The left lining up to apologize for Hamas?

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," July 29, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Andrea Tantaros, along with Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."


TANTAROS: Sorry, Bob. We're just going start the show if you don't mind.

A short while ago, the president delivered a new statement from the White House on Russia and the crisis in Ukraine. He addressed whether America is in the middle of a new Cold War. You'll hear what he said in a minute.

But, first, Israel intensified its military campaign against Hamas today with the heaviest airstrikes since the start of its operation three weeks ago. The air raids could stop but the Hamas has rejected a Palestinian call for a cease-fire.

Back at home, some prominent liberals have been waiting into the crisis. Listen to our former secretary of state actually defend Hamas for hiding rockets in civilian areas like schools.


HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: The problem is, and this is something -- I'm not a military planner, but Hamas puts its missiles, its rockets in civilian areas. Part of it is that Gaza is pretty small and it's very densely populated. They put their command and control of Hamas military leaders in those civilian areas.


TANTAROS: And in case you didn't hear, Hamas is a humanitarian organization, according to Nancy Pelosi.


REP. NANCY PELOSI (D), CALIFORNIA: We have to support the Palestinians of what they need. And we have to confer with the Qataris who have told me over and over again that Hamas is a humanitarian organization, maybe they could use their influence to --


CANDY CROWLEY, CNN: A U.S. declared terrorist organization, though, correct, to you?

PELOSI: Mmm-hmm.



TANTAROS: A humanitarian organization? Eric, what humanitarian organization do you know that has missiles?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: I have no idea what either one of them are talking about. Gaza is too small, so they have to put their missiles in schools. And it's a humanitarian -- here's the question: how to you negotiate with someone whose only mission is to wipe Israel off the map.
You don't. That's the point.

We should be behind Israel to just destroy Hamas, just completely wipe out Hamas, defang `em, dismantle them, so they don't come back and do this again and again and again.

Hamas doesn't care about human life. They don't care about Israelis lives. They don't care about Palestinians lives. They don't care about American lives. They don't even care about their own life.

The only way to negotiate with them is to beat them so we have to keep pounding them. Stop listening to Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton and John Kerry who put them on the same level as the Palestinians and back Israel and wipe Hamas out once and for all.

TANTAROS: Bob, you're shaking your head.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Well, I mean, first of all, the Kerry thing got a bad rap. That was something that was leaked out of Israel and it's not fair to Kerry. His proposal had nothing to do with (INAUDIBLE).

I have one other points, whoever wrote that thing that said Hillary Clinton said schools, she never ever said schools. That is a bad use of words, and whoever wrote it should be hung.

Now, I think that now --

TANTAROS: It said like schools.

BECKEL: No, no, it said schools.

Now, the fact of the matter is we're now into this. There's over
1,000 Palestinians have been killed. Israel has lost about 70 people, almost all soldiers. I think they have now committed themselves to this.
I think Netanyahu said they are going to do this. They're going to get rid of these tunnels, and I think that they have to now finish it.

I think if the world would just at least have an impartial view about this and the media have an impartial view. I have yet to see, yet to see a European leader come to the defense of Israel strongly and beat on Hamas.
I cannot understand.

TANTAROS: What's so troubling is that Hillary Clinton was trying to make excuses for Hamas, a terrorist organization, and what's implicit in what she said and what's implicit in what Nancy Pelosi said is that they are legitimatizing the fact that Hamas has a right to exist. That's the way they're talking. They're not calling them a terrorist organization, in fact, just the opposite.

And they are basically saying, well, they have right to exist and the right to achieve their goals. Nancy Pelosi went as far as to say that we should help them. Won't this encourage Hamas, Dana, and even further than this, to me this is a huge departure from U.S. policy in the past.

I mean, President Bush was very clear when it came to terrorist organizations. We've gotten so far away from how we describe them with the Obama administration, it's just mind blowing.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: I think it's a little bit of fog from Foggy Bottom because that's where the State Department is based. I don't know if Hillary Clinton -- she would say, I wasn't making an excuse for them. I was explaining to everybody how difficult and complex the situation is over there.

Let me put myself in the shoes of the Palestinians so that I can explain to you and it's just not as forceful as a candidate you would hope for somebody to say I'm very clear cut on this. You would hope she might say, is Hamas a terrorist organization? Yes. Should they not be putting Gaza civilians in harm's way? Absolutely.

I mean, something that that's very clear would be better I think for her as a candidate than explaining all the briefings she got at Foggy Bottom.

BECKEL: That's a good idea. Hillary said repeatedly over and over again, Hamas is a terrorist organization. Simple.

Pelosi is a different story. Pelosi doesn't know anything more about foreign policy than a sixth grader.

TANTAROS: But, Greg, it sounded like a justification for why Hamas is using these kids as human shields, which, look, whether you want to support the Palestinians -- I mean, Hillary Clinton has a very sketchy past. She caught heat when she put her arm around Suha Arafat, when her husband was in the White House.

Bob, it's true, I'm sorry. But it sounded to me like even though she knows they use these PR tactics of putting missiles in schools and hospitals, she was trying to justify it.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Well, if you look at Kerry's recent failures and you look at Pelosi and you look at some of the mansplaing that Hillary does, you get the sense that Israel lost the Democratic Party. When Pelosi uses the word humanitarian, does that mean Hamas' missiles are care packages? If you call Hamas humanitarian that's like saying Ted Bundy is a candy striper.

A lot of this comes back to -- where are these people educated? Why are the media doing pro bono PR work for Hamas? It's because they all come from the same place, which is a far -- I know you're going to love this, Bob -- but they come from a far left campus that views Israel --

BECKEL: All of them.

GUTFELD: -- that views Israel the same way that they view America from an anti-Western perspective.

Anti-Zionism on most campuses is a major. It's something you get scored very well if you agree with your professors. If you are coming from an environment where somebody like Bill Ayers can get tenure, then it's no surprise that Hamas is seen sympathetically. If bin Laden were alive today, he'd be doing commencement addresses on some of these campuses.

BECKEL: That maybe true, but I'm going to go back in here for Hillary Clinton. The idea of suggesting that she feels that Hamas has some right to exist over there and to do this and it's not a territory --


BOLLING: She's apologetic.

BECKEL: She's not apologetic. That's bull.

BOLLING: She just said the reason why Hamas is putting rockets in civilian areas is because it's such a small country.

BECKEL: That's right and that's true.

BOLLING: The U.N. found missiles in schools, not the United States.

BECKEL: She didn't say it. That's the point. Just because our producers want to make they are sound like that.


BOLLING: You said John Kerry didn't put Hamas on an equal playing field as Israel, he certainly did. The cease-fire that he proposed was, here, Hamas, here's billions in foreign aid. We're going to lift the blockade around your country, and then move forward from there. That's exactly what Hamas wants. Nothing that Israel wants.

Let me just tell you something. They are wrong. They need to -- no cease-fire. Forget the cease-fire. He shouldn't be calling for a cease- fire, Kerry. We should be calling for escalation in Israeli's defense of themselves in the region.

BECKEL: The policy that you'd just outlined for John Kerry has never been written as a policy statement.

TANTAROS: But, Bob, on this show, you have in the past called the government of Qatar a terrorist organization. You said it basically a terrorist organization.


TANTAROS: John Kerry rather than go to Jordan or rather than go to the Saudis is taking heat today for bungling this even further by going to countries like Qatar and like Turkey and, as Eric points out, legitimatizing Hamas because he wanted to negotiate directly with them.
How can you agree with that?

BECKEL: Where do you expect him to go? The Saudis are underwriting most of the terrorism in the region, number one. So they can keep their little kingdom in place. The Jordanians are in no position to do anything.
They're dealing with all these Syrian refugees.

Where are you going to go? Who are you going to deal with?

BOLLING: Why do we have to deal with anybody? Just back Israel.

BECKEL: Oh, I see.

BOLLING: End it. Yes. Here's whatever you need. We got your back.

BECKEL: We're doing away -- any relations with any countries, Egypt, because it doesn't matter.

BOLLING: I'm talking about Gaza and Israel, Bob. You're talking about all the other countries. By the way, I would beg to differ with the Saudis being the major finance of terror. I would say the Iranians are.

BECKEL: No, not even close.

TANTAROS: Well, that's where Hamas is getting their missiles. So, it's a little -- it's unsettling to hear people like Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton be apologist for a terrorist organization.

BECKEL: That's such an unfair statement.

GUTFELD: The issue with Kerry --

TANTAROS: Not my words, theirs.

GUTFELD: The issue with Kerry, when you're engineering a truce it only offers an opportunity for losers to reload. The perfect truce is when the bad guy can't get up.

BECKEL: OK. So if you think the United States should go and support Israel and not try to find some way to get a cease-fire.

GUTFELD: I think a cease-fire is the equivalent of faking an injury on the field so your team can regroup and change momentum. That's all it is. It's falling down and faking an injury.

Once do you that you allow your team to change the momentum. Israel had the momentum. If you end this thing soon, it's like pulling a Band-Aid off. Pull the Band-Aid off very quickly, the pain is quick and gone. But if you keep doing this truce thing, it lasts forever.

BECKEL: Two countries that recognize Israel in the region, Egypt and Jordan. If that were to happen, they were both drop --


BOLLING: Why don't Egypt and Jordan get together --

BECKEL: Egypt was the first one to propose a cease-fire.


BOLLING: Yes, let them come back and do it again.

BECKEL: Hamas said no. Hamas said no to six including their own, by the way.

PERINO: Right. But I think, Bob, I do think that if you read across the elites that write about this that Egypt and Israel were on the same page. Qatar and Turkey are on the same page with Hamas. That undercut Abbas in Fatah because Hamas has a relationship with Fatah, which the administration -- I wouldn't say allowed to happen -- but didn't try to prevent.

I think what Hillary Clinton is being is realistic rather than apologetic.

TANTAROS: All right. You mentioned knocking down the bad guy, President Obama took to the Rose Garden earlier today to talk about sanctions against Russia possibly even knocking down the other bad guy based in Moscow.

Take a listen.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The United States is imposing new sanctions in key sectors of the Russian economy, energy, arms and finance. We're blocking the exports of specific goods and technologies to the Russian energy sector. We're expanding our sanctions to more Russian banks and defense companies. And we're formally suspending credit that encourages exports to Russia.

REPORTER: Are we in a new Cold War, sir?

OBAMA: No. It's not a new Cold War. What it is, is a very specific issue related to Russia's unwillingness to recognize that Ukraine can chart its own path.


TANTAROS: OK. Eric, what do you think about the sanctions? Some of them involve the energy sector. But, historically, Russia has a pretty high threshold for pain, ands this is not about money for Putin. I'm sure some rich men in Russia will squeal. But he's about power.

Will this work?

BOLLING: I actually outlined these exact same three yesterday. I said, number one --

BECKEL: Yes, you did. I give you credit for that, by the way.

BOLLING: The energy sector number one and he did exactly what I recommended. The defense sector and also the banking sector, the finance sector. Block some capital to international banks that do -- some Russian international banks. So, you start blocking that, and it -- I think, honestly, I think these are going to work. I think these are exactly where he needs to go. If President Obama and European Union who is on board with these and will play and participate as he said they will, including Germany and the Netherlands, if they play with Obama sanctions spot on, Mr.
President you nailed it. But I guess you're watching "The Five."

BECKEL: You all were calling for him -- that was a very strong statement. A very strong statement.

PERINO: You didn't even watch it.


PERINO: You weren't even watching it.

BECKEL: I was just listening to what he said.


BECKEL: Why do you have to say that for?

PERINO: Because I was sitting here with you, I was trying to watch it.

BECKEL: I know he offered up sanctions. So --

PERINO: I know because i told you.


PERINO: And I was complimenting the president. I think --

BECKEL: Thank you very much.

PERINO: Well, after you said that I have something on my teeth the other day, I feel like I have to get back at you. Here's a sector that President Obama didn't include that I think the next round should and that is propaganda firms in the United States or you call them PR firms. They have pocketed millions of dollars from Putin and Russia over the years, and I think sanctions should be placed on them and they should not be allowed to do PR and make Putin look good in America and especially in their country. And I would close down Russia Today in New York as well.

TANTAROS: Greg, what do you think about his response when the reporter said, is this a new Cold War, and he said, no, it's not a new Cold War?

GUTFELD: Well, I don't -- I guess it's not. It's more like a cool conflict as opposed to a Cold War. I think it's the 12 days and a ruble short, does that make sense? Because it won't undo the damage done the crash site. That's still been irreparably compromised.

The other thing, too, is what the hell did he do about France? Did he stop those -- did he stop the sale of the assault ships? Those are not Carnival cruise ships. Those are assault ships that will be used.

BECKEL: You should ask Dana, I think she knows about that.

GUTFELD: You might know that, I don't know.

PERINO: I got to admit that I don't know, and I've been trying to find out in particular.

GUTFELD: But I also want to know what do they -- what are they going to get out of this. What is the end game? What do they expect Russia to do? Does it have something to do with the crash site? Are they going to allow people to get full entry into this and figure out what happened? I don't know.

BECKEL: We're not going to war over the crash site. The question is, will this keep the Russians from invading Ukraine?

TANTAROS: But they're in the middle -- our own Steve Harrigan was on the air about an hour ago. And he tried to explain, they are in the middle of a war right now and he didn't -- President Obama didn't list off if they don't stop doing X, Y and Z -- to me, it was very vague. What do they need to stop doing in order to, I guess stop these sanctions? And if they don't, then what? Again, there was a blank that wasn't filled in.

BECKEL: These sanctions are going to hurt them.

BOLLING: Yes, I think the sanctions will hurt. The European Union has been reluctant to use sanctions because they are worried about their energy. If they think the U.S. will help them with their energy needs, whether financially or physical oil, I think they may adhere to the sanctions. This is going to hurt Russia.

BECKEL: You know, the thing I say -- I did say last week, by the way, that this shooting down the plane was the worst thing that could happen to Putin and it is.


TANTAROS: All right. And we'll see.

PERINO: Let me see if we can pat ourselves on the back a little bit more for all of our in-depth policy analysis. I do think Obama will help President Putin find a way out of this. One of the statements he made it doesn't have to be this way and it doesn't have to be this way going forward. So, I think the best leadership is something we might not ever see, which is a way for Putin to keep the popularity at home but to figure a way out of the corner that he's back himself into.

TANTAROS: All right. Ahead on "The Five," a verdict has been reached in Jesse Ventura's defamation case against late "American Sniper" author, Chris Kyle. We'll tell you how the jury ruled, you won't believe it.

Plus, some surprising remarks from Whoopi Goldberg by domestic violence. You'll hear that and more coming up on "The Five."


GUTFELD: How do you know when you got a bad idea? When your political opponent uses it to make money. Hence, the Dems mentioning impeachment, to get their base to write fat checks.

The fact is, despite a few loud voices on cable and talk radio, the GOP doesn't take this stuff seriously and haven't taken the bait. The White House wants the loudest crankiest voices to become the GOP base because that raises cash.

While I get the frustration over Obama's gross incompetence, impeachment is a stunt. And like all stunts, it's tossed out by people addicted to splash those stunts make. Sometimes these people find a platform here.

However, it's a losing proposition for it offers no foresight, only fireworks. The White House was cynical to use such noise to frighten their constituents and shows their desperation in trying to push those themes.

Strangely, it's almost a tacit acknowledgement how poor of a job Obama is doing. They are not saying "are you kidding?" when impeachment is brought up. Instead, they threaten their base. It's very close to saying, yes, we get it it's awful but let's save him from himself.

So, why help them? If somebody is using your tune to raise funds, change your tune. Persuasiveness beats petulance. After all, Jon Stewart has enough writers. Do we really have to write his scripts for him too?

So, Dana, the strategy is you have bloggers and talking heads, not GOP leadership --

PERINO: A few.

GUTFELD: A few, saying this stuff. So, what happens is, the strategy to take this non-party opinion and make it a threat to raise funds, which actually clever.

PERINO: One of the things that is a problem for any party out of power from the White House, there's no head for the party per se, right?
Even if the Republicans have been in the wilderness for eight years, and until we have the election in 2016, still won't have anybody because it wasn't McCain, it wasn't Romney.

But President Obama on the other hand has been the head of the Democrats for a little bit longer than eight years now. So, he can set the agenda.

Because they decided that this was a great way for them to make money, we have spent a week arguing about whether we are going to talk about impeachment. And I -- we're not talking about the economy or health care opportunity, and we do this to ourselves.

GUTFELD: Yes. In fact, I want to roll to Boehner talking about it being a scam now.


REP. JOHN BOEHNER (R-OH), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: This whole talk about impeachment it's coming from the president's own staff, and coming from Democrats on Capitol Hill. Why? Because they are trying to rally their people to give money and to shore up this year's elections.

We have no plans to impeach the president. We have no future plans.
Listen, it's all a scam started by Democrats at the White House.


GUTFELD: Andrea, fat check. Was this really a scam started by Democrats?


TANTAROS: I think they would love it to be true. They would love nothing for it to be true. Republicans should just ignore it.

I mean, look, Boehner came out, he needed to say it. Good, I'm glad he said it. If you're a Republican, you should not even address the question because it continues to fuel the story. So pretend like it doesn't exist.

You know, impeachment is for high crimes and misdemeanors. Gross incompetence is not a high crime and a misdemeanor, unfortunately.

But here's my concern, Greg, and I suppose I'm a little bit sinister but being in political consulting for a while made me that way.

I'm wondering if President Obama doesn't do something in the next two years worthy impeachment, just to bait Republicans into it. I wouldn't put it past him in the White House to do something like that.


TANTAROS: That's my fear.

GUTFELD: But, Eric, you know, fundraising on both sides are predicated on sensationalism. Everybody does it. But why do we have to give them as a conservative or libertarian give them these options.

BOLLING: I guess because you test the waters, you throw something out there and you see how it goes. But in your point, Democrats saw how volatile it was. It was swinging in their direction. They took and ran with it.

Talk radio, the hosts who were talking about it kind of backed off it when they realized it was a little bit -- even that sounded a little bit crazy. So, in my -- I could be completely wrong. I don't know anybody still on the right who are saying we got to impeach the guy and trying to -
- whatever.

GUTFELD: There's one. It rhymes with Sarah Palin.

BOLLING: Well, whatever.

TANTAROS: Who could that be?

BOLLING: My point is that the Democrats said, hey, this is really working in our favor let's blow it up. They blew it up at the White House.
The DCCC raised $2.1 million in one weekend on impeachment.

There was one congressman, I think he raised a million himself. So, they're playing it right. But is that fair, though? I mean, if we took everything President Obama said that was wrong and kept playing it --

GUTFELD: We have.

BOLLING: -- and keep doing it over and over, I mean, I didn't said you didn't build that. I didn't say you didn't build that in a long time.


BECKEL: You say this is a bunch of bloggers and radio, but this started from those right-wing, yahoo Tea Party people. You want me to go through the list who called for impeachment before. Steve Stockman from Texas. Blake Farenthold, Ted Yoho, whatever the hell that is. Then, it's King, that crazy man from Iowa.

I mean, this started on the Tea Party right, which is again an example of why you guys have got to get control of these people because they are going to kill you. They are a bunch of yahoo idiots!

GUTFELD: I don't think that was an accurate portrayal of what those people said.

BECKEL: No, it's right here, it's right here. You want to read it.

GUTFELD: No, you're reading the Earnest quote.

PERINO: Right. But, Bob, the thing is the left would like to try to make the right, the center of the right be far more right than it actually is. You cannot deny that we do have -- on the Republican side, you do have people that have a huge platform. I mean, big platforms to be able to spread this kind of thing. Then, we're like oh, wait, we can't say that.
I can't -- stop.

TANTAROS: Look what they did to Todd Akin. It only takes one maniac on the right to say something crazy, the way the media is structured. They wait for it. They seize it. And they elevate that person to be face of the party. So, Republicans have to be extra careful.

But I will say this. There's a movement in talk radio and on the right to profiteer from these wild ideas, to drive calls and do it. I mean, that is the formula, they're staking out their territory on the right.


PERINO: I hope they done an equivalent amount of money.

BECKEL: I still think it's a cool way to raise money for the Democrats, so keep at it.

GUTFELD: But the point is, I mean, the same thing goes with Hobby Lobby where they actually took something which had nothing to do with banning contraception but made it into oh, my God, this Hobby Lobby decision, you're never going to have contraception again, so we must -- we must --

BECKEL: You're not.

GUTFELD: Yes, exactly, Bob.

All right. Next, my favorite topic: "The Bachelorette" picked her bachelor and then something awful happened that will change your life forever. The ugly mess when "The Five" returns.


BOLLING: Welcome back to the fastest seven minutes in cable. Three fiery stories, seven fierce minutes, one fired-up host.

First up, Jesse Ventura is known for his antics in and on wrestling programs. Oh, yes. Somehow this clown was elected governor of Minnesota.
But he will be forever known to me as the fool.

Jesse "The Body" Ventura sued the widow of an American hero, Chris Kyle. He wanted $15 million from the deceased Navy vet's family. The jury came back today and awarded Ventura 1.8 million bucks.

Guys, I cannot understand this ruling. Anyone outraged by this?
Anybody? Yes, Bob.

BECKEL: I don't know about the details of the -- of what happened.
Was there really a punch thrown? Was there really this confrontation?

BOLLING: He isn't suing for that.


BOLLING: He's suing Chris Kyle's family because he said he's defamed and he can't earn a living anymore.

BECKEL: Well, did he say he was defamed because Chris Kyle said something about him?

BOLLING: If you read the book. Come on.

PERINO: If you have made a complete fool of yourself, can you then sue for defaming of your character? I mean, he has defamed his own character.

GUTFELD: But wait. I guess Kyle, the late -- the sniper had said that this guy had made some words about not enough SEALs had died, and that that is -- that is defamatory, especially since Ventura is a Navy SEAL and his family is in the military. And you say something like that, you've got to have evidence to back it up.

I think Ventura is an annoying jerk, but sometimes annoying jerks can be right. And we will never know if this was -- if this was real or not.
We don't know.

BOLLING: But they sued the wife, the widow. The wife.

GUTFELD: I think he wanted that stuff out of the book.

TANTAROS: That's where -- that's where the members of the military or the veterans have spoken out about this. They said really? Because Chris Kyle passed away. They say you have to go after the estate of his widow.

I can understand wanting to clear your name. I would imagine, though, that if the jury ruled that way, there was probably enough evidence that Ventura did not say it.

BOLLING: Great point. How about ruling in favor of Jesse Ventura and awarding him a big fat zero dollars?

GUTFELD: Or maybe if he could take the money and not take it, just say, "I don't want the money."

TANTAROS: Or donate it to the Wounded Warriors. If he really is concerned about...

BOLLING: Let's see what kind of integrity Jesse Ventura has. We'll check. We'll follow up on that.

We told you about Ray Rice, seen here dragging his unconscious girlfriend out of the elevator where he had just knocked her out. ESPN's Stephen A. Smith first suggested it might be her fault, then apologized, saying that defending Rice was the biggest mistake of his life.

Believe it or not, Whoopi Goldberg was sympathetic to Smith's arguments. Watch.


WHOOPI GOLDBERG, CO-HOST, ABC'S "THE VIEW": If you hit somebody, you cannot be sure you are not going to get hit back. You have to teach women, do not live with this idea that men have the chivalry thing still with them. Don't assume that that's still in place. Don't be surprised if you hit a man and he hits you back.

If you make the choice as a woman, who is 4'3" and you decide to hit a guy who's six foot tall and you're the last thing he wants to deal with that day, and he hits you back, you cannot be surprised.


BOLLING: Whoopi, a fool. Stephen A. Smith was suspended for a week by ESPN. I don't know. Whoopi is making the arguments that she -- that he made.

GUTFELD: No. I disagree completely.

BOLLING: Go ahead.

GUTFELD: I don't think so. I think Whoopi is the only person on noncable television who fearlessly speaks her mind. She has -- her opinion may not reflect every white female liberal, but she doesn't give a damn.

And we don't know what happened in that elevator. I have no idea. It looks terrible. But Whoopi doesn't give a damn, and I always respect that about her.

BOLLING: I do, but how about the opinion she's taking? The stance she's taking is that it may actually be this 100-pound young lady's fault as she's dragged out, being knocked out by this...

GUTFELD: She's saying that we have no idea. I don't -- I don't know what happened in that elevator. And yes, it's horrible. You don't hit girls. I get it. I get it. But I have to respect Whoopi, because she doesn't care.

PERINO: Somebody said about -- having been hit by a couple of women in my life...

GUTFELD: Just a couple?

BECKEL: Well, more than a few.

GUTFELD: A couple in cars.

BECKEL: And then missing them completely, because I was drunk and I hit the side of wall. But they do. You've got to be careful about hitting men.

BOLLING: My God, please bring some sanity to this table.

TANTAROS: Neither sex should resort to violence. That should be the point. But I don't think what Whoopi was saying was exactly what Stephen A. Smith was saying.

I actually think Whoopi is making a very realistic point. She's saying that chivalry and civility is gone. The era of men -- Bob, you're from a different generation.

PERINO: She says you hit women.

BOLLING: I know.

TANTAROS: Not true. You're the exception. Never mind.

She was trying to say that these days, if you hit man don't expect that kind of, you know, Clark Gable "I'm just going to back off this."
They might hit you back. That is reality. I think she's right.

BOLLING: I think Dana is going to...

PERINO: I think that Whoopi was trying to empower women by having more smarts and thinking about it.

Now, when this show first started, we did a story about this. And I said something similar to Whoopi Goldberg, and I got creamed for weeks by the domestic violence people, saying that I was blaming the victim. I wasn't. I was trying to make her point.

But the difference is she can make that point and make a big difference, because people will listen to her and not try to attack her for what she said. Well, I mean, I don't think it was -- I actually think we're agreeing.

BOLLING: I'm just going to throw this in here. Again, there is never a reason for a man to hit a woman ever.

GUTFELD: That's not what she was saying.

TANTAROS: We all agree.

BOLLING: All right. Finally, what happens in the fantasy suite didn't stay in the fantasy suite on this season's "Bachelorette." Note to
self: after the show, Google "fantasy suite." Last night was the finale, and Andi Dorfman had to face her -- help me out. I don't watch the show.

TANTAROS: All right. I am the official Ed Henry of reality TV.

Last night on the season finale of "The Bachelorette," Andi Dorfman, who some say I bear a striking resemblance to, got a proposal from former ball player Josh. But the man that she rejected, Nick, very jilted, decided to drop this bomb that something dirty happened in the fantasy suite.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you weren't in love with me -- not sure why, like why you made love with me.

ANDI DORFMAN, REALITY TV STAR: First of all, I think that's below the belt. That's something that should be private and kept private.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm not trying to put you below the belt.

DORFMAN: You already have.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's how you made me feel. To me, that night like, that was like fiancee type of stuff.


BOLLING: It's all good.

GUTFELD: I love this. She said, "Wait a second. That was supposed to be private." You're on a reality show! You're on a reality show where you're making out with guys every day. And now all of a sudden, he says something honest, and you go, "Oh, wow you just stepped over." Nothing is private when you do a reality show.

BECKEL: That's exactly right and she's a slut.



TANTAROS: Are you kidding me right now?

BECKEL: When she sleeps with somebody else and doesn't...

TANTAROS: Excuse me, Bob, you probably sleep with a different woman every night.

BECKEL: I'm not on some "Bachelorette."

TANTAROS: No, you're on "The Five."

BECKEL: See what America's going to.

GUTFELD: I mean, who cares?

TANTAROS: Those in glass booth bars, Beckel. Those in glass booth bars.

BECKEL: I have never -- I have never tried to hide any of my own peccadillos.

GUTFELD: That is so true. Never -- never been a truer statement than that.


TANTAROS; Your peccadillos. Thank you, Bob. Every word you never say.

PERINO: I was going to say that that whole episode really lowered the bar on "The Bachelorette," which would be hard to do. But I think that we just surpassed ourselves here and lowered it even further. Congratulations to us.

GUTFELD: Great show, though.

PERINO: Is it live?

BECKEL: ... do you?

BOLLING: Next up, if you're a bachelor or bachelorette and you're wondering why your last date was so bad after meeting them online, Dana will actually have the answer coming up.

GUTFELD: Oh, my God.


TANTAROS: It's not easy for singles to find the right match and one of the most popular online dating sites is actually making it more difficult, on purpose. OK Cupid has just admitted to mismatching its users as part of an experiment to see how they behave. In a blog post, the website's president was unapologetic, writing, "OK Cupid doesn't really know what it's doing. Neither does any other website. Experiments are how you sort all this out. If you use the Internet, you're the subject of hundreds of experiments at any given time."

You may remember Facebook also came under fire last month for manipulating users' news feeds. Should these sites be playing games with people's personal lives?

Greg, you are our dating expert.

GUTFELD: That is true.

PERINO: Dating people, there's a whole new way of meeting people.
And Eric was just showing me it's a big business, online dating.

GUTFELD: It's a huge business. Here's the thing. This is genius.

Everybody lies on their -- on their forms, right, when they're on these dating websites. So the fact that they mismatch them actually matched them, because if people are lying it doesn't matter. If you try to put them together it doesn't matter. Take this person, take this person.
It doesn't matter.

But the fact is -- this is why we need more jobs. The best way to meet people is at work. That's how you find people with shared interests.
People say you shouldn't date at work. It's better than the bar scene.
It's better than online, because you get to know people. So young people today, they need to get jobs, get the money and a honey.

BECKEL: Exactly right. I lied on mine. I said that I was -- my body was athletic.

PERINO: That's true.

BECKEL: I'm 48 years old and I was rich.

GUTFELD: You have an athletic 48-year-old body and you're drunk.

PERINO: Would it bother you, Bob, to find out that you were purposely mismatched with somebody that they were...?

BECKEL: It's happened to me so many times that I just -- I don't need an algorithm from somebody.

These people get on and actually try to find legitimate dates. I mean, most of the sites, some of them are for one-night stands. But the fact is a lot of these people want to have a relationship, and they get mixed up like this.

PERINO: Part of the reason to have an algorithm, Andrea, is that there's so many people to meet. And this site really kind of -- if it's not mismatching you, it does kind of help narrow it down.

TANTAROS: It does if it's doing what it promises to do. This is a bait and switch. Right? I mean, Christian Rudder, the co-founder you read her quote. He said, "People brace better -- or better brace themselves for this, because if you're on the Internet, this happens."

Not if you go to a dating site. They promise to match you with the best possible candidate. Not play games and try and manipulate you.

Look, if they want to do this they should ask people's sign off for this or they should pay them or both. But I think this is pretty deceptive what big data is doing. I really do.

PERINO: One of the things I found, though, Eric, is that sometimes they hid the picture, and they found that people actually ended up talking to each other more without the pictures and that they, you know, they kind of got along.

BECKEL: Who could forget something about a picture (ph)?

BOLLING: That's the point. Is the picture ever really the picture?
That's the other point?

BECKEL: In that case...

BOLLING: You know what's odd. These dating sites people really depend on these. There are so many people that say, "Look, I was on OK Cupid."

PERINO: But don't you know several couples that met online?

BOLLING: I do, but it's sad, because people really, really depend on it. They tell about the date they met.

So when you're playing around with, like, people's lives and experimenting, hooking them up with people, that's kind of mean.

TANTAROS: It's not right.

GUTFELD: Not online. In line. Go to a grocery store at 10 p.m. at night.

TANTAROS: I can't believe you're pro-fishing off the company pier.

GUTFELD: That's the only -- my wife and I worked at Maxim. Every woman I dated I worked with. Every single one.

PERINO: H.R. doesn't know about that.

GUTFELD: I dated girls in H.R.

PERINO: Got to go. Next, if you can't pay your bills you are not alone. More than a third of Americans are drowning in debt, according to a new study. How do you climb out of it? We're going to discuss that next on "The Five."


BECKEL: Sorry, man. A problem affecting a growing -- a number of
Americans: unpaid bills. A new study by the Urban Institute finds a staggering 35 percent of Americans are under debt collectors. Stagnant wages are one of the leading contributors to the debt woes.

I've got some woes, man. I shouldn't even have come to this show today. I get slammed from my good friends. Look at me.

Look, I'll say this. I get hit up -- I co-signed a loan for a girl for to go to college. She got killed, tragically, in a car accidents, and Sally Mae keeps calling me and calling me and calling me. Leave it alone, will you? She's dead.

GUTFELD: I didn't see that coming.

PERINO: But you still owe the money. I mean, that's how...

BECKEL: But I don't have the money.

BOLLING: Can you explain Sally Mae being the loan company that loaned you the money, not some lady Sally Mae calling you?


PERINO: Sally Mae administers the loan.

BOLLING: Anyway.

PERINO: A government entity.

BECKEL: Yes, so what? You still busted my chops.

PERINO: OK. You want me to say something?

BECKEL: Yes, go ahead.

PERINO: Here's the thing. I think there's a lot of freedom in being debt free. You should consider being debt free a part of your net worth, because it gives you a ton of freedom.

The other day in the car we got a phone call, and it was a debt collector. It was the wrong number. And the way that they talk is so aggressive and mean they should really be put out of business, but the only way to do that is if people take more control of their own finances.

BECKEL: I don't get you've got any debt collector problems.

BOLLING: No. Actually, I do. The medical billing system is so screwed up. A couple of years ago, Eric Chase had snowboarding accident, upstate in Albany. And we paid, and then you know, something wasn't paid.
We paid that, too. And if something goes to a debt collector, even if you pay the debt, they are relentless. No matter how many times they call.

BECKEL: Don't answer their calls.

BOLLING: No, because it goes on your credit record, Bob. You've got to really -- actually then you have to hire a lawyer to clean up.

BECKEL: Debt collectors are a lower life than other people.

GUTFELD: You know one great anecdote is family. They've been looking at immigrant families that come to the United States, and because they forge ahead by sticking together and they help each other out, there's less debt among new immigrants, because they don't split up. They stick around, and they help each other. That's a solution to debt.

BECKEL: That's a good point. OK.

PERINO: Andrea didn't go yet.

BECKEL: Andrea, sorry. You don't have any debt problems.

TANTAROS: This was such a compelling segment.

BECKEL: Give me a break, will you? This has been a lousy show from even the very beginning. I have to go through it. So just go ahead. You want to say something?

BOLLING: You're not talking to Andrea, are you?


PERINO: Are you talking to me?

TANTAROS: Get a free credit report and figure out if you owe any money.

BECKEL: You have a good credit rating.

TANTAROS: Yes, but you know, I got a letter once when I was 23 for some remote -- I didn't even know it existed. It just showed up out of nowhere. I had to do some digging to see even what company it was.

BECKEL: Yes, OK, I've got to wrap. "One More Thing" is up next.


TANTAROS: Time now for "One More Thing." E.B.

BOLLING: OK. So on the Hill, on Capitol Hill today, everything stopped because the big announcement came today: the top 50 most beautiful people in Washington, D.C. A couple of notables on the list. No. 20 and
21 are sons of our good friend Juan Williams, Raffi and Antonio Williams.

PERINO: Very nice.

BOLLING: Another notable, Senator Rand Paul, came in at No. 9.

PERINO: Really?

BOLLING: Yes. And No. 1...

GUTFELD: You guys going to celebrate.

BOLLING: No. 1, Danielle Sykes. Let's take a look at Danielle Sykes.
Wait a minute. Wait a minute. There's another one on here. No. 23, our own Mr. Bret Baier. Fair, balanced, unafraid and, dare I say, beautiful.

GUTFELD: His hairline has a hairline.

TANTAROS: And both the William brothers are Republicans, FYI.

PERINO: Scandal.


BECKEL: I want to apologize for a word I used in that "Bachelorette"
segment. I'm sorry, the woman who slept with two guys.

OK. Now, the -- well, maybe it was (UNINTELLIGIBLE). I don't know.
Anyway, 9/11 steel cross display, it was the atheists tried to get that out of the memorial museum, 9/11 memorial museum. Today appeals court said,
"The hell with you, atheists. It's going to go into the museum." And
good for them.

TANTAROS: Very good.

And "FOX and Friends" earlier, this veteran Jesus Jimenez was telling his story about how his house was demolished while he was deployed. His family, including his hearing-impaired brother, his mother, appealed to Miami-Dade county to try not to tear down the house because it was in a building code violation. They did it anyway. He won a big lawsuit, but Miami-Dade will not release the fines and the liens on this man. And he was pleading that they would stop today on "FOX & Friends." Take a listen.


JESUS JIMENEZ, U.S. VETERAN: I just want this to be over. It's hard for our family. You know, some people might think the money's going to make up for it. There's nothing that makes up for a lost home and all the memories that came with it.


TANTAROS: Drop the liens and the fines, Miami-Dade -- Greg.

GUTFELD: You know, if you're ever on TV and your phone starts ringing, try this maneuver. It's really subtle.




BECKEL: I wouldn't do that.

PERINO: Next time that happens to Bob we'll do that.

OK. The Glasgow games -- the Commonwealth Games are going on in Glasgow. They have Ping-Pong there. This is better than soccer. Take a look at this. Nigeria and Singapore down to the wire. They went to the finals.

BECKEL: Like watching soccer.

PERINO: Look at that. That is skill and dexterity right there, Bob.

BECKEL: Yes. It certainly is.

BOLLING: Can you beat that, Forrest Gump?

TANTAROS: All righty. We've got to go. Don't forget to set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five." We'll see you right back here tomorrow.

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