This is a rush transcript from "The Five," April 24, 2017. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I am Kimberly Guilfoyle. Along with Bob Beckel, Jesse Watters, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld. It's 9 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."
It's a very exciting night for us here on "The Five" as we have moved from the 5 o'clock to the 9 p.m. in prime time. And we are really happy to have all of you with us. We have got a big show tonight so let's get this started. We are almost 100 days into the Trump administration and the President supporters still have his back. According to an ABC News Washington Post poll, 96 percent of those who voted for Trump in November say it was the right decision. Only two percent say they regret their choice.
But when you look at the left, it's quite a different story. The mainstream media, Democrats and progressives are having a really tough time. Coming to grips with the Trump presidency.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIPS)
MADONNA, POP SINGER: I have thought an awful lot about pulling up the White House.
SARAH SILVERMAN, COMEDIAN: Show us your (EXPLETIVE) taxes, you emotional child. You like being a superficial bully, here's one for you. You are a three at best.
TOM PEREZ, DNC CHAIRMAN: Donald Trump, you don't stand for our values, that's what they said! Donald Trump, you did not win this election!
REP. MAXINE WATTERS, D-CALIF.: I will fight every day until he is impeached. Impeached 45.
JOY BEHAR, "THE VIEW" CO-HOST: Everybody faced that he needs to be taken out of office. He is a menace.
SENATE MINORITY LEADER CHUCK SCHUMER: This executive order was mean-spirited and un-American.
RACHEL MADDOW, MSNBC: There is a little bit of a hullaballoo around here this evening.
CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC: People were literally texting at me, shut up.
MADDOW: Donald Trump's tax returns have surfaced. Is he not as rich as he says he is? Is he not as charitable as he says he is?
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GUILFOYLE: He really is as rich as he says he is.
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GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: I kind of understand where the Trump haters are coming from. Imagine investing one to two years of your emotional life into something and that something beats you. Essentially what trump is, is an ex that became more successful than you. So, you are constantly looking her up and him up trying to find out what they're doing and you actually pay more attention to Trump than his fans do.
In fact, they're like the reverse deadheads. You know, the deadheads fall, the grateful dead around because they love him? They follow Trump around because they hate him and they can't let go. And if they just stop for a moment, they would realized he is not what they think he is. He is a New York Republican which is basically a Midwest Democrat.
GUILFOYLE: All right. There you go. But now we know how he spent his afternoon. Right?
GUTFELD: Yes.
GUILFOYLE: Okay. So, Dana, what is the problem with the left here? They just didn't really anticipate or expect this and they're so coming unhinged.
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: I understand because I think that the left would say that they are doing just great. That they have found a common enemy and when you have a common enemy, you can unite. They are seeing more enthusiasm. They haven't been able to flip any of these special House races that they've been having to hold because members like Pompeo and Price went into the administrations and special elections. The Democrats tried really hard. They weren't able to actually get that done but they came close.
GUILFOYLE: Sure.
PERINO: And I think that they would say that they are quite unified but I have to say, looking at "The Washington Post" poll that you mentioned, and just know that it's very hard for a president not to get a second term -- I think that Donald Trump -- regardless of whatever happens after 100 days, in terms of legislative success, if he has one or two and it keeps the country safe, I think you'll be reelected easily.
GUILFOYLE: All right. Jesse, what do you think? You get a couple on the greatest hit list.
JESSE WATTERS, CO-HOST: Yes. He does. But the Democrats are freaking out because they're completely shut out of power. And their play book against Donald Trump just isn't working. Under President Obama, they have been decimated. There's been a blood bath. They have no power anywhere. And they are not doing an autopsy where they should have been doing one.
Now, the face of the Republican Party looks like it is Maxine Waters. That's good news if you are a Republican. Because when she is up there screaming about impeachment and Chuck Schumer is out there crying and you have the head of the DNC cursing, that makes Trump looks like the adult in the room. And it also doesn't help when Hillary Clinton who lost this thing is not taking any responsibility. She is blaming Comey, the Russians, fake news, Bernie, misogyny. So, no one is accountable and you know, having forbid maybe it's their polices that were unpopular.
GUILFOYLE: So, Bob, how do you feel about your party and representation and their communication?
BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Well, first, I want to say how nice it is to have Jesse here.
GUILFOYLE: Yes.
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BECKEL: And at least, rant two of my points.
WATTERS: Looks likely.
BECKEL: Look, let's look at some facts here. If you are Trump and you're 100 days in, the guy has a 42 percent positive rating. The average positive rating for presidents after 100 days is in the upper 70s. He has got 60 percent of the people who don't think he's qualified to be president. There is another 57 percent that think he is dishonest. Now, why is it do all these people stay with him? We have done these polls for years.
Do you still support the person you voted for? After 90 some days, of course they're going to say they do. They're not going to say I made a terrible mistake but the Democratic Party is -- there's a lot of energy out there, there's a lot of people who really don't like this guy. But what bothers me is you keep bringing up the same tired celebrities as examples of Trump haters. There are a lot of other people out there just good common people who --
GUTFELD: But those very people that we're showing are the reason why your party lost. Because those were the people that demonized the average American that it wasn't being paid attention to by the Democrats.
GUILFOYLE: The working men and women is behind.
GUTFELD: Yes. I actually find it refreshing that Donald Trump is unpopular because my worry was that all he cared about was popularity. And I have said that on the show. I said, this guy is going to do change his mind to whatever he wants based on polling. Clearly, that is not true.
BECKEL: HE cares about polling.
GUTFELD: Well, no, he cares about certain polls but I told you, his presidency is like eating a green banana. You have to wait a while. You have to wait for it to ripen.
GUILFOYLE: Sometimes I do it anyway.
GUTFELD: No, you don't.
BECKEL: Gone past green, gone past yellow and -- that stuff you put in banana cream pie.
GUTFELD: Put in bread, which is delicious.
BECKEL: Yes. Something like that.
WATTERS: This was the same poll that predicted Hillary Clinton was going to beat Donald Trump in November.
BECKEL: That is right.
WATTERS: So how much stock can you put in the poll and if the media -- if you look at the network news, 89 percent negative in his first 100 days. Of course his numbers are low. There are probably about 50 but who knows there are some golden nuggets in this fake news poll. He still has the base and that is all he needs. These polls don't matter until the midterms.
BECKEL: Well, you know, you are right about that. I do think to celebrate now, but a couple things about Trump and the Democratic base, is the Democratic base -- it's not clear who it is anymore. It used to be the working men and women and we forgot them. I mean, we got beat in rural areas in big, big numbers.
GUILFOYLE: You can see that.
BECKEL: Now, the question is, when Donald Trump comes up and we will talk about his tax proposal shortly (INAUDIBLE) his body is down at Mar-A-Lago. But the point here is that the Democrats don't need to have unifying message, they've got one and it's Donald Trump. And if you don't think their turn out --
GUILFOYLE: But they're not for it. They are not acting like they're for it. They're just coalescing. They really are lacking in terms of unified forces.
GUTFELD: But that did work for Republicans and Obama.
BECKEL: Well, it did.
PERINO: Well, not in 2012.
GUTFELD: Yes. Well, it took eight years and then they got rid of him, right?
PERINO: Right.
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GUILFOYLE: Dana, you want to --
PERINO: Well, I just want to say that I do think the approval rating matters a little bit in terms of getting legislative things done. Because Democrats have no incentive right now. And to come to the table and work with him.
GUILFOYLE: Yes.
PERINO: So, they are in a -- they have the resist movement and they will not be rewarded back in their districts if they him with anything. That is why this week we're going to see this fight on the border wall. Though I think it will get resolved in some way but everyone will dig in and so those Democrats at this point don't have any incentive to try to help him.
WATTERS: What about these places in Pennsylvania or Michigan --
PERINO: I agree. And that would be my second point.
WATTERS: If those places are up for reelection, I think they might have some incentive to go along.
PERINO: I agree but at this point, they have shown that they pay no political price in their districts for resisting Donald Trump and the other thing I was going to say is, with the Democrats, what you have not seen yet, and it might take a while because they are in the wilderness now, they have lost the election, they don't have a natural leader.
WATTERS: Hillary is actually --
PERINO: Elizabeth Warren had a very terrible stumbled I think with her book, it came out last week. Just like absolutely not ready but definitely wants to run in 2020. There is no alternative policy message from the Democrats that says oh, I want to vote for you because you will bring jobs or you are going to bring more security. It's all about -- we are just not Trump.
GUILFOYLE: Yes. They -- and it's kind of platform though, Bob, and this is what I'm trying to say. I understand that in the beginning, it's fine to say that you're against this guy and try to demonize him and there has been heavy weighing against them in terms of the mainstream media. So, that helps the Democrats. But at the end of the day, what are they going to say that they're for it?
BECKEL: Well, in most cases -- out of power don't have a platform really that they run on. But one thing we keep forgetting here is that we ran the most unpopular presidential candidate. At 56 percent, she was almost closing in on Trump. So, a lot of what this is -- I think people who say, 96 percent say they support Trump and they stick with their position, a lot of those people were voting against Hillary Clinton. Let's not forget that. I mean, I've talked to enough Republicans who say that Trump was not my first choice but it sure wasn't Hillary Clinton.
GUTFELD: Bill Clinton who said that.
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BECKEL: Bill knows something about that.
WATTERS: But isn't Trump beating Hillary in the polls?
BECKEL: You would beat Hillary in the polls.
(LAUGHTER)
BECKEL: I mean, that's not seeing a whole lot.
GUTFELD: You know who can beat Hillary? Chelsea.
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GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God! I wouldn't go that far. But I think this is interesting, Bob, is this is a compelling number you have to admit. The 96 percent like his followers, his supporters are really baked in and if he can actually accomplish things like he set out to do, he has got a very good chance then for reelection if the same people turn up for him. And he's able to peel off some of the people that say, okay, with jobs numbers are up, the economy is doing better. Okay, we've got a better situation as it relates to immigration. He is kind of a very good position. Because just two percent are on that regret island by themselves.
BECKEL: But just keep in mind as I said before. If you did that same poll on virtually any president who won, their supporters after 90 days would be up in the 90s and said they did the right thing. Because people don't like to admit they did the wrong thing by voting that way. But here is a thing, Jesse made a point here about or Dana did about the Republicans. It was the Republicans that beat him on health care in the House. We know that. And a bit part of that and he lobbied very hard for it. He's got the bully pulpit which is appropriate for him to be called that. But the fact of the matter is he doesn't scare a lot of these people electorally and that is the problem.
WATTERS: Well, listen, once he gets the tax proposal out there and everybody sees what it is, that's going to unite Republicans. That unites Republicans more than any other policy out there.
BECKEL: That is true.
WATTERS: That is going to really kick starts the market.
GUILFOYLE: Uh-hm.
WATTERS: And I don't think he's going to really have a problem getting that through and I think this election in four years is going to boil down to economic performance. No one cares about Russia, no one cares about the rollout of the travel ban, if the economy is juice and people have more money in their paychecks, Donald Trump is going to get re-elected.
GUILFOYLE: Yes. And by the way, 43 to 40 percent, he would still beat Hillary Clinton, I think that's an important number.
BECKEL: Yes. But that is Hillary Clinton.
GUILFOYLE: Okay. So, Joe Biden. They should have not --
BECKEL: Joe Biden could beat him today. But leave that aside. And I agree with you, if the economy is good and all of the things he said he is going to do, but he's not going to be able to do them.
GUILFOYLE: Why?
BECKEL: Well, one because they never going to build the wall. The tax reform bill is going to be so stacked in favor of people who make more money and all those people in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan who voted for this guy on the assumption that they are going to get jobs --
PERINO: That's only true if the Democrats can show that there's a credible alternative that they would be able to do those types of things in this economy and technological evolution.
BECKEL: But remember, Donald Trump was not a credible alternative when he started running for president.
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Yes, that's right. But somebody is going to get the Democratic nomination and whoever it is, it's going to be a --
WATTERS: But Bill, to Elizabeth Warren, that is going to be a great matchup.
BECKEL: That would be, no, that would be a great --
GUILFOYLE: I love that. But that's a problem, what do they have, Bob? I mean, when you think about in terms of they've been -- they haven't been able to resonate a coherent message. It's bordering on hysterical. Looks like a few of them should retire like ASAP. They are not able to come together. You have different factions like spreading apart. People who want Bernie Sanders or some people that want Elizabeth Warren. God help them. I mean, Schumer can't pull them together either.
WATTERS: Emotionally, he can't pull it together.
BECKEL: I think this, you know, we always look out and say who do you got? When you talk about that with the Republicans for years out, who do we have? I mean, John McCain, he got beaten, and Romney got beaten. And there was nobody left to do it. So, it was the first time there is an open, Republican process. And it came up with Donald Trump. Now I suspect that are probably -- after that Democratic Party, hardly anybody knows. I mean, the Senator in Colorado, Bennet who is very, very good and very popular and very mainstream, I mean --
GUTFELD: But here's the issue. We were originally talking about, the segment was about Trump's 100 days, not how desperate and sad the Democrats are. The key -- the take-home message here is it's unnerving for the Democrats because Trump seems to be doing a lot of things at once. He has packed 400 days into 100.
PERINO: True.
GUTFELD: It's like he packed two weeks for a three day weekend, so he is changing his outfits three times a day.
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No, he does. There are a couple of things he has done and a couple of things has failed. The point is, that he is trying a whole bunch of things. So, he creates an uncertainty and a reaction of anxiety among Democrats that works in his favor but in reality, what has happened? Not much.
GUILFOYLE: I don't know.
GUTFELD: When you look at what is trending on twitter, it's all entertainment news. We are doing okay.
GUILFOYLE: Yes. I think he has been very decisive in showing great leadership as it relates to National Security and foreign policy. He was decisive right away within the first 100 days as it relates to Syria, Afghanistan, allowing in terms of rules of engagement, the commanders, the field, able to make those decisions. That is very empowering. That shows you the direction that this country is going in and that he is putting more faith and credit in the U.S. military to do the job that they expert and they are trained to do.
BECKEL: You know what this president doesn't understand is that the one thing they control his foreign policy and national security. They can't control domestic politics very well because they have to deal with the Congress.
GUILFOYLE: Right.
BECKEL: And the President is given a lot of leeway on foreign policy. And now I just told in my ear that -- because there's a secret reason two blocks here --
PERINO: Bob, because -- actually Bob because everybody is dying from my block here.
GUILFOYLE: Yes.
PERINO: This week, there's a big one in Washington. On Wednesday, President Trump is unveiling his tax plan as we were discussing. And the White House will be briefing all senators, all of them, 100, on the North Korea threat. The President is also still pushing to get rid of ObamaCare and the government's shutdown is looming for Friday. The President's team thinks that the first few months have been a big success, here is Sean Spicer.
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SEAN SPICER, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: When you look at the totality of what we have accomplished on job creation, on immigration, on trade, it's unbelievable what he has been able to do. And so, it's not, you can cherry pick any couple of things and say, okay, what about this or that? It's been a hugely successful first 100 days.
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PERINO: All right. So, we are going to have the 100th day, that is a marker that I think Americans like. It's your marker and it's your measurement but Greg arguably, isn't the next 100 days even more important than the first 100?
GUTFELD: I think is arbitrary. I think it's something for people to talk about. That's all it is. We have, you know, we have stories that we generate but I think we have to lighten up. I think there's something very promising going on here. I have said it before that what Trump is doing which I did not expect, is he is freeing us from the prison of two ideas. The yes or the no on immigration, the yes or the no on trade. He's applying it. He finds options between yes and no that may not have existed before. For example. When he talks about the wall, he talks about the wall with a gate. So what he is done is you'd escape from the prison of two ideas.
PERINO: Yes.
GUTFELD: He is talking about a stern border policy with a welcome mat. Therefore, you are no longer beholden to either idea. He is --
PERINO: I mean, President Obama said that --
GUTFELD: I'll tell you why. Because it has torn people from ideologies to back him that did not back him before. We know a lot of them here, who were like, you know, you are an ideologue, your litmus test as a conservative, now all of a sudden you find it, maybe he's got a point --
PERINO: He does have flexibility but Bob, I think it is refreshing for some but leaves incoherence for others. Because you can't figure out exactly what they are for. So then, how do you advance an agenda with that situation?
BECKEL: Well first, let me say that Sean Spicer, of all the things this guy has set on that platform saying it's the greatest 100 days -- that started by the way with Franklin Roosevelt when he first got elected and it's been going on ever since. The answer is, when Greg says he offers, you know, a middle alternative, the problem is, you are offering it to a Congress that is either yes or no.
GUTFELD: Right.
BECKEL: You know, you have a polarized Congress. You are not going to be able to convince anybody in the freedom caucus to go along with anything that has to do with pro-immigration and you are not going to convince anybody on the Democratic side to go along with the wall. So, it's maybe a good idea to talk about it and this is a deal make when he first to do. But I don't think he has a Congress that's going to play that game at all.
WATTERS: I think it's easier for a Democrat like President Obama to have a really nice 100 days because all you have to do if you are a Democrat is spend money.
GUTFELD: Yes.
WATTERS: A trillion dollars for the stimulus.
GUILFOYLE: Tax and spend.
WATTERS: Trillion dollars for Detroit. Trillion dollars for the banks.
GUTFELD: And you're not --
WATTERS: That's not that difficult for repealing and replacing ObamaCare.
GUTFELD: And your 100 days has its own built-in cheerleading squad.
WATTERS: Exactly.
GUTFELD: I mean, there was no honeymoon for Donald Trump.
WATTERS: Right. And all they did was talk about Obama's new dog, Bo and how the girls look.
GUILFOYLE: He had to lay-up. Let's be honest. I wanted him to succeed. They were totally in love with the idea of Barack Obama and Michelle Obama. So, I think it was a very easy transition. You know, for President Trump, the facts, the polls actually prove the point that he has not had it easy in terms of the mainstream media. They have gone after him. The coverage has been documented. Incredibly negative. And they're not only that, you know, the Democrats have been obstructionist.
They fought them tooth in nail and tried to delay any kind of ability to get his cabinets sworn in and get everybody in place to be able to achieve what he needed to do. I get that that is politics but to be fair, it hasn't been easy in terms of trying to get a working government and a cabinet growing.
BECKEL: They're not a single Republican supported Obama's health reform. In fact, that would --
GUTFELD: Keep going.
BECKEL: I am going to keep going, fine, it's confusing because when we did this at 5:00 --
WATTERS: There you go.
BECKEL: It was kind of easy. You know?
PERINO: We can see you Bob, that's all we want.
BECKEL: You go ahead. You go ahead. I am done.
PERINO: We just want you to be you.
BECKEL: Over, finish.
WATTERS: All right. I will pick up where you left off.
BECKEL: Okay. I don't know if that's --
WATTERS: Although it's probably a little bit different than what you were trying to say.
BECKEL: Yes.
WATTERS: I do agree with Kimberly in terms of National Security, he has really established US dominance again with the Moab and the Tomahawks and what we're doing with North Korea. But I think domestically, you have to admit, the roll out of the travel ban not smooth. ObamaCare repeal failed and we have been caught up in this Russia thing for the whole thing. So, that's definitely slow momentum but Gorsuch, Keystone Pipeline --
PERINO: Amazing. Yes.
WATTERS: Illegal border crossing is down 67 percent.
GUILFOYLE: Tax plan coming.
WATTERS: The tax plan is coming out. The jobs have been strong. The markets have been up. So, I think there are places where you can say, you know, things are going in the right direction and I would maybe give him a B on the domestic side.
BECKEL: But he has to be better with legislation. And that's where he's really going to --
WATTERS: Well, I mean, a lot of the executive orders, they're really polled out all of these ridiculous --
PERINO: Yes.
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PERINO: Republicans often have to unwind things.
WATTERS: It's very effective.
PERINO: And unwinding things doesn't get you a really good headlines.
GUILFOYLE: By the way, like ObamaCare which eventually, you know, that is going to die a slow death with -- because it has no money. It cannot stay alive and sustain itself and that's going to be an issue right there but I think eventually they will get that deal done.
PERINO: Greg, can I ask about this AP story that ran this morning?
GUTFELD: I might not have read it.
PERINO: I know you didn't so I'm going to explain it to you.
GUTFELD: Excellent.
PERINO: So, there is an interview with Julie Pace at Associated Press and he is talking about getting used to the job. So, America is getting use to him, he's getting used to the job and he saying, the government is so much bigger than any company.
GUTFELD: Yes.
PERINO: And then he says, and there is something additional that you don't have in business and that is you have to think about the heart and the human and their impacts. And he says, in business, you don't have to do any of that. And that is maybe what has led to some of the moderating though in his positions.
GUTFELD: Well, there's two things going on here. One, we often made fun of President Obama, for being an inexperienced president. I for one must have said it almost every day for four years.
BECKEL: He did.
GUTFELD: So, you have to be fair to say that. But at least President Trump is also saying the same thing. He is walking into this place because wow, I didn't know it was like this. But that is because he's kind of like us. This is not a perfect presidency, it's a human presidency which means that you have a president that has this flaws out there for everyone to see. We have been arguing, the media has been arguing for having a transparent administration. You will never get an administration more transparent than Trump. He tells you what he is thinking every single moment.
PERINO: Right. But isn't that good? I think it's depressing.
GUTFELD: If he gets mad, you know it. When he's happy, you know it.
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GUTFELD: He won't release his taxes. He won't release to people going in the White House. Now, that's the only president I know who's never --
PERINO: That's not true.
GUTFELD: That is transparent to me. He doesn't like you to see his taxes.
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BECKEL: Well, and he doesn't want you to -- the rest of us wouldn't.
PERINO: There is a federal court that told Obama that he didn't have to release the White House logs.
BECKEL: But he did.
PERINO: Trump is on solid ground to not have to do that.
BECKEL: No, not have too. He doesn't have to release his taxes but transparency means that.
PERINO: If you think about the presidency, has a bank account. And you have to make some deposits so that you can build up your account and then you take some withdrawals. So, cash and checks, you want to get this done or that done. What can President Trump do in the next 100 days to build up his bank account so that he has more capital to spend?
WATTERS: I mean, I'd like to see him take another whack at ObamaCare repeal. I think that would do a lot to really boost support in Congress. And I think this shutdown, he's got to cave. Because if he really holds strong and they shut down the government on the anniversary of his 100th day in office, I mean, that is going to be a terrible headline. So, you know --
PERINO: You can imagine what the press secretaries briefing would be like.
WATTERS: Oh, yes.
GUILFOYLE: Here's the bottom-line, what he needs to do. I think the tax cuts are huge.
WATTERS: Right.
GUILFOYLE: He has got to get the economy going and he's going to get this through and push it through as soon as possible. Especially before the 2018 election. Because even if he gets this done right now, it's going to take a little bit of time for it to be effective in the market and for people to feel it and for people at home to say, okay, I am in a better position than I was. If he's able to do that, I think people will cut them slack on some of the other areas, I think this is his key domestic issue and like just I agree, I think he's doing well in the foreign policy.
PERINO: All right. We've got to get out of here, Bob. And we're going to do a little quick break.
BECKEL: Well, as long as in foreign policy, they're going to the right direction.
PERINO: Yes. That would be helpful. Last word?
GUTFELD: Yes. I think the most important thing is taxes. I mean, I bought tickets to the zoo to see the lions and tigers, not the salamanders. Taxes are the lions, everything else is the salamanders.
PERINO: Perfect analogy. All right. Directly ahead, some stunning comments from the head of the Democratic Party on abortion. Our pro-life people like Bob, still welcome. We'll report. You decide. When we come back.
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WATTERS: It is getting tougher and tougher for many Americans to feel comfortable in the Democratic Party. And the head of the DNC Tom Perez isn't making things any easier. He has been an ardent supporter of abortion.
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TOM PEREZ, DNC CHAIRMAN: We believe that women should have a choice over what they do with their reproductive health rights because we know that when women succeed, America succeeds.
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WATTERS: On Friday, Perez went so far as to suggest, if you are not pro- choice, you are not welcome in the Democratic Party. It doesn't sound very big tent to me.
Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders, the conscience of the Left thinks the Democratic Party is in trouble.
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SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I), VERMONT: I think what is clear to anyone who looks at where the Democratic Party today is that the model of the Democratic Party is failing. We have a Republican president who ran as a candidate as the most unpopular candidate in modern history of this country. Republicans control the House, the Senate. Two-thirds of governor's chairs and in the last eight years, they have picked up 900 legislative seats. Clearly, the Democratic Party has got to change.
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WATTERS: So Bob, let's start with what Perez said here. In 2004, there was 38 Democrats in the House and the Senate that were pro-life. Today, only eight. What happened?
BECKEL: Well, I mean, speaking as a pro-life Democrat myself, you know, what Perez said here is that people should support a woman's right to her choices about her body and her health and I agree with that. I mean, a lot of people could be pro-life like I am. I do it from a biblical standpoint.
But the fact of the matter is that it is something that a lot of Democrats who are pro-life believe that to be true. They don't want to get in the way of a woman's right to make her choice. Now, the hard-core of the rights (INAUDIBLE) movement I don't believe in that. But I don't believe in putting the (INAUDIBLE) saying here's what you can and can't do. That doesn't mean that I'm excluded from the Democratic Party and it wasn't my choice but the Republican Party. I'm not rich enough --
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BECKEL: I'm not rich enough to go to the Republican Party.
WATTERS: Oh, you might be after the show does this well. Kimberly, I feel like the Democrats, when they go so hard-core on abortion and they just talk about transgender rights and protecting criminal illegal aliens and global warming and Syrian refugees, don't you think they're just marginalizing themselves. They're becoming so fringe, they're just really not appealing to the broad cross-section of America?
GULFOYLE: Yes, because they're becoming done, you know, just to tied in terms of their, just like focus and their sphere in terms of who they'd be willing to take in, it then becomes the party of intolerance. And since when is it OK to just be abortion on demand? Why do you have to put that -- why can't you just say yes, we respect life and respect the lives of women and respect the lives of children and babies.
And I understand the idea to say you want to have individual choice and the state not telling everyone what they have to do. But there is a healthy interest in protecting life in terms of not going through this, with partial birth abortion. There has to be some regulations. Just like we have regulations with the FDA or with, you know, health care, et cetera, to make sure that people are protected. But the innocent are and so I don't think they're doing any favors by being that strident and, you know, just really that caustic in terms of their rhetoric.
WATTERS: Yes, extremely strident and I don't know if you want to touch on what Perez said if you want to take on what Bernie said. Bernie thinks he' --
PERINO: I think I can do both.
WATTERS: Go for it.
PERINO: I agree with how Bob described it in terms of -- you can believe that life begins at conception and you can also still advocate that women have choices. I'm not saying that is how I feel. I am saying that that is an understandable point of view and if you are in the Democratic Party that seems like some place that makes a lot of sense especially because as Greg is going to get to in the next block.
Democrats have big rallies, huge rallies over the weekend about science and the importance of science. And if you look at what increasingly young people are thinking about when life begins, it's because of science that they are learning more. You know, they are able now to see their little brothers and sisters in sonograms. So that is changing too. So science can actually help change opinions but it doesn't necessarily change your heart. I think there is room for both.
WATTERS: Greg, quickly how much damage do you think is done by these comments?
GUTELD: I don't know. I would state the obvious. The strongest pro-choice voices have the amazing luck of being born. It's and incredibly obvious point but a lot of people forget about that. We can't be hypocrites here. Would a pro-choice Republican win the presidency ever? Trump is pro-life but that's after a lot of pro-choicing.
So, this prison of two ideas, both parties are involved in. There's another -- I have a problem with saying you're pro-life but you respect the other side because that's a PLC. I am a PLC. I'm a pro-life coward, which means I believe, and it's untethered to religion, that it is killing a baby, but I'm not going to do anything about it because I realize there is nothing I can do about it.
GUILFOYLE: Well you talked about it.
GUTFELD: Yes, you talked about it.
GUILFIYLE: You educate.
GUTFELD: But think about it. If in the 1850s, there is a talk show called the Ye Old Five Shop, you know, and we're sitting here and we're going like --
WATTERS: Bob, you were on that show.
BECKEL: I was.
GUILFOYLE: We brought him back to life.
GUTFELD: And you go in I'm against slavery but, you know, I think it's a moral (INAUDIBLE) but there's nothing I can do about it. If you are pro- life and you believe its murder, you should be willing to fight for it. That's the hypocrisy behind this whole idea -- is that you should be able to start a war if you believe in that strongly but we aren't.
GUILFOYLE: It's the sanctity of life.
GUTFELD: We are. Because we are PLCs. I'm a PLC. A pro-life coward. It's what I am.
WATTERS: Alright, PLC everybody. Up next, lefty climate change alarmists along with their pal Bill Nye, the Science Guy got political. It's an Earth Day celebration over the weekend. Gutfeld is going to tell you what went down, up ahead.
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GUTFELD: So, you know what Saturday was? It was Earth Day. I know because I had to work and it took me forever to get here. They shut down the main streets so cars and trucks idled forever on the avenues, which apparently is great for the planet like Leo DiCaprio's private jet. Why question reality when you have symbolism? Speaking of, there was also a March for Science:
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE PROTESTER: They are endangering literally the entire planet for political gain in the short term.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE PROTESTER: Climate change is real and we're -- millions of people may end up dying of it not too long in the future and it's just infuriating that people pretend it's not decided, that pretend it might not be happening. The oceans are rising. The glaciers are melting. It's insane.
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GUILFOYLE: Oh my gosh.
GUTFELD: That didn't sound like science and I love science. It's given us so much: Water purification, antibiotics, light bulbs, robot dinosaurs at monster truck rallies.
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GUTFELD: That's science!
But still, I don't think that March for Science was really for science. It was for silence. Fact is, if you hold any view critical of climate dogma, you will be smeared. Bill Nye, the science mascot for Botox reporters scolded CNN for having an actual real physicist on the program to debate him.
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BILL NYE, HOST, BILL NYE SAVES THE WORLD: I will say, as much as I love the CNN, you're doing a disservice by having one climate change skeptic and not 97 or 98 scientists or engineers concerned about climate change.
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GUTFELD: Yes, that would work. So you can't even have a scientist, one scientist on to question a comedian who got his degree in mechanical engineering. See, Bill breaks the golden rule of science: He is mocking skepticism which is the spine behind the scientific method. An actual scientist embraces debate because it sharpens their research.
Look, you can still want clean air and clean water but you can also question climate predictions too because they are often horribly wrong. But Bill paints everyone a critic as anti-science even those who tread carefully through the data.
So why should debate scare Nye? Because climate fear is his livelihood. It's his game. And if you don't play along then you're off the field, and that way, he can't lose. And so far it works. It got him a new show.
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NYE: So, if I understand this, we're supposed to walk with intentionality. One, two, three, four, five.
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GUTFELD: Well, if that's science, I will take robot dinosaur.
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GUTFELD: Kimberly, you are a prosecutor which is like being a scientist.
GUILFOYLE: Yes.
GUTFELD: Science is about --
GUILFOYLE: A prosecutor of justice, Greg.
GUTFELD: That's right. Science is about stating a theory and then attempting to disprove it. You want people to disprove it because that makes your theory or hypothesis stronger. He doesn't want that. Why?
GUILFOYLE: Well, because he doesn't want the facts and the science out there because then he might lose his show, right.
GUTFELD: Yes.
GUILFOYLE: It would be a problem and you can't walk with intention and talk with intention if the facts get in the way, right. But this is what we saw too during the Obama administration. Sorry to upset you Bob, but they refused to comply with requests to release the internal data and information that really the public has a right to see, to back these claims up, right.
GUTFELD: Right.
GUILFOYLE: What are they so afraid of? Why don't they want to turn it over despite the subpoenas and requests? They do this thing to try to hide it because they want to put forward a false narrative so that they can get people to come out and march and go nuts about this saying that, you know, the Earth is going to be over and the whole deal and get upset about (INAUDIBLE).
GUTFELD: You know, Dana, I do admit that we -- I call myself a critic -- make it easier for people like Bill Nye when you say it's a hoax, right.
PERINO: Right.
GUTFELD: When you pick again the other side, the other polarity or the other option rather than saying maybe there's something there but let's look at the facts.
PERINO: Yes, but there's something there we don't know exactly what it is, we don't exactly how to solve it but we do think that here is some x, y, and z things that you should do in order to try to help -- at least mitigate the effects. What's interesting is that in the next 100 days after this first 100 days, the White House is going to have to decide whether or not to continue with the Paris Climate Agreement that President Obama signed us up for.
There's internal debate in the White House and that would be very interesting to see if he can do what you were talking about, which is to take you out -- take us out of the left-right debate on this and is there a middle way?
GUTFELD: There is and it's called lukewarming. That's what it's called. No, it actually exists. It's a belief that it might be rising in increments that may be beneficial for the globe for a while but we have time to figure it out instead of spending $1 trillion a year over a century, which is a $100 trillion. Sorry Jesse.
WATTERS: No, it's fine. I was just -- I was listening to your monologue. It's a great monologue. I especially liked the fire-breathing robot. I was in West Virginia the other day and I was talking to a woman who was put out of a job, working for a coal mine by Obama's EPA regulation. So now she's out of work and she has to get Obamacare and she can't afford Obamacare because she got her premiums tripled.
So now she's really out of luck. So, for people to say that they're passionate about the Earth but they're not compassionate about the people that live on the Earth, I think is ridiculous. And then you have Al Gore, the big science guy who sells current TV to Al Jazeera, owned by the biggest oil sheiks in the Middle East. Come on.
GUILFOYLE: And flies on a big jet.
WATTERS: And then he takes a jet over to the African community. Come on.
GUTFELD: I want to ask you, Bob, because you've been around in peace movements. The March for Science to me is the same kind of scam where you scope out the obvious good. I march for peace, I march for love, I march for diversity and if I disagree with you, then I am evil, right? So, science makes me -- if I don't like marching for science, I'm anti-science.
BECKEL: Yes, I mean, as for your second (INAUDIBLE) science, I don't want (INAUDIBLE) that climate can -- anybody who doesn't think the climate is changing is well, I can't agree with you, but I don't know the outcome. That's the thing and I think that's the problem to make those predictions.
However, science -- the federal government has over the last 40 years poured money into science in the university --
WATTERS: What science?
BECKEL: -- into, whether you like it or not -- breaking apart of the atom and the development of nuclear product. The government has incredibly important roles to play in this. We need to keep pumping money into science because just look at what NASA does.
GUTFELD: I agree with you, but this is -- you're proving my point, that if you come out against the climate change dogma, you're basically saying I'm against all science. I'm not.
GUILFOYLE: Yes, but then you're stigmatized, you lose funding --
BECKEL: I know. That's what I'm saying. That's why I don't agree with --
GUTFELD: I like planets.
BECKEL: Some of those people were actually out there talking about the accords of science.
GUILFOYLE: Climate people become more like a religion. That's what it's become.
GUTFELD: Alright, we're yelling. When we come back, some surprising remarks from the Trump administration on the fight against homegrown terror. Don't go anywhere.
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BECKEL: Well, (INAUDIBLE) we got 40 seconds. The president of the United States went around the country and said he was going to protect us from terrorism, remember that? No problem, that he was the anti-terror president. Well, his choice for Homeland Security, John Kelly, said just the other day, "I don't know how to stop homegrown terrorists." You're the head of Homeland Security, you should have some idea. What do you think?
WATTERS: I think what they say in Washington, it's a gap when someone tells the truth. I don't think he knows. I don't think the Bush administration or the Obama administration knows. I mean, there have been a lot of homegrown people associated with a lot of the terrorist attacks recently. You know the best thing to do to defeat terrorism, especially the homegrown, defeat ISIS because nobody wants to get recruited to a loser.
PERINO: He also said that this is a thing that keeps him awake at night and while I think that's reassuring, is that he took a job with a responsibility that makes him stay awake at night so that we can sleep at night and I think he's being realistic and reassuring at the same time.
GUTFELD: Two solutions, we got to grow up in regards to the nature of surveillance and interception of communication. We have homegrown people here. We have to change the way we do things. The other way to stop this it to talk about it to fight propaganda. We used to discuss cults in the 1970s. People would come to our schools and talk about cults. We don't do that with radical Islam and ISIS and we should.
GUILFOYLE: Look, I want the reality and the truth. He's right, it is impossible to stop every attack, but we've been fortunate in this country and the FBI has done an incredible job and our law enforcement to try to prevent and protect us from terrorists. But when you look at this, we've had open borders for how long? And according to our Homeland Security, nearly a third of the thousand FBI domestic terrorism cases, 300 of them involve those admitted to the United States as refugees. So feast yourself on those facts.
BECKEL: I just wish you hadn't said that. One more thing --
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GUILFOYLE: It's time now for "One More Thing." Bob.
BECKEL: President Trump made a call to the Space Station today to talk to Astronaut Peggy Whitson, who broke the U.S. record Monday for the most number of days in space. Congratulations to her and this is what she has to say.
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PEGGY WHITSON, ASTRONAUT: Well, it's actually a huge honor to break a record like this but it's an honor for me basically to be representing all the folks at NASA. Very exciting time to be at NASA. We are all very much looking forward as directed by your new NASA bill. We're excited about the missions to Mars in the 2030's.
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BECKEL: Maybe I should grab my wife to be an astronaut (INAUDIBLE) divorced.
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GUILFOYLE: I doubt it.
(LAUGHTER)
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WATTERS: Bill Maher on HBO the other day said this.
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BILL MAHER, HBO REAL TIME SHOW HOST: Seventy-five percent of Syrian farms failed. A million and a half people migrated to the cities. That's where it began. And by the way, these people who was starving, which is you know, whether you're bombed or you're sarin gassed or you're starving, death is death. But, I mean, we talk about Assad gassing people, we're gassing them too. We're just doing it slower with CO2.
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WATTERS: So let me get this straight. The Syrian crisis was caused by global warming which we caused and that's the same as gassing our own people.
PERINO: I think you got it.
WATTER: I think I got it.
BECKE: Good for you. You got it down right.
GUILFOYLE: Alright. Well, on Saturday night, I had the distinct pleasure and opportunity to be able to go to D.C. and host the Purple and Gold Gala at the Army Navy Country Club in Arlington, Virginia, and you saw me there with my friend, Ronan. That was my bidding paddle where I was the big winner for Frank Howard's professional jersey here. Unbelievable. And I went with my (INAUDIBLE) Eric and his parents and we had a wonderful time.
Ronan actually got (INAUDIBLE) point from the 3rd Battalion from Lieutenant Coronel John Cochran who was the commander of the 3rd Battalion, which is very exciting and Major League Baseball players. You see the picture there as well. Frank Howard who was awarded the Humanitarian Award. I'm wearing his jersey. It's pretty exciting and they call him the Hondo (ph) and also the Capital Punisher. You know I like that.
BECKEL: I thought you weren't married.
GUILFOYLE: No, my ex-husband.
BECKEL: Oh, I'm sorry.
GUILFOYLE: Thank you so much. So you guys, take a look. I want to thank Lieutenant Colonel Debra Snider as well. Their foundation website "Operation Renewed Hope" and this is for ending veteran homelessness. Please, it's an important cause, Dana.
PERINO: OK, we better get through this one. This is my first show in primetime and you know I usually go to bed by 9:45 so I needed some tips so here, I did this, Primetime Pointers. There you go, Dana's Primetime Pointers.
This is what I got from twitter. I had people tell me eat a big lunch, eat a light lunch, take a nap, 20 minutes max, drink Bailey's after lunch, drink vodka and Red Bull before the show. So I'm sensing a pattern there. I don't know if I'm going to be able to do any of that but I appreciate the pointers. But I'm wide awake. I think this is going to be fine. Alright Greg, you're next.
GUTFELD: Time for, "I Hate These People." Alright, you who I hate? I hate people who always say how precautious they were when they were a kid, how they were the first to do something on their block because they were so smart. Read this tweet -- this is from Chelsea Clinton I got from GQ.
PERINO: "I wrote a letter to President Reagan when I was five to voice my opposition to his visit to the Bitburg cemetery in Germany because Nazi's were buried there. I didn't think as an American president should honor a group of soldiers that included Nazis. President Reagan still went, but at least I had tried in my own small way."
GUTFELD: She did that when she was five.
GUILFOYLE: That's fantastic. Well, guys, well done. What can I say? So, at home, please set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five" live at 9 p.m. Eastern. Please stay tuned because our good friend, Sean Hannity is up next.
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