New questions about Blumenthal's relationship with Clinton

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," July 1, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Bolling
along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld.
Its five o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

Welcome, everybody. Just something like the fastest but this time it's four
stories. First, all you have to do is open a newspaper or turn on the TV
and you know after 10 years of marriage, one of Hollywood's most famous
couples are calling it quits. Jennifer Garner and Ben Affleck have decided
to split. Making this from Affleck at the 2013 Academy Awards all the more


BEN AFFLECK, ACTOR: I want to thank my wife who I don't normally associate
with Iran, but.


AFFLECK: I want to thank you for working on our marriage for the last 10
(inaudible), it's good. It is work, but it's the best kind of work. And
there's no one I'd rather work with.


BOLLING: Well, the refreshing couple was known to buck the Hollywood mold
and put family first. And their statement reflected that saying quote, "We
go forward with love and friendship for one another and a commitment to co-
parenting our children whose privacy we ask to be respected during this
difficult time." Now K.G., Ben and Jen -- everyone kind of looked up to
them as that Hollywood couple that was bucking the trend of getting


BOLLING: And getting divorced.

GUILFOYLE: But I know how hard that is and to write a statement like that
and release it and it's going through a very difficult time, a very
emotional time. But you feel that you failed. You failed your children, you
failed one another and you really don't want them to be adversely impacted.
And I like what they talk about co-parenting because I think that's so
important. You have to put your ego aside. You can't make it about you,
your feelings. Do what's right and what's in the best interests of your
children. I know Ben, I don't really know Jen. But you know, I think from
what I've heard people that know them both, very good people and they love
their children. They're great parents. So I hope they can go forward and
this is not a painful experience for the children involved.

BOLLING: That statement from -- what is that, a year and a half ago from
the academy awards there? Had a lot of people questioning, why you would go
there? Talked about being how difficult it is to be married on stage.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: But I guess she couldn't handle being
married to a descendent of slave owners.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Well, what's that?

GUTFELD: I have to commend The Five on doing a story that CNN wouldn't


GUTFELD: Leading the show with a celebrity divorce.

BOLLING: There's more. Greg, there's more to come. I think.

GUTFELD: I know, I know. I just don't care.

PERINO: The fastest four.

GUTFELD: I don't care. I mean, let me put this way. I can't stand Ben
Affleck. He's a predictable left-wing, cookie cutter activist type. But I
feel I, you know, I wish them well. I don't care about their divorce. I
don't. I feel like it's a petty story for a show like ours.

BOLLING: So, do you agree?


PERINO: I agree that a divorce is -- I've not been through a divorce, but I
understand that it is like going to -- like grieving a death. And, so of
course, they're people of means so they'll be able to do the co-parenting
in a way that makes sure that the children have everything that they could
possibly need. But it is still going to be very sad for the family.

BOLLING: I would -- so also, Juan, Ben Affleck's been associated with
gambling. He's been a bit of a player. He dated J. Lo for awhile. I think
that may have broken the J. Lo relationship up, your thoughts on this one?

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Well, I mean, what's -- you know I'm
interested in a couple angles. One is today's my 37th anniversary.


PERINO: Congratulations.

GUILFOYLE: Happy Anniversary.

WILLIAMS: Yeah. Yes, so.

GUTFELD: How many wives?

WILLIAMS: Just one nice one.


WILLIAMS: Who's put up with all of this, so the least happy anniversary as
even as we talk about divorce. So here now, we come to this Hollywood
celebrity couple. As I understand, what's interesting is this comes like
literally one day after 10 years in the marriage. And the reason for that
is in Hollywood, there's a new set of rules once you pass 10 years, I
guess. So you have to have some kind of settlement. And I'm hoping because
the same --

GUILFOYLE: You mean in California.

WILLIAMS: Oh, in California?

GUILFOYLE: Well this -- it's not just applicable to like Hollywood.

WILLIAMS: No, no, but that's what I meant. You're -- yeah, so.

PERINO: Is it legal? But it said.

GUTFELD: I didn't know that.

PERINO: Legal settlement. How was she? (ph)

GUILFOYLE: Remember there was the whole thing with Tom Cruise and Nicole

PERINO: Oh, yeah.

GUILFOYLE: And reaching the 10-year mark. And so, yeah, it can affect that.

WILLIAMS: But how does it affect is my question?

GUILFOYLE: Listen, you know.

WILLIAMS: When they got more funny?

GUILFOYLE: I just keep what I had.

BOLLING: By the way.

GUILFOYLE: I don't trust in anybody.


BOLLING: It's -- this is mostly.

GUILFOYLE: I'm the best person to divorce.


BOLLING: Interesting, yeah. It was supposed.

GUILFOYLE: I got a job. I got insurance, 401(k).

BOLLING: I mean $40 million divorce.

So let's do this. Next up, remember we told you about the world's worst
prank where Paris Hilton was made to believe she was on an airplane that
was crashing. The prank so elaborate, there were two guys who jumped out of
the airplane with hidden parachutes.


PARIS HILTON, HILTON HEIRESS: Is this normal? It always does this?


HILTON: I don't want to jump! I don't want to jump!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get yourself jump!

HILTON: I'm not jumping!



HILTON: What the (beep)! I said I didn't want to go on that plane.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know. (inaudible).

HILTON: Is that guy OK?


HILTON: What do you mean? They're jumping out of the plane.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm so sorry. I have to sorry. I'm a bad guy. I'm a
naughty. I'm Egyptian, (inaudible), this is frank show.


BOLLING: Well now, Paris Hilton is telling business associates that she's
suing the Egyptian TV host who set up that doozy. OK, how about this one?
This one get you?

GUTFELD: Yes. The thought of Paris going down on a plane.


GUTFELD: Look, indeed be frightening. It's terrifying. No, she should sue.
She should sue. Because what, I mean, what is she -- what if you were on
that plane and you had a heart attack?

GUILFOYLE: It's true.

GUTFELD: I mean this is -- I don't want to go down like that. I don't want
to die like that. So this drives me crazy. And also, you know what the
consequences of prank shows are? When you actually see somebody on the
street that's in trouble, you think that perhaps, it might be part of a
show. And you don't do anything about it because you think, oh, should I
help this person or they're gonna just end up laughing?

BOLLING: You know, or someone's gonna die.


BOLLING: Someone's gonna have a heart attack.

GUILFOYLE: What if she tries to jump? Like jump out, what if she's like
yeah, I'm jumping -- boom.

GUTFELD: Yes, exactly.

BOLLING: Right. What if she said something that she didn't want to say,

GUTFELD: Right, right. That was a Cheers, the Cheers episode.

BOLLING: I have to admit to all this stuff before I die or do something.

GUILFOYLE: You've been worried about that Bolling.

BOLLING: Stop it. All right.


GUTFELD: Almost Famous. Remember when the plane was going down in Almost
Famous and the guy tell all his friends he's guy and then the plane goes
back up?

GUILFOYLE: Did that happen to you?



WILLIAMS: Well, looking good. You're hot.

PERINO: This makes -- she's a young woman with all the resources at her
disposal. She could do anything she wanted. You do not have to do Egyptian
reality TV!


PERINO: You're famous. You're like beautiful. You like.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, by the way, buy your own plane.

PERINO: She's in the reality TV calls hang up. Don't forget.


WILLIAMS: Yeah, yeah, but you know what?

GUILFOYLE: Buy your own plane.

WILLIAMS: She will do anything because all she is is famous.

GUTFELD: And they pay her a lot.

BOLLING: All right, let's do this one.

WILLIAMS: That's true.

GUILFOYLE: She's (inaudible).

WILLIAMS: They probably did.

BOLLING: Let's do this one. Kim Kardashian is perhaps the most
controversial woman in America, not running for president. Everyone seems
to have opinion of Kim K and now, get ready for the feminist to jump in to
the frake (ph). Kim K says quote, "I guess people would call me a feminist,
but I don't really like to put labels on things. I do what makes me feel
comfortable." And as to what makes her feel comfortable, the selfie. She
says quote, "I've taken them. I've chosen to put them out there. I like
them. I'm proud of them. I think there's power in that. Even if it's
objectifying myself, I'm OK with that." Dana, your thoughts on this

PERINO: If she had come out and endorse a republican, the ridicule from the
left especially women, would have been vicious. But instead now they will
embrace her.

BOLLING: Where -- yeah, what's going to happen with the feminists? Are they

WILLIAMS: I know most American women. I've seen polls don't want to be
identified as feminist. They identify with a lot of goals of feminism, but
they find the moniker too harsh. What interested me here was that said she
has -- I can't believe its 94 million followers on social media? 94

BOLLING: She's popular.

WILLIAMS: Is that -- wait, wait. Is that more popular than you?


BOLLING: Probably all of us put together, maybe.


BOLLING: But very, very successful.

GUILFOYLE: The power of.

BOLLING: K.G., she can say these things.


BOLLING: And rack up the bucks. She makes tens of millions a year.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. I mean, look, she's a businesswoman. I mean, but do you
remember originally? She was friends with Paris Hilton. She was helping her
with her closet and organizing, designing and from that.

BOLLING: That's how it all started.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. And then it's like the Ray J situation and the video. Then
it went from there. I'm not kidding.

WILLIAMS: You know what she had advice for you.

GUILFOYLE: This how it happened.

WILLIAMS: Because remember yesterday.

GUILFOYLE: Advice for me.

WILLIAMS: Remember yesterday you were playing with the selfie stick?


WILLIAMS: Yes. So she has a book out. The reason she's doing all this is
because she's got a book out.


WILLIAMS: About selfies. And she says the key to good selfies is lighting.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, I bet. And I think a lot of filters and whatever.

WILLIAMS: No. She said she doesn't use filters.

GUILFOYLE: By the way, as for being a feminist, I mean, look who she's
married to? Like Kanye, little misogynistic, improper rap lyrics, just

WILLIAMS: All right.

PERINO: I'm sure Hillary will think he's great.


GUTFELD: Like going.

PERINO: She got it. She got the endorsement.

GUTFELD: Going to Kim Kardashian for political analysis is like going to a
morgue for conversation. The one criticism I have for her because she is
business person, I like that, is the creation of artificial reality. The
fact her reality show is somehow real, when in fact, it's just as contrived
as any scripted show. And it's led to a generation of people who now
overdramatize everything when they get in fights because they always feel
they're on TV. So whenever they're in an argument, they're always yelling
at each other. Or instead of yelling, they throw a glass of champagne in
your face because that's what they see on TV.

BOLLING: Like The Real Housewives.


BOLLING: And Kim K, all right. Jimmy Fallon, he is funny. Here he is doing
Seinfeld on Uber, Seinfeld doing Uber.



JIMMY FALLON, COMEDIAN: What's the deal with Uber?


FALLON: You get in someone else's car it's all what you got on this. We're
doing everything we're told not to do as children.


FALLON: We're literally getting a stranger to lure us into the car. What
kind they have to learn? Nothing, people.




BOLLING: And apparently Fallon is mysterious, too. Last Friday night's show
was canceled with Fallon tweeting this picture on the same day. He says he
got his ring caught on a table.


BOLLING: During a fall and almost ripped his finger.


BOLLING: From his hand. All seemed to be OK. But now there are reports that
tonight's show will go dark for three weeks, one week past the schedule.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, that was terrible.

BOLLING: Two week hiatus. Well, let's hear K.G.'s dream first.

GUILFOYLE: No. I was sort of a private comment. I was saying I had a dream
about Jerry Seinfeld last night.



BOLLING: Do you want to weigh in on Jimmy Fallon's mysterious absence from
the tonight show?

GUILFOYLE: I don't know. Something about his finger, whatever, I was just
thinking about my dream. It's like.


GUILFOYLE: He was my dentist or he was pretending to be a dentist so he
could have alone time with me. And then he was like wearing this weird
outfit and then he was like putting things into my mouth. It's like.


GUILFOYLE: It was really scary.

BOLLING: So you just (inaudible).



BOLLING: I'm sorry. It's like.

GUILFOYLE: And then we kind of fell in love. It was weird.

BOLLING: He -- now he was also.

also Jimmy Fallon -- sorry.


BOLLING: Was also seen around town having a few cocktails in some clubs and
what not, almost ripped his fingers, our thoughts.

GUTFELD: You could say he's Fallon and he can't get up.

BOLLING: That night.


GUTFELD: I don't believe in clumsiness. I don't think there's such a thing
as clumsiness. It's a cover for being tipsy. So what, he was out on the
town had a few beers and fell. Who hasn't done that at least three times in


GUTFELD: Kimberly?


GUTFELD: And Dana.


GUTFELD: He might have been drunk. Who knows? But you know what? He'll be




PERINO: I just think that -- it's like, wait. Can I just go on his Uber
comment about getting into cars with strangers? That's absolutely true. It
does cross my mind sometimes and oh, black car, mysterious, dark windows.
Please pick me up and they pay you.

GUTFELD: Why does it have to be black?

PERINO: The car?


PERINO: It's like black.

GUTFELD: Why does it have to be black? Oh, I guess it was a white car it
would be OK. Oh, Dana, you are so racist.

BOLLING: And the.




WILLIAMS: Well, you know what caught my attention was -- but I tell you,
today is my anniversary, right?

GUILFOYLE: (inaudible) segment.

WILLIAMS: But my wife gets mad at me because I don't wear a ring. But I'd
never like it. I don't wear chains, rings.

PERINO: A lot of guys don't wear rings.

WILLIAMS: OK. But so according to the story about him, he fell and as he
was falling the ring got caught. And that's what jammed the finger.

BOLLING: At the table, right?

WILLIAMS: Right. And that's what -- but I don't know how credible.

BOLLING: So it should be the case for now, and now wearing rings?

WILLIAMS: No. I'm just through. That's not the point. Thank you.

BOLLING: I've gone through all.

WILLIAMS: Charles Darwin here. But no, what I'm saying is, I think if the
man could have had an accident. He didn't have to be drunk, Gregory.

GUTFELD: That's true. That's true.

WILLIAMS: People have accidents.

GUTFELD: I was just hypothesizing.

WILLIAMS: Hypothesizing?


WILLIAMS: That's a big word.

GUTFELD: Thank you.

GUILFOYLE: Looks really painful. I hope he's OK.

BOLLING: Yeah, I mean, can I --

WILLIAMS: Yes, especially if he's doing dental work on you.

BOLLING: I guess you have to make fun of him for awhile. He's a comic,

GUTFELD: I guess.
PERINO: He's not going to lose his finger.

BOLLING: All right, we'll leave it right here.

GUTFELD: He has lost his finger before.

GUILFOYLE: No. That's Fallon's finger, not Seinfeld's.

GUTFELD: All right.


BOLLING: We can go now?
BOLLING: It's all right. Here we go again, the state department releasing a
new batch of Hillary Clinton's e-mails. Coming up, the proof that when
Hillary speaks about her time as secretary of state, she do it with


PERINO: Back in May, Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton was asked about
her relationship with the guy called Sidney Blumenthal. He's a former
confidant found advising her following the attack in Benghazi, listen.


HILLARY CLINTON, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It's important when you get into
politics to have friend you had before you were into politics. And to
understand what's on their minds. And he's been a friend of mine for a long
time. He sent me unsolicited e-mails which I passed on in some instances.


PERINO: This counsel came despite President Obama, specifically barring
Blumenthal from working in his administration. Last night, the State
Department released three thousands of pages of e-mails from her tenure as
secretary of state and it turns out Blumenthal's correspondent to Clinton
went beyond Libya into optics for instance. He said, "This speech can't
afford to be lackluster. It will then be held up to invidious comparisons
to Obama's glittering best efforts." Now to me, Kimberly.


PERINO: That is not an e-mail that you send that is unsolicited.

GUILFOYLE: Right. I mean she just.

PERINO: They're obviously having a conversation.

GUILFOYLE: Here's the deal. So she knew like gig was up. That she's gonna
be busted because she knew exactly what she was doing with him. So there's
always some sort of side-stepping explanations, like shades of truth and
then darkness of lies. This is what happens with her. So she's like knows
that she got hook with him -- stop making weird faces at me. So she knows
they're going to say oh, you were getting some of this from him, weren't
you? And she's like, well, this was unsolicited. He was just sending this
to me. I didn't ask for it. But this shows that it once again, she's not
telling the truth.

PERINO: Do you think there's anything that she said about these e-mails
that is actually gonna turn out to be true, aside from the fact that she's
edited (ph) her server?


PERINO: Perhaps?

GUTFELD: Yes, she lied. She lied about everything. What I find interesting
about the e-mails that you see, that there were meetings that were
scheduled and then she would find out they were canceled. Like she tries to
find a meeting and they would be canceled. And then she would ask about a
meeting and they would say no, that's not important. You realize she's the
employee at work, which is at the State Department. She's the employee that
you steer important stuff away from. She's -- remember, did anybody watch
Office Space?


GUTFELD: She's Milton Waddams. You know the Waddams, the guy that they
marginalized in the broom closet. They're constantly moving stuff away from
her because they don't want her involved. They put Biden charge of Iraq. I
mean, which was a slap in the face. Also.

GUILFOYLE: Well, maybe he should be the VP.

GUTFELD: There you go. Blumenthal by the way, he is (inaudible). If she's a
fellow, (inaudible), he's the one that whispering in her ear all the things
that she should be doing. And then the media, how are they going to play
this? Their strategy is, make this a right-wing driven story. Even though
it's the time that keeps breaking it, they're going to make it sound like
it exists only in the FNC bubble. And that if anybody else covers this
story, they're just idiots. It's just the way they were idiots about IRS or
Benghazi. That's how they're gonna win.

PERINO: We're gonna take a look at this explanation. So David Axelrod, he
was the president's adviser. He was asked about whether or not he knew
about Hillary Clinton's private e-mail account and the server. And former -
- being former, he's out it for awhile -- out of the job for about three
years now. He said, "I didn't know." Listen.


you know, I was there, I was a senior adviser. I didn't know that.

you were there.

AXELROD: The question is.

BRZEZINSKI: If you did find out when you were there, would you say, hey,
whoa. Wait a minute. It got (ph) should we all talk about this?


AXELROD: I might have asked a few questions about that.


PERINO: Well, some of Hillary's e-mails that were released last night were
actually from David Axelrod and he was asked about that earlier today.


AXELROD: Most people in the government had private accounts for private
sorts of e-mails. I've always said that I knew she had that account. What I
didn't know is that she used that account exclusively. And I certainly
didn't know that she had her own server. Those were things I just learned
with everybody else.


GUILFOYLE: It's so upset.

PERINO: Are you buying that?

BOLLING: So some very important things came out today, with these e-mails.
Number one, remember when Hillary Clinton said there is nothing classified
in any of the e-mails? But we found out there were 25 e-mails that were
either partially or fully redacted because they contain classified
material. Number two, this was very early on. This is the very beginning of
the State Department when she first started to go there, so. And then we're
going to get, you know 3 or 5,000 every month going forward. We're going to
get more and more. So we're going to see how it develops. It's painting a
very interesting picture. Greg points out that maybe she wasn't as informed
as you would hope your top diplomat would be. But I'm very curious to see
how Sidney Blumenthal's role plays out going forward. And number three, the
same -- this is really disturbing. The same person who was responsible for
the Lois Lerner e-mails that evaporated and got blown or lost, after they
were subpoenaed by congress, that same Catherine Duval is the one who is
overseeing this e-mail release or how document dump in every month. You
have to wonder if she did it before, and if there's any funny business that
went on before with Lois Lerner, which a lot of us do is there going to be
the same amount of cover up or games being played with these e-mails.

PERINO: You can imagine, Juan if the White House is probably not very happy
at the moment.

WILLIAMS: No, because she broke the rules. I mean, you know, you asked Eric
earlier, do you buy this about Axelrod's statement? But Dana, if I send you
an e-mail, I know, oh, Dana has a secret or private e-mail account, OK. But
I don't know that the server is necessarily different.

PERINO: Correct.

WILLIAMS: I don't know that. So I mean.

PERINO: But that really wasn't the question.


PERINO: No. I mean, that wasn't the original question. To all -- when her
e-mails, private e-mail account, the questions at the White House briefing
included the question of, did you guys know about her secret e-mail

WILLIAMS: A private, yes.

PERINO: Private. And then they all avoided it. They all say the same thing.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, but I think people knew about it.

PERINO: But you're like nobody -- I don't know where Greg's private server


GUILFOYLE: Oh, yes. That will do.

PERINO: Kimberly, you can win this.

WILLIAMS: Oh, you do?

GUTFELD: Victor (ph).

PERINO: Let me tell you, in a court of law that would not hold up. Am I

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, no. I think its nonsense. And you know, the more that this
comes out and it gets exposed, the sooner the better. And then Biden's
going to get in and then it's just going to be.

WILLIAMS: But let me just finish up my thought, which is.

GUILFOYLE: Go ahead.

WILLIAMS: This has nothing to do with Benghazi. That's what this was all


WILLIAMS: Oh, it's what we all.


BOLLING: When Benghazi is like.

WILLIAMS: This is going to really reveal that Hilary Clinton was.


WILLIAMS: This has zero.

BOLLING: Stop it.

WILLIAMS: This is all.

BOLLING: This is 2009. This is the very beginning of her.


BOLLING: This is.
WILLIAMS: This is what you're not. Look.

BOLLING: No, no.

WILLIAMS: Let me just say, nothing. Well, great.

BOLLING: We haven't done to Benghazi yet.

WILLIAMS: OK. So all this is about is, she lost to Obama and she was felt
like she was an outsider in the Obama camp and that's why it's all about
logistics and am I invited to this meeting or not.

BOLLING: It was just the first few weeks of her tenure as a secretary of

WILLIAMS: Well, All right. And then the second thing this is about its
Blumenthal and I find that relationship very troubling. And I think it's
troubling that she thinks she can play by her own rules. If that's what
this point is I agree.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you, rest there.



PERINO: But Eric is also right. I mean, this is just every month they're
supposed to release.

WILLIAMS: Yes, 3,000 a month.

PERINO: another thousand of e-mails, so.

GUILFOYLE: This is just the first batch.

PERINO: But he is pointing out, this is just the beginning.

GUTFELD: And by the way, Blumenthal will matter when Benghazi, since he is
probably the one who is responsible for coming up with pushing the video.

GUILFOYLE: The puppet is on it.

PERINO: And he was getting the money from Libya, get money from the Clinton
Foundation and advising on optics about a Libya speech?

GUILFOYLE: Oh my, gosh.

BOLLING: Can I make one more quick point?

GUILFOYLE: Highly inevitable.

BOLLING: Think about this. This going to go on and it's chronological.
These documents are going to get dumped every month?


BOLLING: Well, you're looking right into the election. It some really,

PERINO: And still they don't care.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, you know why? Because did you see polls today?


WILLIAMS: She's up plus 13 on Bush.


WILLIAMS: Plus 17 on Rubio, plus 19 on Walker.

GUTFELD: But Bernie Sanders. Don't count him out.

WILLIAMS: Is that your hope, Gregory?

GUTFELD: yeah, I love his chicken.

PERINO: One of the things that --


PERINO: Real quick. One of the things that found out in the e-mails is that
-- people do this if they have an assistant, right. Write an e-mail and
say, hey, could you go get me an iced tea or whatever. She does this. What
would you ask for? Not an iced tea, I imagine.

GUTFELD: No. And I can't say that on air.

PERINO: Really?

GUILFOYLE: He'd ask for a Percocet (ph).



GUILFOYLE: That's what he asks for.

PERINO: All right. Ahead on "The Five," the Oklahoma Supreme Court ruled
Against --

GUTFELD: Terrible.

PERINO: Religious statue at their state capital. And critics argue the
decision represents an attack on Christian values. We're going to debate
that next.

GUTFELD: Terrible.


GUILFOYLE: Another big Supreme Court decision. This time at the state level
in Oklahoma, the court there ruling 7-2 that the 10 commandments statue
currently on capital grounds must be removed. The monument was a privately
funded gift. But the justices said the state constitution prohibits the use
of public property to directly or indirectly benefit a church or religion.
Here's one state representative who calls it a slap in the face.


MIKE RITZE, OKLAHOMA STATE REPRESENTATIVE: If you forget your history then
you forget your future. As an army veteran and having two great
grandfathers in the war for independence, I find it really odd at the eve
of the birthday of our -- the founding of our country coming up, this
decision coming out. This is kind of a slap in the face for all those that
fought for freedom.


GUILFOYLE: All right, Eric, your thoughts on this, the 10 commandments.

BOLLING: I mean the rule is very clear because it has a religious meaning
to it, it's not -- they're not going to allow. Doesn't matter who paid for
the monument and it matters where it was. And it was on.


BOLLING: And it was on state grounds. So they knew it had to probably go.
I would -- look. I'm as religious as anyone comes, but I understand why
they're doing what they're doing. They do the same thing at Christmastime
with nativity scenes. A nativity scene will show up at a courthouse
somewhere or a state building, and they'll have to be removed.

We know the rules. If you don't like the rules get them changed. And the
way to do that is vote the people in that will change the way they vote on
things -- issues like this. Get it done.

GUILFOYLE: It's just not nice to be mean to baby Jesus.

BOLLING: It's not nice. Correct.

PERINO: Or Moses.


PERINO: Of the commandments.

GUILFOYLE: Moses -- Yes. Moses is not in the nativity scene. But it's
Jesus, Mary and Joseph.

PERINO: A donkey.

GUILFOYLE: Sweet donkey like in "Shrek."

OK. Go ahead.


GUILFOYLE: The donkey in "Shrek."

WILLIAMS: You know what interests me about this? Two things. One is the
Supreme Court has said you can have some historical monuments that have
religious background on public grounds, to Eric's point.

But in this case, from what I've read in the news, the state Supreme Court
in Oklahoma said this was in violation of a state law. So even if you say,
"We don't like it," you're really talking about Oklahoma state law. And
your argument is with the Oklahoma courts, not the national government and
not the Supreme Court of the United States.

The other thing to say is, as I recall, is it judge Roy Moore down in
Alabama who got in all that trouble...


WILLIAMS: ... because he wanted the Ten Commandments on the wall in the

PERINO: Right.

WILLIAMS: Now, he's the same guy that's fighting the gay rights decision
and trying to delay and resist that. It's like is this -- is this a
political movement, more so than a religious movement? I think it's

GUILFOYLE: Interesting. That was a really good assessment. Thanks, Juan.

GUTFELD: I think that the reason why the people don't like the Ten
Commandments is it's too judgmental. I think if you rename it, soften it,
call it the Ten Helpful Suggestions. Instead of thou shalt not kill, it's

PERINO: Be a No. 1 best seller.

GUTFELD: Yes, just like, you know, think about not hurting anybody. That
kind of thing. You know, honor your mother and father. Just be polite. I
don't know.

Whether you're religious or not, you have to admit that the Ten C's, as I
like to call them, are pretty universal. It's just something that, even if
you're not religious like I am, you know that it had an impact in your life
growing up, and it played a role in the country's founding -- you know
where I am on this. I'm agnostic. But if atheists want to be the next
group to gain acceptance, might want to lighten up a little on some of
these things.


GUTFELD: Just kind of like you, because I understand the principle, and
Eric is right. The principle, this is what you do. This is the right
thing. But at some point it's like do you have to chase every single one?
Can you just like -- who is it hurting? I don't know.

BOLLING: Can I bring something up very quickly? The thing that Dana
mentioned yesterday, the Supreme Court is going to hear on the unions, the
teacher that wants to not pay dues? This is going to be monumental. I
hope we do something. Maybe we can talk about this tomorrow. Big, big
Supreme Court case coming up.


GUILFOYLE: It will be exciting. It will be one to watch.

See, the problem is people are very passionate about their religion. So it
feels like it's constantly religion under attack, under assault in this
country, right? And like you're saying, if you want to be a group that
gains acceptance, why do you have to constantly push the point, throw it in
the face? Like, what are you trying to achieve ultimately? Why is it so
necessary for them to strip other people of their religious beliefs?

GUTFELD: Well, I mean, but like Eric said, which I -- it's a principle.

GUILFOYLE: In this instance, they have -- they're on solid legal grounds.

WILLIAMS: You know, but there's a conservative argument that I really have
been taking to heart. Which is that, in the aftermath of the gay rights
decision, you want to make sure that people don't attack the church as an


WILLIAMS: That there's so much good in our society.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you. So true.

WILLIAMS: And I couldn't agree more. But I haven't seen it. Now you say
you're worried about it, Kimberly. I just haven't seen that anyone that
wants to go and attack my church. I don't feel under attack.

GUILFOYLE: They want to go after the tax-exempt status.

WILLIAMS: Of the churches?


WILLIAMS: I've not seen that.

GUILFOYLE: OK. All right. Well, this is an interesting discussion.

But coming up, are you ready for this one? We're going to show you some
new research on how watching cat videos can actually affect your health.
Greg is going to explain next.


GUTFELD: So researchers have found that watching Internet cat videos makes people feel less anxious and angry. The short-term uplift outweighed any guilt you might feel from skipping work to watch these videos.

Now of course, we know that looking at cute things makes you feel good. It's why I have mirrors all over my house. But it did it ever occur to you that the anxiety and anger that those videos might block is meant to be experienced?

For example, does looking at cat videos make you feel better than paying your bills or cutting those overgrown shrubs? Do they bring more bliss than reading a book or doing anything constructive? Maybe you should do those things instead.

I'm not bashing cat videos, mind you, Kimberly.


GUTFELD: But reminding you that only productive work brings real satisfaction. It's a huge error to think that what feels good actually does good.

Activities that demand effort and attention create something more important than happiness. It's called satisfaction, which you don't get from the unlimited faucets of cat videos, pornography or Netflix binges.
Disciplined activity creates a disciplined life. Unlimited stimuli, however, creates zombies.

And that's what we should really be looking at. What happens to the world's greatest country when so much of our lives is spent on the receiving end of temporary novelties that do nothing but fill buckets of time until death?

So laugh at the cat videos all you want. But in 20 years, our robot overlords will be laughing at videos of us.

PERINO: The visual is kind of good.

GUTFELD: It is. Could you see robots watching human videos? While we're
going, like -- walking around like this doing stupid things? Yes, that's
going to happen. Because we're too busy -- now we're receptacles for junk.

PERINO: It's true. Jasper likes to watch cat videos.

GUTFELD: Of course he does.

PERINO: I have a picture. No, honestly, that's -- he has the intelligence
of a 1-year-old. Right?


PERINO: So he likes to watch cat videos, and I like to let him do it.

This month's edition of "Foreign Policy" magazine...


PERINO: ... had a big piece about the future of work and how robots -- and
will robots be changing the way we work. And there's a guy in there who
has an essay who says this is actually great news that robots are going to
be taking over all these jobs. Because then it will leave more time for
humans to do leisure activities and pursue things that they care about.
They're not going to do that.


PERINO: They're going to watch cat videos all day.

GUTFELD: Robots are now watching cat videos. You know that. That is a
fact, and you can Google that.

I have an economics question for you, Eric, so look at them. Imagine
people watching cat videos on a microscale. What if -- couldn't it take
away from the economy on a macro level if you subtract time for 300 million
people? What could that do to an economy?

BOLLING: You jest.


PERINO: It's true.

BOLLING: However, take out cat video and replace pornography.

GUTFELD: Exactly.

BOLLING: You know what it's done. Pornography costs hundreds of billions
of dollars in productivity a year.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

BOLLING: Hundreds of billions.

GUTFELD: At least in my neighborhood.

BOLLING: So can we take one level down and take a deep dive?


BOLLING: Why does productive work satisfy one? Is it because you become a
better person or because you become more successful to buy things to
entertain yourself with?

GUTFELD: I don't think money...

BOLLING: Does it not come full circle?

GUTFELD: Maybe. But I always feel that the money is not important. You
always feel good after you achieve something.


BOLLING: Why, though?

GUTFELD: Because you're filling -- you're filling your soul bucket. Every
morning you wake up, and you've got to fill that bucket up with something.

BOLLING: What if you're achieving something in business, though? Is that
filling the soul bucket? You would say maybe not.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, yes, yes, yes. You can derive personal satisfaction and
happiness or excitement.

BOLLING: But are you sure it's not because...

GUILFOYLE: Entirely how you're wired.

BOLLING: ... you're becoming more successful, and then you can buy the
pair of shoes or the bigger apartment?

GUILFOYLE: Nope. Nope. Not for me. But it could be different for you.
I think you like your toys.

BOLLING: My point being, we -- and it comes back to am I trying to be
successful so that I can spend more time watching a cat video? Meaning
that's why...

GUILFOYLE: I've never sought out a cat video. I just am...

PERINO: But you're going to tonight.

WILLIAMS: I must say, so I saw somebody say everybody's watched a cat
video. And I can tell you in all honesty I never watched one.

PERINO: You have now.

WILLIAMS: Well, yes. Because I sat there watching.

PERINO: You got paid to do it.

WILLIAMS: Yes. Well, that's true.

PERINO: Amazing.

WILLIAMS: But Tony, my so, he loves these things. And we think he's weird
because of it. We just -- we can't understand. The guy is like a very
successful man, but he watches cat videos for days.

GUTFELD: Well, maybe that's like his medication.

GUILFOYLE: You're serious? Like a lot?

WILLIAMS: I don't get it. Like...

GUILFOYLE: You're saying he just, like, wants to watch it? Like, does he
seek it out over other things?

BOLLING: No. Actually what it is, is when Juan walks in the room he goes,
"Hey, Rafi, what are you watching?"

He goes, "Cat videos."


GUILFOYLE: Not Rafi, Tony.

PERINO: Protect Rafi.



GUTFELD: All right. Can I ask you, Kimberly, about anything at this

GUILFOYLE: Well, I mean, I don't know. I'm not really a cat person. But
I watch these videos because you put them on, and they're kind of weird.
But I don't know. I like dogs, and I like men in uniform.

PERINO: Dog videos are way better than cat videos.

GUILFOYLE: I like guns. That's it.

GUTFELD: Well, OK then. I like -- I like what are those? The slow loris
videos. Those are great.

PERINO: Those are good for your brain. The stimulation is amazing.

GUTFELD: Yes, that's so true.

PERINO: No wonder you're so smart.

GUTFELD: All right. Just stop it.

Coming up, Donald Trump addresses his $500 million lawsuit against
Univision. Meanwhile, another big company is cutting ties with the
presidential candidate. Details next.


WILLIAMS: Donald Trump made some controversial remarks about Mexican
immigrants during his 2016 announcement. Disappointed in those remarks,
Univision NBC announced they were dumping the Miss Universe pageant from
their broadcast. The Donald is not taking it lying down.


DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: That will be interesting to see
all that. Because Univision, I have a signed contract for five years on
the pageants. They have no right to terminate, and they terminated. And
they didn't even send me a letter. They terminated with a P.R. statement.
So we just sued them for $500 million.


GUILFOYLE: I love it.

WILLIAMS: Mr. Trump also claims -- you love it? OK. That two networks
were abandoning the 51 pageant girls.


TRUMP: We have 50 of the most lovely women you've ever seen right now in
Louisiana. And they have been abandoned by NBC and abandoned by Univision.
And I'm going to work it out so that that show goes on. But they have been
totally abandoned. Their parents are there; their families are there.
These are fabulous young women. And NBC didn't even think about that when
they did it.


WILLIAMS: Oh, no. The controversy doesn't end there. Just today, Macy's
said the company was ending their business relationship with Trump. Now
he's calling for a boycott of the store.

Kimberly, what do you think?

GUILFOYLE: Yes. I mean, look, if he's got a legal case, bring it. He can
sue. I mean, if they did not adhere to the contract, they violated it,
which is what he is suggesting, this is improper termination, improper
notification, pursuant to the contract terms, then bring the case. This is
how, you know, we correct bad behavior in the marketplace.

WILLIAMS: Now NBC and Univision say this is ridiculous. Eric.

BOLLING: Well, of course they're going to say that. They pulled the plug,
and Donald has a -- I guess, he has a legitimate lawsuit. I'm not sure if
they have any clause in there in the contract that says, if statements are
said that they find offensive that they can do it. They -- most contracts
have something stupid like that.

GUILFOYLE: Moral clause.

BOLLING: Morality clause. And then you go into some sort of fight and
negotiate something out.

But I love the fact that Donald Trump is doing this in the midst of
launching a presidential campaign. Most other candidates wouldn't do this.
They would shy away from it, and just go -- you ever notice you can say
some outrageous things about people? They'll sue you. You say outrageous
things about politicians, especially when they're running for something,
they don't sue you. Maybe hide it under the wood, under a rock. They run
from it.

Donald Trump is just being Donald Trump on and off the campaign trail. I'm
a fan.

WILLIAMS: So Dana, let's do the politics here. Donald Trump is now No. 2
among Republicans.

PERINO: And the lawsuit story actually helps keep him in the news. I
think a lot of the polls right now at this point in any presidential
election is about name I.D. And he has that in spades. And so he will
continue to be in the news for lots of reasons, including this one.

And also Hillary Clinton bringing him up today, making sure everybody knew
he is a Republican candidate, and she will continue to do that.

On his point about the contestants and them being abandoned by Univision
and NBC, that's true. But millions of Latinos feel embraced by NBC,
Univision and Macy's. So there is a mathematical equation that has to be -
- at least, I think, come to the forefront.

You can make a point and maybe feel that he has a good point. You can make
it more persuasively, and you have to get really specific if you plan to do

WILLIAMS: You know, Greg, he's really mad at Macy's, because the shirts
that are sold as Trump shirts and Trump ties are made in China. He never
liked that anyway.

GUTFELD: I know. So they're cutting all ties, literally.

The petition, by the way, is like something like two years old. So this
guy who's behind it has been waiting and waiting and finally got something.

But it's -- Donald has become something of, like, a human Confederate flag.
Now everybody has to decide whether they're with him or against him.

And I am concerned about the 51 abandoned pageant girls. Somebody's got to
find out where they are and, you know, offer them some housing. But you
make a legitimate point.

WILLIAMS: Is that you?

GUTFELD: There's a legitimate point to be made about the link between some
criminality and illegal immigration. At the beginning, I guess, the White
House has said they have released -- this was a couple of years ago. They
had released low-level criminals. And then we found out later, according
to the "USA Today," that there were -- that there might have been some
murderers and rapists.

You have to have the statistics and the facts at your fingertips when you
make these points, because it's a valid argument to make. But when you go
out there off the cuff, this is what happens. And you end up, in a weird
way, kind of poisoning what could have been a legitimate conversation or a

And now instead ,you have your supporters always having to defend you and
saying, "Well, that's not what he really said. That's not what he really
said." That's a candidate. That's a tough candidate to support if you're
constantly having to explain them.

WILLIAMS: I'm going to hire you as my defense lawyer.

BOLLING: You make a very good point. We did a segment on this show where
I think it was 1,600 hardened criminals. Illegal criminals with violent
crimes, is the reason why they're in jail. They were released to the

WILLIAMS: That's not -- what are you talking about? But anyway.

GUTFELD: I think he was trying to get -- the point is what we're doing now
is we're trying to explain the candidate instead of the candidate speaking
for us. That's a problem.

WILLIAMS: You're trying to help him. You're trying...

GUTFELD: I'm actually not. I'm actually being critical.

WILLIAMS: Oh, you're not? OK.

GUTFELD: I'm saying you need a candidate who speaks for you. You
shouldn't be having to defend a candidate. You need a candidate that you
don't have to do that.

WILLIAMS: Thank you. Thank you, my counselor.

If you want to catch more of the Donald, you will. Because he's going to
be "On the Record" tonight with Greta. Tune in at 7 p.m. Eastern right
here on the FOX News Channel.

"One More Thing" coming right at you.


BOLLING: Time for "One More Thing." And Greg starts.

GUTFELD: Big news in the movie business. "Magic Mike XXL," which is
basically the "Citizen Kane" of male stripper movies, premiered last night
and outdid the new "Terminator" movie, which is amazing. It's "The
Godfather" of table dancing movies, I might add, much like the first -- the
first "Magic Mike," which could be considered "The Gone with the Wind" of
striptease movies. Matthew McConaughey is no longer in this one, but I
think it's still going to do well, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: I think so. I saw "Magic Mike 1," and I watched it again on

GUTFELD: Really?

PERINO: Remember we were in Tampa...


PERINO: ... you wanted to take me to all those sites?

GUTFELD: I wanted to take you to where every -- where every scene was
filmed in "Magic Mike."

PERINO: Instead I was interested in the speeches at the RNC convention.

BOLLING: You're up.

GUILFOYLE: Shocking as that may be...

PERINO: I am heading to Patriots Point, South Carolina. It's right near
Charleston and Mount Pleasant, South Carolina. I'm going to join Heather
Childers for part of the Proud American events that FOX News is hosting
there. We're going to be there on Friday morning, 6:30 a.m. You can find
out more information, all about this on our web site, And
also tonight...

GUTFELD: I'll be with you. (ph)

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God. You Photoshopped me out.

PERINO: Tonight at 9:15 p.m. I'm going to leave here. I'm going to walk
down, and I'm going to do a Facebook Q&A all about the Fourth of July,
Proud Americans. Kimberly, anything you want to ask me about, I'll answer.

GUILFOYLE: All right. There you go. And I noticed that was a graphic you
and I used to share together, and I think you Photoshopped me out.

PERINO: No. We had another one.


PERINO: I would never do that to you.

GUILFOYLE: That's a great picture, though, by the way.

BOLLING: All right. You know, it's our responsibility, the media's
responsibility to ask the tough questions, to get the tough answers, let
the American people decide what's really going on with the president. So
in fact, it's the only job in the Constitution, the media job is, that's
protected in the Constitution. So watch CNN lapdog left-wing media fall
flat on their face asking President Obama this question yesterday.


JIM ACOSTA, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: I wanted to ask you about what
some people are calling your best week ever. It seems that you built up
some political capital for the remaining months of your presidency. I'm
curious how you want to use it.


BOLLING: Best week ever. There you have him. You have ISIS. You have
everything going on here. You have Supreme Court decisions and you go,
"Was last week your best week ever?" Good job, Jim Acosta. That
journalism degree you got from wherever you got it from.

PERINO: Remember when they asked him what enchants you?

BOLLING: What's your favorite color? "The View" asked him what his
favorite color was.

PERINO: What was it?

BOLLING: I don't remember. K.G.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Everybody like soccer? I love soccer. Women's soccer. I
played on an all boys' team, which was delightful. Well, the U.S. Women's
national team handed a big defeat to Germany last night. It was a
thrilling victory. They are advancing to the final of the women's World

And FOX Sports, Juan, big-time victory for them, as well, averaging 8.4
million viewers.


GUILFOYLE: And at the peak it was over 12 million.


BOLLING: Juanito.

WILLIAMS: What a thrilling victory. Anyway, it's -- next week is "Shark
Week" on TV. It's "Shark Week" now. A seventh person was attacked off the
coast of North Carolina today. A 60-year-old man bitten by a 6 to 7-foot
shark. You know they say there are more people in the water, more sea
turtles. And guess what? More sharks. Run! Run now!

BOLLING: That's it for us. "Special Report" on deck. See you tomorrow.

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