Swing state polls suggests tightening general election race

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," May 10, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm -- happy election day once again, I'm Eric Bolling along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Eboni Williams, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

West Virginia and Nebraska are putting their mark on the 2016 presidential race, polls close in two and a half hours in West Virginia where Hillary Clinton could lose again to Bernie Sanders. Voters there are not happy with her plan to put coal companies out of business and coal miners out of work. Trump is expecting a blowout in that state, but in Nebraska where polls close in four hours, Ted Cruz thinks there's a chance he could do well and he's actually floating the possibility of restarting his presidential campaign if he does; more on that later this hour. But first, the general election is less than six months away and the brand new polls out today that show Trump and Clinton in a dead-heat in three must-win states, Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania. In Florida it's Clinton 43, Trump 42. In Ohio, Trump is beating her 43-39, and in Pennsylvania, again, Clinton only ahead by one point, 43-42. So let's bring in Fox News chief political anchor now "Special Report" host, Bret Baier. So Bret, well, first of all welcome (inaudible). We saw these three very, very important swing states, must-win states; Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania. Also, PPP came out today with a poll that had basically within the margin of error statistical tie, nationally as well. You know, in about -- this course of a week, Donald Trump is the presumptive nominee. He's tightened the race pretty well, hasn't he?

BRET BAIER, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: He has. The caveat is general election polls this early. It usually, you know are, you have to take with a grain of salt, but it's interesting to measure them with how the last GOP nominee did at this juncture, and that was Mitt Romney. Tracking about the same in Florida and Ohio, but tracking behind where Donald Trump is in Pennsylvania. And what's interesting inside these polls, I think Eric, is that, while Trump trails Clinton, with women in each of these states, he overcompensates with men in these polls. And it suggests that in these swing states that are so crucial, that this could be a very tight race. Remember, we haven't even started and they're not official nominees as of yet, but it suggests we could be in for a long six months.

BOLLING: All right, we're going to bring it around the table. K.G. you have a question for Bret?

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Yeah, I'm just -- what do you attribute the tightening of the race? And not -- I don't think it can be attributed just to the fact that now he's become the presumptive nominee. What kind of trends do you think people are making -- saying that it's accountable for?

BAIER: Well, listen. Both of them have high unfavorable numbers, we talked about that. They both have the lowest favorable numbers on a general election stance. But what is the variable for Donald Trump is, you know, how he's going to attack Hillary Clinton. You've already seen it over the past few days, being an enabler for Bill Clinton. Talking about, and just out today with an ad on the internet about Benghazi, and that stuff affects people and it may affect independents.


EBONI WILLIAMS, GUEST CO-HOST: Yes. Speaking of that Bret, you mentioned that Donald Trump definitely struggles with women, and that you know, certainly that for Donald Trump is making up for that with his men. But going back to Trump's issue with women, do you think calling Hillary an enabler, that kind of tone, do you think that will hurt him with women moving forward? Or do you think someone will think, well, it's about time that someone called Hillary Clinton to the carpet in this way?

BAIER: You know, Eboni, I just don't know if we know how that plays out. I think that it's a risky strategy. Obviously that, you know, some women will look at it that finally someone is taking her on, on these issues that people have been afraid to talk about, but there are also is the possibility of losing some independence along the way. Donald Trump's biggest challenge this week, I think, is to get the Republican Party, at least somewhat, on the same bus here as you head towards the convention in Cleveland.


DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Talking about Hillary Clinton campaign for a second. So when she started out last year, she had all the money, she hardly had any competition. They didn't think Bernie Sanders was going to be serious competition. And now she's going to face, if she becomes the nominee, a general election candidate in Donald Trump, and a conventional campaign that the Brooklyn folks have organized -- have put together for Hillary Clinton, probably is not going to cut the mustard. So, are you hearing anything about some retooling or some rethinking over in Hillary camp in order to try to -- actually be competitive until November?

BAIER: Yeah, I've talked to a lot of democrats and different strategists on the democratic side who say that they're going to have to throw the book out and come up with a new approach, because this is not the traditional republican they'd be running against. And the variables we talk about are how he campaigns and how he is, you know, drawing people just by simply talking at different events, in a way that no other republican has talked about on the trail. I think they are worried about a number of states, especially in the Midwest and sometimes in the Rust Belt if you will. They're worried about looking at those numbers and saying there could be some places where Mitt Romney lost that Donald Trump performs better. But overall, they feel this confidence that because of his unfavorable numbers that they can, you know, exploit that, especially with Hispanics, blacks and women.


GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Two questions, Bret -- and you look great today, I might add.

BAIER: Oh, thank you. It's spring.

GUTFELD: Do unfavorables matter at this point when you're dealing with two people who are -- who seem to be unfavorable almost at the same level? Do they kind of cancel out? And that goes away once people go to vote? The other thing is you see people that are reticent about backing Trump. Now, do you think that that is still based on principle or the fear that he doesn't have a shot?

BAIER: Well, you know, politicians want to hedge bets. And they want to see how things are, you know, lining up. So, you saw Marco Rubio saying he doesn't want to be considered for VP. And said that, you know, he is going to support the republican nominee, but he is not going to really campaign for Donald Trump. I mean, it's interesting to watch him walk that line. He obviously signed that pledge that he would support the republican nominee. I think Paul Ryan was trying to provide cover for some of his lawmakers who are not yet supporting Donald Trump. But in the end, I think that the Republican Party, overall, the big unifying factor will be Hillary Clinton. And you're right, unfavorable numbers since they're both up there, I mean, Donald Trump has her beat -- had beaten by a little bit, as far as unfavorable numbers. It's going to be negative. And you're starting to see these exit polls coming in from West Virginia, and I think you're going to see it one-sided, because she really -- may have stepped in it on the coal --


BAIER: . comments.

BOLLING: Can I follow up on that Bret? So it is in West Virginia, it's an issue on the democrat side. Bernie Sanders likely will beat her in West Virginia because of the coal comments. Let's remind the viewer, though, there's a lot of coal country in Pennsylvania. There's a lot of coal country in Ohio, there's coal country in Kentucky, which a republican would probably win, anyway. But those are some swing states there and, you know, is there an opportunity to Donald -- for Donald Trump to turn what is a primary issue into a general election issue, not only coal, but the way she said, "We're gonna put coal companies out of business and coal miners out of job." I mean, I think there's a massive opportunity, especially in these swing states.

BAIER: No, I think you're right, Eric. And listen, a lot of these states have felt the brunt of the EPA and the brunt of Obama administration regulations. A lot of Companies really struggling, if not put out of business. And in all of those states you mentioned, that affects people directly. So when you're talking about another four years, after eight years of an Obama administration, Donald Trump does have an opening there. And that's one of the things that I think his campaign is going to try to exploit.


GUILFOYLE: Yeah. Bret, I want to talk a little bit about the meeting that's coming up with Speaker Ryan. I think that's going to be very important and pivotal in terms of the tone, the tenor, maybe some of the conversation that comes out of it. What are you hearing and what should we expect?

BAIER: Well, there's, you know, a tentative feeling up on the hill that this is going to be fine. And they're going to work things out. I think that they really want to see eye to eye on legislative priorities. And you know, judging by what Donald Trump has said, he said to me last Thursday that he's willing to negotiate on a host of issues; pretty much every issue with Congress. I think Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell want their legislative agenda that they've been working on to be at least endorsed or at least backed up somewhat by the presumptive nominee.


BOLLING: OK, Eboni, do you have one?

WILLIAMS: Yeah, Bret, really quick. I want to ask you about young voters. And as you pointed out, you know, that's a place where Hillary Clinton has really struggled. We saw Barack Obama doing very well with young voters. Right now, those young voters on the democratic side are going with Bernie Sanders. Now, they're talking of bunch about unity on the republican side. I want to ask you Bret from the democrats you're talking to in Washington and wherever. Are they talking about of having any concern around unity, around Hillary Clinton, particularly her ability to appeal to some of these younger voters who are very Bernie or bust right now?

BAIER: Yeah, that's a big concern, Eboni. I mean, he has clearly motivated millennials. He's motivated the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. And while Hillary Clinton said she wants to reach out to disaffected republicans, and wants to, you know, on people concerned on the republican side about foreign policy. She's also, at the same time, trying to reach out to the progressive wing of the Democratic Party and young people. So that's a really tough line to walk for Hillary Clinton and her campaign. There is concern about motivating young people, and I think her VP choice is probably going to be centered around that if I had to guess.


GUTFELD: Yeah, you've mentioned we're talking about the meeting, the upcoming meeting with Ryan and Trump. And I'm wondering -- I understand how one can negotiate on terms of a deal, but how do you negotiate on the principles when you're talking about things like entitlement reform or tariffs, free trade, when these are based on actual principles. How do you actually resolve that?

BAIER: That's a great question. I mean there's a --

GUTFELD: Thank you.

BAIER: . huge -- yeah. And that's rare.


BAIER: I just want to point that out.


BAIER: There's a huge gulf between what Donald Trump has been talking about on the trail and where some of these republicans up on Capitol Hill are, and that's, you know, negotiating. That is a big difference. And I think that's one of the challenges for this meeting on Thursday. You know what's interesting is that Trump is telling the "Associated Press" that he is narrowed his VP choices down to five or six, and that's interesting. And a name, by the way, that just popped up today up here is Senator Bob Corker from Tennessee who is, obviously, a foreign policy expert. And you know it's interesting that his name is kind of surfacing today.

BOLLING: Greg, we got about 30 seconds, Dana has one quick one.

PERINO: I just want to ask if the retooling in Brooklyn, if they're thinking about throwing out the playbook. How much will their new playbook include President Obama to try to bridge the gulf that Eboni was talking about?

BAIER: Another great question, but I think that the Clinton campaign wants to fire up young people, and so they're going to tap President Obama, who by the way is really itching to get out on the campaign trail again. That's where he feels most comfortable.

BOLLING: All right, Bret, we really appreciate you spending some time on "The Five" today. Thanks a lot.

BAIER: All right. I'll see you again.

BOLLING: Much more to come on this Election Day, Martha MacCallum joins us next with brand new exit polls out of Nebraska and West Virginia, so stay tuned with that. Before we go, a programming note -- tonight, we'll be back here again at midnight. Live with our analysis of tonight's results -- unique result analysis, I'm sure. Hope you join us. We'll be right back.


PERINO: A Fox News alert. Results from exit polls in Nebraska and West Virginia are in and "America's Newsroom" host, Martha MacCallum has them, and she is, actually here with us now --


PERINO: Is this your debut?

MACCALLUM: This is --

PERINO: Or not?

MACCALLUM: Well standing here, I've been overseas and on the show at the same time.


MACCALLUM: It was really -- it was a pleasure to, but --

PERINO: It was a fond memory at "The Five."

MACCALLUM: It's much better to be here with you all. So I'm --


BOLLING: You have no idea.





MACCALLUM: How are you?

GUTFELD: I'm good.

PERINO: You have taken us through this entire election season with the exit polls, which I think of the most interesting things that we can learn in the night. What did you find out about West Virginia and Nebraska?

MACCALLUM: So literally, the numbers are still coming in. As we're looking at them right now, so there are a few things that we can take a look at, maybe we can put some of them up on the screen. You know, the West Virginia democrats are fascinating to watch in this race, because we've heard anecdotally from many that they are voting for Bernie Sanders, you know, in an interview this morning, voting for Bernie Sanders, but they're going to vote for Donald Trump in the fall. So there's -- there is this sort of change that's been happening over the last several years where West Virginia is not looking as democrat as it was in one time.


MACCALLUM: So West Virginia democrats 2016 vote for president; 44 percent Hillary Clinton, 33 percent Donald Trump and 21 percent say that they are not satisfied with either of the choices that they have. So when Sanders is in the mix -- take a look at this one, 48 percent for Sanders, this is West Virginia democrats that we're looking at right now, 32 percent Donald Trump, 18 percent say neither. So there's a significant chunk of people on the democratic side who are undecided. These are interesting too, because these are numbers that we are seeing for the first time out of West Virginia, that now we're this far in the process. We're getting a little bit of a look at the head-to-head contest, as West Virginians see it, at least, likely that Clinton will beat Trump. This is coming from democrats, once again; 31 percent -- say very, 32 percent say somewhat. So you've got, you k now, 63 percent say that they think it's likely that Hillary will win.

PERINO: I was trying to help with the math.


PERINO: . of this about --

MACCALLUM: Thank you.

PERINO: It does much of that.

MACCALLUM: . because I need that.

PERINO: Yeah, they do.

MACCALLUM: Thirty-one and thirty-two is tricky.

BOLLING: Can I -- this one took little bit later down.


BOLLING: . into this exit poll here. So it's almost half of Sanders voters say they vote for Trump in November over Clinton.

MACCALLUM: That is a fascinating number.

BOLLING: That's true.


MACCALLUM: And that is what we've seen -- we heard, you know, we heard folks at the diner this morning at "Fox & Friends," I thought it was fascinating. They were talking about -- they're talking to this gentleman and they said, well, I'm gonna -- I'm voting against Hillary Clinton, and you know, (inaudible) was talking to him, she said, "What do you mean?" "I'm going to vote against Hillary Clinton, I'm gonna vote for Bernie Sanders, and in the fall I'm going to vote for Donald Trump." Now that was anecdotal, but this is a -- pretty interesting number that Eric is pointing out, that shows that almost half of the Sanders vote say that they will vote for Trump in November?

GUILFOYLE: Do you attribute that to the kind of the need and the quest for an outsider, for somebody that's not D.C. politics as usual, because we've kind of hearing it anecdotally.


GUILFOYLE: . but now you're seeing some numbers to back up.

MACCALLUM: And you put it another way, you can attribute it to the dissatisfaction of the white male voter. And West Virginia has a high population of people like that, you know, the coal-mining population that we've talked about this week. Clearly, there's a dissatisfaction among this group of voters. And, Donald Trump is carving out a voter that we've -- in many ways have not seen before. And it's fascinating to see it expressed in that number. That half of the Sanders vote they say will -- next time when it comes to the general election, I'm going to vote for Donald Trump.

WILLIAMS: Martha, I know a chief criticism of many of the republican base of Donald Trump's candidacy has been his overall electability in the general election. I thought it was so fascinating; I, myself an independent. Independents made up a third of today's democratic voters in West Virginia. And as you're talking about Donald Trump's ability to get those, do you think that helps Trump's argument about his overall electability that he can bring in non-traditional republicans.


WILLIAMS: . the general election?

MACCALLUM: I think it does. And we saw in Quinnipiac Polls today, we saw Ohio, we saw Pennsylvania, some of that vote is similar to what you see in West Virginia, in the areas that borderline those states. And we see a very even matchup developing between Hilary Clinton and Donald Trump in those states. It wouldn't be surprising if we saw some of that independent vote as well in West Virginia.

PERINO: Did you notice anything that was a big shock or different from the exit polls that you saw? Because they well very -- been fairly consistent (inaudible).

MACCALLUM: You know I think there were continue -- I think there is a consistency. I think we continue to see the search for an outsider. I think we continue to see the anger factor is clearly evident in West Virginia, as well, today. So, yeah, I think we're seeing a lot of, you know, similar trends that we've seen in the early ones, but we -- we're starting to get a little bit clearer picture as it kind of comes in to people's mind as well, if it's Clinton and Trump.

PERINO: These two.

MACCALLUM: How do they match up and how does the independent voter move from side to side as well.

PERINO: We're getting paper, we have safer being -- it just did.

GUILFOYLE: We have more stuff coming in.

PERINO: Greg, do you want to redeem yourself with the question.

GUTFELD: Well, I know that you are a huge fan of Great Britain. So I want to bring up --


GUTFELD: What's called the --

GUILFOYLE: Here we go.

GUTFELD: The shy Tory factor, which is.


GUTFELD: . when conservative vote turns out higher than what the exit polling suggests, because people are less likely to stay.

MACCALLUM: That's right.

GUTFELD: And I'm wondering if that might translate with Trump, The shy Trump factor, which the people may not want to say they're voting for him.


GUTFELD: And then they do.

MACCALLUM: I mean, I do think it's evident in this country. Well, the one with generally conservative voters don't talk to the exit pollers as often.


MACCALLUM: . as liberal voters do. It's a phenomenon. We see they're more shy, they're more conservative, so to speak. And they don't know who fairly want to share their feelings with the exit pollers, so they come out. And we -- I do think that, that will be a factor with Trump. There's not a number (inaudible), but just, you know, from what we have seen, you know, they may be a little bit reluctant. But the exit polls have been fairly good throughout the course of this election.


GUTFELD: So follow-up question, was that a good question?


MACCALLUM: An excellent question.



MACCALLUM: Excellent question.

PERINO: Eric, do you have another one for Martha?


BOLLING: All right. I was (inaudible) and how they, he pandered for that --


BOLLING: Good question.



GUILFOYLE: Oh yeah, there was -- the paper that we just passed Martha, under there. One of the things there it said that people, in terms of what are you looking for somebody that you are going to vote for in November. And some of the numbers where towards the bottom, whether or not the person cares about me.


GUILFOYLE: . whether or not they're electable. Can you talk to us a little bit about that?

MACCALLUM: My highlighter --

GUILFOYLE: There you go.

MACCALLUM: -- as it coming in. Top candidate quality, it's so fascinating to me. No one cares who can win in November.


MACCALLUM: Yeah, time and time again we've seen these polls, 10 percent say it matters to me if someone can win in November. And you know that was John Kasich's big thing. And we saw how that worked out for him. But number one in this is cares about me. Honest and trustworthy comes in second at 27 percent and to my experience, 26. We generally see that people who are interested and experienced, among the experience voters, they are often Hillary Clinton voters.


PERINO: The residents of West Virginia have a reason to think that they've been forgotten, not even just forgotten actually, they have been targeted. They are the direct result of years worth of regulatory pressure to -- as Hillary Clinton said, "put the coal miners out of business." It's not that coal is the only industry in West Virginia, but it has been the backbone, and these people work so hard provide us the electricity that we want. I can understand why they would say that their most important issue is somebody who cares about them.

BOLLING: Can I throw some --

PERINO: How can I forget them?

BOLLING: Can I also add, its coal right now, but the next on the liberal agenda is all other forms of fossil fuel. Crude oil is next, maybe -- perhaps it's not natural gas.


BOLLING: Natural gas used to be a dirty fuel, a fossil fuel and now all of a sudden it's a clean, renewable fuel for some reason --

GUTFELD: And fracking --

BOLLING: Renewable.

GUTFELD: Fracking was supposed to be the clean, the clean natural -- it was a natural gas.


GUTFELD: And now it's demonized because it's successful.

BOLLING: The point is, at some point they're gonna pick another industry to go after to shut them down and shut down the workers (inaudible).

MACCALLUM: And you can almost feel, you know, when Hillary Clinton said that comment that it worked in so many states, right? And then it went slamming back in her face.



MACCALLUM: . when she said it in a place where it wasn't well received. And that agenda is, you know, so well received in certain areas, especially the ones that they had been to in the past couple of months. It went over like --

PERINO: And then she tries to say that her $30 million proposal to give them money is actually going well --


PERINO: . going to work. And I think what these voters are saying is that even if it comes down to Trump or Hillary, if you're a democrat --


PERINO: You might vote for Trump.

WILLIAMS: And also, I think you're right Dana, and I think that her positions on trade have also come back to haunt her. I think that's a place where Bernie Sanders has been really, really successful. And I think we can expect Donald Trump to really piggy-back off of that going to a general.

GUILFOYLE: But wouldn't you expect also, you know, in a place like West Virginia, I mean, they should stand up and vote (inaudible) against Hillary Clinton. What she's in, she's trying to take food off the table, money out of their wallets and then give them a handout. And you saw that resounding impact that had in that want him, you know, even the interview, you interviewed him actually on America's Newsroom, the guy who was out of a job and he said, "I don't want a handout." You know.


GUILFOYLE: ... they don't want that. They want a job to be able to support their family.

MACCALLUM: Absolutely.

PERINO: All right, Martha, we're gonna be watching tonight.

MACCALLUM: Good to see you, guys.

PERINO: . and throughout the rest of --


PERINO: All right. Ahead, social network giants Twitter and Facebook, both under fire, Twitter for cutting off U.S. Intelligence, and Facebook for allegedly cutting out conservatives. It's all coming up on "The Five."


GUILFOYLE: This is gonna well. Welcome back to "The Five," more results now from exit polls out of West Virginia and Nebraska. First up, most important issue on republican voters in West Virginia, we can see those numbers, Vana (ph) can we? All right, at the top, economy, 34 percent.

PERINO: Fifty-four percent.

WILLIAMS: Fifty-four percent.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, 54 percent.


GUILFOYLE: Government spending, 24, Immigration, 9 percent and terrorism 9 percent. Any surprises there, in terms of the numbers?

PERINO: It makes sense to me. West Virginia --


PERINO: Republicans, and earlier we're just talking about --

GUTFELD: The Waldo matter.

PERINO: What? -- But immigration, immigration has been consistently throughout since January. The last out of four issues, fourth out of four, I guess it tied in here. But it's not a surprised; economy and jobs, the most important thing. Not just for West Virginia, but I think republicans as a whole are going to say that --

GUTFELD: Terrorism is very low.

WILLIAMS: I was actually surprised terrorism was so low. I don't know.

PERINO: But if you're in West Virginia, you're probably not that worried about it.

WILLIAMS: Money is going to be the big one.

GUILFOYLE: So Eric, look at the immigration numbers that a lot of people have talked about, with Trump. They build a wall. Who's going to pay for it? Mexico, right, Eboni?


GUILFOYLE: This is what people have been talking about a lot, but it does factor in, as well, to national security and to jobs.

BOLLING: So West Virginia there, right? Bump it back up to the economy again. Fifty-four percent, that's high. Important.

Also, in that Quinnipiac poll from earlier, where the three big states, Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania, the economy by far the No. 1, the No. 1 issue again. And they have. Honestly, they have in a head-to-head, economy, Trump over Clinton 54-40 in Florida, 52-48 in Pennsylvania and 51- 42 in Pennsylvania. The economy. If it does get back to a jobs election, he does well against her.

GUTFELD: The government spending, is that because it's too much or too little?

PERINO: I would say -- I would say too much.

GUILFOYLE: All right. So let's take it to Nebraska now for the most important issue. We can get those numbers up, as well, and there they are. OK, government spending, Dana. In Nebraska 30 percent. That's ranking as the most important issue to voters in that state.

PERINO: I think that's interesting and something that neither candidate has talked about enough, which is how are you going to then govern when you get there on January 20? We will have a new president. They are going to inherit a $19 trillion debt, right?

BOLLING: Twenty, I think...

PERINO: And they've had -- we've had 2 percent growth for the last eight years, a slow recovery. And so how are you going to actually jumpstart that? I think the people in Nebraska, these Republicans are saying, is important to us, that the government try to get -- try to get -- tightening its belt.

And so whoever's the next president is going to have to work with Congress to get that done regardless, because they're going to have so many problems on their hand, they're going to have no money with which to do anything.

GUILFOYLE: And tight under there is the economy, the jobs, 29 percent followed by terrorism, 21 percent, and then 18 percent, immigration. Any surprises there, Eric?

BOLLING: I'm surprised that terrorism is that -- is -- where did government spending come out of the blue in both of these states, right? Apparently, the Americans are very -- these are just Republicans?

PERINO: Yes. Just Republicans.

BOLLING: Republicans are going to be concerned about Republican spending. That's a big issue.

GUTFELD: It's the issue that Trump won't touch, right, because entitlements, he won't go near entitlements, so I don't know. Everything weighs upon terror. If you have a terror attack, none of these things matter.

WILLIAMS: They don' matter anymore. But this is not unique to the Republicans. We're looking at those polls there, but we saw in West Virginia, the Democratic voters also saying economics were very, very important to them.

So I think that's an issue if you're making the argument that Trump can kind of cross some bridges there, you know, across the aisle, maybe that's his strongest arguments.

GUILFOYLE: All right. We have some other numbers in regarding the Republican Party. State of the Republican Party for Nebraska Republicans, united now, 3 percent. That's an abysmal number any way you look at it. Divided and will unite, 51 percent feeling optimistic. And will remain divided, 45 percent.

Greg, you're a kind of a cranky individual.

GUTFELD: This is -- this reflects everything. I mean, this just reflects the way the world is right now. We have people that feel strongly one way, and other people feel strongly the other. Some people are saying, "I want to stick to my principles." The other people are saying, "No, get on the train." I think that's what you have, what you're seeing everywhere. We see this here; we see this out there.

PERINO: That poll will look very different in a month.


PERINO: It depends on -- so much rides on what happens in the next few weeks.

BOLLING: Few weeks? How about Thursday? A lot will ride on Thursday.

PERINO: I think it takes a little while, but I do think it takes a while for public sentiment to -- to get reflected in polls.

WILLIAMS: And also, like, real feelings. I mean, we're -- I was talking to Charles Payne about this. It's almost like the stages of grief for some people. They feel like, you know, their values haven't been understood, presented or heard. And so I think that's a real emotion, and it takes time to kind of get past that shock, disbelief, anger and eventual acceptance.

GUILFOYLE: Right, OK. Well, that was a very good, like, one on one (ph). I love it. Fantastic. Well-educated at the table.

All right. We're going to get out of that. Ahead, a controversial new move by Twitter that's going to hamper America's war on terror. We're going to explain, next. Stay with us.


GUTFELD: In case you've forgotten, Twitter is cool. So cool it decided to cut off U.S. intelligence from using Data Miner, a service that analyzes tweets.

On the surface, Twitter appears to be keeping our evil government from reading your private stuff, which is likely to impress Silicon Valley's millionaired hoodies. But it's all a lie. These are published tweets, as private as limericks on a public bathroom wall.

So Twitter really just stopped our agents from sorting through available stuff in real time, preventing them from tracking terrorists as they strike. Twitter is not acting on principle. It just prefers the illusion of bravery over fighting deadly jihadism. But that's what makes Twitter so cool.

What's not cool? Minnesota. A goofy state that totally nerded out during World War II by helping the war effort. There, 3M sticky sandpaper was reworked for plane wings and ship decks so you could stand on them without falling. Hormel sent food to our allies. General Mills made gun sights. Pillsbury created two new soups to support the effort. Cargill, a food company I haven't heard of, made 18 ships. A Minnesota physiologist invented the K-ration, a lightweight meal troops could carry for energy needs.

Minnesota, just one state of 50. I picked it to show what you ordinary people did in extraordinary times. Unlike Twitter, who think they're extraordinary people in ordinary times.

They aren't, screw 'em.

I got some of that information on Minnesota from a great article by Kathy Werzer (Ph), a reporter from Minnesota. It's amazing. That's one state, but everybody pitched in. But for some reason, Dana, Twitter, it's like if they pitch in, it makes it look like, you know, they're...

PERINO: Playing favorites?

GUTFELD: No, no, they're -- they're part of the problem. You want to be David, not Goliath.

Perino: Well, right, although but they do have to understand is that the enemy is using the tools and intel services need information. Intel services can't do anything if they don't have information. And I think Twitter should try to figure out a way to be part of the solution.

GUTFELD: Yes. Well, they should be.

PERINO: I'm sure they would just tell me they are part of the solution, that they do all sorts of things, but the story to me is troubling.

GUTFELD: Eric, do you think this is a front, that they're actually helping?

BOLLING: I'm trying to dig into this a little bit. So they're pushing back on open sourcing, but you can open source. You can go right into Twitter. You can get this information...


BOLLING: ... fairly easily. I think that what they're -- what I understand is they're pushing back, because it's a government agency. They don't want government agencies like the CIA to access it. Or have this company sell it to government agencies like the CIA. I don't know why they would. Unless there's some way of getting into some of this direct messaging.

In other words, if it's just the stuff that people post on Twitter, I can't imagine why anyone would have a problem with it. But if they have a way to access the direct messaging, that would be -- that would be an invasion of privacy. If it's open-source stuff, I mean, that's wide open for everyone.


BOLLING: Including ISIS.

GUILFOYLE: Nobody's direct messaging is worth reading except, like, Anthony Wiener, right?

GUTFELD: Yes. Do you still have those, Kimberly?

GUILFOYLE: Untrue, erroneous.

GUTFELD: You did that, maybe.

GUILFOYLE: OK. All right, the midnight show canceled.

All right. Twitter cannot afford to be on the wrong side. Next terror attack, right? I mean, they have to get on board here and be part of, like, this is the solution, especially when you see the active way that ISIS is able to capitalize and recruit and spread jihad on Twitter, on social media.

So they're going to be in a position then to be, fall in, you know, disfavor like Google and Apple and some of these other terror obstructionists, trying to prevent our war on terror from succeeding. Like Dana said that it's crucial to be able to get this information to analyze it, to prevent the next attack.

Do you want Twitter standing in the way or, even more importantly, on the side of ISIS and the caliphate when they should be on the side of intelligence agencies?

WILLIAMS: I think this is complete nonsense, Greg. I think Twitter is being completely hypocritical here. I believe in the Fourth Amendment. I believe in privacy rights. They're very important. I also believe, generally speaking, most of us have already sacrificed those privacy rights. Some of it voluntarily, some of it not. We should at least be safer for it. It's very simple to me.

You know, if we're basically going to go in and undermine and gut the Fourth Amendment, and we're going to sacrifice most of our privacy rights anyway, shouldn't we have something for that sacrifice, to your point, Kimberly, feel safer? To your point, Dana, be part of the solution. If you already have kind of stripped us of our rights to be private, anyway?

GUILFOYLE: Like San Bernardino.

BOLLING: Are we missing -- are we missing something? It literally is just this company is just aggregating?

WILLIAMS: It's the optics. They say...

GUTFELD: It's about how it looks.

WILLIAMS: They literally said it, Eric. They say it's the optics.

BOLLING: You can access this yourself. You can...

WILLIAMS: But they don't...

BOLLING: Put a search warrant on terror or ISIS or whatever and basically data-mine for yourself. I mean, what's the difference?

WILLIAMS: They don't want to hand it to them. They don't want to hand it to them.

GUTFELD: The reason is Twitter is in a slump. And it's great press.

GUILFOYLE: Exactly right.

GUTFELD: When the press says Twitter stands up to the government and won't share this information, so it makes Twitter look like they are David.

PERINO: The white knight.

GUTFELD: They are the white knight. They need good press, because they're...

WILLIAMS: Now they're the warrior of privacy? That's what I'm saying, completely hypocritical.

GUTFELD: Yes, all right. Well, I think we covered a lot there.

PERINO: Well done.

GUTFELD: Thank you very much. Want to talk about anything else? Plans?

PERINO: You have a tease.

GUTFELD: That's right. Ahead, Ted Cruz getting back into the race? You'll hear from him, next. He'll be right here. Really?


WILLIAMS: Ted Cruz dropped out of the Republican presidential race last week, but today, he's flirting with the idea of getting back in the presidential if he fares well in the remaining primaries.


SEN. TED CRUZ, FORMER REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We've suspended the campaign, because I can see no viable path to victory. Of course, if that changed, we would reconsider. Let's be clear. We're not going to win Nebraska today. There should be no mystery, no excitement in that.

We've withdrawn from the campaign. And it's in the hands of the voters. If circumstances change, we will always assess changed circumstances. But -- but I appreciate the eagerness and excitement of all the folks in the media to see me back in the ring. But you may -- you may have to wait a little bit longer.


WILLIAMS: We also heard from Marco Rubio earlier. Now have his feelings about the Donald changed, now that he's the presumptive GOP nominee?


SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R), FLORIDA: The policy differences and reservations about Donald's campaign are well-established. I've said them often. And I stand by those. Those remain, and I hope they'll be addressed but those remain.

That said, I don't view myself as a guy who's going to sit here for the next six months, taking shots at him. People know where I stand. They know what I feel. They know what our differences are. He's the nominee of the Republican Party or the presumptive nominee of the voters. I respect that and accept it. But that's not going to change the reservations I have about his campaign or about some of the policies that he's established.


WILLIAMS: OK, K.G. Is this Rubio letting me know that we need to get ready for Marco Rubio becomes Republican savior, take two? Is that what this is?

GUILFOYLE: You know, I don't know. I think he's just kind of playing it safe. He's a little bit of, like, Ringling Brothers, you know, walking the tight wire to say, "Listen, I signed a pledge, which I think you should." If you sign the pledge, on your word, fine.

But he said, "Listen, I've got differences with how he runs his campaign and with him on some policy positions."

But nevertheless, Marco has to be careful. He's not going back into the Senate like Ted Cruz. What's his next play? Does he want to say politically relevant? I wouldn't just, you know, throw off an opportunity and even the buzz about hey, he could be considered a vice-presidential candidate. Why wouldn't you say, "Oh, fine, OK, that's nice to be considered," et cetera. Because maybe you want in the future some of those voters that are on the Trump train to be supportive of you. No need to, like, burn bridges and ask for Ted Cruz -- what? Like whoa.

WILLIAMS: Very interesting point. How about that, Eric? Ted Cruz talks about changing circumstances. But is there a possibility for a changed result at this point?

BOLLING: No. No, none. And I'm thinking this all started because he was on a radio interview with Glenn Beck. And Glenn kind of -- I thought he was joking when he floated the idea of winning Nebraska, ha-ha. And Cruz, I thought he was joking back. And of course, everyone made huge news out of it, like, Ted Cruz might jump back in the race if he wins Nebraska. It doesn't matter -- Ted, that's great. Did exactly what you're supposed to do. Go clarify, which he did.

Very interesting, though, the Marco Rubio interview. That was a fantastic interview. He was pinned down, "Would you be the vice president?" He said, "No, I think Donald Trump should pick someone that -- that more ascribes to what he's trying to do here." But he never really said, "I'm not going to do it."

He also said, "Well, I'm not going to run for governor. I'm going to go back to the Senate and finish my term in the Senate and then figure it out."

I think that it's wide open for Marco Rubio, if Donald Trump taps him to be the vice president. And frankly, that would be great for Marco Rubio, too. If Donald Trump wins the presidency, Marco Rubio is young enough to be the incumbent. To come in and say hey...

WILLIAMS: That's a scenario. But Dana, there's another scenario. That Trump doesn't win this thing in November. And so is that what we're seeing from Marco Rubio? Because that's how I interpreted it. I thought it was him distancing himself in the instance that there is a Trump defeat, and he gets an opportunity to come back and say, "I wasn't a part of that." How do you see it?

PERINO: I see it as Marco Rubio doing his first interview, which isn't easy after a grueling campaign and, you know, a loss where he disappointed a lot of people who are still very loyal to him. I don't think he's actually making any plans, or he's not being calculated. He's just being sincere. And I also think that he's being principled. He's like, "I've got to look at myself in the mirror every night." And I'm not going to make a decision right now."

There are tectonic shifts in the electorate and in the Republican Party. How that all ends up at the end, who knows? But I would just take him at his word. He's not interested. Maybe he'll change his mind if he gets a phone call. But he's not soliciting a phone call.

WILLIAMS: No, I completely agree. Greg, do you think that Cruz is in denial? I love this look of engagement that you're giving me. Do you think he's just in flat-out denial? Or do you think that he just can't let go of being on the campaign trail? What is in this at this point for Cruz, talking about...?

GUTFELD: Lyin' Ted. Lied about dropping out. He lied about dropping out. Lyin' Ted.

Look, he's like a taxidermist trying to reanimate a dead pet. How can it happen? And I don't think it's going to happen there, so I wouldn't worry about it. I'm more interested to how big is the Azalea Banks endorsing Trump? How big is that going to be? Is that...

WILLIAMS: I think the black vote's going to shift.

GUTFELD: It's a turning point for me. Because it's like Dominos. If you get Azalea Banks, you get Iggy Azalea, then you get Kesha -- or is it "Keesha"?


GUTFELD: Kesha. Then Lady Gaga. It's all the way up. You're going to get Barbra Streisand, trust me. That's the step.

BOLLING: That's four. That's four.

WILLIAMS: Greg, "One More Thing" is up next.


BOLLING: All right. Time for "One More Thing." Greg is first.

GUILFOYLE: So weird.


GUTFELD: Greg's Crime Corner.


GUTFELD: All right. You know when you see a story about crimes. Often the victim's faces are blurred. In West Midlands, police felt they had to pixelate the faces of stolen sheep. Apparently, they didn't want them embarrassed.

But it turns out some people were offended by this, that the sheep's faces were pixelated. But the officers said they were kidding. It's amazing to me in this day and age you still rustle sheep when you have Tinder.

BOLLING: Very nice. Well done.

GUILFOYLE: I can't. Honestly.

BOLLING: Let's just go around.

WILLIAMS: All about. Here we go. Steph Curry, big congrats to my hometown boy from Charleston, South Carolina. He is the MVP of the NBA, no shocker there. But what is shocking, he's the first person in history to do this, the unanimous winner. OK? He got all 131 votes. Not even Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Wilt Chamberlain, no one has ever done that. I knew he was going to be special.

GUILFOYLE: Is that popular or electoral votes?

WILLIAMS: He won them all, K.G. I knew he was going to be something special. Ever since he took Davison to the sweet 16. That was a while back.

PERINO: I know.

WILLIAMS: You remember that?


WILLIAMS: Cinderella. Dana, come on. Go, girl.

PERINO: All right. So it's the 100th anniversary of the National Park Service, and Laura Bush and Jenna Bush Hager have done this cute little children's book. It is called "Our Great Big Backyard." And they were on "The Today Show" talking about it.


JENNA BUSH HAGER, CO-AUTHOR, "OUR GREAT BIG BACKYARD": I just want to make sure that we live in a world where my girls look up. Because my mom -- what is wrong with me? My mom taught me and Barbara to look up, because our world has all of this magic. And if you're constantly looking down at things, you'll miss out on the beauty of life.


PERINO: So you know, I love the park service. I love it all. And I'm going to give this book to Kimberly for Ronan, because he's going to read it aloud to her tomorrow night.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you. Very nice. Because we'll be a little bit late for that. Thank you so much.

BOLLING: And your "One More Thing."

GUILFOYLE: Yes. Thank you. So today, May 10, kicks off National Women's Lung Health Week. And that's why I'm wearing turquoise today. And encouraging you to light up all your social media, turquoise in the background to support the American Lung Association's Lung Force and its initiative to rally women to raise their voices and make lung cancer a public health priority.

And believe it or not, it is the No. 1 cancer killer of women. You probably didn't realize that, Dana and Eboni. And despite this sobering fact, only 1 percent of women say it's even on their radar to even think about or consider. So you can go to LungForce.org to show your support and help out with the organization, perhaps make a contribution.

BOLLING: Excellent.

OK. I don't drink Budweiser, but I'm going to start right now for this reason right here. Take a look at this. Budweiser between May 23 and the end of the November election, they're going to repackage their cans to say "America" across the top -- across the face of it. And also they have lines from the Pledge of Allegiance and "The Star-Spangled Banner." I think this is a fantastic marketing idea. All for Budweiser. Great job. I'm all Bud...

GUILFOYLE: You're giving up vodka?

BOLLING: ... all summer long.

PERINO: Drink up, America.

BOLLING: Still do the vodka.

GUILFOYLE: No more vodka?

GUTFELD: I'm still not drinking Budweiser.

BOLLING: Yes, that's it for us. Remember, we'll see you back here midnight for another hour, live hour with "The Five" for election analysis. "Special Report" coming up now.

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