This is a rush transcript from "Hannity," July 7, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
SEAN HANNITY, HOST: And welcome to "Hannity." The illegal immigrant who should have been deported earlier this year was arraigned on murder charges today for the killing of a woman last week on a pier in San Francisco. Francisco Sanchez, who has been deported five times and has seven felony convictions, is now accused of killing 32-year-old Kathryn Steinle.
And here with more reaction on the victim and her tragic death is Trace Gallagher -- Trace.
TRACE GALLAGHER, FOX CORRESPONDENT: Sean, her dad says she was thoughtful, spiritual and loving. Her brother called her a strong, outspoken free spirit. And her friends say she had a contagious laugh. Clearly, 32-year-old Kathryn Steinle left an indelible mark on those who loved her.
After growing up in San Francisco's East Bay, Steinle majored in communications at Cal Poly San Luis Obisco, then set off to see the world, traveling to Europe, Africa, China, Japan, and even living for a while in Dubai. Her family says she didn't go as much as to see the places as she did to meet the people and to learn the culture. Steinle eventually came back to the bay area and worked as a sales representative for a medical technology company.
Her charitable interests ranged from helping neglected or abandoned performing animals, like circus elephants, to helping physically challenged athletes get better in sports and better in life. The day before she died, she changed her Facebook cover photo with this saying, quoting, "Whatever's good for your soul, do that." Her family calls them words to live by -- Sean.
And thanks, Trace.
This is not the first time an illegal immigrant has committed a violent crime. Now, according to the Center of Immigration Studies, in 2013, ICE released just over 36,000 convicted illegal immigrants from its custody. Now, of those, 193 had homicide convictions, 426 were convicted for sexual assault, 303 had kidnapping convictions. And ICE has estimated that about 50 percent of illegal immigrants who are rearrested, then freed, reoffend after their release.
Now, the Federation of Immigration Reform estimates that illegal immigration costs you, the American taxpayers -- get this -- about $113 billion annually, including $15 billion on medical services, $39 billion on education for illegal immigrants and their U.S.-born children respectively. And we also spend over $12 billion on border security.
Here with reaction, 2016 GOP presidential candidate, the former governor of the great state of Texas, Rick Perry. Governor, having been down to border with you -- and I'm going to bring up some of those highlights in a second -- I was a little surprised that you were critical of Mr. Trump. Where's your criticism?
RICK PERRY, R-TEXAS, FMR. GOV., PRES. CANDIDATE: Well, I think you have to be critical of his disrespectful language that he used. We want to talk about how to bring this country together and the solutions that we have in this country, I'll be more than happy to have that conversation.
But to paint with the broad brush that Mr. Trump did and basically say that all Mexicans were rapists and killers is -- you know, that's just -- that is the type of inflammatory language that doesn't do anything at all.
What we need to be talking about is the real issue here, and that is the lack of commitment from Washington, D.C., to secure this border. You saw it, Sean. We put our border patrol -- or I should say our Department of Public Safety, our Texas Rangers, our Parks and Wildlife wardens -- right in the river. And we made a big impact. We had a 74 percent decrease in apprehensions. That's what we ought to be talking about...
HANNITY: I'm going to go to that in a second...
PERRY: ... rather than this rhetoric...
HANNITY: Yes, Governor, but I want to be fair to Mr. Trump in this respect. Perhaps inarticulate, but he did say, you know, some people are good people. He didn't say all Mexicans, as how you categorized it. He did say some people are good people.
But these crimes are being committed by illegal immigrants. You see these Department of Homeland Security numbers. You see the cost factor, health care, education, criminal justice system. You know, in that sense, factually, is he right that this is happening? That's just a fact, isn't it?
PERRY: Nobody knows it better than I do. For 14 years, I was the governor of a state with a 1,200-mile border with Mexico. I understand exactly what's going on.
And all the people of the state of Texas, whether they're Anglo or African-American or Hispanic, want to see that border secure. And that's what this conversation needs to stay focused on, not making, you know, rhetoric that is hyperbolic...
HANNITY: Let me go...
PERRY: He knew exactly what he was doing with those statements.
HANNITY: All right, I'll let you guys battle it out. We have a debate coming in less than a month, so I'm sure that issue will come up.
When I went down there -- this was the -- I sat through a security briefing with you, and in this briefing, we learned that there were 642,000 crimes committed against Texans alone since 2008.
I have that videotape. Let's roll it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Criminal aliens have been responsible for about 642,000 offenses, criminal offenses. You look up there on top left -- sexual assault, there's close to 8,000 victims out there.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 642,000 crimes...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In Texas alone?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) over 200,000 individuals with a criminal history reflects that they were committing over 642,000 crimes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's the cost of not securing the border.
HANNITY: OK, you -- when I sat through that briefing, these are the numbers that these officials gave us that are on the front lines every day. Since 2008 alone, 642,000 crimes, 8,000 sexual assault victims alone? Those numbers are staggering!
PERRY: They are, and that's the point. I mean, that's why we were -- we surged our individuals, our law enforcement to the border because we know what was going on.
And this issue is about -- the current administration basically says, you know, We spent this much money. We've got this many more people. And that's true, but they have the people in the wrong place. They're putting the resources in the wrong effort.
We know how to secure the border. You put the personnel on the border, you have the strategic fencing in place, and you have aviation assets from Tijuana to El Paso to Brownsville with quick response teams when you see activities that are either clearly illegal or suspicious. That's how you secure the border.
And if we had the will in Washington, D.C., the border with Mexico and the United States could be secure and it could be secure in a relatively short period of time.
HANNITY: Yes. But I'm looking at these numbers. And I sat through that briefing. And I want to -- I'm not trying to play politics, here but I want to go back -- let's play Donald Trump's statement because I really - - I'm not sure you disagree with it, based on what we were presented at that security briefing. Let's roll the tape.
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TRUMP: When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us (sic). They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people. But I speak to border guards, and they tell us what we're getting.
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HANNITY: What part of that specifically, Governor, do you disagree with?
PERRY: Well, when he paints with such a broad brush. I think that's, you know, the challenge that -- to make this rhetoric be disrespectful. And we know what the real challenge is. I mean, I hope who Donald Trump's really mad at is Washington, D.C., for their failure to secure that border because, I mean, we...
HANNITY: By the way, Governor...
PERRY: ... Washington has failed.
HANNITY: Governor, what we're showing now is when I was down at the border, floor to ceiling drugs confiscated. This was one of my many trips down to the border, as you know -- I mean, every drug imaginable flooding into American cities, getting into the veins and the blood system of American children, right there. It is the biggest warehouse you ever saw full of drugs. I was in it.
PERRY: I understand. Our people have been facing this for years, and Washington has failed to do its duty. One of the reasons I'm running for the presidency of the United States is so that there will be a president who understands and goes to the Oval Office every day with the intent to secure that border and to make America more secure.
HANNITY: Governor, I want to put up a chart showing 23.4 percent of federal prisoners are non-citizens. My question to you is, what should -- you know, we now have a situation where this guy, you know, a seven-time felon! Five times, he was sent back, you know, and we did not protect the family of this woman, Kate Steinle. And she is just one of -- you know, if you look at the 36,007 people that we let loose, of all those people, 426 were convicted of assault, 193 for homicide convictions after we let them out of prison!
Why would -- why is there no law on the books protecting Americans from those people that we know are criminals? Why would we ever let them back out into our streets?
PERRY: Because there is no will in Washington, D.C., to do their constitutional duty, that's why. I mean, we have been screaming at the top of our lungs in this state for a long time about Washington not doing their constitutional duty to secure that border.
And we know how to do it. I mean, you saw it, Sean. You and I together, you saw what we were capable of doing on that border. The problem is, that's not the state's responsibility. That's the federal government's responsibility.
And you have an administration -- and Congress, I will add -- that have not done their job. And we need not only a change in administration, we need a change in the mindset in this country, where we truly put the resources in the right place, put the personnel in the right place and the equipment in the right place to finally secure the border so Americans can go to sleep every night not having to think that they're...
HANNITY: Governor, I give you credit.
PERRY: ... may be one of the ones that's killed.
HANNITY: I was down there. You got your team on board when the federal government wouldn't. And I think this is going to be a big issue in the campaign. So thanks, as always.
PERRY: It should be.
HANNITY: All right, Governor, thank you.
PERRY: Thank you.
HANNITY: Now, my team and I -- meaning our producers -- combined have been to the border over 25 times. Now, we have seen what really goes on down there firsthand. We're going to have -- show you the video evidence when we get back.
And then we have shocking surveillance footage showing a now former Florida State University football player punching a young woman at a bar. His lawyer, Jose Baez, says that he was provoked. He'll be here tonight.
Plus, a "Hannity" exclusive. You'll meet the owners of Sweet Cakes (ph) bakery. They have been fined $135,000 for refusing to bake a cake for a same sex-wedding. That and more as "Hannity" continues straight ahead.
HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." Now, we've been warning you for years on this program about what's really going on at our southern border because my staff and I have been there and we've witnessed this firsthand.
Now, since 2005, this program has visited our southern border over 25 times. I have been there over 10 times myself to places like the outskirts of El Paso, Texas, and San Ysidro, California, and I have seen the drug warehouses full of seized drugs, smuggling tunnels crossing under the border and immigrants detained while trying to cross into this country illegally. I've been on patrol boats. I've been on helicopters. I've been on horseback. And I have seen up close and personal what things are really like down there.
Joining me now is a former member of the San Francisco Police Commission and civil rights attorney Joe Alioto Veronese, also FOX news contributor Katie Pavlich and the executive director of the National Immigration Forum, Ali Noorani, is with us.
All right, I guess Joe, I'll start with you. You have a police commissioner -- you have what's called a sanctuary city out there. Sanctuary city basically means that the city refuses to enforce federal law, cooperate with federal officials when it comes to illegal immigration.
Now, are they responsible? This guy went to San Francisco because he knew he would be protected by local government there. Do they bear responsibility for the killing that took place on Friday of this young 32- year-old woman?
JOE ALIOTO VERONESE, FMR. SAN FRANCISCO POLICE COMMISSION MEMBER: That (ph) the law (ph) -- absolutely no. I don't think that the sheriff or ICE can hide behind the sanctuary law as an excuse as to why this particular...
HANNITY: He went to San Francisco because it's a sanctuary city! And he knows that federal laws will not be enforced in San Francisco! That's why he went there!
VERONESE: Yes, I know. But as a law enforcement official in San Francisco, you have an obligation to protect the public. So when that -- when that person gets into your custody, you have to consider all options before you release him into the public. And it didn't actually happen in this particular case.
HANNITY: OK, well let's look at what...
HANNITY: Wait a minute! I don't think what you're saying is accurate.
HANNITY: Joe, that's not accurate because we know that ICE...
VERONESE: Of course it is.
HANNITY: We know that ICE released 36,007 illegal immigrants who had committed crimes. Of those...
VERONESE: Including this one.
HANNITY: Of those 36,000...
VERONESE: Including this one.
HANNITY: ... 193 homicide convictions after they were released, after they had been convicted previously...
HANNITY: ... 426 sexual assaults, 303 kidnapping convictions and 16,000 drug and alcohol, abusing -- driving while intoxicated issues. So my question to you is...
VERONESE: I'm not saying ICE...
HANNITY: What if it was your family?
VERONESE: I'm not saying ICE isn't to blame. You know, ICE is also to blame a little bit here because they're the ones, you know, to be cynical, that released this person to the city and county of San Francisco on a marijuana violation, hoping to get him back at some point...
HANNITY: Excuse me! The city of San Francisco was supposed to transfer him back! True or false, Katie Pavlich?
VERONESE: I get that. I get that. And once it gets...
KATIE PAVLICH, FOX CONTRIBUTOR: I think that actually...
VERONESE: ... to the sheriff's office, there's a lack of leadership there.
HANNITY: But the sanctuary...
VERONESE: ... should have considered all of his options before releasing that person to the public.
PAVLICH: I think that Joe is actually in agreement -- that the city of San Francisco and the police force failed to protect the public by releasing this guy. I think that he's trying to say that...
VERONESE: The sheriff's department, not the police department.
PAVLICH: The sheriff's department. Excuse me. I apologize. I think he's trying to say the sheriff's department did not do their duty in protecting the public by releasing this guy and showing very bad judgment when they knew that he was clearly a threat to the public.
But when you look at this as a whole, Sean -- you know, I'm in Washington, D.C. It is a Washington, D.C.-based problem that bleeds out to the rest of the country. It's a border security problem when these -- these guys -- and it's not an isolated incident in San Francisco, unfortunately.
These guys are deported multiple times on heinous crimes, and they're allowed to come back into the country, and then they go straight to these sanctuary cities, which, by the way, when the president says that it's Republicans' fault because they didn't pass this piece of legislation, the "gang of 8" bill -- that bill wouldn't have prevented this because it had an amendment from Senator Dianne Feinstein that wouldn't allow the feds to crack down...
HANNITY: It's unbelievable!
PAVLICH: It's a failure at the local and it's a failure on the federal level, as well.
HANNITY: Let me bring Ali into this because -- San Francisco is a sanctuary city, but America under Obama is a sanctuary country. If you are one of the families that lost -- 193 families that lost a loved one, if you were one of the 426 families that had a sexual assault against a loved one or 303 of the families that had a kidnapping, and you found out these people were arrested and not deported, but put back into the public, how angry would you be?
ALI NOORANI, NATIONAL IMMIGRATION FORUM: I am actually quite angry because our immigration system is a complete failure. From a security perspective...
HANNITY: I'm asking about if this was happening to you! Our government is not keeping these families safe!
NOORANI: Like I say, Sean, I am angry right now because nothing is working. That is the problem. So instead of, you know, thinking about, like, who's to blame, who -- what are the counterintuitive solutions that actually get us moving forward?
HANNITY: How about a fence. Can we start there?
NOORANI: So along the border, as you well know, having visited the border 10 times, there are over 21,000 border patrol agents along the border. We're spending billions of dollars...
HANNITY: Build a fence!
HANNITY: A fence worked for Hamas!
HANNITY: A fence worked in Israel!
NOORANI: Do you know where the majority of drugs, guns and money are being smuggled?
HANNITY: We'll do it on the northern border, too!
NOORANI: In the ports of entry along the southern border. So we actually believe that if you're going to spend money along the border, spend it at the ports of entry because...
HANNITY: How about we build a fence? Why would you be against a fence? Why?
NOORANI: That's not where the problem is, Sean.
HANNITY: Excuse me! It's a huge program!
NOORANI: No, but that...
HANNITY: Human trafficking, drug trafficking -- I've been there! I've seen it!
NOORANI: I've seen actually the data, Sean, and the data shows that this is where the problem is. Let's put the money...
HANNITY: No, the data...
HANNITY: Listen, you have ranchers that are literally picking up dead bodies because of human trafficking!
NOORANI: You want to solve that problem. The way to solve that problem is...
HANNITY: Stop illegal immigration!
NOORANI: And the best way to solve illegal immigration is actually to have a legal immigration system so that people are not forced to...
HANNITY: We do have one!
NOORANI: No, Sean...
PAVLICH: Then talk to the president about it!
HANNITY: We actually do. And we don't obey the laws! People don't obey the laws we have! Katie?
PAVLICH: So this is the problem here is we're talking -- we need more border security. Absolutely. The border is not secure as the administration and as administrations prior have claimed. That's the first point.
The second point is we have laws on the books now that are not being enforced! We don't necessarily need more immigration laws. We have them. It is illegal...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's exactly right.
PAVLICH: It is illegal to enter the country without permission. That's the first thing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's exactly right.
PAVLICH: The second thing, it is illegal to harbor illegal aliens inside a city, in your home, anywhere. That is also illegal under federal law.
The problem here is that Washington, D.C., has tied the hands of ICE agents. The ICE union president, Chris Crane, has testified about this multiple times, saying that they have no jurisdiction really anymore when it comes to interior enforcement and taking care of the criminal alien problem in cities across the country, not just in San Francisco or even in sanctuary cities across the country.
And that is the biggest issue. We have laws on the books. We don't need to add more bureaucracy.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sean...
PAVLICH: We just need to enforce what we have.
HANNITY: Joe, I have a question. You're a law enforcement guy...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't buy the premise...
HANNITY: Wait a minute!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... that being an immigrant makes you...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... a criminal or being a sanctuary city protects you from illegal...
HANNITY: Joe, you're a law enforcement guy. You're law enforcement. We have laws on the books! Those laws...
VERONESE: That's right.
HANNITY: Our laws and sovereignty are not being respected! Drugs, human trafficking are flowing into this country! And then we have a president...
VERONESE: I don't disagree with you.
HANNITY: ... that tells -- you don't agree with me?
VERONESE: I don't disagree with you. I don't.
HANNITY: OK, so we have a president...
VERONESE: Which is why I'm saying...
HANNITY: ... the law, and as a result, Americans are dying. Americans are victims of sexual assault by people that have no business being in this country! Why don't we solve the problem and deport those people or put them in jail?
VERONESE: Well, you know, real law enforcement happens on the ground, right? So this is the police officers and sheriff officers. These are the guys that enforce the laws, and the sheriff in this particular stamp (ph) should have taken that guy, and in some instances...
HANNITY: They should have handed him over...
VERONESE: Look, if you talk to former sheriffs...
HANNITY: ... but they don't do that in San Francisco!that's not true.
VERONESE: No, that's not true because...
HANNITY: Yes, it is true!
VERONESE: ... if you talk to former sheriffs, in certain circumstances, that has actually happened to protect the public from crime.
HANNITY: Excuse me! In this particular case, ICE asked that this guy be handed back over, and they didn't do it...
VERONESE: That's right.
HANNITY: ... as they often don't because they're a sanctuary city!
HANNITY: You're making my point!
VERONESE: Often, they don't. But under former -- other sheriffs, that's actually happened in the interest of protecting the public.
HANNITY: So an innocent woman is dead...
HANNITY: An innocent woman is dead!
PAVLICH: Yes. Sean, this is the problem...
HANNITY: ... when you pick and choose which laws you're going to enforce. When you have, you know, discretionary prosecution and you decide who is going to stay and who's going to go and you don't obey the laws of illegal immigration, this is what you get. You get this mixing (ph) of criminal aliens. What kind of crimes have they committed? Are they heinous enough? Who has to die first before we're actually going to...
HANNITY: All right, I got to go.
PAVLICH: ... enforce the law?
HANNITY: Thank you both for -- thank you, all three of you, for being with us.
Coming up -- shocking video, a now former Florida State football player caught on tape punching a woman in the face. His lawyer says he was provoked. You're going to hear from that attorney next.
And then later, a viewer warning. We're going to show you extremely graphic video of a tourist in Cincinnati being beaten bloody by a mob.
Plus, a "Hannity" exclusive. Tonight, you'll meet the Oregon bakers who were fined $135,000. Why? Because they refused to make a cake for a same-sex wedding.
That and more straight ahead.
HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." A shocking security video appears to show now former Florida State University quarterback punching a woman in the fact at a Tallahassee bar. Now, Johnson has been charged with misdemeanor battery, but his attorney says he may have been provoked.
Joining us now is his attorney, Jose Baez, and Florida state attorney who's handling the case, William Meggs, is with us.
Jose, I'm looking at the NBC (ph). I feel I've known you for a long time. And when you say, well, you know, it wasn't until he was -- she struck him twice that he reacted. The woman raised his (sic) fists shouted racial epithets.
I was a little surprised at those comments. I wanted to see if that was what you had really said.
JOSE BAEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY FOR DE'ANDRE JOHNSON: Well, you know, certain things get taken out of context. I never said that he was provoked. I do believe that video clearly shows that he was not the initial aggressor. And that's what I said.
He was struck by the woman prior to him striking her. But I want to be clear, De'Andre has apologized for this entire incident. He believes he should have turned around and walked away. He is regrettable that this thing has ever happened.
And his life has been derailed as a result of it, and he is now owning it. And he's volunteering at a battered women's shelter. And he plans on learning from this experience...
HANNITY: All right, so...
BAEZ: ... and trying to regroup his life.
HANNITY: Walk us through the tape, Jose. I've known you a long time. All right, I'm looking at the tape. It's the beginning here. She's hitting him. You can see that. And then he just -- he hit her back.
HANNITY: I was raised you never hit a woman. You're saying that he now recognizes that was a huge mistake on his part.
BAEZ: Correct. You know, he feels -- well, first of all, no one should be touching or hitting another person, period...
BAEZ: ... whether it's a man or a woman. And you know, we all know 30 percent of the cases that are brought and prosecuted in domestic violence cases are women who are arrested. So it goes both ways.
However, no one should be touching another person against their will. And De'Andre is completely apologetic about t. His football days are over. He is very disappointed about that. He went through a lot of trouble to try and get to FSU and worked very hard to play football there...
HANNITY: All right...
BAEZ: ... and his life is completely derailed as a result of this. He knows that, and he's got to man up to that.
HANNITY: Mr. Meggs, let's go to the university president, John Thrasher. The football coach's decision to dismiss the quarterback (ph), De'Andre Johnson, he said, while it's important to adhere to due process having now seen the physical altercation captured on video, there is no question in my mind that Coach Fisher made the correct decision.
WILLIAM MEGGS, FLORIDA STATE ATTORNEY: Well, I certainly agree with that. The football team has had its share of negative publicity in recent months and years, and this certainly does not add to the reputation of what I would call a very great school.
HANNITY: All right, what do we do in the case, Jose, where -- all right, let's say he did walk away. Would she have gotten in trouble for hitting him? Because you can see that she hit him across the face first. Or is there a different standard? And should there be a different standard?
BAEZ: I think that question is better posed for Mr. Meggs.
HANNITY: Mr. Meggs?
BAEZ: I certainly know that...
MEGGS: Well -- well, I -- you know, obviously, you know, facts sometimes get in the way of people (ph). And one of the things we've done is, we have gone frame by frame with the victim in this case about what did happen. She was being pushed and elbowed long before she raised her fist. She told him to, Get off of me, I was here first, and...
HANNITY: He definitely was holding her before that all started. You're right. So you're saying that his argument, that in fact, what Jose is saying, that it wasn't until she struck him twice that he reacted, you disagree with Jose Baez on that?
MEGGS: She did not strike him at all. She swung at him with a pretty weak left.
HANNITY: She did strike him. It's right there on video. I can see it.
MEGGS: No, she didn't hit him, you know.
HANNITY: Wait, wait, hang on. Right there. Watch the left hand. The girl, she's obviously -- he's holding her back, as you can see. And then if you watch at this moment, there's the left, yes, she did hit him.
MEGGS: Well --
HANNITY: Listen, I was raised you never touch a girl. I had three older sisters. It didn't matter what happened. If I raised my hand to my sisters I was in trouble.
MEGGS: Well, the truth is, is he should have walked away.
HANNITY: Agreed, and Jose agrees with that.
MEGGS: Rather than walking away, after he punches a girl in the nose.
HANNITY: I agree. So what should the charges -- where are going to go in terms of the legal aspect of this, Jose?
JOSE BAEZ, ATTORNEY FOR DE'ANDRE JOHNSON: Well, you know, his life is already been destroyed. Hopefully, it's all about picking it up from here on out. I am certain Mr. Meggs and his office as an excellent reputation. I'm certain that -- I'm hoping the worst of this is behind us and we can somehow resolve this case. And for a positive, to try and turn a negative into a positive, De'Andre is already doing community service. He's trying to make amends for his actions. And I hope that the sacrifices and losses he's incurred is enough.
HANNITY: Mr. Meggs, let me ask you. He's lost his college career. He's been released. He's doing community service. Does that impress you that he's showing contrition and a change of heart?
MEGGS: Well, you know, all the factors come into play. This case has been filed with the court. It will be resolved in one of two ways, either by a plea that is acceptable to the state or by a trial by jury.
HANNITY: What would be an acceptable plea to you?
MEGGS: Well, we haven't even gotten to that stage yet. You know, what we do in these cases is, you know, first off --
HANNITY: You're saying there will be no charges brought against the woman, only the guy in this case?
MEGGS: No, there will be no charges brought against her.
HANNITY: OK. And you feel he was the aggressor and even the punch that she knew is irrelevant to you?
MEGGS: Well, it's part of what she did. He was battering her when she threw the punch.
HANNITY: It looked like he was holding back her hands like he was afraid she was going to hit her. It looks like there may have been history. I don't know if I'm reading into that.
MEGGS: Well, he was holding her left arm before she raised her fist.
HANNITY: That's right.
MEGGS: There's no question about that. There's no question that he was pushing her into the video -- HANNITY: It looked like he was trying to restrain her. Was there a history between these two before this, sir?
MEGGS: None that I'm aware of.
HANNITY: All right, hopefully you will be able to resolve this. Jose, do you want to add something?
BAEZ: No. I just wanted to add the moment she turns around, she turns around with a fist in the air. And the only time -- the very first time De'Andre touches her is to prevent her from hitting him.
And we can batter back and forth over this, but I think what we -- the message we want to send, especially to our young adults, is, you know, one, this shouldn't occur. And both parties should learn from it. And, two, you should try and move on from this experience and teach our youth and hopefully let them grow and make this an educational experience for these young adults. And if we can successfully do that, I think it will ultimately solve the problem. You never solve a problem by putting a Band-Aid on it. You solve it by trying to fix it and educate them.
HANNITY: It's sad to see stuff like this. I got to tell you, it really is. But hopefully Jose, you're right. It can be some good can come out of a very bad situation. Thank you both.
Coming up, a group of young people caught on tape laughing, poking fun at a man who was beaten bloody and left unconscious in Cincinnati over the weekend. We're going to show you that shocking video. That's coming up next. But please be warned, this video is extremely gruesome.
And later tonight, the owners of a bakery who refused to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple, they've been ordered to hand over more than a hundred grand in fines. We'll have the owners for reaction on as this busy night continues on "Hannity."
HANNITY: Welcome back to "Hannity." Shocking new video shows a tourist in Cincinnati being beaten bloody and unconscious, all while onlookers stand around and mock and laugh at this horrific scene and these horrific injuries. Now we've got to warn our viewers and the following footage is very graphic. If you have small children in the room we advise that you let them leave now. Let's take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Out --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Look. Yep.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You OK? You OK? Call 911.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Down. Down.
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HANNITY: Really sick. Now, the reporting officer initially indicated that this may have been the result of a hate crime, stating in the incident report that the beating potentially had anti-white motives. But the Cincinnati Police Department backed away from the claim.
Joining us now with reaction, former LAPD detective Mark Fuhrman and former NYPD detective Bo Dietl. Let's go to the original, Bo, report, hate, bias, yes, anti-white. That's what the original report says. And that was on July 4th. "Multiple subjects jumped on assaulted victim during an unruly crowd situation stemming from an event." Then we go to July 7th. They update the report saying no bias, not applicable here.
BO DIETL, FORMER NYPD DETECTIVE: And also in the report, you see simple assault. The guy had a broken nose. He had a concussion. He had facial bones broken in his cheeks. And that's a felonious assault I think anywhere in America. Now, as far as what I saw the people around him were obviously African-Americans around him. If it was reversal with a black man on the ground with white guys standing around him, you know, Sean, that would have been put down as a bias crime. We may be having a riot today.
HANNITY: I agree. Mark, what is your take on it?
MARK FUHRMAN, FORMER LAPD DETECTIVE: I agree with Bo wholeheartedly. It was a felonious assault. I mean, that was without question. I'm sure as soon as the supervisors, the upper echelon of the Cincinnati Police Department got to work Tuesday morning, they went busy changing this because they didn't want anything to do with an anti-white attack with black suspects.
And Bo is correct. If this was black man on the ground and these were all white people that were beating him and laughing at him and failure -- failing to render any kind of an aid, well, then we would have Al Sharpton in town and we would have a riot. And I suppose the response should be, I guess, if we are seeing the conduct of many of these cities, that there should be a lot of white people right now looting and burning down the town because they're so angered over the treatment of this young man.
HANNITY: But this is so sick, evil, and twisted. Not one person in this crowd which I argue becomes a mob. Look, we have a witness view of the Cincinnati fight taking place. The victim majorly outnumbered, being beaten here. Let's roll the tape if we can at some point. You know, look at this whole thing, being beaten, thrown to the ground. Bo, I mean --
DIETL: Wouldn't you think now with this assault occurring that you would wait -- and happens to be an African-American punching him. I'm seeing it happen before my eyes. Now, wouldn't you think that this case would be given to the detectives, you would first of all, interview the complainant that was beat up. And secondly, were there any racial slurs or anything, statements made while they were beating you up? That's one.
Number two, you would look for other witnesses to interview other witnesses. Then you upgrade it to a bias crime. If in fact they used a rational slur against him it should be a racial crime. If it was the other way around that's exactly what would happen.
HANNITY: Mark, we'll give you the last word.
FUHRMAN: Bo is correct again. There has to be a motive for the crime. If it's not mutual combat, if it's not the victim starting the fight, just exactly what is it? I think what we come down it is a racially motivated crime. And he was beaten and laughed at and he's left there for dead because he was white. And if he was black, the whole scenario would be different.
I just think there's one other thing that we're seeing in this nation. If a young black man does anything, his conduct is never questioned, whether it's criminal, whether it's in a riot, whether it's against a police officer, he is always right. And if he isn't right and he's proven wrong, still his conduct is never questioned.
HANNITY: We have all these people on videotape. Every one of them should be arrested, every single one. And we still have a lot of people in Ferguson, Missouri, that haven't been arrested and we know who they are.
I got to run. Guys, thank you.
When we come back, another example of Christianity under attack. An exclusive interview with the owners of the Oregon bakery who have been fined, get this, over $100,000. Why? They refused to bake a cake for a same-sex wedding. Do they have religious freedom? That's next.
HANNITY: Welcome back to HANNITY. The owners of Sweet Cakes Bakery in Oregon, they were ordered to pay, get this, $135,000 in a fine last week for refusing to bake a wedding cake for a lesbian couple. The state ruled that the owners were discriminating against the couple based on their sexual orientation. Here now with an exclusive interview are the owners of Sweet Cakes Bakery, Aaron and Melissa Klein. Guys, good to see you. How are you?
MELISSA KLEIN, OWNER, SWEET CAKES BY MELISSA BAKERY: Good, how are you?
AARON KLEIN, OWNER, SWEET CAKES BY MELISSA BAKERY: Pretty good, thanks.
HANNITY: Where did sweet cakes come from? You make sweet cakes right?
MELISSA KLEIN: Yes.
HANNITY: How did you pick the name?
MELISSA KLEIN: I honestly don't know. It just popped into my mind, and I thought it was cute.
HANNITY: You guys are married, right?
MELISSA KLEIN: Yes.
AARON KLEIN: Yes.
HANNITY: OK. And how long have you been in business together?
AARON KLEIN: In business together, let's see, it would have been 2006 she first pulled her business license. So it's been a little while.
HANNITY: OK. Now, why did you decide not to bake the cake for this couple?
AARON KLEIN: It was a decision based on our faith. We honestly believe that everything we do is an act of worship. Colossians 3 says whatever you do, do it as an act of worship to God. And in this situation it wasn't about the girls. It was not about anything other than the event. And what it really came down to is I can't dedicate my wife's artistic ability, something that she believes came from God, to doing something that goes against what the Bible says.
MELISSA KLEIN: We actually even, when we opened, right be we opened our shop, we dedicated our bakery to the lord. We had our pastor come out and a group of people, and we prayed. And, you know, because we just wanted everything that we did in our shop to be done to glorify God.
HANNITY: All right, so this is our deeply-held religious conviction. Is that a good way to put it, Melissa?
AARON KLEIN: Yes. Yes.
HANNITY: OK. And church for you doesn't end on Sunday or maybe a Bible study on Wednesday or Thursday, right?
AARON KLEIN: I don't think anybody's beliefs do, really.
HANNITY: Well, some people, we party on Saturday and we pray on Sunday.
(LAUGHTER) HANNITY: But these are your deeply-held beliefs. Do you feel that your First Amendment rights were violated, and how are you going to handle this?
AARON KLEIN: Yes, absolutely. The state already violated our First Amendment rights, not only in freedom of religion but also in freedom of speech in this case. The freedom of religion says that the government cannot compel me to violate my sincerely-held religious beliefs. And the state is saying I have to if I go into business.
HANNITY: So, I got to figure, you've got to make a lot of cakes to get to $135,000. How many cakes would you have to bake to get to that kind of money? I worked in restaurants all my life. There are not big margins in food from my memory. How many cakes do you think you have to bake to make $135,000 to pay that fine? What are you going to do about that?
AARON KLEIN: Well, I mean, the blessing in this situation is the American people have spoken. The American have shown us that they don't agree with this decision. This idea that you can force someone to do something against their religion is not something that they agree with. And we have some crowd funding numbers that are just astronomical and have been such a blessing.
HANNITY: So in other words, people are going to make up the money for you and fund the lawsuit as you move forward what. What is your plan? Do you want to get this to the Supreme Court?
MELISSA KLEIN: We're absolutely going to appeal this. You know, it's, honestly, it's just ridiculous. I mean, $135,000 for politely telling someone I'm sorry. I can't basically participate in your event. It's just, it's mind-blowing.
HANNITY: Let me ask you a question. Would you, what if you knew a couple was having a party, they lived together, which I would assume was against your religious beliefs, too. Would you also deny them a cake for their party?
AARON KLEIN: It's one of those things if we're celebrating sin, we don't want to be a part of it. A birthday cake doesn't celebrate sin. There are many different areas that we would stay away from.
HANNITY: We're going to continue to follow the case. Guys, good to see you. Thank you. Good luck in your cake business. If I'm in town, I'm going to buy a cake.
MELISSA KLEIN: Thank you.
HANNITY: Thank you, both.
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