White House: We don't negotiate with terrorists
Report: Release of Al Qaeda agent was part of proposed swap for jailed Americans
This is a rush transcript from "The Five," January 26, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle and this is the Fox News alert. You are looking live at New York's Times Square where forecasters are warning a blizzard of historic proportions is about to bear down. A state of emergency has been declared in the big apple and throughout the northeast from Pennsylvania to Maine. All nonemergency vehicles have been ordered off the roads to New York City beginning at 11 p.m. Eastern tonight. Thousands of flights have been canceled along the east coast. This is a very serious and dangerous storm, folks.
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GUILFOYLE: All right. Thanks, Janice. And we're going to have live weather updates throughout the hour tonight, but first, this weekend the Obama administration reiterated that we don't make deals with terrorists.
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DENIS MCDONOUGH, WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF: We don't get in the negotiations with terrorists. We don't pay ransoms because that cash, then fuels further kidnappings which just continue to exacerbate the problem and we're not going to do that.
CHRIS WALLACE, 'FOX NEWS SUNDAY': And the prisoners swap?
MCDONOUGH: We're not going to do that.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUILFOYLE: But now we are learning Al Qaeda operative Ali Saleh al-Marri who was released from the U.S. prison to the Qatari government may have been part of a prisoner swap that would have freed two Americans being held abroad. White House Advisor Valerie Jarrett told Fox last week al-Marri was released, because of time served.
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ELIZABETH HASSELBECK, FOX & FRIENDS CO-HOST: So do you support that the fact that al-Marri, former Al Qaeda operative released from the United States to Qatar. Do you believe that keeps us more safe? And the president believes that keeps us more safe?
VALERIE JARRETT, WHITE HOUSE ADVISER: Well, people who served their sentence are then released.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUILFOYLE: The proposed swap of the Al Qaeda sleeper agent reportedly came last July, just two months after the Obama administration released five Taliban fighters from GITMO in exchange for Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl. Now, questions are being raised about whether or not that exchange set a dangerous precedent. So Dana, take a through some of the background.
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Well I think -- I think it is important to go back and find out and discuss who this guy is. So al-Marri was sent by the blind shake after 9/11 to come to the United States and his mission was to have some sort of follow up attack. When the United States tracked him down and arrested him, they found things like almanacs, and maps and cyanide and other things that you could be used to plan a terrorist attack.
He was arrested during the Bush administration. He was sent to a military prison in South Carolina in 2008. In the first year of the Obama administration President Obama and Eric Holder changed the terrorist status from enemy combatant to that of a criminal justice system kind of guy. So this is the question at the time of are we going to continue to prosecute the war on terror as a war or is it more of a legislative matter. With people who pre 9/11 would say that the legislative route of dealing with terrorists was not working, but that's what they decided to do. He goes into the court system. He is charged with material support rather than something stronger. Material support is usually used for people who actually help a terrorist out, so --
GUILFOYLE: Far more of an excessive.
PEIRNO: If you are a terrorist and I hand you, I give you material that I'm busted for material support. The difference with this guy is that al-Marri was actually the terrorist. He was not just material support --
GUILFOYLE: He was the principal involved.
PERINO: Then he goes and gets eight years, he does six years and what Valerie Jarrett just said was said, people who have served their sentence gets to -- OK, there's the difference. People who have served their sentence, that's what they decide to call him rather than a terrorist who is a sworn enemy against the United States and how military prison. They call him a person just like the guy on the YouTube video who -- supposedly made the YouTube video in Benghazi, he gets pulled out of his house in the middle of the night on a probation charge and he is still in jail. That's a guy that is served his sentence, possibly with good time. The problem I think is that we are not distinguishing between the two and I'm sorry to go on a little bit but I do think that it is important to understand why we are in this position. I don't know that they swapped prisoners. I hope not.
Or if they did, there -- I hope they give us -- in the Congress for better explanation.
GUILFOYLE: It's a proper of options (ph) there, like he said, because there was a decision made one, to bring him into the U.S. criminal justice system. They could have held him indefinitely, which would have been the good idea. And said they brought them in, gave them all the rights and privileges just like a U.S. citizen would have. And then they charge him with material support instead of being the principal involved in this scheme.
PERINO: Right.
GUILFOYLE: He wasn't some like, day player in as a sub. This was the guy that was orchestrating it at the (inaudible) right?
PERINO: And now he is free to go back to his country and because he had good behavior in a U.S. criminal justice system, he gets to go back to Qatar -- whatever you want to call it. And he -- we have no control over whether or not he would start to plot and plan additional attacks. Which I think makes -- everyone less safe including moderate Muslims who are their main targets of the terrorists.
GUILFOYLE: These terror attacks -- Greg.
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: This is a -- it is hard to believe, we're dealing with an administration who are -- essentially irrelativeness who cannot categorize much less name evil. The only thing President Obama can hold is a golf club. If your country cannot hold a guy who joined Al- Qaeda three years before 9/11 clearly, he knew what 9/11 was who was planning on killing thousands and perhaps the most ghastly manner. If you can't hold that guy why hold anyone? Soldiers have died trying to kill lesser threats. If Eric Holder had Charles Manson in custody he would let him off for good behavior. This is disgusting. These cream puffs should not be running a government. They should have been running a 5k charity run.
They make me absolutely sick. It's sickening. It's disgusting. I'll shut up now.
GUILFOYLE: OK. Bolling, so this is the guy that was involved to -- the inception, even prior to 9/11 happening, some who was a key player.
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Yeah --
GUILFOYLE: But we all need though. (ph)
BOLLING: And here was happened -- six years ago President Obama said one of the first things I want to do is close GITMO. So do you have to -- take that and keep that in mind. Is it terror, when a guy does this, when he plots to kill to -- to a poison -- whatever, thousands of Americans? Or is it work place violence? Is it terror when someone shoots 14 people in Fort Hood or is it work place violence? Or is it violent extremism? If it is terror, you have to keep them off premises, you have to keep them in GITMO and you can continue to enhance interrogation techniques on them, until you get the information you want. If you want to call it workplace violent or violent extremism and bring to America and put them in -- whether it's Illinois, Supermax (ph) or wherever this guy was in Virginia -- was in Virginia?
PEIRNO: South Carolina.
BOLLING: South Carolina. Then you have to read him his rights, you have to give him --
GUILFOYLE: Right.
BOLLING: The same due process you would have to give anyone, anyone else who is a violent person in America, that's the problem. President Obama promised to close GITMO, if he didn't make that promise, these people would still be probably be at GITMO and rather than return to battlefield, as Dana points out, to Qatar or through Yemen wherever they go, they would be held and we can be maybe gets some Intel and stop --
GUILFOYLE: Yeah, I was being.
BOLLING: For future attempts.
GUILFOYLE: Yeah. A part of a prisoner swap. So -- Juan, your thoughts on this, I mean, this is something I think is very disturbing.
JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: I agree. It's very disturbing.
Because obviously, this is someone who -- you know, has ill intent for all of us for America. So I -- I don't think there is question that you have to be uptight about what happens with this man. Now, let's go back what Dana said is exactly right, I mean, this is a guy that was first put in South Carolina, I mean, there's no Republican or Democrat about that, he is put there as a criminal. Then the political issue comes with regard to the charge against him. And I don't think there is any question to me that he is more than a material witness. I think this guy is a terrorist. So, I would have upped the charge now, if someone is charged and serves their sentence in keeping with American values and the American judicial system, yeah, you let him go, that's -- that's our system of government. But, is there --
GUILFOYLE: But early believes?
WILIAMS: But look --
GUILFOYLE: For good conduct.
WILLIAMS: Whatever -- whatever the rules are the rules were followed. But I'm just saying, at my heart I think this guy is a terrorist. I think he is a threat to America so I'm uncomfortable about it. It does not -- by the way Eric, relate to Guantanamo, which I think is a larger issue. He wasn't at Guantanamo --
BOLLING: That's the problem.
WILLIAMS: We wouldn't -- well, that's somebody else's decisions, if you want to make a political fight out of it.
PERINO: But you only send some to Guantanamo if you picked them up on a battlefield outside the United States. He is still considered a detainee under a military situation.
(CROSSTALK)
PERINO: That's why the original position -- was South Carolina. When he goes to the criminal justice system under Eric Holder, it is possible that he gave us some sort of Intel --
GUILFOYLE: Yeah.
PERINO: That -- was extremely helpful. We don't necessary need to know that because I understand the secrecy. I also understand the goal of wanting to close GITMO. I understand that we do can't -- that we don't want to hold on to these terrorists forever and that we have this problem, we would rather not have it, but the problem is, that we don't have a mechanism to deal with it. Now there is an opportunity for President Obama with the new Congress, and that is, that is that he is seeking a new authorization to use military force for actions -- continued actions that we have to fight -
- we used to fight Al Qaeda and ISIS around the world. And it is possible, I think under using some of the guidance from Lindsey Graham and John McCain and Kelly Ayotte in the Senate that President Obama could find a way to -- maybe work something out to be able to prosecute and bring them to justice. And then you hold them not under a detainee scenario but under something else.
WILLIAMS: You mean bring them to the United States?
PERINO: No, I do not.
WILLIAMS: Oh, away from me.
PEIRNO: I just mean some way to figure out a way to prosecute those trials.
The trials at GITMO have never taken him quite.
WILLIAMS: Yeah, that's the problem.
PERINO: And so I'm saying that the mechanism actually could get fixed and this authorization to use military force.
GUTFELD: The issue is of trust. Can you trust your leader as a negotiator when you feel that he doesn't have the skills for that? He is on par with a gullible tourist who buys a coat off the street thinking it is mink but it is actually rat. And then you have the hypocrisy in this administration in
-- in the labeling of violence that Eric brings up. What -- but it deviates from any other kind of philosophy that you deal when you are talking about violence among the left. When a man attacks a woman, that's domestic violence, it's male violence against women. When a gang attacks a gay man, that is a hate crime and an example of homophobia, but if it is radical Islam, then we do the opposite. We have no prefixes, no specifics and no blame, it just because an amorphous terror. We are -- it speaks to the power of fear, the fear of being called Islamophobic has rendered us impudent.
BOLLING: Can I -- can I add some very --
GUILFOYLE: Yeah, I want -- I want to get to react to Denis McDonough, I get you once react to this.
BOLLING: That's --
GUILFOYLE: So let's take a listen to what he had to say about this.
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MCDONOUGH: Let's be clear that nobody deny that these are Muslims. And these are Muslims who claim that their warped view of their ideology is what informed their actions, their hateful ideology in the sense. (ph) But we simply do not believe Chuck, is that they should somehow be seen as representatives of Islam. They are not. It is one of the world's great religions.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: And that lends exactly to what the point that Greg and I were just making that, if you don't call it what it is then you can never prosecute it, you can never fight it as a war. A quick thought, one thing that changed over the Bergdahl swap, with five for one swap for Bergdahl. We have made it clear to ISIS and Al Qaeda and every other terrorist out there that there will be some form of negotiation with terrorism. Now, we haven't had that for years if not decades. The Obama administration has changed.
Now I don't know if there is stuff going on in prior administrations, but it certainly wasn't is out in front and center as it was. Where at the White House, President Obama brings the parents of Bergdahl there says, we're going to get this whole thing done. They make a deal, it's on TV, we watch the swap on video. This never happened before but -- just look at yourself as a terrorist -- wow, they will negotiate. Guess what that does, it put a target on every single American who's traveling abroad. Better start looking over your shoulder and not go to places you don't think is safe.
GUILFOYLE: And then we directly funding.
WILLIAMS: No, I just totally disagree. Look, Bergdahl was our soldier.
That's an American soldier and he should come home and we should make an effort to bring him home.
BOLLING: With terrorists.
WILLIAMS: But no.
BOLLING: Deal with terrorists.
WILLIAMS: But I'm telling you something, we didn't trade. And by the way, there is no evidence we traded on McDonough was talked at the end of his sentence. You know, he's got one year to go, can we use him as a cheat (ph) in this bargain things. But there was no real bargaining and --
BOLLING: We don't know.
WILLIAMS: What -- what the terrorists.
BOLLING: Thank you. That's the whole point I'm making Juan.
WILLIAMS: No, that's not your point. Your point was that now we are doing deals with terrorists. McDonough said this weekend, he can't -- that tell the Japanese what to do, but he was very clear --
(CROSSTALK)
GUILFOYLE: Right.
WILLIAMS: The Japanese, that even after the guy was executed, don't --
GUILFOYLE: Do as I say, not as --
WILLIAMS: No, but we have never done that. We have never -- to this day, we have never traded.
(CROSSTALK)
PERINO: Well, it will be helpful to get the Bowe Bergdahl report so that we can make that move the (ph) determination -- ourselves.
GUILFOYLE: Court marshals, by the way. All right, coming up, did the 2016 presidential race officially begin? It was a big weekend for Republicans in Iowa, the details after this.
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PERINO: We are a year away from 2016 Iowa caucuses where the presidential race really kicks off, but some of the biggest Republican contenders were at the Freedom Summit in Des Moines over the weekend, making their case to Iowa voters.
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SCOTT WALKER, GOVERNOR: We need leaders in America who understand. Who ultimately understand the measure of success in government is not how many people are dependent on the government. The measure of success in government is how many people are no longer dependent on the government.
TED CRUZ, SENATOR: In a Republican primary every candidate is going to come in front of you and say, I am the most conservative guy ever live. Well you know what? Talk is cheap. If you say you support liberty, show me where you stood up and fought for it.
CARLY FIORINA, EXECUTIVE OFFICER: Like Hillary Clinton, I too have traveled hundreds of thousands of miles around the globe, but unlike her I have actually accomplished something. Flying is not an accomplishment, it is an activity.
CHRIS CHRISTIE, GOVERNOR: If the values I'm fighting for every day in New Jersey and all across this country are not consistent with your values, then why would I keep coming back? I wouldn't. I do, because our values are consistent and we are fighting together to make this a better country.
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PERINO: Charles Krauthammer was asked an interesting question on special report Friday night, if he had to bet $100 in Vegas where would he put his money today?
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CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: 40 on Rubio, 30 on Bush, 15 on Scott Walker and I blow the rest on booze.
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(LAUGHTER)
PERINO: Kimberly, you like to play some bet, what did you think of Krauthammer's (inaudible)
GUILFOYLE: You know I'm smart on, that maybe like a 5 percent additional allocation for the alcohol.
BOLLING: For the booze?
GUILFOYLE: Yeah.
(LAUGHTER)
GUILFOYLE: With some snacks.
PERINO: Snacks are (inaudible)
GUILFOYLE: I love it.
PERINO: What did you think of this weekend? Did you thinks anyone -- will they stood out?
GUILFOYLE: You know, with all of the reports are we getting is that Scott Walker was a standout that he really showed -- you know, great persona and charisma, gravitas. So that might have been a very defining moment to sort of put him on the grid, and I think he has a lot of opportunity to be able to connect and resonate with the voting public out there so people kind to get to know him and get a feel for him. So, I think he was the winner for that so far.
PERINO: With -- everything you read, who did you think came out -- they all got fairly good press actually.
BOLLING: They -- well, you know most of them, there were a couple that they
-- they said didn't do so well. But, I found it interesting the people who didn't show up. Jeb, Mitt Romney and Rand Paul decided to avoid that event because, I'm guessing they would go -- they'll do it on their own on their own time and get a lot more -- more press. The other thing that 2016 related that came out today with POLITICO ran a very big piece saying that Hillary Clinton is now 100 percent in. They named, obviously John Podesta with five year (ph) chief of staff but they named someone who they think will be our communications director. And they also said something interesting, they had an outline of what her 2016 campaign would be. Better relations with the media and bring in Bill Clinton early. And Bill Clinton's thoughts were Jeb was a real threat and Chris Christie was a side show. I found that was very, very interesting.
PERINO: And is it. And so, also there was another piece from Doug Schoen, one of our colleagues here who worked for the Clinton administration and also the pollster. He wrote today Juan, that Clinton's favorables don't appear to make her invulnerable to a populous challenge from the left as a Warren campaign would be. My polling shows there was a significant opening with Democratic primary voters who are extremely liberal in ideology and populist in orientation. Do you think the Elizabeth Warren threat is real or a side show?
WILLIAMS: It's a side show in terms of current polls and Dough points that out in his piece, but it's very much -- you know, a difficult threat if she gets in the race. Remember, she is not a real candidate. But already ads have been run, already there is a place fundraising mechanisms for Elizabeth Warren, but she said she's not running. If she ever said she's running, I think all the polls shift. I think you begin a different set of traction and guess what? The fact these people still -- especially liberal Democrats the -- Hillary Clinton as a senator from Wall Street, from her time in Washington. So I think that's difficult if we're going to have a populist campaign about wage inequality, and that looks like we were going.
PEIRNO: And all of this is taking place while the president has two years left. Our colleague Juan Williams wrote a piece today, saying the president plans to go on the offensive in the last two years.
GUTFELD: First of all, I keep looking at the blizzard alert and it looks like a frog doing yoga.
(LAUGHTER)
GUTFELD; Look at it.
PERINO: Downward frog.
GUTFELD: Apparently president -- nicely done. President Obama keeps talking about going on the offensive, and I feel like there's nothing worse than someone who thinks that they have nothing left to lose. Someone to remind that his presidency is not the climax of animal house, where you going to really going to give to dim warmer (ph) at the end of the parade. You are still the president. You're not an 18 year old with senioritis who wants the TP (ph) the high school on the way out. By the way, just to focus on what does -- the people in Iowa, people really who win here are the media because they just got five new fresh punching bags, deliver just in time.
So the key is for the Republican Party to teach these punching bags to hit back.
WILLIAMS: Well, let me ask you a question guys. The big news in Iowa was, Sarah Palin said she might get in the race.
PEIRNO: You know what? Everybody into the pool --
WILLIAMS: Oh my God --
PERINO: And pair them (ph)
WILLIAMS: And there's Donald Trump on the stage. I think you guys should sue.
GUTFELD: No, you what? I mean, there is an issue with -- what I call press teases, and these are people that just enjoy the attention of saying that they running for something and then they always kind of like, fade away.
But they enjoy it, it's fun for them. But they got to understand, press teases -- nobody likes a tease.
BOLLING: So -- can I throw in, I really mean, do we have time? One quick question, our POLITICO's, why does someone who has absolutely no chance of ever become president, run for president? I mean there --
WILLIAMS: Oh come on.
BOLLING: These five (inaudible)
WILLIAMS: What are you talking about?
BOLLING: Is there money involved?
(CROSSTALK)
WILLIAMS: Of course. How much -- look, come on, you going to -- how much your speaking fees are go up. You think Donald Trump --
BOLLING: This Trump --
WILLIAMS: You think Donald Trump is really running?
BOLLING: I'm not talking about those. I'm talking about the other candidates that have zero chance of -- winning.
PERINO: I think --
BOLLING: We know who they are.
PERINO: There are those -- there might be some people who fall into the category that Juan just described. But I also think that there are still some people who have the courage of their convictions.
GUILFOYLE: Right.
PEIRNO: And believe that they want to at least have a say in the debate and see how far they can go.
GUTFELD: Rand Paul for example, as much as -- you know I disagree with him with a lot of stuffs. Once because, he wants to introduce libertarian ideas, not to sell books, not like -- you know certain people who ran so that they to get contributor jobs.
PERINO: Right.
GUILFOYLE: No names. Not going to name names.
GUTFELD: Right.
WILLIAMS: You know that --
PERINO: You know you say you don't like a tease. But, I got a tease.
WILLIAMS: Oh, go ahead.
PERINO: All right, ahead on The Five, did Marilyn Manson just blame the victims of the Paris terrorist attack? We'll tell you what he said, and later Michael Moore continuing to take shots at American sniper, this time invoking Jesus.
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GUTFELD: You remember this handsome devil? His name, Marilyn Manson. A rebel for people who think rebellion is wearing black lipstick and loitering in front of a hot topic. But he is now on a comeback, why should you care? Because he built his career not just on ripping off the great Alice Cooper, but masquerading as edgy mocking Christians. But now in the chat with AV club, he says that the murdered Paris editors shouldn't have offended the terrorist of Charlie Hebdo he says "I can't say they didn't ask for it. It's kind of a dumb idea to do something like that."
He also namedropped Johnny Depp, which is pretty pathetic in itself.
So let's repeat: The renegade who bravely made fun of Christians thinks you shouldn't confront radical Islam. Yes, only take a stand when there is no risk. Spoken like a true rebel, the kind who trashes hotel rooms that some child's mother must clean up for minimum wage. How daring.
What happened to the guy who thinks his job as an artist to be out there, pushing people's buttons and making them question everything?
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MARILYN MANSON, ENTERTAINER: I think it's my job as an artist to be out there pushing people's buttons and making them question everything.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUTFELD: The rebel. He really puts the "ick" in shtick.
Now, I'm not religious, but I credit Christians for the confidence that allows them not to be bothered by Manson. I'm sure tons of them even have his records. But now we know, if the risk is real and words equal death, his message is shut up and stick to the lipstick. Yes, that will really tick off Gramps.
All right. He came out in the early '90s, I believe, Dana. I assumed he terrified you, little farm girl.
PERINO: You are correct. I was scared of him. He's probably happy that I was scared of him.
GUTFELD: Right.
PERINO: Right? That was his whole goal.
GUTFELD: Yes.
PERINO: And it worked. I can say I've never bought a single one of his records.
GUTFELD: Yes.
PERINO: And I actually originally thought it was a her.
GUTFELD: Well -- well...
PERINO: I don't know any guys named Marilyn.
GUTFELD: You're right. Got me on that one.
PERINO: ... on that, too.
GUTFELD: All right, then. You know, Eric, his point could have been -- it could have been a smart point if he's said, you know -- let's say you walked into a diehard Steelers bar in Pittsburgh and said, "Terry Bradshaw does unicorn porn." There's going to be some guy there who wants to punch him in the face.
BOLLING: Right. And another guy who's saying -- who says, "I know. I starred in that movie."
I had no idea that Marilyn Manson was -- his shtick was "I'm Marilyn Monroe and Charles Manson all wrapped up in one." I learn something every day.
PERINO: It was in your packet.
BOLLING: I may have skipped this packet.
GUTFELD: But he was a journalist. You know he was a journalist.
BOLLING: Right. And so at one point he defends free speech. Right?
GUTFELD: Yes, yes, yes.
BOLLING: "This is what I do. I push buttons. Blah, blah, blah. Free speech, yada, yada. I have the right to do it." And then we're on board, saying, "You know what? You really do. And we get it." That's our First Amendment. And then he comes back and says they deserved it.
Listen, we can't get too hard on Marilyn Manson, because the pope kind of said the same thing.
GUTFELD: The same thing, exactly. In a weird way, Marilyn Manson could be the pope.
BOLLING: Don't do it.
WILLIAMS: He said he went to Christian school...
GUTFELD: Yes, exactly.
WILLIAMS: ... which is really...
GUTFELD: But this is chauvinist. The whole thing is a shtick. It's a shtick. It's like "I'm edgy. I can make fun of Christians, but I'm not going to go to that extra" -- he's actually making -- he's making an acceptable point. "Christians are OK. I can make fun of them, but I better not make fun of them, because I could die. He's actually -- maybe he's being honest."
WILLIAMS: Honest?
GUTFELD: Yes.
WILLIAMS: How about foolish?
GUTFELD: Yes.
GUILFOYLE: Why is anyone even still listening to him? He's so disgusting.
I mean, seriously, I'm so traumatized that Rose McGowan from "Charmed"
dated him. Why do all these women go out with that guy?
GUTFELD: He's a bad boy.
GUILFOYLE: You have to share your makeup with him. So weird. I don't get it.
WILLIAMS: Well, he said he got his jaw broken, you know, for taking a stand and going to jail, violating codes in communities. And yet, you know, when it comes to just saying, "You know what? 'Charlie Hebdo,' I mean, much like 'The Onion' in this country, is funny." I think they go over the top. I agree with the pope. You don't want to just gratuitously insult people. But for him, for Marilyn Manson to say it, come on.
GUTFELD: Yes.
GUILFOYLE: I think he's trying to make a comeback and get attention.
GUTFELD: That's part of the article. The AV Club is part of "The Onion."
And he's talking about France, and he goes, "I was talking to my friend Johnny -- Johnny Depp, to be clear." It's like there was nothing more pathetic than that gratuitous name dropping, but it made me read the whole article.
PERINO: I know that you drop my name all over town.
GUTFELD: Oh, I do. I'm like an absent-minded mailman. Coming up -- whatever that means. I don't even bother thinking about it. Michael Moore continues his tweeting about "American Sniper." And now he's using religion to pass the movie. Wow, where did he learn that?
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BOLLING: "American Sniper" dominated the box office again this weekend, bringing the total to over $200 million. Michael Moore might be getting a little jealous. He's going off the rails on Twitter. Here's his latest
tweet: quote, "Tomorrow's Sunday School (1). What would Jesus do? Oh, I know what he'd do. Hide on top of a roof and shoot people in the back."
Now Mr. Moore, I don't know you, but I know your kind. Sit back in your Hollywood limos and make comments to spark interest in your legendary career, a career built on trying to demean and degrade our military.
Why don't you get yourself down to San Diego or Virginia and actually see a hero in training where the SEALs train? I'll go with you if you want.
I'll pick up the check.
Now Greg, if Moore takes me up on the offer, will you join us to San Diego?
GUTFELD: No. I'm too lazy.
But I'll tell you this. I commend his moronic consistency. He's a pacifist. And that ideology can only exist if there are other people willing to die for him. Because you can't have a country of pacifists, because we're seeing that now.
That's the joke. He thinks that everybody that disagrees with him is pro- war. Every single sane person is antiwar, but we realize the only way to prevent war is the willingness to wage war. That's why you're seeing a lot of more -- a lot of horrible things going on in the Middle East right now, because America, we're like Superman who's moved to the Villages.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.
GUTFELD: We've decided we're retiring early. And you know what? We've had enough of this hard work. We're going to go down here while whatever.
And now this crap is going on, but we've retired. You cannot have - pacifism leads to nothing but barbarism.
BOLLING: Right. And K.G....
GUILFOYLE: Don't dis, like on the Villages. I love them.
GUTFELD: I love the Villages.
BOLLING: Clint Eastwood, who directed the film, said, "You know what? The film is actually anti-war. It shows the horrors of war and what happens to these people when they come back from war."
GUILFOYLE: Well, I think it shows at points in life war is necessary, and the tough choices are made every day for people who believe in America and want to fight for our freedom. And you've got to put down the people that stand in the way of that. That's what this movie, I think, is about.
Since we can't afford satellite feeds for this show, Mark Luttrell just e- mailed us. And he's like, "Does anyone really care what Michael Moore thinks anyway." And he also said he thought he was dead.
BOLLING: Well, Moore tweeted a long Facebook post on all the things that he's done for the military. Frankly, I went through them one by one, and it didn't -- it doesn't really add up to more than a hill of beans about that high.
WILLIAMS: You're being mean.
BOLLING: No, no.
WILLIAMS: What he said was he hires veterans. Right? He said, in fact, he's showing "American Sniper" at a movie theater, because he's...
BOLLING: He's showing "American Sniper"?
WILLIAMS: His uncle was killed by a sniper in World War II, and he was taught that a sniper who shoots you in the back is a coward, is what he said.
So look, I've got to tell you, I think Michael Moore is a huge hero on the left; and he made his case. It's not a case that you guys like, but he made his case.
BOLLING: You can't defend Michael Moore calling an American hero a coward, can you?
WILLIAMS: Are you kidding? He said that Jesus, if you asked Jesus what would Jesus do, that Jesus Christ would not be a sniper. Now, do you doubt that?
PERINO: OK. That is just -- it's just...
WILLIAMS: That's what Michael Moore said. He said, as a matter of Christianity, he felt uncomfortable.
PERINO: It's just baloney, bull, you know what. I'm not going to say it, because I don't want to get bleeped. But that is complete B.S.
GUTFELD: Tell me how you really feel (ph).
PERINO: The comparison is ridiculous. Instead of trying to redeem himself on Twitter, I think that Michael Moore could really vindicate himself by making a movie about the sufferings of the victims. How about a movie about the beheading or a movie about the "Charlie Hebdo" attacks. Or how about go to Nigeria and do a movie about the -- all the people and not just the girls but innocent people who are being absolutely murdered in order to establish an Islamic caliphate. That would be...
GUTFELD: The villain is America. He cannot make a movie unless the villain is America. That doesn't apply.
WILLIAMS: He is left-wing populist, and he goes after power centers on the right. And he sees this as -- this movie, this Eastwood movie is promoting.
GUTFELD: Right.
WILLIAMS: Now, where you're right, by the way, is that Eastwood said this is an antiwar movie, because it shows the damage done to families; in this case, the family of Chris Kyle.
BOLLING: Maybe that's what Dana's saying. How about you do something like that, Michael Moore, instead of this ridiculously...
PERINO: The other thing he's doing is definitely fueling more people to go and see "American Sniper."
BOLLING: Which is fantastic. Hold on. Kimberly, stay right there. Stay right there.
I wanted to weigh in on this. Bat-stuff-crazy (ph) Howard Dean somehow found a link between the "American Sniper's" success and the Tea Party. Of course, it was in a derogatory tone. Listen.
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HOWARD DEAN, FORMER CHAIRMAN, DNC: There's a lot of anger in this country, and people who go see this movie are people who are angry. And this guy says, "I'm going to fight on your side." And they like that. I think if you look a cross-section of the Tea Party, there's a lot of intersection.
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GUILFOYLE: Wow.
BOLLING: I don't know about you, Howard Dean.
GUILFOYLE: I mean, he is way dumber that I thought. I really underestimated him. I don't know why he would make a statement like that.
It makes no sense. He's saying everybody who went -- there are record numbers -- who went to see this movie is a crazed person that has anger management issues and may have some connection or cross-section to the Tea Party?
BOLLING: Breaking it down (ph), he also called ISIS a cult, not a...
GUTFELD: Yes. He's -- what he is saying is that anybody who is interested in a film about a returning veteran dealing with issues has to be angry.
But I doubt he would ever say that about any of the leftist tripe that is turned out of Hollywood that is basically anti-corporate, anti-capitalist, anti -- anticonservative. He would never say those people are angry.
WILLIAMS: No, I just told you: he's a populist on that side (ph). But I'm
going to tell you something.
BOLLING: Right. It was ridiculous.
WILLIAMS: No, but I'm saying for Howard Dean the same thing applies.
But I must tell you, it's not just the right that's going to see this movie. The movie is a hit in Washington, D.C.
WILLIAMS: Look into the camera. Look at the camera. I can't believe that this movie actually has -- is now the No. 1 war movie of all time. That's
-- that's a great accomplishment.
PERINO: If you have a chance, Greg tweeted this on Saturday, but go and watch to the end of that segment, because Brett Stevens, a columnist at "The Wall Street Journal" and author of the recent book, "American in the Street," takes on Bill Maher. And it's spectacular. And you have to watch it to the end of the clip. Because Maher walks up into a cul-de-sac and can't get out.
BOLLING: All right. We have to leave it right there. Coming up, the northeast blizzard of 2015. We've got the latest on this dangerous and very powerful storm, coming up.
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WILLIAMS: This is a FOX News alert. A powerful dangerous snowstorm is pounding down on the northeast. Right now it could be an historic blizzard, affecting tens of millions of people.
Let's check in with Rick Leventhal. He's in Long Island, New York, braving the storm -- Rick.
RICK LEVENTHAL, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: And Juan, the blizzard warning remains in effect through midnight Tuesday for this storm that could be crippling, according to the National Weather Service. They're talking about snow totals of 20 to 30 inches, possibly more in parts of Connecticut. And here on Long Island, sometime tonight the snow is expected to start falling at a rate of two to four inches per hour, and they're talking about wind in the 20- to 30-mile-per-hour range.
It's starting to gust now. But they're saying the gusts could reach 55 miles per hour, perhaps as high as 70 miles per hour out on eastern Long Island, which could cause severe problems for power outages, tree limbs down and that sort of thing up and down the East Coast tonight.
The governor of New York has instituted a travel ban. Starting at 11 p.m.
tonight, only emergency vehicles on 13 -- on roads in 13 different counties, including New York City and here on Long Island. And New York City has also benched its subways and buses and commuter rails starting at
11 p.m. tonight. You will not be able to basically get anywhere in the city or outside of the city. No cars, no buses. And no subway trains.
They're trying to keep these roads clear and leave room for the emergency vehicles and also the snow plows. We just drove from the Long Island Expressway to here in Hemstead. The roads are already very bad, and they're going to get a lot worse as this night progresses.
WILLIAMS: Rick, thanks so much. Stay warm out there. That looks like a mess. The wind is something.
Now let me ask you, are you going to walk Jasper in this?
PERINO: Well, of course. He has to be walked. Can I show you something from yesterday that is just so awesome? At Central Park they had a thing called Winter Jam. It's for kids. You go snowboarding. You know how to ski and sled and all this stuff.
GUTFELD: Get to the video.
PERINO: The next day the dogs take over, and Jasper taught himself how to sled. He found a kid's broken sled. And he would go and slide down the hill, pick it up, take it back up and do it again. This is your dog, America.
GUTFELD: He's attacking the blizzard alert. He's attacking the blizzard alert.
WILLIAMS: So where is your son? How come he's not out there with Jasper, going down the hillside?
GUILFOYLE: Dana didn't invite us. Sorry.
PERINO: We're there every day.
GUILFOYLE: No more America's sweetheart. That's now over.
WILLIAMS: Go ahead, Greg.
GUTFELD: I have a question for all those students in Boston who want to divest from coal. Make a stand over the next day or two. Turn off all your heat, you bunch of wusses. Coal is going to save your life. There's nothing more dangerous than cold. The spikes of death during the winter are much more significant than in the summertime. The increase is 18 percent rise in deaths during cold winter.
WILLIAMS: I think you should smear your face like Marilyn Manson with coal. I think that would work right now.
GUTFELD: I think that would be blackface, Juan, and that would be racist.
WILLIAMS: No, no, no, no. I would pay for you to blackface. I would pay.
I would.
GUILFOYLE: This segment went in two different directions.
WILLIAMS: You ever rolled down a hill?
BOLLING: So, very quickly...
PERINO: Is that an offer?
BOLLING: Moving on. Very quickly, if you have a dog, do yourself a -- do the dog a favor. Clear some space for the dog to do his thing.
Also, the most fun thing...
GUILFOYLE: What?
BOLLING: ... about snow storms like this...
WILLIAMS: He cares about dogs.
BOLLING: ... every time it happens, first thing in the morning I tweet, "We're going to get two feet of global warming." And the responses from the left...
GUILFOYLE: They go crazy.
BOLLING: They go absolutely crazy.
GUILFOYLE: You know, sledding really hurts your butt. I got to be honest.
BOLLING: Sledding?
WILLIAMS: Sledding?
GUTFELD: You should use a sled.
WILLIAMS: Oh, my gosh. Yes, you got to get off that blanket.
"One More Thing" coming right at you. Stay with us.
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GUILFOYLE: All right. Well, welcome back. It's time now for "One More Thing." Greg, do you have anything decent?
GUTFELD: Yes, I do. April 21 is a big day. It's Iggy Pop's birthday.
Yay. But also, it's when Dana Perino's book comes out and we have the cover. Look at the cover.
BOLLING: Wow.
WILLIAMS: Wow, yes.
GUTFELD: That's -- why don't they show it head on? I guess they're trying to be artsy. But it looks like she's sitting on a Vienna sandwich cookie.
GUILFOYLE: Aw.
GUTFELD: But it's a great cover. And I hate positive books. I refuse to read them. But I have to say, I enjoyed this book, not because I sit next to this little urchin, but it's an incredibly fast read. And you think it's all about politics, but it's really about growing up on a farm, which I have no idea what that's like. And I learned tons of stuff about farm stuff that I didn't know. Also I learned about a certain relationship with a man that I didn't know about.
PERINO: Which one?
GUTFELD: The guy that -- the guy that left you.
PERINO: Oh. I got dumped in college.
GUTFELD: Yes. Patrick (ph). That chapter...
PERINO: It scarred me.
GUTFELD: That chapter is worth it alone. You're obsessed.
PERINO: I hope he goes out and buys the book.
GUTFELD: Yes. You can order this. Right?
PERINO: You can order it today.
GUTFELD: By the way, it is a great book. I can't emphasize that enough.
And I actually read it.
PERINO: Thank you. That was nice.
GUILFOYLE: OK. And your little -- the dog relationship continues on.
Very interesting. The book looks fabulous.
PERINO: Thank you.
GUILFOYLE: Dana, what have you got?
PERINO: OK. So you're going to love this. There are some girls in Afghanistan who are getting some empowerment in an unconventional way through skateboarding. This was started -- it's called Skateistan, and it was started by an Australian named Oliver Percovich. And he liked it, because skateboarding is the only sport that is -- that girls are allowed to do there, because they didn't know that it was sort of -- it didn't exist before we went in and the invasion. So they get to, like, have the run of it. And they're helping over 800 girls now, and they're just doing a great, terrific job. And I thought that was a fun thing to be able to support.
GUILFOYLE: Very cool. I like that.
PERINO: Skateistan.
GUILFOYLE: Who knew?
BOLLING: OK. So 27 years ago, Christopher Carson -- liked to be called "Kit" -- walked into Rush Limbaugh's studios, met Rush, stayed with Rush for the whole time. Here's Rush from today.
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RUSH LIMBAUGH, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: It's such a void, because he loved this job. He loved being here. He loved being part of it every day. He would try to get his cancer treatments moved to different times of the day so that he wouldn't have to miss. All the while we're telling him, "Hey, put yourself first here."
He said, "I am. I love this." And he loved everybody here. And everybody loved him.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BOLLING: Kit Carson passed away. He died from cancer. He was 58 years old. Thoughts and prayers. He leaves behind a wife, Teresa, and two teenage boys, Jesse and Jack. We'll pray for the whole family.
PERINO: He was a great guy.
GUILFOYLE: God bless him. Shows the importance of making every day count.
So prayers for his family.
OK. Real quick, so Sam Smith, you guys know that song "Stay with Me" and think it's pretty cool. Well, apparently it was really cool a while ago, because they have to give royalties, 12.5 percent, to Tom Petty and Jeff Lynn of Electric Light Orchestra fame...
GUTFELD: Ripping them off.
GUILFOYLE: ... because the song was too similar.
GUTFELD: He ripped them off.
GUILFOYLE: You got to pay the man. I know.
All right, Juan. What do you got?
WILLIAMS: Just real quick, let me just tell you, on Friday the most odd thing happened in Rochester, New Hampshire. A woman is going through the Burger King drive-through, and she gets a bag containing $2,600. And you know what? She didn't get her sweet tea and her spicy whatever -- chicken.
That was it. But she gave the money back! What a good lady.
GUILFOYLE: Everybody stay safe. "Special Report" next.
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