White House knew millions would lose doctors despite Obama's promise

This is a rush transcript from "The Kelly File," October 28, 2013. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

MEGYN KELLY: And breaking tonight, Fox News has just confirmed that while the president was promising you could keep your health care plan, the White House has known for almost three years if not more that the promise wouldn't hold for millions of Americans. And we have evidence.

Good evening, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly.

Americans heard this president say it over and over -- if you like your doctor, if you like your plan, you can keep them under ObamaCare. But many had doubts. One major concern that those buying insurance on the individual market, people who don't have employer coverage, would see their plans canceled. Why? Because those plans tend to be cheap with less benefits. And ObamaCare requires insurers to beef up their coverage. That costs money.

The fear was that insurers that are forced to offer more benefits would also raise rates or maybe dump the policies all together. And that exactly what is happening. Contrary to the president's explicit promises. Listen.


PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Actually, any insurance that you currently have would be grandfathered in so you could keep. And so you could decide not to get in the exchange the better plan. I could keep my ACME insurance, just a high deductible catastrophic plan. I would not be required to get the better one.


KELLY: But that's not what's happening at all. Exactly what he said would not happen is happening. You are required to get rid of the ACME plan. And you are required to buy one on the exchange and it is costing Americans more.

So far nearly a million policies have been canceled. Over 10 million more could end very soon. We're talking maybe 14 million. And with the American people now demanding answers you can keep your plan, period, today turned into maybe, for most. For the majority. Well, some can. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Here is former White House senior adviser David Axelrod earlier and then some follow up from our own Ed Henry.


DAVID AXELROD, FORMER SENIOR ADVISOR TO PRESIDENT BUSH, "MORNING JOE"/MSNBC: Most people are going to keep their own plans Senator and you know that.

The majority of people in this country, the vast majority of people in this country are keeping their plans.

ED HENRY, FOX NEWS WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: This morning David Axelrod was pressed on that point and said the majority, the vast majority will get to keep their plans. He no longer works at the White House. From that podium, will you admit that when the president said if you have a plan you will get to keep it and that was not true.

JAY CARNEY, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: Well, let's be clear. The president said, what everybody said all along is that there are going to be changes brought about by the Affordable Care Act that create minimum standards of coverage.


KELLY: Right. And then he also said that if you like your plan you could keep it, period. And tonight, we have dug up an IRS form from 2010 that shows that this administration knew that over 10 million Americans would not keep their plan, could not keep their doctor. And yet the president went out as recently as 2012 and said if you like your plan you could keep it. Meantime there is a regulation -- an IRS regulation, it was pushed by HHS, Human Services, that said estimated that tens of millions would going to get dumped.

Marc Thiessen is a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and a former speechwriter for President George W. Bush. And I mean, this is it. It is one thing to say -- he said they were going to get to keep their plans, period. And now this regulation shows that months after ObamaCare was passed, July, it passed in March. July or before, I should say. Before, they knew. They were estimating internally in the administration ten million people are going to lose their insurance.

MARC THIESSEN, AMERICAN ENTERPRISE INSTITUTE FELLOW: Yes. You've got the smoking gun right there in your hand. Look, they knew. When President Obama looked at the American people in the eye and said if you like your health insurance, you can keep your current plan, period, no matter what, that was a bald-faced lie.

And he intended -- in fact, I think that they intended for these people to lose their health insurance. And the reason for that is -- as you pointed out -- it will be up to 14 million people. Why would they want those people to lose their health insurance? Because they need those people to move into the exchanges to subsidize the poor people.

The individual mandate is the most lucrative part -- I'm sorry, the individual market is the most lucrative part of the segment of the health insurance industry because those people don't use a lot of services and they are generally healthy. And so, those are the people that they need to move into the exchanges in order to subsidize ObamaCare.

So, while President Obama was going out there saying you won't lose your health insurance, period, all along they were planning for those people to lose their health insurance -- 14 million of them and move into the exchanges.

KELLY: So, the president, as we watch this healthcare.gov website falling apart, he doesn't have to worry. Because even though the young people aren't yet signing up right now because the website is a mess, he knows that they are being canceled. That millions of Americans are being canceled and will have no choice but to sit on that website for hours and days on end eventually because he knows, as we all know now, that millions of Americans are going to get canceled.

THIESSEN: There's the rub. They didn't anticipate the failure of the website. And so, the problem is now, if you are one of these 14 million or so people who are losing their current health insurance you're stuck with two options. One is to pay these new exorbitant new premiums that you can't afford because they are raising your insurance rates between 99 and 400 percent, or go into the exchanges, except, because the website doesn't work you can't get into the exchanges.

And so, what's going to happen is with the anticipated consequence of this is they are pushing all these millions of people out of their health care that they like into ObamaCare except the people can't get into ObamaCare. So on January 1, you're going to have potentially millions of people who once had health care and no longer had it because of ObamaCare.

KELLY: Uh-hm. In that sound bite we played, you had Senator Jon Kyl specifically asking the president what about the individual insurance market. What about people who have plans there? You are raising the requirements. That will cost more people canceled. And there you heard the president specifically speak to this issue saying, it's not true. You can keep your ACME plan if you like your ACME plan. That is not true.

Mark, thank you.

THIESSEN: Thank you, Megyn.

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