Should New Mexico Still Belong to Mexico?

This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," April 17, 2006, that has been edited for clarity.

ALAN COLMES, CO-HOST: A movement calling for Mexico to take over America's Southwest to create a new nation called Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa or Fabio Nunez opens their mouth, they're saying some seditious thing. These — they're very active in what they believe in. And...



HANNITY: ... Mr. Gutierrez, the political science professor who we heard on this tape, he seems to believe it. Am I wrong? I'm listening to him speak in his own words, isn't he one?

YOUNG: Definitely. And Herman Baca. Who — he's in the video. I videotaped him January speaking to this Latino forum and California Congressman Joe Baca was there. His son was there, Joe Baca Jr., who is a California assemblyman.

HANNITY: Let me — let me see if I can — let me see if I can walk through this with you. This group MEChA — and this was brought about — they are calling basically — do they have language in their plan, a document, a founding document that talks about their independence.

In their founding document, is it true that they decry, as was in The Washington Times, the quote, "Brutal gringo invasion" that they say in their founding document, the land is rightfully ours and will be fought for and defended? And isn't it true that the Los Angeles mayor belonged to this group, became an issue in his last campaign? Is that part of their document? Is that part of what they say?

YOUNG: That's on their Web sites. I have never, you know, infiltrated one of their meetings myself. But these metro groups, they're all over our high school campuses. They're all over college campuses. Wherever you have a large Latino population, you'll have Cruz Bustamante , that don't support what was in the original document, and maybe it's evolved since then into something very different?

YOUNG: It's — I'm not sure what they would like to lead people to believe that has evolved into. But there is a very hard core movement involved in this, involved in this belief of Aztlan and the stolen land theory.

A lot of the people, they'll tell you that, you know, we need to go back to Europe, because we're the illegals here in this country.

COLMES: All right, Mr. Young. If that's the truth, they should come on and state their case on this show, if we can find someone to take that position. We thank you very much.

YOUNG: I know some that would — I know a few that would love to do that.

COLMES: All righty. We'll check that out.

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