Transcript: 2nd Cosby Accuser Speaks Out

This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," February 9, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: In an "On the Record" exclusive, the woman accusing Bill Cosby of drugging and groping her 30 years ago is speaking out. Tamara Green joins us from Los Angeles in her very first live television interview.

Welcome, Tamara.


VAN SUSTEREN: Tamara, first tell us a little bit about you. What do you do for a living?

GREEN: I'm a lawyer. I have practiced law since 1987, approximately. And I'm glad to be winding slowly out of it.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Take us back to when you first met Bill Cosby. Under what circumstances?

GREEN: Well, I grew up in Europe. I spent more than 20 years overseas altogether and I came back to the United States to go to university. And after that, I came as a bright-eyed, you know, 20-something-year-old girl to Los Angeles. And I was introduced to Bill by a mutual friend of ours, who was a wonderful guy who kept a free clinic down in Compton, I believe. And he thought I had a sparkling personality and introduced me to Bill Cosby because he felt that somehow, Bill Cosby could further my career as a singer and model and what have you.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. I've spoken to you on the phone, and I know that you have said that there was inappropriate gestures or groping of you. Tell us what you believe happened.

GREEN: Well, what happened was that, ultimately, I was going to be working for Bill Cosby. He wanted to open a club called the Bayou Club on La Cienega Boulevard. And what my chore was going to be was to go through his considerable list of friends and colleagues and raise memberships for this club, essentially raise capital for the club.

And so on a that day I was supposed to do that, I called him at a restaurant called Figaro's, which maybe people in L.A. still remember. And I said, you know, I can't work. I'm sick. I think I have the flu. So he said, Why don't you come over for lunch? Maybe you'll feel better. So I drive over to Figaro's, and there are a number of people at a table there. And he said, Do you think Contac would help? And I don't mean anything by that — the medicine, Contac. And I said, Yes, you know, why not? And well, he went into a back office area and he came out with two capsules. And in my mind, they're Contac. This is a person I trust, a person who has said Contac, and I put them in my mouth and swallowed them down.

And I'm telling you that within 20, 30 minutes, I felt fabulous. I didn't have the flu anymore, but shortly thereafter, I was almost literally face down in the table in my lunch. And he said, you know, You must be more ill than you thought you were, so why don't you let me take you home. And I couldn't have driven myself. So he drove me home.

And when I got home, I had lost most motor control. I could barely walk. I could barely hold my hands up. And you know, what happened next overtook me quite slowly because I was afraid I was very ill. I did not know that I had been drugged. So he wanted to help me to bed. He wanted to help me get my clothes off and tuck me in and make sure that I was all right. But in the process of doing that, he began to molest me, to violate me, to, you know, kiss me and you know, he took his pants down and, you know, details that you don't tell in polite company, but he basically violated me in the worst possible way. And I was helpless.

VAN SUSTEREN: Tamara, assuming these events occurred, how do you know that he didn't think that this was not a sort of a consensual thing? I recognize the fact that you had taken the two Contac, or whatever, but I mean, that it was a violation rather than that he didn't sort of think that perhaps you were more willing?

GREEN: Yes, well, if I had been willing, he wouldn't have had to give me two caps which were not Contac. But at a certain point, I realized that this was not an antihistamine and that this man was doing things to me that I had no intention of him ever doing to me, and I became infuriated. And though I had no physical motor control, I did have the wherewithal to tell him that if raped me, he had better kill me because I was not going to stand still for it and if he didn't kill me, that I was going to make such a rumpus that he would never hear the end of it.

VAN SUSTEREN: Let me ask you this. So the minute you gave the signal that you were unwilling, disinterested, he backed off.

GREEN: No, I can't say that. There ensued a struggle. There was sort of a business of making it OK. I mean, and you have to understand how incredibly stoned I was. For me, this is not a clear memory in terms of, OK, you know, this happened and then that happened. What happens is a series of morphing images. You know, I feel like sometimes I've heard combat soldiers report to me their memories of, you know, extreme terror or extreme situations where they remember it, you know, in pans and swishes. And it was sort of like that. But I did fight him.

VAN SUSTEREN: Is there any chance, though, that, you know, being stoned or being under the influence of this, that you know, perhaps that your mind exaggerates what went on, rather than the reality of the situation?

GREEN: Not a chance. If I had wanted to date this man or I had wanted to invite him into my apartment to go to bed with me, I would have known that in advance. It's not something that you make up your mind to do after somebody has given you what is not an antihistamine. And so at a certain point, I reached for a lamp that was beside my bed and threatened to throw it through my plate glass window. I didn't even know, frankly, if my voice was carrying or how far it was carrying. You know, you're in a severely altered state that makes it very difficult for you to judge who can hear you or what's happening to you. But you know, I was combative, and I'm not exactly victim material.

VAN SUSTEREN: Tamara, as a lawyer, you know that in all these cases, there are several questions that arise, typical questions like, Is there any way to corroborate "He says, she says," who says what? Over the course of 30 years, did you tell anyone about this event? And if so, who?

GREEN: I told loads of people. Ultimately, I told my parents. I told both my husbands. I told my best friends. You know, it really depends sort of what company you're in and the circumstances.

You know, the other thing is Bill Cosby is an icon in this country, and it never occurred to me at the time that it happened to go running off to the police and say, you know, He touched me or he did this. What made me furious, beyond what he had done to me psychologically, I felt that I had successfully thwarted a rape. I didn't feel the way, you know, modernly, you say it's a battery, it's an inappropriate touching. Sure, I was grabbed and groped, but I felt in my own mind that I had thwarted a rape, that I had successfully taken care of myself and fought back.

But when I came out into my living room, you know, staggered out to see what was going on after that, I found two $100 bills on my coffee table, which made me nuts!


VAN SUSTEREN: Bill Cosby's camp is striking back following Tamara Green's charges Cosby drugged and groped her 30 years ago. Cosby's lawyer says:

"Ms. Green's allegations are absolutely false. Mr. Cosby does not know the name Tamara Green or Tamara Lussier (ph), and the incident she describes did not happen. Not a single detail in the article has been corroborated by anyone. The fact that she may have repeated this story to others is not corroboration."

Tamara, are you surprised by the statements of the lawyer for Bill Cosby?

GREEN: No, not at all. You know, when I first heard about the woman who came out and accused him currently, I heard just a tiny, 10-second piece that she was accusing him of sexual assault. Following that, I heard that she claimed that he had drugged her and committed a sexual assault. Well, now, that got my attention because I never came forward with other allegations of sexual assault when he was accused of having a child or when the child that he purported to have had tried to extort money from him or any other sexual allegations. But what caught my attention was the fact that it was exactly the same MO. It was, you know, Come to my house, you don't feel very well, and take these pills. And now she's flailing and assaulted. That's what happened to me.

Now, I still didn't come forward at that time, but then I heard it quoted, though I didn't hear directly from the DA, that the DA thought it was a rather weak case and that they were suspicious of somebody who would wait so long to come forward. And I thought, yes, well, they don't really understand what a tremendously difficult thing it is to come out, as I'm doing and as she's doing, against the weight of power and wealth and reputation.

And finally, the last straw for me — and the reason I'm saying this is because at that time — was his lawyer then made a release against this current victim, saying, It is preposterous that Bill Cosby could ever be accused of such a thing, or ever do such a thing. And I thought, you know, My hind foot. That's exactly what he did to me.

And that's when I decided to make the call to the district attorney's office — knowing, by the way, that they would land on me with all four feet, knowing that people would put him under pressure, saying, If she's lying, then why don't you sue her, knowing that he doesn't recall my name because I'm not certain that my name was the thing that most interested him about me. I'm not surprised because he's met nearly a million women since he knew me. My name is not something he would remember. But I'm certain that if we both sat down across the table nose to nose, hooked up to a lie-detector machine, and somebody said to him, Did you ever give drugs to a woman with intent to inflict yourself upon her against her will in the '70s, I'd like to see what the needle says.

VAN SUSTEREN: When you had this call with the authorities in connection with this newest allegation, did you get an idea of how serious or what sort of validity they gave to your statements?

GREEN: Well, you know, in a funny way, we corroborate each other. The only thing I know, even as we speak, about her story is what I have read in the press or heard in the free time that I've had in the last couple of days. And she doesn't know me and I don't know her and I don't know her name or anything about her. But I thought that the two situations were so completely the same. And I knew that they would come after her with the might and the weight of a, you know, battalion of attorneys, the huge PR machine, the great power of wealth, and the reputation of the great Bill Cosby.

He has done tremendous things in this country. He has done great things for education. He has done great things for children. He has done marvelous things with his life. But that's not to say that a person should not be able to tell her story and not be dismissed and disrespected and completely sort of disbelieved.

So I came forward, not for myself so much — because trust me, this will be a burden, this is going to be very difficult. I'm a lawyer. I'm a trial lawyer. I've been a lawyer for 18 years. This will not be easy. This will be a terrible fight.

But I encourage women, and I hope that me coming forward and taking this kind of heat — and I hope that people watch to see what they try to do to me as I stand up here and try to defend this woman and say, I have a case with exactly the same modus operandi that hers has.

VAN SUSTEREN: Have you had any conversation with this woman at all?

GREEN: None at all.

VAN SUSTEREN: Let me back up for a second. I cut you off when we went to the break before — the two $100 bills that enraged you.

GREEN: Oh, that did it for me. You know, you asked me whether or not it could have been consensual. If you have consensual sex with somebody, does anybody leave $200 on your coffee table? His comment was that he got what he paid for, and he got it by drugging and he that really is evidence, I believe, the $200, of the fact that it wasn't consensual.

VAN SUSTEREN: Outside of the statements made to your ex-husbands, the two ex-husbands and parents and family and friends, is there any other way that you can think of that corroborates what you say? Because it's an awful long time ago that these incidents occurred.

GREEN: Well, part of the problem is, is that there are only ever two people in the room during a sexual assault. That's the first thing. So if I had run out the door and told somebody that day, it would still be a matter of something that I told them that day. And there will be people, if I go through my old telephone books and drum up the people that I used to know 30 years ago — and I happen to have my old phone books, I will try to track them down because I told him at the time, after I was able to find him by phone several days later — and I don't remember if it was face-to-face or on the phone — I will tell everyone I ever meet what you did to me.

It wasn't my inclination. You have to remember, this is in the early '70s, when women didn't have the same rights and status that they have now, that they fought so hard for. Women, you know, didn't just run off to the cops and say, A movie star molested me, in Hollywood. You know, it just wasn't something that you were inclined to do. It never occurred to me in my 20s to ever hire a lawyer to sue him civilly. I can tell you that.

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