President Trump vs. the media

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," August 16, 2018. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hi, I'm Greg Gutfeld with Jedediah Bila, Juan Williams, Jesse Watters, and a pillowcase is her parachute, Dana Perino -- "The Five."

Today, 300 newspapers coordinated articles criticizing President Trump just after he had accused them of coordinating articles criticizing President Trump. And nobody read them. If jerks like me weren't talking about it, would you even know? Yes, another public display of the press exercising their right to irrelevance.

Remember when the New York Times ran an editorial saying you should vote for Hillary, and the rest of the media followed? Now, they say Trump is blocking free speech as they all scream this in unison. Trump accuses them of groupthink and they respond with groupthink. Now since the election, the media has been one malfunctioning car alarm: loud, relentless and broken. This after sleeping through Obama's terms, ignoring Iran, the DOJ, the IRS, immigration, while dreaming of Hillary. And now he's gone, their dreams are shattered and now they're wide-awake because Trump is their Red Bull. What phonies.

They gave Trump endless airtime while wringing their hands thinking it was OK because Hillary had it in the pantsuit. But the palooka you propped up wasn't the empty can you thought he was. While mocking Trump nonstop, people stop caring about what you thought. That Red Bull gored your butt. And now, all you can do is blame him for what you help do. And, they say Trump targets all news, not fake news -- which is fake news. They've ignored the clarifications that are obvious to us. No surprise. Remember when one of us would criticize Obama or Hillary, we'd be called a bigot. I remember that like it was yesterday, probably because it was.

You sought to silence opinion through fear and smear, and now you pretend you're the victim. You're not oppressed, just depressed. Get over it.

All right, Jedediah, welcome back to the show.

JEDEDIAH BILA, GUEST CO-HOST: Thank you.

GUTFELD: I know you were in Italy. I hear.

BILA: I was.

GUTFELD: . it's a wonderful place.

BILA: It is.

GUTFELD: That was your honeymoon, was it not?

BILA: It was. I ate enough gelato for all of us.

GUTFELD: Well, I don't see it anywhere, Jedediah.

BILA: It was delicious.

GUTFELD: Oh, fantastic. So.

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BILA: . but I've made it back.

GUTFELD: Is the press speaking truth to power or are they just whining to each other?

BILA: Oh, they're so nauseating. This is why people can't stand the media. It's like -- they say, oh, we had to write this to remind people of the important role that journalists play. If you have to write an editorial to remind people of the important role, maybe you're doing something wrong. There might be a problem. I just think it's so funny because he doesn't criticize freedom of the press. He's not attacking freedom of the press. He's attacking journalists who make it their job to every day go out and with baited breath wait for something to criticize about him. And it's not -- it's not about Donald Trump. They've been doing this to -- they did it to George W. Bush. They did it to Dick Cheney. They did it to Sarah Palin.

The problem is, now they have a guy that calls them out and they don't know what to do about it. And it's so crazy to me that what you said before, the collective is mentality? He's out there saying you guys are all against me. You guys are on a mission to take me out. And they, in response, are saying let's all group together and collectively tell him no. That's the point. You are making his point. Thank you, journalists, again, for making his point. And once again he's not -- I've seen him pay homage to many journalists. He doesn't make a.

GUTFELD: Jesse?

BILA: Jesse gets a lot of love.

JESSE WATTERS, CO-HOST: Journalist Jesse.

BILA: Many people have written books, and he's tired of this. He's tired. And people out there are saying, yeah, you know what, he's tired of it. He's speaking out. We wish other people before him would have spoken out. And when he says stuff like the press is, you know, the enemy, and people are at home saying, you know what, we've been waiting for someone to call this out for so long. Thank you for saying that. It's not the press at large. But when you're out there saying that I'm an objective journalist and you're not, and you're making it your job every day to take down the guy in the White House, somebody should call you out, and I thank you for doing that.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: This is ridiculous. But I -- you know, I mean, to me, when he calls the American press enemy of the American people.

GUTFELD: Thank you.

BILA: Fake news, though.

WILLIAMS: Oh, he never said it now. And then, how about.

GUTFELD: No, he said fake news.

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WILLIAMS: No, he didn't.

GUTFELD: Their tweets, I saw them with these eyes.

WILLIAMS: He said it.

GUTFELD: These beautiful blue eyes.

WILLIAMS: The enemy of the American people. He is threatening even to change the libel laws. We've gone away from briefings at the White House. And you know what? I think it's appropriate for the editorial section of these newspapers, not the news sections, it was the editorial to say, you know what, we're not the enemy of the American people. We are the American people. The American people, in fact, America is founded on the idea of a free, vigorous press.

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GUTFELD: Well, hang on. The legitimate purpose of the press is to be an adversary to people in power and hold them accountable.

GUTFELD: Like they were with Obama.

WILLIAMS: Exactly. They were with Obama.

WATTERS: Come on, Juan.

WILLIAMS: Especially to a guy who lies, and lies, and just say, ah, what the big deal? Yesterday, in talking about John Brennan revoking the security -- he tweets, oh, this was all about protecting national intelligence. And then he turns around tells the Wall Street Journal, which didn't run this editorial, by the way. The Wall Street Journal tells them, oh, yeah, that was about the Russian investigation because he's one of the guys that start. So, somebody has got to be a watchdog and call Trump on his lies, and yet, you guys want to sit here and pretend -- and let me tell you the danger of this, over half of Republicans listening to this now say they agree with Trump.

BILA: But why?

WILLIAMS: And guess what? It invites the threat, this is what one of the paper said, invites the threat of violence against people doing their job which is to report the news.

GUTFELD: The violence against -- what you mean when Anthony went after that reporter. Jesse.

WATTERS: Yes.

GUTFELD: . I'm amazed that now we're demanding that all of our politicians tell the truth. That's incredible to me because.

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WATTERS: Obama lied for a whole year about being able to keep your health care, and no one called him out on that.

WILLIAMS: Oh, no. I've never heard about it.

WATTERS: They've never.

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WATTERS: . position against Barack Obama. They loved Barack Obama. Obama joked about it at the White House Correspondents' Dinner, oh, you guys are my base and everybody laughed and was drinking champagne. Stop pretending like they were tough on Obama. They weren't. They'd have a lot more credibility if every administration that came around, they were this adversarial. But they don't and they're not, and that's the problem because Donald Trump has exposed them as dishonest Democrat party hacks. The media right now are extensions of the Democratic Party. They give him no credit for anything good he does and deny him all credit for anything he does. Everything is framed as something he's done is evil, is wrong, as backwards, and he's not given a fair shake.

So when he says you guys are the enemy of the people, what he's saying is you guys are denying the truth to the American people. You're feeding them spin. You're feeding them dishonest propaganda to help the Democratic Party, and you're not shooting straight. And why they get that so upset is because their credibility rests upon the fact that they pretend to be independent. And when he says you're not independent and you're lying about that, they can't handle it. They can dish it out, but they can't take it.

WILLIAMS: The only thing the king wants is somebody who will adore him, who will honor him, say Donald Trump.

WATTERS: Like when Obama had 90 percent.

WILLIAMS: Get out of here.

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WATTERS: What's the most enchanting thing about being at the White House? Come on.

WILLIAMS: Let's think about this for a second together, America. Number one talk show in America, Rush Limbaugh, so easy on Obama. Number one newspaper in America, Wall Street Journal, so easy on Obama. Number one cable network on America, Fox News, so easy on Obama.

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WILLIAMS: I'm just telling you. You say, so easy.

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GUTFELD: Can I just, like, slow this thing down, everybody, like it's the happy place. Dana, I'm convinced that the -- when the 300 papers did this, it reached at least 300 editors.

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GUTFELD: No one would know about this if I have.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: I'll be slightly contrary in.

GUTFELD: Oh, no.

PERINO: You know I love the -- I love news. I love journalism. I feel like I'm adult enough, mature enough to be able to identify when somebody at a certain other network stands up and makes a story about himself versus something that is amazing. Like, there are some great journalism being done in long formats, in new formats like on podcast. There's some really good stuff. Also, a lot of it doesn't have anything to do with President Trump. There's a lot of good stuff out there, and let a thousand flowers bloom. The first amendment is -- includes the freedom of the press for a reason. I believe in the constitution. I think our Founding Fathers understood that, as we've all been saying, the adversarial relationship is going to be there, but it is the most important thing. I don't mind if they did the editorials. It's fine. And maybe it doesn't have that much of an effect except for maybe to get us riled up. But also, he has gone after the media pretty viciously, sometimes, deservedly. But he likes to call himself a counterpuncher. Well, other people can be counterpunchers too. And if they can counterpunch with an editorial, so be it.

GUTFELD: Yeah. Except that it was a counterpunch by mob. They did it together and they all sound the same. He goes -- it just makes him look better because he's alone. And I still maintain he's talking about fake news, not the whole news. Can we just run what -- you wanted an example, Juan, of the media and how they feel about Trump, and how they're in collusion with the Democratic Party. John Heilemann, take it away. Describe Trump.

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UNINDENTIFIED MALE: I would like a pollster to ask this question, how many people in the Republican Party think it would be OK for Donald Trump to dissolve their own grandparents. I'm virtually certain that if it was a Donald Trump related question, you get like 10 percent that would be, like, Donald Trump, has the power to do whatever he wants, including to kill may parents.

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GUTFELD: Oh, wow. OK.

BILA: Insane.

GUTFELD: That's totally sane, Jedediah.

BILA: The thing is, when the vast majority of the media is opposed to one side on a pretty consistent basis, own it. I feel like they should own it. When people who are saying that they're objective journalists are repeatedly taking one side over another, that's a problem. That is the responsibility of any person with a brain, and a thinking person to come out and say this is not fair and balanced media. That doesn't mean there aren't good journalists. That doesn't mean that journalists aren't supposed to be watchdogs. And that doesn't mean that everyone in the press is terrible. But there is an inherent, consistent, motivated agenda driven bias in much of the media. It's incumbent upon people to call out and acknowledge it. You have to admit that.

WILLIAMS: No, I don't. And, by the way, the example that Greg.

BILA: You have to admit it.

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WILLIAMS: The example that Greg gave us of John -- John Heilemann is not - - there's a journalist. He's there as a commentator and he's offering his opinion in much the way that we do at this table.

GUTFELD: We have never seen anything like that. Listen, Obama would kill your parents if he has the chance.

WILLIAMS: Oh, no. So I won't tell you what we've said on this network about Obama. Let's not get crazy.

WATTERS: Juan, did they have any balance on that panel, by the way?

WILLIAMS: I don't know.

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WATTERS: Was there any Republican on that panel that was saying one nice thing about.

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GUTFELD: John Heilemann is a journalist, believe it or not.

WILLIAMS: Jesse, this is now what the editorial was about. The editorial is about protecting the idea that reporters can go out and do their job, report the news, and they're not the enemy of the American people.

GUTFELD: That was his one giant tantrum. That's all it was.

WATTERS: they've been calling Trump the enemy of minorities, of the constitution, of the rule of law, and of the American.

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WATTERS: . system for the last year and a half. So, Trump then hits back and says no, you're the enemy of the American people. And they say, oh, someone's going to get hurt.

PERINO: Oh, please.

WATTERS: Come on.

BILA: All right. I thought that was quiet.

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GUTFELD: I quite enjoyed it. All right, coming up, President Trump hammers New York Governor Andrew Cuomo for saying that America was never that great.

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WATTERS: New York Governor Andrew Cuomo is doing major damage control after he trashed America with these comments.

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ANDREW CUOMO (D), NEW YORK GOVERNOR: We're not going to make America great again. It was never that great. We have not reached greatness. We will reach greatness when every American is fully engaged. We will reach greatness when discrimination and stereotyping against women, 51 percent of our population, is gone.

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WATTERS: The governor knew he stepped in it big time and quickly issued a clarification saying that America is great, but that it has not yet reached its maximum potential. President Trump had no choice but to fire back, quote, we're not going to make America great again, it was never that great. Can you believe this is the governor of the highest taxed state in the U.S.? Andrew Cuomo having a total meltdown. Juan, I've got to go to yoy. Even you have to admit what the governor of this great state said was pretty bad.

WILLIAMS: No, I don't think it's too bad. But I do think.

WATTERS: You agree with what he said?

WILLIAMS: I think he made a mistake in saying it the way that he said it. But it's not that it's wrong. What is -- the fact is, and I know we all love to discuss the constitution. The fact is, if you go back to the constitution, women couldn't vote. I don't think it's a hundred years since women have been able to vote in this country, Jesse.

WATTERS: Right.

WILLIAMS: Ok.

GUTFELD: But it's funny. It's 2020, that's why they -- well, never mind. I don't want to give you a good answer.

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WILLIAMS: Thank you, Greg.

GUTFELD: No, I've said that's what the Democrats should run on, 2020.

WILLIAMS: OK. And then, I think that, obviously, you had slavery, you know, free thrift human in the constitution. We've had -- we have had amendments to the constitution. We have a country that's gone through some difficult times, everything from Japanese internment, right?

WATTERS: Right.

WILLIAMS: And we've made tremendous progress. The thing about America is, and this is why I think he misspoke.

WATTERS: Right.

WILLIAMS: America is great. And America has long been great because it's a great idea that we can come together, people who believe in political stability, economic opportunity. Oh, Mr. Trump, we believe in free markets. And guess what? That's America. And I think we're still a country evolving, working towards perfection.

WATTERS: Well, you said it a lot better than the governor said it, Juan Cynthia Nixon who is the liberal challenger, actually, said it pretty well when she said he was trying to figure out what a progressive sounds like and missing by a mile. I think she nailed it.

PERINO: So, you said that he had no choice but to backtrack. The only reason he actually backtracked is because there was like an opposition research firm whose goal -- watching all these boring videos of all these possible candidates and they pick it out that then becomes a national news story, and then he backtracked. So it's not like he backtrack right away.

WATTERS: He got caught.

PERINO: Right. And, I think -- the thing is, is if you're nakedly auditioning to be a 2020 Democrat hopeful, you are going to be treated like a candidate. And so, these stories -- remember Romney's 47 percent? These things are going to happen.

WATTERS: How could you forget?

PERINO: I cannot forget. It reminds me of John Kerry, similar thing, in '04, opposition research firms -- or, actually, opposition research guy on the campaign watching these boring videos and says -- sees John Kerry say, you know, the Iraq war, I voted for it before I voted against it. And.

WATTERS: I thought you're going to say when they've caught him windsurfing.

PERINO: That's the same guy, actually. So, I think this all has to do a lot with 2020. It's not just the governor's race.

WATTERS: I think this is going to dog him if he does run in 2020. This is one of those things it's hard to get over.

GUTFELD: I'm a little overwhelmed. I'm used to making fun of Chris Cuomo. Now I've got to do his brother. They need to coordinate their stupidity.

WATTERS: The family had a bad week.

GUTFELD: The family had a bad week. But you know what it was? It wasn't just the 47 percent for that. This is the thing. I agree with Juan. I believe that every single person should have the opportunity to clarify what they've said. But they don't give us that chance. If you screw up on Fox News, you rarely get the opportunity to clarify, whether -- or if you're a politician, like 47 percent, or remember the folders of women?

WATTERS: Binders full of women.

GUTFELD: Binders full of women. We knew what he was talking about, but he never got the opportunity to clarify. So, Juan eloquently helped Cuomo clarify what he was trying to say, even though we know that -- would we ever be afforded that opportunity? I don't think so. I want everybody to get a chance to clarify something stupid they've said immediately or a few days after. But I don't think they'll ever let us have that, so why should I let him have it? That's my challenge, to be more Christ-like.

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WATTERS: That's what I think of when I think of our savior. Jedediah, what do you think?

BILA: Yeah. I mean -- I think, unfortunately, his original sentiment is a sentiment that you hear a lot in New York City in places. Yeah, I've heard many people I know in New York say, oh, America is not that great, you know. You know, go live in Europe. It's better over there, or we have a long way to go. And he's used to having to appeal to New Yorkers. He forgets that if you're thinking about a bigger race, you're going to have to appeal to the rest of the country. So the way Juan said it is the way that somebody could go run for president. The way he said it is the way he thinks he's going to appeal to a very, very left-wing base in New York. So I think that was a big mistake that he made, which he tried to correct. I don't know.

WATTERS: I think the Republican Party in New York bought him a bus ticket to go to Canada. That was their response about that. I think it's very sensitive when you talk about America and having it be great or not great. I don't think that looks great on a bumper sticker to say.

GUTFELD: Not so great?

WATTERS: America is not so great.

PERINO: It's interesting there is -- you know, there is a Republican candidate running for governor. We tend to think if you live in New York that it's just between Cuomo and Cynthia Nixon who are running for the Democratic candidacy, but Mark Molinaro is the Republican candidate. So there is an alternative out there. That is a person -- you want to talk about media bias? That guy doesn't get any attention.

GUTFELD: That's so true. And he should take advantage of this and take advantage of the other Nixon.

BILA: Some of the people -- it's interesting to me, also, that are defending Cuomo are the same people that hated on Trump's campaign slogan, make America great again. They say, oh, Trump -- we hate Trump for saying that because America was already great. And now somehow they've twisted and contorted to defend Cuomo's remarks.

WATTERS: And didn't you point out yesterday that his father, Mario, had a similar slogan, make America great again when he was running back in the day.

PERINO: Much more eloquently.

WATTERS: Much more eloquently.

PERINO: . than his son.

WATTERS: All right. Well, the Cuomo brothers need to take advice from The Five, just be more eloquent, all right?

GUTFELD: Let's get after it.

WATTERS: President Trump has a big league plan to stop the Democrats in the midterms. Find out, ahead.

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WILLIAMS: President Trump has a plan to de-energize the Democrats before November's midterm elections. Hit the campaign trail and hit it hard. He told the Wall Street Journal, quote, I think the Democrats give up when I turn up. If you want to know the truth, I don't think it energizes them. I think it de-energizes them. I think they give up when I turn out. The president saying in the same interview that he's planning up to -- and this is a quote, 50 stops to ensure that the Republicans keep the house. Dana, I just wanted to ask you about -- I can think of three examples where he hit the trail hard. Alabama senate would be number one, right? Pennsylvania 18, would be another. I think out California there was.

PERINO: Maybe one. But, look, he's got a pretty good track record. It's like 8 out of 10 in special races.

WILLIAMS: Right, but it's with Republicans.

PERINO: Right, right. Well, that's OK. And I think that -- look, he's willing to go out there and help. He said he's going to do 50 stops. He said he'll work six to seven days a week. You know, if you're a Republican running for office and you want President Trump to help turn out your base, like you're begging for him to come there. There will be some districts that it won't make sense for him to go to. And I don't think he'll take offense at that. I think he'll say fine. Like, send where I can be the most helpful. I also believe -- yeah, he could be right that Democrats -- or that his turnout capabilities would swamp the Democrats. However, I do think that Republicans should really make a concerted effort, if they are thinking clearly, on get out the vote efforts. Like, the television ads not as important. Democrats are out there registering a ton of new voters. New voters are very enthusiastic. They're out there -- they're going to show up no matter what. And if the Democrats have more than Republicans, they're going to win.

WILLIAMS: In fact, that's a great plan. I think, this week, we saw that in Vermont and Wisconsin.

WATTERS: And Minnesota.

WILLIAMS: High turnout among the Democrats, Jesse.

WATTERS: Yeah, it's a base election. And I think he's trash talking here. But he's also making it about himself. This is going to be a referendum on Donald Trump. He wants it that way. He's begging for it. He's egging the Democrats on. I'm not necessarily sure if I believe that when he goes in he's gonna fire up the right, but I'm not so sure he's not going to fire up the left. I think he's going to fire up the left. So, I agree with Dana. They have to turn out the vote and turn it out hard and spend a lot of money. He's going to spend 50 stops. Do you know how many stops that is? He's going to be on TV all the time.

In some districts, that's really going to work because it's going to raise money for people. It's going to energize people. But at the same time, he's going to give the other side a lot of fodder. Right now, I think the congressional generic ballot on the Real Clear Politics averages only about 4.8 percent. That does not indicate a blue wave at all. So we're still in the territory of the Democrats picking up may be 15 seats. That's not enough to win back the house. But anything could happen. You can have the Mueller's stuff come out. You could have a trade deal fall through or come through. There's a lot of time between now and November.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: What do you think the message is from President Trump on the campaign trail, Jedediah?

JEDEDIAH BILA, CO-HOST: The economy. I think if he's smart, he'll focus on the economy and, you know, the jobs numbers and the things that have been good. You know, the lessening of regulation that cripples businesses.

And I think that's a challenge for Democrats, the economy. Because how do you run against something that's working? You have to find some creative way to say let's go in this direction, even though the direction that we're in right now is helping a lot of people. So that's a challenge.

WILLIAMS: Let me interrupt and say that the polls say that the economy is not a big issue for voters, not a principal concern. But I suspect -- and so here comes your biased moderator -- that President Trump is going to say, "Those immigrants. They're all members of MS-13. And we've got to build that wall," and "lock her up" and all the rest.

BILA: Well, I think he's going to talk about border security, for sure. That's something that the base wants to hear.

But -- and I think the weakness here, look, Democrats need a positive message. I think the strength of Trump is that he's going to go in and he's going to talk about things that he said that he was going to do and that he has actually done.

And Democrats are going to have to respond with something. I do think they're going to be excited seeing Trump out there, because the Democrats like to run against something.

WATTERS: Yes, they're not going to respond with anything positive. They're just going to say, "We hate Trump. We have to stop Trump." That's it.

BILA: Right. Exactly. But I do think they'll be revved up, so I think that will be a challenge, and I don't think Republicans should be complacent.

WILLIAMS: You know, I'm not allowed to give advice on this network to President Trump, but my guru is you, Greg.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: I think, for people who hate Trump, the positive message is they're not Trump. So that will be their positive. And I don't think they get deenergized. I think they get energized when they see him. They get reanimated.

And I think that it's like a hurricane. It's like Hurricane Harvey or Hurricane Katrina. All hands on deck. Everybody pitch in. Because I think he reminds them of everything that happened.

So I disagree with him. I think he has -- he has an energizing effect on the left. He doesn't encourage complacency.

WILLIAMS: So what would you advise him to do?

GUTFELD: I would actually advise -- use the same advice as this young woman here to my right said, which is get out the vote. Get out the vote. Do not get complacent. Don't think this is going to be -- I'm not as optimistic as Jesse is. I think there'll be more seats to be lost, because --

WATTERS: It's going to be razor-thin.

GUTFELD: A lot of people aren't running. A lot of people aren't running again.

PERINO: There are about -- there are a lot of toss-up seats. Right? There are probably, like, 35 right now. That's a lot of toss-ups. So if the generic ballot is whatever, Republicans will do pretty well.

One of the things President Trump will have to do is you kind of have to scare your base into turning out.

BILA: Yes.

PERINO: So it's not just talking about immigration, but it's that if Nancy Pelosi is back in the speaker's chair, you can bet they're going to try to pass through -- they're going to take away your tax cuts. The job numbers are going to go down. Scaring your base that way works on the left, as well.

WATTERS: He's going to go negative hard really late.

WILLIAMS: Yes?

WATTERS: Yes.

WILLIAMS: Because I think we've got socialists. You know? Somebody's --

WATTERS: Just wait until October, Juan.

GUTFELD: Wait, do we have another segment on Trump?

WILLIAMS: No. No more.

GUTFELD: Only three.

WILLIAMS: Hey, you know, your kids are going to love this next story. So stay tuned, because I have a question for you. Is it good for them when one school district says let's cut back on the time spent in the classroom? On "The Five" next.

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PERINO: Where was this when we were growing up? A school district in Colorado, where I went to school, is cutting its week to four days, officially slashing Mondays off the calendar in a move designed to cut costs and attract teachers.

Some parents are concerned by the move, and the district is offering child care available for children 12 and younger for $30 a day. Several school districts in Oklahoma, Montana, and Oregon have also reportedly made the change.

Juan, students in elementary school would start their day at 7:50 a.m. and leave at 3:30. Middle and high school students arriving at 8:30 and not leaving until 4:30 p.m. What do you think of this idea?

WILLIAMS: Well, one, I think young people really need to sleep more. So getting up that early, I think is kind of crazy. I wish people were more sensitive to it, because I think kids would learn more if they had a chance to get a good night's sleep.

But the second thing to say is, when I was looking at this, Dana, I noticed that it's a lot out west. Colorado, Montana --

PERINO: Yes.

WILLIAMS: -- Oklahoma, Oregon. So I think this is different than big cities like the one we're in, New York, or even Chicago, L.A., because there you have a larger population of poor kids, and when they're out of school, that means they're not getting fed. And their attention span and levels of dysfunction in terms of everything from the neighborhood violence to families. I think it affects kids. I think school is an important moderating influence on so many young people's lives. I'm a big fan of school.

PERINO: Most of this is due to finances, Greg. They're trying to figure out ways to save some money for the district. And they also have a teacher shortage, because there's been so much population growth.

GUTFELD: Well, I think this is great. It's an extra day to play video games and get high.

WATTERS: Oh!

GUTFELD: I'm talking about the teachers. I'm talking about the teachers. Because remember, the teachers -- people forget how young teachers are.

PERINO: Yes.

GUTFELD: Teachers play video games now. They're, like, in their 20s. I mean, but anyway. They should -- I think this is all about choices. It depends what you do with the day off. If you, you know, steal a car and go to Las Vegas, that's a bad choice.

However, maybe if you are required to pursue something that prepares you for life, like that extra day, you take courses in -- in robotics.

PERINO: Or sports.

GUTFELD: Or sports or acting and music courses, things that give you more culture. Robotics. Discipline.

PERINO: All of these things are great.

Jesse, your parents are educators. And I wonder what you would think. You grew up in a house talking about these things. But it's also a little bit about the financial thing, because all of those great camps and things that you're talking about cost money.

WATTERS: That, too.

GUTFELD: Not mine.

WATTERS: And if you have parents that are working and your child is off on Friday, who's going to take care of that child? They're going to run wild.

GUTFELD: A whole new industry of taking care of kids.

WATTERS: OK. You're not in charge of that.

GUTFELD: It's called the 20 Percent Club.

WATTERS: OK. So also, we're competing globally against the Chinese, against the European Union, against everybody. And these students are doing great. They're reading, they're writing, they're applying to colleges. Their test scores are out of this world. And a lot of students in this country are struggling with basic mathematics and reading comprehension.

So I want our students to be as competitive as possible globally, because everyone is fighting for talent. And an extra day in school is great, but I do agree with Juan. Kids are getting up way too early in the morning.

PERINO: Yes. What do you think Jedediah?

BILA: I've taught middle school and high school, and 8:30 to 4:30 is too long of a day for these kids. And the school day doesn't end at 4:30.

PERINO: No, you've got to go home and do homework.

BILA: They have homework. They have activities. And if you have one activity after school, they have private tutors that they do after school.

So -- and what's going to happen to teachers is at the end the day, that last period of the day, teachers are going to have kids that aren't paying attention. They're going to stick a movie on. It's going to be like a holiday, because they're not going to know what else to do.

So they think they're getting a good deal by having that Friday off or one day a week off and, in fact, it's going to become torture. And I think it's going to be -- I think it is a recruitment device for teachers.

PERINO: Yes.

BILA: Because they see that and they say OK, you know what? Four days a week. But it's ultimately going to make their job harder.

PERINO: I also wonder if it will push some businesses to allow parents to do a four-day work week so that you could be home on the Monday, or work from home or have some flexibility. The market might work it out.

WATTERS: Are returning into France? I mean, four-day work week? Come on, Dana. This is America. We don't take vacations in this country, we're too afraid of getting fired.

WILLIAMS: You know what? It's interesting, though. I think that they're going to say to the kids, "On that day you are expected to take computerized lessons." And then I don't know what that does to the teachers, Jedediah, because it might put some teachers eventually out of business.

GUTFELD: That's where we are going. I think we're -- we're heading towards four days, possibly three days when everything's animated and A.I. runs everything. We're going to be doing very little of anything --

PERINO: Right.

GUTFELD: -- except just sitting and having the robots take care of us.

BILA: You've got to fight your robot revolution. Every last --

GUTFELD: Robots love me.

PERINO: All right. A flight turns back midway through its seven-hour journey. And the reason why? We'll flush out those details next.

GUTFELD: Good one.

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BILA: We all know the pain of a really long flight. But can you imagine it being turned around about three hours and all because of a stupid broken toilet? Greg.

New York passengers' hopes of getting to France went down the drain this week after their seven-hour flight got turned around halfway through, all because someone apparently flushed the wrong thing down the can.

Bravo's Andy Cohen was among the angry passengers.

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ANDY COHEN, BRAVO HOST: Somewhere amongst these people is the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) who shoved a large blunt object down the toilet of our flight yesterday that forced us to come back to JFK.

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BILA: Wow. The reason for flying all the way back to the states was reportedly because it would be easier to fix the toilet here.

All right, Greg, I know I'm going to regret this question in a very short period of time, but what could somebody have put down a toilet on an airplane to cause this fiasco?

GUTFELD: Let me check my list.

BILA: What did you do, in other words.

GUTFELD: They are the No. 2 airline.

Here's the deal. This is the problem. The impact of such decisions are different for passengers than it is for the company or the plane. You've got your vacation planned. You've packed. You're at the airport for hours. You're stressed out. You're looking forward to where you're going.

And then they turn the plane around, and that impact is brutal to you, but you're not dead. But it feels different for the airline. When they make that decision, they're still on the job. It's just no -- they're not going to lose any money. They go back to work. The flight attendant, everybody is working.

It's like when we are doing "The Five," and we get preempted by a hearing. We just sit. It doesn't bother us. But the viewers at home are like, "Damn it! I wanted to watch 'The Five'! I thought I was going to get 'The Five' today, and I'm watching the stupid hearing." But we're sitting here saying we're still getting paid. That's exactly what happens with the airlines, is that they just -- they don't see how much this matters. They probably could have just taken a poll and said we'll take a vote. You guys have one less toilet. Are you OK with it? Everybody would've been OK except for the guy who just had two tacos.

BILA: Right. I'm not the best flyer. In fact, I just got back from Italy last night. Eight hours. After the fourth hour, I'm pacing. I'm going crazy.

What would you do? I would go insane if this happened to me. Would you go crazy or would you just accept it, take a nap?

WILLIAMS: It's infuriating, but I mean, this is typical. You know, the airlines do things like let you sit on the tarmac and say, "We can't go back to the terminal, because you know, it's quicker for us when we get the OK to fly if we don't have to reload the passengers. You think, yes, but that's three hours from now and you're three hours into it. People are jamming up the toilets, and everybody's upset.

GUTFELD: Yes.

WATTERS: And they're still sitting there saying, well, but if we -- You're not -- you're not living like a passenger. You're thinking like a corporation.

GUTFELD: Right.

WATTERS: See what I would do, I'd get the air marshal involved. That's why you have air marshals. You --

GUTFELD: That's not why. Nine-eleven was for the air marshals.

WATTERS: No, no. This is also in their job description. You take note of who went back from the chair to the bathroom. You isolate those people, right? Once they're isolated, you start turning the screws. You interrogate them. You narrow it down. You find out who's responsible.

Then, if you have to turn around, you take severe vengeance on this individual, so at least you feel better that there's repercussions, and the guilty man has been punished.

BILA: I would be the person recording the whole thing with my phone and posting it on Facebook immediately. You would get a new television show out of that if you did that.

GUTFELD: It would be called "Taken with Jesse Watters."

BILA: Now Dana, you sent me a message today about, people were complained that delta refused to help with three booking the flight.

PERINO: it's outrageous. So Peter is very adamant that everyone knows their rights when it comes to the airlines.

WATTERS: Passenger Bill of Rights.

PERINO: Passenger Bill of Rights. That any time this happens to you, if it's -- unless it's weather or terrorism, the airline is legally obliged to get you on the next available flight, even if that's another airline.

GUTFELD: Yes, that's important.

PERINO: Also you are supposed to pay for your hotel. And the ticket. He wants everyone to know that she writes.

WATTERS: He gets the sixth man award here on the show. Love that guy.

BILA: Wow. All right, guys. "One More Thing" is coming up next.

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GUTFELD: Time for "One More Thing" -- Juan.

WILLIAMS: Take a listen to this, America.

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ARETHA FRANKLIN, SINGER (singing): R-E-S-P-E-C-T find out what it means to me R-E-S-P-E-C-T.

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WILLIAMS: Yes, R-E-S-P-E-C-T. That's what America has given Aretha franklin. She died today, age 76.

Aretha has literally been a part of America's soundtrack since the 1960s. She got her start singing gospel, which led to her being the first woman inducted into the Rock 'N' Roll Hall of Fame. One of my favorite Aretha songs. Here she is singing one of my favorites It's written by Carol King.

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FRANKLIN (singing): You make me feel like a natural woman.

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WILLIAMS: I met her after she sang "My Country Tis of Thee" at President Obama's inaugural. By the way, what most people remember from that day was her hat.

Her voice was one for the ages. Rest in peace, Aretha. Your voice will never die.

PERINO: Great. Jesse.

WATTERS: You know when you're going to the vending machines, you're just trying to get something to eat. And you want to get something healthy, you know? And there's nothing in there that's healthy. Maybe peanuts, maybe a granola bar. Chicago has the solution. Chicago is doing salad vending machines.

GUTFELD: Oh, my gosh.

WATTERS: OK. For about eight dollars, you can throw in for a salad, fresh salad at vending machines. They're called Farmer's Fridge. They're blowing up all over Chicago. People love them. One million salads have been sold through salad vending machines in the very healthy city of Chicago.

PERINO: I bought one in O'Hare Airport.

WATTERS: Are they any good? You would buy one.

PERINO: I would.

WATTERS: They were made for people like you. Not for Greg and I.

PERINO: I had a connecting flight going through Chicago. And I thought I don't want to eat anything -- I've been eating junk all day. And there it was right by my gate.

WATTERS: Beautiful.

GUTFELD: Great story. You know, you should collect a story of these, of things you buy at airports. Yes, things you eat.

PERINO: "I'll Tell You What" podcast.

GUTFELD: Leave it for the last chapter so it builds up.

PERINO: OK, great. Thanks for the tip. You're a best-selling author.

All right. Guess what it's time for?

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GRAPHIC: "Dana's Corny Jokes."

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OK. These are all music related.

WATTERS: Oh, great.

PERINO: Question No. 1, Why did Adele cross the road? Why did Adele cross the road? To say hello from the other side.

WILLIAMS: Look at that.

GUTFELD: Boy. You didn't do it.

PERINO: Where did the music teacher leave her keys?

WATTERS: In the piano.

PERINO: Yes, in the piano. Very good.

OK. What is the most musical part of a turkey? The most musical part of a turkey.

WATTERS: The wishbone.

PERINO: Close.

GUTFELD: The trombone.

PERINO: No, the drumstick.

GUTFELD: There is a part called the trombone.

PERINO: OK. I'm expecting somebody to get this. What did Jay-Z call his wife before they got married? What did Jay-Z call his wife before they got married?

WATTERS: Beyonce fiance.

PERINO: Fiance.

GUTFELD: Well done.

WILLIAMS: Way to go, Jesse.

WATTERS: I'm smarter than I look.

GUTFELD: It's a low bar.

WATTERS: Come on. You love the hair.

GUTFELD: I love the hair, I love the hair.

You know, let's do this.

GRAPHIC: Greg's Travel Tips.

GUTFELD: "Greg's Travel Tips." You know, I was flying a lot for my book tour. For my No. 1, with a zero after it, best seller. No. 10. Anyway, it's very hard to sleep in a plane when you have a seat that doesn't recline or it's not a first-class or business class seat.

So I filmed myself and showed you the proper way to fall asleep on a plane. Let's take a look at this. Here I am.

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(HEDGEHOG FALLING ASLEEP)

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GUTFELD: This is how you usually arch your side. You can see, just sitting there like that, this is how everybody falls asleep on a plane.

WATTERS: Yes. Hunched.

PERINO: Do you have one of those little pillows that you lay over?

GUTFELD: No. I --

WATTERS: Have you ever had someone like that fall asleep on your shoulder?

GUTFELD: Yes.

WATTERS: What do you do?

GUTFELD: Look at him. Look at him. Isn't he great?

PERINO: Yes, that's really great video, Greg.

GUTFELD: It's fantastic. It's fantastic video. It's a hedgehog falling asleep. Look, I dare you to find this on any news program.

WATTERS: There's a reason for that.

GUTFELD: Anyway. Jedediah.

BILA: Gosh, yes. I have a video that's going to melt your heart. It melted mine. From the FFT Animal Sanctuary in Morocco. And it features some of their wheelchair-dependent rescues playing a game of tag. Look at these rescues. They have the zest for life.

PERINO: So cute.

BILA: We should only have such a zest for life as they have.

Now, this sanctuary is amazing. They're home to over 500 animals. It's a no-kill sanctuary. They take in cats and dogs who need special medical attention that have amputated limbs.

And I just saw this, and I was, like, "Wow, how do these animals manage to just" -- you know, they go on. They're happy. This is why I love animals more than people.

GUTFELD: Do you know, they don't remember. It's like their minds, they just get on -- they get after it, Jed. They don't think about it.

BILA: You relate to this?

GUTFELD: Animals, after they have an injury, it's like they never had it. They never had it.

BILA: It's true. And you can donate, actually. I want to give the information. You can donate to the shelter. Their website if FFTMorocco.org/donate. These no-kill shelters are amazing. The work that they do. It's just life-changing for these animals.

WILLIAMS: I guess you -- I guess you own a dog.

BILA: I do have a dog, and I'm going to get another dog, which by the way, Greg, I'm going to take on the airplane as a --

GUTFELD: I know you're running --

PERINO: You just ruined your chances.

GUTFELD: You're running a scam. All right, set your DVRs. Never miss an episode of "The Five." When it comes to news, he's on a tear. He's our man, Bret Baier.

BRET BAIER, FOX NEWS: I get that you know my name, but the rhymes are getting pretty lame. Thanks, Greg.

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