What messages, policies will be the focus of the DNC?

This is a rush transcript from "Sunday Morning Futures," July 24, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

MARIA BARTIROMO, FOX NEWS ANCHOR:  Well, the Democrats now preparing to have the stage, but will turmoil within the party impact the success of their convention?

Good morning, everyone.  Welcome.  I'm Maria Bartiromo and this is "Sunday Morning Futures", live from the Democratic National Convention.

Hillary Clinton unveiling Virginia Senator Tim Kaine as her running mate. What will Kaine do for the Democratic ticket?  I'll ask senior Clinton adviser Karen Finney this morning.

Plus, how will the thousands of leaked e-mails impact party unity?  Some, including the party chairwoman, showing preference for Clinton over Bernie Sanders.  Former George W. Bush deputy chief of staff Karl Rove on that.

And how is the general election shaping up?  Donald Trump and Mike Pence preparing to return to the campaign trail this week.  Our panel on that as we look ahead and speak with House leadership, Kevin McCarthy, all right now on "Sunday Morning Futures."


BARTIROMO:  And it is official, Virginia Senator Tim Kaine is Hillary Clinton's running mate, and in their first appearance together, they wasted no time in going after their Republican opponents, Donald Trump and Governor Mike Pence.


HILLARY CLINTON, D-PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE:  I have to say that Senator Tim Kaine is everything Donald Trump and Mike Pence are not.

SEN. TIM KAINE, D-PRESUMPTIVE VICE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE:  Do you want a "you're fired" president or "you're hired" president?  Do you want a trash-talking or a bridge-building president?  We've seen again and again that when Donald Trump says he has your back, you better watch out.


BARTIROMO:  That same anti-Trump tone set to be the focus of Bernie Sanders' speech Monday night at the convention as opposed to the WikiLeaks e-mail controversy swirling around the DNC and its leader, Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

Despite all of this, it's not certain Sanders followers will be willing to forgive.

Let's talk about it right now with Karen Finney.  She's senior adviser and senior spokesperson for Hillary for America.

Karen, great to have you.


BARTIROMO:  Thanks so much for joining us.

FINNEY:  Absolutely.

BARTIROMO:  Good luck this week.

FINNEY:  Thank you.

BARTIROMO:  Big week for your team.

FINNEY:  We're excited.

BARTIROMO:  Let me ask you to set the stage for us.

FINNEY:  Sure.

BARTIROMO:  What will be the most important takeaways when it comes to policy, what we'll hear from the speakers this week?

FINNEY:  Well, I think a couple of things.  I mean, we're excited obviously.  The rollout with Tim Kaine was exciting and people are looking forward to hearing from him during this convention.

But I'll tell you what you're going to hear over the next four days.  It's a very different tone, and a very different set of ideas obviously.  You're going to hear a lot from real people who are people out in this country who are making a difference, helping to solve problems.  When we're talking about quality child care or early childhood education, or gun safety, what's working and who are some of the people who are working on those issues.

And that also folds into the vision that Hillary Clinton and governor -- Senator Kaine have for this country, and that is how do we get people back to work?  She talked a little bit yesterday about investing in infrastructure to create jobs, so we'll talk about that, increasing incomes.  We'll talk about health care -- how do we build on the affordable care act and get more people into the system.  We'll talk about criminal justice reform.  We'll talk about gun safety measures.

BARTIROMO:  These are exactly the issues that the other side is taking issue with.  For example, if you're looking to create economic growth, how do you move the needle on economic growth if Hillary is planning on raising taxes on the highest earners that includes small business?  She's planning on raising minimum wages.  That's going to make it tougher for business.  And she wants to build on the president's legislation, Obamacare and Dodd/Frank.

These are the issues businesses say, this is why I'm not hiring right now.

FINNEY:  Well, a couple of things I would say.  There are businesses out in this country that are sharing the profits with their workers and who are showing that it can be done, that you can be profitable and you can invest in your workers.  So, you're going to hear us highlight some of those strategies and that is part of her economic plan.

Everything in all of her plans is paid for, it's all on our website.  Everything she believes that you got to tell people how you're going to do it and what you're going to do.  So, when we talk about things like raising taxes on the highest earners, the idea is, how do we get more money into people's hands in the middle class, because that, in turn, will stimulate our economy.

BARTIROMO:  Yes.  But my point is, how is it going to stimulate if these guys are saying my expense side of the business went up, I've got higher taxes.  I'm not going to add another person to my payroll.

FINNEY:  Well, but look, what we're talking about is creating incentives for companies that keep jobs here in this country that invest in their employees here in this country as a way to -- you know, you can still make money and do the right thing and invest in your employees and that's what you're going to see.

BARTIROMO:  I know we're going to hear from some very important leadership speaker this is week, President Obama, Michelle Obama, Bernie Sanders.

I got to ask you about the WikiLeaks story, 20,000 emails released, unleashed on the Internet by WikiLeaks, and many of them basically suggests that the Democrats -- the Democratic National Committee is in the tank for Hillary Clinton.  They're all saying basically, well, look, let's come up with this idea, let's come up with this narrative to make Bernie look bad.

Here's one I'm going to show it on the screen.  "This is a silly story.  Bernie Sanders is not going to be president."  That from Debbie Wasserman Schultz to a colleague.

And then there's another one from the CFO of the DNC on Bernie's faith.  We all know he's Jewish, but they're trying to throw it out there maybe he's an atheist.  "It might make no difference but Kentucky, can we get somebody to ask really about his beliefs?  Does he even believe in God?  He skated on saying he has a Jewish heritage.  I think I read he's an atheist, this could make several points difference with my peeps," he writes.

This is the CFO, "My Southern Baptist peeps would draw a difference between a Jew and atheist."

How do you explain that?

FINNEY:  Well, I leave it to the DNC to explain that, because obviously, Clinton -- the Hillary for America campaign is not the DNC.  So, I will leave it to them to explain.

And look, I feel confident that we believe there was a fair process in which, I mean that was certainly everything that we tried to make happen, where people got to come to the polls, whether it was a caucus site or a polling site, have their voices heard and have the votes counted.  At the end of the day, Hillary Clinton did win fair and square.  That's what we're here as a party to come together and celebrate and talk about the vision that she has for the country.

And one other thing I want to mention is, you're going to learn a little bit more about Hillary Clinton herself and some of the fights of her life, in terms of fighting for kids and families and child care, and how do we again sustain economic growth and keep our country safe?

You're going to hear from some of the people who have worked with her, you're going to hear for example from some folks from 9/11.  She -- one of her big fights was making sure that New York got the resources and our first responders got the resources they needed for health care after 9/11.

So, part of it is, I think you're going to hear an optimistic view of the country, a realistic view that, yes, we still have challenges to solve, but at the same time, here's a positive vision of how we're all going to come together and solve these problems.  You are not going to hear her say, "I alone can solve these problems."  I can tell you that.

BARTIROMO:  The reason we saw real division last week at the Republican National Convention where Ted Cruz comes out and basically doesn't endorse Trump.  You wonder if you're going to see a similar situation there with Bernie Sanders, because now, it's all out in the open, everybody knows that the DNC was actively rooting for Hillary, pushing her forward, and the Sanders supporters are not happy about it.

FINNEY:  Well, you know, again, I haven't seen all of the emails.  I heard plenty quite mundane.  But more importantly, I think Senator Sanders is full-throated endorsed Hillary Clinton, he has made it clear he is committed to making sure that Donald Trump does not become president.  So, I think you're going to hear him again endorse Hillary Clinton.

He brought a lot to this race and helped to put some real important issues front and center during our primary contest.  Some of the issues we're actually going to be talking about in general election, so there's a lot of pride in what he did and what his folks were able to accomplish, but there's also a sense of now, we're coming together as a party because the values that we share and even during the primaries, some of the differences between Senator Sanders and Secretary Clinton were not as big as when you got Donald Trump saying climate change is a hoax and you've got two other people discussing policy on how do we deal with climate change.  Those are bigger differences.

BARTIROMO:  But isn't it pushing her?  She was at one point considered sort of in the middle when her husband was president, obviously.

FINNEY:  Yes.  Actually, remember that when he was president, she was the lefty.  That was the concern.

BARTIROMO:  OK.  But is she much more of a lefty than she's ever been because of Bernie Sanders?  Bernie Sanders says Debbie Wasserman Schultz should step down.  Do you agree with that?

FINNEY:  I'm going to leave that to Bernie Sanders to comment on that.  I'm not going to comment on that.  You know, look, I --

BARTIROMO:  But it's all because of the emails.  This is not a crazy idea that the DNC is in the tank for Hillary.  And the emails, the WikiLeaks shows there was more support for Hillary than there was for Bernie.  And again, Sanders supporters are angry.

FINNEY:  I understand that but to push back on that is we ran a fair campaign.  We ran a very hard campaign and I don't want in any way, shape or form to take away from how hard Hillary Clinton and all of the wonderful people who worked on our campaign during the primary worked.  People worked hard and the bottom line is people came out, they stood in line, they wept to caucus sites, they voted.

And the numbers show that Hillary Clinton had 3 million more votes than Senator Sanders.  So, she won fair and square.

BARTIROMO:  Chelsea Clinton is going to speak on Thursday.  Will she be introducing her mother?

FINNEY:  Maybe.  We'll see.

BARTIROMO:  Let's just consider this -- gotcha.  Karen, good to see you.

FINNEY:  You, too.

BARTIROMO:  We'll be watching, of course, and wish you the best.

FINNEY:  Thank you so much.

BARTIROMO:  Karen Finney joining us there.

As the Democrats gear up for their national convention, Donald Trump and Senator Elizabeth Warren are refusing and resuming their feud in a big way.

Follow us on Twitter @MariaBartiromo, @SundayFutures.  We'll tell you about that when we come right back.

We're looking ahead this morning on "Sunday Morning Futures" to the next big convention right here in Philadelphia.  Stay with us.


BARTIROMO:  Welcome back, live from Philadelphia this morning.

The Democratic Party getting ready for a big week here in Philly this week with their convention.  Hillary Clinton making her first campaign appearance yesterday since announcing Virginia Senator Tim Kaine as her running mate.  The move coming just days after Donald Trump took aim at his opponent in the RNC convention speech.

Joining me right now is Karl Rove, the former senior advisor and deputy chief of staff to President George W. Bush and FOX News contributor.

Good to see you, Karl.


BARTIROMO:  First, your reaction to Tim Kaine as V.P.

ROVE:  Well, I won a bet with O'Reilly, who did not think it would be Tim Kaine, nor did he think it would be Mike Pence or Tim Kaine.  So, I'm looking forward on "O'Reilly" later this week about that.


But she operates as a creature of comfort, and she's comfortable around him.  She's been comfortable around him for a long time, and from a battleground state who speaks Spanish, those are very valuable things, but most important is she's had a longstanding comfortable relationship with him.

BARTIROMO:  How are they going to square off their position on it trade?  Hillary Clinton at one point was for the Trans Pacific Partnership.  In fact, she was among an architect of it.

ROVE:  Right.  Heralded it.

BARTIROMO:  She heralded it, exactly.  Then, she flipped, now she says she's against it.  Tim Kaine has been pushing for it.  He went to President Obama pushing for fast track.

ROVE:  Well, these are the tensions that between your political duties and your official duties.  He represents a state with a huge port, the Norfolk tidewater area has a huge port and depends on trade coming in and coming out, and so as a Virginia senator, you'd expect him to be for it.

But he is being Sanderized or Berned with an "e" rather than a "u", and this is all in response to the attacks of Bernie Sanders on President Obama's trade policies, and specifically the Trans Pacific Partnership.

BARTIROMO:  How do you think the WikiLeaks story will play out?  We saw the leaks, 20,000 emails hit the web and we spoke to Karen Finney about it. And then there's Ken Vogel, the reporter from "Politico" --

ROVE:  Yes.

BARTIROMO:  -- who basically shared his story before it was printed with the national press secretary.  He went ahead and showed everybody in the party and they made comments to it.  So, Ken Vogel --

ROVE:  He was checking in with maybe he thought were his bosses getting comments on it.  I thought Ken Vogel was very unprofessional as a journalist there.

I'll tell you what shocked me even more, the CFO of the Democratic National Committee is from Kentucky or West Virginia, unclear which, but he sends an email to the CEO saying if the people in Kentucky and West Virginia knew that he was a Jew and not a Christian, that might make a difference in the primaries.

Well, first of all, helping Hillary has a really low opinion of the mindset of the people of Kentucky and West Virginia.

BARTIROMO:  Thinks they're stupid.

ROVE:  Thinks they're stupid and says -- suggests appeal to racial bigotry might be a good thing and the CEO backup, yeah, interesting, rather than that's a really stupid idea, come and see me about it.  I want to talk to you about it.

BARTIROMO:  Unbelievable.  Maybe he's not Jewish, he's an atheist, doesn't believe in anything.

ROVE:  Even better, he says in my part of the world, Kentucky and West Virginia, being a Jew is almost as bad, is like being an atheist.


ROVE:  What that says about his mind-set and what the DNC thinks about the people of Kentucky and West Virginia is astonishing.  But to me, his CEO, the person who's in charge of the Democratic National Committee, reports directly to the chairman.  She doesn't say that was an offensive thing, come and see me.

BARTIROMO:  Karen Finney says she is not going to comment on it, if the DNC is in the tank for Hillary, and --

ROVE:  He couldn't read the emails and not know.  What's to be expected?  She is the chosen one of the sitting president of the United States.  You can expect the DNC to line up behind her.

BARTIROMO:  Will Sanders voters push back this week and not support Hillary this week at their convention?  What do you expect?

ROVE:  I'm watching for one vote.  At the end of the day most of the strong Bernie Sanders supporters are going to support her.  That's just the way that it is.

I'm looking for the vote on the proposal, the minority proposal yesterday to get rid of superdelegates, won enough votes in the rules committee to be brought to the floor.  Bernie Sanders has 1,879 delegates.  She has 2,811.  I'm looking at how much closer that is.  That would be a sign there's a lot of dissatisfaction with the Democratic Party as-is.

BARTIROMO:  Real quickly.  RNC, did they hit the high notes and get a boost?  You're a data guy.  Did the RNC and Donald Trump's speech get a boost in the polls?

ROVE:  We won't know for a couple of days.  The CNN immediate poll they took on his speech that said 56 percent of the viewers, and there were 29.9 million viewers, that's a big number.


ROVE:  Fifty-six percent said they were more likely to support him as a result of that speech, which is a good number.

BARTIROMO:  Yes, it sure is.  We'll leave it there.  Karl, thank you so much.

ROVE:  You bet.

BARTIROMO:  I know you were surprised he wasn't on the campaign trail this weekend.

ROVE:  Very surprised.

BARTIROMO:  Get back to work Donald Trump you want to say.

ROVE:  Exactly.

BARTIROMO:  Karl Rove joining us right here in Philadelphia this week.

Donald Trump setting his sights on California meanwhile in the general election.  Can he turn the Golden State from blue to red?  Congressman Kevin McCarthy will answer that next, as we look ahead this morning on "Sunday Morning Futures." Stay with us.


BARTIROMO:  Welcome back.

California is the biggest electoral prize up for grabs in the general election.  Donald Trump wants to win it, but he could have his work cut out for him because it's been almost 30 years since California has backed a Republican.

Let's talk about the chances in the Golden State with Congressman Kevin McCarthy of Florida, the house majority leader.

Mr. Leader, good to see you.  Thanks so much for joining us this morning.

REP. KEVIN MCCARTHY, R-HOUSE MAJORITY LEADER:  Thanks for having me on today.

BARTIROMO:  So, what do you think, California, how is the sentiment there, could Donald Trump take the state?

MCCARTHY:  Well, it's a tough state to win.  You got be honest, for a Republican to win and it's been decades.  But, you know, George Bush won the president and re-election by not winning California.  So, it doesn't determine whether you become president or not.  But the difference is, if you look at the crowds that Donald Trump has had in California, and even if you take it all the way up the West Coast, Oregon and Washington, other states that Bush did not win but Trump -- you look in the polling further up north, there is the possibility, but it's a very difficult state to win.

BARTIROMO:  And you know, looking back at the convention last week, he certainly tried to throw out some messages to the gay and lesbian community, for example, reaching out there.  He has said when it comes to minimum wage, let the states decide.  So, not so all the way to the right, maybe that helps him there.

Let me get your take, Congressman, on the differences in policy, because we're here in Philadelphia setting the stage from what we are going to be watching for the next five days here at the Democratic National Convention.  I want to get your take on the differences, in terms of policy.  What we may hear next week versus the GOP policies.

MCCARTHY:  Well, you're going to see a big difference because, look, Maria, we are going through probably around the world disruption, disruption in business, in politics, in civics.

And if you look at, you want to harness that disruption and make it for the positive and the good.  One thing about Donald Trump, he is listening and he has heard from the American public.  More than two-thirds of Americans believe we're heading in the wrong direction.

Now, Hillary is the very definition of status quo.  So, this is where the difference happens.  One of the biggest things America needs is growth, that's what you see from middle class, they're worth less today than they were when Obama took office.  Growth will solve so many problems for America, and that's where the tax policy comes in, gives the opportunity for everybody to rise, if we have a stronger tax policy.

Democrats are clinging to a failed foreign policy, a foreign policy under Secretary Hillary Clinton, designed in the process.  We're looking at a new way.  And if you look into the House, we actually came out with an agenda a better way.  So you've got a fairer tax system, one that brings growth.  You got a national security and a security at home, so we're safer, and we'll put America on a better track.

You look at health care, so much of the middle class's money is going to those broken promises that the president gave us, when it came to Obamacare.  We provide a health care system that you could actually afford and have choices.

Then, we look at what's holding us back for small businesses.  We're at one of our lowest point for new growth in small business.  I started my first business when I was 19.  I don't think I could start that same business today.  Regulations, we need common sense in that process.

And that's where Donald Trump is so strong, being a businessperson, understanding that, and look at the contrast when it came to the convention itself, the different faces, the new faces, the different walks of life that were up there talking.


MCCARTHY:  One of the things I've always said, the side people don't see is Donald Trump's family.  Those are amazing children.

BARTIROMO:  We saw that.

MCCARTHY:  And there's something about a man that raised some amazing children.

BARTIROMO:  Yes, they were all very impressive last week.  One similar thread is party unity or lack of, right?  So we know what Ted Cruz did last week in terms of refusing to endorse, out and out endorse Donald Trump.  And here we are this morning waking up to the story about WikiLeaks, with 20,000 e mails that basically suggest that the Democratic Party was in the tank for Hillary even before anybody went to the polls in the primaries.

What are you -- what can you tell us in terms of party leadership on the Republican side and your reaction to what we learned this morning on the Dem side?

MCCARTHY:  Well, it's another big contrast between both parties.  In the DNC, the chairman of the Democratic national committee will not be able to give a speech at the Democratic National Convention based upon what has gone on.  She has now been resigned to not even being able to speak at the convention?  It's what most of the Bernie supporters thought.

I mean, we all wondered, why did you have those debates at a time nobody was watching?  I thought they were going to have one on New Year's Eve or during the Super Bowl the way they were planning those.  You even had one of the directors in the DNC resign from the process of congresswoman, based upon the way being treated and wanted to look fairness.

Listen to what the Republicans said.  We believe in a big tent.  So we had ideas brought forth in our convention that maybe not the majority of the party agrees with.  We're not afraid of the power of the idea.  Why? Because we've been listening to the American people and we have heard them.

BARTIROMO:  Yes.  Real quick, Congressman, last week you said to me, you don't think you're going to lose majority in the House?  Are you worried about the Senate and the balance of power?

MCCARTHY:  Look, I'm not worried about inside the house.  We're going to fight because mainly of our agenda of a better way, a better way to rise everybody's boats, to be able to make sure that we have growth in this country.


MCCARTHY:  Looking at the middle class, that we have a health care system.  In the Senate, it's going to be competitive.  We knew that regardless who the nominee in the presidential. But the one thing you have found is --


MCCARTHY:  -- in our better way, our status quo, I think this agenda wins.  And having Marco Rubio run for re-election in the Senate has just made the Senate so much stronger for the Republicans keeping the majority.

BARTIROMO:  Yes, and it's interesting to see Tim Kaine now is Hillary's running mate.

Congressman, thanks so much for making the time this morning.  Good to see you, sir.  Thank you.

MCCARTHY:  Always, Maria.  Thank you.

BARTIROMO:  We will see you soon.

The Republican convention revealing some of the fractures within the party for sure.  So, as the Democrats prepare for their week in Philly, will they be able to unify?  We'll talk with Rudy Giuliani about that, and a lot more, when it relates to national security certainly -- as we look ahead this morning on "Sunday Morning Futures."  Stay with us for the former mayor of New York.


BARTIROMO:  Welcome back.  We are coming to you live this morning from Philadelphia, as the Democratic National Convention is going to be kicked off tomorrow over at the Republican convention last week, a lot of highlights of the divisions in the GOP, after long and contentious primary season certainly.

Senator Ted Cruz refusing to endorse Donald Trump during the convention, speaking slot that led to Donald Trump criticizing Cruz in his acceptance speech, as well as Ohio Governor John Kasich who opted not to attend the RNC.

All eyes now in the Democrats who are also facing pressure to unify after long primary season battle, and we see this morning, the WikiLeaks leaked of 20,000 email shows that there's incredible there with much of the Democratic national party of -- pushing Hillary Clinton the entire time over Bernie Sanders.

Joining me right now is Rudy Giuliani.  He is the former mayor of New York City, and he joins us right now in New York.

Mr. Mayor, good to see you.


BARTIROMO:  Your reaction to what we might expect this week come out of the Democratic National Committee and how it might differ from last week Republican convention.

GIULIANI:  Well, I don't think these Democrats have the same enthusiasm for Hillary as the Republicans did for Donald Trump.  I think a lot of them are Bernie Sanders delegates, a lot of them would rather see a much more -- what they regard as left wing candidate.  I can't imagine how you could be more left wing than Hillary Clinton, but they do.

And I think they're going to be real disappointed when they find out the vice presidential candidate has pretty much the same ethical issues as Governor McDonnell, his Republican predecessor, who was prosecuted, and had the case reversed by the Supreme Court just the other day.  He took $160,000 in gifts, which was kind of a record for anybody in Virginia, including free clothes and free trips and all the same stuff that happened to McDonnell and McDonnell got prosecuted and he's sitting there free and just like Hillary.


GIULIANI:  It's going to make the point that Donald made during his speech -- this is a rigged system, and Hillary and Kaine are right in the middle of the Washington insider rigged system.  They take money, they take gifts, they take things that ordinary people don't get, and Donald Trump is a guy who is the voice of the outsider.

BARTIROMO:  Yes, you make a lot of good points and, of course, another issue that will come up as national security, and just as President Obama said that Donald Trump's speech did not jive with reality, we saw another attack in Germany.  Of course, we're not connecting this to ISIS, but a lunatic killed nine people, eight of whom were under 20 years ago.

GIULIANI:  What we should also point out that BBC changed his name.  His name is Ali David Sonboly.  BBC, half way through coverage, took "Ali", his first name out.  The man's name is Ali David Sonboly, who is by background I believe to be Iranian with dual citizenship.

Now, I'm not say --


GIULIANI:  I think it's Afghani, I'm sorry.

I'm not saying that this is tied to ISIS, but what I'm telling you the press doesn't tell the truth about these attacks so people can make up their own minds.  You know, it's like Ft. Hood was workplace violence when the guy was yelling "Allahu Akbar", and most of your viewers don't know that on July 19th, five people were axed on a train in Wurzburg, Germany, by an Islamic terrorist clearly yelling "Allahu Akbar".

BARTIROMO:  Right.  And the president's reaction to all of this has been just -- really, a lot of people are questioning on the president having a tin ear.  I want to play you a sound bite of the president giving a press conference about the Munich shooting, and ensuring what sounds like a joke.  Listen to this.  I want to get your reaction.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:  It's a good reminder of something that I've said over the last couple of weeks, which is, our way of life, our freedoms, our ability to go about our business every day, raising our kids, and seeing them grow up and graduate from high school and now about to leave their dad -- I'm sorry, I'm getting a little too personal, getting a little too personal there -- that depends on law enforcement.


BARTIROMO:  Mr. Mayor, your reaction?

GIULIANI:  My reaction is, this is one where the president couldn't say gun control was the cause of this particular terrorist attack, Islamic or otherwise, because Germany has very strict gun control laws, and the Islamic killer four days earlier, the one he's never mentioned, not killer, attempted murderer, who axed I think his 13-year-old girl yelling "Allahu Akbar", he used an axe.

So, don't tell me this is about gun control, when it's about a president who is inviting these attacks and a secretary of state who set the path of weakness.  I have said --

BARTIROMO:  So, how will she separate herself this week, when no doubt, national security is going to be one of the most important topics out there?

GIULIANI:  She's part of the problem.  She helped create it.  She helped create the Iraq that's in chaos.  She helped create the Libya that's in chaos by getting ready of Gadhafi.  She helped create the situation in Egypt by overthrowing Mubarak which General Sisi is trying to straighten out.  She reset the relationship with Russia and that's going really well, Putin is pushing us around the world.  She did nothing about the expansion in the South China Sea.

There's not a single thing in the world that is better as a result of her being secretary of state, everything is worse and she can't point to a single accomplishment on national security.  So, I don't know.

I mean, they'll make up an argument, they'll say something.  They'll do the usual Democratic spin.  They'll hide Debbie Wasserman Schultz, because of her deputy's anti-Semitic treason memos.  I mean, if a Republican had done that?

If a Republican had done that, the "New York Times" this morning, that would have been the headline.  If a Republican had said, oh, let's take advantage of somebody either being Jewish or agnostic or atheistic rather than Jewish, because we could them either way, because in this particular state, maybe they don't like Jewish people and they don't like atheists.

If a Republican did that, me or any other Republican, they would demand resignation.  Instead they're going to hide here.

BARTIROMO:  All right.  We will leave it there.  Mr. Mayor, thanks so much for weighing in.  So, we appreciate your time.

GIULIANI:  Thank you.  All right.

BARTIROMO:  Thank you very much.

Rudolph Giuliani there in New York.

Let's get a look at what's coming up at top of the hour on "Media Buzz". Howie Kurtz is here.

Good morning to you.

HOWIE KURTZ, "MEDIABUZZ" HOST:  Nice to be here in Philadelphia.


KURTZ:  We'll look at the modest coverage of the hacked DNC e-mails and impact on the Democratic convention, the very positive coverage of Hillary Clinton's choice of Tim Kaine as a running mate.  We'll compared that with the coverage of Donald Trump picking Mike Pence, the Republican convention drawing mixed and negative coverage, all that and more coming up.

BARTIROMO:  And with what Rudy just said in terms of the gifts and stuff from Tim Kaine.  I haven't heard a lot about that.

KURTZ:  $160,000 in gifts that absolutely should be an issue, but it's kind of been left out of the stories, at the bottom of stories.

We've got Bill Hemmer, Martha MacCallum, James Rosen, Tucker Carlson and more coming up.

BARTIROMO:  All right.  We'll see you at the top of the hour, Howie. Thanks so much.

Meanwhile, WikiLeaks releasing bombshell emails sent and received by top Democratic officials.  Why they could mean big trouble for the Democratic convention this week.  We're looking ahead to a big week for the Democratic National Convention here in Philly on "Sunday Morning Futures" right now.

Stay with us.  Back in a moment.


BARTIROMO:  Welcome back.  It's been a jam-packed news weekend for the Democrats.

Hillary Clinton appearing for the first time with her new running mate, Senator Tim Kaine, ahead the convention here in Philadelphia and WikiLeaks releasing a batch of DNC emails alleging to show party leaders' favored Clinton over Bernie Sanders from the get-go.

One of those emails reading, quote, "Wondering if there's a good Bernie narrative for a story which is that Bernie never, ever had his act together, that his campaign is a mess."  We want to bring in our panel right now.  Richard Fowler, Democratic strategist and radio talk show host, Tony Sayegh, Republican political strategist and Fox News contributor, and rejoining us once again, Karl Rove, former senior adviser and deputy chief of staff to President George W. Bush and a FOX News contributor.

Good to see you, guys.  Thank you for joining us.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Good to see you, Maria.

BARTIROMO:  Richard, Tim Kaine, big announcement ahead of the convention. What does he add to the ticket?

RICHARD FOWLER, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST:  Well, what Tim Kaine adds to the ticket beyond the fact he speaks Spanish, which everybody is like is he going to speak Spanish?  Absolutely, he's going to speak Spanish.

BARTIROMO:  They're loving it.

FOWLER:  But what he does is he allows for Hillary Clinton to lock down Virginia.  He is very, very popular in Virginia.  I was a former Virginia delegate to this convention four years.  And he -- so that's what's going to be key for her to lock down Virginia on the delegate map and I think that's why he's a good add to the ticket.

BARTIROMO:  How bad this WikiLeaks leak, showing that the leadership, within the Democratic National Party favored Hillary from the get-go and blew off Bernie Sanders and all of his supporters?

FOWLER:  Don't get me wrong.  I think this WikiLeaks is quite problematic, right?  We're not a party that does this type, that has this type of behavior.  Hopefully, what we'll see starting tomorrow with Michelle Obama and Bernie Sanders speech, that will sort of disappear.  I know we come about the American family and talking about working families and making sure how -- helping them make ends meet.

BARTIROMO:  In fact, Tony, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, this is her convention and she's being told, no, you're not going to speak.

TONY SAYEGH, REPUBLICAN POL STRATEGIST:  Yes, and Debbie Wasserman Schultz was gloating last week during the Republican convention how much better organized they are organized and less drama would be occurring in Philadelphia compared to Cleveland, and here we are on the first day or presumptively before the first day with the chair of the Democratic Party taking herself out of the speaking line-up of her very convention.  I think you're already seeing that this is a rough and rocky start.

But what I think ultimately, Maria, is the larger problem here, is the star power alone of the Obamas, the bidens and of course the Clintons, is not going to be enough, I think, to take away from the fact that you have a lot of very dissatisfied Sanders supporters, still here in Philadelphia.  They have the largest amount of protest permits collected.

This Tim Kaine pick is certainly not making them happy.  They view him as far too moderate and centrist on energy issues and trade.  So, I think you are going to see a lot more drama than maybe the chairwoman had thought of.

FOWLER:  I don't know about that.  I got to tell you, I think what we saw from the Republican Party, where a former nominee is the major other nominee Ted Cruz not endorsing the nominee for the Republican Party, you're not going to find that this week.  What you're going to hear from Bernie Sanders tomorrow a strong defense of progressive values, a strong defense of the Democratic platform and he's going to bolster up Hillary Clinton.

BARTIROMO:  But he did say Debbie Wasserman Schultz should resign.  Bernie Sanders said that, Karl Rove.

ROVE:  Let's be honest there's no way to paper over the fact there's simmering disgust inside some of the Democratic Party about the treatment of Bernie Sanders.  When the chief financial officer of the DNC said, let's suggest because he's a Jew, he doesn't believe in God and the CEO to whom he addressed his email doesn't rebuke him, and something is fundamentally wrong with the DNC.

Now, smart of Debbie Wasserman Schultz to take herself or be told to take herself off the speaking over the speaker podium because she would have been booed by the 1,879 people who are there from Bernie Sanders and maybe some more on the side.  So, she avoided the public demonstration that there's disruption going inside the Democratic Party.  But they did not remove the problem they've got which is their party is being disrupted just like the Republicans are.

BARTIROMO:  Yes, that's a good point, because you don't want to get the boos in and showing your dirty laundry.

Let's take a break and then I want your take on what we saw last week and where Donald Trump Mike Pence go from here.  They're going to be really campaigning in a big way.  Donald Trump says the Republican Party is more unified following the GOP convention.  Is he right?  The panel responds when we come right back as we look ahead this morning on "Sunday Morning Futures".


BARTIROMO:  Welcome back.

Will we see drama this upcoming week at the Democratic convention?  No shortage of drama last week at the Republican highlights, including Donald Trump and Governor Mike Pence accepting their party's nomination.  But there were also some rocky moments including Ted Cruz refusing to endorse Trump which led to him being booed off the stage.  What was the overall effect?

The panel is back.

So where is the Ted Cruz situation at this point, Karl Rove?  Is it in the rear view mirror or still an issue for the party?

ROVE:  I think it's largely in the rear view mirror.  He succeeded in uniting the party.  Even some of the supporters, many of the supporters in Texas who are there as delegates were angry how he handled himself.  If you're going to be -- if you insist on being invited to give a speech at the convention, you got to fall in line.  And he didn't fall in life and upset a lot of people.

There is still a problem with unity among the Republicans but it's not as a direct result.

BARTIROMO:  I feel like Bernie Sanders will get in line.

FOWLER:  Yes, don't get me wrong --

BARTIROMO:  But his supporters might not.

FOWLER:  His supporters might have a chance and make their agreements on the floor.  But the difference here is this, what we saw in Cleveland was the sitting governor of Ohio, and we know that for Donald Trump to get to the White House, he has to go through Ohio.  John Kasich is sitting on his hands, he did not release his delegates and I don't think he's going to work for this nominee.

So, I think that's going to be problematic for Donald Trump.  What you're going to see here this week is you're going to see some professionals who know how to run conventions.  Leah Daughtry at the helm.

BARTIROMO:  They've done it a long time

FOWLER:  And they know what they're doing.  So, you're not going to see the mess that we saw at the RNC.


BARTIROMO:  The establishment.

SAYEGH:  Exactly.  I was going to say, it's funny that some still believe that these professional establishment campaigns will win in a very outsider year.  And, yes, there was some discord at the Republican convention and unity is in the eye of the beholder.  So, if you don't like Donald Trump, you can nitpick and say it wasn't as unified as it should have been.

But the net game was certainly unity and I would also add to it, expansion.  Donald Trump did not give as his keynote address a generic Republican stump speech.  He gave a Donald Trump speech -- trade policy, very unorthodox for Republicans, LGBTQ rights twice were mentioned from that podium.

BARTIROMO:  It's true.

SAYEGH:  He talked about infrastructure spending, and you had a room applauding on their feet, feeling the passion and understanding for a growing party.

BARTIROMO:  And we know after the RNC, 60 percent of those polled said they would vote for Donald Trump.  They liked the speech, and they liked what they heard at the RNC.

FOWLER:  And here's the thing, Maria, I think what people need to realize, that beyond what's happening at the hall, what these conventions are to see what the party is advocating, see what the party believes.  Leaving out of Cleveland, I'm not sure if -- besides Donald Trump's speech, the Republican Party didn't lay out a clear narrative.

Karl Rove eight years ago laid out a clear narrative when George Bush was running, 12 years ago.

BARTIROMO:  Well, the narrative, quickly, if I'm wrong, lowering taxes.

ROVE:  Look, there was a narrative, there was a narrative.

BARTIROMO:  Rolling back regulation.  Keep America safe, law and order.  That's what I took away.

ROVE:  The Trump slogan on that night, security, peace, prosperity.  That captured it.  It was ragged in getting there.

But that number you mentioned 56 percent of the CNN snap poll said they were more open to voting for Donald Trump, that's a historically good number.  Now, look, we can be critical and I'm one of them on how this convention came out.

BARTIROMO:  All the time.

ROVE:  But he gave a good speech that clarified in people's minds and his children and his wife did a magnificent job of sharing who he was.  There's a lot of room to go from here to the election.

BARTIROMO:  I agree.  Starting at the bottom.

ROVE:  We have two flawed candidates and a lot of undecideds.  We haven't seen this many undecideds since 1992.

BARTIROMO:  Since when?

ROVE:  1992.

BARTIROMO:  We haven't seen this number of undecideds, unbelievable.

ROVE:  The number of undecideds in July this year is twice the size.

BARTIROMO:  And Pence versus Kaine.

SAYEGH:  Well, absolutely.  I think Pence as far as his record as governor has a far better record as Indiana governor than Tim Kaine does.

FOWLER:  Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa.


SAYEGH:  Tim Kaine is a carbon copy of Hillary Clinton, a professional establishment politician with another established politician.

FOWLER:  One point here.  What Mike Pence is known for is the religious liberty bill which was awful and atrocious.  The American people will not forget that.

ROVE:  And Indiana he's known for creating jobs and growing the economy.

FOWLER:  I don't know about that.

BARTIROMO:  We'll take a short break.  One thing to watch for the week ahead.

"Sunday Morning Futures" right back with our panel.


BARTIROMO:  Welcome back.  I'll show you tomorrow on the FOX Business Network, bright and early, 6:00 a.m.

Final word from Karl Rove?

ROVE:  Next week, the thing to watch is how much they attack, do they spend more time attacking Trump or extolling Hillary Clinton?

FOWLER:  They're going to extol Hillary Clinton.


BARTIROMO:  All right, we'll leave it there.  Great panel.

That will do it for "Sunday Morning Futures."  I'm Maria Bartiromo.  See you on Fox Business.

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