Why new revelations in email scandal are threat to Clinton

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," July 24, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Eric Bolling and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

Did Hillary Clinton send confidential information through her private e- mail account while she was secretary of state? Well, she denies it.


HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER UNITED STATES SECRETARY OF STATE: I did not e-mail any classified material to anyone on my e-mail. There is no classified material.


PERINO: But an internal government review found that Clinton did send classified material in at least four e-mails from her personal server, and there could be many more. The discovery was determined through an inspection of only 40 e-mails out of more than 30,000 by the office of the inspector general of the Intelligence Community. Clinton addressed this issue earlier.


CLINTON: I want to say a word about what's in the news today, and it's because there have been a lot of inaccuracies. Maybe the heat is getting to everybody. I have said repeatedly, that I will answer questions before the House committee. We are all accountable to the American people to get the facts right. And I will do my part.


PERINO: Here's some of the commentary on the revelations today.


CHUCK TODD, MEET THE PRESS SHOW HOST: I think they blew it when they didn't turn over the server immediately. I think they lost any high ground they could have had.

MICHAELA PEREIRA, NEW DAY SHOW CO-HOST: It's pretty damning. I have to imagine politically, for a presidential candidate.

(UNIDENTIFIED MALE): This was a dumb thing for her to have done. And it feeds into a kind of narrative that she can't quite be trusted.

TODD: I don't know if there's anything they can do now to get out in front of it. I think now they just got to hope nothing is found.


PERINO: And we've got Ed Henry here now with us. He's going to help us.


PERINO: Break it down.


PERINO: Very delighted to have you.

HENRY: I'm glad -- I think four people here are delighted and Greg Gutfeld is being -- well, Greg Gutfeld.

PERINO: Does that include you?

HENRY: I don't feel he like -- no, I like -- well, OK, five like being here including me.


HENRY: But I'm like the sixth Beatle.


GUTFELD: Yes. No, you're the sixth monkey.

HENRY: Oh, monkey.



PERINO: You should buy a monkey.

HENRY: I take offense of that.

PERINO: All right. You got to help us out because the story is a little confusing, you even been tracking it.


PERINO: So explain.

HENRY: I think the bottom line is, the Clinton campaign is jumping on the fact that the New York Times sort of, perhaps, overplayed this a little bit of work.

PERINO: Take us back because last night, the New York Times reveals the story.

HENRY: So late last night, it breaks that they're saying, that there was a criminal referral by two different independent generals -- independent umpires in the federal government who looked at this, that there may be hundreds of classified e-mails in Hillary Clinton's private server. Those are the facts. Then the Times said that they referred that matter, those inspectors general, to the Justice Department and it was a criminal referral. They've now dialed that back to say it was just a quote unquote, "Referral." And the Intelligence Community, in fairness to the Clinton campaign is saying, it was not a criminal referral, it was a security referral. But A, that security referral is bad for the Clinton campaign because what they're saying is, there is classified information according to the Intelligence Community, not according to republicans on the Hill or any critics on the private server that Hillary Clinton has had for some time. And on a thumbnail, that we believe that is in the possession of her attorney, David Kendall. So that's interesting. She repeatedly said she didn't have classified information, so you have that. And secondly, even though it's technically not a criminal referral today perhaps, ask David Petraeus what happens when the Justice Department or someone else, looks at whether or not you mishandled classified information. My point being, I'm not indicting anybody today, I'm saying, federal government starts looking at this kind of thing. It could, I underline could, lead to a criminal investigation. When -- but we're not there today, and I think the Clinton campaign is jumping on, the Times going a little too far in not addressing the substance of. Presidential candidate said, I didn't have classified information on that server, the Intelligence Community is saying, yes, you did.

PERINO: Yeah, so the inspectors general are -- as you say they're umpires.

HENRY: Independent umpires.

PERINO: Right, OK. Eric, do you have a question?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: No, I -- so can we just take this. So there are -- there were referrals, the IG Officer Andrea Williams says that there are originally.

HENRY: For the Intelligence Community.

BOLLING: For the Intelligence Community.

HENRY: Yeah.

BOLLING: They're originally criminal referrals and they dialed them back very quickly, right?

HENRY: And we don't know why.

BOLLING: Do we --

HENRY: Was it pressure, was it.

BOLLING: And this is what I'm getting at.

HENRY: Yeah.

BOLLING: How would they know yet whether they're criminal or not yet? Wouldn't it take a longer period of Time? So they turned it over to the DOJ and the FBI. That's a very quick come back saying, it's noncriminal it still might be.

HENRY: When we simply don't know. I mean I think the very bottom line there is, we shouldn't let, you know, jump ahead of ourselves, and nobody should. The folks investigating it or people in the media, we should let - we should follow the facts. However, you don't want to follow the facts?

GUTFELD: I want to jump ahead.

HENRY: You want to jump ahead.

GUTFELD: Why follow the facts?

HENRY: The point is the Clinton camp hasn't been that helpful with the facts. And the server is not going to be turned over.

GUTFELD: Well she should.

HENRY: Unless there's a subpoena, there's something, you know, they're not going.

GUTFELD: She should have followed Bill's example and turn over the server immediately.

HENRY: Why would you do that? Why.

GUTFELD: Look. Can we talk about the Times change? Can we talk about the --

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: No. Stay away from the day, please.


HENRY: I think I know where he's going.


GUTFELD: The original sentence in the Times article was, there was a criminal inquiry into Hillary's use of e-mail.

HENRY: Right.

GUTFELD: Then after the connection with Hillary it became a criminal inquiry sought in Clinton's e-mail account, so basically.

HENRY: Right.

GUTFELD: They just rearranged eggs in a carton.

HENRY: Right and.

GUTFELD: It is the same thing.

HENRY: Right.

GUTFELD: She's still saying.

HENRY: Right.

GUTFELD: It's breaking the law.

HENRY: I think you're making a very important point in all seriousness, which is that -- which is rare for you. But I think that, seriously.

PERINO: There, there you go.

HENRY: That.

GUTFELD: That was mean.

HENRY: That -- what the Clinton campaign was trying to say last night and jump on, was that the way it was phrase by the Times. It made it seem like Hillary Clinton was a criminal target.

PERINO: And which.

HENRY: It didn't have that (inaudible).

PERINO: Can I show you Michael Schmidt who's the reporter -- New York Times actually have a sound from him.

HENRY: Yeah, sure.

PERINO: About that today.


MICHAEL SCHMIDT, NEW YORK TIMES REPORTER: We made a minor change to this story shortly after it went online that said that the investigation was in connection with her e-mail use, that that's where the investigation sort of generated and started from. It didn't really deviate our story much from where we were before. And it was in response to some complaints to be received from the Clinton camp.


HENRY: So real quick. What I think what Greg's important point was, OK. So if you change the lead of the story and say, they're not looking at Hillary Clinton's use of the e-mail, they're looking at the e-mail account, where there is -- that's still Hillary Clinton's e-mail account. I think your point is.


HENRY: That you can rearrange the names and change the part of the sentence, but at the end of the day, this is about her e-mail, this is about her credibility, this is about what she said at that March news conference.

PERINO: So it's gonna be quite a bit --


PERINO: Oh, I'm sorry.

BOLLING: Just very quickly. So there is confidential, classified information.

HENRY: In at least four e-mails and maybe hundreds others.

BOLLING: And that would be.

HENRY: Those are the facts.

BOLLING: That would be problematic for her.

HENRY: That would.

BOLLING: That would show her as having lied to the public, saying that there was nothing classified.

HENRY: It would be the opposite of what she said at the March news conference at the U.N.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: No, no, no. Gentlemen, you know I -- I know that the love fest is here because you guys are so -- you're in heat to get Hillary Clinton, I tell you that.

HENRY: Wait, but are you denying anything.


GUTFELD: Men cannot be in heat.

WILLIAMS: Men are cold. Is that right?

GUILFOYLE: Why do we just go, Animal Planet?


GUILFOYLE: What happened here?

WILLIAMS: They are -- they're just so hot. They're hot here. Look, Kimberly -- but here's the thing.

HENRY: They are not denying that the Intelligence Community said there are at least four e-mails with.

WILLIAMS: No, no, no, they said that. But wait.

HENRY: So that's the fact.

WILLIAMS: Here's -- the key.

PERINO: But who cares?

WILLIAMS: The key of this whole thing and the difference between what the Times said initially, Greg, on what they said that is look -- what they are saying is that there was potentially -- hundreds of potentially classified e-mails on her server, right? But at the time that she was there, none of it was classified.


WILLIAMS: And that's her principal defense.

GUILFOYLE: Secret (ph).

HENRY: No. Actually now Intelligence Community.

WILLIAMS: Go ahead.

HENRY: Is saying something different.


HENRY: They are saying that, at the time.


HENRY: They were classified.


HENRY: The Clinton campaign is previously saying that.

WILLIAMS: It was not marked as classified.

HENRY: They were classified later.

WILLIAMS: Yes. And it was not in March.

HENRY: But in this case, the Intelligence Community, which knows better than I or you.

WILLIAMS: No, no, no.

HENRY: Is saying, it was classified. Now --

GUILFOYLE: Guys, this is in the memo. Let's not like.

HENRY: Right.

GUILFOYLE: Get crazy here because we have Facebook Friday and everything.

PERINO: How about a fact, Kimberly?

GUILFOYLE: These females -- these e-mails were not...

WILLIAMS: These females.

HENRY: These females.

GUILFOYLE: Retroactively classified by the State Department, rather these e-mails contained classified information when they were generated.

WILLIAMS: Correct.

GUILFOYLE: And according to the I.C. classification officials.

WILLIAMS: But they weren't.

GUILFOYLE: That information remains classified today.


GUILFOYLE: They were.

WILLIAMS: But they were not listed -- they were not marked as classified.

PERINO: No, Juan, that is exactly what that just said.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my, gosh.

WILLIAMS: No, it does not.

HENRY: Here's another issue, though.

GUILFOYLE: Do I need to send you like hooked on phonics?

WILLIAMS: Yes, you do.

GUILFOYLE: I don't think (inaudible).

HENRY: Take a step back from all this, though.

GUILFOYLE: What is happening here?

HENRY: And what this is also showing us is, OK. Did Hillary Clinton know it was stamped classified or not? You're right Juan, that there's some ambiguity there.

WILLIAMS: I think so.

HENRY: However, if she had not been using a private server.

WILLIAMS: Well, that's the point.

HENRY: If she had not --

WILLIAMS: I agree about that.

HENRY: You'll be not talking about it.

WILLIAMS: That's fine.

GUTFELD: How about.

WILLIAMS: In fact.

HENRY: So why didn't she use the State Department account?

WILLIAMS: Right. That's the whole thing about this. This is where Hillary Clinton is her own worst enemy. I mean, and acting as if she's this entitled, you know, I'll make my own rules. And -- but the question -- the key point here is, this could up end the entire campaign if you take down the big Kahuna. You know what I mean?

BOLLING: Can we point something else out?

WILLIAMS: But I don't think it's going to do it.

BOLLING: So, Ed. Am I right in saying that there were four that were found to have contained classified information?

PERINO: Four at 40.

HENRY: Out of a small numbers too.

BOLLING: Out of all many.

PERINO: Yeah. Only four of 40.

HENRY: Right.

PERINO: Statistically.

BOLLING: Out of 40.

HENRY: Right.

BOLLING: And so, if there are.

HENRY: Right.

PERINO: That's 30,000.

BOLLING: 30,000.

HENRY: That's a good question.

BOLLING: That are on the server, I don't know, let's even cut that number in half.

HENRY: You're right. This press release.

BOLLING: Five percent -- you're talking -- I don't know.

HENRY: That's why.

BOLLING: Hundreds of e-mails.

HENRY: These inspectors general said they believe there's hundreds.


HENRY: Because it was four out of 40, a sample. And they said -- and Secretary Clinton turned over 30,000.

GUTFELD: Do you know what's amazing, though? How much does Hillary hate like modern conveniences? She doesn't drive. She can't handle e-mail. She blamed the video for terror. She'd give anything to live in the era of The Waltons, but still have a driver. You know what is driving her crazy? Is that an e-mail.

GUILFOYLE: Driving Miss Daisy.

GUTFELD: This whole scandal will not go away. It has more legs than a centipede and they keep digging in. Even during the Trump rise, they thought that during that, people would forget about this. But it's now coming back. And I think it's something that is not gonna go away. And that it will, as Juan agrees, it will be her downfall.

WILLIAMS: Well, I think it potentially either down because you know what, I think, why doesn't she get ahead of the foundation? I don't understand.


WILLIAMS: Why they still taking contributions to the foundation? And the second thing is what the server, why didn't she just turn it over and just say I'm done with it.

HENRY: Because the republicans would go through the entire server.

PERINO: Why and why.

WILLIAMS: But let her.

HENRY: And find all kinds of things.

PERINO: Kimberly, what do you think is the -- let's talk a little bit about the inspectors general because these -- as Ed was pointing out, these are not partisan people. They are career civil servants with a lot of experience.


PERINO: Who are saying like we've been asked to look at this and this is our report.

GUILFOYLE: So it lends.

PERINO: Nothing more than that.

GUILFOYLE: More credibility. This isn't somebody like a partisan, which hunt.

HENRY: That's what's dangerous for them which are.


HENRY: That is not derealizing (ph) when a.

GUILFOYLE: No. It isn't.

HENRY: Oh, derealize (ph) doing this again.

GUILFOYLE: It's not a subcommittee.

HENRY: And that was (inaudible).

GUILFOYLE: Or somebody saying, oh look, we're jouncing for the Clintons who want to knock off, you know, the big fish. That's not what's happening here. And if you at, it just do the math, statistically speaking you have four out of 40. And if you apply that math, Bolling, you love math.

BOLLING: 15 hundred (ph).

GUILFOYLE: Right. So there is some nexus and some meat here. And why should she be treated any differently than say, General Petraeus or anyone else? My God, she's running for president of the United States.

HENRY: Right.

PERINO: Or any career civil servants.


PERINO: Or a political appointee who is giving a clearance.

WILLIAMS: But that's why I say I think she has some entitled behavior. Now let me just say it. Let me advance this. I think the story now becomes, so how does the Obama Justice Department deal with this a request for a criminal investigation of a likely democratic -- that's what I think.

PERINO: I would put career civil servants in charge of looking at it.

WILLIAMS: Well, I just think, you know what I -- first of all.

PERINO: I would.

WILLIAMS: I disagree with my honored colleagues here that I.

PERINO: About what?

WILLIAMS: I don't think. I think that she -- there was nothing marked classified and they would simply say.

PERINO: But that's -- OK, I just --

WILLIAMS: It's not classified.

PERINO: But Juan, can you like on --

WILLIAMS: And when I handle it.

PERINO: You have to read it.

WILLIAMS: I didn't know it was classified.

GUILFOYLE: Juan, we have it here.

PERINO: Because it's a statement from the I.G.

WILLIAMS: Yeah. That's not what they're saying.

GUILFOYLE: No, you only.

WILLIAMS: I read it differently.

GUILFOYLE: You only highlighted the part that you like.

GUTFELD: That's it.

WILLIAMS: Oh yeah, that's it.


WILLIAMS: That's it. Oh yeah, gee.


GUILFOYLE: This is Juan Williams.


WILLIAMS: No, no, no.


PERINO: Say I have a question, Ed.

HENRY: Yeah.

PERINO: Because you were a reporter in the White House briefing room when.


PERINO: I had a chance to work at the White House, too. Do you think for one second, that if I had a complaint about the lead of the New York Times story and I called and complained that the New York Times would have fallen over themselves to change it?

HENRY: Not sure they would have.

PERINO: Right.

GUILFOYLE: They would have put you on speaker phone and laughed one like, well, call me later.


WILLIAMS: By the way, who do you think leaked this story to the New York Times?

PERINO: I think that the inspectors general were coming out with it.

WILLIAMS: No, no. I think it went through the committee on the Hill, run by republicans and to the New York Times.

PERINO: Oh, I hope so because that.

WILLIAMS: There you go.



HENRY: And you get the politics out of here, you're gonna see people start calling for an independent counsel. To your point about, how could the Obama Justice Department investigate this involving Hillary Clinton.


PERINO: I don't think they need an independent counsel. There are plenty of career civil servants that are at the Justice Department who could do this.

BOLLING: Why - and maybe either one of you will (inaudible) this -- why is she allowed? Why is David Kendall, her attorney allowed to hold the thumb drive that may have the classified information on it?

HENRY: That's a good question and also, when Hillary Clinton remembered, she's turned over 30,000 to the State Department. There were over 30,000 by her account that she.

PERINO: Deleted.

HENRY: Had deleted. Where the attorneys and staffers for her, who went through that deletion process.

BOLLING: Deleting the classifieds.

HENRY: Do they have security clearances? When they went through and said, this is personal, this is official. Did those staffers have security clearances?

WILLIAMS: We don't know.

HENRY: They might have seen classified information.

PERINO: Before we go, do you have an insult for Ed Henry?

HENRY: I think it's a pretty insult free, so here you go.

GUTFELD: No, no. He looks good. Tie is nice.

BOLLING: He left his phone on.

GUILFOYLE: Pocket is fair.

GUTFELD: I know. That was that stupid?

PERINO: Is your phone on?


GUTFELD: One thing we didn't touch on is that, beyond this e-mail thing, her poll numbers are down. Likability is down. She's looking weaker and weaker. She's like a Triscuit. You know you look at Triscuit, you think they might be good and you try them and they're dry and flavorless.


GUTFELD: She's the Triscuit of the Democratic Party.

PERINO: but did you try the new one?

GUTFELD: No. the Triscuits that there is.

GUILFOYLE: Like you got to squeeze like some cheese whiz on top.


GUILFOYLE: Quite delicious.

GUTFELD: You people -- oh, we gonna put cheese whiz on Hillary? Is that what you are saying?

WILLIAMS: Oh, oh, oh.

GUILFOYLE: Like she's better.

HENRY: Wait a second, it's true.

GUILFOYLE: Like she's better.


PERINO: All right. Ed, thank you so much.

HENRY: Thank you.

PERINO: Our political correctness corner is next. And later, Facebook Friday, Greg's favorite easy walk segment.


PERINO: We got an envelope filled.


PERINO: With your questions that we're really looking forward to answering. Stay tuned.

GUILFOYLE: I just laugh.


GUILFOYLE: After Hillary Clinton got thrashed, last month, by the left for saying all lives matter, she changed course yesterday and made a concerted effort to appeal to the black lives movement.


CLINTON: For a lot of well-meaning, open-minded white people, the sight of a young black man in a hoody still evokes a twinge of fear. And we can start by standing up and saying loudly and clearly, yes, black lives matter.


GUILFOYLE: Her democratic challenger Martin O'Malley felt pressured to walk back his remarks as well.


MARTIN O'MALLEY, 2016 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Black lives matter. White lives matter. All lives matter.


O'MALLEY: That was a mistake on my part. And I meant no disrespect.


GUILFOYLE: Jeb Bush is astounded by the apology.


JEB BUSH, 2016 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We're still uptight and so politically correct. Now you apologize for saying lives matter? Life is precious. It's a gift from God. I start -- I mean, I frankly think that it's one of the most important values that we have. I know in the political context, the -- it's a slogan, I guess and should he have apologized, no.


GUILFOYLE: OK, so being bold coming out and saying this was not appropriate, right? I mean, do you think it was the right move? We'll begin with you, Juan.

WILLIAMS: Do I think it was the right move for Jeb? Or for.


WILLIAMS: Oh, yes.

GUILFOYLE: To say that Martin O'Malley was not.


WILLIAMS: Look, the politics of this is so intriguing. But look, the fact - - the simple fact of the matter is that the far left black movement that said that has the black lives hashtag me, look, they are missing it big time because they are sacrificing the highly moral ground, which is to say, we're trying to tell you that all lives matter and we want black lives included in that. Instead, they're locked into their own rhetoric and the rhetoric is this, Kimberly, that if you say black lives matter, it's about the Trayvon Martin's and what happened to Eric Garner here in New York and that kind of thing. And if you say white lives matters then you are somehow, you know, dismissing the power of their moment and their movement, and you are diluting their cause, and I think they are being foolish. And so Jeb now, that was really -- I just thaw masterful politically. He says it's about lives matter, sounds like he's talking about abortion there. I mean, he's not.

PERINO: Can I ask you something, though, Juan? Because that -- it's not just Twitter, like, it's the movement on the far left. It's actually real and growing.


PERINO: And I think that Hillary and O'Malley are responding to -- its actual pressure.

WILLIAMS: Or that was a doubt.

PERINO: That I don't think is gonna stop.

WILLIAMS: No doubt. It's growing -- this is what is you saw at the net groups conference this weekend. Hillary wasn't there, but O'Malley was there and San --

PERINO: Sanders.

WILLIAMS: Bernie Sanders was there. And what you saw was, they interrupted, they wouldn't even let him speak.


WILLIAMS: Because they are now driving. So you guys have to deal with the far right, but we watch the democrats. They're dealing with a far left that's just as wacky, in my opinion, and again, damaging the brand. I mean they say oh, the black vote is not to be taken for granted. Oh, yeah? Are you running over to go join Donald Trump's campaign? Get lost.

GUTFELD: But you know, this is the snake eating its tail. If you live by separatist identity politics, you're going to die by separatist identity politics.


GUTFELD: And that's what you're seeing. You also saw that O'Malley is definitely not presidential material, unless if he's of a Harry Potter fan club. He folded faster than a card table in the wind -- pathetic, just a pathetic performance by a sad human being, Juan.

GUILFOYLE: Boo. OK, Bolling, what do you say?

BOLLING: And so this is Friday, right? And now we're talking about this. And Martin O'Malley said, did mention this on Sunglass Sunday, right?

WILLIAMS: Right, right, right.

BOLLING: Five days later, because of the big Trump announcement, the big Trump hoopla that the media that's been following Donald Trump around everywhere, this was something we started to talk about on Monday.

GUTFELD: But you love talking about Trump.

BOLLING: No, no, I do.

GUTFELD: That's what's you talked about.

BOLLING: But I think we could -- we needed to talk about this more. I would love to have done this more, but I'm glad we're doing it now. I'm glad Jeb Bush stood up and said, he's wrong, he shouldn't have apologized. Juan, is that going to hurt Jeb Bush with the black vote because he said Martin O'Malley and Hillary Clinton shouldn't apologize?


WILLIAMS: That's my point to you. He's not going to get the far left black vote. Forget about it. I mean, Jeb Bush is not. But I think Jeb helped himself with people and I think in the larger American community, he said all lives matter. Of course, we don't want anybody's life at stake. And he seemed to tie it into life in general and the abortion issue.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, so what you're saying is he handled it well. We'll move on now.

WILLIAMS: I do. I think that.

GUILFOYLE: Now to another P.C. issue, our administration still refuses to identify terrorists who wage jihad as Islamic. Here's our Homeland Security secretary.


JEH JOHNSON, HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY: ISIL, I think, would like to be referred to as Islamic extremism because it therefore concedes that what they are saying, and I think it's critical that in order to build our relationship and build our level of cooperation with the Islamic community here, we have to say to them, look, we understand that what this depraved terrorist organization is doing is no part of your religion.


GUILFOYLE: OK, Greg was a big fan of that so we'll pass.


GUILFOYLE: Dana, so what do you make if you can interpret.?

PERINO: It's something that President Obama can campaigned on it when he came into office, they really wanted to decouple what they thought was too aggressive a stance in the global war on terror and it was focused too much on Islam itself. I actually think that David Cameron, the prime minister of the United Kingdom, when he actually spoke this week about ISIS and about Islamic terror. It was strong and bold. And I think if our allies are going to be willing to call it what it is, we should be able to do the same.

GUILFOYLE: Because the world is listening and looking and evaluating. We see the juxtaposition of leadership and language. Strong rhetoric against terror like you see with Cameron, and then you see our administration and Jeh Johnson who didn't even know who Steinle was -- shocking at the time of the press conference. What do you think?

BOLLING: I think Dana's right. So the president has -- he's dictated the memo saying, we don't want to call it Islamic terror, we don't want to call it radical Islam, he doesn't want to link the two together. Anywhere, Jeh Johnson works for the president. Unfortunately, he was supposed to work for us, too. He's the one who's supposed to keep us safe, Secretary of Homeland Security. If you can't even call it what it is, I think we're really in trouble. The president may not want to call it that and that's fine. But when the guy who's charged with keeping us safe can't even.


BOLLING: Recognize it, how is he going to fight it?

GUILFOYLE: There's something about this guy.

WILLIAMS: Hey, come on. We got.

GUILFOYLE: That does not make me feel safe. He makes me feel like getting in bed with a little flashlight under the covers.





WILLIAMS: Hey, hey, you are not allowed.

GUTFELD: But -- OK. You said this before this is ABIS, anything but Islam syndrome which has infected the White House. But it's weird when it comes to over kinds of behavior, other kinds of crime, then its ABPR, anything but personal responsibility syndrome. And that's it's anything but personal responsibility syndrome. And that's usually when there if it's an Islamic attack that's an aberration, but if it's a violent cop, then it indicts a whole system.

WILLIAMS: Look, look, look, wait a second.

GUILFOYLE: Are there pills for all that?

WILLIAMS: You know what I think.


WILLIAMS: I don't like this kind of P.C. language. And I think, remember, these are the guys who talked about manmade disasters for acts of terrorism.


WILLIAMS: Perpetuated by Islamic terrorists, right?


WILLIAMS: But what Johnson said was, we're trying to build bridges to the Islamic community in the United States, and we don't want to indict them or make them feel that we're saying that all of Islam is a problem. To me, that's politically real.

GUTFELD: And meanwhile, radical Islamists are trying to blow up those bridges like the Brooklyn Bridge.

WILLIAMS: Well, I mean, look. Look, there's a guy doing shooting yesterday. Where was that? Shooting -- later shooting down in Louisiana. Are we talking about him in terms of mental illness Christianity? No.

GUTFELD: Yes, we did, actually.

WILLIAMS: Oh, yeah.

GUTFELD: We talk about mental illness.

WILLIAMS: Oh, yes.

GUTFELD: Many times.

WILLIAMS: We haven't even talked about him on this show, have we?

GUTFELD: No, but we've talked about shooters and mental illness.



GUTFELD: And we will be talking about it.

WILLIAMS: No, no, but I'm saying if he had been a Muslim, boy what we have gone.

GUTFELD: Talked about Charleston.

PERINO: That was last week.


GUTFELD: We talked about all the shooters.

GUILFOYLE: All right.

GUTFELD: We get around to it, Juan.

GUILFOYLE: So let's concur and agree that J.J. needs to step it up a notch.

PERINO: Agree.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my, gosh.

WILLIAMS: If you want to get in bed with the flashlight.


GUILFOYLE: He's not invited. He's making me scared.

All right, still to come, Facebook Friday, hard-hitting segment. But the Fastest 7 is up next.


GUILFOYLE: That it features Leo DiCaprio, Taylor Swift, Nicki Minaj and Hulk Hogan.


GUILFOYLE: A celebrity menagerie you don't want to miss.


BOLLING: Welcome back. Time for --


BOLLING: All righty. The fastest seven minutes on television -- three compelling stories, seven concise minutes, one convictive host. All right?

First up, Leonardo DiCaprio is an environmentalist. Remember this?


LEONARDO DICAPRIO, ACTOR: I've always been amazed by this world we live in and how destructive we are to it. A parallel passion of mine is trying to bring attention to some incredibly important issues. More than anything, I would really love to get a lot of the wealthiest people on earth to focus on these issues.


BOLLING: Nothing screams environmental consciousness like private jets flocking to San Tropez affair build as the biggest environmental fundraiser ever, raising $40 million with throttles, bottles and models.

And Juan tells me you wanted to be I invited to that.

WILLIAMS: Man, I know you wanted to go, too.

The only person at this table who would be invited is you.

GUILFOYLE: I did get invited. My friend Susan went.

Obviously, I'm here, which is far more exciting.

WILLIAMS: Because you're sitting next to me?

Anyway, you know what I was interested in? So, Leonardo DiCaprio did allow a bid on his own watch, his Rolex Daytona, which is a high class Rolex. He got 2 million bucks for his watch off his wrist. That was amazing.

BOLLING: That is pretty good. Elton John auctioned off a private concert as well, 3 million bucks for that.

GUTFELD: Yes, we're going to have it at my place.

I don't care what anybody says about Leo, he is a hero. He only dates super thin models because they produce less methane.


GUTFELD: The cocaine at his party reduces appetites. So, they rely less on consuming foods that harm the environment. And really the orgies is no different than car pooling.



GUTFELD: Yes, everybody sharing a bed.

BOLLING: Gotcha.

Dana, you want to follow that?



GUILFOYLE: As she looks down. Sure.

PERINO: It's like these are progressive dinner parties without much progress. So, I don't know exactly where the $2 million for the Rolex goes. Presumably, it's to raise awareness about climate change, as if we were not enough aware.

BOLLING: Very good. Can we move on?


BOLLING: All right. Next up, rest easy, America. The Nicki Minaj-Taylor Swift spat seems to have been resolved. Team Minaj and the Swifties are all good now.


NICK MINAJ, SINGER: I spoke to Taylor Swift yesterday on the phone. She was, you know, super, super sweet. She apologized.

She said, look, I didn't understand the big picture of what you were saying. But now I get it. So, we're all good. We were cracking up laughing on the phone. It's over, you guys. And I love you guys for supporting me.


MINAJ: Thank you so much.


BOLLING: All right, Craig. The planet can now continue to rotate.

GUTFELD: I can't stress this enough. This is like a combination of the moon landing, the creation of the euro, combined with electing the first black president ever. This makes the Iran-U.S. nuke deal look like peanuts.

I -- do you guys know where you were when you first heard this news? Where were you, Dana?

BOLLING: She's right here.


GUTFELD: I was in a hot tub with Lou Dobbs.


GUILFOYLE: I believe you were here at this table.

GUTFELD: No, I wasn't.

PERINO: So their fans don't want them to fight.


PERINO: Their fans don't want them to fight. Now everybody has made up.

WILLIAMS: It takes the life and energy --

GUILFOYLE: Right? Bobbing for dogs?

BOLLING: Hey, no, no, don't go there.


BOLLING: Stay here for a second.

GUILFOYLE: When you say hot tub, that's it.

BOLLING: Misunderstood a tweet that Nicki Minaj put up but they're all good now.

GUILFOYLE: OK. There's miscommunication.

PERINO: I don't see how there was a miscommunication. I mean, it's pretty clear in 140 characters what she originally meant.

WILLIAMS: She was jealous.


PERINO: You misunderstood me.

WILLIAMS: You know what happened? They hired Dana Perino and it became body image. Is Nicki Minaj upset because thick black women are not allowed to get in the VMAs but skinny white women --

PERINO: That's how you would describe her?

GUILFOYLE: She's not thick.

WILLIAMS: Look, I'm saying she's thicker than Taylor Swift, right?

BOLLING: That we can --

GUILFOYLE: Say I'm sorry.

WILLIAMS: I'm sorry.

BOLLING: Hulk Hogan dropped from all things WWE. Aging wrestler is under scrutiny for a radio interview he gave in 2012 in which he used the "N" word several times.


HULK HOGAN: Everybody down there, Lil Wayne, Birdman, everybody, they're all calling me (EXPLETIVE DELETED). And then I started saying it. I always said it, but now all of a sudden I get heat when I say it. They say, "Hogan, you can't say it," so I say, "Why can they say it to me then?"


BOLLING: Now, K.G., I think there's other tapes that he's been caught using the "N" word as well.

GUILFOYLE: Look, this is very inappropriate. There's no excuse for it. It's a problem. I don't know. I mean, listen, I don't know the man. That's all I'm going to say.

GUTFELD: One of the few.


GUTFELD: Because she hangs out with celebrities.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, oh, right. OK.

GUTFELD: I have an idea.

GUILFOYLE: You know what's going to happen to you.

GUTFELD: I know. I'm looking forward to it.

A megastar -- what about a megastar apology-looza where he and Cosby get together do, an apology tour. You got Jared from Subway doing the catering. Maybe Paula Deen could help. Mel Gibson --

PERINO: But Jared from Subway is possibly criminal.

GUTFELD: Yes, that's true. Michael Richards, he could play Atticus Finch. I think we have enough --

PERINO: In the "To Kill of Mockingbird" or the new book?

GUTFELD: The new book.

GUILFOYLE: Interesting.

GUTFELD: New book, of course.

BOLLING: Hasn't Ventura apologized for anything lately? Jessa the body?

GUTFELD: Just stay here.

BOLLING: Dana, do you want to weigh in on the Hulk?

PERINO: Juan makes good points and persuasive points. I follow his lead on the "N" word. But remember it was only about three weeks ago when President Obama used the word for dramatic effect on a radio interview.

GUTFELD: But Hulk actually, there's a lot more.

PERINO: We're not that close.

WILLIAMS: No, no. But look, first of all. Thank you, Dana. I just think stop it the use of this word. This is an example, because the radio host was giving him permission to use the word. And he's talking about what's going on with another wrestler whose name I forget, a black wrestler.

GUTFELD: But he was talking about his daughter.

BOLLING: These are two, right.

GUTFELD: These are two different things.

BOLLING: So, this is a radio interview from 2012. Apparently allegedly a sex tape with Hulk Hogan in it --


BOLLING: -- at the end of this tape he may have dropped the "N" word a few times.

GUTFELD: He was talking about his daughter dating a black guy.

WILLIAMS: He doesn't even know. He thinks a black billionaire is going to fund her record career and he has been putting money into it. Then he says he wonders if she's having sex with the black man.

PERINO: OK. Well, this is a great topic for THE FIVE.

BOLLING: All right. We've got to go.

It's time to go.


BOLLING: Stay right there. Facebook Friday coming up.

GUILFOYLE: What is happening here?


GUTFELD: Yes, it's really a sunshine day, America.

Facebook Friday is the greatest thing on the greatest day ever.

All right. Kimberly, we're going around the horn here. I'm going to you first. From Dan S, where do you leave the key outside of your front door office?


GUTFELD: No. "What talent or skill do you wish you had but don't have now?"

GUILFOYLE: OK. So, sometimes you have to make it up, I guess.


GUILFOYLE: OK. So, I'll pretend, right?

GUTFELD: You're good at lying.

GUILFOYLE: Honest to God, everything they want to be good at I'm good at. I don't want to jump out of an airplane so I don't want to be good at that! I really don't want to go scuba diving and be killed like everyone tries to do to people on honeymoons. Don't care, you're not good at that.


GUTFELD: You're good at choosing the things you like to do.

GUILFOYLE: I think that's true, and then just like fully getting on target with it. I would prefer if I was even better at math. I mean, I'm pretty good. But not --

PERINO: You don't need it. You got calculator.

GUTFELD: All right. Juan, talent, skill you wish you had?

WILLIAMS: It was like the fantastic four?


WILLIAMS: I could fire on, on fire? On fire.

GUTFELD: You want to be on fire?

WILLIAMS: Or fast. How about fast, right? Who was a guy who was really fast, Greg?

GUTFELD: Gee whiz.

WILLIAMS: I don't know, Flash. Flash.

GUTFELD: Usain Bolt?

WILLIAMS: Usain Bolt, no, it was Eric Bolling. Flash.

GUTFELD: All right.


WILLIAMS: I don't know.

GUTFELD: (INAUDIBLE) in a weird way, Eric.

GUILFOYLE: Mandarin.

GUTFELD: Mandarin Chinese.

BOLLING: That's exactly what I was going to say. I would love to have a third -- I speak semi-fluent in Spanish. I would love a third language. It definitely would be Chinese mandarin.

GUILFOYLE: I need to know what they're up to.


PERINO: I would love to learn to play tennis. I tried to take lessons after I left the White House. I was terrible. No one could ever play with me. And I have other reasons to want to play tennis.

GUTFELD: Tennis and bowling are sports that look like you should be good at it until you do it. You go that looks easy then it never is.

PERINO: You and I could never play.

GUILFOYLE: You guys have played together. You're a perfect little match. Same size. Don't have to worry about hitting the ball over each other's head.

GUTFELD: We could actually play on a ping pong table.


GUTFELD: My skill --

GUILFOYLE: That's your idea of the U.S. Open.

GUTFELD: I wish I could reach for things. I can't -- when I go to the supermarket --

PERINO: Reaching out on the shelf.

GUTFELD: Yes, that's a tough thing.

PERINO: That's not a talent.

GUTFELD: It is for me.

PERINO: That's a physical flaw.

GUTFELD: Enough, Dana. Let's move on.

Going this way. What is your favorite thing to do on a lazy Sunday afternoon? I'll bet you're never lazy.

GUILFOYLE: Why don't I get those questions?

BOLLING: Didn't we have this question before?

PERINO: Walking the dog.

GUTFELD: You like walking the dog?

PERINO: Walking the dog and then I read a book.

GUTFELD: That's good. Excellent work there.

BOLLING: I know we did this question. I remember what I said last time like two weeks ago. I said I like to work out. I want to just have four hours of just no one bothering me.

GUTFELD: In the gym?

PERINO: All the tyrants.

GUILFOYLE: We need to make marks on these cards. Like little coded things.

GUTFELD: We didn't get to these.

Juan, what is your favorite thing to do on a Sunday afternoon?

WILLIAMS: You know what I've been doing lately. I have a rich friend. He has a swimming pool. So, I go to his house and I go swimming. Because he's rich, there's really nobody there.

GUILFOYLE: Naked. I knew it. You and Joe Biden.

WILLIAMS: No. In fact this came up, because he likes to swim naked. And my wife came over and my wife -- that was it. My wife flipped out. Like no, that ain't happening.

GUTFELD: Yes, reminds of a story involving "sting" which I'll tell you later during the break. Didn't know he liked to do that.

WILLIAMS: It didn't involve Joe Biden likes to do that.

GUTFELD: Kimberly, favorite thing Sunday afternoon?

GUILFOYLE: Afternoon? Like after 1:00?


PERINO: Vineyards.


PERINO: You go to the vineyards, right? You go to wineries.

GUILFOYLE: Not every week. Occasionally, because I'm a wine club member there. But the point -- OK, I like brunch.

GUTFELD: My favorite thing to do on a Sunday --

GUILFOYLE: I like burgers and Bloody Mary's.

GUTFELD: My favorite thing is to do philanthropy. It's the name of my maid.

Next, next question came from I go to you, Eric. From Lynn, do you have a favorite foreign country?

We've never done that.

BOLLING: No, we haven't done that. I realize it wasn't what's your favorite doing on a lazy Sunday afternoon. It was what your guilty pleasure, which would kind of be the same thing. Sorry, producers.

Do I have a favorite --

GUTFELD: Foreign country?

BOLLING: Spain. Absolutely adored going to Spain.

GUTFELD: Spain is lovely.

GUILFOYLE: No, because they're in my ear. They said yes, they yelled at you. Like no, we didn't do it before.

BOLLING: I know they yelled.

GUTFELD: Juan, favorite foreign country?

WILLIAMS: Oh, Jamaica.


WILLIAMS: Man, you can have a great time in Jamaica. Make you crazy.

GUILFOYLE: You on the beach.

BOLLING: Swimming pools.

WILLIAMS: The ocean, how about the ocean? The ocean is pretty special.

GUILFOYLE: What was that? Favorite vacation place?

GUTFELD: Favorite foreign country, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: It's not Jamaica.

GUTFELD: What is it?

GUILFOYLE: I mean for real life it's like Puerto Rico.

PERINO: That's not a foreign country.

GUILFOYLE: It is to me. I never go further than that.

WILLIAMS: Wait a minute. What is the big difference here? That's not a vacation place?

GUILFOYLE: What, Jamaica?

WILLIAMS: Puerto Rico.

GUILFOYLE: Puerto Rico is.

GUTFELD: Favorite foreign country?

PERINO: To drive everybody in the audience crazy? Mexico.

GUTFELD: There you go. Mexico is nice.

PERINO: I like Scotland. I've got grandchildren, you know, grandkids.

GUTFELD: My favorite foreign country, the United States of America. It is foreign now, Juan. You go outside, we're being overrun.

WILLIAMS: Is that right? I see.

GUTFELD: Yes. I built a panic room in my panic room. In my panic room within the panic room is a little box that I sleep in.

PERINO: I'm going to go with Israel.

GUTFELD: Israel?

PERINO: For the other part of the audience.

GUTFELD: There you go. Wow. Ladies and gentlemen.

All right. A huge deserter Bowe Bergdahl caught in the middle of a police raid. Juan is going to fill us in. And that's a fact of life, America.


WILLIAMS: Bowe Bergdahl is already in trouble. And now, he's just found himself in more trouble. The accused deserter who's awaiting trial was at the site of a drug raid this week. It was on a marijuana farm in northern California. Bergdahl wasn't arrested or involved in the operation. But, man, what a spot for him to get caught up in, kimberly.

GUTFELD: This could be worse than the other spot?

WILLIAMS: Well, no. It compounds.


BOLLING: It's a weed farm. What a traitor.

WILLIAMS: Lead me just say, if you're in big, big trouble you go looking for more? Do you keep digging the hole?

GUILFOYLE: Here's what happened. He planned his defense. He's going to say he didn't know the difference between right and wrong, he was too up in smoke and like high on marijuana and got confused and doesn't really hate America and love terrorists.

WILLIAMS: I don't think you're allowed to smoke marijuana if you're the military.

GUILFOYLE: Just go with it.

WILLIAMS: I get it. I get it.

So, what do you think, Dana?

PERINO: Here's the question I had when I came in. I thought 181 marijuana plants sounded like a love. But I wasn't really sure. Because in Colorado would that be a lot? Maybe it's not that big of deal, 181 marijuana plants? I don't know.

GUILFOYLE: I mean, isn't it?

PERINO: I don't know. I'm not for it. You know that. But I'm just saying that in a lot of places, right? I think most people would look at this and say, what's the big deal? He was smoking pot and he was around pot.

WILLIAMS: Well, we don't know. I have not read that he was smoking pot.

PERINO: Maybe he wasn't smoking it, whatever.

GUILFOYLE: Might as well enjoy his time out.

PERINO: The cops said he was very nice.

GUILFOYLE: I don't understand how this guy who's responsible for the death of Americans is out in the poppy feed, marijuana, blah blah blah -- field having a great time, whatever.

GUTFELD: Well, it's great at FOX News when you talk about marijuana, because nobody knows anything.

GUILFOYLE: It's a green plant. I know it's not poppies. The point is God knows whatever else he's up to. Why is he out of custody? Why is he out running around and like playing with himself in the field?

WILLIAMS: What are you saying? Can you rescue us, please?


WILLIAMS: Rescue us.

BOLLING: I'm really looking forward to the one more thing. Because you and Dana --

PERINO: Oh, gosh, I've got a secret weapon.


WILLIAMS: Well, you know what? You are the secret weapon, Dana Perino.

One more thing up next with Dana Perino!


PERINO: It's time now for one more thing. Greg, you get to go first.

GUTFELD: Saturday, Sunday, "GREG GUTFELD SHOW", 10:00 watch it. We got the repeat Saturday. We've got the new one. It's great.

Now, it's time for this.


GUTFELD: Greg's disgusting news!


GUTFELD: Now, if you have kids in the room, I think you should ask them to leave. This is absolutely repulsive. It makes me sick to my stomach. Let's just roll this.



GUTFELD: It's horrifying. A baby Pomeranian.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

GUTFELD: I don't know what to say. I apologize for showing this. But it makes me sick to my stomach.

GUILFOYLE: That was your best one more thing ever. So cute.

PERINO: Oh, wow, that was a low bar.



GUTFELD: Speaking of a low bar.


GUTFELD: No, I'm talking to her.

PERINO: You're never walked under a low bar, Greg.


BOLLING: OK, I also love you to watch the show tomorrow morning 11:30 Eastern, "Cashing In", hot show tomorrow. Some big debates.

This is something I ask for you guys to do awhile ago. Wake up, America. The thing is off the charts right now.

Look at the numbers that we put up over the last 30 days. Put it up. There it is. There it comes. There it is -- 552,000 tweets over the last 30 days. That was a hashtag that was dormant. Now it's doing over half a million. Love to get it to a million. Just use #wakeupAmerica.

PERINO: There's one thing wrong with that.


PERINO: It's not in all caps.


PERINO: But your tweeters put it in all caps, because they really mean it. That's impressive numbers.

Juan, you're next.

WILLIAMS: So my daughter Reagan called me this week and said a big media company wanted to use a tape of her twin daughters. And I said why? And then I saw this tape.


WILLIAMS: Idiosyncratic speak or when it comes to twins who have their own private language. It's private language of young children. And people are fascinated that they can talk to each other. And, you know, granddad has no clue.

GUTFELD: This is just like "Fox and Friends".


PERINO: Well-played, Juan, trying to up your game on one more thing to bring in the grandchildren. I'm going to give it a shot here.

I had dinner last night with Siobhan Fallon. I think we have a picture here. This is a woman one of the most amazing authors. I encourage you to get her book. It's called "You Know When the Men are Gone", a collection of short stories about what it's like to be at Fort Hood during a deployment.

I highly recommend it. She's got a second book on the way, which is going to be great. They were in town for awhile. It's good to see her.

The second thing is, in case you didn't think that was good enough, my sister taking around jasper everywhere she goes. Cheyenne Frontier Days was the one yesterday. That's Angie Perino with Jasper, because Jasper always wins one more thing.

GUILFOYLE: That was like double your pleasure.

PERINO: I'm trying. KG, you're last.

GUILFOYLE: Let's put up my super, super, super cute picture. You see this little bull dog named Boris? He is not real, unlike the dog in Greg. But his owner left him behind. And they took pictures of the hotel because she can't sleep without him. She brings him everywhere she goes.

PERINO: Bret Baier, you must love us. Never miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us. Have a great weekend.

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