President Trump vs. the FBI

This is a rush transcript from "Special Report," December 25, 2017. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.


SEN. BEN CARDIN, D-MARYLAND: I think it is critically important that we
respect the independence of the Department of Justice and the FBI. No one
is above the law. Let Mr. Mueller do his investigation without
interference from the president.

faith and confidence in the Department of Justice and the FBI knowing there
should be no bias there. He is making the point that we need to make sure
there is no bias.

REP. JERROLD NADLER, D-N.Y.: The essence of police work, the essence
of our executive branch is you can have private opinions and do your work
unbiased. If you want to say that there was something wrong with the
investigation by Mr. Mueller and others, you are entitled to say that, but
you have to show some evidence of bias at work.


DOUG MCKELWAY: While many of you are busy with perhaps some last-minute
shopping or picking up relatives at the airport or wrapping presents, the
president was busy tweeting right up until Christmas Eve on the what he
believes is a compromised FBI investigation.

Let's take a look at the series of tweets that the president issued on
those days. First of all, "How can FBI Director Andrew McCabe, the man in
charge, along with leaking James Comey of the phony Hillary Clinton
investigation, including her 33,000 illegally deleted emails, be given
$700,000 for wife's campaign by Clinton puppets during the investigation?"
And another here, "FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe is racing the clock to
retire with full benefits. 90 days to go?!!!" "And another, "Wow, FBI
lawyer James Baker reassigned according to Fox News." And lastly, "Fox
News, FBI's Andrew McCabe, quote, "in addition to his wife getting all of
this money from M, (Clinton puppet)," Terry McAuliffe he's referring to
there, "he was using allegedly his FBI official email account to promote
her campaign. You obviously cannot do this. These were the people who
were investigating Hillary Clinton."

Let's bring in our panel now, Daniel Halper, contributing editor to "The
Washington Free Beacon," Charles Lane, opinion writer for the "Washington
Post," and Tom Rogan, commentary writer for "The Washington Examiner."
Chuck, let's start with you. A lot of people say it is not wise to be
tweeting this when you are under investigation.

would say it's especially unwise because of the tone it sets, I am sounding
like a broken record, for the president of the United States. It's not the
kind of language a president uses in general, much less when discussing a
criminal investigation.

The bigger problem here, and I think it was foreseeable, there is no
authority in America given our polarized politics, given how partisan
everyone is about everything, there is no authority in America who is going
to be generally accepted as capable of doing an objective job on this
matter. Mueller seemed to be the closest thing we had and he came in with
a lot of support even from Republicans. And now that seems to be going
away in part because there is such a strong effort to discredit him on the
one hand from Republicans, and also, I regret to say, unwisely, some of the
people working for him were saying things privately that suggests they have
an animus against President Trump.

MCKELWAY: Indeed. Daniel, that seems to be the case there, and this goes
beyond, in many of these examples that we have seen, beyond mere political
leanings into political activism of an extreme sort.

DANIEL HALPER, WASHINGTON FREE BEACON: There is clearly evidence of
that. We have text messages, we have relationships. There is insight into
that. And there seems to me to be three possibilities here. There is
either rank corruption within the FBI, which some are suggesting, or at
least some sort of ineptness. There's a -- either the president is trying
to work the refs, or there's some combination of the two. And it seems to
me that's the most likely outcome, rather. There are people who aren't
acting appropriately, and yet the president who himself is under
investigation via the special counsel is not focusing on himself per se but
plenty of people around him, and he's clearly concerned that it will touch
him, is clearly trying to work it in a way that may sour the outcome or may
help the outcome in this case.

MCKELWAY: And Tom Rogan, just an example of the dangers of this kind of
tweet, I'm going to read this tweet from Ted Lieu who said "@POTUS has
tweeted quite a bit about career FBI official Andrew McCabe who could be
called as a witness against Trump in an obstruction of justice case.
Trump's twitter feed is the gift that keeps on giving. Merry Christmas
Robert Mueller."

TOM ROGAN, COLUMNIST, NATIONAL REVIEW: I don't think obstruction of
justice is going to do anything bad for the president. I think if it comes
to it, it will be in the position of Russian funny money and links to the
Trump organization.

But I do think on this issue there clearly have been mistakes, and Deputy
Director McCabe in hindsight probably should have recused himself in terms
of that connection point, in terms of money and politics. I suspect the
reason now that he seems to be stepping down is to try to insulate his
organization from the pressure. But I think that there's a good point that
the president of the United States, the exceptionalism of American
democracy right back to the founders is the credible independence of the
judiciary and the coequal branches of the government. The president is the
chief executive of the United States. As someone who lives in his own
power and confidence, he does no service to the nation that should be
serving or to his own personal credibility as a leader by being quite so
visceral and quite so broad-based in his criticisms of this agency.

MCKELWAY: How compromised is the investigation given this political
activism? Impeachment, should it come to it, is an innately political
thing. Is there any recourse that the course could have in an impeachment

LANE: Well, look, the founders of the country never envisioned prosecution
and investigation by this kind of organization of the president. They
thought wrongdoing by the president would be taken care of in Congress
through the means of impeachment. We're a long way from that.

I think the threat to our democracy, if there is one in all of this, there
are many, one that worries me a lot is the shear politicization of this
semi-clandestine national investigative police that we have called the FBI.
The bane of every society in the 20th century has been a partisan secret
police or a partisan national police force. That's what has brought down,
destroyed democracy in many countries. And we are dangerously, I think
dangerously near a situation where all partisanship of all kinds is
starting to creep into the FBI and organizations like that.

MCKELWAY: And before we leave this segment, I just want to alert that the
president has tweeted again in the last few moments. "I hope everyone," he
says, "is having a great Christmas, then tomorrow it's back to work in
order to make America great again which is happening faster than anyone
anticipated!" This evening, the Trumps are providing hundreds of Christmas
meals to the Secret Service, the White House military office, and Palm
Beach sheriff's deputies.

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