Trump and Clinton spar over response to EgyptAir crash

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," May 20, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: This is a Fox News alert, I'm Dana Perino. A security scare at the White House this afternoon, a secret service agent shot a man carrying a weapon near a security checkpoint. The male suspect was shot in the abdomen and is now in custody, but is not expected to survive. The White House was put on lockdown, but since it's been lifted, the president was not on the premises at the time. For more on the incident, we head over to Chief Washington Correspondent, excuse me, James Rosen. He is on the scene.

JAMES ROSEN, CHIEF WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT: Dana, good afternoon. This all erupted shortly after 3:00 p.m. Eastern Time when sources tell us a man approached the south side of the White House complex near the Corcoran Art Gallery in 17th Street Northwest just by (inaudible) before west executive drive begins. This person has already come to the attention of secret service. He was holding a pistol in his hand. Sources tell us the secret service officer issued commands for the individual to drop that weapon. The individual we are told failed to follow commands and so, perhaps predictably was shot by secret service. We're told the injuries are very, very grave as you indicated. He's not likely to survive. The White House said that everyone within the White House at the time and associated with the White House was always safe and it's accounted for now. President Obama was golfing at Joint Base Andrews, about a 25-minute drive for his motorcade from the White House at the time of the incident. He was notified of it. And so there's still much to be answered, including the motive of this individual to approach the White House grounds with a pistol readily in sight. Of course, they're going to be looking at his car, the individual's computer and cell phone records, so a lot still to be learned here about this incident. But for now, everyone but the shooter appears safe. Dana.

PERINO: All right. Thank you, James. We turn now to the crash of EgyptAir Flight 804. Was it terror? Investigators have not yet determined what caused the jet to go down in the Mediterranean Sea yesterday with 66 people aboard. No terror network has claimed responsibility. No passengers on the manifest were on the terror watchlist. And a U.S. review of infrared satellite data found no evidence of an explosion along the flight path. Today, wreckage of the missing jet was found along with some human remains, luggage and plane seats. The pilot and co-pilot were also identified, this 36 and 24-year-old both had thousands of flying hours logged and routinely passed all security checks. For the latest on the investigation, let's bring in our Chief Intelligence Correspondent Catherine Herridge to get us up to speed. Catherine.

CATHERINE HERRIDGE, CHIEF INTELLIGENCE CORRESPONDENT: Thank you, Dana. The U.S. Intelligence Community has been trying to assess whether there's been a credible claim of responsibility from ISIS or al-Qaeda and there's really been almost crickets on social media when it comes to this attack. What's interesting to investigators is that there was propaganda that was pushed out by ISIS late yesterday and it was not about Egypt, it was not about Paris, and it was certainly not about this crash. And if they had had some role or level of responsibility, they would have expected some kind of connection. The other thing we learned today is that investigators are really doing a deep dive on these two Egyptian pilots you mentioned, even though that they have passed that country's security clearances. What they're looking at is their social media profile online and whether there's anything that suggests their state of mind in the hours before the flight went down and whether there's anything that speaks to sort of extremist ties. So a deep dive on the pilots. In terms of the flight manifest, what we know to our contacts is that it has been run against the database that here's in the U.S., and the there have not been positive hits on those terror watchlist. Dana.

PERINO: Before we take it around the table, if I could ask you Catherine, I understand there's more scrutiny now about the stops that the plane made after it left Paris. Can you tell us what that's about?

HERRIDGE: Well, the plane went to Tunisia in North Africa. It also made a stop in Eritrea, which is in East Africa. And then it made the stop in Paris before it disappeared just a little short of Cairo. The reason that's important to investigators is that they're trying to understand this issue of a possible insider or airport insider. And what I mean by that is that if a small device was placed on that aircraft, with a timer, it would be more likely in these airports in north and east Africa where the security is really not of a level that we see in a major western airport like Paris. And that's not entirely out of the realm of possibility. It was just in February that the al-Qaeda affiliate in Somalia was able to get a device smuggled on to an aircraft in a computer. You remember this story with the gaping hole in the side of the aircraft, it did not destabilize the aircraft, it was able to land, but it blew a hole. And it showed that the security, at least, in Somalia was not of a sufficient level that they could keep explosive off that flight. Dana.

PERINO: All right, Eric Bolling.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: So Catherine, this is one of the tough things, yesterday we were on and we were talking about, we were saying, now we know there's original reports of an explosion. Someone saw some activity .


BOLLING: . and then that has now since been debunked, I guess. We talked a little bit about these two pilots, now we find out that they've been vetted, extensively vetted by the airline prior to this flight. Is it -- is it out of the realm now? Is that, that this could be simply something like mechanical error?

HERRIDGE: Well, the thing I would really focus your attention on today, Eric, is what little we know about the debris field. The debris field seems somewhat a concentrated or compact. This is generally a sign that there has been a sudden and catastrophic loss on the aircraft, because it sort of falls directly out of the sky. If there had been an explosion on board, it would tend to fragment, and the debris field would be spread over a larger area. What I would say about the terrorist piece today is that it has somewhat receded into the background with this information from the U.S. Intelligence Community that they did not pick up the sort of flash of light or heat that would be consistent with an explosion, but I think there's a caveat there. If there was a small device on board this aircraft that caused a small explosion, not one that necessarily would be picked up by the satellite, but was enough to destabilize the aircraft, it may explain why we saw that very kind of funky erratic flight path before it disappeared, that sharp turn and then the 360, which airline aviation experts said to Fox today with more consistent with an aircraft losing control as opposed to something that would have been directed by the pilots.

PERINO: Scary. All right, Kimberly.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Yeah, Catherine, I want to speak to you a little bit more about that. I had a couple of pilots on last night that I interviewed for Greta that there were A320 pilots. And one of them also they mentioned that there were three sky marshals, air marshals on board that particular plane, which normally there are two we have. We haven't even able to get any other more information about that.


GUILFOYLE: And then also, because they were saying it kind of suggests that if there's that many on board, perhaps it would make it very difficult for someone to storm the cockpit. So then you just, you know, focus on that area, and again, the examination of the two pilots.

HERRIDGE: It's an excellent question. I do not -- I have not been able to get more on why there was this third air marshal on board that flight. But based on the threat information that we've seen, especially with flights into the Sinai and into Cairo, it would not be unusual to have a third marshal or someone who is being spelled off having finished, you know, a couple of days of work. The people I spoke to today, you may have heard this also from your experts on Greta last night, is that the flight path was so erratic, that it was really consistent with an aircraft that was destabilized and out of control, not so much a direction that was given by the pilot because they said the A320 is a very smart aircraft and it almost has a self-correcting capability, so that when there's an extreme maneuver by the pilots, it flags that or sort of self-corrects in the flight path.


JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Catherine, let's just bring it home for a second. So what's been the response on the part of U.S. security officials, Homeland Security, have added measures been taken? I've read that nothing's been done, that surprised me.

HERRIDGE: Well, there have been measures changed at Los Angeles International Airport. And in a situation like this one, the way it so that it seems to work is that there's a directive at the federal level, and the security they control is not necessarily changed, but individual airport has that flexibility to make changes based on what they're seeing in the news or the kind of threat information they have inside their own airport. It's not clear to me whether Los Angeles made these changes because of something very specific and local or whether it was in fact a response to what we saw overseas.

PERINO: All right, Greg Gutfeld.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hey, Catherine. I don't know if you can answer this question, but it's the only one that I said .

HERRIDGE: Hi, Gutfeld.

GUTFELD: . just to that --


GUTFELD: But it's driving me crazy. That --

HERRIDGE: I don't want to see that.

GUTFELD: Yeah, yeah.


GUTFELD: You have hundreds and hundreds of TV screens on airplanes in which they can beam live TV to every seat. So everybody can see real-time television .


GUTFELD: . while they're up there. But we can't get a live feed in the opposite direction .


GUTFELD: . from a cockpit to show what's really happening. Unfortunately, we can only find out afterwards, with a flight recorder that was, you know, invented in the '60s and we're still using that technology. Why do you -- I know you're not the expert in this, but do you have any idea why there isn't a live feed?

HERRIDGE: Right. Well, you know, the very person who has been advocating for this is the former NTSB administrator that makes that same argument that we have Wi-Fi and great entertainment, but we don't have the sort of live tracking with the in-house flight data. My assessment would be that to upgrade the aircraft to the extent it would be needed. It's such a major investment for the airlines, and then also for the manufacturers, that it would take a significant event that would, in some ways, legitimize or justify that kind of upgrade.

PERINO: All right. Thank you, Catherine.

HERRIDGE: You're welcome.

PERINO: Appreciate it. All right, who is best suited to keep our country safe from terror? Is it Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump? American voters answered that question, and we'll tell you about it when "The Five" returns.


GUILFOYLE: Yesterday's plane crash overseas has set off a new war of words here at home between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton.


DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We had a terrible tragedy and she came up and she said that Donald Trump talked about radical Islamic terrorism, which he doesn't want to use, he used a different term, because she doesn't want to use that term. She refuses to use that term. And I'm saying to myself, what just happened about 12 hours ago? A plane got blown out of the sky. And if anything, if anybody thinks it wasn't blown out of the sky, you're 100 percent wrong, folks, OK?

HILLARY CLINTON, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: When you run for president of the United States, the entire world is listening and watching. I know how hard this job is, and I know that we need steadiness as well as strength and smarts in it, and I have concluded he is not qualified to be president of the United States.



GUILFOYLE: Voters don't seem to agree with Hillary, though, because according to our new Fox poll, they trust Trump over her when it comes to dealing with terrorism by a 12 percent margin. OK, Eric, you love the numbers, they speak to you.

BOLLING: So Donald Trump yesterday, before anyone knew what was going on, said this was clearly an act of terrorism. He may or may not have been right, but the point was he was going to be, again, the anti-Obama. President Obama is -- we put it out, he's afraid to call it Islamic terror. He's afraid -- he dances around the word terror. And for a lot of people, me included, things that make the country less safe. You have to take, hit it, head on, go right at it instead of saying, oh I'm not sure if it's Islamic. I don't want to tick off Muslims because we say Islamic terror, when these are clearly groups that are Muslim and terrorists. OK, call them what they are. So Trump goes further the other way and everyone goes, "oh my God, can you believe he did that." Hillary Clinton even said, "He's causing more terror by saying this within the Muslim community, more problems within the Muslim community," and then she calls it terror in the same interview. So I see what he's doing, I see what she's doing and I think Trump has carved out an area of anti-Obama that Hillary Clinton is trying to kind of own in the next four years of President Obama. That's going to be tougher. I don't -- I think people are done with this.

GUILFOYLE: All right, Dana, what do you think about those numbers? And then trusting Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton, is this a reflection of a lot of the messaging that has been going out saying that Hillary Clinton, a vote for her is a vote for a third term of Barack Obama.

PERINO: I think that's exactly what it is. So people, after eight years, it's very hard for any political party to hold on to the White House for a third term. That's only happened once since World War II, and that's when George H.W. Bush won in 1988. It's just difficult because people -- they get tired, they want something new, they want a different direction. They always want something more. Look at President Obama, he was hope and change, 43 was going to restore dignity to the White House. Clinton, when he won, that was about -- that was really about hope and change too, really .


PERINO: . and the economy. So in this case, I think, on the two top issues that people care about, the economy and terrorism and national security, I think that they are worried that a third Obama term would just mean more of the same. On the spat -- a little bit spat between the two of them yesterday, candidates have a lot more leeway than presidents have in order to comment right away about something before learning all the facts. I mean, one of the things that a president does have to be mindful of is that, your actions could trigger something else.


PERINO: Trump and Clinton, they don't have to worry about that right now, though, I think that anybody could try to make the case that it does. But if you imagine that you're a victim, one of the victims' family members, and you're waiting for information from the airline and you have -- imagine it was the president of United States saying, I know it was terror, that's when you have to exercise a little caution when you're president. I don't saying that you need to do so now, but that would change that.

GUILFOYLE: OK, what about the point that Bolling also just brought up where she's suggesting that he is part of the problem. That he is inciting and then creating radical Islamic terrorism.

PERINO: Yeah. I say, that's I think one of the reasons that people tend to like his policy on fighting terror more than hers, because they're tired of being told that we are the problem. That it is western civilization or it is western thought. There is going to be a risk between Trump and Clinton on this issue going forward, because there are Muslims that feel like they've been unfairly targeted by Donald Trump. But I think making that clear distinction about radical Islamic terrorism and peaceful Muslims is really important. And he should try to increase his repertoire on that.

GUILFOYLE: OK. All right, Greg, so what do you think? Is it surprising to see the numbers, and that they would choose Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton as it relates to national security and terrorism?

GUTFELD: It's, it is. Like every, every year, it's is a pendulum swing. So everything is -- everyone now is responding to the kind of demeanor of President Obama. The interesting thing about radical Islam and terror, because we often say the war on terror, but it's about radical Islam, the left sees it as an issue, whereas the right sees it as a problem. So when you see somebody like, you know, Hillary Clinton talk about it, she talks about terror the way they talk about the environment or they talk about your diet. It's this kind of broad issue where a conservative or a new conservative like Donald Trump, it might be to like, this is a problem, we need to do something about it right now. And that is traumatically different from the way the left deal with these things.

GUILFOYLE: But what about also this whole blame America first. That's what it seems like people have responded to that over the past eight years, right away it's -- look inward. Who have you offended? Why -- calling someone these names is in fact generating terrorism throughout the world. It's America's fault first.

GUTFELD: It is part of a greater ideology that candidate Obama brought to the White House which was America should have a smaller footprint on the world. We're not a force for greatness as we think. And that's why we should recede. And that informs every one of their opinions.


GUILFOYLE: Well done.

GUTFELD: Thank you.

GUILFOYLE: Juan, so what do you think? Is it surprising that someone who was a former secretary of state and held the position, you know, operating in that arena of national security and foreign policy, would be polling behind a businessman running for president?

WILLIAMS: Yes, it is surprising. And, but she wasn't, she was ahead of him in, and Eric and I have been over this territory a lot.

GUILFOYLE: There you go.

WILLIAMS: You know that she was ahead of him on handling terrorism, national security issues. This poll has him ahead of her where she still ahead is on having the temperament to deal with an international crisis. So the -- so what we see in the poll is people say in the moment, yes, Trump right now for national security and the economy, which I think we should discuss at some point because that's interesting, too. But the idea to me that Eric says, oh, President Obama is afraid to call it Islamic terrorism. I don't think so, Eric.

BOLLING: Really?

WILLIAMS: I think, I think that he --

BOLLING: If it's not fear, what is it?


BOLLING: He won't say it.

WILLIAMS: Hang on, man. So it's a matter of strategic thinking, of smarts.

BOLLING: It's strategic.

WILLIAMS: Because what you have here is a necessity to want to avoid the whole Islamic world thinking the western world is at war with them. We don't want that, President Bush didn't want that, President Obama --

BOLLING: How is that working us? How is --

WILLIAMS: It's working -- look, I think we have allies and we have support.


WILLIAMS: And let me just add -- let me finish the thought here. You do not want --

BOLLING: So this is what he has --

WILLIAMS: Let me finish the thought.

BOLLING: Saying Islamic terrorism that it might --

WILLIAMS: Eric, let me finish the thought. That's all I'm saying. Let me finish the thought.

BOLLING: . is working out in your world?

WILLIAMS: Yes, it's -- let me tell you something. You sometimes don't think well, how could this have worked out so we would actually be facing more constant to say, I tell you, I think we are blessed as Americans right now, that we have not had major attacks on our country. And that our security apparatus has been a successful as it's been. I think that's why people like Bob Gates yesterday .

BOLLING: San Bernardino (inaudible)?

WILLIAMS: . were so highly critical.

BOLLING: San Bernardino is (inaudible) --

WILLIAMS: Eric, I'm just saying at as a terrible moment --


WILLIAMS: I'm just saying that it has a broader pattern.

BOLLING: It's all over the place.

GUTFELD: That's not a good argument to say we're blessed.

WILLIAMS: I think so.

GUTFELD: I don't want to rely on being blessed. That's like relying on luck, like I'm so lucky that this plane landed. I know you want to rely on security and expertise.

WILLIAMS: Right. And we have hardened our targets, Greg. We have hardened. We are more invested .


WILLIAMS: . in preventing terror today than we have ever been and more successful.

GUILFOYLE: Or maybe because we carry around our little anti-terrorism lucky rabbit's foot. All right, next. Did you hear Hillary has declared herself the democratic nominee? That was certainly news to Bernie Sanders. What he has to say about that -- ahead. And later -- yup, Greg, it's Facebook Friday. So go to and post a question for us now. You may, indeed, have it answered -- back in a moment.

GUTFELD: Probably not.


WILLIAMS: Hillary Clinton still hasn't clinched the nomination, but she is already claiming victory.


CUOMO: So you get into the general election, if you're the nominee for your party.

CLINTON: I will be the nominee for my party, Chris. That is already done, in effect. There is no way that I won't be.


WILLIAMS: Uh-oh, not so fast says Bernie Sanders. His camp put out this statement, quote, "In the past three weeks voters in Indiana, West Virginia and Oregon respectfully disagreed with Secretary Clinton. We expect voters in the remaining eight contests also will disagree," end quote. There's talk that the DNC might be trying to push Sanders out. The party is reportedly planning to offer him a concession to prevent an ugly battle at this summer's convention. What would that be? Oh, well, how about this, seats on a key convention platform committee. Would he accept? And should he? What do you say, Ms. Guilfoyle?

GUILFOYLE: I would say, heck no.

GUTFELD: Watch your mouth.


GUILFOYLE: Excuse me.

GUTFELD: This is family show. People are eating dinner.

GUILFOYLE: I apologize. Yeah, I think, you know, run, Bernie, run. I wouldn't be pushed out, either. I mean people really like him. He has a tremendous amount of support. He certainly has more enthusiasm for his candidacy than Hillary Clinton. I mean, they just think she's sort of like the safe choice. She's like the first aid kit. You know like, all right, she's there. She's been hanging on the wall the whole time. Let's give her, let's give her a try. And the fact that she said, oh, you know, I'm the nominee. This is happening. That just shows what people think. It's like inside politics in D.C., the fix is in, she done bought the super delegates, so despite all the people coming out and contributing money and feeling the burn, no, she's not having it.

GUTFELD: But it's --

GUILFOYLE: Canceled.

GUTFELD: The first aid kit is great when you do, feel the burn.


GUILFOYLE: Oh, that's what you've told me.


WILLIAMS: Yes, yes, so Eric, but -- Eric, my numbers man, it's obvious that --

GUILFOYLE: That she's running out of the ointment.

WILLIAMS: That she's less than a hundred delegates away. She doesn't really have to even win any of the eight remaining contests. I don't think she has it locked up.

BOLLING: Yes. She needs 14 percent --

WILLIAMS: Oh, yeah. I mean, so it's ridiculous.

BOLLING: It's over (inaudible).

WILLIAMS: But I will say this. So Kimberly says, concessions don't bother, you know, that's ridiculous.


WILLIAMS: But I'm thinking to myself, what Bernie wants are concessions. He apparently wants to make sure that she moves to the left on minimum wage --


BOLLING: Bernie is creating a movement. Bernie is creating a career for himself. Bernie is creating Senator Bernie that's going to be amazing going forward. He will have influence.

WILLIAMS: Oh, yeah?


GUILFOYLE: He was a late bloomer. He didn't have a job until he was 40.

BOLLING: Bernie is creating -- Donald created on the right. Something different .


BOLLING: . something non-political. People are buying into the Bernie burn and he hasn't (inaudible) by Hillary Clinton .


BOLLING: . or the DNC. You said the DNC is trying to push her out now. They've been trying -- him out now. They've been trying to push him out since August.


BOLLING: Oh, come on, Juan.


BOLLING: Remember there weren't going to be a lot of debates, all of a sudden they added some debates and she was .


BOLLING: . terrible at debates. It's like .

WILLIAMS: No, no, no. They --

BOLLING: It's, oh, we're not going to do any more debates.

WILLIAMS: They added the debates for him. He wanted debates.

BOLLING: No. But they didn't want it at first, because they -- because she was going to win.

WILLIAMS: Right, right. But he wanted debates .

BOLLING: This is where --

WILLIAMS: . and they gave give him the debates.


WILLIAMS: It's not. It does (inaudible).



WILLIAMS: And by the way, don't you think that they -- that she wants his supporters to come over to her?

BOLLING: She ain't getting them.


BOLLING: She ain't getting his supporters.

WILLIAMS: Dana, one of the interesting --

BOLLING: Trump might.


BOLLING: Trump might get his supporters --

WILLIAMS: Oh, I know. I know you have fantasies. But anyway, let's --


GUILFOYLE: They're not like that.

WILLIAMS: Not like that.


WILLIAMS: So Hillary Clinton said, "Hey, wait a second. I've got 3 million more votes than Bernie. In fact, it was closer between me and Obama back in 2008 and I played along, why not you, Bernie Sanders?"

PERINO: I actually liked what she -- if I were advising her, and I'm not. But I thought that how she handled that interview in saying, "I will be the nominee," I thought that was strong. And it was bold, and it's smart.

It's really not that different from what Trump was saying about Kasich or Cruz. Like, he said, "Obviously, I'm going to get it, so why don't you guys get out?" And so I think that she -- I think she did the right thing there.

I don't know exactly how they give him a speech and he walks away.


PERINO: Give him a platform? And he's like, "Oh, OK, that's good."

The thing I think is interesting is that her people and his people cannot get together and get a deal done. That's what I think, at this late stage, the DNC is hoping for. But maybe they're just -- they're so far apart that they can't actually have a conversation.

GUILFOYLE: They -- they didn't expect that.

WILLIAMS: So Greg, you know what's so curious is you see the left right now turning on Bernie Sanders. And the idea is, "Oh, you know, Bernie's people get violent."


WILLIAMS: They got violent out there in Nevada. And guess what? People say Bernie Sanders's people are out of control, and Bernie Sanders right now is hurting the Democratic Party, hurting the chance to beat Trump. What says the great adviser, Gregory Gutfeld?

GUTFELD: It's the mirror -- it's the mirror image of the Trump movement. As Eric says, it's like you -- there are -- when there are people that are new to an idea or new to a movement, they feel emotional about it. So you have radicals on the right, radicals on the left.

Radicals on the right. See how I did that? I was trying to figure out on TV, what's right or left.

It's amazing, Hillary, imagine: She's running against a socialist, and she can't even mention that. I mean, that's like running against an inmate and not pointing out that that person is in a penitentiary.

WILLIAMS: But isn't Trump -- Trump is running to her left on Wall Street, on NATO, on trade.

GUTFELD: Yes. I agree, I agree. But what I think is a real problem -- that she's missing, what she's missing is that she's not pointing out that this guy is a socialist.

All he had -- all she had to do in a debate or wherever, "Bernie Sanders, explain to me Venezuela right now. Explain to me this socialist utopia that everyone predicted was going to be awesome is now a living hell."

BOLLING: I agree with everything you said, except for when you agreed with Juan about Trump being to the left of her and Bernie.

WILLIAMS: How can you disagree with that?

BOLLING: He's not talking about getting rid of NATO. He's saying...

WILLIAMS: What about Wall Street?

BOLLING: ... pay their fair share.

GUILFOYLE: The problem is Venezuela, socialism. In the news yesterday, Greg, a guy was burned alive for stealing $5.


WILLIAMS: I've got to get out.

PERINO: My real quick comment is I do think that Hillary Clinton would benefit from doing the FOX News debate. Bernie has agreed to it.

WILLIAMS: Think so?

PERINO: I think that she would actually be able to maybe put him away at that point.

WILLIAMS: Yes, absolutely.

GUTFELD: And then talk about Venezuela and socialism.

WILLIAMS: And you know why, Dana? Because the audience would be massive. It would be another huge win for her.

Ahead, Ellen DeGeneres gets Kanyed. Another bizarre show-stopping rant from the rapper, this one leaving Ellen speechless. The low lights next in "The Fastest Seven" with Eric.


BOLLING: Welcome back. Time for...



BOLLING: ... "The Fastest 6 1/2 Minutes on Television." Three droll stories, seven dynamic minutes, one dexterous host.

First up, it's not you, it's me. No, it's actually completely you. A New York City man is revealing the disturbing details of his journey into the heartland of terror, and warning that others sleeping with the enemy ain't what it's cracked up to be. He left ISIS after joining them for five months.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I've let my family down; I've let my nation down; and I've let God down. And I have a lot to make up for.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you in this interview and other places apologizing?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Absolutely. I lost sight of how people could be so evil.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you regret that you had gone there?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: More than anything. It's obviously the worst decision I've ever made in my life. Islamic State is not bringing Islam to the world, and people need to know that.


BOLLING: All right. K.G., clockwise, first.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I think this is powerful. It's important. He's courageous to come out, because obviously, these are not good people to have as your enemy. And I think it's important that he's discussing that, you know, this isn't, like, the pure pursuit of the Islamic religion that they're trying to put forward. He talked about it being, you know, pure evil.

And I think sending that message out there is good for those that are thinking, "Maybe I should. Should I or shouldn't I get involved with them? What do they really stand for?" Exposing them, you know, for the true evil terrorists that they are.

BOLLING: Your thoughts on this guy?

WILLIAMS: What a complete blanking idiot.

GUILFOYLE: Well, that, too.

WILLIAMS: Let me just say the reason he's here...

BOLLING: Can I just clarify?

WILLIAMS: No, you always interrupt me.

BOLLING: He's a smart kid. He went to a very good college.

WILLIAMS: No, I don't think -- let me talk. A total lack of judgment. Total lack. He even says it was the worst thing.

But the other part is that he is in an agreement now with the government to cooperate. That's why he's out of jail. Because he should be in jail. But he's out. And part of it, I think, is to deliver messages like this.

And we've heard that recently the U.S. government is doing a better job. And I think it was FBI director Comey said has really stopped ISIS from having such success with recruiting young Americans online.

PERINO: Well, and he said, "I became enchanted with the group's output of glossy videos, articles, and images." So this is the way that ISIS is waging a war and recruiting, versus the way we are and how we could be doing more.

He does face 10-25 years. I think I would take him around the country. Have him do a lot more of this.

GUILFOYLE: I agree. Like Scared Straight. Because he's articulate.

BOLLING: He's probably got a target on his back, too, though.

GUILFOYLE: He says this was -- joining ISIS was the worst decision of his life. Apparently, he never saw "Love, Actually."

GUILFOYLE: You're still regretting it?

GUTFELD: Defectors are valuable. They're incredibly valuable, and we have to find a way to recruit and get people out of this, out of this death cult.

BOLLING: All right. There it is. Script.

Ready -- ready to take a peek inside the mind of Kanye West? Spoiler alert. It ain't pretty.


KANYE WEST, RAP STAR: I have ideas that can make the human race existence within our 100 years, better.

Are you connecting? Picasso is dead. Steve Jobs is dead. Walt Disney is dead. Name somebody living that you can name in the same breath as them. So tell me about being unlikable. We've got 100 years here. We're one race. The human race, one civilization. We're a blip in the existence of the universe. I sit there with Obama, and Leo is talking about the environment. And then I'm talking about clothes and everyone looks at me like -- that's not an important issue or something.


BOLLING: All right, Greg, profound or completely whacked?

GUTFELD: A genius. This man is a genius. He's right. We are but a blip. He's probably consumed by artificial intelligence. He knows -- he knows we're in deep trouble.

And, you know, he's the best guest you can have. Back in the '70s, "The Mike Douglas Show," Johnny Carson, you'd get these eccentric people on that would talk forever. And you would just sit and watch. He's like the good old days of television.


PERINO: My favorite part is Ellen's face. She's just saying, what is he talking about?

BOLLING: That's what we heard all the time. Right there.

Mr. Juan.

WILLIAMS: Steve Jobs, Walt Disney. Eric Bolling is alive. You're right here. Yes, I mean, what is this -- I don't -- who was he trying to get money from? Zuckerberg, Zuckerberg.

GUTFELD: He wanted a million dollars.

WILLIAMS: He went to Dana's friend, because he wasn't invited.

PERINO: Right.

WILLIAMS: He wanted $100 million. So now he's trying to get it from anybody. You know what? He went to the people who run Shoeless Pay Source [SIC]. Is this guy a nut or what?


GUTFELD: No Payless Shoe Stores. Wanted to introduce affordable fashion to young people.

WILLIAMS: Payless Shoes.

GUILFOYLE: OK, but you know why you're connecting, with your whole obsession with A.I. and robots and all, which was interesting.

GUTFELD: I'm a forward thinker, Kimberly.


GUTFELD: I identify with him.

GUILFOYLE: All right. See if you can have a little special reading club together. It would be perfect and weird and also creepy.

What do I think about him? He obviously has mental health issues, huge problem. No, I mean it in a nice way. Obviously, there is something wrong with him.

PERINO: In a nice way.

WILLIAMS: In a nice way.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my God. Hello, intervention, don't be by Lamar's bedside, post up.

BOLLING: Moving on to this one, we all know Canadians are just a little bit different than Americans. Case in point: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on the floor of the Canadian parliament. Now watch this and keep in mind, if this were the Senate floor and that was President Obama. Watch.




BOLLING: OK. So what happens there, he's trying to grab one of his friends or a parliament member. And he goes through the crowd, Juan and he elbows the woman right behind him, and she takes the elbow to the chest and created quite a...

WILLIAMS: I couldn't see. I hope the viewers at home could see better than I could. But did he do it intentionally?

BOLLING: OK, so I've watched this literally 15 times.

GUILFOYLE: Probably. Like "Sharknado."

BOLLING: I would say there's likely a chance he got upset and elbowed someone, not knowing it was a female and where he was hitting her.

WILLIAMS: But I like your comment. If it had been Obama, boy.

BOLLING: This stuff doesn't go on in the Senate.

GUILFOYLE: I know Juan just tried to, like, rope in Obama.

WILLIAMS: No, no, no. That's what Eric said.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my goodness gracious. I have no idea, because I can't actually really see. So I don't even know. I mean, I don't know. I've taken a few elbows, and I've given a few. But -- you know, that's...

BOLLING: Greg, your thoughts.

GUTFELD: He apologized right away. Which is what a gentleman does. (PRETENDS TO COUGH) Lewandowski. Interesting.

PERINO: We need another angle on the view. We could have a full investigation.

BOLLING: She almost fell.

GUILFOYLE: You know what we need? We need a reenactment.


GUILFOYLE: A reenactment. Dramatic.

PERINO: Like a Twitter storm.

GUTFELD: A true video reenactment.

GUILFOYLE: You and I can do it together, except if you elbowed me, it would hit me in the stomach. What?

BOLLING: Let me go. (UNINTELLIGIBLE) I'm not listening. Stay tuned, "Facebook Friday" up next.

GUILFOYLE: You just went rogue.



GUILFOYLE: Nice job.

GUTFELD: Thank you. "Facebook Friday," "What's Happenin'?"

All right. This is from Paul K. We're going to go around this way. "What economic advice" -- from Paul K. -- "would you give to someone just starting out," Dana?

PERINO: You absolutely have to have a lock box for your savings and retirement. Start now. Get the habit. That's good advice.

GUTFELD: Yes. I don't believe in it, but that's OK.

PERINO: You don't believe in retirement savings?

GUTFELD: No, I die poor. Eric.

BOLLING: Assuming you already don't have a Ph.D. or a higher degree, I would stay in school. Continue your high school. Get a college degree. If you finish college, get an advanced degree. Just keep working and going to school.

GUILFOYLE: And if Bernie is president, you can just go forever.

GUTFELD: It's free! Juan.


WILLIAMS: Wait a second. Wait a second, you said die poor?

GUTFELD: Can't take it with you.

WILLIAMS: Well, you don't want to live poor, especially when you're elderly?

GUTFELD: That's what I'm saying. Live extravagantly.

GUILFOYLE: He's going to leave it to the guys in the bodega.

WILLIAMS: Wait a minute, live extravagantly and rely on the government?

GUTFELD: No, I'm talking about -- no. I would...

BOLLING: End with zero.

GUTFELD: End with zero. Thank you.

WILLIAMS: You know why you have no children? They'd be some mad people. They would say, "Gregory, leave us some money."

GUILFOYLE: You know this is, like, not like a real segment, right?

GUTFELD: K.G., come on, here's your chance to help young Americans.

GUILFOYLE: Marry well, marry often.


GUILFOYLE: Diversified portfolio.

GUTFELD: That might be the most honest and best answer.

WILLIAMS: What about -- what about a prenup? Would you agree to that?

GUILFOYLE: Now I would.

GUTFELD: You know what I learned? My only advice is the money you make is way less than the money you spend. Like $1 of income is not the same as $1 out. So if you make $30,000 a year, it's actually not $30,000 a year. Don't spend like you do.


GUTFELD: Interesting.

GUILFOYLE: A 401(k).

BOLLING: You know a good reason to spend all your money? Because your money loses value over time.

GUTFELD: Yes. Get rid of it.

BOLLING: Inflation. You're right, spend it more while it's worth more.

WILLIAMS: But you could invest it.

GUTFELD: This is a good question.

WILLIAMS: You wouldn't invest it?

GUILFOYLE: Juan, you keep trying to make this a real segment. Come on, perfect.

GUTFELD: I'm going to go to you, because you're a good Catholic. From Susan F.

GUILFOYLE: I'm in very good standing with the Vatican.

GUTFELD: "Do you believe in ghosts?"

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh. So yes, in my Hamptons house that I no longer have -- I hope the people that bought it aren't watching. But anyway...

GUTFELD: First-world problems. First-world problems: "I have a ghost in my Hamptons how."

GUILFOYLE: Correct, correct. I know. No, really, it's true.

BOLLING: In the polo pony stable.

GUTFELD: The ghost has a British accent.

GUILFOYLE: I would hear -- for real, I would not go in that downstairs bedroom because there was ghosts in there. It was so gorgeous, and beautiful wallpaper and custom drapes. Didn't matter. Wouldn't catch me in there. Mama went upstairs.


BOLLING: It wasn't a ghost.

GUTFELD: It was some dude from down the road.

BOLLING: Next-door neighbor.

GUTFELD: Lou Dobbs.

GUILFOYLE: It was Lou Dobbs?

WILLIAMS: You weren't here for the Tuesday night midnight show.


WILLIAMS: So Bolling begins to -- "Hey, do you believe in aliens?"

I say no.

And then he comes back, "Do you believe in alien" -- I'm like, what is with this guy? And he says, "Oh, no, you know what? People around here used to believe in aliens."

BOLLING: We had a couple that sat at this table who were believing in ghosts and aliens.

GUTFELD: That's right, that's right.


BOLLING: Bob and...

WILLIAMS: Zombies and aliens.

GUILFOYLE: Bob and Kanye.

PERINO: Voldemort.

GUTFELD: So you don't or you do?

WILLIAMS: I do not. I mean, that's crazy.


BOLLING: Absolutely not. No, no, no.

PERINO: When I was a kid, I was really afraid to get the chore to go do -- pick eggs in the hen house. Because I thought there was a poultry-geist.


GUILFOYLE: Way to sneak in "Dana's Corny Jokes."

GUTFELD: I wish I was a ghost. Because a ghost has no digestive issues at all. In fact, you have absolutely no physical ailments. It's, like, the perfect life, because you have no physical realm. It's the best thing ever.

PERINO: But a ghost isn't a life.

BOLLING: Who would win, a ghost or an artificial -- a robot?

GUTFELD: That's tough. I'd have -- can I get back to you on that?

GUILFOYLE: He doesn't believe in, like, aliens or ghosts. But he believes...

GUTFELD: I believe in artificial intelligence is the thing. I don't believe in ghosts or aliens.

WILLIAMS: But wait a minute. So Casper can't touch you?

GUTFELD: Yes. Well -- there are some people that argue that's not the case.

If there were a ghost, they'd be thoroughly disgusted by me, by the way.

All right. "One More Thing" is next.

GUILFOYLE: That's weird.


PERINO: It's time now for "One More Thing" -- K.G.

GUILFOYLE: All right. I want to do a special congratulations to Greta Van Susteren, who last night in Washington, D.C., was a recipient of the 22nd annual Excellence in Journalism Award from the American Newswomen's Club. This was handed out last night, as I said, and past honorees include Katie Couric, Barbara Walters and last year's recipient, Nora O'Donnell.

And they said this about Greta: "We're delighted to pay tribute to Greta, an outstanding journalist and thoughtful commentator who skillfully uses her legal background in reporting on the highest-profile issues of the day," said Mary Katherine Andrews, who served as chair for the dinner.

And there's Greta right there. We're super proud of her. A number of us recorded well wishes for her. So Greta, well done indeed. And No. 1 in her time slot. Don't forget that.

Also to a special friend of "The Five," Melanie and Marcus Luttrell, his stepson right there, Hunter, fabulous young man who has just graduated from high school and has been accepted into Louisiana State University.

So Hunter, wishing you all the best. We're super proud of you from your friends here at "The Five." And never stop believing all things are possible.

PERINO: Congratulations. Juan Williams.

WILLIAMS: Hats off to Greta.

This week I was a guest at a tribute to Hispanic achievement in TV over the last 70 years. I was honored to be among the people of Latino heritage who were saluted by the Paley Center for Media here in New York. Here are some pictures. You'll see singer Gloria Estevan, her husband, Emilio Estevan. They were there.

Also, actor Edward James Olmos, actors George Lopez and, of course, America Ferrara.

And I want to show you a picture. Here I am with Erica Garcia and Carolyn Salazar of FOX News Latino. By the way, they have a great new poll out on Hispanic opinions going into the 2016 election. Go to FOXNewsLatino and take a look.

GUILFOYLE: Very nice.

PERINO: All right. Eric.

BOLLING: OK. So I'll be hosting a live "O'Reilly Factor" tonight. Big show. We're going to talk about all the terror stuff going on, all the 2016 issues, so make sure you watch that or DVR that.

"Cashin' In" will be tomorrow morning at 11:30.

But Jordan Spieth is top of the leader board, tied for the lead at the AT&T Byron Nelson Tournament. Check out what he did. Unbelievable. He puts his golf ball down. He puts a marshmallow on top of the golf ball. Hits the golf shot. Watch what happens to the marshmallow.




BOLLING: The only other person to ever do that? Juan Williams.

GUILFOYLE: That should be on Kimberly's food court.

PERINO: All right. Gutfeld.

GUILFOYLE: Marshmallows in our mouth.

GUTFELD: Marshmallows are white, so racist.

My show tomorrow, "Greg Gutfeld Show," 10 p.m. I've got Gavin McInnes, Alan Dershowitz. I think he's a famous professor. And Jillian (ph) Turner. And some of this.


GUTFELD: Greg's Secret to Happiness.


GUTFELD: It's been a while. You know when you're feeling down, sometimes the best thing you can do are some chores. Chores are a great way to relieve stress. Take a look at this fine young man.




GUTFELD: He likes doing the laundry. And here he is, separating the -- what do you call?

PERINO: The lights from the darks.

GUTFELD: Yes, there you go.

PERINO: I guess you do a lot of laundry.

GUILFOYLE: Who is that? You didn't name it. Piven?

GUTFELD: I believe -- I think that's Alec Baldwin.

GUILFOYLE: Alec Baldwin.

PERINO: What is that?

GUTFELD: I forgot. What kind of animal is that? It's a wombat. This is in Australia. That's the actual -- that's the country flower. The wombat.

GUILFOYLE: You know, it's very cute. It looks a little chubby, though, right?

GUTFELD: Well, it's healthy.

PERINO: Good eating down there.

GUILFOYLE: I think it's eating some of that laundry.

GUTFELD: Down underwear.

PERINO: I've got one. Currently going on in Tampa, the inaugural Women's Conference of Florida. It has over 1,000 attendees. Got some pictures, I believe. There's a long list of high-profile speakers. And it's a chance to get women from across the state to talk about how they can get involved and inspire them. They can invest in themselves and in others.

And this is put on by the Young Women in Tech Challenge. That's a project that they're doing, where teams are asked about researching issues in technology. And getting really responsive work out of them. So congratulations to those women.

Set your DVRs, so you never miss an episode of "The Five." That's it from us. Have a great weekend. "Special Report" is next.

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