This is a rush transcript from "The Five," May 12, 2017. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
JESSE WATTERS, FOX NEWS HOST: This is a Fox News alert. I'm Jesse Watters and welcome to "The Five" on this very busy news day.
We'll bring it all to you throughout the hour. We'll begin tonight with President Trump's headline making sit-down interview with Fox News' Jeanine Pirro. So, Jeanine talked with Mr. Trump about his decision to fire James Comey, whether the Democrats will ever cooperate with him. And here's what he said his threat to cancel the daily White House press briefing.
Roll the tape.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: When we have those press conferences, I actually say, we shouldn't have them. Because Sarah Huckabee --
JEANINE PIRRO, FOX NEWS HOST: A hundred years we have been doing --
TRUMP: No but listen. There's never been action like this. This is crazy. I mean, they are getting higher ratings on those press conferences.
PIRRO: Would you seriously consider stopping these press sessions?
TRUMP: No. We do it in a different way. We do through a piece of paper with a perfectly accurate beautiful answer. I'll give you an example.
PIRRO: In writing?
TRUMP: They're asked a hundred questions, or 50 questions, or 20 questions, if they get one out of 50 just a little bit off, five percent, ten percent, 20 percent, next day it's a front page story in every newspaper.
PIRRO: Right. Right. So?
TRUMP: Now, press conferences weren't even covered for Obama practically, they were on C-span and C-Span 2 when, you know, there was nothing going on.
PIRRO: But will you put an end to that?
TRUMP: Just a minute. These press conferences are like the biggest thing on day time television.
PIRRO: They are.
TRUMP: Okay. You see the ratings.
TRUMP: They are blowing everything on just about I think everything on day time television. What I would love to do is stop them.
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WATTERS: Kimberly, you know what I love about this, he's still bragging about the ratings.
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, FOX NEWS HOST: Well, he's right. I mean, it's the new "bold and the beautiful."
WATTERS: Day time television.
GUILFOYLE: I mean, really, they are kind of riveting.
GREG GUTFELD, FOX NEWS HOST: Yes. I would call it general inhospitable.
GUILFOYLE: And so, I think that he's serious when he's saying this that he's considering it and thinking about it. Because I remember before he even, you know, took office, and was sworn in, they were talking about that. And they were going to shake up the way that the press briefings were handled. The calms for his administration. And obviously, there is room for improvement in terms of the rollout, and when they need to get ahead of the messaging like we saw in the travel ban and like we saw here with the dismissal of Comey. So, perhaps it's not a bad idea that they do accompany it with, you know, a paper readout, electronic briefing, and then for some of the larger news days then they have somebody, their spokesman at the podium.
WATTERS: Do you think Greg this is Donald Trump saying you guys are being so nasty to me, you know what I'm going to do? I am going to take away your toys for a little while. You can't play with them.
GUTFELD: You know what President Trump does, and people in the media forget, he likes to introduce options that were never introduced before.
GUTFELD: Because it's like why not, no one has ever said I can't do this. So, let's just see what happens. It's like, he likes to toss a stone into the pond and watch it ripple. But the person who doesn't take Donald Trump's word seriously most is Donald Trump. Words are free. It's like steam coming off an engine. He can talk a squirrel up a nut truck. And so his words are free and they flow. And if he changes his mind, he changes his mind. He doesn't take this stuff as seriously as other people do because he's from Queens, he's from Queens, he's a salesman, he's a salesman from Queens.
GILLIAN TURNER, FOX NEWS HOST: My mom is from Queens.
GUTFELD: I love Queens.
TURNER: Just saying.
WATTERS: That's what you say about Queens. Gillian, is this really going to happen? Or is this just a vale of treat because, you know, Greg is just saying he's just talking or does Donald Trump himself need to start doing more press conferences? Because when he does it, that really moves the needle.
TURNER: I bet this is another one of his tactic, where one of his famous negotiating tactics, where he throws something extreme on the table, so that everybody can get worked out into a huff. And then what actually is going to play out is something much more moderate. So, I bet he's seriously mauling something over like, maybe we're not going to do them every day, maybe we're going to do them three days a week, maybe they're going to be shorter. Maybe we are not going to televise all of them. Something like that is under probably consideration. But I think that he might -- he's throwing this out so that when he actually settles on something, it's not so egregious to people, it is not so over the top.
GUTFELD: By the way, he's done this with everything.
GUTFELD: Create an extreme position and then everything else seems moderate.
WATTERS: That is right. And we should actually maybe ask him if he can do the pressers at 9:00.
WATTERS: Maybe we could just take those live. Bob would love that. Wouldn't you, Bob?
BOB BECKEL, FOX NEWS HOST: I sure would. Yes. Now, listen. You know, you don't know how much I love Donald Trump. But I want to give a little credit here.
BECKEL: Because he finally realizes that he is so disorganized, that nobody can keep up with him. And you put somebody out there with Sean Spicer, who I think now is a good sailor.
GUTFELD: Come on! You should talk.
WATTERS: You of all people.
BECKEL: Did you just say that?
WATTERS: Well, you actually look sharp tonight.
BECKEL: Well, thank you. Thank you, Jesse. Nice of you, son. But I think, frankly, it's not a bad idea because they can't keep on the same page. Because they change course in the day. You are right about his thinking, he doesn't -- well, he thinks, but -- no, no. He just keeps going. I mean, he doesn't --
GUTFELD: He's a shark. He's instinctual. Like, you know what I said yesterday is that, he's a shark who's unaware of the affects he has to the beach. He's just constantly moving and everybody on the beach is screaming. He is like, what did I do? I fired Comey.
TURNER: They evacuated the water. Everybody is gone.
WATTERS: These press conferences aren't on C-Span 2.
TURNER: Right. Like President Obama's. I wonder why they were so worried because no one was asking --
BECKEL: A comedy series and Trump and some historical thing on the British TV.
TURNER: Something else that happened today was that Spicer was trying to respond to criticism about this. Well, he's going to get rid of the press briefing. And he said, we don't -- it's hard to coordinate on messaging. We don't always get to the President on every issue before we go out and talk to the press. And that was either a major cry for help or it was him admitting that he's not actually --
BECKEL: He made the point.
WATTERS: Let's see if President Trump addressed it with Judge Jeanine. Here's another little sneak peek.
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PIRRO: Are moving so quickly that your Communications Department cannot keep up with you?
TRUMP: Yes, that's true.
PIRRO: So what do we do about that?
TRUMP: We don't have press conferences and we do --
PIRRO: You don't mean that.
TRUMP: We just don't have them. Unless I have them every two weeks and I do it myself. We don't have them. I think it's a good idea. First of all, you have a level of hostility that's incredible. And it's very unfair. Sarah Huckabee is a lovely young woman. You know Sean Spicer. He is a wonderful human being. He's a nice man.
PIRRO: Is he your press secretary today and tomorrow? Is he really be tomorrow?
TRUMP: Yes. Well, he's doing a good job, but he gets beat up.
PIRRO: Will he be there tomorrow?
TRUMP: Yes. Well, he's been there from the beginning.
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WATTERS: Kimberly, what do you think about the President's assessment of his communications team?
GUILFOYLE: Yes. I think that there's a disconnect. You know, he has been there from the beginning. But if you want to be successful and do communications with President Trump, you have to be someone that he actually wants to spend a little bit of time with. You have got to insist on being able to get in front of Potus, talk to him and have like five, six minutes with him before you go out there and you take the podium, otherwise you are driving blind.
WATTERS: Are they not getting that a lone time that they need?
GUILFOYLE: Well, you hear Sean Spicer saying, and the President is very busy. He's constantly on the go. So, it has to be something with a very close relationship where there is trust there, there's inherent loyalty, somebody that he knows that's been with him from the beginning, et cetera. I think that's very important.
WATTERS: Is his job, the chief of staff, is he supposed to be the one that's controlling these meetings where they can get in front of each other before they go out?
GUILFOYLE: Well, yes, that is his job. He's supposed to be the conduit to make sure that they are communicating, that they get face time together, that the messaging is on point, that everybody is on the same page. Otherwise, you get this one person saying another thing, the President is tweeting something else. You've got to be connected.
BECKEL: Can I make one point here?
BECKEL: That the White House wanted to have our own Kimberly Guilfoyle as press secretary, and she decided she didn't want to do it.
GUILFOYLE: I can't break up with Bob.
BECKEL: Yes. That is right. Too much time away from each other. But I think that was a smart idea. I mean, but you are right, I do not know a press secretary that's been successful who has not had direct access to the President.
GUTFELD: But can I, there's something else that, we are sitting and ragging on the communications team. That's not the issue. The issue is this is a different kind of president. And we all know this because we are talking about this guy every single day. He is doing not one thing a day. He's usually doing four or five things a day. I compared into like a -- instructor or a cyclist who's -- the class can't keep up. He is always working everybody with the bone, so people can't keep up with him, including his own staff. His staff can't keep up with him.
WATTERS: So, you're saying the President has ADD and he's calling meetings and he's doing this and he's doing that.
GUTFELD: I wouldn't say ADD. I'd say because he doesn't sleep, he doesn't drink, so he never has a hangover. Hangovers generally keep everybody in D.C. from doing anything before 11:00.
BECKEL: Listen, I wasn't drunk for 30 years, and I never saw noon. That was exactly right.
TURNER: In a certain extent, I disagree with you. Don't strike me again.
BECKEL: Don't worry. Don't worry about it. He's too small to hurt you.
TURNER: The idea that Trump now, he has got more on his plate, more on the agenda than other presidents that have come before, to me that doesn't cut the mustard. I don't buy that for a second. I think that the problem here is somebody, I don't know if it's the chief of staff, if it's Reince, someone is not exerting that discipline on this. Somebody is not convening the right people at the right times of day with the President and saying, look, this is the message, this is the message of the day, go forth. Here's what the President thinks. Someone is not doing that.
GUILFOYLE: Get a man into the Oval.
GUTFELD: That is right. It's the Oval.
TURNER: You do. That's exactly what has to happen.
WATTERS: I don't know what that means.
GUILFOYLE: Want to find out?
TURNER: There's also, it's a small White House.
WATTERS: Hold on. Go ahead, Bob.
BECKEL: What you need to say to Trump is, are you going to have any surprises for us today? And you know, the thing is, they will have their press conference, and then he will do something.
BECKEL: You know? And it totally, nobody knows anything about it. How do you communicate that?
BECKEL: The only person who communicated I think Greg is right is Trump.
GUILFOYLE: Himself. Yes.
BECKEL: Yes. He should be his own press.
GUILFOYLE: Yes. I mean, he is the best messenger. He knows exactly what he's thinking, what he's feeling, how he wants to say it. So, unless --
TURNER: And he is the best --
BECKEL: Does he had a press conference?
WATTERS: Of course he has, Bob. But let's remain with the last press conference he had. He was on the ropes with the Russia thing a couple of months ago. And he came out and just rustled dazzled everybody and said you are very fake news, he put everybody in a locker and then he jetted off into the big rally. If he did that more and explained his positions to the American people, I think he would be a lot more effective, don't you agree?
BECKEL: Because if there's any position he decides to give to the American people is absolutely a good one.
WATTERS: Couldn't be worse than anything Obama did.
BECKEL: Oh. Well, hey we go. Let's fault back to our defense, son. Right Back to Obama because we get in the corner, we can't defend Trump. We go back to --
WATTERS: I'm not in the corner at all, I'm right at the center of the table. Greg, let me ask you a question.
BECKEL: A lot of this now, this story has become about process, about the communications can't keep up with the President and the story keeps changing. I think everybody is forgetting about the fact that he cut loose, Comey. Because he was ineffective. And he didn't feel like he had the trust and the credibility that he needed to do the job. That's the point of the story. It's not about Russia or the White House people.
GUTFELD: Yes. I mean, Comey was essentially the Jan Brady of the FBI. He was in the middle of everything. But not making anything better. You know, Jan Brady ever showed up in every scene, it's just no one has seen. They had to get rid of Jan and find a Marcia. And right now it's about finding a Marcia. And I think it would be great if it were a woman.
BECKEL: You know, Huckabee said the vast majority of agents have come to them and said how terrible he was. And that is exactly a lie.
GUTFELD: Which Huckabee?
BECKEL: Which Huckabee?
BECKEL: I can't distinguish between the two of them. By the way, the reason that you're in the middle is we always put the youngest guy in the middle.
GUILFOYLE: I know. Bob, I'm going to try and save you just a little bit.
All right. Judge Jeanine also asked President Trump about his controversial firing of FBI Director James Comey including a report from The New York Times that the President asked Comey for a loyalty pledge.
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PIRRO: People suggests that the question that apparently The New York Times is selling that you asked Comey whether or not you had his loyalty was possibly inappropriate. Could you see how they think that?
TRUMP: No, I read that article. I don't think it's inappropriate. Number one.
PIRRO: Did you ask that question?
TRUMP: No, I didn't. But I don't think it would be a bad question is. I think loyalty to the country, loyalty to the United States is important. You know, I mean, it depends on how you define loyalty. Number one. Number two, I don't know how that got there. Because I didn't ask that question.
PIRRO: What about the idea that in a tweet you said that there might be tape recordings?
TRUMP: Well, we can't talk about that. I won't talk about that. All I want is for Comey to be honest. And I hope he will be. And I'm sure he will be, I hope.
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GUILFOYLE: Okay, Jesse, what do you make of this? The report of the allegation is that the President was requesting or hoping for a loyalty pledge from the director?
WATTERS: You know, I don't know if I believe the New York Times anymore because they can't trust it. The only people that know what happened are James Comey and President Trump. And there's a lot of leaking going on. But The New York Times said this happened, and who knows because just the other day The New York Times said Comey asked for more resources for the Russia investigation before he was fired and that was fake news.
BECKEL: That's your sole source for news.
WATTERS: Well, not really, Bob.
TURNER: But now unless there's the recordings.
WATTERS: A lot of different notes. Excuse me?
TURNER: Unless there is now there the recordings, you know, that the President mentioned.
WATTERS: I don't believe there are tapes. I believe he just said that to mess with people's heads and it's working, as you can see over here.
TURNER: It's great.
WATTERS: So he's having people chase squirrels. And, you know, I don't think there is any tapes. And if there were, then that's trouble.
GUILFOYLE: Let me play this up, Greg and I will get you to respond. Because the President spoke with Sean Spicer field an avalanche of questions at today's press briefing. Take a listen to this exchange in particular.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did President Trump record his conversations with former FBI Director Comey?
SEAN SPICER, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: I assume you are referring to the tweet. And I've talked to the President. The President has nothing further to add on that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why did he say that? Why did he tweet that? What should we interpret from that?
SPICER: As I mentioned, the President has nothing further to add on that.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUILFOYLE: All right, Greg. Two things. What about the tweeting that Donald Trump does?
GUTFELD: You have to realize that that is much like what we do when we are driving, and somebody cuts us off. We rolled out on the window and we shout, hey you! And then five minutes later, you forget about it and you move on. That's what these tweets are. The other thing about loyalty, when he's talking about loyalty, the thing that concerns me about Trump, is that true loyalty is somebody who is honest to you and risking their own friendship to be honest. The hyper-critical is the person who cares. What I was worried about with President Trump, was that, he would surround himself with yes men and toadies. Because you seemed to be when you're an authoritarian type, you attract toadies and yes men.
BECKEL: You are exactly right too, Greg.
GUTFELD: I don't think but I think there's an even number of --
WATTERS: I don't see that though. I mean --
GUTFELD: I think there are people that will talk to him.
BECKEL: Really? But he may not be listening.
WATTERS: No. President Obama surrounded himself with yes men. There was no diversity in opinion within his cabinet --
BECKEL: His wife would challenge him all the time.
BECKEL: -- difficult here for the Trump because they're in different cities.
TURNER: I disagree, Jesse. There have been entire books written about how there was differences of opinion among President Obama's cabinet when they decided everything, especially in foreign policy, which is mostly what I care about. You know, remember --
WATTERS: Look what happened to foreign policy with President Obama. No, my point is that Trump hired Reince Priebus who was I guess against him when he was the RNC chair until he came around. Tillerson came out of nowhere. McMaster, not necessarily a pro-Trump guy.
BECKEL: Most people were Trump guy.
WATTERS: I think, I know, and now look at this.
BECKEL: Those are the two adults in the cabinet --
WATTERS: Ben Carson, he ran against Ben Carson.
BECKEL: By the way, have we heard anything from the Housing Secretary Ben Carson?
WATTERS: What would you like to hear?
BECKEL: I don't want to hear anything because I can't understand it. Now, I actually had a section eight house.
GUTFELD: It wasn't a section eight house, it was a different kind of house.
BECKEL: Once in a while --
TURNER: And Bob, there's three adults that called the access of adults just in case you're wondering.
TURNER: General Mattis, Secretary Tillerson and General McMaster. I think you are exactly right. And we leave out of that, the President of the United States.
BECKEL: But even, I mean, like Chris is not there.
GUTFELD: Christie was one of the original.
TURNER: Don't you wonder though if we are not missing like the big picture here? To me the big picture is like, so the back story and fights about that is kind of backfiring on everybody. But to me the biggest problematic in terms of optics is the fact that now we're -- this administration is a hundred days in and we have a fired acting Attorney General, fired National Security adviser and a fired director of the FBI, all cabinet ranked positions that people tend to hold for years and rarely get fired from. I think this is what the Trump administration needs to finesse. Not who said what when and we have tapes, and we don't have tapes, I think we need to come up with a narrative --
BECKEL: Your point about foreign policy, in this administration there are huge issues going on in the Middle East for example. And all we have had is one trip by Jared in his -- with a bullet-proof vest on. I mean, the fact of the matter is --
WATTERS: The President is going overseas next week.
BECKEL: Well, that's great. That's just wonderful. The President of the United States has to spend a lot of time getting for example, Australia who happens to be good ally of ours. Remember he hung up on the --
WATTERS: Yes. But that's fake news.
BECKEL: Oh, it's fake news. Oh, Breitbart tell you this?
GUTFELD: He also said that Australia had the best healthcare ever. Because as a salesman, he says things to break the ice. Can we just talk -- yes, but I -- what I was going to say, I want to talk about the tweet. People are accusing him of being out of control and all this stuff. But nothing is deceptive when it's out in the open. We need tweets, for example, about, you know, recordings. I mean, if you were going to make a threat or you were going to tape something, you're going to do it secretive, he does everything, this is the most transparent president you have ever seen.
GUILFOYLE: Right. So, complain about it Bob.
BECKEL: Right. If it's transparent, then say whether there are tapes or not.
GUTFELD: Yes. I think he hoped there were tapes.
TURNER: But also when Jared went to Iraq, just for the record, he went with Secretary Tillerson. It was his delegation. He's not going --
GUTFELD: He had a baby-sitter.
BECKEL: He had a baby sitter.
GUILFOYLE: Quite a bit of traveling.
BECKEL: With one of our people, we got that.
And I wasn't talking about you, Jesse.
GUILFOYLE: What? I know.
WATTERS: I don't know what that means.
GUTFELD: The real winner, Bob, can we agree, is Putin because he's undermining our system by having us constantly worry about Russia when we should be looking at other matters.
BECKEL: I didn't get bet in.
GUILFOYLE: The President touched on a number of other topics and his interview with Judge Jeanine like Democratic obstruction particularly from the Senate Minority Leader.
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PIRRO: Will you be able to work with Schumer after all the horrible things he said about you?
TRUMP: It's pretty tough to work with him. I am surprised because I have known him for a long time.
TRUMP: Again, he's gone very, very far left. He doesn't have good control of his party, he's not a good leader. And I think it's going to be pretty tough for me to work with him. We'll see. Hopefully what will happen is in `18, we'll going to elect some Republican senators, because we only have a margin of two. We'll going to elect some people, some more Republicans and we will be able to do it without having to go through that situation with Schumer. Because honestly, they just want to stop things, they want to clog up the wheels. And we can't let that happen.
GUILFOYLE: Okay. Jesse, you can imagine the President is pretty frustrated given everything that's been going on.
WATTERS: Yes. I mean, he came into office assuming he would have a good relationship with crying Chuck, and the relationship is really deteriorated once crying Chuck stabbed him at the back after they had a nice meeting. It doesn't surprise me that crying Chuck is acting like this because he needs to raise money for the Democrats in the Senate re-election committee because they are defending so many seats in the midterms. They are in deep, deep trouble in the midterms.
I think ten of the states that they have to defend are Trump states. So, right now politically there is not a lot of reason for the Democrats in the Senate to go along with the President. But you can work with any president, it's this president if you are a Democrat. He's not an ideologue. He wants to get things done that everybody likes on both sides of the aisle.
BECKEL: Everybody like?
WATTERS: Infrastructure, trade, jobs.
WATTERS: I think there is a lot of ways people can work together in Washington.
BECKEL: Listen, you know --
WATTERS: The Lefts would come to the table.
BECKEL: You want to say crying Chuck one more time?
WATTERS: Crying Chuck.
BECKEL: Yes. Okay. The fact of the matter is, the reason the Democrats have done that, you know, Obama got no Republican votes on those major bills he puts through. None!
WATTERS: Because they were so far left.
BECKEL: Well, really. And the reason that Trump --
WATTERS: Republicans didn't want -- is that a big surprise?
BECKEL: Democrats should not going to vote for this.
WATTERS: Republicans who didn't want to own the death spiral. Sorry. I mean, that's not --
BECKEL: The death spiral is here, it's landed. And it's in the Oval
WATTERS: Yes. That's just pulled out of every exchange. So, that's what you called a --
GUILFOYLE: Yes. That's --
TURNER: Well, the laws of unintended consequences this week I think was in full force on this issue, we saw the way that this has, the firing of Jim Comey has created this like ground swell of Democratic support.
TURNER: All these people like Chuck Schumer have jumped ship. Like Dick Durbin and are now supporting and saying, he was, you know, a great FBI director, he never did anything wrong. You know, I think that this is the kind of political unintended consequences.
BECKEL: Well, the Democrats jumped all over him when he did that thing with Clinton. That's right. But nobody said anything bad about him before or since.
TURNER: Oh, we have on the record, Nancy Pelosi saying things like he better watch his job, we are not sure he's have that job.
BECKEL: During the Clinton issue.
TURNER: Yes. Correct. Yes.
BECKEL: The Clinton issue should be dead now. Trump wants to bring it back to have cover-up his --
GUILFOYLE: It would have been jumping up and down, glee and joy if Hillary won, and she would have gotten rid of Comey immediately.
BECKEL: That's for sure.
GUTFELD: Well, first off, Bob, I'm not going to call him crying Chuck, I'm going to call him up-Chuck. Because I think it's much more, it's just shorter. Bring up Clinton. Let's talk about the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal.
GUTFELD: No, I want to because this is an important point. The Clinton-Lewinsky scandal took an administration's eye off the ball which led indirectly to Islamic terror and 9/11 because they were so consumed by that scandal. So, now you have a media that's suffering from unhinge of mosses (ph). They are unhinged over Russia, preoccupying the administration. So, we may get a 9/12 instead of 9/11.
BECKEL: The biggest job creation, eight years in the history of the United States.
GUTFELD: You know, you missed my point. You weren't even listening.
BECKEL: Well, that part was probably right.
TURNER: That's what happens when you say Monica Lewinsky.
GUTFELD: No, my point is --
BECKEL: Why didn't you mention the blue dress?
GUTFELD: The bigger point is that you have an administration that has to obsess over something like over here, you miss the bigger picture. We should be thinking about the bigger picture.
GUTFELD: Which we missed because Clinton wasn't looking at the big picture, he was looking at something else.
GUILFOYLE: And now we are talking about just everything. Yes. The full interview with President Trump is tomorrow at 9:00 p.m. Eastern on "Justice with Judge Jeanine."
GUTFELD: We have seen it all.
GUILFOYLE: Hay ya-yay.
Up next, is there a difference between the mainstream media and the Democratic Party? Answers all. Right ahead. And later, a classic Will Ferrell moment on a college campus. You have got to see this. Stay tuned.
BECKEL: Now. We want you all to stay with us. This show has another half hour. It's usually me at the end, the last minute. But I'm actually in the middle of the show today. So, please don't turn off your TV. President Trump's firing of James Comey was by far the biggest story of the week. Here are some of the interesting reactions according to our producers.
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BOB SCHIEFFER, CBS NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: There are many parallels to Watergate. But I have to tell you. I think all the way back to the Kennedy assassination to draw parallels, I was there as you know.
SEN. DICK DURBIN, D-ILLINOIS: President Trump is dangerous. Dangerous because he may be obstructing justice in terms of the investigation that really goes to the heart of our democracy.
DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: I mean, it almost feels like a scene out of the Godfather. But it's not, it's real. And it's very -- it's alarming.
SEN. RON WYDEN, D-OREGON: I will also tell you that we asked Clint Watts, the former FBI director about this, he said, you are absolutely right, senator, you ought to be following the money. But you also ought to know that you should follow the trail of the dead bodies.
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GUILFOYLE: Oh, God!
BECKEL: Wow! And it is a Godfather moment. Who shows (INAUDIBLE) in the Trump administration, I'm curios?
WATTERS: I don't know. The only scandals with dead bodies recently were Fast and the Furious and Benghazi.
BECKEL: Ahh! Again!
WATTERS: So, I didn't see any dead bodies on this Russia deal. And I think the media and the Democrats are colluding more than Trump and Russia according to WikiLeaks. So, I think you guys might want to check that out too. I'm worried about the Democrats--
WATTERS: --and the media.
BECKEL: You're worried about--
WATTERS: --because they're going so in together with each other that the American people are just not going to believe in either polls, in either analysis, in either predictions, because they know they're so in the tank. And if this Russia thing doesn't catch any big fish, what are they going to have to show for it?
BECKEL: Gala (ph) showed that two to one of the American people trusted the media over President Trump, so.
WATTERS: I saw another poll that said it was the opposite.
BECKEL: --or Jesse Watters, Watters' World, whatever it's called.
WATTERS: Yes, thanks for the plug.
BECKEL: No problem, all right.
PERINO: Saturday night.
WATTERS: At 10:00.
BECKEL: Now, the serious -- the serious well-informed person.
PERINO: Oh, Greg.
BECKEL: No, no. That would be so far over--
GUTFELD: You are losing control, Bob.
PERINO: I was going to say that I think that Dick Durbin goes a little too far, as usual, in his criticism of the president on this -- on this Comey issue. However, he did make one really good point which was, to me, to my liking, he said he's the only person I've seen so far who pointed out the facts that Attorney General, Jeff Sessions recused himself from the Russia investigation, investigation into the Trump Administration ties with Russia which is all as it should be. However, he then comes back and writes this justification memorandum that becomes part of the basis for Comey's firing. So, how is it that he recuses himself from the investigation but has a hand in him being let go?
PERINO: --I wanted to say that I think that that is probably why President Trump has gone back on the narrative and said, you know what, I'm the one who made this decision, I made it a long time ago. I was going to go through with it no matter what. I think he was protecting the attorney general.
BECKEL: --let me ask you that question, excuse me, you had your chance, son. You could just--
GUIFOYLE: They both--
BECKEL: --please, learn manners, will you?
WATTERS: Go ahead.
BECKEL: Kimberly, what do you think about this? I mean, there really was -- Sessions didn't recuse himself from the Russians, then why did he get in the middle of this?
GUIFOYLE: Why did he?
GUIFOYLE: Well, I don't really feel that he did. I think it was his deputy AG that issued the memorandum and did that at, you know, the president's request, so I don't see what the problem is. I don't feel that it was an improper recusal to begin with and I think that he stayed within the bounds of it, so I don't see any grounds there for alarm.
BECKEL: Did you ever recuse yourself of any court cases?
BECKEL: No? I bet you did.
GUIFOYLE: I didn't have to.
BECKEL: OK, now, Greg--
BECKEL: --in all the times you've been in court.
BECKEL: Now, what do you think, I mean seriously, this story about the memorandum being the decision point for the president--
BECKEL: --the fact of the matter is the president invited both of them to the White House and said write me a narrative so I can fire this guy. It didn't come out that way with the White House. They said, no. Of course, it was something he got and then he made the decision.
GUTFELD: Well, first, two points to me--
GUTFELD: --and they both have to do with the segment, not that question.
GUTFELD: We were talking originally about the collusion between Democrats and media and how -- this is somehow a revelation, it isn't. The media and the Democratic Party are the Beavis and Butthead of leftism and it's tough to be a Republican because it's not one against one, it's always two against one--
GUTFELD: --in an election--
PERINO: Who's Beavis and who's Butthead?
GUTFELD: --good question--
GUTFELD: --it's astonishing that the Republicans--
GUTFELD: --dominate when they are outnumbered, but the other thing is the media -- the media should love Trump because you'll learn more about politics. We're talking about recusal. We're talking about all sorts of interesting arcane, you know, a bench you've learned more about politics in a hundred days from Trump in 16 years of Bush and Obama and the ratings for all of you at CNN and MSNBC are buying your second homes.
BECKEL: Yes. Well, that's very nice to hear from you, Greg.
GUTFELD: --real Bob.
BECKEL: --I know your--
BECKEL: --I think that's wonderful. All right, we're going to go on now and next on "The Five"--
BECKEL: --a big new antidrug announcement from Attorney General, Jeff Sessions today but critics are already saying it will backfire, which it will. We'll have the debate up ahead. Let me debate before it gets bored.
GUTFELD: I wanted to do Facebook Friday, but instead let's do a story on drugs.
GUTFELD: Attorney General--
BECKEL: Thought the same.
GUTFELD: --yes, Attorney General, Jeff Sessions announced the Department Of Justice will now pursue the stiffest possible penalties for drug offenders. That overturns the 2013 directive by Obama's Attorney General, Eric Holder, you remember him, who ordered federal prosecutors to avoid charging certain suspects with crimes that carry stiff mandatory minimums. Sessions today, said the new policy was aimed, of course, at reducing crime.
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JEFF SESSIONS, ATTORNEY GENERAL: We are seeing an increase in violent crime in our cities particularly, in Baltimore, Chicago, Memphis and Milwaukee, St. Louis and many others. The murder rate has surged 10 percent nationwide. The largest increase in murders since 1968 and we know that drugs and crime go hand-in-hand. They just do, the facts prove that so.
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GUTFELD: But civil liberties advocates slammed the new policies counterproductive with Mr. Holder going so far as you call it dumb on crime, my word, Gillian. So, they're linking this increased in violent crime to drug trafficking, but we know that when you crack down on drugs, that only -- that doesn't reduce demand, it just creates more crime.
TURNER: Yes, it's a tough situation. I think what it boils down to is that the Holder Policy was called smart on crime because at the time he implemented it--
TURNER: --the department was spending more than a third of its budget incarcerating people--
TURNER: --rather than preventing crimes, investigating crimes, which is what they're supposed to do, so that sounds well and good. But I see the flipside here because there's a major downside. This is like incontrovertible truth which is that when you make it easier for people to get away with selling drugs, drug dealers are going to proliferate on our nation's streets. And so there's obviously a very heavy tension here and that's kind of what -- the Attorney General, Sessions comes down hard on the side of prosecuting drug dealers. I don't know what the answer is, but it's--
GUTFELD: I know what the answer is, Bob.
TURNER: Of course, you know the answer--
GUTFELD: Prohibition, we learned a lesson, it ruined lives and once we lifted prohibition, people learned to drink responsibly, a lot of people don't but that's what human nature is. We can't control everybody, how can we teach people how to enjoy what Earth offers if we constantly make everything illegal, people have a right -- a right to their own oblivion, and we must allow them to seek it in the safety of their own homes instead of criminalizing them and putting them in prison?
BECKEL: Very well said. Listen, this thing started mostly under Reagan when he had the three strike issue--
BECKEL: --and who got incarcerated? Why did they just made (ph) the drug dealers? It was a lot of people who smoked dope and got caught for the third time and put it in and eventually led to -- then eventually led to the creation of for-profit prisons. Now, you know, the fact of the matter is Sessions, he would have arrested somebody who smoked -- what?
GUIFOYLE: I just wanted to tell you something.
BECKEL: Did you just interrupt me and say you want to tell me something?
BECKEL: OK, go ahead.
GUTFELD: I just want to -- you guys were on TV right now.
GUIFOYLE: 99 percent of the people under the federal laws are incarcerated are for drug trafficking--
GUIFOYLE: --it's not like Cheech & Chong people?
BECKEL: Yes, but there's -- they don't have a lot of people who smoke dope and--
BECKEL: --no? Really?
GUTFELD: --quantified sizes of how much drugs, right Kimberly?
GUIFOYLE: Yes, in state if you can get busted for possession, et cetera, but not federal and federal, were these mandatory minimums and these sentencing's are, that's what you are dealing with and who's it's catching.
BECKEL: Well, let's talk to issue of what you talk about dealing, is it not when the difference between charging someone with crack cocaine and powder cocaine is different?
WATTERS: I think they changed that, right?
BECKEL: Well, I don't know whether they did or didn't, but the point is how long are we going to keep doing this and recognize that, you are right, Greg, you're going to have people--
GUTFELD: You can't.
BECKEL: --you're going to -- look, if you take a drug dealer a big one off the streak, someone else will take his place.
GUTFELD: And in some -- in some areas of life and I know you'd disagree with me KG, the drug dealer is just no different than a businessman dealing something, I know. But remember, human beings seek a way out of their lives.
GUIFOYLE: That is not -- OK, why don't you ask the people that have been put out of their lives in Chicago and inner cities across it.
GUTFELD: That's because it's illegal.
GUIFOYLE: --from violent crime--
GUTFELD: Gang crime, right. I agree.
GUIFOYLE: --by drug cartels led by gang members.
GUTFELD: I hate the cartels.
GUIFOYLE: They're not businessmen, they're murders and they fray on innocent lives.
GUTFELD: Legalize it--
BECKEL: If you legalize marijuana and cocaine, unfortunately it will go to clinics to do it and I was addicted to both of them, I was addicted to you which is amazing.
GUTFELD: I got to get Judge Jeanine here before you confess--
WATTERS: Listen, if he's going to get him locked up, I say let him go.
GUTFELD: Don't you remember--
BECKEL: I have been locked up so many times -- what?
GUTFELD: I was going to bring up the story where you forgot where you put a certain stash of something.
BECKEL: Yes, it's true.
GUTFELD: --and we'll talk more about that.
BECKEL: We did that on your show.
BECKEL: I never got more response.
GUIFOYLE: I was on that show.
BECKEL: I put $25,000 and an ounce of cocaine in a security box and I couldn't find it.
GUIFOYLE: I mean this is my point.
WATTERS: I want to hear more about that.
WATTERS: No one ever found it?
BECKEL: No. And they tried everybody--
WATTERS: So, it's still out there somewhere, everybody.
GUTFELD: Yes, it's the beginning of a reality show, find Bob's stash.
GUIFOYLE: I got to go.
PERINO: --can use the stash.
GUIFOYLE: I'm out. Let's get out of here.
GUTFELD: All right, Jesse. My sense with Donald Trump is that he's the kind of person who doesn't want to interfere with American lives. So, I'm surprised that he would go this hard on something like that.
WATTERS: Yes, but on the other hand, he's very antidrug. He's never smoked pot in his life and his brother had a big drug problem.
GUIFOYLE: He doesn't drink.
WATTERS: He does not drink alcohol and he's a law and order guy and a lot of these drug traffickers are involved with MS13--
GUIFOYLE: No, and how about--
WATTERS: --and they ruin children's lives.
GUIFOYLE: Yes, 35,000 Americans died from opioid abuse last year.
GUTFELD: Alcohol doesn't--
WATTERS: Oh, my God.
GUIFOYLE: --so did Christy, we saw it when we were in New Hampshire for the convention.
WATTERS: Exactly. So, it's a compassionate move by the president and the attorney general.
GUTFELD: I disagree.
BECKEL: You call that a compassionate move?
WATTERS: Well, I think it keeps the streets safer and it keeps--
GUTFELD: It doesn't. It hasn't.
GUTFELD: It hasn't so far.
WATTERS: Well, that's because for the last eight years, they were talking of rehab.
BECKEL: Obama, Obama, Obama.
GUTFELD: --of criminals is because they weren't keeping the criminals under gun laws in jail. They were letting them out.
BECKEL: Whose source is easier--
GUTFELD: I am.
BECKEL: Oh, you are. Sorry.
GUTFELD: Directly ahead, Bob, a major story you won't hear much about in the mainstream media, Christians under attack in the Middle East, we'll be right back with that.
PERINO: Wall Street Journal has got a big new report out today about Christians fleeing the Middle East. The reason, they're under attack by extremist groups and little to nothing is being done to protect them. Yesterday Vice-President, Mike Pence acknowledged the magnitudes of the threat Christians are facing all across the region.
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MIKE PENCE, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Practitioners of terror, harbor a special hatred for the followers of Christ, and none more so than the barbarians known as ISIS. That brutal regime shows the savagery frankly unseen in the Middle East since the middle ages. And I believe ISIS is guilty of nothing short of genocide against people of the Christian faith. And it is time the world called it by name.
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PERINO: So, it is true that more Arab Christians are living outside the region today than inside the region. There is something like 20 million Arab Christians living abroad and 15 million living inside the region. So, it's obvious to me the demographics are changing. What do you think, Jesse?
WATTERS: Well, then the last administration focused heavily on Islamophobia and I believe this administration is now focusing on Christian genocide. I think we should focus on all victims no matter what their religion is. I know the last administration didn't want to discuss the religious nature of the enemy and I think it's good for this administration to discuss that motivation behind the savage attack is based on religion. Because when you talk about the truth and accept the reality on the ground, I think you can actually make smarter decisions. So, I'm glad they're--
BECKEL: Yes, you know, it's Groundhog Day again, but--
WATTERS: Well, you're wrong again.
BECKEL: --the fact is that the captive Christians have been in that region longer than Muslims have been there and the fact that they have been killed, we talked about this for years, it's one of these that drives me absolutely crazy, the Egyptians tried for a while to protect, but then they backed off and they didn't do the job they said they were going to do. The rest of that region do nothing because they want to see genocide.
They want Christians out of there and if these Muslim leaders who are supposedly our friends would stand up and say something, but you're cowards. You know, Saudi Arabia, I mean what's wrong with you, you fund terrorism, you sell us your oil, and then you won't say a thing about this. Come on, you can do better than that. You got a lot of princess with a lot of money and nothing to do.
PERINO: I mean at the same time, though Kimberly, I mean you talk about--
PERINO: --you talk about radical ideology all the time--
PERINO: they're not exclusively targeting Christians, right? These crazy people who practice perverted versions of Islam will happily kill Jews, Christians, Hindus. They hate nonbelievers, you know, it's not only Christians, right?
GUIFOYLE: Yes, no. I mean it's pure evil and in terms of their radical jihad--
GUIFOYLE: --they're merciless and they don't let anybody stand in their way. But I do think it's important to highlight what's happening to Christians and the genocide--
GUIFOYLE: --that is occurring in, you know, in Pakistan. You have that Christian girls that are kidnapped, worse to convert to Islam, married to Muslim men, and it's just horrible to think that we're seeing happening, you know, across the word. And it's sad because I don't see it being discussed or talked about, you know, enough. So I applaud the vice president for bringing this up.
BECKEL: Who's left?
PERINO: You get the last word if you--
GUTFELD: Well, I'd rather just talk about how the media portrays this and what they focus on. It broadened the scope of the victims that they are acceptable victims in the media and they're unacceptable villains. So, we will have countless stories that turn out to be hoaxes that generate the scare of Islamophobia.
We are constantly told that we are in Islamophobic nature, a nation based on these rampage hoaxes and they turn out to be faked. So, the media focuses on that and ignores the real suffering that's happening worldwide that in which the victims are Christian, Muslim, women and gays.
They die daily. But, you know, someone writes something derogatory on a wall in a campus, that's where the news goes.
PERINO: All right. Stick with us. "One More Thing" is coming up next.
WATTERS: It's time now for "One More Thing", I'll go first. So--
WATTERS: --Will Ferrell, Comedian give the commencement address at USC where he went to school. Here's a little sneak peak.
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WILL FERRELL, COMEDIAN: This is not my first commencement speech. The institutions, to which I have spoken at previously include, Bryman School of Nursing, Hollywood DJ Academy--
FERRELL: --and Trump University.
FERRELL: And I will always love you, you--
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WATTERS: Greg didn't even laugh at all.
GUTFELD: I don't know I've been there.
WATTERS: And also don't forget to catch my show, Watters' World, 8:00 this Saturday Night. Greg?
GUTFELD: All right, and after Jessie, 10:00, Saturday, my show I got Amanda Head, David Angelo, Katherine Timpf, and Tyrus. It's going to be a wild, wild show, but now it's time for this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Greg's Fashion News.
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PERINO: Oh, my God. That's fine.
GUTFELD: Number out.
PERINO: Oh, my God.
WATTERS: Wait, is that a sole.
GUTFELD: All right, I want to thank Leanne Johnson Green (ph) gave me this--
PERINO: Yes, move it like that -- move it like that.
GUTFELD: Isn't that amazing.
PERINO: No this way, wow.
PERINO: Does she have a website--
GUTFELD: --well, I think she's found them when she purchased them. These are -- these are unicorn high-tops.
PERINO: How did she know your size?
BECKEL: Did you get those out of Manhattan?
GUTFELD: All right, KG.
GUIFOYLE: All right, that was so weird.
GUIFOYLE: OK, so--
GUTFELD: But that was fast.
GUIFOYLE: OK, here's the story where we would commend first responders for the work they do and put it on the line every day, some of you may have seen or heard about this story. Take a look at this dramatic rescue video from yesterday showing the moment when heroic first responders in Southern California saved the life of a woman who had threatened to jump from the roof of a 22-storey building.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There you go, woo, yes. Yes.
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GUIFOYLE: OK, well obviously very excited to save the live. The woman was eventually brought down from the building safely. God Bless You, first responders, always shows up and save the day.
WATTERS: All right, Bob.
BECKEL: I want to wish everybody a Happy Mother's Day, but I was married for a very brief period of time and my wife divorced me when my children were younger. We stock together and raised the kids to with a lot of people and I want to commend her, her name is Leland Keyser and she did a terrific job with the kids. We worked together well and we kept them and the first in our thoughts. And I suggest anybody who's -- it's never good to be divorced for kids, but I think it's a -- it's something that you can do and you can do well.
PERINO: All right, on to Robert Mugabe, a Zimbabwean. I'm a little more focused on Africa than others because half of my family lives there. He's been caught recently snoozing away at eight different international summits, a lot of criticism. His spokesperson issued a statement today saying he's not sleeping, he's protecting his eyes, so I thought I would bring that.
WATTERS: I believe him. All right, that's it for us. Mother's Day, Happy Mother's Day to everybody. Have a great weekend. Hannity is next.
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