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Watters: How family members handle Thanksgiving during COVID-19

Jesse Watters delineates the 5 potential dynamics of pandemic holidays on 'The Five'

This is a rush transcript from “The Five” November 23, 2020. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, FOX NEWS HOST (on camera):  Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino,
along with Dagen McDowell, Richard Fowler, Jesse Watters, and Greg Gutfeld.
It's 5:00 in New York City. This is The Five. Growing outrage over new
COVID restrictions as millions of Americans start gearing up for
Thanksgiving, and protesters even taking to the streets in California to
find a curfew there.

Los Angeles County announcing it will suspend in-person dining, and then in
Nevada, the governor is issuing a statewide pause for at least three weeks
with a stronger mask mandate and more restrictions. In Nashville, officials
are limiting gatherings to just eight people And Oregon's governor telling
people to call the cops on their neighbors if they violate the rules.

(BEGIN VIDEO TAPE)

UNKNOWN:  This is no different than what happens if there's a party down
the street and it's keeping everyone awake. What do the neighbors do? They
call law enforcement because it's too noisy.

(END VIDEO TAPE)

PERINO (on camera):  But could help be on the way? The company AstraZeneca
announcing its vaccine is up to 90 percent effective in trials, and Dr.
Fauci says all the upcoming vaccines can help crush the pandemic.

(BEGIN VIDEO TAPE)

DR. ANTHONY FAUCI, NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH:  Help is on the way.
Traditionally and historically, highly efficacious and effective vaccines
have crushed epidemics like smallpox and polio and measles. We can do that
with the vaccines that are going to be coming online.

(END VIDEO TAPE)

PERINO (on camera):  So great news about vaccines and great to have at
least three options are more are on the way. But before you get to that
point, Jesse, it looks like there's going to be more of these rules and
restrictions. Like, I don't think you would ever rat me out or call the
cops if I had more than eight people over over.

(CROSSTALK)

JESSE WATTERS, FOX NEWS HOST:  The price is right, Dana. You never know if
there's a fine involved for a reward system, I might pick up the phone.
There is a silver lining to these restrictions around Thanksgiving, and
that is there is more juicy family gossip going around. Families are
silently judging other family members for how they are behaving during the
pandemic.

So you have the one family that's chock-full the twenty-somethings, and
these people are high-risk. They are like out at the beach, they are at
bars, you know they are coming in, and they're going to get everybody sick.
You don't really want them to come but it's hard to tell them not to come.
If they do come, you put them at the kids table, even though they are 26.

And you -- if anybody does get sick, you blame that family member. Then
there's the family that just wants credit for coming. They will jump
through all these hoops to get there. They've been quarantining for two
weeks. They've got extensive tests done, and they want everybody in the
family to know that they will stop at nothing to get there, and so they
want credit.

You respect the fact that they're getting tested, but you kind of roll your
eyes at their theatrics. Then there's the family that is looking for an
excuse not to show up. These are the people that don't follow guidelines
anyway, but now all of a sudden they have to follow these guidelines, sure.
You are looking for an out.

Fauci gave you an out, and you are pleasantly taking the out. That's fine.
You didn't want to be there in the first place.

RICHARD FOWLER, FOX NEWS HOST:  Jesse, which category do you fall in?

WATTERS:  Oh, I'm getting there. Then there's the family -- more or like
the uncle or the aunt with the comorbidities, the people that have a lot of
underlying conditions but you don't really want to tell them to their face
they have these conditions. Like the ant that's chain-smokes and puffs, the
uncle that's obese and has a bad ticker.

Everyone is saying, you know, Uncle Joe probably shouldn't come but they
don't have the courage to say it to their face. Then there is the liberal
family.

PERINO:  OK.

WATTERS:  The liberal family is not going anywhere. You have to go to them.
But if you go to them, you can't fly. You have to drive. You have to get
tested. You have to get temperature checked before you enter. You have to
wear masks. You have to social distance at the table. And if you raise any
objections to these three conditions, you are judged as a super-spreader.

PERINO:  OK. And therefore, you are doing what?

WATTERS:  What do you think?

PERINO:  I think that you're going to be the most responsible, and a good
son, a good dad, a good husband. 

WATTERS:  I'm looking for an out.

PERINO:  You want to watch football. Dagen, it is -- we're talking in the
green room that a lot of these rules are not laws. They are the government
saying this is what we want you to do, but there is, like, no law behind
it.                            

DAGEN MCDOWELL, FOX NEWS HOST:  No, and the decisions are arbitrary and
draconian and made by politicians who are plagued with arrogant-induced
idiocy. Here's my favorite. I'm just going to open my phone and look at it.
This is recently -- this is on Wednesday. Restaurants and bars are ordered
in the state of Pennsylvania that they can't sell alcohol after 5:00 p.m.
until 8:00 a.m. on Thanksgiving Day.

Why is that? OK, when you're in a crowded people -- people are going to
stock up the liquor stores and then crowd into people's homes. There is no
rhyme or reason. And all of the restaurant owners and bar owners are waking
up to the fact that these politicians have zero idea what they are doing,
and they make it worse because they are so condescending and sanctimonious
about those very decisions.

Out in Los Angeles where they're shutting -- in LA County, shutting down
restaurants, the restaurant owners are, like, wait a minute. We've
installed thousands of dollars of this protective equipment and now we
can't operate at all? The American people, regular folks, understand how to
do a risk-reward analysis, a cost-benefit analysis.

They actually know, hey, these lockdowns are hurting our livelihoods, our
mental health, they're increasing drug and alcohol abuse. And the
politicians can't see that. The American people getting on planes, good for
you, going to see relatives, people that even hate the ones that will bring
this economy out of this malaise. You want it. You want to encourage that
behavior, not tsk tsk, shame shame them.

PERINO:  OK. And then we have Andrew Cuomo, Governor of New York. And Greg,
he's getting an award.

(CROSSTALK)

PERINO:  He talked about it today. Let's listen to what he said.

GOV. ANDREW CUOMO, GOVERNOR OF NEW YORK:  I wish I could say that my daily
COVID presentations were well choreographed, scripted, rehearsed, or
reflected, any of the talents that you advance. They didn't. they offered
only one thing, authentic truth and stability. But sometimes, that's
enough.

(END VIDEO TAPE)

PERINO (on camera):  Very humble, Greg, very humble.

GREG GUTFELD, FOX NEWS HOST:  So I guess that makes Chris Cuomo the smart
Cuomo. I always had it reversed. First of all, before I talk about Cuomo, I
have to say this about sometimes people unintentionally reveal their major
flaws. And Governor Brown revealed that she has no friends or neighbors,
because no person would ever tell you to call the police on your neighbors.

Because neighbors never do that, because you have to still live there. It's
not like you can call the police on your neighbors and say there are 17
people at their Thanksgiving, and then you're just going to move away. You
are there the day after Thanksgiving. And my God, you will pay. If a
neighbor did that to me, you will pay in ways that you don't even
understand.

There are things that I could do to your front lawn that don't go away, and
they smell so bad. All right, so to Cuomo, hey, just to show you that life
isn't fair. People think that we should always be striving for fairness.
It's good, but life is never fair. So you have one man that ushers in a
revolutionary moon shot in terms of a vaccine that's never been done
before.

And that will be a breakthrough that you can map all future vaccines on.
He's called evil, right. He's evil. Then you have a man indirectly
affecting thousands of people in restaurants, killing them. He wins an
Emmy. And one gets enmity and another one gets an Emmy. And why is that?
Because we live in a society that rewards and punishes only words and not
deeds.

So why did Chris Cuomo -- Andrew Cuomo, Cuomo whatever, win something? It's
about his performance, his words, not about what he actually did, because
what he did was horrible, absolutely horrible. Meanwhile, we punish Trump,
for what? Being kind of obnoxious, his words, but what does he do? Well, he
just ushered in a brand-new phase of vaccines and changed the world.

But those are deeds, and we don't reward deeds. We only reward words.
That's is why there is no real fairness in society, and it makes me sick to
my stomach. We deserve an Emmy. This show deserves an Emmy. This show is a
best on TV, and we still don't have an Emmy.

PERINO:  We do deserve an Emmy.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD:  Screw your Emmies.

PERINO:  You are exactly right. Now, Richard, there are comments and some
measures that can be taken to try to keep businesses open?

FOWLER:  Where to start? I agree. I think Dagen is right. There has to be
some equilibrium, though. I think we have to understand that we are months
away from possibly getting over Coronavirus. Right now in the status quo,
every state has an increase in Coronavirus cases. Hospitalizations are
through the roof, and that means we have got to be mindful as Americans.

We have to wear masks. We have to socially distance. We have to follow some
of these guidelines as the surgeon general said this morning, because it's
the only way we will ever get to a vaccine. As for Cuomo, I'm not sure he
should have gotten an Emmy. But I think it's worth pointing out that during
his press conference, for a lot of Americans, was the only information they
were getting on COVID-19 because they weren't getting it from the president
who told us to drink bleach.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD:  You are going to have to take that back. He never said --

(CROSSTALK)

FOWLER:  He said maybe you can try bleach or maybe you can use a light.

GUTFELD:  If you are going to make an erroneous comment, at least be in the
ballpark.

FOWLER:  Oh, what do you mean?

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD:  Did he say inject bleach?

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD:  He didn't. No, you got that from a reporter.

FOWLER:  No, he said it in the press briefing.

(CROSSTALK) 

PERINO:  I'm going to pull it up in the Google as soon as we break.

GUTFELD:  He was talking about future research and they were talking about
how it would be really good if there was a way to disinfect.

PERINO:  Yeah, it was unfair.

(CROSSTALK)

FOWLER:  -- any time a president is going out and giving conjecture during
a press conference, that's inappropriate.

(CROSSTALK)

MCOWELL:  Cuomo was killing our elderly.

FOWLER:  I'm not denying that, Dagen. I'm not denying that.

PERINO:  We need Kennedy's whistle. All right, Georgia on Joe Biden's mind.
The president-elect expected to make a stop there as control of the Senate
hangs in the balance.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

WATTERS (on camera):  Joe Biden going all in on the state of Georgia as the
fate of his legislative agenda hangs in the balance. Mr. Biden is set to
campaign for both Democrats running in pivotal Senate runoff elections this
January. GOP Congressman, Doug Collins, warning what's at stake.

(BEGIN VIDEO TAPE)

UNKNOWN:  Georgians need to realize the reason Democrats are flooding the
state of Georgia outside of (Inaudible) is because they want to
fundamentally change the Senate. They want to fundamentally to take away
the investigative powers of Ron Johnson and Lindsey Graham and others into
things that we know have been happening.

(END VIDEO TAPE)

WATTERS (on camera):  But this endorsement may not help candidate Raphael
Warnock. Far left Congresswoman Ilhan Omar backing a controversial remark
from Warnock's 2011 sermon, in which he said, quote, "nobody can serve God
and the military." Omar calling criticism of Warnock's comments a disgrace
and shameful.

All right, what do you think about the strategy, Dana, of kind of going
after Omar going after The Squad and kind of bringing them into this
Georgia Senate race?

PERINO:  Well, I think that the Republicans at the NRSC, the National
Republican Senatorial Committee, they like it when a Bernie Sanders says
I'm fully endorsing John Allsop (ph), like, great, we'll take that and run
with it. That is perfect. Also, you have a lot of celebrities from
Hollywood parachuting into Georgia, and nothing helps more.

(CROSSTALK) 

WATTERS:  They had actual parachutes.

PERINO:  Yes. It's a pretty big show that they have. And let me just point
out, for example, in Maine. There's like $40 million came in from outside
of the state. Spend money in Maine for -- to challenge Susan Collins. Susan
Collins ended up winning by 10 points. And on one of the things that people
said was that outside many irritated them.

They don't want Maine to change. And I don't think Georgians want Georgia
to change. And the worst thing that the Democrats have going for them is
that comment that Chuck Schumer made. First, we will change Georgia and
then we will change America. That's working in Republicans' favor. However,
it's very close. It's going to be a tight race.

WATTERS:  And I just saw a poll today that said that a majority of American
people want the Republicans to maintain the majority in the Senate because
they like deadlock.

PERINO:  Yup.

MCOWELL:  Right. And they're worried about what the Democrats would do in
the terms of getting rid of the filibuster and stack the Supreme Court and
states to the union so they can also stack the Senate. And that's not some
dream that was cooked up. That's actually been laid out by many people.
Throwing money around is always the sign of desperation.

Ask any woman who has been on a date with somebody who like is throwing
money out at this big dinner and you walk out and you are driving a bronco
too with rusted out floorboards. So you know that that's not good at,
number one. They only -- the Republicans only need to talk about one thing,
gun control. Say the word, two words, gun confiscation.

Because remember that Jen O'Malley Dillon meant talked when she was running
Beto O'Rourke's campaign, was talking about mandatory gun buyback. Well,
that's gun confiscation. And today, you did a segment because I was
watching your show about the Biden gun tax that's being floated. And if you
read into that plan, so it's $200 tax on weapons if you don't turn them in
as part of a gun buyback.

It looks like the way he was talking about it, it would apply to many
firearms in the United States. Nobody in Georgia, nobody in the south would
get on board with that.

WATTERS:  Can you guys stop trying to fundamentally change this country,
Richard? I mean, give it a rest. How much damage can one party do do?

FOWLER:  Look, we try our best. Let's talk what's actually happening in
Georgia. If you really think about why we are here, it's because of two
words, Stacey Abrams. Stacey Abrams, for a very long time, believed that
Georgia could be flipped into a blue state. Her -- and a lot of other black
women began to organize in suburbs of Atlanta, the new Georgia project.

And as a result, there's two competitive Senate races, and this is going to
come down to how the suburbs of Atlanta turn out in this decision, them
plus Savannah plus Columbia, Georgia will be the determiners in this
election. And while Republicans do have a voter registration advantage,
what Democrats have in their favor, they have momentum.

And they also have a huge base of Atlanta-grown celebrities who live in
Atlanta, Tyler Peary, Cardi B, 2 Chainz --

(CROSSTALK)

FOWLER:  And they're going to turn up their base. That's why Georgia
flipped in the first place, so --

(CROSSTALK)

WATTERS:  If they get both seats, Richard, you're not going to not be able
to afford Jordans. You know they're going to taxes --

(CROSSTALK)

FOWLER:  -- not going to be able to afford a third home. It's going to be
trouble. It's going to destroy the recovery.

GUTFELD:  You know, here's the deal. I don't want the Democrats to win
either of those seats. And I think it would help Joe Biden, because Joe
Biden needs a bad cop, right? If you have a Republican House, a Republican
Senate, and you have -- I mean a Democratic House, Democratic Senate, and a
Democrat in the White House, he's going to roll over.

It's going to be like a tank over a Twinkie. No, he's not going to stand
up. He needs to have the bad cop there. Having said that -- and I will get
to the real reason. I can't abide by attacking Warnock over the phrasing,
because basically what he did is traditional, kind of you can't serve two
masters boiler plate.

You know, he didn't just mention God in the military. He mentioned God and
money and God and man (ph). So it's one of those -- like, I want to beat
him, but I don't wanted to say he's drinking bleach, Richard, is what I'm
saying --

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD:  Anyway, so anyway.

(CROSSTALK)

FOWLER:  I will give you the point.

GUTFELD:  Thank you.

FOWLER:  And thanks for clarifying. It's from the Book of Matthew where he
was preaching from on that particular day.

GUTFELD:  Exactly. And I'm a little brighter than I look, just barely. But
you can't let Democrats have total power because they fight asymmetrically,
right? You know what I mean? It's like when it comes to labeling and
banning speech, it's only one direction. They are antifascist unless it's
Antifa. They are totally me too, unless it's Joe and Tara Reade.

They are against racists until Joe says you're not that black. And they're
against foreign wars until Trump wants to end them. So you can't trust them
to be like, like, a fair-minded in all issues because they are so
asymmetrical. You have to have the Republicans there.

WATTERS:  That's true.

GUTFELD:  Thank you.

WATTERS:  And Gutfeld has a matching salmon outfit going, the shoes and the
shirt, and a hint of salmon in the blazer. I want everybody to check that
out.

GUTFELD:  Thank you.

WATTERS:  Coming up, some familiar faces are reportedly joining the Biden
administration, why his latest cabinet picks are signaling a return to the
Obama era foreign policy, uh-oh, and an end to an American-first agenda.  

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

MCOWELL:  So long, America first. Joe Biden already well on his way toward
undoing four years of President Trump's accomplishments. Biden's transition
team is partying like it's 2008. He's stocking his cabinet with Obama era
relics like career bureaucrat Tony Blinken who will be Biden's secretary of
state. And that's not all. John Kerry is back.

He's going to be the administration's new climate czar. Greg, I am excited
to see what John Kerry -- what work he's had done to his face. But other
than that, I mean, he could destroy, I don't know, our standing in the
world in terms of energy dominance.

GUTFELD:  Well, Yellen (ph), Kerry is a spry -- I like when he's spry
because that means you're old. He's a spry 76, so I'm just curious what
Biden has against people who were born in the 1950s or up. Because
apparently, he's stuck in the 40s. And it's like -- here's the problem, and
I think people are going to figure this out especially the media.

Trump has spoiled it for everybody, because you just -- they are going
right back to the trough. The trough of the same names, the same insiders,
the same squalid bureaucrats that don't do squat. And they are back there,
and they just have to wait around. They're just waiting around -- for four
years, they wait around and write a few books. They do some consulting.

And then when a Democrat comes in or let's say a Republicans. They just
come back and they get another job. They hang out. They get to their
friends and eat at the fine restaurants of D.C. Trump exposed all this.
Trump hired outsiders, right? When he hired insiders, he got screwed. So he
taught -- everybody's eyes are open right now.

We see what's going on. We can't take this seriously, right? And what is
CNN going to do, right? You know what CNN is like? If Trump leaves, we
don't know that yet, but if he leaves, what is CNN like? CNN is like a
house that's put up for sale that a murder took place in. It's like no
one's going to -- oh that's CNN. That's the Trump place. What happened
there? It's really bad. It's the Trump place (Inaudible).

PERINO:  We are going to have to raise it.

GUTFELD:  We are going to have to raise -- it's like a house where a murder
took place and that's why they are selling it. And you can -- Trump could
buy CNN for a steal right now. Don't do that.

MCDOWELL:  Richard.

FOWLER:  Listen, when PRESIDENT-ELECT BIDEN ran, he said he would make sure
this cabinet looked like America. And from these announcements, that's
exactly what he plans to do. For the first time, a Latino man will head up
the Department for Homeland Security --

(CROSSTALK)

FOWLER:  He's more than qualified. A African-American woman with 35 years
of experience in foreign relations will head up the United Nations post.

GUTFELD:  Is she good?

FOWLER:  Thirty years of experience --

(CROSSTALK)

FOWLER:  We can go and on. But once again, what Joe Biden is giving you
here is people who understand how to run government. The number one problem
that Donald Trump had in the first year of his administration was a whole
bunch of folks who had no idea how to run the government.

GUTFELD:  That's why we loved it.

FOWLER:  But that's why the government didn't work effectively.

(CROSSTALK)

FOWLER:  And for the record, and to be fair, all of those individuals who
worked for him, they all have left and said he is horrible, including Rex
Tillerson.

(CROSSTALK)

FOWLER:  We could go down the list.

(CROSSTALK)

GUTFELD:  You're a liberal.

WATTERS:  He got off to a rough start because there was a coup. Remember
the witch hunt? That was the rough start.

(CROSSTALK)

WATTERS:  I like the difference between how the media characterizes these
picks of Trump. If Trump appoint somebody that he knows really well, the
media calls him a Trump loyalist. But if Biden appoints someone he knows
really well, oh, it's a long time adviser. It's very close confidant. And
the same thing with the way they characterize the guys' resume, Tony
Blinken.

This is what the Washington Post called him. They said Blinken is a
centrist with deep respect for institutions. He is there to rebuild our
global world order and has a reputation as a non-ideological consensus
builder. This is a hard news article. That's not an opinion article. So,
how easy it is to be a Democrat when you have the media writing press
releases for you like that.

I looked blank in myself and the guys for every single intervention in the
Middle East, he's soft on China, and he wants more and more refugees to
come to America. Now, that's not necessarily where the rest of the country
is, so I wouldn't call that centrist. There is a consensus that he has a
great head of hair and I will give him that. And that's a good jumping-off
point for me, personally. Right now, it looks like Greg is right, as usual,
Mr. Gutfeld.

GUTFELD: Well, thank you.

WATTERS: If this is a return to normalcy, to boring people, to people that
have done this for years, career diplomats, people in the Obama and the
Clinton administration, these aren't revolutionary ideas. They're not even
bright ideas that these people have. They're there not to rock the boat,
and then people else can get rich, while everybody else isn't looking.

MCDOWELL: We do know what John Kerry is capable of, Paris Climate Accord
and the Iran Nuclear Deal, which basically hands money and power to nations
that hate us. It's like here, take some of our money and then use it to try
and wipe us off the map.

PERINO: I think that they're not going to be able or even -- I don't even
think they're going to change things as much, because let me just tell you,
I think that, for example, NATO is now paying more than they were four
years ago. Do you think that Biden is going to say, actually, no, we don't
need that money? No, I don't think that's going to change.

I think that a lot of people on the left, including Bernie Sanders, like
the new approach on China. And I think that Joe Biden's eyes have been
opened on that. And I don't think that's going to change. I think the Iran
deal, how -- if there are going to go back into that, that's going to take
some really good communications to try to explain to the American people
why that makes sense when we've seen how they've been stymied and there was
something new.

So, I actually don't think that foreign policy turns quickly like that. I
think that a lot more domestic policy could change. And I would say that
Biden is content to be the antidote to Trump, right? He said he's going to
campaign as like return to normal guy. Everybody that he's announced is
somebody that has been already confirmed by the United States Senate.

There's a strategy there that like, I don't want to get hung up in maybe a
Mitch McConnell Senate. I want to be able to say look, you already approved
these guys four years ago, what's the problem? Try to check them off?

RICHARD FOWLER, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: I think that's right.

MCDOWELL: Yes. With Janet Yellen, especially, I'll steal -- I'll steal that
idea from Richard. Check out this incredible video. A man jumps into the
water to save his dog from an alligator. Greg's monologue on that when THE
FIVE returns.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GUTFELD: Talk about snatching victory from the jaws of defeat or a puppy
from the jaws of an alligator. Here's Richard Wilbanks in his backyard
caught on camera by the Florida Wildlife Federation plunging into a pond to
rescue his puppy from said alligator. He risked life and limb attempting to
pry the helpless mud out of the mob, the scaly monster without even losing
his smoke.

I'm sure when most people in the media saw this they thought, sure, he
might have saved that baby, but as smoking is no example for our youth. I
wonder who he voted for? But Rich doesn't even break a sweat or loses ash.
He deserves the Emmy not Cuomo. So, yes, this isn't, and animals are great.
It's more like a -- humans are great or maybe badass dudes from Florida are
great. It's about time they do get a bad rap.

So, what could this be an analogy for? Is Wilbanks a metaphor for America
trying to wrestle a stolen election back from the swamp, or is it Trump
trying to snatch America back from the jaws of media elites? They are kind
of reptilian now that I think about it. Or is the canine actually Joe Biden
and the reptile the far-left Democrats which is why we must keep the Senate
or Joe that sad puppy will be eaten alive. Or maybe the alligators just
peckish and the puppies lucky he's got an owner with a stones the size of
Mount Rushmore, right, Rich?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

RICH WILBANKS, SAVED PUPPY FROM ALLIGATOR: All of a sudden, an alligator
just came out from under the water and grab little Gunner and was heading
back in the water and was swimming off with it. It all happened so fast
that fortunately I didn't have a lot of time to think. I just -- the
instinct of saving Gunner because he's such a wonderful little puppy and
just won't go let that alligator have him.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GUTFELD: There you go. So, whenever you're thinking that you're not up to
the day's unseen challenges, think of this guy. I'm sure Willbanks wasn't
expecting to react that way to that event, but he did. Because he didn't
think, he just did. Not bad advice for all of us, especially me.

All right, I was thinking, Jesse, you must have an analogy.

WATTERS: I hate to do this, Greg. But that alligator was this big.

PERINO: Jesse.

WATTERS: It's a baby alligator. You're acting like this guy is -- this like
-- you know, he charged into the teeth of the German Blitzkrieg. It's like
a baby. And the puppy, like, pranced away like it didn't even get hurt.

GUTFELD: It had its jaws clenched.

WATTERS: You're making this fly out to be a little bit more than he is.
Yes, he rescued the puppy --

GUTFELD: Would you do it? You wouldn't have done it, Jesse.

WATTERS: I mean, come on.

GUTFELD: Jesse, you would let the dog die.

WATTERS: I would have rescued Rookie.

GUTFELD: No, you don't.

WATTERS: Rookie could have beaten up that alligator.

GUTFELD: I think we have an experiment this weekend. We're going to put an
alligator and your dog in a fence.

WATTERS: Let's not get too carried away.

GUTFELD: I think it was inspirational, Dana. I watched it 100 times.

PERINO: I think so. You know that I used to spend a lot of time in South
Carolina. And my biggest fear were the alligators walking by -- you know,
when you go by, and then like, they get the dog, and I would always say to
Peter, but what if an alligator -- and he's like Jasper is too big. It'll
never happen.

But it does happen. And this guy, I think you're amazing. I think you're
amazing. And Gunner looks super cute.

GUTFELD: Yes. You know, Rich, I once wrestled a pizza pie out of a dog's
mouth who have taken it off the table. And actually, people were thankful
because he only had his mouth on one slice.

WATTERS: It was a Chihuahua.

FOWLER: Listen, strong Richards come from Florida. You're looking at me.

GUTFELD: Yes, that's right. You're from Florida, Richard.

FOWLER: Talking about the analogy, the analogy sort of tantamount to me to
be -- well, I didn't realize how small the alligator was, and so Jesse just
pointed it out.

WATTERS: Yes, see? See?

FOWLER: But going off with what you said about the rifting about, you know,
could this be Donald Trump? Maybe the man -- maybe Richard is, you know,
Joe Biden and the 80 million Americans have voted for him ripping back the
hands of democracy, right, and the puppy is the democracy.

GUTFELD: Well, fair enough. I mean, I did do the --

FOWLER: And Donald Trump is the alligator, the little one.

GUTFELD: The little gator. All right, Dagen.

FOWLER: With little hands.

GUTFELD: They don't have hands, do they? Do alligators have hands? I should
look that up or not.

MCDOWELL: Feet, feet.

GUTFELD: They have feet. That's right.

PERINO: They have feet.

MCDOWELL: I know a lot about reptiles, sadly, because I have no friends.
This is the new test for anyone who's judging a future mate or partner.
Would you -- would you jump -- would you wrestle a puppy out of the jaws of
an alligator. And by the way, their jaws are still incredibly strong.

PERINO: And their teeth are sharper.

MCDOWELL: And so, it's very hard to --

WATTERS: That puppy just walked away --

MCDOWELL: Do he didn't. He was bleeding.

GUTFELD: He was saved.

FOWLER: His tail was like --

GUTFELD: You're going to get so much hate mail, and I for one I'm going to
cheer it on.

WATTERS: Because it's not going to you for the first time.

GUTFELD: Well, it's going to be like, I can't believe Jesse didn't care.

MCDOWELL: The puppy was bleeding, says Louise, Wilbanks' wife. And one more
thing, Wilbanks is such a badass, he said he doesn't want the alligator
removed from the pond or destroyed. That's part of nature and part of our
lives.

PERINO: Wow.

GUTFELD: I think it's --

PERINO: I wouldn't kill the alligator.

GUTFELD: I think we've learned a lot about ourselves and a lot about Jesse.
We learned a lot about Jesse and it's not very good.

WATTERS: I can handle alligators that size.

GUTFELD: I'm kind of sad. I'm sad. You know what? The other thing too,
though. You always have to eat -- what if your -- what if the dog is in
there, but somebody else is telling you to go in and do it, but they won't
do it? That's what drives me crazy, you know what I mean? When the woman's
going, get in there.

WATTERS: Why does it have to be a woman?

GUTFELD: It could be anybody.

MCDOWELL: You saved --

GUTFELD: It could be Pete Hegseth. Because you know what, Jesse, he is a
real hero. He's up next with this new book honoring our nation's most
dedicated heroes.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

FOWLER: Pete Hegseth has a new book out tomorrow called Modern Warriors:
Real Stories From Real Heroes. Pete joins us to tell us about the book.
Pete, welcome to the show. And tell me, what was the inspiration behind
this book?

PETE HEGSETH, FOX NEWS CHANNEL ANCHOR: The inspiration behind this book was
telling the real stories of real heroes in their own words. It's my book
but it's not about me and I'm barely in it. You get to go behind the
scenes, hear from their own mouths their fears, their anxieties, how they
overcame it, the pain, the sacrifice, the service of guys and gals who've
served since 9/11.

And when they sit down with me as someone who's been in some of the same
places, I think they feel a little bit more comfortable. It's raw, it's
real, it's not politically correct. One, you're going to hear hard truths
about what combat is really like and then how they transition back home.

So, these will -- these stories will make you proud to be an American and
it's time we start collecting them and sharing them. Because societies,
what we -- what we celebrate, what we honor is a reflection of what we
value. And these real one percenters, the men and women that have gone on
deployment after deployment put their lives on the line, are who we should
be learning from and listening (AUDIO GAP)

FOWLER: Jesse, next question.

WATTERS: Sure. Pete, before we get to the book, I don't know if you saw the
last segment. Did you see the size of that alligator?

HEGSETH: I do.

WATTERS: Are you on team Watters or team Gutfeld?

HEGSETH: I'm not going in that lake. I'd rather walk down the streets of
Baghdad than take on an alligator.

WATTERS: I mean, I didn't expect that, Pete, and it disappoints me right
now. But I'm going to let it slide. I'm going to let it slide.

HEGSETH: I'm telling you that animals are too unpredictable. They may be
great but they're unpredictable. I can deal with humans a little bit more.

WATTERS: OK, well, that was the wrong answer. But again, I will let that
side. I also respect the fact that you have a book out under your name that
you didn't write. And I think that's a brilliant move on your part. And I
wish -- I wish I could pull something like that off.

But in all seriousness, with all these stories put together, what in your
opinion was the most inspiring story where someone really stared down death
and got out alive?

HEGSETH: Well, each page is a story of that. This is -- these are Navy
SEALs, Rangers, Green Berets, bomb technicians dismantling bombs in the
middle of firefights. These are snipers. I mean, the story that really took
me was Nick Irving. He's an Army Ranger sniper. He was given the nickname
The Reaper because he was so effective at killing the enemy.

Every patrol that went out wanted him to be able to oversee their movement
as anyone would want. And he -- and he put the enemy in the ground, and
he's damn good at it. But then he came home and couldn't quite figure out
how to put the Reaper away. He had all these skills and was so effective at
it. And the transition is a big part of the book, too.

You meet my former First Sergeant from Iraq who's a total animal and a
total warrior, saved his company from an assault from Al Qaeda on his third
deployment, earned the Silver Star. Page by page are -- they're ordinary
people who get extraordinary training, then go to the most dangerous places
on earth, live to tell about it, have the humility but also the insight of
raw humanity, and it comes through in the pages.

You're right. I didn't write it. These are interviews. You're hearing it in
their first-hand words. And listen, I think we got him to be a little bit
more candid that people are used to, so you're going to get the real -- the
real story.

FOWLER: Dana?

PERINO: Pete, I don't know if you're able to see the first block, and I
just wanted to maybe ask you a little bit of the news of the day because I
know that you've been so involved in this protection of people and their
businesses when it comes to these lockdowns that are likely to happen
again.

And I mean, they've basically had to be their own warriors for their
businesses and maybe get a comment from you on that.

HEGSETH: Yes. I mean, fool me once, shame you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
And I think you're going to see a lot of business owners saying, this is my
livelihood, these shutdowns are draconian. And we know a lot more about
this than we did when we were asked, you know, eight months ago to do 15
days to slow the spread.

People are being crushed and you'll see more defiance and rightfully so.
Guidelines are one thing, mandates and lockdowns are another. And this is
America, full of free citizens with courage. And I think you're going to --
when the people say the curfew is over, the curfews over as we saw in
California. And I think we'll see more of that. You just can't take it.

FOWLER: Dagen.

MCDOWELL: Who are you most afraid of in this book, Pete? I'd say Jocko --

HEGSETH: Who am I most afraid of --

MCDOWELL: I'd say Jocko but --

HEGSETH: Probably Jocko. Yes, he was a Navy SEAL commander. He's a scary
dude. And he trained seals and (AUDIO GAP) deployment himself. Each one of
them though. I mean, you don't ever want a sniper to be on the wrong side
of the sniper, either. And you know Caroline Johnson, female fighter pilot
drop bombs on ISIS. So, it all depends on where you sit and what your
current assignment is.

But these are -- and you know what we did? On this show or any other, you
get sometimes only three minutes to talk to somebody who scratches the
surface. The show Modern Warriors on Fox Nation, you know, gets these guys
a couple of beers, get some comfortable telling stories, then you get the
real story under the story. That's what this book is. We went to the next
level. And that's when you realize how ferocious some of these guys are and
how much they love their country too, so I think both --

WATTERS: So, you got to drink and write the book. Amazing. Again, I mean,
unbelievable, unbelievable.

FOWLER: Greg?

GUTFELD: Hey, I wanted to talk to you. A lot of people don't realize this,
but you are covered with tattoos. And I know that you're due for another
tattoo because you get a new one almost once every two years. And I just
came up with a couple of ideas. First, I was thinking, a bald eagle ripping
a flag out of the hands of an Antifa protester as he's trying to crack the
Liberty Bell.

And then I came up with one that I think is really good. OK, so this. You
should tattoo the Pledge of Allegiance in Morse code. So, when someone
comes up to you and says, hey, what's with all those weird freckles? You
say, that's the Pledge of Allegiance, you communist, and then punch him in
the face.

HEGSETH: I'll go with number two, Greg.

GUTFELD: Thank you. You're going to do that, Pledge of Allegiance in Morse
code.

HEGSETH: OK. If I say I'm going to do it, I might have to. I got to see the
looks first though.

WATTERS: He's amazing with words.

FOWLER: Thank you -- thank you so much for joining us, Pete. You could pick
up his book anywhere books are sold. We'll be right back with "ONE MORE
THING."

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PERINO: It's time now for "ONE MORE THING." Jesse?

WATTERS: Congratulations to Nick Richards. He just got drafted by the
Hornets, pick number 42 in the draft. Recruited out of Jamaica in 2013,
played three years with the Tar Heels in North Carolina. He was actually in
"WATTERS' WORLD" many years ago at Patrick's school in Hillsdale, New
Jersey. We played a little one on one. He took me down on the post and
embarrassed me. I mean, I was wearing my jacket so --

FOWLER: He would have embarrassed you on --

WATTERS: You know, some people say I taught him all he knows but --

GUTFELD: He looks like he doesn't even want to be in this thing.

PERINO: How tall is he?

WATTERS: He was so humiliated to be in this package with me. He doesn't
even know who I am.

GUTFELD: He won't even fist-bump you.

WATTERS: He won't watch this.

GUTFELD: He won't even fist-bump you.

WATTERS: Yes. I think he hated me.

PERINO: How tall is he, Jesse?

WATTERS: He's like -- I think he was 6'11". And --

PERINO: I don't want a picture with that guy.

WATTERS: Well, I don't think you'd -- yes. That'd be --

GUTFELD: I'm sure he's thrilled that THE FIVE is congratulating him.

WATTERS: It's his favorite show.

PERINO: Congratulations, sir.

WATTERS: Sir.

PERINO: OK, I'm next. Do you remember back in August there was a terrible
storm and that tore through Iowa, it's called The Derecho, and it toppled
all these trees? Well, there was some good news. This Iowa preteen, he's
only 12, OK. His name is Tommy Rhomberg. And he's been using fallen tree
branches and logs to carve hundreds of handmade baseball bats that he's
been selling to raise money for Derecho relief.

Tommy came up with the idea on the day of the storm and happened to be his
best friend's birthday. So, he made the first bat for him as a gift. And
since then, he has carved over 200 bats and has a waitlist of more than 600
people, which is like -- isn't he amazing? A round of applause.

GUTFELD: I'm sure he's quite a hit in the neighborhoods.

WATTERS: Really going to bat for the community.

PERINO: He's very good, very good. Greg, you're next.

GUTFELD: I'm on deck.

PERINO: Your next.

GUTFELD: Greg's drunk squirrel news. Yes, another one of these. Take a look
at this little fellow coming home from work after a night out. He had a bit
-- he had a bit too much of a fermented pear. When you haven't fermented
pear, you'll know because you can't really hold your balance. Either that
or he was doing a Sam Bouken ghosts lager because we're doing shots, he was
(INAUDIBLE).

I don't like it when animals get drunk because they don't know they're
actually drunk. They just think they might be sick.

PERINO: Have you ever seen that with elephants?

GUTFELD: No.

PERINO: There's like a special fruit that they eat. And once a year,
everybody gets drunk.

GUTFELD: Great story, Dana.

PERINO: Thanks. I'll make some video tomorrow. Dagen?

MCDOWELL: Macy's holiday windows this season are dedicated to all the
essential workers here in New York, the first responders, the essential
workers, everybody who bailed us out earlier this year. But if you go see
the windows, don't crowd around because you know Cuomo's henchmen will show
up with cattle prize (INAUDIBLE).

GUTFELD: I'll be there.

PERINO: Richard.

FOWLER: Thanksgiving is Thursday and a group of entre -- black
entrepreneurs in Atlanta -- Decatur, Georgia are giving back by paying
people's Kroger bill. They spend thousands of dollars purchasing other
folks groceries for this Thanksgiving dinner coming up. And here's one
customer's reaction to this.

Maybe, maybe not. But anyway, Let's applaud these gentlemen for giving back
to their community thousands of dollars in free groceries to this
particular Kroger in Decatur, Georgia. Thank you for what you all do.

PERINO: Yes, that's really cool. I love it. I love the show. Everybody,
thank you so much, and thank you for joining us. "SPECIAL REPORT" is up
next. Do we have Bret Baier? Is it Bret? Hello, Bret.

END

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