Washington's schizophrenia over ISIS continues

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," August 27, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone, I'm Eric Bolling along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Andrea Tantaros and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is "The Five."

Yesterday I highlighted some of the bipolar comments emanating from the Obama administration with the regard to ISIS and the question still is, is ISIS a credible threat to America? The schizophrenia continues, last night Congressman Duncan hunter contradicted himself in the same interview.


DUNCAN HUNTER, CALIFORNIA CONGRESSMAN: We shouldn't have -- we shouldn't have -- have any more visas for folks from the Middle East, from this are who're coming over right now. We should say stop, time out, let's take a look at this, slow things down so we can make sure we aren't allowing people into this country that will then harm us. Isis in Iraq and Syria is not an existential threat to us. They're not gonna harm the United States. They're bad guys, yes, if you're there, a bunch of guys wearing pajamas pushing up logs. They are not an existential threat to us.


BOLLING: But it's not just Mr. Hunter who was a bit confused. Let's not forget America's top military man, Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel, just days ago warned in no uncertain terms how much of a threat ISIS is to America, while over the White House, Spokesman Josh Earnest suggest ISIS, eh.


CHUCK HAGEL, UNITED STATES SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: They marry ideology, a sophistication of strategic and tactical military prowess, they are tremendously well funded. Oh, this is beyond anything that we've seen.

JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: We are concerned about the threat that is posed by ISIL, but it is the assessment as stated by the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, by the intelligence community that there currently is not an active plot under way to attack the U.S. Homeland by ISIL.

BOLLING: So which is it? ISIS is the biggest threat we've seen or a bunch of guys in PJ and not an existential threat? It's not rocket science, fellows or is it? Maybe it is, just not the hard kind like in school. Shoot the damn rockets already. K.G., what do we supposed to do? We have three different messages coming out of the White House, coming out of DC.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: OK, ISIS is like a cancer with a vicious fast-growing tumor inside your body that's metastasizing to every corner of your being. What would you do about it? You would do everything you could to kill it, to take it out, cut it out, zap it, nuke it, radiation, chemo.
Anything you can...

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Medical marijuana.

GUILFOYLE: ...to get rid of it. They don't deserve that but yeah, if we are being kind. That's what I think you need to do. Why are they so skitsofrantic? I mean, the have no idea what they're doing, they're all over the board on this, I mean, messaging (ph), because they don't want to admit that they dropped the ball that they didn't see this coming or maybe they did and chose not to do anything about it.

BOLLING: Robert Beckel, the latest number we just learned this afternoon, we believe now 12,000 foreign fighters have joined and picked up arms for ISIS. Is it time?


BOLLING: Is it go time?

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: You know what I think? I think there's probably a little truth in all of this, because this situation has unfolded day by day. I mean, there now is the beginning of the coalition of people who are taking these guys on who are worried about it including the Saudis, and some of our European allies. Before they were rampaging through there, nobody paid attention to them. We could argue it was a bad call on their part. But right now, the world community is galvanized on these guys. I don't think they've got a prayer's chance in getting into the United States, because would anybody let somebody come into the United States with visa of that area?

BOLLING: Well they aren't...

GUILFOYLE: How about one like a passport from the UK? This is the point.

BECKEL: But if you're a -- certainly UK knows who has passports and went over to that area, right? There would be a watch list.

GUILFOYLE: I'm sorry to tell you that this guy was in the UK, and then he came back over. And that's why the U.S. is sending the FBI to go over to assist with security in the UK to make sure, because they've been too porous about letting people in that they should not. And a UK rapper just cut the head off of an American...

BOLLING: In case we have a flood of people coming over from South America and Mexico who we don't who they are. Hey, Andrea, so one of the issues is, we've -- President Obama says he's already done surveillance drones over Syria. Now the question is, to really go after ISIS you need to drop bombs on ISIS in Syria and you're not gonna get Bashar al-Assad to agree to it.
Do we go ahead and do that regardless of whether we get approval.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Why are we telegraphing that we're doing it?

BOLLING: The point.

TANTAROS: Why are we telegraphing our punches, which is what Admiral Pickering last week said specifically during that press conference on Friday, the United States of America doesn't do? And we haven't been doing it for that long because, remember, he didn't think they were a threat.
They were JV, so why would be surveilling people that we don't think of a threat. The mixed messages, I mean, my head is literally spinning. So you saw the -- the footage you played, Eric, Hagel saying there an imminent threat, then pickering during that press conference -- walking that back a little bit. Then Dempsey coming out trying to mitigate that and say well, no, we actually do think there's a 9/11 chance of a threat. So this is all the Department of Defense on different pages. Then we have John Mica, a republican, saying this has been a failure of intelligence not seeing the ISIS threat coming. Mike Morell over at the CIA has been saying this in an intelligence failure we've been warning the White House for years about this. So which one is it? Which one is it? When the CIA chief is on a different page...


TANTAROS: ...than the president of the United States and the folks over at D.O.D. and what's really troubling, Eric, is that Rick Grenell, the former spokesman at the State Department was outnumbered yesterday, and he said you know what, Andrea, this is all deliberately done. They are all deliberately on different pages, maybe not all of them, but he said, so that they can play CYA and cover their butts in case there is an attack.

GUILFOYLE: Plausible deniability.

BOLLING: There's a huge -- there's a huge issue. Does the Obama administration go, did they drop the bombs without congress? Congress is on holiday now. They're still on vacation.

GUTFELD: Yeah, I think they do. But you know where is this confusion coming from? It's the trickle-down theory, it comes from the top. And the reason why there's confusion is because there's a confusion in priorities. Right now we have an administration that believes that we should go to the U.N.
to name and shame countries over climate change. So they believe that global warming is more important than global terror which is like worrying about hiccups in front of an oncoming train. I have an idea, though, because we found -- we realize now that we found out that we have one American terrorist dead. And it gave me a great idea. We should start a terror abroad program where we actually pay your way to go to Syria or to Iraq and then we kill you. It's like skeet shooting. We launch them and then we kill them.

BECKEL: Your idea, let's think about this for a second, because there's a very big silver lining in this. Eric said 14,000 terrorists from around the world have gone there. There now is every major series of terrorist in that area that we can now identify.

GUTFELD: Exactly. It like a -- it's the world's greatest roach motel.

BECKEL: Right. It is right there.

GUTFELD: They're right there, so let's get them. Their big flaw is that they are grouping. They used to spread and now they're grouping. And we're getting it from every western country so they can't come back.

BECKEL: And does anybody really think those guys will be able to get back?


GUTFELD: Well they can as long as they have passports.


BOLLING: But here's the point, Bob, all along, here's the point, there are
800 from France, some other 150 from England, some from France.

BECKEL: And they know who the names are of those, right? The French do?

BOLLING: I don't know, no.

BECKEL: Of course they do.

GUILFOYLE: Bob, you're making the assumption they are not gonna enter illegally or the find the way like the easiest means of ingress to go in.

BECKEL: And you're not showing much faith.

TANTAROS: Look at what happen at the Boston bombings. I mean, our system can be infiltrated.


BECKEL: Oh, sure they can. They can and...

TANTAROS: Over a stalling error.

BOLLING: Underpants bomber, do I need to say anything more? He came from Nigeria, he was expected, they knew him, he wan on a terror watch list. He got here, he just couldn't figure out a way to blow his own underpants up.



BOLLING: This is how fast things are changing in the Middle East. Check out this picture from last year, last year, Senator John McCain standing with Free Syrian Army members, and now reports are out that legion of the FSA members have signed up with ISIS. So bring it around, anyone want this first? Now John McCain has vehemently suggested that those aren't ISIS members, however, those specific ones weren't. They were FSA Free Syrian Army members, and leaders of them have left to join ISIS, so that's the problem we have here. We have to be careful who we're helping, who we're arming.

TANTAROS: And yesterday I said this has been an effort by democrats and republicans and I specifically said that John McCain for this exact thing.
McCain has been one of these freedom democracy promotions, let's go over there, let's, you know, no matter who they are. Thank God we didn't arm the rebels in Syria. I mean, they're already driving around in our tanks in Iraq. They would be driving around in our tanks and our equipment in Syria.
And Bashar Assad, I mean, look, again, he's not a good guy, he's a bad guy.
We drew a red line with him, we didn't enforce it, now he's saying if you want to bomb ISIS over here you got to ask me permission first. John McCain really screwed up on that one. I remember him saying, yeah, I know these men, I know them well they're not terrorists. Meanwhile, they're launching their machine guns screaming Allah Akbar.

BECKEL: You know, let's remember as the change in scene there, almost daily, when there was a point that Syrian opposition was controlled by the moderate -- and most in military people who had left the Syrian army...


BECKEL: Wait a second. And then they lost the battle with ISIS, and they were driven away, and ISIS took over the movement of Syria. But when John McCain was over -- I don't want to defend John McCain, but he is over there, the people who were in charge were...

BOLLING: But that changes, Bob. The whole point...


BOLLING: You start arming the pre-Syrian army. You might be arming the next ISIS...

GUTFELD: Wait, wait, wait. Bob is right, though. And the -- there's a bit of media amnesia going on around here. There was support from the start for decisive action in Syria because experts had predicted a situation like this occurring if we didn't do it early enough. So we can't say now oh, it's so good we didn't do that. Because if we had done it, we wouldn't have ISIS, so it's ridiculous to say, oh, you know, they were wrong.

TANTAROS: Yeah. But when they were arguing to arm the rebels, Greg, that was a little bit too late. As the time...

GUTFELD: But it's early.

TANTAROS: No. The time was...

GUTFELD: There were moderate groups there.

TANTAROS: It was Petraeus, it was Hillary Clinton, they were actually calling to arm the rebels. President Obama ignored them. However, when John McCain took that photo and there was a real national debate about it happening, not in the war rooms and central command, it was too late then.
Al Qaeda was already there. ISIS was already there.

BOLLING: That was just -- to be clear, that's was one year ago, Bob. ISIS -
- hold on. ISIS has been...


GUILFOYLE: Meltdown, meltdown, meltdown.

BECKEL: Isis has been known...

BOLLING: For four years.

BECKEL: For a long time they've known about ISIS in Syria. For a long time, the central coordinating group of the opposition in Syria was made up of former Syrian military people who we're -- who we wanted to arm them, we didn't do it. Obama probably should have done it, we didn't do it. But the fact is, if we had, I think Greg's right, we wouldn't have an Isis, because ISIS was a small radical faction there.

BOLLING: I'm not disagreeing with Greg or anything but...

GUTFELD: Better not.

BOLLING: Haven't they -- haven't these idiot, these al Qaeda jerks has been around for the better part of, I don't know, 30 or 40 years? So who's to say that if we armed the rebels at the time that was gonna solve...

GUILFOYLE: This is the best proof we've seen so far. These are like top notch fighters.

BECKEL: These are the people -- by the way, they got gassed...

BOLLING: What are you -- my point is -- if they're so vast, if you arm someone who would make -- they may turn and fight for al Qaeda.


GUILFOYLE: I know, but does that mean don't do anything? Knock them out so nobody's left to fight. Do a leg sweep, blow their legs off, do something.
Don't sit here and go woe is me and all this nonsense.

BOLLING: Kim, but let me interrupt you (ph).


BOLLING: Daily Beast reports today that there was a national security adviser briefing last night with the president and the whole goal, the sole mission of that meeting was to, quote, convince one man, Barack Obama.
Point being, Intel community, military community...

GUILFOYLE: Pentagon, CIA, DOD, equivocator in chief, I don't know, we didn't check, check some poll. Not sure what to do, let me go knock on Valerie Jarrett's door, see if she's still awake. We don't have time for this. This is why people like James Foley are not alive because 30 days went by waiting...


GUILFOYLE: It's true. That's well documized, it was by the Special Operation's forces...

BECKEL: Oh, my God.

GUILFOYLE: No, but he had the chance and he was in there. The point is you can't hesitate because they are constantly on the move. Why is it so hard to convince him to do the right thing?

GUTFELD: I tell you, I think he's resistant, he's resistant to re-aligning his priorities to focus on a global threat, because once he does that, it's a nuisance to a greater aim, which is to transfer wealth around the world through climate change. That's the story that's happening now and he finds this stuff to be interfering. He doesn't want to deal with this. He'd rather take our money and move it over here.

TANTAROS: And remember his big argument, President Obama's, the argument was not to go after al Qaeda and go aster ISIS and go after radical Islamic jihadists. The argument was whether or not we should go after Assad for gassing his people. Every time we focus on the wrong thing, the thuggish dictator instead of focusing on the real enemy that's a direct threat to U.S. Security.

BOLLING: Can we focus on one-good-feel-good moment? They want me to end this block because this is so much depressing. Take a look at this today, watch.


PETER THEO CURTIS, JOURNALIST FREED FROM CAPTIVITY IN SYRIA: I had no idea when I was in prison, I had no idea that so much effort was being expended on my behalf. And now having found out, I am just overwhelmed with emotion.
I'm also overwhelmed by one other thing, that is that total strangers have been coming up to me and saying, hey, we're just glad you're home, welcome home, glad you're back, glad you're safe, great to see you. So I suddenly remember how good the American people are and what kindness they have in their hearts.



BECKEL: Let me just say one thing. There have been now reports of several countries where there have been people taken as hostages who have paid a lot of money to get those people back. The United States consistently refused to pay dollars to get these people back, including this guy. And it's paid off, I think for the United States. And Britain paid a lot of money, France paid $6.6 million for somebody.

BOLLING: Didn't we trade five terrorists for one Bowe Bergdahl?


GUILFOYLE: Yeah. But UN got him back.

BOLLING: Any thoughts, anybody, before we go again?

GUTFELD: I would say that the media has to stop trading the story line like a two week thing deal with special music and ominous graphics. This is actually long-term, it's not gonna be over before the parades, the Labor Day Parade. This is actually a forever thing. We have to start thinking that way, and we've been told that that the fight against terror will be forever. It's a whack a mole to infinity which you just accept it like the summer fair.


GUILFOYLE: ISIS will outlast President Barack Obama.

TANTAROS: And by the way al Qaeda released that terrorist the same al Qaeda that the president said was decimated.

BOLLING: All right. We will leave it right there. The IRS now admits it intentionally destroyed Lois Lerner's Blackberry after congress started looking into the targeting of conservative groups. Does the government really think it's gonna get away with that one? We'll be back in a smidgen.


GUILFOYLE: For months IRS Chief John Koskinen had led the American people to believe his agency did all it could to retrieve Lois Lerner's e-mails in the wake of the IRS targeting scandal.


JOHN KOSKINEN, FORMER IRS COMMISSIONER: In light of the hard drive issue, the IRS took multiple steps over the past months to assess the situation and produce as much e-mail as possible. I'm advised the actual hard drive after it was determined that it was dysfunctional and that with experts no e-mails could be retrieved was recycled and destroyed in the normal process. That hard drive was destroyed three years ago after it was irretrievable in terms of e-mail and it had nothing to do with this investigation. It's not as if any of these e-mails were withheld or not produced in a regular manner.


GUILFOYLE: But now the IRS is admitting it intentionally scrubbed Lerner's Blackberry in June 2012 after the congressional investigation began.
Investigators who have been searching for the truth are outraged over this latest revelation.


TOM FITTON, JUDICIAL WATCH PRESIDENT: Everything we've been hearing about, scratched hard drives, about missing e-mails of Lois Lerner, other IRS officials, other officials in the Obama administration, it's all been a pack of malarkey.

JIM JORDAN, OHIO REPRESENTATIVE: Every time John Koskinen comes in front of the committee, he says something and we thought we learn that he wasn't being straight with us.


GUILFOYLE: Well if his lips are moving I guess he's lying, he's just proved that because that's a criminal act when you intentionally say something that you know is untrue under oath and then later you get caught in the lie. So what should happen to him, Andrea?

TANTAROS: Well, he should be in jail. I mean, whoever destroyed the evidence should be in jail, Lois Lerner should be in jail. Destroying evidence is a crime, but she's actually on paid leave, I think on our taxpayer dollars. Cleta Mitchell who's an attorney for some of these groups that were, I guess, being targeted by the IRS, she received information, she was on our network and she said, I received information from a Department of Homeland security official that said, look, they have all this stuff on backup, the Obama administration is deliberately withholding it. It's time for some accountability. You know, I'm really bummed out. I don't think we're gonna get it, though. I know we talk about this. I know we keep pushing for prison, for some kind of accountability. It just doesn't seem they're willing to get there. And we're one of the very few news organizations that's still following this story.

GUILFOYLE: Absolutely. It's just that as if they can get away with whatever they want. I mean, God knows I destroyed a few Blackberrys, one in the hot tub, one in the steam shower because trying to get that -- not on purpose.
I mean, correct, no, no videos. Bolling, what should happen here?

BOLLING: So here's part of the -- it's a sad day when the head of the IRS can just go and lie in front of the American people, in front of congress.
It's a sadder day when President Obama can tell Bill O'Reilly that there's not a smidgen of corruption here when we now know -- we thought it before, now we know we have more smidgen, we have an oversized swimming pool full of corruption and likely he knew about it. Here's the problem with congressional hearing, though...

BECKEL: Oh, be careful of that.

BOLLING: OK. Let me put it this way, in my opinion, I think President Obama knew that this was going on. Is that better?

BECKEL: Yes. Yup.

BOLLING: Here's the problem with congressional hearings, though, you can raise your right hand, you can take the oath, you can lie to congress, the cameras can be rolling, you can lie to the American people, it can be held in contempt of congress, you can come back and correct the record and walk away scot-free. You're allowed to do that and that's what an average citizen is allowed to do. For some reason they are not deep -- who do it on the Hill aren't held the same standard that if you're lie...

TANTAROS: How horrible is that? You're absolutely right. If you didn't come up with a receipt that one time you would have been hogtied in New Jersey.

GUILFOYLE: Greg, is there gonna be any accountability or should we just set up like, I mean, an insane spanking booth on the Hill for all the liars that go in front of congress?

GUTFELD: In this giant dryer of tumbling scandals, the IRS is like the sock that always left behind because it has no titillation, it has no racism, it has no violence. And the media is complicit. That's the real crime in this, they destroyed evidence and they lied. The government did that, that's not a cover-up, that's a burqa. And the media is actually the burqa. They're covering it up through their inactivity. The only thing you can be guilty of under Obama is not loving him enough. And so if I were a criminal, if I were behind this, I'd be angry even I'm not getting the credit that I deserve. Is it, what do I have to do for the media to come after me, eat a live puppy on The Five, is that what I have to do? Because nobody is listening and this is huge. I mean, they lied about this.

GUILFOYLE: Intentionally lied and destroyed it.

BECKEL: I think people would not be surprised to see you do that. Excuse me. Just before we went on the air here, I just wanted to show you, those of you who always asking me about Kim, here's what Kim did for her block here. Can you see it? Bring it little closer here.

GUILFOYLE: That's normal.

TANTAROS: Bob, I like how you told us during the commercial break that you didn't wanna have to defend the Obama administration. That was a nice job distracting.


BECKEL: No, no, no. I think I'm with Greg on this. And I only give you facts.


GUILFOYLE: Bob's attention span. What can I say? Next on The Five, a whopper size maneuver as President Obama's favorite billionaire helps finance Burger King's great escape from Uncle Sam, Andrea has got the lowdown on the Buffett fast food fast one, coming up.


TANTAROS: Well, Burger King made a whopper of an announcement yesterday when it told the world it's gonna move its headquarters to Canada after agreeing to buy Canadian coffee and doughnut chain Tim Hortons, which I love. The fast food giant claims the merger isn't an attempt to dodge American corporate taxes but a lot of critics argue otherwise. And guess who help fund Burger King's bolt across the border? President Obama's billionaire pal Warren Buffett. Buffett's move comes just one month after President Obama called such inversion tactics like this unpatriotic.


PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: A small but growing group of big corporations are fleeing the country to get out of paying taxes. A loophole in our tax law makes this totally legal. And I think that's totally wrong. I proposed closing this unpatriotic tax loophole for good.


TANTAROS: Eric, so he says they're unpatriotic. Warren Buffett now making money off of an inversion when he said in the past, recently on other cable channel that he thinks inversions are crazy.

BOLLING: OK. So Warren Buffett finally saw the light because Warren Buffett's in the business of making money. They're not -- tax inversions aren't unpatriotic, they're not loopholes, they're what people do, it's what companies and people do. You find the place where you're gonna keep more of your own money, it's logical. The problem is democrats think that if they don't pay as corporations don't pay higher taxes, they're gonna have to make it up somehow by taxing the individuals more, and that's not the case.

There are other things you can do, you can expand business, you can spend less, there are other things you can do. Look what New York does, New York advertises for tax havens. Bring your business to New York, we'll give you one or two years or five years, something like that tax holidays. And that entices businesses to come so they themselves know, Andrew Cuomo, a democrat from New York, knows that lower tax draw business. Higher taxes push businesses away. At some point the feds are going to figure out.

President Obama, by the way, never ran a business, has no business being in the business or commenting on what's patriotic or unpatriotic in business.
It's tantamount to capitalism.

GUILFOYLE: I like this move. You know why? Because we need to learn.
We're get getting it. So you know what, Buffett? Go bang out the Burger King over in Canada, because maybe that can finally get the attention of this government that they have to stop having these punitive taxes that are so excessive because we're going to lose the business.

And by the way, we should. Wake up. Lower the tax rates, stop regulating so much so people can earn a buck and have some jobs in this country.

This is what makes me mad. It's obvious that something should be done. So wake up and do it. Why are you going to penalize this guy? He has a fiduciary responsibility to his tax holders to get the most bang for the buck. And shareholders, rather. To not have to overpay taxes. Right?
More money in their pockets. That's what he's doing.

TANTAROS: I actually think his point, when Warren Buffett weighed in on this, was it is crazy when you have a company that's going to jump through hoops and do all this crazy stuff to go overseas. They should be able to stay in this country, but instead they're running away from our economy instead of towards it.

And Greg, Democratic Senator Sherrod Brown, he's got a brilliant idea.
Let's punish them even further by boycotting Burger King.

GUTFELD: I -- I love it when people boycott something that they don't actually use. It's like -- it's like a politician will never boycott a limousine car service, even if their fuel is children's tears. They will never do it.

This is such a nonissue. You know, Hortons is a bigger company. So the little guy has to move with the big guy. That usually happens. And it's a bigger market. Canada is a bigger market for the combined company. And you always move where the bigger market is. That's common sense.

So the tax thing, the change in tax rate is really small. It's 1 percent or 2 percent. So it's not even an issue. But they will make it an issue.
They will make it an issue, a political issue, but it's not.

BECKEL: And the Republicans will make it a political issue.

GUTFELD: I didn't say that. The Democrats will.

GUILFOYLE: Those percentages add up.

BECKEL: The United States -- the corporate taxes, this guy has more tax loopholes where they don't have to pay taxes than they pay taxes.

BOLLING: They pay 27 percent, Bob. They pay...


BECKEL: Because the corporate tax rate in the United States, it's higher,
that's right. But they've got more loopholes, because they've got all the big corporate...

GUILFOYLE: That's why people move to Florida. People move to Florida.

BECKEL: Can I say one thing about Warren Buffett? Can I just say one thing about Warren Buffett?

Warren, I'm really sad that you have joined these unpatriotic sons of a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) who have done this. And they have no reason to do it whatsoever, except that I've noticed there's a lot of companies moving from Europe and ending up in the United States.

BOLLING: Pay more in tax than you have to is patriotic? That's patriotism?

GUILFOYLE: Yes. That's called dumb.

BECKEL: More than you have to? More than you should.

BOLLING: Yes. So that's patriotic: pay more than you have to or more than you should.

BECKEL: If it were up to you, tax would be zero.

TANTAROS: Bob, people and money move. People and money move. Kimberly mentioned Florida. When you create an environment that is very easy to foster growth and jobs and profit, people will come there. But they're running in the opposite direction.

BECKEL: How many companies have gone overseas? Just out of curiosity.

TANTAROS: Well, we've been talking about this with Pfizer trying to buy AstraZeneca. Now that is -- that is rich, because they pushed Obamacare on all of us.

GUILFOYLE: This is why I want to move to the W, Miami.

BOLLING: They tested the waters; it worked. They're not being penalized for it. This even though...

BECKEL: Haven't been around for Warren (ph).

GUTFELD: This issue is great for liberals and left wingers, because it allows you to point fingers at corporations, which are always evil, as opposed to evil people. Like you can't -- they would rather go after a large corporation than a terrorist group, even though corporations are actually decent people trying to make a living and terrorists want to kill you.

BECKEL: That's what Romney said.

GUTFELD: But they always -- no, they always exaggerate. They always say the threat of terror is exaggerated, while exaggerating the -- kind of the evil nature of corporations.

TANTAROS: Until they need...

GUTFELD: If they just flipped it they'd be right.

TANTAROS: Yes. Until they need a campaign donation from them. Then they're very willing to take a check from big business.

GUTFELD: Wouldn't it -- wouldn't it be great if the gas companies, the coal companies, the electrical companies, the food companies decided to have a strike, a one-day strike and just see how the government deals, the government made up of takers deals with the fact that the makers aren't doing anything for one day.

BECKEL: Here's a fact. There are more tech (ph) corporations under the Obama administration then there have been, with punitive taxes.


BECKEL: They do a great job. I give them credit.

GUILFOYLE: Get them to the podium, fairness, fairness, fairness.

BECKEL: The corporations get more tax breaks than anybody else. And they paid less taxes than they did because of the big corporate tax breaks.

BOLLING: So why would you drop -- why would New York and every other state say...

BECKEL: Because...

BOLLING: Come to Texas, come to Florida.

BECKEL: I'm agreeing with you.

GUILFOYLE: I want to go there, too.

BECKEL: It makes sense. You've proven to me -- I buy that. I buy that if you have a lower tax rate, it would make sense to go there. But you can do that in the United States.

GUILFOYLE: You know what? We've got to get it together.

BECKEL: You don't have to go to Toronto.

TANTAROS: We also -- we've also got to go.

Russell Brand is running his month again, this time spewing racist remarks about a black conservative commentator who appeared on FOX News. Greg's going to tell you all about it, up next.


GUTFELD: Yesterday I mentioned scruff bucket Russell Brand's attack on FNC's Jason Riley regarding his opinions on Ferguson. So what did Brand actually say? First, he called Jason a traitor to his black race.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jason Riley, editorial board member and journalist and also author of the book "Please Stop Helping Us: How Liberals Make it Harder for Blacks to Succeed."

RUSSELL BRAND, COMEDIAN: Author of the book "I Am a Convenient African- American Who Will Betray My Racial Roots for FOX News."


GUTFELD: Then he mocked him for not sounding black enough.


BRAND: Could he act any more of a Richard Pryor doing the voice of a white person? "Just bow down to authority at every possibility. Never confront injustice. Keep your mouth shut."


GUTFELD: Then he assumed Jason must live among whites, the traitor.


BRAND: Imagine he'll find support. I'm a white person. I'm outraged by this sense of betrayal.


GUTFELD: So apparently all blacks must live together. How open-minded, Brand.

So rather than debate, Brand smears the man racially, deeming him not black enough to suit Brand's stereotype. In Brand's world, a black person must sound black, act black, live in a black area.

Congrats, Russell, that makes you a full-blown racist, focused only on color, never on character.

Worst, Brand implies to young blacks that speaking eloquently is acting white, something that would earn mockery from celebrities like Brand. You better keep acting black or famous people won't like you.

This smear, that education makes you sound white, destroys black lives.
But Russell doesn't care. He's busy enforcing his own bigotry.

Later he compared Jason's words to violence, but would Brand call out actual violence, like his country's various beheaders? Nope. That takes guts.

But what do you expect? Brand is a victim of arrested development. He's just getting to that undergrad lusting for revolution phase. The dope just can't wait for the government to impose his version of utopia. He's a fashionable fascist, calling for an overthrow from a limo.

I'd say this is the worst thing Brand has ever done, but then again, I saw "Arthur."

GUILFOYLE: That was really bad.

GUTFELD: "Arthur" is a terrible movie.

You know, no wonder, Kimberly, Katy Perry says she doesn't need a man.
After marriage to Brand, who would want one?

GUILFOYLE: He's the cure, let me tell you. It's like, whoa, I'm staying away from that.

TANTAROS: He didn't even call her when he wanted a divorce. He texted it to her.

GUILFOYLE: Well, this is the kind of animal he is.

GUTFELD: Saves time. Saves time.

GUILFOYLE: Heartless. Yes, and he's such a hypocrite. This is a guy that lives in a multimillion-dollar mansion.

GUTFELD: Preaching revolution.

GUILFOYLE: Preaching revolution from the back seat of a limo, like he can relate and understand and then mocks people who are actually just covering the news and giving their opinion, because no one can give an opinion unless it's the same one he shares. Wow, open minded.

GUTFELD: You know what bugs me, Andrea? I -- ten years ago I used to love this guy. He used to host a show called "Big Brothers, Big Mouth" in England. Hilarious guy. But something happened, and I think it's arrested development. He developed fake intelligence that you often see in a freshman at college, where you think you have all the answers and you just discovered it. And it's so exciting and new. And everybody's going, "You're almost 40, dude."

TANTAROS: yes. That's why they call them sophomores. Because in Greek it means wise fool. You get a little bit of knowledge under your belt after you're a freshman, and then you're a sophomore. True story. True story right there.

I did not know who Russell Brand was until you told me that he actually had a career before he married Katy Perry.

GUTFELD: Yes, he did.

TANTAROS: I only knew he was, like, a drug addict, sex addict loser.


TANTAROS: And I never thought he was that funny.

BECKEL: Hey, hey.

GUILFOYLE: She's going to talk about you next!

TANTAROS: Don't take it personally. I'm not talking about you.

BECKEL: I know. Now he's doing what? Videos in the back of a car?

GUTFELD: Well, he's got -- he has a movie career, but although the movies haven't been doing too well lately. But he is actually -- he's a very funny, talented guy, but ideology has twisted his brain.

And again, it's something that will change with age. I think he's just got to -- he's got to read more.

Eric, the disturbing thing about this message is that he sees Jason as eloquent. Therefore, he isn't black enough. That might be the most racist thing anybody can think of.

BOLLING: I think you pointed that out well in the monologue. But I would agree with you that Russell Brand is a very talented guy, funny. I believe he's a musician, as well. He's a talented guy, but he turned angry at some point. At some point he flipped; some switch flipped in his mind. And he became angry. He's angry at FOX. He's angry at capitalism. He's angry at America.

TANTAROS: He got sober. He did. He got sober.

BECKEL: Really?

BOLLING: I will tell you, he has the same problem with America that -- there's another gentleman who has a problem with American exceptionalism.
He's repeated it a bunch of times. President Obama has been an apologist for American exceptionalism. Russell Brand is an apologist for American exceptionalism. I would say they're on the same page.

GUILFOYLE: Thank God you're reading that.


BECKEL: Point one is I now realized where the Wicked Witch of the East voice came from, No. 1.

And No. 2, his problem was that he spent too much time in liberal faculty lounges when he was over here. And I -- I think that's probably why he was corrupted.

I don't know who the guy is. I don't care. And I don't know who the other dude is either.

GUTFELD: Jason is a great guy.


BECKEL: I'd...

GUILFOYLE: He's on FOX. He's a contributor.


TANTAROS: Some of the things he was criticizing Jason for are things that I would wonder, would he criticize President Obama for?

GUTFELD: Well, yes, exactly.

TANTAROS: Does President Obama speak like a white guy in Russell Brand's -
- is he not black enough? Did he grow up around white people?


TANTAROS: Would he say the same things about the president?

GUTFELD: Of course he wouldn't.

BOLLING: I was going to say, he came after you, but he event went ahead and used the dog. I was drawn to watch it because of the dog.

BECKEL: Yes. He jumped all over Greg. Did you see that?

GUTFELD: By the way, Bob, when he dumped on me, he called my book, "Joy of Hate" hateful. Which he didn't understand that it was actually against hate.


GUTFELD: "Joy of Hate" was an ironic title. He didn't get it.

Also, I want to point to Bob, which I know you will agree, he came -- he was dressed as Osama bin Laden the day after 9/11, and you know what he did? He blamed that on his heroin addiction. But now he's sober and he's still a jerk. So he can't -- don't you get mad when people blame drugs for their behavior when, in fact, they could just be jerks?

BECKEL: Yes. What really happens is when you get sober and clean, a lot of what's really the truth comes out.

GUTFELD: Exactly. All right. They're yelling.

TANTAROS: It's up to you.

GUTFELD: Next, a fight on a plane. Over what? Over whether you should recline your seat or not. That's next.



BECKEL: That, I must say, is an awful song.

To recline or not to recline? That is the question we're asking tonight after a fight broke out on a United Airlines jet this weekend.

One passenger wasn't happy. The guy sitting behind her used a special device to block her from putting her seat back.

TANTAROS: Oh, my God.

BECKEL: So she threw a cup of water at him. The flight was later grounded. Let me ask you: has anybody had something like that happen to them here?

GUTFELD: I have a way to deal with it.

BECKEL: What's that?

GUTFELD: I think that this is wrong. I think that if you pay for that seat, you're allowed to recline on that. And everybody is able to recline except the last row.

But if you somebody -- if you find out that somebody behind you is doing that, you carry this. You always have a can of beans.


GUTFELD: A can of beans, black beans.

GUILFOYLE: And you eat them?

GUTFELD: If the person behind you locks their chair, eat this, and then allow nature to take its course.

BECKEL: That's really good.

GUTFELD: You get a small can with a slip (ph) top.

BECKEL: What do you do when somebody comes and really throws a chair back at you?

GUILFOYLE: As a Puerto Rican woman, I can vouch for the Goya. Meaning that they taste great, but I don't know about the intestinal problems.

BECKEL: I don't know about that, but has anybody...

GUILFOYLE: I actually don't like when people recline all the way back. I think it's super mean and also your seat goes back even further. If, you know, you're a larger individual, taller in stature and whatnot. So I feel guilty to lean back or recline. I really do. You smash people.

BECKEL: The last time you flew in economy was probably 40 years ago. Do they have...

BOLLING: No. That's not true, Bob.

BECKEL: I'm only kidding with you.

BOLLING: Here's the way...

GUILFOYLE: Bolling, you don't fly economy.

BOLLING: This is -- well, I don't anymore. But it's not a recent phenomenon.

GUTFELD: Don't feel guilty. You earned it.

GUILFOYLE: It's in his contract.

BOLLING: This is the perfect free market study right here. There's a need. People are ticked off that the seats are too close to each other.
There's a fix. This little device. The airlines hate the publicity. They hate that we're talking about it right now. So then they will fix it or they will pay the price.


BOLLING: It's capitalism at work. And I love the fact that we're talking about it and it's perfect.

BECKEL: Andrea, you've been hit from the front seat?

TANTAROS: By a chair?

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

TANTAROS: No. If someone did that to me and tried to prevent me from reclining, I'd be wearing orange.

BECKEL: OK. Well, let me just put it this way, the airlines allowed this
thing to take place. But this is a classic example of airlines. They've got a lot of passengers. They're stuffing people in. They're making less and less room so they can make more and more money. And people get sicker and sicker, and their knees get worse. Congratulations.

I don't have anything against corporations, only corporations that try and get -- make more money on the backs of people who have arthritic problems like me.

BOLLING: Watch what happens, Bob...


BOLLING: ... the airlines that come on, we're going to add.

TANTAROS: They have economy plus.

BOLLING: Right, right.

BECKEL: That's a big scam, too. Economy plus. Sure, give me...

TANTAROS: Then fly Spirit Airlines if you want to be packed in like a sardine.

BECKEL: I don't. I don't want to do that.

GUILFOYLE: Bob takes the train.

GUTFELD: Talk about bus travel. The Greyhound is doing a lot of great work.

BECKEL: All right.

GUILFOYLE: The train. He takes the train.

BECKEL: "One More Thing" is up next.


BOLLING: Time for "One More Thing." K.G., you're first.

GUILFOYLE: OK. I have a very happy story that came out of immense tragedy. And this was out of the Boston bombings.

There was a young man by the name of James Costello, who is coming out after being blown up. His legs were on fire. He recovered with the help of an amazing nurse in rehab who he fell in love with, proposed, both 31 years of age. There they are on their wedding day.

And so he said he's so sorry that this happened, that anybody was injured and hurt during this terrible ordeal, but he found his true love of his life. And there they are, James Costello and Krista D'Agostino.

BOLLING: Very nice.

A.T., you're up.

TANTAROS: OK. I am no fan of New York State Governor Andrew Cuomo.
However, this is very interesting. You know something is afoot when "The New York times" does not endorse a sitting governor in its state.

They say that, quote, "Governor Cuomo's failure on ethics reform hinders an endorsement," according to the editorial board. Which he has had some shady ethics, no doubt.

But isn't it interesting? Do you think maybe they could be doing the bidding of -- oh, I don't know -- Hillary Clinton to take out somebody who could potentially be a dark horse for 2016? I do.

Also, very, very shady that Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey had said he's not going to devote resources to help Republican Rob Astorino in New York? Why, Governor Chris Christie, when you head the Republican Governors Association, will you not support the Republican, running without a primary? Are you covering for Governor Andrew Cuomo? I hope not.

BOLLING: All right. Greg, you're up, my man.

GUTFELD: It is time for...


GUTFELD: Greg's Secrets to Happiness.

Happiness, happiness, happiness.


GUTFELD: Roll it! Come on! There it is. Check this out. It's a chipmunk. Chipmunk is eating almonds. Look at its cheeks. Cheeks are getting huge. Look at how fat his cheeks are. They're about to burst.

Look, the secret to happiness, little chipmunk, don't rush it. Slow down.
Enjoy it. You're not even tasting the food you're eating. And you might choke. The secret to life is to savor every moment. Wait! Come back.
Have some more. There you go. That's my secret to happiness.

GUILFOYLE: That looks like us in the green room.

BOLLING: all right. They want me to move it along very quickly. "Tyrant"
last night, love the series, was the final episode, some great stuff.
Here's a little taste of the episode. Watch. No spoilers.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I gave you a second chance to love me.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You do not get to use that word.


BOLLING: OK. Very quickly but something caught my eye. Roll that videotape right there. Watch this. This is in the U.S. embassy. That's the ambassador to this country. But check out the flag. Look at the flag.
The flag is flown upside-down. "Tyrant" producers...

BECKEL: Terrible.

BOLLING: ... what are you doing? What are you trying to tell us? I need to know. They haven't announced a second season yet, but I've got to know.

All right, Bob, you're up.

BECKEL: Lieutenant Alonzo Cushing from the Union Army, who was at Gettysburg, held off a stand on Cemetery Ridge with 110 people and 6 cannons, and there were 15,000 Confederates coming at you. He just got awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor.

And I'll give you one other piece of advice: Mitt Romney will announce that he's going to run for president.





BOLLING: Bob predicted it.


BOLLING: Set your DVRs so you'll never miss an episode of "The Five."
"Special Report" on deck. See you.

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