What 'costs' can US threaten Russia with?

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," February 28, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: This is a FOX News alert. There's breaking news in Washington where President Obama is about to address the crisis in Ukraine. Ousted Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych surfaced today in Russia after a week on the run.

And we're going to go right to Wendell Goler at the White House with the very latest.

Wendell, bring us up to speed, please?

All right. Do we have Wendell? Wendell, can you hear us?


BOLLING: Wendell Goler at the White House, thank you. Bring us up to speed, Wendell.

GOLER: Well, Eric, the announcement came down maybe 15, 20 minutes ago, the president would speak to us here in the White House briefing room.
It came after Ukraine's U.N. ambassador announced what he called Russian groupies had seized control of the two major airports in Crimea.

Earlier today, Press Secretary Jay Carney had refused to confirm reports that Russian forces had seized control, not only of the airports but of a couple of the buildings in Crimea. Remember, this is an area that is predominantly ethnic Russian. Very much sympathetic to Moscow, perhaps even more so than to the government in Kiev.

So we're awaiting the president. His advisers, Secretary of State Kerry, national security adviser Susan Rice, have said that -- have warned Russia against intervention in the affairs of Ukraine, but there's been no indication how the U.S. might respond to it -- Eric.

BOLLING: Wendell, can you give us a sense of this resurfacing of Viktor Yanukovych, who after about a week on the run or so, he surfaced.
Where did he surface and give us some of the idea -- some idea of what the surroundings were around that?

GOLER: Well, he resurfaced in Moscow, Eric. Said he was still the legal leader, if you will, of Ukraine, though that is definitely not the White House belief. He said that he had fled out of fear for his own safety and that of his family, and gave no indication he was prepared to abdicate, though officials here say he has done precisely that by leaving the country at a time of crisis.

They say Ukraine's parliament acted lawfully in electing a transition government. It's that government the U.S. is working with along with NATO and the International Monetary Fund to provide Ukraine the money it needs to get through this period.

And as far as the folks here are concerned, he is no longer the leader of his country, Eric.

BOLLING: Do we know where he is? He's in Moscow --

GOLER: He is in Russia, some place in Russia right now, we believe.
He spoke first in Moscow. He may be working his way toward Crimea, which as I said, has a largely ethnic Russian population and is more sympathetic to Moscow than Kiev.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Wendell, this is Bob Beckel.

I -- the elections have been called back, correct?

GOLER: The elections have been set.

BECKEL: Set, right.

GOLER: They've not been held yet. No.

BECKEL: No, I said what -- I'm sorry.

And the second thing is, this talk about the naval base -- in the Russian naval base. Russian naval ships have been there all day long.
What's the -- I take it the news here is that they're in the Crimea with troops. If that's accurate, taking some building. But it has nothing to do with naval operations, their naval operations.

GOLER: The Russian naval base in Sevastopol is just essential to Russia. It's their only warm water port, if you will. So far as we understand right now, none of this is happening --

BOLLING: Hey, Wendell, I have to cut in. We have a two-minute warning from the president. He'll approach the podium in about two minutes or so.

GOLER: We do.

BOLLING: We're going to give it to Bret Baier. He's going to take it from here -- Bret.


As you have been watching the White House briefing room, getting ready for President Obama to speak about Ukraine and the situation, as these reports have surfaced of Russian troops landing in Crimea. This as the Ukrainian president, the former president now, Yanukovych, spoke today from Russia, as you were just discussing, saying he will still fight for Ukraine.

But the biggest development today, just within the past few hours, reports on the ground in Crimea that some 2,000 Russian troops have landed there. The Pentagon confirming that some 12 aircraft have landed at the airport there.

Earlier, there were -- there were soldiers there that were not dressed in Russian uniforms. They were in camo, but not in Russian uniforms. They had secured the airport, and then 12 aircraft landed, estimated about 2,000 troops landing in Crimea.

Now, the current administration, the authorities on the ground, as you mentioned, the election has been set that they are saying that this is an invasion by Russia.

Already, we've heard from the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, saying and teaming up with the president of the United States in this statement. We've heard warnings from Secretary of State John Kerry saying that Russia should not invade the sovereign space of Ukraine.

We've heard Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel speaking for the United States in NATO, saying this should be a time for caution and wise, diplomatic moves.

But we have yet to hear, until now, from the president of the United States on this situation.

President Barack Obama in the White House briefing room.


Over the last several days, the United States has been responding to events as they unfold in Ukraine. Now, throughout this crisis, we have been very clear about one fundamental principle, the Ukrainian people deserve the opportunity to determine their own future. Together with our European allies, we have urged an end to the violence and encouraged Ukrainians to pursue a course in which they stabilize their country, forge a broad-based government, and move to elections this spring.

I also spoke several days ago with President Putin, and my administration has been in daily communication with Russian officials. And we've made clear that they can be part of an international communities effort to support the stability and success of a united Ukraine going forward, which is not only in the interest of the people of Ukraine and the international community, but also in Russia's interests.

However, we are now deeply concerned by reports of military movements taken by the Russian Federation inside of Ukraine. Russia has a historic relationship with Ukraine, including cultural and economic ties and a military facility in Crimea.

But any violation of Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity would be deeply destabilizing, which is not in the interest of Ukraine, Russia, or Europe. It would represent a profound interference in matters that must be determined by the Ukrainian people. It would be a clear violation of Russia's commitment to respect the independence and sovereignty and borders of Ukraine and of international laws.

And just days after the world came to Russia for the Olympic Games, it would invite the condemnation of nations around the world, and indeed, the United States will stand with the international community in affirming that there will be costs for any military intervention in Ukraine. The events in the past several months remind us of how difficult democracy can be in a country with deep divisions, but the Ukrainian people have also reminded us that human beings have a universal right to determine their own future.

Right now, the situation remains very fluid. Vice President Biden just spoke with prime minister -- the prime minister of Ukraine to assure him that in this difficult moment, the United States supports his government's efforts and stands for the sovereignty, territorial integrity, and democratic future of Ukraine.

I also commend the Ukrainian government's restraint and its commitment to uphold it international obligations. We will continue to coordinate closely with our European allies. We'll continue to communicate directly with the Russian government, and we will continue to keep all of you in the press corps and the American people informed as events develop.

Thanks very much.

REPORTER: The forces in Crimea, are they Russian forces?

BAIER: A brief statement from President Obama saying that the U.S. is deeply concerned about the military movements of Russia in Ukraine, and the Crimea region, saying that any violation of sovereignty in Ukraine would be deeply destabilizing to the region. He mentioned the Olympics in Russia just wrapping up and saying that the international community stands together and stands against any military intervention inside Ukraine.

He said there will be costs for military intervention in Ukraine. He also mentioned that the vice president just got off the phone with the prime minister, the new prime minister of Ukraine, expressing U.S. support.

Critics obviously will point back to the president's statements about Syria and the red line that was crossed about chemical weapons. But now the U.S.'s dealing with an explosive hour-by-hour situation across the world, one that this president has his hands full with.

Back to you in New York.

BOLLING: All right. Thank you, Bret.

Let's go right to Jennifer Griffin at the Pentagon.

Jennifer, Bret pointed out something, I wrote it down as well.
President Obama from the podium just a minute ago, "There will be costs for any military intervention in Ukraine."

Any idea what that means?

JENNIFER GRIFFIN, FOX NEWS NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: Well, it's very interesting, Eric, because we have been talking to Pentagon officials all day about whether there was any contingency planning going on. We heard from the NATO supreme allied commander yesterday from Brussels, U.S. Air Force general, General Breedlove, who said there were no contingency plans on the part of NATO allies to do anything if Russia were to move troops into the Ukraine.

That is a statement that Vladimir Putin would have taken, would have heard, and would have possibly taken as a green light, if you will, to move those forces. We're not clear at this point, and the Pentagon is not confirming whether those forces that appear to have landed at the airport there about 2,000 troops, according to reports on the ground, whether they're Russian troops, but they are seeing military activity, officials tell us, in to and out of the Crimea, and reporters on the ground are saying that, in fact, there is a militarization of the Crimea, the Crimean peninsula right now.

The Russian ambassador to the U.N. spoke just moments ago and he said many of these media reports are wrong and that there were wrong media reports at the beginning of the First World War. That's in the Russian ambassador's words.

So he's suggesting pushing back on this notion that there are Russian troops on the move in Crimea.

However, we have from our own sources, some concerning reports that they are, in fact, Russian forces on the move, and again, what we're seeing here at the Pentagon, the chairman of the joint chiefs is here in the building. He's not over at the White House with the president who just spoke from the podium there at the White House. And there's no evidence of any military movements on the part of the U.S. or NATO at this point in time.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Hi, Jennifer. It's Andrea Tantaros.

Earlier, I was listening to you and you mentioned President Obama hasn't addressed this issue since February 19th. When I look at the similarities between Syria and this, oil comes to mind. If he could just get his hands on Middle Eastern oil, Vladimir Putin, and deliver it to Eurasia, he could gain control, even though Russia isn't arguably as strong as we think.

Jennifer, when I hear about the cards and Obama saying there will be costs, could you walk us through, what cards does the United States have to play?

GRIFFIN: Well, what's increasingly clear is that not only does the U.S. not have many cards because they are not willing to use certain cards, but the U.N. doesn't have any cards because Russia sits on the Security Council. So, they brought the issue up at the Security Council, but even a Security Council resolution on Ukraine and on Russia's any potential move by Russia to the Ukraine would be vetoed by none other than the Russians who sit on the Security Council.

Then, you also have NATO, which again, the defense ministers of all 28 countries were meeting for the last two days and there was no solid statement out of there about what they would do if Russia moved troops into Ukraine.

BOLLING: Jennifer Griffin, thank you so much from the Pentagon.
Thank you, Jennifer. We'll bring it back out here and throw it around the table.

Bob, you were getting very worked up.

BECKEL: I was -- my only point about what Jennifer said about the NATO members meeting. NATO has absolutely no responsibility to the Ukraine. NATO -- the North Atlantic treaty was put together to protect the member states. They are not a member state.

NATO is not involved in this. The U.S. could be involved if they want to. If they want to get involved militarily, I don't imagine they do.

BOLLING: But don't you think that's what she was talking about?

BECKEL: No, I think she was talking about, NATO has no options. NATO doesn't have the right to get in there.

TANTAROS: But don't you think a major goal of Vladimir Putin's was to take NATO and disarming nuclear defense, that was a major goal of Putin, and guess what, he got it.

BECKEL: One of the reasons Putin is doing this is the Ukraine has made it clear, at least for the oppositions now in power, that they want to join the E.U., and Putin doesn't want it, because it becomes the basis for him putting the old Soviet Union together now.

GUILFOYLE: I think it was clear from the president wants the U.S. to stay out of this, he was recognizing the right of representative government, that he would assist the Ukrainian people in creating a stabilized economy and situation, stabilize the country to move forward to spring elections, saying they have a right to representative government. I think that's where he leaves it at that, like this is not our problem to deal with.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: I think my guess is Putin's goal is a civil war, so he can come in and save the day. Mitt Romney starting to look really, really good. After all, he was the guy that said Russia was going to be a potential foe because they're looking for more. It reminds you that votes do have consequences.

When you look at somebody like Putin and you think, who would he rather be up against? You know, a McCain or an Obama? He's so happy how it turned out.

BOLLING: You know, I so much hope -- right now, it's a war of words.
That's what we are. We have a war of words going on back and forth, not only within Ukraine and Russia, but whether or not NATO, U.S. is going to get involved. Let's hope it stays that way. If it escalates more, then maybe it's a different story.

As of now, good news is that's about it.


BOLLING: Honestly, Ukraine has handled themselves pretty admirably.

BECKEL: Very reminiscent of the 1960s when the Russians had the civil war, supposedly a civil war, gave the Russians an opportunity to move in and take over. You're right, it's a pattern.

The problem is he's got one area of that country is Russian, the Crimean area. The rest of it, he slaughtered everybody. The Russian, Stalin, they hate the Russians in Ukraine.

TANTAROS: But we should be aware, this has long-term implications on a global stage, and the larger message is that President Obama and the E.U.
are losing and that Vladimir Putin is winning. That's the 30,000-foot takeaway.

GUTFELD: The other -- you know what it is, you talk about what is reminiscent. It really is the 1970s. We've got a Cold War, oil prices, bad economy, Jimmy Carter.

GUILFOYLE: Us against odds with Russia, over Syria, over Ukraine, and not on the same page.

BOLLING: We're going to leave it right there, guys.

GUTFELD: Sorry, Bob.

BOLLING: We'll be right back.

GUTFELD: I just --



GUTFELD: What a transition.

GUILFOYLE: You like that?

All right. Well, welcome back to "The Five."

We've got two crazy stories for you now, including this parents at an Idaho basketball game banned from cheering to their kids on the sidelines.



Well, we're going to get to that in a minute, but first, a federal appeals court has just upheld a California high school's decision to ban T- shirts with the U.S. flag on them. In 2010, officials at Live Oak High School in a suburb of San Jose ordered students wearing such students in
2010 to either hide the flag or go home, fearing they would incite violence with Latino students on the Mexican holiday of Cinco de Mayo.

Now, the court has ruled the school did not violate students'
constitutional rights by doing so. This is a very interesting case, but many legal experts think that the Supreme Court will not take this up, that this is settled case law, that this is -- this decision will stand.

Andrea, what do you make of it?

TANTAROS: I think the nation has lost its marbles. I mean, I really think they've gone crazy. There's no way these students do not have a constitutional right to wear an American flag on their shirt. Take the law out of it.

Last time I checked, Cinco de Mayo was a holiday, not in the United States of America. And so, if you want to celebrate Cinco de Mayo, great.
That's what the country stands for. If you want to wear the American flag, that's what we stand for, too.

And I think this lack of patriotism that we've gotten away from, it's caused us to forget why the country came about in the first place, all the people that fought and died. Now we don't know why that is.

And Greg and I were talking, why people weren't as interested in the Olympics. It just seemed like no one really cared. I think it's because the lack of patriotism isn't being thought like it was when we were in school. So, people aren't cheering on "USA, USA" because they feel shamed when something symbolizes the USA.

GUILFOYLE: It's almost like a bad thing. If you show or wear anything with pride, joy, for your country, Eric, you probably wear the American flag on your lapel, but isn't it a double standard if they're saying, can't wear the American flag shirt. Well, then, what about the Mexican flag shirt?

BOLLING: I'm curious, though. What happens on the Fourth of July?
Can a British student wear a British flag shirt? Would that be offensive to the American students so they're not allowed to do that either.

I think it's terrible. You wear what you want. You want to wear a Mexican flag on Fourth of July, knock yourself out. You want to wear an American flag on Cinco de Mayo, you have to be able. That's why our kids are getting shot to pieces in these foreign countries, to protect the freedoms to be able to do that.

GUILFOYLE: But, Bob, what's wrong with you now?

BECKEL: It's not really wrong with me now.

The judges ruled on the basis of the history of the school where there had on Cinco de Mayo been riots between Anglo and Hispanic groups within the school area.

Now, under California law, apparently, the school district has a right to make a decision to do anything that would avert confrontation. That's what they did. They did say you could do it at anytime, just during Cinco de Mayo so they could avoid a riot.

GUILFOYLE: Well, I'm glad you brought that up, because it's what's considered a heckler's veto. Because you're worried about thugs threatening to attack, you're going to ban the free speech of other people.

BECKEL: Not threatening, it has happened. It has happened.

GUILFOYLE: But nevertheless, Bob, how can you suppress speech based on a number, a few individuals in specific circumstance.


TANTAROS: The school is basically saying we can't prevent fights from happening so we're going to wave the white flag.

GUILFOYLE: That's not a constitutional standard.

BECKEL: If you knew there were 500 Anglos and 500 Mexican-American students who were going to be fighting each other, someone is going to get hurt, would you not try to do something to stop it.

GUILFOYLE: I would try -- I would try and provide a safe environment for people to express their First Amendment rights. I would ban the --


GUILFOYLE: -- ban the flag -- Greg.

GUTFELD: What Bob is saying speaks to the victory of fear over freedom. The freedom of expression is designed specifically for incidents like this when risk is involved. You're supposed to have this protection, even under threat of violence.

Every parent on Monday should put their kid in a flag, put a flag on their shirt, on their lapel, and send them to school. Not as a sign of patriotism, but as an expression of your freedom. And with that risk in place, makes that expression so much more powerful than any, anything you could ever do. This is wrong.


GUTFELD: Bob, it's just like the Katy Perry removing her -- removing the Islamic symbol. This is about jailing a filmmaker, because he did an anti-Islam film. We are changing the way we live out of fear.

GUILFOYLE: We're changing the Constitution, is the problem.

BECKEL: The Republican justice is on the appeals court voted for this. I assume this is not some of -- a Democratic liberal message here.

GUILFOYLE: All right.

TANTAROS: What message is it sending, though? If saying if you really care about this country and if you don't, you can intimidate by fear.


TANTAROS: So anyone else, they can just push our schools around, our courts around. It's a laughingstock.

BECKEL: I see what you're saying. But if it hadn't been for the fact of the history of it, then I think you have a case. But there has been a history. I think the courts made a decision. The school, in a right to avoid a dangerous confrontation.

GUTFELD: Then let's all create a history of violence everywhere and I could shot everybody --

BECKEL: You already do.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Let's get -- we have another good topic. We showed it in the intro.

Idaho school has silent cheer day. So, you're not allowed now to even express, don't even open your mouth, seal your lips, keep them shut forever. You can't cheer out of sheer excitement for your kids.

Eric, I imagine you get pretty loud in the stands.

BOLLING: Yes, that's crazy. This is America. You know, you go to sporting event, you cheer. You make more noise.

You make more noise than the other team, and that's great. That's part -- they're saying a quiet basketball game makes the kids perform better.

Are you kidding me? Give me a break. Look, it's the same thing.
It's the same thing.

Everyone has to be equal, and if they have louder cheerers, that's unfair to the team that has fewer people in the stands. Stop it. Let people win, let them learn how to lose. It's protecting, you know, losers.

GUTFELD: I think it's a great thing, but it's applied in the wrong spot. It needs to be applied on the White House press corps when Obama is speaking.

GUILFOYLE: OK. There you go. That's a good idea.


TANTAROS: I think this is going to come back and bite us because we're actually sending our kids out into the real world with no skills, preparing them for any kind of criticism at all. So, they leave school and go into the workplace and they're going to whine, what, when someone roots for hem to get a job over someone else, or someone is in their face saying I don't like you, they're going to run back and they're going to realize, hey, you didn't teach us what it was like to lose.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, they're going to be ill-equipped to deal with the real consequences of life -- Bob.

BECKEL: I haven't been in Idaho for several months, and been to actually a high school basketball game. There's nothing else to do there expect for Christmas, number one. But number two, they have -- the idea that they can't cheer for their kids. Look, I got thrown out of a soccer game, like a red carded, and I was on the sideline and a guy threw me (ph) out of the entire park.

I mean, what is this? When do referees decide who is cheering too loudly and who's cheering badly? I say screw them. I wouldn't let that happen.

BOLLING: You got to stay off the soccer field, though.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Can you imagine? There's a shocking revelation on "The Five." Bob got red carded, more than one reason.

Directly ahead, some jaw-dropping remarks about global warming from the co-founder of Greenpeace. You're not going to believe what you're going to hear from him.

Plus, NASA just made a major discovery in outer space. Could it be that we're not alone? Find out next.


GUTFELD: So, Greenpeace cofounder Patrick Moore had this to say about climate change on Hannity.


PATRICK MOORE, GREENPEACE CO-FOUNDER: I had to come out and express what I have been studying for the last 25 years. It is a judgment that humans are causing the warming rather than any kind of scientific proof.
We're spending hundreds of billions of dollars on a problem that may not exist.


GUTFELD: And then John Kerry said this once again about climate change in general.


JOHN KERRY, SECRETARY OF STATE: What I have said about climate change is it's one of the -- one of the two or three top weapons or instruments of mass destruction. This is growing in its urgency for us to respond to it.


GUTFELD: So, who's right? Both, neither?

The answer, as always, is science -- which calls for patience, reason, and a desire to be proven wrong. None exists among hysterics. You need to find the lukewarmers, those who resist panic and want to do what is right.

So, to find out who to believe, avoid these straights: exaggeration.
Panics are just that. Panic hysterics. Turn off the levelheaded, and worse, mask far deadlier problems.

Two, mockery over detail. Moore is right. More people died from vitamin deficiency than climate change, and cold weather is far deadlier than warm. Maybe that's why first world elitists resort to mockery.
Calling someone a flat earther is easier than doing your homework.

Third, a fear of criticism. We learned this week that there are 715 new planets. It's amazing but it's not surprising. The universe is unknowable, which is why we keep learning new things about it. But imagine if astronomers were like Kerry or Obama and said the science is settled about the nine plants we learned as a kid.

What would they do when faced with these new worlds, exactly what you're seeing now in the climate change movement, panic. The classic nine planets became eight when Jupiter was downgraded as a dwarf planet. I sympathize.

So, Bob, this guy, Moore, dedicated his life to saving the planet, he co-founded Greenpeace. But I'm sure you have something on him to disgrace him.

BECKEL: No, not necessarily. I thought it was Pluto that was downgraded. Are you sure it's Jupiter?

GUTFELD: What did I say?

TANTAROS: Jupiter is really big.

GUTFELD: Yes, did I say Jupiter or Pluto?

BECKEL: You said Jupiter.

GUTFELD: See, science is always changing, Bob.

BECKEL: The thing that strikes me about his rationale for leaving Greenpeace in the '80s was that it had become too radical. Now, I remember the founding of Greenpeace. It started far more radical than it is today.
They arrested a bunch of them. They went -- they shot guns (INAUDIBLE), so maybe -- I don't know what he means by that.

Secondly, I do tend to agree, and I have come around. I do think there is a lot more science that needs to be collected to make a judgment, but I wouldn't take a judgment about Greenpeace from a guy who left it under some questions.

GUTFELD: Go ahead.

BOLLING: The reason why he's pushing back on this, because he points out, there's a 30-year period, globally, that we raise the temperature about half of one degree. Then, for 40 years, we didn't raise it one iota.
And then there's another 30-year period where it went up another half degree. And since then --

BECKEL: That's what he said.

BOLLING: Yes, but here's the point. There's no science to global warming. And one of the most liberal, I guess you could call him liberal in the day when he founded Greenpeace, agrees there's no signs of global warming. When are the rest of you liberals going to come around and say, you know what? There is no science and we need more time and the IPCC maybe wrong.

BECKEL: The guy who made a statement that was dead wrong, now you're taking him as the consummate expert.

TANTAROS: But isn't he the best person to listen to?


BECKEL: -- radical and political.

TANTAROS: Isn't he the best person to listen to, though? It's like the person who escaped from the cult and then gives you the inside tips on the cult.

BECKEL: Why he left Greenpeace, I would be happier.

GUTFELD: He kind of explains it.

BECKEL: He said it became too political.

GUTFELD: But a lot of people left the green movement like Earth First because they got scared of the maniacs, the people who wanted to hurt other people.

But I wanted to get your take on this. When you lose somebody from Greenpeace, what do you do?

BECKEL: Shoot them.

GUTFELD: You can shoot them.

TANTAROS: I was going to say -- try to capture them and bring them back? I think this whole climate change is the Galileo problem, right?
It's science and power versus power, right?


TANTAROS: And Galileo kept trying to say I have the science, but everybody said we have the consensus.

So, Al Gore has a consensus. They just take a survey of their friends and they say, here's what we believe, and they demonize anyone who goes against it.

I think the details are very threatening to them. That's why they don't want to look into this more, but the answer is more science and more details to figure out what's happening.

BECKEL: There is a huge number of scientists who admit there is global warming.

GUILFOYLE: Right. But they also don't want to admit that they're wrong. They're just going to always pivot, and move to the left, and move to the right, try and figure out what they can do to hold ground because it's like filling the holes, it's like sinking so fast. And then you have the secretary of state saying this is a threat to national security. No credibility.

GUTFELD: They're like there's no other problems on the planet, and our secretary of state is talking about not even a fraction of a degree.

TANTAROS: While Ukraine is burning.

GUILFOYLE: Did somebody (INAUDIBLE) business card, oh, secretary of state.

BOLLING: Let's not forget, even if the globe is increasing in temperature tiny amounts, there's no indication whatsoever it's because of anything man has --

GUILFOYLE: And how many inches of snow again on Sunday. I mean, please?

GUTFELD: All right. Coming up, President Obama and Joe Biden breaking a sweat at the White House, so cute.

And Academy Awards are this weekend. Stay tuned for our Oscar pre- show, ahead on "The Five."


TANTAROS: So, are you one of the millions of Americans on the job hunt? Well, if you get an interview, get read ready to dig deep into your past, all the way to high school.

A surprising new report says some employers still want job applicants to give them their SAT scores, sometimes decades after they took the test.
So, should a test you took in high school trump your job experience?

Bob, in fairness, they're asking a lot of recent college graduates who don't have a lot of experience. But isn't this a bit ridiculous?

BECKEL: It's not only bit ridiculous. They're basing it on scores of the SAT and ACTs, which are flawed, bad way to decide where the kids should go to school.

"The National Journal" just reported on a story, they found kids with high SAT scores and they did not as well as, but less some people who did not have high test scores. So, I think it's ridiculous. If they went back to mine, I got the lowest you could get because I just all -- I did was checked them out and walked out.

But I mean --

TANTAROS: You put down C for everything?

BECKEL: I went A, B, C, D, on the first four, then ABCD like that.

TANTAROS: Greg, is it unfair to people who might be bad test takers or people who maybe had to go to the bathroom at the beginning of the SATs, so they got panicked and got nervous. I don't know who we could be talking about.

GUTFELD: Yes, I don't know why you have to bring that up here. It might be a request to shoo people away. It's like asking an applicant to wear face makeup or something. I don't know.

But, you know what, forget the test. We talked about this before.
The best people to hire are people who can work with people and take orders and respond to orders. Talk about the military, negotiating an IED is far more superior than acing an SAT.

BECKEL: They can negotiate and work well with people?

GUTFELD: No, I think -- no, I'm telling you, I'm just saying, people you meet that you work with who are in the military, that's the best barometer for employment.

BOLLING: The problem solvers.

GUTFELD: Yes, exactly.

BOLLING: They're put in situations where it looks like there's. No way out and they fix it.

Also, let me add another group to that, athletes. It's the same thing. No, no, for real. I hired a lot of people. I swear to God, the best traders on the floor were military people and athletes because they're self-starters, they're self-motivators. They don't rely on other people.

If they've got a problem, they fix it because if they don't fix it, it


TANTAROS: Any particular sport?

BOLLING: You know, basketball players are great. I'm serious.



GUILFOYLE: Better than baseball?

BECKEL: In the Gulf War, who did very, very well in business.

TANTAROS: I would think. Talk about discipline.

Kimberly, it's probably tough coming out of college because you just have references to go on for internships. Is it fair, though, for some of the firms like Goldman Sachs to ask for the math scores if they know they're going to be a number cruncher at maybe a hedge fund, or somewhere on Wall Street? Isn't that maybe reasonable?

GUILFOYLE: If they can tie it to some kind of, yes, like reasonable nexus to say, we want to see how good you are on math? Why not give them your own test. Instead of going back, maybe you learned a thing or two since the SAT. It was when I took the SAT, and LSAT, and my grades are far better than the standardized --

BECKEL: What did you get on SAT?

GUILFOYLE: I actually don't even remember what my scores were. They scale it differently now. I know I did very well in verbal, and my math score was not as good.

BOLLING: They changed it.


BECKEL: -- really high, didn't you?

TANTAROS: I don't like to brag.

BECKEL: Oh, yes.

TANTAROS: Up next, we'll celebrate Tinseltown's golden night with our Oscar pre-party, "The Five"-style. Get ready to have some fun after the break.

BECKEL: What did you get?


BECKEL: Academy Awards are on Sunday. As you can see, we're celebrating our pre-Oscar party already. Sometimes, celebrities make mistakes when they take the stage to accept their awards. I've got some tips for the winners to help them out.

One, don't be drunk or be on Xanax if you get the award. Two, don't ever say, "You're welcome." It bores the audience. Don't swear, unless there's somebody you want to get back at with the bigger people. And don't thank every person you ever know, including your Uncle Harry you haven't seen in 30 years.

Eric, do you have any suggestions?

BOLLING: I was just watching Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: It was really bad.

BOLLING: Going everywhere.

GUILFOYLE: Everywhere.

BOLLING: Everywhere. Yes. Just keep it short. When the music comes on, get the heck out of the -- get off the stage, will you, please?

TANTAROS: You know what I hate? When people get to the microphone they go, "Oh, my God, I'm so not prepared. I have nothing to say." How could you not be prepared? If my name were called, I could say I'm not prepared because I wasn't a nominee. They should all be ready to go.

GUILFOYLE: Right. And they have enough money to hire somebody to help them. Enough with the humble crap.

BECKEL: What would you say?

GUTFELD: First of all, I have to tell you in the break, Bob Beckel asked me -- and I swear to God, he asked me, "What is -- what is '12 Years a Slave' about?"

BECKEL: I thought it was...

GUTFELD: It's about being a slave for 12 years.

BECKEL: I thought it was trafficking underaged women.

TANTAROS: It's about a woman lost in space, Bob.

BECKEL: Really?

TANTAROS: No, that's "Gravity."

GUTFELD: I have no advice. Because I just started eating popcorn.

BECKEL: You don't have advice?

GUTFELD: There's a weird vibe to the Oscars.

GUILFOYLE: Where did we get this popcorn? It is so awesome.

BECKEL: What about you? What would you suggest we do? You've been up there before.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, right.

What I would suggest is you've got to be prepared and keep it short and simple. Be gracious and move on. Because otherwise, you hear the music and you've embarrassed your whole family.

BOLLING: No one cares about your agent. No one cares about your wife's brother.

GUILFOYLE: Kind of refuse (ph) permission.

BECKEL: Let's take a look at these kids. These kids re-enacted the Oscar ceremony. Let's take a look at this.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The top priority is to make us money.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How do I do that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have anything fun?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I apologize for what I did. I've been away for 12 years.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That's OK. We're glad you're back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is the only thing the producers were comfortable sharing with kids.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're going to build a casino in New Jersey.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm scamming all of you. That's great-looking hair.


TANTAROS: So great.

BECKEL: Everybody pick their -- give me a guess on who you think is going to get the Best Picture award -- Eric.

BOLLING: I think "Dallas Buyer's Club" was the best movie in a long time. "Gravity" was one of the worst I've seen in a long time.

BECKEL: What do you think?

TANTAROS: I saw "Dallas Buyer's Club." I liked it. I think it strikes the right political tone for those at the Oscar Association. Do not -- whatever you do, if you try this weekend to catch up on the movies, do not watch "American Hustle." Do not waste your time. It was like they were playing dress-up.

GUILFOYLE: I wish you'd told me that.

TANTAROS: Any good movie, if you take out Bradley Cooper, should be good without celebrities in it. Regular people ought to be able to play it. It was a terrible theme.

GUILFOYLE: Rolling his own perm.

TANTAROS: Like a high school play.

BECKEL: Greg, you're not going to get a pass on your normal jokes.
Pick one.

GUTFELD: I think Tim's premier should have been nominated for Best Documentary. It's a movie -- it's an action film about painting. There you go. It was directed by Teller from Penn and Teller.

BECKEL: How about in the Best Picture category?

GUTFELD: I can't -- I guess it's going to be "12 Years a Slave." I have a feeling.

GUILFOYLE: Do you really?

GUTFELD: I don't like really any of them.

TANTAROS: "Blue Jasmine" is really good, too.

GUTFELD: "Blue Jasmine" was terrible.

TANTAROS: You thought so? I loved Cate Blanchett.

BECKEL: All right. Are you done?

GUTFELD: Yes. I saw that.

GUILFOYLE: I'm rooting for "Wolf of Wall Street."

BECKEL: OK. That's the truth, "Wolf of Wall Street." It was a great movie. It was one of the first movies I've seen since "Seabiscuit."

"One More Thing" is up next.

GUILFOYLE: I'm so glad you said that.


BOLLING: Time for "One More Thing," and Mr. Robert Beckel, you're up first.

BECKEL: Well, Sunday is not only the Oscars. It's one of the big dates -- and I have something on my left side.

BOLLING: There you go.

GUILFOYLE: That's only part of the problem.

BOLLING: What was she saying about? And this Sunday is going to be my dear friend, Eric Bolling's, birthday. And Eric, happy birthday to you, buddy.

GUILFOYLE: Happy birthday!

TANTAROS: Happy birthday.

BECKEL: Make a wish and blow out the candle.

TANTAROS: Did you really think we were going to forget?

BOLLING: I was hoping you would.

BECKEL: I want you to give a comment.

GUILFOYLE: Is that a Hostess cupcake?

GUTFELD: It better be low in gluten.

BOLLING: Greg, you're up.


GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

GUTFELD: It's 18 days until this book comes out, and it was already last night No. 1 in the -- No. 1 and No. 2 in the Amazon political humor.

TANTAROS: How are you one and two?

GUTFELD: It was only for like ten minutes. So for more info on this book, and the book tour, so you can meet me at the book store, go to GGutfeld.com. I will be there, and I will say hello to you.

GUILFOYLE: I would so rather be No. 1, not No. 2, because 1 is better than 2.

GUTFELD: One and two.

GUILFOYLE: I know. I'm going right now. OK. Show the video. This is really cute. The "Let's Move" thing from the first lady, and you've got a little bit of Biden and a little bit of Obama. Watch them get their jog- a-thon on. They're feeling it.

GUTFELD: This isn't right.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: After a good workout, got to drink up.

BIDEN: All right.


GUILFOYLE: All right. Well, that was kind of cute, right? I like their stride, stretching it out.

GUTFELD: It was nerdy as heck.

TANTAROS: It was very "Boogie Nights."

GUILFOYLE: "Boogie Nights," yes.

TANTAROS: And people wonder why we're nervous about the situation on the global front.

GUTFELD: Exactly.

TANTAROS: I know it's happy hour right now, but before you leave this weekend, make sure to check your restaurant bills closely, even if you're a little soft, because a Florida restaurant has started to charge a surcharge for Obama care.

GUILFOYLE: You're kidding?

TANTAROS: No, this is outrageous. The Gator Group, Gator's Dockside in Florida is putting a surcharge in advance of what it estimates to be
$500,000 a year in an increase in costs from Obama care. A Los Angeles restaurant has done the same. So make sure to check your bills for that Obama care surcharge, because that is insane.

GUTFELD: At least they're telling you.

TANTAROS: We found that.


BOLLING: So -- so want to hear something really quirky? My "One More Thing" is watching "Cashin' In" tomorrow. We're talking about Obama balancing entitlement spending on the backs of the military, and the surcharge. The restaurants surcharging for Obama care on your bill. Out of control. It's crazy.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh. Did you take a bite? It's good luck.

BOLLING: Look at the full screen: #CashinIn trending five weeks in a row. Let's do it one more time. How about next -- one more time tomorrow morning, Saturday at 11:30.

TANTAROS: It's a cupcake.


BOLLING: Thank you so much for this.

GUILFOYLE: Happy birthday.

TANTAROS: Are you going to eat it?

GUILFOYLE: You keep looking better and more tan. Way to go.

BOLLING: Thanks.

BECKEL: I got you -- I got a present for you. It's a coupon for a place that I want you to go to.

BOLLING: Coupon?

GUILFOYLE: Can somebody call in a hazmat team for the mess that Bob has made here?

BECKEL: Well, Greg, do your thing, will you?

TANTAROS: Why don't you give your book to Eric for his birthday.

BECKEL: Got to get out of here.

BOLLING: We've got to go. Don't forget Facebook. Don't forget "Cashin' In" and everything. Don't forget to set your DVR to never miss an episode. Have a great weekend. Everybody is back here Monday.

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