This is a rush transcript from "The Five," September 2, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: ISIS appears to have beheaded another U.S. journalist, Steven Sotloff who went missing in Syria last year. The terror network release a new video, it calls a second message to America. It shows 31-year-old Sotloff being held at knife point by another mass executioner with a British accent, perhaps the same one as the Foley murder. The administration has not confirmed yet whether the video is authentic. And Fox News James Rosen asked the State Department today if the United States is at war with ISIS.
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JAMES ROSEN, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Does the Obama administration consider this an act of war?
JEN PSAKI, STATE DEPARTMENT SPOKESWOMAN: We certainly -- I'm not is going to put new labels on it, James.
ROSEN: Is there any doubt on your part or the part of this administration that in fact the United States is at war with ISIS.
PSAKI: I'm not to, again, put new labels on it.
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PERINO: Fox's Catherine Herridge has watched the video. She said the executioner directly mentions President Obama by name and she joins us now. Catherine, I know that must not have been an easy video to watch but important for somebody like you a journalist, well version (ph) issues to watch it and then bare witness for us if you could tell us your thoughts and reflections here.
CATHERINE HERRIDGE, FNC CHIEF INTELLIGENCE CORRESPONDENT: Well, thank you, Dana. The video, to me, has a several layers of messages beyond the obvious which is the apparent execution of a second American journalist. As you see that still image from the video it's really a carbon copy of what we saw two weeks ago with the execution of another journalist James Foley. The subject is kneeling wearing the orange jump suit which is, of course, symbolic, synonymous with Guantanamo Bay. He gives a statement which I would emphasize was clearly given under duress where he denounces America's foreign policy and then the executioner, I think it's a significant difference has a more aggressive tone and posture in this video and speaks directly to the president in a somewhat disrespectful manner saying, Obama, this is your fault, your policies are to blame for the death of your people.
Then there's very graphic image which is the beginning of the act of the beheading and then it cuts away and comes back with just a horrific image of a head that's been laid on top of a bloody body and then just like we saw in the Foley video, we see another hostage believed to be a British citizen, and the executioner this time does not say that he's next but he certainly implies that by saying or issuing a warning to other nations who would join any international coalition with the United States against ISIS, Dana.
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hey, Catherine, it's Bolling, I watched both of those videos. And I notice, something you pointed out, they are very similar, the Foley video and Sotloff video are almost identical. They -- this killer makes demands, he points the knife at the camera. One point in the Foley video he says Obama, in this video he says President Obama. But he's very demanding, he said stop the bombing. If you continue to kill our people we will continue to put a knife to the throats next -- of Americans. And he becomes more demanding, more emboldened. Do you think that -- they will continue to behead Americans, Brits, whoever else they're holding as long as we continue to drop bombs on certain parts of people within ISIS? And do you think that's gonna continue to embolden them even further?
HERRIDGE: Well, what I can tell you is that this video really fits the definition for terrorism. Terrorism is an act of violence to promote a political end. So what we're now seeing for a second time in this propaganda video is the execution of an individual that is meant to change U.S. foreign policy. What will have the attention of analysts who are looking at this video is not so much, I'm sad to say whether this is indeed Steven Sotloff but rather the identification of the executioner.
This video, you probably know it, notice Eric, was shot at a slightly different angle making it harder to discern whether it is, in fact, the same individual, and the voice seems to have been modulated or doctored because it doesn't seem exactly the same. And the final point I would make is that when you look at these videos, these are highly produced slick videos. This is done by a team with training and I would add on a practical note that the kind of equipment typically you need for this does not do well in a sandy environment. So this is a professional group and is very well thought out as well.
PERINO: All right. Andrea.
ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Catherine, you mentioned earlier that you get this sense that they are or could be keeping these hostages in the same place, in the same location. What does that tell you? I mean, do you think they could have deliberately tried to move the camera angle and disguise the executioner's voice to make it seem like it's somebody different? I mean, what is your sense?
HERRIDGE: Look, the video is meant to convey several messages. That's my experience looking at this issue for the better part of 15 years now. We saw this with declare of Anwar al-Awlaki. He would give these sermons to try and give the impression that they are, like, the big man but, in fact, you find out later that he probably recorded his message in a closet with a MacBook Pro. I'm not saying that's the case here, but you have to see it for what it is based on some recent reporting through a former Pentagon official at least the information in the summer is that it seems several of the hostages were held together.
They identified what they thought was Foley's location near Raqqa which is the capital of ISIS in Syria and they believed other potential captives were there as well. From personal experience, in order to maintain a system where you can protect the hostages, because this is a war zone, you can prevent them from escaping, you have to feed them, you have to keep them reasonably healthy because if they are dead they are not of any currency to you. This takes a system, it takes organization, and it takes a significant number of people. So this is a major investment by ISIS and I would argue for the virtue of its propaganda value.
PERINO: Greg.
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Catherine, it's Greg. The modern phenomenon of social media has made like a singular execution from a propaganda standpoint on par with a massive military power that is the United States. And I'm just wondering and maybe it's naval gazing of whether or not the coverage of such videos encourages such behavior.
HERRIDGE: Well, there is no doubt that one of the developments we've seen with radical Islamist groups in the last five years and it began with the cleric in Yemen, is the use of social media almost as the life blood of the digital jihad. This is how they connect with their audience. This is how they help, sort of, pour gasoline on the fire of radicalism for people who have not yet traveled to the region. So it's a very powerful tool for them. And they are very aware of how it plays in the media coverage.
That seemed clear in the delivery of the message by the young man we believe to be Sotloff before he was executed, and then also by the executioner, because you can really discern almost the timing in this video, because the warning to other nations not to draw or not be drawn into a coalition with the united states, this is a very contemporary reference, this seems to be, possibly within the last ten days.
So somewhat after the Foley video was taped and if you compare the images of the individuals who are said to be Sotloff, what you see is that Sotloff has more of a stubble on his chin and his hair is a little bit longer, so also indicating that there may have been a fairly significant time lapse between the two events.
PERINO: And possibly also one of the reason that President Obama did not speak today, did not fuel that fire. Bob.
BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Catherine, Bob Beckel. Two questions quickly, one, do we know how many hostages are now in the hands of ISIS, one. And two, do you get a sense or do they care that these kind of barbaric acts really are what's drawing the world together against them as opposed -- maybe attracting radical Islamist from around the world to join their case -- cause, but it seems to me to bit terrible public relations effort on their part? .
HERRIDGE: Well, you hit upon something important there, Bob, because I can't speak or get inside the mind of a terrorist but the significant difference between these videos and what we saw with al Qaeda in Iraq about a decade ago is that the act itself or the completion of the execution in the most recent video was not shown because they understand at some level that for obvious reasons it's horrific and it's a turn off to many people and has that power to galvanize nations and individuals against them. And remind me the first question again, Bob.
BECKEL: Yeah, how many other...
HERRIDGE: Oh, right, sorry, I remember now.
BECKEL: Non ISIS people are in there being held hostage?
HERRIDGE: Right. We believed up until today that there were at least two other Americans. There's this female aid worker from the West Coast who is about 26 years old who's been missing for a year, but we believe that there may be a half-dozen more foreign nationals and, again, it's the nationals of the United States, Britain and any other nation that seems to band together with the United States that will have the most value to this organization.
PERINO: Catherine, we have one time for one last question with you. And I want to ask you about the scoop that you had today. You broke a new story regarding the president's daily brief, its abbreviation is the PDB. Maybe you can just explain to us what you learned today and how that fits into the overall news of the latest news cycle especially with this beheading.
HERRIDGE: Well a former Pentagon official confirmed to me that there was very specific intelligence about the growth of ISIS and that this information had been included in the president's daily brief, not every day, but on a consistent basis for the better part of a year. So this really goes against the idea that the intelligence was bad or that somehow the administration was blindsided. And it also goes to show that -- and you would notice better myself, Dana, that there is really -- it feels like a revolt going on within the military and intelligence community because it's highly unusual for people to speak privately about these matters, but they feel that the information was there, and that the military and intelligence community had excellent data, especially on targets in that part of the world, but for whatever reason there was a failure to act on that information.
PERINO: All right. Bob, you have one last question?
BECKEL: Yeah, I do. Catherine, there's intelligence that was in this brief or in these briefs did not say, as I understand it, have give any idea of the scope of how fast they're gonna move, where they're gonna move. And two, begin this operation they did talk about that there were a growing number of people joining ISIS and that they knew where their locations were but the president said that the intelligence community had not -- and nobody had an idea how quickly they would move. You guys sense as your source said that?
HERRIDGE: I think that there's a real disconnect on this. People were surprised of how quickly they moved but those who work in this area understood, Bob, that this organization had laid the ground work for what happened in June and it was by design and not by accident.
PERINO: All right. Catherine, we'll gonna leave it there and continue our discussion.
HERRIDGE: Thank you for having me.
PERINO: All right. Who wants to talk more about this PDB, ISIS? Anyone, I'm back, I'm new, I'm fresh. I don't know what I'm doing. Eric, do you want to make a comment.
BOLLING: Well, there are a couple of comments. So we know now, now know that the president has been, at least, briefed within more than a year now, he's known that his people were concerned about the ongoing and increasing threat of ISIS and yet four days ago he said, we still -- or five days ago he said we still don't have a strategy. That's concerning, it's concerning for a number of reasons. The American people should be outraged. Democrats, everyone should be outraged after a year we still don't have a strategy. Our military is over there risking their lives with no strategy from the commander-in-chief, very, very concerning. But what ends up happening is, so here's how we are (ph), Foley gets beheaded, right?
Then the president comes out a week later and says we don't have a strategy. Then ISIS comes and beheads on whatever period of time but they come out with a video showing the beheading of Sotloff. You don't think we're sending a message to every terrorist in the world or want to be jihadist in the world, whether they are -- you know, Muslim or not or Afghani or Pakistani or British or Australian, whom ever that we aren't the ones who are winning this war on terror. They are winning and that's a recruiting tool and they're using it. It's time to step up and eradicate the scum of the earth. Bob, you have to step and say the president screwed up. If you don't have a strategy, certainly don't broadcast that to the world.
BECKEL: What they said when they did this beheading was because the United States was bombing them on a regular basis and nobody should join into that bombing. So clearly they have acted, one. And two, when you keep saying the strategy, we have no strategy.
BOLLING: I didn't say that.
BECKEL: Tend you to leave out that he was talking about Syria. He was not talking about...
BOLLING: No, no. He was talking about ISIS.
BECEKL: No, he was talking about Syria. Go ahead. We argue this last week, it's, I believe, it's talk about Syria. And I don't believe anybody, frankly, had a strategy at this point what to do about Syria.
TANTAROS: Well, the military would disagree. And that's the biggest problem right now is, General Jerry Boykin was on Fox earlier and gave an interview and said exactly what so. And I would go a step further than just concerning but would be infuriating if I'm at the Department Of Defense. They're saying we have a strategy on this. We actually have a strategy to deal with this. The president doesn't want to implement it, and if you're at the CIA, you have to be infuriated. I mean, it's pretty obvious that they are leaking information, the CIA that President Obama knew about this threat, but if you're over at the intelligence bureau, your thinking we tried to tell you and now you're throwing us under the bus. Don't think that the terrorists aren't savvy enough to see that we are all on different pages here, which is very, very upsetting. It's also upsetting that we've seen the president act in harsher terms and use harsher rhetoric against republicans, Mitt Romney, yes, you mentioned Israel, Hobby Lobby, and then I could go down the list. And our James Rosen asked Jen Psaki today if they were willing to declare war against ISIS and I do think, Dana, that's probably very difficult for them to do because memorial day 2013, remember the president said there is no war on terror, period.
BECKEL: The Defense Department strategy is purely and simply, this locate the bombs, period.
GUTFELD: I'm just happy that the U.N. is finally started to investigating ISIS now that Ferguson has died down a bit, they've figure out what a priority is. Where is Jeh Johnson, good question, at the DHS, I think he might have made a comment but Amelia Earhart has been more visible than him. I understand where President Obama is coming from because when he became president this was not his priority. He cared more about rising tides than rising terror. So he's always going to be dragged to the table on this stuff. And it's a shame because, you know, you don't pick your battles in the world, the world picks you.
And you can't just go off because it's just not in your wheelhouse. We keep waiting and this is a bigger point. We keep waiting for the domestication of radical Islam. Because their religions, religions have learned to tamed their most outrageous elements. In this case, it is tame, it goes away and it comes back, and it goes away. This might be the point, this might be that watershed moment when Arabic countries have to decide that they have to domesticate this element of their own ideology, to tame the vilest parts, because if they don't, it will be a World War. It will be and we will have to do it.
BECKEL: That's a very good point. (Inaudible) remind the only country, the only country that is bombing these guys 24/7 is the United States of America.
BOLLING: So, let me ask you this, Bob. You yourself saying Syria is the most important part of -- it's the heartbeat of ISIS, right? It's Islamic state capital, it's where they're all their decision-making is, probably where al-Baghdadi is. Why aren't we -- why are we not -- and we have a map, we have actually a map drawn where we can see exactly where ISIS, right?
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BECKEL: It's my hope that they do that because if they don't...
BOLLING: How many more Americans need to be beheaded by --the whisper is that female journalist that Catherine Herridge alluded to, the whisper in D.C. has already been beheaded. I mean, that's what...
BECKEL: They are beheading these people, according to them, because we are taking action against them.
TANTAROS: You really believe that?
BECKEL: Absolutely.
TANTAROS: Oh, so you think if we wouldn't take any actions we would sit on our hand, they would just pack up their weapons and go back to their case. You know what?
BECKEL: No, not at all. You are the one that said sitting on their hands, they're not. They've been bombing now for 22 days. So they are...
TANTAROS: They've been killing...
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TANTAROS: Actions of radical Islam have been plumbing for hundreds of years whether we bomb them or not.
BECKEL: So what's your answer? What is your answer?
TANTAROS: Bomb the hell out of them and obliterate them.
BECKEL: We did, we're bombing the hell out of them.
BOLLING: No, no. We're not bombing the hell out them, Bob.
TANTAROS: No, we're not.
BOLLING: We've done 120 something bombing expeditions in 22 days. You wanna send a message, do 122 a day for the next 20 days.
BECKEL: There were 80 yesterday.
BOLLING: OK, good. Well -- you know what? Continue and now go into Syria.
BECKEL: I think that's a good idea.
BOLLING: Let's just go.
BECKEL: Butt the idea that we're not is just silly. It's uninformed.
PERINO: Well, I think that, one -- I get to make the last comment which is great. To say Andrea's point when you talk about in May of 2013 of the administration said there is no global war on terror. The problem, I think, with the State Department in answering the question of are you at war -- is United States at war with ISIS, it that if you answer that you're like, well, then are we at war with Ansar al-Sharia, are we at war with al- Shabaab, are we at war with Libyans on, and then all of a sudden you're up to a global war on terror, OK? Which we have invested in and we should.
BECKEL: I find that amazing that they won't say that.
PERINO: It's very weird because just last week when they were asked about Foley they said yes that was an act of terror against the United States.
BECKEL: I don't get it.
PERINO: That if the Intel community is now on the same page, the communicators aren't so you have to warn to -- you know, that direction, it comes from the top. Ahead on The Five, British Prime Minister David Cameron is calling for tougher anti-terrorism laws, but Greg is not sure that will fix the problem and he's gonna tell us why when we come back.
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GUTFELD: David Cameron spoke yesterday on stopping ISIS. Let's hope he has a new approach to tackling radicalization, focusing on all types of extremism, not just violent extremism.
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BRITISH PRIME MINISTER DAVID CAMERON: We have a new approach attacking radicalization focusing on all types of extremism, not to just violence extremism. This has included stopping the funding of organizations that provoke extremism, banning hate preachers…
Adhering to British values is not an option or choice it's a duty for all those who live in these islands.
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GUTFELD: It's about time. In a way, England is the neighbor who just realized there's a corpse in hisbasement. The smell had been there for years, but because of Islamophobia phobia, England's tolerated the most intolerant fanatics for fear of being called bigoted. They'd rather stay phase to be safe.
It's the same cowardness that allows the horrors in the British town of Rotterdam where 1,400 female victims were sexually assaulted by Pakistani man for over 16 years. Fear of the bigotry smear prevented the prosecution -- 1,400 victims sacrifice for tolerance.
So what are Cameron's suggestions? Blocking travel to and from terror zones. I'm for the" from" part but not the "to."
I say, let them go and drone in destination, take advantage of the unifying nature of ISIS that it attracts all of Earth's losers to one place where we martyr them, speeding up their gruesome entry to the afterlife.
Cameron also wants to ban hate preachers, but if you ban them you romanticize them. As long as they're out in the open, you know who the clowns are.
But as England wakes up to this threat, remember those who sounded the alarm who were mocked about the coming caliphate. And remember, as others laughed, ISIS was forming and girls were raped.
That joke for the U.K. isn't funny at all.
So, Andrea, what do you make of the temporary ban on hate preachers. They're awful people, but does banning help that or hurt that?
TANTAROS: No, I completely agree with you. Let them preach hate, at least as you point out we know where they are and spy on them like crazy, like the NYPD does here in New York City. Well, that is until Bill de Blasio, the new mayor decide that we have to stop doing that kind of thing. I also agree with you, why would they want to deep the jihadists in the UK. Let them go, monitor them, kill them when you trace them and if they try and come back arrest them. I don't understand this but I can see why David Cameron is in quite a bit of political trouble in his country. There maybe a special election, but the way that he's reacting to his own political situation over there is not a very smart one with this type of, I think, policy.
GUTFELD: Bob, what do you make of -- you think he's, kind of, playing catch up at this point because the country in a way has been paralyzed when it came to that -- their own radicalism within their country and they almost seems like, we better do something.
BECKEL: Yeah, I think you're right. I mean, they allowed this to happen when they opened their borders, basically. And what -- basically he's talking about doing it. First of all, I was glad to see that he supports what the United States is doing, bombing in Iraq and he said we may, we may join up with them. The other thing he said, he announced a number of different things on passport and other things that have already included in the patriot act, there are a lot of patriot act that I don't like, that part, I think, is a good idea. So I think they are playing catch up not just in their own country, catch up to us.
GUTFELD: Right. Erick, that's true, though, Bob brings up a good point. England hasn't started bombing yet.
BOLLING: They haven't done anything yet. They sent a, you know, little bit of support. I believe they said they were gonna begin that very soon, but remember the next -- this terrorist literally said the next one is this Mr. Haynes guy who's a British, a UK journalist as well, he's next in line for the beheading allegedly. Can we just point something out in the playing catch up, I'd say that's like the understatement of all time. There are zones in the UK they're called no go zones where cops won't go into the neighborhood because they're heavily Muslim, there sharia law and they let them do their thing and they, you know, it's in France, it's in Belgium, it's in the UK. They can but they don't. I mean, it's literally -- it supersedes their own constitution, it's insane. So yes, they are planning catch up. I think one of the things that they need to do, though, is Germany has now said they're gonna send heavy artillery to the Peshmerga. We said we'll send them gun, Germany is literally sending the tanks and the big guns. The Germans are doing this. Yeah, so maybe it's time for the rest of Europe to step up and do that as well. Maybe, put some boots -- here we go, we don't like boots on the ground, maybe some UK boots on the ground. After all a lot of these ISIS fighters are coming from the UK.
GUTFELD: Dana, I want to ask you about the scandal, the sexual abuse, 1400 girls over 16 years by Pakistani gangs. The whistleblower, the person who called the scandal was booked on a diversity course after raising concerns. So that person was actually punished and forced to take a diversity course.
PERINO: Not only can you be relegated to a class on diversity, you can also be arrested for what they describe as hate speech. So they are walking on political egg shells over there, PC egg shells. And I wanna talk about one somebody that -- you might not have seen this article it's in The Guardian on the front page of The Guardian on Sunday. It was tolled by Rizwana Bashir, I hope we have a picture of her, if not I got this photograph here. I got to meet her over the summer. She is an amazing woman, very courageous and brave. I knew her as a business women, I did not know that she was a victim of repeated victimization of Pedophilia and the like. She was very brave enough to come and be a whistleblower.
GUTFELD: Right.
PERINO: She and then, she said it's actually so underreported because the backlash against her or people like here that would bring it up is so intense that they basically try to ignore it. I think she's extremely brave and I encourage people to read her story which I think you can find on our Facebook page. Her name is Rizwana Bashir and she's just one of many -- I think that's very brave of her to have said something. If I were David Cameron, if I get to say, they should take it one step further. I do agree that if you leave to go to Syria then you automatically have your passport revoked and you are stateless. You don't get to come back to demand democracy if you met that decision and they need to take it one step further, the families of those people that are living in Britain should be deported as well or at least the threat of deportation so that mom, dad, sister, brother they have to leave too.
GUTFELD: All right, Dana Perino. Ahead on "The Five," President Obama, Joe Biden this weekend what was on their minds? It's not what you think.
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BOLLING: At a labor rally in Milwaukee, President Obama dusted off what sounded like an economic stump speech from -- from the 2012 campaign trail in an attempt to fire up the Democrat base ahead of the mid-terms and gin up support for minimum wage. Listen.
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PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Despite the cynics, America is on the move, and it's making progress. Despite all the opposition, there are workers who have jobs that didn't have them before. There are families with health insurance who didn't have them before. There are students going to college who couldn't afford it before. There are troops who were in Afghanistan who are coming home. Citizens made a bad choice. Hope's the better choice. Hope is what gives us courage.
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BOLLING: Well, it didn't stop there. The president also claims in order to get fair pay, you've got to join a union.
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OBAMA: You know what? If I were looking for a good job that lets me build some security for my family, I'd join a union. If I were busting my butt in the service industry and wanted an honest day's pay for an honest day's work, I'd join a union.
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BECKEL: Before we get to Bobby who is beaming over here like a proud papa. And to just bringing it around, your thoughts on President Obama's Labor Day speech raising the minimum wage. I think that's the theme of the week, what it's going to be.
TANTAROS: And he tried to convince us that the economy is doing very, very well. Which, look, I can understand it's better than 2008 when he took over, but that's like saying we were on life support, and now we're still in the hospital in critical condition.
He needs to rally the base. As we've seen in many states, Eric, when you give union employees the opportunity to leave the union many of them are leaving. I find it fascinating that this is the message that they're taking into the mid-term elections. The economy has been static, anemic and part-time. They're not throwing their arms open and embracing ObamaCare, and they can't.
But to stand up in front of that crowd as he's ready to sign executive orders on immigration, the one issue that if you talk to most blue-collar union workers has them petrified, I find to be just head-spinning. I mean, if there's one thing you ask them, what will threaten union jobs, it's immigration. And letting these people immigrate, letting immigrants come in and take jobs away from Americans.
BOLLING: Bob, if unions are so great why has their membership dwindling for the last 50 years almost every single year?
BECKEL: Actually, it's gone down, down, down because it's become a less and less friendly environment. In some cases the unions are not necessary. I agree with that. But look, it's a big union rally. What do you expect him to do? Talk about corporate profits? I mean, this is what he's doing. This is red meat. This is Labor Day. Of course you're going to labor union meetings, and you're going to say those kinds of things. It makes an enormous amount of sense -- Dana.
PERINO: I just would say his policies on health care and energy would actually eat up any of the extra take-home pay that somebody that makes minimum wage would make.
BOLLING: Greg, your thought?
GUTFELD: Well, I think the biggest message here wasn't what he was saying. It was how he was saying it. The passion that he has for internal battles is striking compared to the passion that he might express towards our enemy, which could unite Americans. If he showed that same passion when discussing the role of global terror in our lives, it's missing. He doesn't -- this is what he cares about. This is what he enjoys. He shows passion for only those who support his policies. The rest of us can go to hell.
BOLLING: Can I add one thought to that?
GUTFELD: Yes.
BOLLING: He has a strategy there, doesn't he?
GUTFELD: Yes.
BOLLING: We're going to have to leave it right there.
Nude photographs of A-list celebrities are leaked online after someone hacked into their personal accounts. We're going to tell you which stars. Plus, could this happen to you? And how do you protect yourself from online hackers. Next on "The Five."
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TANTAROS: Now to the celebrity hacking scandal. The FBI has joined the investigation to figure out how hundreds of photos of female celebrities in the nude got leaked online.
Among the victims, actress Jennifer Lawrence, supermodel Kate Upton, actress Kristen Dunn and more. Now there have been questions about whether Apple's iCloud or FindMyPhone (ph) app was hacked into, but the company says it hasn't discovered a breach in its investigation.
OK, Greg. Here's how I see it. These women took these pictures, never expecting them to get hacked. They are victims, though, and they're taking a lot of heat for taking these pictures in the first place. People are saying, "Why would you do this?" But that's like saying, "Don't buy expensive jewelry and keep it in your house and you had a bad lock, and so we're going to blame you not the robber."
GUTFELD: Yes -- no this is -- it's obviously theft. And the person who does it has to go to jail. When there's new technology there's always mischief. When there were telephones, I used to make crank calls. There's now new technology that we shouldn't trust.
I mean, in this case this is like -- this is what happened. But it is -- they got to find the person. They've got to put them away for a long time. And you know who's the big winner here? Polaroid. They've got to bring back the instant camera.
TANTAROS: They have that.
GUTFELD: Yes.
PERINO: In a digital form. They're great.
GUTFELD: Yes. That's what you've got to do. Stand behind the times.
TANTAROS: Which would create a lot of jobs in upstate New York, in Rochester, where I believe Kodak is based and Polaroid.
And I want to ask you about journalistic integrity. So Perez Hilton posted these pictures immediately of these women, not censored. If you were on Twitter at the time, which I happened to be, you could see all of it.
An hour later he said, "I'm keeping them up, but I'm censoring them." An hour later he said, "I'm taking them down, and I'm really sorry." Yes. Should he have posted them? Should these sites have posted these women fully nude?
PERINO: I'm not sure if Perez Hilton and "journalistic integrity" should all go in the same sentence. I mean, it's kind of an oxymoron. He's not a journalist with integrity.
I just wonder, though, does the FBI really need to be involved? I understand it's a crime, but -- I feel like the FBI has got a lot to do with tracking down terrorists, and I don't know if we need to spend time on this. And besides they looked great. Maybe that's a plus. I mean...
TANTAROS: They did look good.
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GUTFELD: Dana -- Dana, if it were you, you would -- you would say differently.
PERINO: Well, it's never going to be me.
TANTAROS: You can't say it and get in trouble with your wife. They did look very, very good.
Eric, where was all the cries for privacy when Sarah Palin's e-mail was hacked in 2008?
BOLLING: Look, I think the FBI -- I want the FBI in on this. You know why? Because now it's pictures. Tomorrow it's bank account numbers and important other documents. So yes, I agree with Greg. I think they need to prosecute this guy to the fullest extent. One of the other hackers, I think, got ten years. Give this guy 100 years. Put him away. And then send a message.
Mary Elizabeth Williams at Salon wrote a nice piece. And I...
GUTFELD: That's weird. Salon?
BOLLING: Correct. And her point is this: Don't look at the leaked news. If you're against this, which most of us are, don't look at them.
GUTFELD: It's too late.
PERINO: I didn't look at them.
BOLLING: Then don't. But the point...
GUTFELD: You're not like -- you're a better person.
BOLLING: Here's the other issue. So you have this opportunity to go search them out. You do or do not. You watch the ISIS beheading videos. I mean, if you're against these things, then don't perpetrate it by looking at it.
BECKEL: I agree. I think this is an invasion of privacy beyond belief. They ought to be prosecuted for it. And I have not, by the way, looked at the pictures. The only good news about this is nobody will ever hack into mine.
TANTAROS: We hope not.
PERINO: Is that a challenge?
And if you're one of those, don't look at them.
GUTFELD: If you have an iCloud, it's between your mattress.
TANTAROS: And by the way, if these celebrities didn't want their emails looked at, they should just go work at the IRS. Right?
PERINO: Good one.
TANTAROS: Then they'd truly be hidden.
Still to come, the mid-term election season has kicked into high gear following Labor Day. Are Democrats in jeopardy of losing the Senate. Bob has some advice for them, up next.
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BECKEL: The elections are just a little over two months away, and I've got some advice for Democrats who hope to retain control of the Senate. Good luck.
The -- let me put it this way. There are three seats already -- imagine the number is six. Three seats are already gone that are held by Democrats now: West Virginia, Montana, South Dakota. So you're down to three. I think the best advice I would give if I were still in the business is try as best you can not to have this race nationalized. If it's nationalized it's a referendum on Obama. And try to keep it at home as much as possible. It's difficult to do.
The other thing I would do is hope the best you can that your opponent will concentrate on what's bound to be the biggest issue in the election. Let them talk about Obamacare all they want. Won't cost you a single vote.
Go ahead. What do you think about Republicans?
BOLLING: So -- OK, so -- right, Bob. Until it was a -- an important issue before all the other issues became more important, like, you know, strategy, $4 gallons of gasoline. Five million illegal immigrants are likely to get signed into the United States directly after. You've got 60 days. Don't blow it. Larry Sabato says you're not trying hard enough, Republicans. Stay on it. Keep pressing. Being in sports in the worse defense, so don't do that. Go after it.
BECKEL: By the way, which is what Republicans tend to do too much.
BOLLING: Yes, it's continued. Four dollar gasoline, 5 million illegals, and Obama has no foreign policy strategy. That's enough.
BECKEL: Dana, what do you think?
PERINO: I agree with everything you said, Bob. I would add one thing. If you're a Republican prepare for the Democrats to overreach, because they are desperate. So you had in Alaska this weekend on Friday, the senator, the incumbent senator. It's a Democrat who's in the fight of his life, Dan Sullivan. Issued an ad that was absolutely egregious regarding the horrible crime against a child and two -- and the grandparents. That actually -- that ad finally was pulled back, and Begich was forced to pull it. I don't know if he apologized.
And also today, Jesse T. Smith of Alabama, a Democrat who's challenging a Republican, said that Republicans are worse than ISIS. So let the Democrats overreach, because it makes them look as ridiculous as ever.
BECKEL: Greg.
GUTFELD: How interested you are in my response. Greg.
BECKEL: I'm very interested.
GUTFELD: I think that -- I think that Republicans could win if they bring up ObamaCare, just drop the care part.
Also, Democrats can win, as they always do, by pretending not to be Democrats, pretend to be Republicans, which means don't bring up anything you believe in. Like your hatred of coal. You can't bring that up, or you're screwed. Don't bring up global warming, because people know you're full of...
PERINO: Hot air.
GUTFELD: ... hot air. Nice. Keystone. Can't talk about Keystone. Can't talk about immigration. All the things that you guys champion, you must put into a chest and bury it. The only thing left, you've got to hope for a Republican to say something dumb about women.
BECKEL: Well, they will.
TANTAROS: That was going to be my piece of advice. Because I always say the Republicans never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. They're just waiting for them to say something about a woman's sex life, about her libido, about rape, or legitimate rape, or whatever that ridiculous comment was.
So don't mess it up. Don't say anything stupid. But I think Republicans should tie the economy to ObamaCare and to immigration. It's a very, very potent argument, and Democrats, just pretend like you don't know who President Obama is.
BECKEL: There's two things the Democrats have to keep in mind. There are two seats that we're not paying attention to. One is Iowa, which could very go to Republicans. And the other is Oregon.
Now, on the other side of the coin, I think Mark Prior is doing a better job, despite what people think. And believe it or not, my upset save of the year will be Hagen in North Carolina.
PERINO: You hear that? Oh, really? Wow.
BECKEL: "One More Thing" is up next.
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PERINO: It's time now for "One More Thing." And Eric is going to start.
BOLLING: OK. Very quickly, Russia -- literally, Vlad Putin mentions nukes when he's talking about his situation there. We have no strategy for ISIS, but hat tip to the daily caller who found our secretary of state very busy developing a strategy for his kite boarding yesterday in Nantucket.
Meanwhile, remember this, guys: Congress is going to come back next week. They'll be here for two weeks and then, after being off for five weeks, the last five weeks, they will be off for another six weeks going into the election, again.
TANTAROS: Wow.
BOLLING: What's going on in D.C.?
PERINO: Some people think that's a good thing.
BOLLING: I don't know.
PERINO: You used to say that was a good thing, when they were out.
BOLLING: It probably is. But man, do we have to pay them all that money to do that?
PERINO: All right. Greg, you're next.
GUTFELD: I haven't done one of these in a while.
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GUTFELD: I hate these people!
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GUTFELD: You know what bugs me? When you go, you get a box of chocolates, it's like a gift, and people come and I guess you're not going to show it. There it is. And they keep coming over there, right? And they try the chocolates, but they're looking for a specific chocolate. And they don't like the one that they pick, so they go and think, "Oh, I'll just put it back in. I'll just put it back in, and no one will notice."
Well, you know what? I hate these people. And I also hate these rodents who do the same thing. This is the last time I buy Captain Sparkle's chocolates.
PERINO: I can see why you hate these people.
BOLLING: Can I ask you something?
GUTFELD: What?
BOLLING: Is that just backwards? Did you roll it backwards?
GUTFELD: I have no idea.
BOLLING: He was actually thinking about it.
PERINO: No, I think he knew how to put it back in. He maybe gets a treat afterwards.
OK, Andrea, you're next.
TANTAROS: OK. Since the beheading of American journalist James Foley, a number of Hollywood celebrities and media outlets, American media outlets, have spent more time condemning former presidents or people like me for trying to honestly explain the threat of ISIS and radical Islamic terrorism.
Eric Roberts is the latest one. He took to Twitter last night and said, "W. killed James Foley. George W. Bush. He's the forgotten president as we forget and block severe trauma. Barack Obama stands for compassion."
Now, I would just encourage these celebrities and outlets like Salon and Slate and Huffington Post and others that have decided to spend their energy twisting and manipulating my words, their fury directed at me, against the enemy, especially after one of their own, another American, was beheaded today. So either you stand with me or become a war room for them. Choice is yours.
PERINO: All right -- Bob.
BECKEL: Miley Cyrus is back in the news. She said that the original twerker was Elvis. Now, you know, I love Elvis very much. And it is true that when he was on "The Ed Sullivan Show," they had to cut him off from the waist down, because he was moving his hips. All I can say, Miley, is that's all he was moving; not every other part of his anatomy. Thank you.
TANTAROS: Hmm.
PERINO: All right. I'm going to go last. And I just have to say, I had a great summer. And if you want to go to DanaPerino.com, you can see Summer of Jasper.
GUTFELD: I knew it.
PERINO: All the best pictures.
GUTFELD: I knew it.
PERINO: And there's even one: there's a couple in there of Bob: Bob in the dog house. There's Jasper winning a parade...
TANTAROS: That's the best one.
PERINO: ... in South Carolina. It was a really good summer. That was him -- he didn't have a wee for two hours when we were gone. That was really a big deal.
GUTFELD: Great news.
PERINO: And that's his friends Grady.
All right. Set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five." "Special Report" is next. We will see you tomorrow.
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