Evangeline Lilly, who stars as the Wasp in Marvels upcoming "Ant-Man and the Wasp," revealed that she flayed the skin off both of her forearms during a stunt that went wrong several years ago on the set of "Lost." "There were open wounds, pus-y and oozing," she said during a panel discussion Wednesday night on the Fox lot about women in the stunt business. "I looked like a mutant. My mom said, Youll never be able to wear an evening gown again!"
Lilly also made it clear that the accident was no accident, accusing an unnamed stunt coordinator — who she described as misogynistic — of punishing her for defying his wish to have a stuntwoman do the stunt. It involved rolling off a thick tree branch high above the ground and hanging on for dear life, though there was no risk of falling because she was safely harnessed to the branch.
Lilly said she asked to have moleskin a light fabric used to prevent abrasions wrapped around her forearms, but the coordinator said no. "Theyll see it," he said, though she was sure it wouldnt show on screen. So she did the stunt bare-armed over and over and over again. And each time the rough bark ripped off more of her skin. And after each take, New Skin, a liquid-bandage brand, was painfully applied to the wounds, and then the coordinator would send her back up the tree to do it again and again and again, each time more painful than the last.
"I felt it was him saying, 'Im going to put you in your place for standing up to me,'" she said. "It was either cow to his power or hurt myself. I was in my 20s then. Now, I would probably back down."
Injuries are part of the job, though rarely are they intentional. A more common complaint by stuntwomen is the discrimination they face on the job or not getting jobs at all.
Lilly was joined onstage by Ingrid Kleinig, her "Ant-Man and the Wasp" stunt double, and by three other stuntwomen, who among them have more than 75 years of stunt experience. They've rolled cars, fallen 80 feet through fire, rappelled down buildings and worked on some of the biggest action films produced in recent years.
'There were open wounds, pus-y and oozing. I looked like a mutant'
But Deven MacNair said her most risky move has been speaking out against wigging, the age-old practice of stuntmen donning wigs and women's clothes to double for actresses. And she's done more than just complain she alerted her union and filed an EEOC complaint. She was accompanied to the event by her attorney, Brenda Feigen, who's trying to get more stuntwomen to come forward to file a class-action lawsuit.
"That was my greatest stunt," MacNair told the audience, noting that speaking out has hurt her career. "Wigging," she said, "robs us of our pension and health, robs us of the experience we need to get the next job." Then she pointed in the audience to veteran stuntwoman Julie Johnson, who MacNair said has been fighting this since the 1970s.
"There are qualified people of every ethnic group and gender," said "Black Panther" stuntwoman Janeshia Adams-Ginyard. "Wigging should not be taking place."
Added veteran stuntwoman Sharon Shaffer: "It's our right to do a job that was created for us. Its inexcusable and wrong. Every time you lose a job, you didnt get the opportunity to grow into the woman you were meant to be."
Director Althea Jones, who moderated the panel with insightful and probing questions, said she was surprised to learn how prevalent the fear of blacklisting is among stuntwomen who might consider speaking out against discrimination.
"I've been blackballed so many times for speaking up," said Shaffer, who has long been one of the leading voices against paint downs, the practice of applying dark makeup to white stunt performers to allow them to double for black actors.
"Its blackface, but they call it paint down," MacNair said.
"It's going on every week," Shaffer said. "It's the return of the minstrel-era blackface. The rightful owner of that job didn't get it, or didnt even get a phone call."
Adams-Ginyard, who like Shaffer is African-American, said that painted-down stuntmen are clearly visible to everyone on the set. "How many guys did this guy pass and not a single person said a word? Hair, makeup, wardrobe nobody said a word. Theres the problem. So many people dont want to make waves, but when you are silent, you are profiting the guilty. We have to be leaders. We cant be followers. Lets talk about the change that needs to happen."
Shaffer agreed, saying, "If you see something, say something.”
Another common complaint is that the vast majority of non-descript stunt jobs those that do not involve doubling for a specific actor or actress go to white stuntmen. Adams-Ginyard said that shes only had three non-descript jobs in the eight years that shes been doing stunts. "Coordinators only see her as a black stunt double," MacNair said, as Adams-Ginyard nodded.
Kleinig, however, said that shes been on several films recently in which the coordinators have made a conscious effort to cast non-descript stunts 50-50 among men and women. She also said she's never witnessed wigging.
And then theres the problem of coordinators giving stunt jobs to their unqualified girlfriends, something Lilly said shes seen firsthand. "A stuntwoman whose breasts are four-times bigger than mine was hired once as my double. Her name was Cindy, and she said she'd never done stunts before. And I wondered: How did this happen?"
All in all, it was a conversation thats long been overdue. Standing in line outside the theater waiting to get in, a woman asked another: "Have you been to many events like this before?"
The reply? There's never been an event like this before.
The event was sponsored by Film Fatales, Women@21CF, and Fox Vets.
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