The Five' weigh in on 'deflate-gate

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," January 22, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Bolling along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City. This is "The Five."

Breaking News on the NFL's deflate-gate, will the scandal deflate before Super Bowl XLIX? This morning Patriots coach Bill Belichick addressed reporters and said he was shocked by allegations his team's footballs were underinflated on Sunday, in violation of the league's rules.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) BILL BELICHICK, NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS COACH: I had no knowledge whatsoever of this situation until Monday morning. I've said I learned a lot more about this process in the last three days than I've knew or had talked about it in the last 40 years I've coached in this league. Tom's personal preferences on his footballs are something that he can talk about in much better detail and information that I could possibly -- that I could possibly provide.

(END VIDEO CLIP) BOLLING: And just a short while ago, his star quarterback did come out to address the controversy himself, here's Brady.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) TOM BRADY, NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS QUARTERBACK: I didn't alter the ball any way. I have a process I go through before any game where I go in and I pick the balls that I want to -- the footballs that I want to use for the game. I feel like I've always played within the rules. I would never do anything to break the rules. And I believe in fair play. We accomplished something really special getting to this point. You know it's -- I don't like the fact this -- it is taken away from some of the accomplishment of -- you know, what we've achieved as the team. The biggest challenges end up being the best things that happen in your life, and we've overcome a lot of those this year as a team.

(END VIDEO CLIP) BOLLING: Alright Bobby, a lot of moving parts. First of all, you want Belichick, you want Brady? Believe Belichick and you believe Brady?

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Yeah, I think I do believe in -- let me say a couple of things. One, a football on a wet day like this -- the guys who would love to see the ball deflated more would be the ends, because they're easier to catch that way. A lot of professional football players like the ball be really hard because they can throw it that much better. I don't believe for a second at Brady went into the sideline and took pressure out of the ball. Now, it could have been that somebody on that team, one of the trainers or somebody else did that, but who knows? Do I think either one of these guys did? No.

BOLLING: Now, so let's be clear. The balls are supposed to be inflated 12 1/2 pounds to 13 1/2 pounds, there's a range. And Brady said on record that he likes a lower inflation on the ball. So maybe an equipment manager could put it at the low end.


BOLLING: It was a cold night.


BOLLING: There's a possible if you ever drive a car, you know your tires are full, it's cold sometimes --

BECKELK: And cold does big air -- I mean, things get -- air gets out of it like tires on cold.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Open your eyes, America. Open your eyes.


GUTFELD: President Obama is behind this.


GUTFELD: Do we know where these balls are from? Kenya? Can you tell me where these balls are from? These balls must be inflated between 12 1/2 to 13 1/2 pounds per square inch, same requirement for Geraldo's pecs.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my Gosh.

GUTFELD: I give (ph) captain shirtless.

GUILFOYLE: What a die-in.

GUTFELD: Here's the problem. Here's the problem. And it's an analogy I believe for our government and for modern politics.

BECKEL: Now here we go.

GUTFELD: The Patriots, Bob, are the Democratic Party. Tom Brady is -- is President Obama, clear. And the media are the soft balls that are easily thrown. They're intentionally under-inflated for their gorgeous messiah. This goes straight to the top.

GUILFOYLE: They're gorgeous?

GUTFELD: I am talking about impeachment, impeachment.



DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: And the equipment managers are the editors.

GUTFELD: Oh, the ball boys, who -- they are the G. Gordon Liddy's. The ball boys know everything.

BOLLING: So it so --

GUILFOYLE: I think you're right.

BOLLING: You are being so oppression (ph) because our producers just gonna sat (ph) Tom Brady acting like President Obama, listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) BRADY: I think things are going to be fine. This isn't ISIS, this isn't -- you know -- you know, no one's dying. But, you know, we'll get through this and you know, hopefully we can really start preparing for Seattle and you know, get our mind focused there because, you know, they're gonna take, you know, all my mental energy for the next 10 days.

(END VIDEO CLIP) BOLLING: You are killing it Gutfeld. K.G. --


BOLLING: Why don't they just fix this -- the bottom line, this is a stupid rule.

GUILFOYLE: Right. So what is he saying? They're JV? But then who's varsity? I don't know, OK.

BOLLING: Why would -- why not one football he use? Each team puts together all the footballs and you -- if you don't like the football the way it's inflated, tell the referee and they'll fix it.

GUILFOYLE: Because so many hands on the ball will gonna probably wear out by the end of the game.

BOLLING: Still -- will you come up with 24 footballs. Still just use the same football both sides, if one gets taken out of play. And your team doesn't like the way they've inflated it, then you fix it.

GUTFELD: If you like your football --

BOLLING: Keep your football.


PERINO: Under-inflate your football.

BOLLING: That's 100 percent right.

GUILFOYLE: I think actually Tom Brady did a very good job today defending himself, because if something comes out later on, if it's something on equipment coach, who was always the first suspect. If somebody did something to alter the ball, at least he's on the record saying, listen, I had nothing to do with it, I believe in fair play. We worked very hard to get to this point. I think he was believable that, I don't know about Belichick -- with that guy.

BOLLING: Belicheck.

BECKEL: Belicheck, suppose it.

GUILFOYLE: No, chick.

BOLLING: Oh Belichick. Yeah, we got you.


PERINO: Got it. I -- even I got that.

GUILFOYLE: Perino, keep up, you got it.

BOLLING: So, can I bring it to Dana? Dana, you look at Tom --

PERINO: Yeah, I'm sure you've been thinking all day long. How can I possibly include her in --


BOLLING: No, no, like have it. Look it, you have big press conference.


BOLLING: With the world is watching, not just America. The world is watching. He's married to Gisele, Gisele a supermodel. He's been seeing in some of the beet clothes on the planet. He's wearing a gray t-shit and a knit bull cap.

PERINO: Well -- well, you got to think of your audience, right? So this story had sucked all the air out of the room, so to speak. He had to come out because it was getting -- the story wasn't going to overwhelm the Super Bowl, right?


PERINO: This is what the Super Bowl will be remembered -- I think it's the biggest sports scandal since the wardrobe malfunction of Janet Jackson.

GUTFELD: Good one.

GUTFELD: Thank you, Greg. He helped me with that earlier. But he's thinking of his audience, who does he care about most right now? It's the fans. So, he doesn't have to come out in a suit and everything. He has to come out like, I was just practicing, I was getting ready and the fans are the most important one. I think probably that wardrobe is probably OK. The hat is curious. You know, I have a rule, no hats in --


PERINO: Press conferences.

BECKEL: Somebody clearly did suck air out of those balls. No question about that. But, you know, when you look at this thing, you're right --

GUILFOYLE: You mean release --

BECKEL: If we can just try for a second and say.


BECKEL: I know that it's crazy to be talking about this be but, a lot of people are.


BECKEL: Tell me about baseball. Do not pitchers -- do pitchers not work on the balls that day throw?


BOLLING: So here's the thing about baseball. The way that works is the umpires get together with the ball boys and they check the ball -- they, they literally make sure they're all the same before the game. If a pitcher doctors a ball, that ball is taken out of play and put back -- and other ball is replaced. If the pitcher roughs up a ball to get the slickness off of it, they can't use it, they move it out. So, but that same ball -- you've never seen a catcher --

GUILFOYLE: Scar (ph) on the ball.

BOLLING: The catcher throws the ball to the mound and the next pitcher from the other team comes out and uses the same baseball. They don't get to use their own baseball. If they don't like it, they throw it out and get a different baseball, but they're -- they're using the same ball. That's my point. Have both teams use the same ball.


GUTFELD: The problem -- you're right, the problem here is officials check the ball 2 hours and 15 minutes before the game then it's transferred to the ball manager then it goes to, like I said, the ball boys. Who are these ball boys?


GUTFELD: Generally, they're the sons and the daughters of wealthy team employees, often teenagers, Dana. Teenagers -- I want you to remember that. The question is, not should they be imprisoned, but for how long and where? These are evil teams -- ball boys.

BECEKL: There's a lot of money riding on this. But believe me, there are a lot of people who bet this game that are gonna be -- be raising, even though they got absolutely smothered.

BOLLING: So, it's --

GUTFELD: Where's Al Sharpton?

BECKEL: He's -- he'll be there shortly.

GUILFOYLE: He'll be representing the balls.

PERINO: He's gonna call an emergency meeting.

BECKEL: Those balls were tested inside in warm weather. And take them outside this cold weather -- they could have gone down --

GUILFOYLE: So not gonna go down two pounds. That's the problem. Hear with that.

BECKEL: A pound, a pound.

GUILFOYLE: Well, let's see. I mean --


GUILFOYLE: They're gonna have a hard time proving it. Then you have to prove before that about for the ball -- it would have changed the outcome of the game. You still have a star quarterback in Tom Brady and a top team for years. BECKEL: And --

GUILFOYLE: One of the best in football.

BOLLING: And someone's going down, it's gonna be the teenage ball boy.


GUTFELD: They're gonna blame -- they're gonna blame the teenager.

BOLLING: Obviously, obviously.

GUILFOYLE: Equipment coach.

BOLLING: Alright, if the footballs were altered in some way, hall of fame coach John Madden names Tom Brady as the prime suspect. He says quote, "Nobody, not even the head coach, would do anything to the football unilaterally, such as adjust the amount of pressure in the ball, without the quarterback knowing it. It would have to be the quarterback's idea." And ex-Cardinal's quarterback Matt Leinart doesn't see deflate-gate is a big deal he tweeted, "Every team tampers with footballs. Ask any quarterback in the league, this is ridiculous." And I gets to the point that you are talking about, Bob. It happens, it happens, just happened to be caught this time.

BECKEL: Yeah, it got caught. But every, every quarterback I played with, they always take the ball, they will squeeze it at the sideline, I get the biggest guy in the world who sat on it, as if that will take the air out of it.

GUTFELD: That was your role?

BECKEL: You're right. They take -- that was my role, that's true, that's quite true. But no, it is very difficult to get that many pounds out of it, but who was gonna -- if so many people handle it.

PEIRNO: How --

BECKEL: Who was gonna know?

PERINO: How long would it take? Maybe, we need to have a simulation. The camera is on Brady at all times, so when -- when would he have gone and deflated these balls?

GUILFOYLE: Well, he wouldn't have done it. It would be --


GUILFOYLE: That's what Madden said. He said --

BECKEL: It will take about 20 seconds.

GUILFOYLE: Well maybe, he's saying at his direction that this is the guy who likes to throw the ball a little underweight. People know that, they know that he throws it. Maybe he's not even -- you know, aware of it at his direction. They just know that's the way he performed best when the ball is a little bit softer. Aaron Rodgers doesn't like it like that.

PERINO: Kind of like, when I need hot water in my cup.

GUILFOYLE: You were saying -- some, yeah.

GUTFELD: Oh wow.

GUILFOYLE: It's the deal.

PERINO: I see. I see.

GUTFELD: Another job at an intern -- apparently.


GUTFELD: We'll fire her now?

PERINO: No, it's hot now.

GUTFELD: Alright. What whatever. But what about punishment, though? Like, the what -- like, you know how parents, they take kids who shop lift and put a sign and they stand out there and go, "I stole from Wal-Mart." Should Tom Brady have a placard that says, "I underinflated footballs before the Super Bowl." Have him stand out there for two hours.

BOLLING: Yeah, if they catch him, I guess that's --

GUTFELD: Because we have to think --

BOLLING: That's a pretty good punishment.

GUTFELD: We have to think about, like what kind of message --

PERINO: Humiliation.

GUTFELD: Are we sending to America's children? Because this is not what this is about America's children? The stupid --

BECKEL: Exactly what I knew you'd be concerned about.

BOLLING: Well --

GUILFOYLE: How much --

BECKEL: Something got to happen. There's gonna be some kind of punishment.

BOLLING: Can we just --

BECKEL: AND there will be.

BOLLING: Right. And that really is the underlying theme here.

GUILFOYLE: Be should the option --

BOLOLING: Isn't necessarily they might bet on the game or necessarily Tom Brady's image to the public or his fans, but whether cheating, you can get away with cheating and there are price for that --

GUILFOYLE: But there are rules in this, in the league guidelines, right? But it's like $25,000 fine.


GUILFOYLE: There are things that they can do. But, so what, the Super Bowl is on the line. $25,000 is nothing.

BOLLING: Correct, correct.

GUILFOYLE: If that is in fact, what happened and they -- you know, cheated or somebody altered the ball -- with or without his knowledge.

BOLLING: Let's talk a little bit about Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman who thinks football fans shouldn't be fooled by Brady's clean-cut image. Here's Sherman sounding off.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) RICHARD SHERMAN, SEATTLE SEAHAWKS CORNERBACK: I think people, people somehow get us two view of Tom Brady, that he's just a clean cut, does everything right and never says a bad word to anyone. And we know him to be otherwise. It's not gonna have any effect on this game -- you know, it's not gonna -- nobody's go -- get suspended, no, nothing's gonna happen there. You know, they're gonna play this game, they -- whatever they did, the risk/reward was greater.

(END VIDEO CLIP) BOLLING: So, that brings up the question, is the distraction, Dana -- you pointed that out, they need to focus on football, but the -- the Patriots were at risk of this being too big with distraction to the team.

PERINO: Imagine if we played this kind of mind games with the Iranians -- on their nuclear threat. I mean, what these people are thinking about is this really does seem to go -- I think the story is over-inflated.

BOLLING: Very good. Greg, your thoughts on Sherman --

PERINO: I just came up with that --

BOLLING: Throwing the ball (ph) with them.

GUTFELD: Yeah, that was pretty (ph) of you --

GUILFOYLE: A lot of air (inaudible) from us.

GUTFELD: The one thing I've noticed when -- they show all these quarterbacks, there is got to be a study, why are all star quarterbacks handsome? BECKEL: That's the big question.

GUTFELD: Never an ugly --

BECKEL: They all are.

GUTFELD: A star quarterback.

BECKEL: That's right.

GUTFELD: It's never -- you know what? It's that it?

BOLLING: No, it goes back to high school.


BOLLING: The best looking guy decides he wants to play football because the girls like the football players and of course, he wants to be the quarterback. But --

BECKEL: And then you want to get to him and you want to attack him when you to and you want to talk to him about their family.

GUTFELD: Oh, that's nice.

BOLLING: K.G., Richard Sherman throwing it down before the football game, 10 days way.

GUILFOYLE: I know. But you know what? Let him speak his mind, that's what he thinks. I mean, it's true. Tom Brady has this beautiful little squeaky clean, like, fireman's calendar image. However, people didn't know he's not so --


GUILFOYLE: Squeaky clean.

GUTFELD: Somebody hit on you.

BECKEL: Is that --


GUTFELD: Somebody hit on you with a hammer (ph)


BECKEL: He also comes from a team that does not have a squeaky clean record in terms of playing by the rules.

BOLLING: Kimberly, one quick point in the end --

GUILFOYLE: Because the Patriots are recidivists.

BOLLING: A hundred --

GUILFOYLE: Not the first time.

BOLLING: 111 million people -- 111.5 million people watched it last year, they expect a 120 million plus, and maybe with this scandal -- more?

PERINO: More or less.

GUTFELD: Good answer.


GUILFOYLE: Did you prepare that all day?

BECKEL: Let me ask you this --

PERINO: I just came up with that myself.

BECKEL: Let's say you guess what sign -- a handmade signs were put in the - -

BOLLING: No, please -- Balghazi.

PERINO: I think it will be less.

GUILFOYLE: Balghazi? (ph)

BECKEL: Yeah, the fans will hold up signs during that game and they will say -- are you --

BOLLING: Cheater, yeah.

BECKEL: Yeah, yeah, right. Nevermind.

BOLLING: Bob, what do you got? Are your balls inflated properly?

BECKEL: That's -- you said it.

GUILFOYLE: Please, you're encouraging Bob here.

BOLLING: We got 13 minutes.

GUILFOYLE: We're already on delay on the campaign.

BOLLING: We got 13 minutes, so you got -- take it apart right at the end?


BOLLING: All good, ready to go? Wrap?

GUILFOYLE: Ready to wrap.

BOLLING: To wrap the White House always calls Israel, one of our closest allies so, why would it be mad at Congress for inviting Prime Minister Netanyahu to address a joint session in March. Next showdown is coming up next.


GUILFOYLE: Israeli prime minister has been one of the most powerful voices to warn the world about Iran.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER: For 35 years, Iran has relentlessly pursued the global mission which was set forth by its founding ruler. I told how many (ph) in these words. "We will export our revolution to the entire world, so don't be fooled by Iran's manipulative charm offensive. It's designed for one purpose and for one purpose only, to lift the sanctions and remove the obstacles to Iran's past to the bomb."

(END VIDEO CLIP) GUILFOYLE: That's why Congress has invited Bibi Netanyahu to address a joint session on March 3rd, a move seen as a rebuke to the president who's threatened to veto any new sanctions imposed on Iran. The White House isn't happy about the invite calling it a departure from protocol, because it wasn't notified first. House Speaker John Boehner says Congress doesn't have to ask for permission.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) JOHN BOEHNER, SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: I did not consult with the White House, the Congress who can make this decision on its own. I don't believe I'm poking anyone in the eye. And the fact is, is that there needs to be a more serious conversation in America about how serious a threat is from radical Islamic jihadists and, of the threat to opposed by Iran.

(END VIDEO CLIP) GUILFOYLE: And reaction from the state department.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) JEN PSAKI, STATE DEPARTMENT SPOKESPERSON: It's certainly unusual. We heard, as you know, and have reported on from Speaker Boehner, not from Israel, about plans for the prime minister to come here. It was a bit of an episode of the bizarre today, seeing all of this unfold.

(END VIDEO CLIP) GUILFOYLE: OK. So Josh Ernest said, called it a breach of protocol. Is it the right decision?

BOLLING: It's absolutely the right decision. John Boehner pointed out they weren't poking the president in the eye by inviting Bibi Netanyahu when the president didn't clearly -- clearly didn't want Netanyahu to -- to address Congress. But President Obama poke Congress in the eye on Tuesday night, when he says, no matter what you decide, I will veto it if it has anything to do with sanctions in Iran. Especially, when we know sanctions on Iran work and Congress would likely imposed -- recommend imposing sanctions. So, the poke goes from the president to Congress, not the other way around. I think it's the right thing to do. And I think the president should be meeting with -- Netanyahu, and I believe he's not, isn't that true?

GUILFOYLE: He is not.


GUILFOYLE: While here's here, he's gone on the record. He's not gonna meet -- Dana.

PERINO: They might -- they might change their minds. I think this is -- maybe a lot of this is kind of a heat of the moment and frustration.

GUILFOYLE: You think --

PERINO: We should have the same goal -- I think -- of course, I think the president should meet with the prime minister of Israel. If we are gonna continue, to have a strong relationship with them that we want. And I think that Israel wants then, we should be able to put aside the logistical details of how an invitation was -- offered. Now, last week when Prime Minister David Cameron of the U.K. was here, President Obama had asked him, and he was caught talked about it in the press conference, to actually first name (ph) lobby members of Congress to not vote for sanctions. So President Obama was asking a world leader to weigh in, and I think that the Congress has a right to say, Benjamin Netanyahu is the leader of Israel. It's his responsibility. He has strong feelings, let's have him come and speak. So I think that -- because we have the same goal, which is that Iran should not be allowed to get a nuclear weapon. Then I think that the parties should be able to come together. I think the sanctions actually could pass the Congress. I think that because they are --

GUILFOYLE: Then we slap --

PERINO: The slap back in terms of -- it's not proactive sanctions that sanctions if X is not met. Now, I think that is something that is important, because leverage does not weaken your position when you're in negotiations. Leverage is good thing and I think our Congress is right to press the president on it.

GUILFOYLE: Alright, strong move.

GUTFELD: Well, here's what's wrong with this picture. It's OK to make deals with your adversaries behind closed doors, but you can't meet with an ally in public. It's always been about that, ignoring our allies at the expense of our adversaries. Part of this is skepticism about Obama's negotiating abilities. You wish you feel like you're watching a 6-year-old playing chess against Bobby Fisher. It seems like at times -- he has this form of Stockholm syndrome. He hate -- he likes everybody but us, and he feels that like, leverage, the idea of leverage is kind of an old -- a part of the past that we have to let go.

PERINO: Something George Bush did.

GUTFELD: Yeah. Yeah, we don't really need leverage, instead, let's get James Taylor.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, that's always the diplomatic solution.

BECKEL: Let's -- let's me try to put two points on the table. I have not -- remember Dana does, remember when a leader of another country has been asked to speak before Congress just by the invitation to Congress without the White House being informed, number one. Number two, you know who breaks with Netanyahu on this? His own intelligence service, (inaudible) says that they should not -- he should not get in the middle of encouraging sanctions by the U.S. Congress --

PERINO: Did you see the update on that today, Bob?

BECKEL: I just.

PERINO: That most --

GUILFOYLE: Will you have that for us?

PERINO: I do. So -- (inaudible) is actually came out and said that's actually not what they were saying.

BECKEL: Some of them were saying that's --

PERINO: No. But Bob, the chairman, himself, said it. I'm just telling you this is what they --

BECKEL: Well --

PERINO: What the new information that they put out today.

BECKEL: Well, answer my other question. Did you remember when you had status states speaking that you didn't know about?

PERINO: Well -- no. You know why? One reason I think is, because we had really good relationships with legislative -- through our legislative affairs office. They were excellent and they knew the members of Congress, they could go in and talk to them and could have said, "Hey, Speaker Boehner, this is gonna happen."


PERINO: OK, fine. Unhappy about it, but alright, I'll take the message back to the president. The relationship had been broken. I think they have new legislative affairs people that could be better. But, over six years, President Obama has treated them terribly and I don't think it's wrong for them to invite them.

BECKEL: I've never -- I'm just saying this for the record.

PERINO: And it could be, Bob.

BECKEL: I did not know.

PERINO: It could have been on -- Bibi Netanyahu is being criticized for he should -- maybe it was his, under protocol, for him to alert the White House about it. Maybe that didn't happen.

BECKEL: Oh, well --

GUILFOYLE: Nevertheless, why is this taking place?

PERINO: Right --

GUILFOYLE: Because the president of the United States has failed in his relationship with Israel. This is the worst our relationship with Israel has been. And but for the absence of leadership, the vacuum he's created in this very strategic alliance in the world that we need, Congress had to step in. And you what? Good for Boehner for doing it. Put the full-court press on the president. Make a decision on this. Go ahead and veto and see what happen.

BECKEL: We don't -- we don't know what kind of negotiations are going on. (Inaudible) is what we should do to this at the end of -- you know, in a light of day.

GUILFOYLE: Alright, Bob.

BECKEL: But the fact of the matter is there could be substantive negotiations going on and other allies do not want this thing voted in by the U.S. Congress. That might tell us something?

GUILFOYLE: Well, I don't know. Let's see what kind of negotiations is going on. But, let's listen to Mendez, who plays for your team and the president's team and hear what he has to say.


BOB MENEDEZ, NEW JERSEY SENATOR: I have to be honest with you, the more I hear from the administration and its quotes. The more it sounds like talking points that come straight out of Tehran. And it feeds to the Iranian narrative of victimization, when they are the ones with original sin. And elicit nuclear weapons program.

(END VIDEO CLIP) GUILFOYLE: And those are -- nuclear talking points from a Democrat.

GUTFELD: It's no longer about stopping the bomb. It's where -- all we're doing at this point is delaying the inevitable because it's gone this far. I don't --

BECKEL: Oh, come on.

GUTFELD: We have to realize Bob that Iran doesn't want to be our friend.



GUTFELD: Never going to be a long walk on the beach.

BECKEL: We never understand that. But Mendez has no idea what he's talking about, first of all.

GUTFELD: But -- but we have --


GUILFOYLE: Oh my gosh.

PERINO: How could you say that? He's chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee.

BECKEL: Do you -- do you think. Do you think --


PERINO: He has no idea what he's talking about?

BECKEL: Do you think --


BECKEL: As talking points for the Tehran? Do you think --

PERINO: I think he was using a little hyperbole.

BECKEL: Yeah, a little of hyperbole.

PERINO: Do you think he's not -- he doesn't have any idea what he's talking about.

BECKEL: No, I don't think he does.

PERINO: Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee.

BOLLING: Can I ask --

BECKEL: I don't think he has --

BOLLING: Speaking of not knowing what they are talking about.


BOLLING: The speech writers for President Obama in State of the Union.

PERINO: No kidding.

BOLLING: He declared that -- Iran is actually decreasing its stock pile of nuclear of enriched -- uranium, and that's not true. They decreased the speed at which they're enriching uranium. Democrats do this. You remember this is the same argument they made about health care premiums. Bend the cost curve down. Health care premiums were gonna go down. They haven't going down, they're not going down. The speed at which they were going up have slowed, but they're still going up --

BECKEL: Do you think the Democrats --

BOLLING: Things that change that.

BECKEL: Do you really believe the Democrats want to see Iran move ahead on --

BOLLING: I don't know what they want. But with -- BECKEL: Oh, my god.


GUTFELD: Bob, it's not about what it is that they believe. Their kind of -- thinking will work, as though that every country is like a romance novel that Obama can crack open and read. It's not that way. They don't care about --

PERINO: Like with Putin and Assad.


BECKEL: I don't --

GUILFOYLE: Exact same thing (ph)

GUTFELD: Everything is a new burgeoning, flowering romance.

BECKEL: It's just --

GUILFOYLE: But it's just -- and it's about --

BECKEL: It's just the president of the United States doesn't care about what Iran is doing.

GUTFELD: But you said that, Bob.

BECKEL: I did not say that.

BOLLING: I said -- I said that he -- delivered numbers that were patently false in the State of the Union.

PERINO: And we were given three Pinocchio's.

BOLLING: And they were given three Pinocchio's.

GUILFOYLE: But that's the problem.

BECKEL: But to suggest that he doesn't care about whether he has it.

BOLLING: You suggested it.

BECKEL: I did not suggest it.

BOLLING: I said, are you suggesting the president?

GUTFELD: I think he cares too much.

BECKEL: I said, are you suggesting -- I didn't --

BOLLING: And I don't think anyone said that.

BECKEL: I did not suggest it.

BOLLING: I think I said, I don't know what he cares about, but I do know he's delivering talking points.

GUILFOYLE: I don't know. Why do you look at an example as who he chooses to golf with, people who are at their heads of oppressive regimes but he won't meet with the key ally like Bibi Netanyahu. Oh. Next, he's back, we haven't heard from Hollywood hot head Alec Baldwin in a while. But he resurfaced and now he wants in on the American Sniper controversy.


GUILFOYLE: Straight talk ahead.


GUTFELD: So, it's day 6,000 of the "American Sniper" controversy. And Alec Baldwin has finally weighed in with its ample buttocks, admonishing actor Dean Cain for saying he'd kick Seth Rogen's butt for a crack about Chris Kyle.

So let me repeat: Baldwin blasted a guy for making a threat. I guess with Alec, you're only allowed to do that to photographers and children. I kid the husky bucket of hate.

Meanwhile, "Rolling Stones" shreds the film, which is a great thing since it's the same rag who canonized a terrorist. I mean, do you really want a mag that lovingly portrayed Tsarnaev to understand Chris Kyle? Nah, Jann Wenner only sleeps with the enemy.

I'm just shocked you didn't have the Paris killers on the cover this month. I guess it's because they shot up a magazine, which is a little bit closer to home than the Boston Marathon.

Bottom line: "American Sniper" is way more nuanced than these morons care to admit. It's about a human being, strengths and flaws included. War is not glorified. Instead, it's seen as hell, inescapable and tragic.

But as with everything in a political world, the movie gets tossed into a divisive blender, creating two smoothies of opinion: one left, one normal. The film works as one of those hotel flashlights that exposes the grime that was previously unseen.

Here it exposes shallow thinking of knee-jerk ideologues. It's also simplistic, predictable, stale, and old. Much like Jann Wenner.

Eric, I've got to read you Alec Baldwin's tweet. "Did Dean Cain threaten Seth Rogen? And isn't that the same kind of troubled thinking that got Chris Kyle killed?" So Alec Baldwin is, he's actually dancing on a dude's grave.

BOLLING: Wait a minute. How -- this guy was killed by a soldier with PTSD.

GUTFELD: He was trying to help.

BOLLING: Yes. He was trying to help.

GUTFELD: He was trying to help.

BOLLING: I'm not sure -- Alec is just trying back at...

GUILFOYLE: What's wrong with him?

BOLLING: Remember he was going to be done with media, but he's clearly trying to just get back in.

Dean Cain said -- I think it was -- he said, "I want to kick one of the two's butts." It was either Seth Rogen or Michael Moore. Whatever.

So you have Dean Cain, Kid Rock on one side, Alec Baldwin and the other idiots on the other side. I think we'd side with the people who are more patriotic, more American, like on our side.

Jane Fonda did she, did I hear her come on...

GUTFELD: Yes, we have it. We have it. We have the tweet. It was actually quite nice. She tweeted her approval of the film. She compared it to "Coming Home," which was a movie she was in, which was about returning Vietnam veterans. So she at least sees the ambiguity and the -- and the moral challenge, struggles.

BOLLING: But she also made a statement -- I'm not sure if it was in conjunction with this -- that she wished she hadn't done that thing back then when she hung out with the Vietnamese protesting the war.


BOLLING: All right. She's coming around.

GUTFELD: What do you think, Dana? Isn't it kind of -- is it sad that those who like and hate the movie are patterned exactly down political lines? Does that bother you? Except for -- except for Jane Fonda.

PERINO: Well, she's the only woman involved in this. It's like a reasonable point.

GUTFELD: I'm shocked.

PERINO: All the rest of it is all these...

GUILFOYLE: Nonsense.

PERINO: ... frankly, like, middle-aged white guys who are, like, fighting amongst themselves about this movie. Everybody else seems to love the movie. But they are, like, fighting with each other on Twitter, no less. Give me a break.

GUILFOYLE: It's kind of embarrassing.

PERINO: It is.

GUILFOYLE: Right. Grow up.


GUTFELD: Well, do you think Dean Cain was wrong? I think Dean Cain was just talking like a dude, saying, "Hey, if I see you, I'm going to kick your butt."

GUILFOYLE: I mean, did you expect anything else from Superman, baby? Yes, I love it. Good for you. Because he's in Hollywood. People will be like, "Oh, let's boycott Dean Cain. Don't put him in anymore movies." Good for him.

And I would love -- I would pay to see him whoop on Michael Moore.

BOLLING: So can I just add something, though? Dean Cain was buddies with Chris Kyle. That's...

GUTFELD: Yes. Yes, that's the thing.


BOLLING: Dean Cain had something to say. If you're Alec Baldwin, not to understand that, maybe that's part of the problem. He didn't realize that Dean Cain and Kyle were friends.


GUILFOYLE: It's his friend, I know. Good for him for standing up, too.


BECKEL: Well, it doesn't matter, because President Obama's outlawed snipers; and so there won't be any snipers around to be arguing about.

BOLLING: Drones much better. Much better than snipers.

BECKEL: That's all I'm going to say is that...

GUILFOYLE: He likes the sneak attack, yes.

BECKEL: In fact, he's probably going to outlaw most of the military so we don't have to worry about this.

GUTFELD: Very good.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, Bob. Bob's a little deflated from the A and the B-block.

BOLLING: Are you saying President Obama hates America? Is that what you're saying?

BECKEL: No, no, no, no, he hates snipers. He hates snipers and all kinds of things like that. He should be impeached.

GUTFELD: Really?

GUILFOYLE: We have been saying that, Bob.

BECKEL: There's nothing else to say.

GUTFELD: All right. Coming up, how to look smarter than you actually are. Tip No. 1, ignore this advice.


PERINO: A lot of people do things to try to make themselves appear smarter. The Wall Street Journal compiled a list.

Some put on serious facial impressions to appear more intelligent. Others hold their hands and arms still or use big words.

But here's what actually works, according to psychologists. You should make eye contact, stand or sit up straight, or wear glasses to look smarter...

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my goodness.

PERINO: ... like this guy. Remember this?

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

PERINO: Greg, we miss your glasses. I mean, you don't need glasses to make you appear smarter. What happened to those?

GUILFOYLE: It was a prop. I knew it.

GUTFELD: You know what you just described? What lawyers tell their guilty suspects when they go to court. Wear glasses.

GUILFOYLE: Look at Bob.

GUTFELD: The person who wrote this piece is dumb.

Wow. Yes.

BOLLING: Wait a minute, on second thought...

GUTFELD: No, I'll tell you what, because generally people mistake...

PERINO: Bob, you do look smarter.

GUTFELD: ... mistake dumb people -- or smart -- they believe that certain people are dumb when they're not, because they just don't know them.

BECKEL: You clearly have not studied the 153 volumes of Berwick's work on intellectual and deviant behavior, have you?

GUILFOYLE: But you have.

GUTFELD: I've lived it.

BECKEL: I certainly have the deviant part of it. Yes. I really don't want to talk to you, because you're not on the I.Q. level here that I have. So you go right ahead.

PERINO: It's amazing. You put on Eric's glasses and you...

BECKEL: I do. I look smarter. You can't make me look smarter. It doesn't do anything, because I'm not. So there you go.

PERINO: Here's another tip, though, that I like in this, Eric. They said put away the phone and listen instead of, you know, talking to somebody while you're also looking at your phone. And if you just simply put down your phone and listen to them, you will appear smarter.

BOLLING: Yes. I'm not sure I'm buying that. I think you can look more trustworthy. I think you can look more credible. I don't know how you can look smarter.


BOLLING: And I don't think the way a person looks has anything to do with their I.Q.

PERINO: But women go through this at the workforce, right? You've got to decide...

GUILFOYLE: Duh, it does.

PERINO: Don't you think it happens.

GUTFELD: "Duh" is a really good word.

GUILFOYLE: Look how smart I look here. Feast your eyes on the intelligence.

BECKEL: Have you ever seen this before? A guy who does this?

PERINO: That makes you smart, too?

BECKEL: Really.

GUTFELD: Yes, it's usually to cover a sore.

BECKEL: It's interesting. It's interesting. Clearly, I'll tell you. It's interesting. Thank you.

PERINO: I'm going to throw some other things out here, since you guys don't like this. Kimberly, things smart people say that make them sound dumb. One of them, and I picked up on this one -- you know when you're telling somebody a problem that you have and they will say, "Oh, you'll be fine. You'll be fine." Apparently, that makes them sound dumb.

GUILFOYLE: I don't like the word "fine." It's probably one of the most offensive words in the English...

PERINO: Fine means a lot of things.

GUILFOYLE: It's just nothing.

PERINO: Like, what if I say to Peter...

BECKEL: Oh, a lot more offensive than that.

GUILFOYLE: No, I do. It's like "Oh, it will be fine." It's just like, "Oh, that's nice." What does that mean? There's no enthusiasm or substance behind it.

BECKEL: How about when people say...

GUILFOYLE: It's a throwaway word.

GUTFELD: Garbage.

PERINO: People like these stories.

GUTFELD: Bob, can I address why this story is garbage?


GUTFELD: It's not talking about actual intelligence. It's talking about stupid behaviors.

GUILFOYLE: Faking it.

GUTFELD: Intelligence is doing one thing right. There's a Thomas A-queen- us said, "I fear the man of a single book." It's about somebody who understands depth of an idea or has knowledge about one thing.

That's why go back to Chris Kyle, and Stephen Hawking, are both geniuses. Hawking in his realm of mathematics was brilliant. Kyle in neutralizing enemies was brilliant. The whole point of intelligence is taking one thing and knowing it backwards and forwards. Not this other stupid garbage.

BECKEL: That's very good. And by the way, it's Aquinas.

GUILFOYLE: And it's Thomas Aquinas.

GUTFELD: A-queen-us.

GUILFOYLE: No, it's not. It's Aquinas.

GUTFELD: It's A-queen-us.

GUILFOYLE: No, it's not. No, it's not.

GUTFELD: It's A-queen-us.

BECKEL: There it is.

BOLLING: Here, put these on.

GUTFELD: It's Thomas A-queen-us. I'm telling you. I looked it up.

BOLLING: I'm going with A-queen-us.

GUILFOYLE: Whatever.

BOLLING: You look smarter.

PERINO: Does anybody...

GUILFOYLE: It's Aquinas. Yes, it is, phonetically. The "I" is long.

GUTFELD: How do you pronounce Thomas A-queen-us dot org.

GUILFOYLE: It is Aquinas, because phonetically speaking the "I" is long when it's followed by a vowel.

GUTFELD: Go to the pronunciation of his name. These little movements don't make you look smart.

GUILFOYLE: I know you are...

GUTFELD: Going like this. Going like this doesn't make you look smart.

GUILFOYLE: I'm so smart that it just doesn't matter what I do or what I wear.

GUTFELD: Yes, because you render men dumb.

BECKEL: Who's the smart one that picked out this segment is what I want to know?

PERINO: I think I'm the winner. Win/win/win.

GUILFOYLE: Good segment, Dana.

GUTFELD: It's win/win. There's no win/win/win.

BECKEL: Greg, come on, you...

GUTFELD: There's no such thing win/win/win. It's win/win.

GUILFOYLE: Did you just become the ombudsman?

GUTFELD: Yes. I'm your ombuddy.


PERINO: All right. I'm going to move on. Coming up, sportscaster Bryant Gumbel is taking aim at the NRA. Why he says he hates America's largest gun rights organization, next.


BECKEL: Well, the votes are in. It's 92 percent for Aquinas.

All right. HBO "Real Sports" host Bryant Gumbel has been never one to mince his words. Now, he's had some pretty strong ones for the National Rifle Association.

In a new interview with "Rolling Stone" Gumbel targets the group with millions of members, saying, "There are few things I hate more than the NRA. I think they're pigs. I think they don't care about human life. I think they're a curse upon the American landscape."

I am one not to like the National Rifle Association, but even I wouldn't say that. What do you think got into him here, Eric?

BOLLING: I think his hatred and ideology just overtook him, not realizing how many -- how many wonderful people are members of the NRA. You may not like what the NRA stands for, but they just said -- he just encompassed everyone who's an NRA member. Women, children, heroes, veterans. Those are the people who are going to be very insulted by what he said.

BECKEL: Dana, what do you think? He just...

PERINO: In particular -- he has a right to say whatever he wants. The part that I didn't really understand is that they don't care -- that they don't care about human life which it's actually -- I think that's very unfair. What they're trying to do is protect human life.

And I think what Bryant Gumbel is really against, I would think, are people who use guns illegally who are not a part of the NRA.

BECKEL: Yes. What did you think about him? You know him, don't you?

GUILFOYLE: You know, I don't know him personally, but I'm not a fan of some of his commentary. This will be another example of it. I don't understand what he's trying to accomplish with this kind of rhetoric. I don't get it. I think he's an unhappy person.

BECKEL: He -- What do you think there?

GUTFELD: I think two things. I think Kimberly is onto something. Bryant is a very unhappy guy.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, he is.

GUTFELD: He's always been living in the shadow of his vastly more talented brother, Greg Gumbel, who is a much better telecaster.

Gumbel reflects a mindset that benefits from never having to worry about making a decision involving guns because everywhere he works has security. Unlike theaters and schools where these crimes take place. He works in broadcasting, where you're surrounded by people who are armed. So he's never had to work in a gun-free zone. So he's -- he can afford to say this thing.

BECKEL: Well, you know, I know him, having appeared with him on television a number of times. And he would do -- during politics, you know what he'd do? In the middle of politics, he'd start talking about sports. I mean, he does have a tendency...

PERINO: Maybe he should stick to that.

BECKEL: I'm not sure why he went off to -- on a political tangent like this on something that he's known for, which he is. He's very, very well- educated when he comes sports.

GUTFELD: You can talk about anything, though.

BOLLING: Remember Bob Costas did the same thing, and that didn't turn out so well for him? Your buddy, Bob Costas.

BECKEL: Yes, for...

BOLLING: Didn't turn out so well. Stick to what you know.

BECKEL: What did he do, by the way?

BOLLING: He went on the anti-gun rant after one of the football players was...

BECKEL: That's right, that's right.

BOLLING: ... was killed.

BECKEL: Is there -- shouldn't there be a rule of thumb here now that, if your particular expertise is in a particular field, should you not stick to that field?

GUTFELD: We wouldn't have a show! Bob, you have no expertise.

GUILFOYLE: What are you talking about? You just put us all out of a job.

BECKEL: No, no, no. I put myself in that category. I mean, I'll get into anything, that makes no sense.

PERINO: I would have had to been -- leave before the "A" block tonight.

GUTFELD: I know nothing.

PERINO: The "A" block was on sports.

BECKEL: Oh, I see. I see what you're saying.

GUILFOYLE: Bob, I thought you were supposed to, like...


GUILFOYLE: ... get it, with the glasses on.

BECKEL: I'm just saying -- no, this is talk show kind of stuff. Right? I mean, this is not something you talk about in a sporting event. Why do you do that? Particularly when it's going to hurt his own brand as a sports guy. As much as I hate the NRA, I mean, I agree. But that's...

BOLLING: Why do you hate the NRA, Bob?

BECKEL: Why? Because I think they push -- they push legislation which is decidedly dangerous. I don't think they don't care about people.

GUILFOYLE: They advocate the Second Amendment.

BOLLING: The Second Amendment.

BECKEL: Well...

BOLLING: Not having the Second Amendment, in my opinion, would be dangerous.

BECKEL: Let's not get into guns right now, please. Then you want to get into climate change. OK? Can I get out of here? "One More Thing" is up next.


BOLLING: Time for "One More Thing." Greg's up first.

GUILFOYLE: What a weirdo!

GUTFELD (SPEAKING THROUGH UNICORN MASK): It's good to be back. A lot of people ask me if I'm into unicorns. The fact is, I am a unicorn. I've been trapped in Greg's body for some time. A lot of people send me things, and this came from Linda in Humble, Texas, sent me the unicorn mask.

The guy who sent never slippers yesterday...

PERINO: You found out?

GUTFELD: Yes, his name is Peter. Get this: he's a missionary in the Philippines, and he sent me that.

I want to tell people: you've got to stop sending me unicorn mugs, because they break in the mail; and I don't like broken mugs. But enough with the unicorn crap, OK? I've had enough.

GUILFOYLE: We can tell you don't like it.

BOLLING: You know what the crazy thing is? I couldn't even see your helps move.

GUILFOYLE: I'm looking right into it, and there's like a little gaping hole in the center there that's kind of curious.

GUTFELD: I can see you. I can see you right through my nose.

BOLLING: All right. Bob, you're up.

BECKEL: Well, one of the...

GUILFOYLE: Is this a real show? I ask you again.

BECKEL: I'm not sure. One of the -- one of the all-time great NASCAR sprint club champions, Jeff Gordon, has decided he's going to retire. He has won 92 career Sprint Cup wins. He's second -- or third only to David Pearson and Richard Petty. He will be missed in the sport. He was controversial, but he won. And we will miss him.

BOLLING: Yes. Absolutely. OK, D. Your turn.

PERINO: OK. I want to point you to Washington, D.C., where the 42nd annual March for Life is happening right now. This happens every year since 1973. They have hundreds of thousands of people. The official count will be in tomorrow morning. People from all over the United States, and in fact, all 50 states represented.

As he did last year and the years -- I guess just last year, the pope actually tweeted support for it. He always expresses the support.

And along this -- on these lines, I just point you to another reading assignment. I gave you one last night. I'm going to give you another one today. It's at National Review online. And it's Kevin Williamson, one of our favorite writers...


PERINO: ... who writes -- it's headlines about that 20-week abortion bill. It tells a very personal story that I think will touch your heart, and so I hope that you will go and read and then send me your thoughts on Twitter.

BOLLING: Good stuff, good stuff. K.G., you're up.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Who doesn't love, like Rocky Balboa, right? And on the steps in Philadelphia of the Museum of Art. Well, this is really cool, because a group of tourists who ran up the Rocky steps, like yes, feeling themselves. And then all of a sudden, Sylvester Stallone was actually there. So there you go. They did a little selfie. They were super excited. And he did the whole, like, Rocky Balboa deal.

BOLLING: You know why he was there, right?

GUILFOYLE: I love it. I'm all about "Eye of the Tiger." What?

BOLLING: Why he was there?


BOLLING: He's always there.

GUILFOYLE: He was looking for Apollo Creed?

BOLLING: He's always there.

GUILFOYLE: OK. What? I love it.

BOLLING: He just hangs out there.

PERINO: Really?


BOLLING: I'm kidding.

GUILFOYLE: He's making it up. He's in L.A.

BOLLING: So can we roll a little video of -- here name is GloZell Green.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

BOLLING: She's a self-described queen of YouTube.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, Lord. This is too much.

BOLLING: She's done a few of these where she gets millions of hits. Interesting enough. However, go to the next video, because GloZell Green just interviewed President Obama at the White House.

Now, I'm all for it. I see the outreach to young people. But when people like Bill O'Reilly and Megyn Kelly and Bret Baier can't get that interview with President Obama in studio, I'm not sure that that was...

GUILFOYLE: And he won't meet with Bibi Netanyahu. But GloZell gets the deal.

PERINO: She tweeted me this morning.

BOLLING: GloZell did?

PERINO: Yes, I told her good luck with the interview.


PERINO: She said thank you. Then she said, "xoxo."

GUTFELD (SPEAKING WHILE WEARING UNICORN MASK): I'm appalled at this. I am absolutely appalled. The unicorns are not happy. The unicorns are not happy.

PERINO: Do you speak for the unicorns?

GUTFELD: I speak for all unicorns when I say I'm outraged.

PERINO: Are you the only unicorn?


GUTFELD: Well, there's a few of us. Lou Dobbs.

GUILFOYLE: Why don't you roll around in a bathtub in milk with Froot Loops?

GUTFELD: I have, and it's great.

PERINO: Are you hot in there?

GUTFELD: I'm hot all the time.

GUILFOYLE: We've got to go.

BOLLING: Thank God you have that mask thing. Gave us 30 extra seconds there.

Set your DVRs so you don't miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us. "Special Report" coming right up in five seconds.

GUTFELD: It's not that bad in here.

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