President Obama's foreign policy in 'free-fall'?

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," February 2, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Eric Bolling and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is The Five.

The Middle East is on fire from Yemen to Iraq to Syria and beyond, and as the region descends into chaos, so is President Obama's foreign policy, according to his former ambassador to Iraq. James Jeffrey sums it up with these seven words, "Were in a G-D (ph) free fall here. A Mideast term while lies Iran and the administration maybe, caving to its demands in order to strike a nuke deal, but we should be very wary, according to another one of the president's former aides.


LEON PANETTA, AUTHOR, WORTHY FIGHTS: One thing I have learned both at the CIA and the Secretary of Defense is that the Iranians can't be trusted. And the, it's for that reason, that we have to make sure that we've taken strong steps to be able to make sure that they are not trying to do something in secret.


PERINO: The deal the U.S. is considering now, would actually allow Iran to run hundreds of centrifuges at a secret underground facility. Kimberly, let's start with you.


PERINO: So, James Jeffrey, I have an opportunity to serve with him in a bit (ph) White House.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. You know him well.

PERINO: He is a guy who has received the Secretary of State's distinguished service award twice in 2010 and 2012. This is under the Obama administration. In addition, he has done, I could go down his resume but, I mention that because, this is not someone who has some sort of political ambition. He cares about the region. He is worried about it. Do you think that the administration would listen to someone like that?

GUILFOYLE: Well, you would think they would, that they don't listen to the other advisers and military advisers that are telling him exactly what's going on. They seem to want to just turn -- you know a blind eye and a deaf ear to it, despite the strong evidence to the contrary, they seem to be wholeheartedly unpersuadable. Blissfully ignorant, but if you listen to a man like this, who is quite accomplished, has had a number of -- has worked on both sides of the aisle, right? For George W. Bush, has worked and served under President Obama, this is somebody with no partisan, you know, hat in the game. He is just calling it like he sees because, he was over there and he was in the theater so he understands the complexity and now, a deteriorating situation in the Middle East, they should listen.

PERINO: Another thing that illustrates that, we heard today from Richard Engel, he is MSNBC foreign correspondent. Listen to what he says happened, when the United States was caught unaware about operations in Yemen.


RICHARD ENGEL, MSNBC FOREIGN CORRESPONDENT: Senior officials who would have been expected to know that there was going to be an operation in Yemen, they didn't. They were finding out about it, almost in real time. And they believe and some, some U.S. members of the Congress believe, that the reason Saudi Arabia and other states didn't tell the U.S. that it was going to launch this war against Shiite pact or Iranian backed rebels in Yemen, is because Saudi Arabia and other countries simply don't trust the United States anymore, don't trust this administration, think the administration is working to befriend Iran, to try to make a deal in Switzerland and therefore, didn't feel that the intelligence frankly, would be secure.


PERINO: I find it remarkable Greg, because what he is saying is basically the Saudis believed that, if they told the United States about their operations in Yemen, that the first thing the USA would do would, will not be to back them, but back channel a message to the Iranians.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: This is an interesting point, because the Obama administration has backed the wrong people all the time. If you look at the Arab spring, what they did with Iran. What they did with -- they backed in Egypt, the Muslim brotherhood, which is like rooting for the storm troopers from Star Wars, it makes no sense to me. It's almost like they are doing this on purpose, there was another thing that you brought up and it was about this deal, that somehow they can build up as long as it is in a secret facility --

PERINO: Right. The underground facility called Fort (inaudible) and they say it is for civilian purposes which we -- one, with there is no need for them to have it, but also, part of the thing that started this negotiation was to say that, if you are going to do this, you have to do it in the open.


PERINO: Now we're caving to a demand by the Iranians to say no, you can do it under --

GUTFELD: That's my point. That's not a deal if you say you can do it in secret. That is the opposite of a deal. This foreign policy, the Iranian -- this Iran deal is the equivalent of Obamacare, and that no one is going to see anything until it is passed, and passed is the appropriate term, because it is a load of poop.

GUILFOYLE: I knew it.

GUTFELD: The thing about is, everything that President Obama does in order to achieve his means is, at night, the dead of night, because he cannot survive sun light. We didn't know anything about Bowe Bergdahl. It just kind of happened, and that's, that's the way he does things, is he has to do it in secret, because no one in their right mind would be for it. He wants, he wants once again, to marginalize the United States turn a Chevy Tahoe into a Prius.

PERINO: If there is a deal, you actually may not see it anyway, because the British are reporting today that, what might result is an unwritten narrative. Basically, it's like, the game of telephone?

GUILFOYLE: Terrible.


PERINO: Like so, that we -- like before Gutenberg press, like you would tell stories and make deals, it's like, I'm going to tell you and you going to tell me and we are going to pass it on to our children.

GUTFELD: Why is it that people who want to change the world can't even change a tire?

PERINO: Good question.

GUILFOYLE: Shocking.

PERINO: Let me read something to you Eric.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: They can -- because they are installers (ph). They can --


BOLLING: They can tell you how to change tire.

GUILFOYLE: You came up with an answer.


BOLLING: They can write about changing a tire, but they can't actually change --

PERINO: They could pay --

BOLLING: Because they've never really change a tire.

PERINO: And they can afford to pay someone who will change their tire.

BOLLING: And they can pay someone to -- right.

GUTFELD: How I do it.

PERINO: Can I read somebody -- read this to you Eric, your reaction. Because, there's an article in POLITICO with the senior administration official from the State Department, explaining how there's chaos in the Middle East and it's not entirely Obama's fault that they have -- our victims in circumstances. And I was sort of nodding along the way, then OK, I could buy that up, but this is the paragraph that I said, this --

GUILFOYLE: This is the killer.

PERINO: This is the one that just made me --


PERINO: Hang my head in shame. It says, "The truth is, you can dwell on Yemen, or you can recognize that we're one agreement away from a game- changing, legacy-setting nuclear accord on Iran that tackles what everyone agrees is the biggest threat to the region." And so that is, that to me said, OK, this is -- no matter what it is, they want so badly to have a.

BOLLING: A deal.

PERINO: Legacy setting.

GUILFOYLE: And a Nobel peace prize.

BOLLING: And you point it out yesterday is like going to the -- one of you guys did going to the Carlisle with your -- with your wallet open. Here's what I have now, what can I get? So, they want underground centrifuges where they can hide stuffs. They want to lift the sanctions immediately, what do we get? I'm trying to figure out what's -- what is it in for us?

PERINO: He needs to get a great speech.

BOLLING: Right. Obama gets his legacy deal. But, did you notice one time --

GUILFOYLE: And Kerry gets surprise.

BOLLING: In common word in both of those sound bites? Trust. Engel and Leon Panetta's concern with what's going on with negotiating with Iran is trust. They are concerned that you can't trust Iran. You can't trust a deal that coming forth. They are 100 percent right. There is no reason to trust them.

PERINO: No -- now that what Engel was saying is that the Saudis think that they can't trust us.

BOLLING: What -- we can't trust the Obama administration.

PERINO: So they breakdown.

BOLLING: That they won't leave without this.

PERINO: Right.

GUILFOYLE: Because they can.

BOLLING: Can I just throw something about it? --

PERINO: I going to get Juan.

GUILFOYLE: I wouldn't tell them, either, nothing. I wouldn't tell them what color dress I'm wearing, come on.

BOLLING: Can I just --


PERINO: Is it blue or is it red?


BOLLING: Along the lines of what we are talking about. So we're against Iran with Syria or with Iran in Iraq against ISIS. But then again, we're against Iran in Yemen, because we were with the Saudis. I --

PERINO: Perfect segues.


PERINO: Because you know Juan, one of the things I tried to do every night is to walk home quickly enough that I get there in time to watch you on Special Report.


PERINO: And I was watching, as I turn it on, I get there just in time and the question to you was -- is the administration's policy confusing? And you said, no, it is perfectly clear. And I -- then I have to rewind and say, did Juan just say the administration policy in the Middle East is perfectly clear? Because what Eric just laid out about the different ways that were trying to have to fight against and work with Iran, seems to me that's not very clear.

WILLIAMS: I think it's clear. I think what's very clear and by the way, the answer to your question is, what do we get out of the deal? I think that we get the prize or prices which would be Iran not having nuclear weapons. I think that should be the goal. I think Israel feels that. I think we feel that. Second thing we get out of it, guess what? You know despite what Engel said in that report on NBC, the fact is the United States provided targeting information, logistical information, Intel in terms of movement of the Iranian-backed forces.


WILLIAMS: Inside Yemen.


WILLIAMS: So what we have here is.

GUILFOYLE: What about Iran?

WILLIAMS: In United States, for the first time getting Arab forces, Arab nations to act in their own interests, instead of putting our blood on the line, putting their skin in the game.

PERINO: And that's actually --

WILLIAMS: Good stuff.

PERINO: This is what the administration is going to say. For all the chaos, the speech is going to be - Greg, they are going to end up saying, we meant to do that, and that will be their defense.

GUTFELD: Why can't President Obama just make the honest argument, that he really does want Iran to have nuclear weapons? Why he can't even say that? Why, why can't he use the mad argument, mutually assured destruction. If Iran has it, they probably won't use it. And if every country has it, then they probably won't use it. That's probably what he believes. If you look at --

GUILFOYLE: They go on cold war.

GUTFELD: yeah. If you, if you look at the Ukraine, they gave up their nukes and look what happened. You can make that argument.

PERINO: Because it is inevitable.

GUTFELD: Right, exactly. I think that's how he thinks, but he is just -- he's scared to say it.

WILLIAMS: Let me just say this.


WILLIAMS: I think that what you got now, in terms of the status quo, unacceptable. It's the chaos that we are witnessing today. It's the mess on the ground. You guys somehow imagine it's the Obama administration's fault. That is what you are hearing from the former official, that's what you hear. Oh, gee. The Obama administration should be more aggressive. We got to fill the vacuum. In fact, I think its creative thinking going on here that says to the Arab nations, you guys, Sunni versus Shia, with all of your anger and tribal warfare. You know, you guys figure -- this is your deal not us.


PERINO: So this is the experiment. So President Obama wanted to have a good experiment, to see what would be like for America to be in the back seat and the Arab nations to take the lead, and this is -- we are on the verge of possibly seeing a disastrous civil war.


PERINO: I got to turn this whole play because --

GUILFOYLE: Driving Miss Daisy. That's our foreign policy.

PERINO: I want to turn to Syria now, because the president of Syria just said that his nation would be willing to consider talks with the United States, listen.


BASHAR AL-ASSAD, PRESIDENT OF SYRIA: As president in Syria, we could say that every dialogue is a positive thing. And we will go to be open to any dialogue with anyone including the United States regarding anything based on mutual respect.


PERINO: So why wouldn't he want to talk to us, seeing our concessions to Iran. I think that, what is so confusing is that you have Bashar al-Assad saying that -- about killing more than 200,000 of his own people in his country's civil war.


AL-ASSAD: It is not traditional war. It's not about capturing land and gaining land. It is about winning the hearts and minds of the Syrians. We cannot win the hearts to find what the Syrians, while you are killing Syrians.


PERINO: Right. I mean, that's, that's the point. And that is why our policy was for a regime change and then it wasn't for regime change. And now, there are actually rumors among -- in Washington Kimberly, that there are people on the administration think our best bet now is to make a deal also with Bashar al-Assad.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. That's what they will going to do. Because, we are like tantric little gymnasts here in the United States of America, we will bend over to unbelievable positions, because we just want to take a back seat to the world while chaos erupts.

WILLIAMS: And you want to go fight everyone?

GUILFOYLE: Fantastic. I want to be in charge, Juan.


GUILFOYLE: Can't you tell?

WILLIAMS: Yes, I can tell it.

GUILFOYLE: I want to get it done.

WILLIAMS: You dominate me.

GUILFOYLE: I want to take some names. I want to do some punishments.

WILLIAMS: I get you girl. I think --


WILLIAMS: I feel you.


WILLIAMS: But I'm saying, gee, you know what? Enough with this. We've got to do everything, we are such narcissists. If it is not about us.

GUILFOYLE: No, we're not narcissists. It's --

WILLIAMS: If it's not about the United States military.

GUILFOYLE: Wow. That's not the case.

WILLIAMS: Oh, well you don't have a solution. You are a punk. You are chunk.

GUILFOYLE: No, Juan. That is a very sophomoric attitude.

WILLIAMS: I think both.

GUILFOYLE: Of you view point about foreign policy of the United States. Get it? It is very naive.

WILLIAMS: And you have -- and your sophistication --

GUILFOYLE: History does not support your view point.

WILLIAMS: Your sophistication is -- put the military in and the military and America might, would solve the problem. Guess what?


WILLIAMS: We haven't done that for the last 50 years. GUILFOYLE: My --

WILLIAMS: Why would we try something new?

GUILOYLE: My position is.

GUTFELD: Why do you think that's not true?

GUILFOYLE: When you have a first string and varsity put them in. GUTFELD: With -- he's done quite well.


GUTFELD: The military has done quite well. This -- I think you are reflecting again is pure geographical bigotry. We are surrounded by oceans, so it's not our problem, but Europe has got to worry about Iran. They have to worry about it. In 2009, we reneged gone (ph) locating those anti- missile defense systems in Eastern Europe, because it is not our problem. So sooner or later it's going to be their problem. They're going to take care of, but I guess, that's good. But your Yankee phobia makes me sick.

WILLIAMS: No, no, no. But I would say to you Gregory, wait a second. Look at the Saudis, right?


WILLIAMS: Yemen is on their southern border. Guess what? Now, they are acting in their self interest.

GUTFELD: I disagree.

WILLIAMS: Is that bad?

GUTFELD: No, it's not. It's awesome.

BOLLING: No, that's good. So the bad part is.

GUILFOYLE: Well, it not seems bad.

BOLLING: That they didn't -- didn't notify the United States.

WILLIAMS: Of course, wait. They're working with us.

BOLLING: Why it is matter.

WILLIAMS: They're working with us.

BOLLING: No, no. They didn't tell us --

WILLIAMS: Maybe the Intelligence.

BOLLING: Juan, they didn't tell us, they were striking Yemen.

GUILFOYLE: After the fact.

WILLIAMS: They just -- they just --


WILLIAMS: They didn't give us the exact time.

BOLLING: Do you have -- just, do we happen to have a picture of the Middle East? If we have a picture of Middle East, throw it up there. Here is why it matters. We have, we have so many military personnel in that area. We are protecting.


BOLLING: The Strait of Hormuz. We have, we have an aircraft carrier in the --

WILLIAMS: You are making my point.

BOLLING: In the Persian Gulf right there.


BOLLING: For Saudi Arabia, I'm glad they did it and I'm glad that he didn't tell us, because -- the White House probably would have talked to amount of it. But, if for them not to trust us enough, to tell us that they are going with a lot of military people's lives at risk.

WILLIAMS: You know why is -- let me tell you something. Again, the logistics, the intelligence, the targeting -- says USA right on the side.

GUILFOYLE: After the fact.

WILLIAMS: No. You don't know. That's before.


WILLIAMS: How can, how can you tell someone we are targeted after the fact.

PERINO: That's what they're coordinated.

GUILFOYLE: I can't. There is only so much I can do and we have to go.

PERINO: I'm -- and I also -- I think that it is worth pointing out that Iran in that map that we don't have but, it will picture in your mind, and is that so, Iran, while we have been having these negotiations with them for their deal on nuclear power, they are now in control of Syria, Lebanon, Yemen and Iraq, while we have been negotiating a deal.

GUILFOYLE: While Winning.

GUTFELD: Good point there, Dana.

PERINO: Thank you, I thought so. Coming up, new information on surfaced on the co-pilot who took down that Germanwings jet in the Alps of France. What he hid from the airline and what the airline could be liable for, next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) GUILFOYLE: New information is emerging on the mental health of the co-pilot accused of intentionally taking down Germanwings flight-9525 in the French Alps. Andreas Lubitz reportedly have been treated in the past for at least one serious a present episode and once had to suspend flight training of psychological issues. Prosecutors say Lubitz hid his medical condition form the airline. A doctor's note was found excusing him from work, on the day of the crash that killed all 150 people on board. Did Germanwings know about his health and still, let him fly? Are there going to be legal implications for the airline? Peter Johnson Jr. thinks so.


PETER JOHNSON, JR., FOX NEWS LEGAL ANALYST: There is evidence in civil liability and there maybe criminal liability based upon what we find out in this investigation. What we are hearing now from the prosecutor, well, the airline didn't know, because somehow the co-pilot ripped up some medical note. We knew since 2009 according to published reports that co-pilot Lubitz had been treated for psychiatric ill (ph) condition, including depression. To say that the airline was not aware of his medical condition in the past, is a real, real stretch.


GUILFOYLE: OK. So let's take it around and gets some opinion on this, Juan, your thoughts?

WILLIAMS: Well, you know, actually, Eric and I were talking about this and the idea is -- does the government have a legitimate role in saying we want to screen all airline pilots for psychological issues before we let them fly an airplane. Or is that government intrusion more government regulations from a conservative point of view. My feeling is, you are putting so many people at risk that of course, I think you would expect as a citizen, the government would much as we have an FAA to control airline traffic even though if pilot can see in his radar, he would say no, we want that. So -- yeah, I think there might be liability if it is found that they were negligent, but I think Lufthansa would say, hey, guess what? You know, there are no regulations and he went through some screening previously, and we can't check every day, every week and -- you know, so we filled our legal obligations.

GUILFOYLE: Again, Mr. Bolling.

BOLLING: Well, I think -- and again like, anti-regulation, but I would like to see some sort of check the system going on. Right now, it is an honor system. So if you see a pilot or if your flight attendant sees a pilot and you think there's, there are some issues going on.

(CROSSTALK) GUILFOYLE: Call them whether they are drinking or using --



BOLLING: Or mentally unstable whatever. You can, you can do that but, here's the -- the rest of it is, it goes as follows. You can say, I have an issue and I'm taking this, this and this for that issue and then risk getting fired for it or at least laid off or pulled out of the cockpit, which this gentleman wasn't one point, at some point his career, they took him out of the cockpit. So, it's the honor system. I would personally like to maybe see a little bit more -- I don't know, someone checking.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, because --

BOLLING: Depending what they put on the paper.

GUILFOYLE: If the government doesn't do it, right? And impose regulations.

BOLLING: It's both right.

GUILFOYLE: Now, the individual companies can -- should. And if you feel safer flying with an airline, and a corporation that insists on more strict guidelines and check has more rigorous in their background and evaluation of pilots, then fly them and don't fly --

BOLLING: That's the -- that it's the pure free market --

GUILFOYLE: And me we would like that and help the --

BOLLING: Yeah. That is exactly the --


WILLIAMS: That's why --


GUTFELD: That they can crash that plane in a building and those people didn't choose that airline though.

WILLIAMS: That's what I'm thinking. You know, we -- everybody checks for a low fares.

GUILFOYLE: You do what you can to be safe, right.

GUTFELD: No, it's a -- GUILFOYLE: You really can't prevent a 100 percent that jihad (inaudible).

GUTFELD: It's -- a risk assessment. It's a risk assessment. There are couples of issues here, number one with the door. If -- who is more likely to hijack a plane? 300 passengers or two pilots? That is why the door is there. That's why you need the door. They made a very simply change which was necessary, the extra person. If the extra person was there this probably wouldn't have happened.

GUILFOYLE: It shouldn't have done that to begin with.

GUTFELD: That's what I'm saying, that's the thing.

GUILFOYLE: Are we good?

GUTFELD: If I were the family of the survivors, I would take this airline apart. I really would. I mean, it is -- this is unconscionable. 18 months of treatment. He had a record of being not suitable. If I --

GUILFOYLE: And barely any flying hours.

GUTFELD: Through a crack. That crack was huge for him to slip through it, because -- it, it makes no sense to me.

GUILFOYLE: And he was barely even qualified to be in that position of co- piloting that plane. He had a very little time log in flying an Airbus regardless, I mean, that is not someone you want. So you want somebody's going to have stricter guidelines and hire better pilots. Maybe you got to pay the pilots more, so you can get more experienced people. Dana?

PERINO: I think, I think. I'm not going to disagree with anything that we've said, except.

GUILFOYLE: Based on this, so (ph).

PERINO: I think that there is -- we have to be a little bit careful here. 350 million people around the world suffer from mental illness. A lot of people seek treatment for depression. They get treated and they go about fought (ph) themselves, fine.

GUILFOYLE: You don't do this.

PERINO: You don't - it doesn't necessarily mean that you got treated for depression, so then you don't know the difference between right and wrong. And, I worry about further discrimination against people because, if people think that they are going to lose their jobs, because they seek medical treatment for depression, then it is more likely that they will not seek that treatment and then we could have additional tragedies on our hands.

GUTFELD: By the way, this -- I'm sorry, this is not depression. Were you -- PERINO: Right.


PERINO: So I mean --

GUTFELD: There are 350 million people around the world that have depression and they don't take people with them.

GUILFOYLE: There is more to this.

GUTFELD: There are so much to this that they screwed up on, leave the depression piece out of this.

PERINO: Right.

GUTFELD: He was not --

PERINO: Usually it cannot be taught (ph)

GUILFOYLE: And issues perhaps with his relationship. Remember you talked about that.

BOLLING: Relationships, drug abuse, even something as ridiculous as maybe, there's medications for seizures and things like that. You know, you have to ask questions. Do you want a pilot --

PERINO: You can't have a pilot's license.

BOLLING: Commanding a pilot --

PERINO: If you had kidney stones.


BOLLING: UP until five years ago. You couldn't be a pilot if you were taking antidepressants.

PERINO: And may the kids, doesn't have kidney stones. But you couldn't have kidney stones --


WILLIAMS: But you know -- you know I want to pick up on what Dana was saying. I think Dana is exactly right. That you know, you have to protect your individual liberties and someone has to be able to say, I have a problem.


WILLIAMS: But I must say, if you are going to - if you are going through a divorce, if you are going through a problem - you know there - the other day in the paper, they were saying that --

PERINO: It doesn't mean you can't work.

WILLIAMS: People will pull your investment. The big investors in this country will take their money away from a broker, who is going through a divorce. Well, somebody is going through serious psychological problems. I don't want to get on that plane, and I think somebody has to tell me, because I wouldn't know.


GUILFOYLE: Yeah, I agree.

GUTFELD: What does this -- what does this tell you about the possibility of future terror? This is not a terror act, but the long term placement of rogue actors, would paralyze.


GUTFELD: A country --


GUTFELD: Just pure psychology of it.

BOLLING: The terror --


BOLLING: Is going to go from the back of the airplane.

GUTFELD: And to the front.

BOLLING: To the front.


BOLLING: Yeah. Yep.

GUILFOYLE: All right, very good block.

GUTFELD: Really? You think so?

PERINO: I would say so. >

GUILFOYLE: A major announcement from the Senate sub-Democrat Harry Reid coming up next in the Fastest 7.


BOLLING: Welcome back, time for -- the Fastest 6:30 on television. Three fun filled stories, seven fleet minutes, one frolic some host. First up, I -- Senator Reid, don't let the door hit you -- never mind. He is calling it quits after nearly 30 years in government. Here are some of Harry's greatest hits.


HARRY REID, SENATOR: But we are not going to balance the Tea Party anarchists. We deny the mere fact that Obama is of the Obamacare is the law.

In population is so productive. I don't think you are smarter than anybody else because you (inaudible) as you are.

The (inaudible) Koch brothers are very good at protecting and growing up prodigious (ph) future. Of what is on American is when Shadow Wood -- billionaires pour unlimited money into our democracy to rig the system.


BOLLING: All right, we'll bring you around, Dana, your thoughts on the senator?


PERINO: Do you recall the New Year's Eve show, 2015 for this year. I would predict that Harry Reid would not run for a re-election. I think it is a good decision for him and a god decisions for the Democrats. I know he served for many years and his constituents are probably very grateful for all that he has done. But I believe that he did two made main, main things that were bad. One, he wrecked the operations of the Senate. It's going to take a long time to try to repair those. And the other thing that he did is he brought incivility to a new height in the United States Senate. I think the person most happy about this change is Hillary Clinton because, it is better for her if her friend, Chuck Schumer.

GUILFOYLE: Speaking of --


PERINO: Of New York Senator. If he is in charge, he is vested in her success and he will not cause her problems like Harry Reid.

BOLLING: It looks like Schumer is going to get the nod.

GUTFELD: I guess so. I was going to say this. He was -- he revolutionized the demonization of your adversary in which you weren't just wrong, but you were evil. You were never like, "I disagree with you. I disagree with you, and you should go to hell."

That was his kind of thing. He was like a walking symbol of the free pass. If the stuff that Harry Reid had said by a Republican, that Republican would have been exiled. The media was his bubble wrap, as they are for Obama.

GUILFOYLE: Totally true. I think it's time to move forward. I wish him well with his health. And bye-bye.

BOLLING: Very good. Juan, quick thought on Reid, before we move on?

WILLIAMS: I thought he's been one of the greats. And I've got to tell you something. You know, I was listening to you guys, and it's just so curious to me, because I think who's exactly been obstructing?

BOLLING: Here we go.

WILLIAMS: Who has been stopping and...

BOLLING: I know who you're talking about.

BOLLING: That's a perfect transition to this. During one of his post- presidential run announcement interviews, Senator Ted Cruz mentioned he started listening to country music after 9/11. Need proof Cruz can rile up the left? Here's liberal blogger Jamilah LeMieux flashing her liberal intolerance.


JAMILAH LEMIEUX, EBONY.COM SENIOR EDITOR: Nothing says "let's go kill Muslims" like country music. Fresh from Lynchburg, Virginia. Obviously does not want to be a polarizing candidate, to bring people together.


LEMIEUX: It's absurd.


BOLLING: That was absurd.

WILLIAMS: Let me say something. This one gets personal for me, because my son, Rafi, Rafi was someone who was tweeting about a black conservative magazine put out by Ben Carson.

And then he got a tweet back from this lady saying, "I don't want to hear anything from black conservatives, and I definitely don't want to hear anything from you, Mr. White Guy," not realizing that Raffi is black.

GUTFELD: She's racist!

WILLIAMS: And then -- then they got into a big thing between her and Reince Priebus and the RCN. Finally, Ebony issued an apology. So I think she is given to foot in mouth disease here. Do you think?


BOLLING: K.G., weigh in on this story?

GUILFOYLE: It's sad because the people that she's on with are just like, "Oh, yes. Mm-hmm." Are they even listening? Do they understand? It just makes them look foolish and absurd. And I just -- I don't get it. I mean, people get on TV and say the dumbest things.

BOLLING: Is this going to make her more desired on the left?

GUTFELD: It doesn't -- it doesn't matter. Everything that you're seeing on MSNBC right now, you will not be seeing in a few months. This thing is -- this ship has hit the iceberg.

I think you're right. Joan Walsh (ph), with her blithering laughter afterward, is a perfect symbol of this network. By the way, it's also a mirror issue. Right-wing cranks think hip-hop is evil. Left-wing cranks think country music is evil.

PERINO: Dumb. They think it's dumb.

GUTFELD: It cancels each other out. But there is crossover. There are great bands like Gangstagrass...

PERINO: Love that.

GUTFELD: ... the bluegrass hip-hop, who does the "Justified" song.

BOLLING: Quick thought before we move on to Dean Smith?

PERINO: As a former country music dee jay...

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

PERINO: ... I've got to say, you've got to just give it a try. Like some of the old stuff is great. The new stuff is great.

GUILFOYLE: I've even found a way to dance to it.

WILLIAMS: To dance?

GUTFELD: You have to be drunk.

BOLLING: Let's get this in here. Dean Smith is known by many as the best college basketball coach ever. He passed away on February 7. In true Dean Smith fashion, his will had a surprise in it. He left $200 for every letterman who ever played for him so they could have dinner on him. Listen.

GUILFOYLE: Very sweet.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He walked into our homes and said, "I'm going to take your son for four years and be around him more than you will be as a parent." So you know, Coach Smith ahead of his time, man, just an unbelievable mark.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is someone who I find to be a remarkable human being and someone I love dearly and already miss.

I'm getting it framed, mounted and framed. And I'm going to stick it in my office, and I'll be able to look at it every day and remember.


BOLLING: Basketball fan?

WILLIAMS: I'm a huge basketball fan. He was a great coach. And it's not only that he was a great coach. He produced other great coaches, including Williams, who's now there. But I must say, he produced great players, including Michael Jordan.

BOLLING: Yes, very good. Dean Smith thoughts? Thought on leaving money in the will.

GUILFOYLE: Great coach, class act leaving a lasting impression and enduring legacy. We need more coaches like this. Because it's not just parents. It's not just teachers, but coaches are helping to shape the young people of tomorrow.

BOLLING: Every single player that played for him gets 200 bucks.

PERINO: I know. I don't know. I probably would never have made the team, but I can be a fan.

BOLLING: At least the former, we can bet on that one.

GUTFELD: I love the idea of the charitable will. Whatever savings that I have when I'm dead, I am giving to Philanthropy.

WILLIAMS: Wait, wait. Can I have some?


WILLIAMS: What about me? Wait, wait.

GUTFELD: Never mind.

BOLLING: Come on.

GUTFELD: I was going to say Philanthropy is a table dancer in the Bronx.

BOLLING: Thank you very much.

GUILFOYLE: Yay. She's going to be so excited.

WILLIAMS: Yes, she is.

GUILFOYLE: Going to be a little extra spring in her step tonight.

BOLLING: Any relation to Charity?

GUILFOYLE: Charity, we broke up.

BOLLING: Ahead, my "Fool of the Week." Plus, his journey into space just got underway. Scott Kelly has lift off coming up next on "The Five."


GUTFELD: Vaping is giving them the vapors.


BEA ARTHUR, ACTRESS: What about the vapors, Blanche? Shouldn't she be overcome by the vapors?


GUTFELD: Check out California's new ads trashing e-cigarettes. They put the "dis" in "disinformation." Roll it, Carla.


GRAPHIC: Meet the next generation cigar.

(MUSIC: "Lollipop")

GRAPHIC: For the next generation to be hooked by big tobacco. Not marketed to minors. The next generation of rats. Big. Customers.


GUTFELD: So that cost millions, and perhaps lives, for it scares smokers away from quitting real cigarettes, which are far deadlier. They demonize with flimsy lies like these.


GRAPHIC: From the people who brought you cancer, cigarettes, a new way to inhale chemicals with a drug as addictive as heroin and unknown long-term effects. We again. There's a lot the e-cig industry isn't telling us about vaping.


GUTFELD: Seriously, burps contain more facts than that crud. Need I remind you, tobacco-free California, e-cigs don't have tobacco.

But also, they ignore research showing how vaping gets people like me to quit. Try Googling it, you jerks.

They failed to mention that real cigarettes have up to 450 times the toxins of e-cigarettes, and they claim nicotine is as bad as heroin. That's a myth debunked more times than kids at camp.

So the ads do exactly what the accused e-cigs are doing, seductively marketing something deadly. It's not an ad; it's propaganda. But for whom?

When you want your mind blown, maybe the government doesn't want you to quit smoking, because that's how they make bank. A while back they made a deal with big tobacco to pay for healthcare costs, about 200 billion, based on cigarettes sold. They knew sales would decline, but now the drop has doubled. See, what they didn't factor in was vaping. More vaping means fewer smokers, and that's less money for the state.

Now, this is just a theory, but it holds more water than any hysterical claim made by these falsehood-flinging freaks. They say it's about health. But what if it's really about money? Don't act so surprised. This is government after all.

All right. K.G., I was -- I always take the elevator.


GUTFELD: I started to take the stairs because I can. And you know why I can? Not because I quit smoking; because I started vaping, which got me to quit smoking. Now my lung capacity...

GUILFOYLE: Now your lung capacity has increased.

GUTFELD: ... and I can take the stairs from studio to studio. How about that?

GUILFOYLE: You're like a little human treadmill, little stairmaster. And I like it.

GUTFELD: I'm a human, not a little human.

GUILFOYLE: You are a little crankier, though. But other than that, I'm all in on the vaping.

And I agree. You really have to get behind the message. Where's the money behind it, right?


GUILFOYLE: Follow the money to see who's going to benefit from this. Why are they putting this out there? Who has a vested interest in seeing that vaping is demonized?

WILLIAMS: I'm going to say this.

GUTFELD: Yes? Say something knowledgeable, and don't ruin my jokes.

WILLIAMS: The thing is, I know nothing about this. Let me just tell you that off the top.

GUILFOYLE: Leave it there.

WILLIAMS: What I do know about this is, man, are you fired up. You took this personally, like somebody assaulted you.

GUTFELD: I do. I'll tell you why. Because the people that are coming out against it are actually hurting people.

WILLIAMS: But wait a second. Wait a second.

GUILFOYLE: This is his school choice issue, like you get fired up.

WILLIAMS: Well, I appreciate that, thank you. But I'm just saying...

GUTFELD: People -- people's lives are saved by vaping.

WILLIAMS: Let me just say, as a no nothing, I would say, "Oh, look, government is trying to tell kids, 'Hey, kids.'" It's like, you know, people say -- the kid goes to college...


WILLIAMS: ... like "Don't smoke dope..."


WILLIAMS: "... don't do coke, but it's OK if you have a lot of beers," and then they end up a drunk. So is the government just saying to them, "Hey, listen, there are risks attached to using this vape"?

GUTFELD: No. What they're using is they're using children as the front of the spear to ban something that's harmless.

WILLIAMS: You think they want to ban it?


GUTFELD: Yes. And they're already trying.

Eric, thoughts?

BOLLING: And so...

GUTFELD: Is that a weird conspiracy? I think it's valid.

BOLLING: I think the tobacco companies, obviously, they want you off the vape. They want you back on the leafy tobacco type, rather than the ones you vape.

Anecdotally, a neighbor who is always buying stuff overseas and trying to bring these things public, never worked for him. About seven years ago he bought a little vaping cigarette company from China, came back here. There's a big tobacco company that's trying to buy his company for $5 billion. He's said no so far.


PERINO: I'll take it.

BOLLING: And it was all because he was in a Chinese...

GUTFELD: Came from China.

BOLLING: Right. Chinese -- whatever building, and they said, "Try this one."

He said, "That will never -- let me buy it." He bought it for a pittance. He's going to be a multibillionaire now.


PERINO: I will just say, Chuck Schumer...


PERINO: ... that we just mentioned will be the leader of the Senate now for the Democrats, he actually has proposed legislation to ban e- cigarettes.

GUTFELD: Exactly.

PERINO: So now you have a reason to hate him.

GUTFELD: They ban it because they don't like it.

"The Five" returns in a moment. First, some breaking news from Shep at the FOX News desk -- Shep.

SHEPARD SMITH, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Hey, we've got some big news on Amanda Knox, the women dubbed "Foxy Knoxy" and convicted of murdering her girl -- her roommate in a drug-fuelled sex game.

An Italian court has been debating whether that conviction should be overturned, and it is. Amanda Knox is not guilty, as is her then- boyfriend, Raffaele Sollecito. Each had been sentenced to more than 25 years in an Italian prison. This was the second of so far two appeals. And a three-judge panel came together to consider what the defense lawyer said was a bunch of errors in the original trial.

Apparently, these judges agreed, and today Amanda Knox of Seattle is found not guilty. Her conviction is overturned. This ends her legal saga. She will not have to return to Italy. And Amanda Knox and her boyfriend, Raffaele Sollecito, not guilty.

I'm Shepard Smith at the FOX News desk. "The Five" continues after this.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Engine igniting. Ramping up and liftoff. The year in space starts now. Kelly, Kornienko and Padalka on their way towards the International Space Station.


WILLIAMS: Astronaut Scott Kelly said good-bye to Earth this afternoon. He's now making his way to the International Space Station alongside two Russian cosmonauts in a Soyuz spacecraft. It will be a one-year trip, the longest ever for an American.

NASA will conduct a one-of-a-kind study of the human body by comparing experiments on Kelly to experiments on those of his identical twin brother, Mark, who will be back on Earth.

Here's Kelly before he blasted off.


SCOTT KELLY, ASTRONAUT: While I'm up there most of humanity is 250 miles below you. If anything goes wrong on Earth, you're not coming home. It just makes me think of how long a year really is. I feel pretty fortunate that I'm here and I get to risk it all one more time.


WILLIAMS: This story just blows me away. It caught my attention this morning in the paper. I just love it, because they're comparing him to his brother.

But I have one question going around the table here. What do you take for one year? You know, the other day they had the story about people going to Mars and you don't come back. What would they take? But what does he take for one year?

What do you take, Greg? What, where you're left...

GUTFELD: It's so awesome. You know who he took? His twin brother. This is great. This is a huge prank on the Russians. Identical twins in space. They are going to mess with those guys for a year. They're going to be, like -- they don't know which one is which.

By the way, contrary to what you think, we're already in space. We just happen to be resting on a little rock. Seriously, we're all astronauts right here. Getting into a spacecraft -- getting into a spacecraft is redundant. It's like living on a beach and going on a swimming pool. We're already -- I'm floating right now.

WILLIAMS: Yes, you are.

GUILFOYLE: You're vaping.

WILLIAMS: He's vaping. Exactly right.

What do you say, Snowflake? What have you got for me?

GUILFOYLE: Snowflake?

BOLLING: That's Dana's secret FBI nickname.

WILLIAMS: You don't know that?

GUILFOYLE: I do know that, but now everyone knows.

WILLIAMS: Just like I call you Bishop because of the purple and Easter.

GUILFOYLE: That was today.

PERINO: I'm Snowflake. OK, I think this is very cool for him.


PERINO: I have no interest in space.

WILLIAMS: No, no, but what would you pack?

PERINO: What would I pack?

GUILFOYLE: Jasper, obviously.

PERINO: Obviously.

GUTFELD: No. You'd be eating that in a week.

BOLLING: Eric, what do you pack? One year.

GUILFOYLE: No, but I know someone who would.

BOLLING: I thought it was who -- what would you miss the most?

WILLIAMS: No, I went to what would you...

BOLLING: Porter. Our producer. I know what I'd do.

WILLIAMS: Oh, my God.

BOLLING: Pack Porter for a year.

BOLLING: You'd have everything, I guess.

PERINO: Put Porter in a bag and say, "See you later."

BOLLING: Juan, I'd pack you.

WILLIAMS: You'd pack -- what are you packing?

PERINO: Chocolates.

GUILFOYLE: Well, I don't know. I don't know if I can survive. I needed some protein, so salami, some big sticks. And something from Brookstone.

WILLIAMS: They give you, you know, these tubes of food. You want to pack real food.

GUTFELD: Nobody buys things at Brookstone. They just walk in and sit on the chairs.

GUILFOYLE: Then they're missing out.

GUTFELD: It's true.

BOLLING: Well, what would you?

WILLIAMS: You know, I was thinking about this, and I would -- you know, what I do when I want to cool down is I go take a walk. So I'd want, like, you know someone, like a live camera. You know that live camera shot we have down Sixth Avenue. I love that shot.

GUTFELD: You'd take an entire street with you.

WILLIAMS: Take a street, yes.

PERINO: You want to go to space and then walk on Earth?

WILLIAMS: No, no, I want to watch. I want to just watch.

GUILFOYLE: I would never want to go. No way.

WILLIAMS: You'd go with me.

"One More Thing" coming up next.

GUILFOYLE: That would be "Fantasy Island" for you?

WILLIAMS: For you.


PERINO: It's time for "One More Thing." But first a programming note. Senator Marco Rubio joins "The Five" this Monday. We're looking forward to sitting down with a potential 2016 contender, so don't miss that.

Eric, you're up first for "One More Thing."

BOLLING: First of all I'm going to be on "O'Reilly" tonight. Make sure you check that out.

But it's Friday so time for...



GRAPHIC: Fool of the Week


BOLLING: ... "Fool of the Week.: Check out the worst parking job ever. Watch.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She has hit that red car next to her.


BOLLING: OK. She's already hit the red car three or four times. She hits the other car next to her, but look at how she's parking. The worst parallel park of all time. That's Eleanor Holmes Norton, congresswoman representing Washington, D.C. But she has signed up for driving lessons.

One more anecdotal note: She once called me Sonny. I was interviewing her, she goes, "Listen here, Sonny."

PERINO: Because of your tan?


GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.


PERINO: All right. I'm going next. "One More Thing" for me is the Associated Press, A.P. Stylebook, one of, like, the bibles. I love it. They came up with an update today.

Three things you need to know. "BLT," as in "bacon lettuce tomato," is acceptable on first reference. You don't have to spell it out.

A new word has been added as a verb: "favorite," as in to favorite a tweet. And climate change. You can now use "climate change" and "global warming" interchangeably, which is what they wanted all along.

BOLLING: All right.


GUTFELD: All right. It's time for...


GUTFELD: "Greg's Fact."


GUTFELD: All right. I bet you're wondering, how many books have ever been published since the beginning of time? Can you guess?


BOLLING: Two million.

GUTFELD: Two million?

PERINO: Two billion?

GUTFELD: Two billion? Both of you are wrong. A hundred and twenty-nine million, eight hundred and sixty-four thousand, eight hundred and eighty books have been published since the beginning of time, according to Google's advanced algorithms, because they have to go and log in everything. They used 150 pieces of metadata, and they found it was 200 million. Then they removed government documents and audiotapes. It's 129 million. I think that's pretty interesting.

BOLLING: That's quite a few. Anything else going on today?

GUTFELD: Yes, it's good.

PERINO: That's very, very interesting.

All right. Anything else going on today? Nothing.

GUTFELD: Nothing.

PERINO: OK. Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: Everything is amazing. Yes, and "One More Thing" follow-up. Yes, it lives on.

So remember yesterday, I showed you this viral video -- it was pretty funny -- of Wisconsin Badgers forward Nigel Hayes? He got a little embarrassed after a room full of reporters heard his private comments about a certain beautiful woman. We know who she is.

The reveal, please. Stenographer Debra Bollman. She was on "FOX & Friends."


DEBRA BOLLMAN, STENOGRAPHER: It was so sweet and honest. And he was really respectful. I knew he was talking about me, because he had said the word "syzygy." And then he was waiting to see if I had that word, if I wrote it correctly on my steno machine and if I had it in my computer.


GUILFOYLE: So he has a history of using words that are difficult for stenographers, words like "onomatopoeia." And so next time that he has a hard word for her, she's going to ask him to use it in a sentence. Or something.


GUILFOYLE: Very cute.

PERINO: That's a great "One More Thing."

GUILFOYLE: Thank you so much.

PERINO: I loved it.

Juan, can you do better than that?

WILLIAMS: No, I wouldn't even try. But I must say, I'm amazed at Fortune's 50 greatest leaders of 2015, because gee, Barack Obama is not on the list, not even there.

PERINO: Shocker.

WILLIAMS: Let me tell you that No. 6 is Taylor Swift.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

WILLIAMS: The pope is on the list. LeBron James is on the list but no Barack Obama. It's like, you know, where in the world is Waldo.

PERINO: Did they include any -- well, was it exclusive -- did they not include government?

WILLIAMS: No, they did include government.

BOLLING: They included leaders. That was the problem.

WILLIAMS: The president wasn't a good leader. Yes, yes, because...

PERINO: Criteria. They had standards.

WILLIAMS: But I might say...

GUTFELD: He's really becoming an embarrassment.

GUILFOYLE: I know. You ought to know about that.

WILLIAMS: ... Mitch Daniels someone we know. Jimmy Fallon is on the list. Anthony Fauci, Bill Gates. But no Barack Obama.

PERINO: Where was Greg Gutfeld on that list?

WILLIAMS: I don't know.

PERINO: Out to pasture?

All right. That's it for us. Have a great weekend, everyone. "Special Report" is next.

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