New book brings new trouble for Clinton campaign

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," April 20, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle along with Julie Roginsky, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

Hillary Clinton is in New Hampshire on the second leg of her 26th announcement tour. Her campaign is only one week old, but there's already trouble for her candidacy. A new book is coming out with bombshells about donations made to her family foundation called, "Clinton Cash." The New York Times got an advanced copy and says the book alleges foreign entities that donated to the Clinton Foundation got favors in return from Secretary Clinton's State Department. Fox News will have a special report on it this Friday night. Hillary was asked about it today.


HILLARY CLINTON, FORMER UNITED STATES SECRETARY OF STATE: Well, we're back into the political season and therefore, we will be subjected to all kinds of distraction and attacks and I'm ready for that. I know that that comes unfortunately with the territory.


GUILFOYLE: And I'm sure she wasn't disappointed to see that the White House has her back.


JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: I know there's been a lot of accusations made about this, but not a lot of evidence.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I thought it was a pretty simple question. Can you assure us that there was absolutely no favorable treatment given to donors of the Clinton Foundation?

EARNEST: Again, John, what I'm saying is there are a lot of accusations like this, but --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You cannot re-assure (ph).

EARNEST: Well --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's a pretty basic, I mean --

EARNEST: But John, there, there is nobody that much as (ph) than the evidence that indicates this. So, I don't want to be in the position of --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But you don't have it didn't happen.

EARNEST: Well, again, I'm not sure that there is anybody that has any tangible evidence indicates that it did.


GUILFOYLE: Real question. I mean look, Clinton's cash goes hand in hand, Clinton foundation, influence pedaling, but now there is a book about it Eric, tell us about the numbers.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Well, a ton of numbers on the broad comment. One of the most important things that came out of that New York Times article today, very important that that New York Times broke the story first. They quote Peter Schweizer saying, "We'll see a pattern of financial transactions involving the Clintons that occurred contemporaneously with favorable U.S. policy decisions benefiting those providing the funds." Now, that is paid to play, pay for play, that's illegal and already the left. The media matter is trying to spin it as Peter's Schweizer is a -- try to undermine his credibility. This is the guy who broke the story about the stock guy. Remember the stuff with Congress people who were actually -- doing stock transactions in front of legislation that were been and the legislation was benefiting their own stock accounts, he made that stock. He's credible. Some of the other books that have come out and people are pointing a finger at them, you may or may not buy into -- buy into the conspiracy theories. This guy is credible. For the record, I've been saying this, there, there are a lot of threads hanging from Hillary's sweater and now, finally this stewards (ph) are being pulled and there's a lot, a lot more that, I think they are gonna find us especially, when we get the full access to the book.

GUILFOYLE: All right, Dana Perino. So that was an interesting communications moment, wasn't it? Why is he answering those questions?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: I mean, you are talking about Josh Earnest.


PERINO: The White House press secretary and, maybe he feels like that's what they are going to do for the next 16 months, perhaps President Obama has said, you defend Hillary Clinton where you can. I just think that it is a dangerous strategy and that they ought to draw a firm and enforceable red line, about -- not talking about the campaign. There is no reason that the White House needs to be answering questions about Clinton foundation donations. That it has nothing to do with the -- the White House, hopefully, unless there's maybe that threatable (ph) but I doubt it. I think that they should just make a firm line and make them push back to all of the White House reporters and say -- I understand why you're asking me about Hillary Clinton, she's running for president, the president is not. Therefore, you gonna have to ask her campaign and just draw a firm line and not ever cross it.

BOLLING: Can I throw -- maybe a theory out there? Maybe because she was appointed by Barack Obama, they don't -- they don't want that -- hey, bad decisions making on Obama.

PERINO: It's a risk. What they just did is that they invited this entire thing into the White House.

GUILFOYLE: Right. Yeah, they opened themselves up. Now that -- when they gonna draw the line and say they won't answer the questions, but they already established with the bad precedent by answering these questions as if they had some kind of obligation to do so when these are questions about a campaign and not about her time specifically, as secretary of state, Greg.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: I salute her. She's a great capitalist. Are we sure it's not the Republican nominee?


GUTFELD: I mean this is kind of impressive. There are so many books.

GUILFOYLE: Very free market --

GUTFELD: On Hillary right now, I can't keep up. They should do a book on Bill and make it a pop-up -- that's what I'm thinking.


GUTFELD: The book -- but here's the issue, the book is not the problem. You got to think about what Hillary's main issue is right now. Her main clank (ph) is equal pay for women. She's campaigning for something that is already a law. Think about that.


GUTFELD: That's like maybe next week she -- she should come out against the draft. What she's doing right now is so irrelevant, that's the trouble. The trouble right now isn't this book. The trouble is she has nothing else, but perhaps her gender.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Well, maybe that will be enough. You never know.

GUTFELD: Maybe it will.

GUILFOYLE: Well, yeah --

GUTFELD: Better it cash than a trash.


JULIE ROGINSKY, GUEST CO-HOST: I don't know. The funny thing is --



GUILFOYLE: Now you are rhyming, it's getting --

ROGINSKY: Wow. That was like a rap. That was pretty good but --

GUTFELD: Thank you.


GUILFOYLE: Vanilla Ice. Mini Ice.

ROGINSKY: You know it's interesting to me to see if this one sticks, because if you go back to 20 -- not longer years of co-called Clinton's scandal. Whether it's the Rose Law from billing office, or it's the cattle futures which Greg pointed it out so nicely we're not really that futures of cattle last week. Or, if you -- you know, going down to Ben Foster was obviously a bogus scandal, and so on and so forth. None of them stuck and the question is, is this one gonna stick or should people actually start running on her, against her on substance?

PERINO: They stuck from Republicans, it didn't stick for Democrats.


PERINO: I think that's the distinction.

ROGINSKY: It maybe. But they haven't --


ROGINSKY: They haven't stuck for the Clinton's at all.

GUTFELD: One conspiracy stock.

GUILFOYLE: Well let's see, everybody remembers them all.


GUILFOYLE: That's the thing. It's like --


GUILFOYLE: It's like -- you know, best hits list or something like that. But let's --


GUILFOYLE: Let's talk more about Hillary --

PERINO: All right.

GUILFOYLE: Because I'm just getting started. Remember when Hillary made this wild statement about her family's wealth last summer?


CLINTON: We came out of the White House not only dead broke but in debt. We had no money when we got there, and we struggle to -- you know, piece together the resources for mortgages, for houses, for Chelsea's education, you know it was not easy.


GUILFOYLE: Now, although she herself said she regretted that remark, her surrogates are still perpetuating the claim.


GOV. TERRY MCAULIFFE, D-VA.: I cannot tell you the distress in that family at that time. With all of the issues and all the legal fees, banks refusing, even GITMO mortgage. So listen, people go through tough financial times. You remember -- I mean, Hillary's mother -- she was abandoned. That's why Hillary is out every single day talking to voters about how can I make your life better.


GUILFOYLE: All right. Meanwhile, the Democratic candidate attacked the wealth of the America's CEO's on the campaign trail last week.


CLINTON: There's something wrong when CEO's make 300 times more than the typical worker.


GUILFOYLE: Well, the Washington Examiner put together this interesting comparison with the salaries of 10 top CEO's and their average salaries. Per hour, it comes out to about $54,000. That is one-sixth of Clinton's $300,000 an hour speaking fee. I did not (inaudible) say. Can you imagine making that much money an hour?

GUTFELD: No. But you know some people were born with a silver spoon in their mouths. She happened to lead the White House with a silver spoon in her pocket.


GUTFELD: That could explain why she took everything, but --

GUILFOYLE: And a few other utensils.

GUTFELD: But again, I what -- you know, I know these things are -- these are interesting things but -- again, you've got to go back to what she's not talking about. And for example, she's not talking about foreign policy. She's not -- and she was secretary of state. That's a good doctor remaining silent on a plane when somebody is having a heart attack. You're the expert. You're supposed to be talking about this stuff, this was your job. But she's not talking about it, because she's incompetent and again, all she has left is her gender.

PERINO: One of the things about this that --

GUILFOYLE: You're hitting that point hard lately.



PERINO: It is said -- whether this sticks or not, I don't think that this going to be something that not necessarily becomes the front page story for the next 16 months. But does it continue to erode her trust and credibility, which were the numbers that we saw in the last several weeks because of the e-mail scandal and other things where -- she was dropping in key swing states. I think that's why they got the campaign going early. If you think about what happened to Mitt Romney with 4 percent, and basically the Democrats used that to bash him and define him early on. And what some of these things like the book and the e-mail stuff does, it does give you a chance to define a candidate. That's why you see the other Republicans who are going to have a very crowded field and a lot of competition, they are going to have to differentiate from each other, but there are also going to have to differentiate from her. And that's one of the problems of being the only person running for the democratic nomination that you're going to give all that fire power trained on you and that's what the -- defining moment of the campaign is important early on.

ROGINSKY: But here's the difference. She's already defined. People know her. They love her, they hate her. There are very few people who don't have an opinion on Hillary Clinton. Mitt Romney was not as well defined. No other candidate I think going back three or four years.

PERINO: Why is she going on a listening tour, then?

ROGINSKY: She going on listening tour because she obviously wants --

GUTFELD: Wants to talk?

ROGINSKY: But she needs a reason -- no. Because she obviously need, we've been checking out there.

BOLLING: As much as she redefines herself.

ROGINSKY: No, no, no. It's not because she wants to redefine herself, listen, she -- look at her poll numbers.

BOLLING: She wants to redefine herself as the woman of the (inaudible) --

ROGINSKY: No, it won't.

PERINO: That the whole point at going in Chipotle was to say, I don't get paid.


ROGINSKY: No, no, no.


PERINO: $300,000 an hour.

ROGINSKY: The whole point of this, she's already --

GUILFOYLE: Pokes Hillary.

ROGINSKY: She's already defined. So the difference with her is if I were the Republicans, I would actually tackle her on the issues, because you're not gonna -- you are not gonna attack her for her personality.


BOLLING: So she's defined.

ROGINSKY: You are not gonna attack her personality.

BOLLING: She defined as the $300,000 per hour speaker.


BOLLING: Also is the one who said, we were broke when we left the White House and we know that -- number one is agree, the status there is absolutely nothing to do with what she's trying to become on the campaign trail and number two, we were broke when we left the White House. You know, the $135 million that they made from 2001 to 2012 is one thing. I'm a capitalist. I'm all for that, knock yourself out. The problem that I have with all of this is during the time that Hillary was secretary of state. Bill Clinton had the higher speaker rate, only while she was --

PERINO: Of course.

BOLLING: Secretary of State and jumped over $500,000. He did 11 speeches during that time and a lot of people are saying, the reason why he was, he was getting such high speaker rates is because a lot of that money was going back into the Clinton Foundation and there was some sort of payback going back to the --


GUILFOYLE: And it is pretty good pay -- that is a pretty good pay.

BOLLING: We are paying 500,000.

GUILFOYLE: Right? I mean come on, they are married. It says, let's not be so naive about this, muah, muah, muah, muah. Well, a slew of GOP contenders were also in New Hampshire over the weekend and Clinton's name came up quite a bit.


CARLY FIORINA, FORMER HEWLETT-PACKARD CEO: Hillary Clinton must not be president of the United States.

(APPLAUSE) FIORINA: She will pursue a set of policies that crush possibilities and the potential of this great nation.

SEN. MARCO RUBIO, R-FLA.: Hillary Clinton is going to raise $2.5 billion which -- that is a lot of Chipotle, my friends.


SEN. TED CRUZ,R-TEXAS: There's a little bit startled, because I could have sworn I saw Hillary's Scooby doo van outside.


SEN. RAND PAUL, R-KY.: I'm starting to worry that when Hillary Clinton travels, there's going to need to be two planes, one for her and her entourage and one for her baggage.


GUILFOYLE: Oh my, gosh. That was --

ROGINSKY: You know what? Those are good ones with Rand Paul, but here's the problem, exactly what I just said. They didn't go and take shots at her and they are going to do it very nicely with the Republican base and that's great and that's gonna help them with their base but, probably Carly Fiorina is only one there that is actually did something who is gonna advance the cause and that's talking about the issues and why she must not be president, because the issue she has (inaudible). Not because of her Scooby van or because of her baggage. Again, I'm saying that I'm taking up my partisan hat. I'm putting on my campaign hat. The way to beat Hillary Clinton is if you want to address the issues. You are not going to beat her by going after her personality, because it's already defined. Love or hate her.

GUILFOYLE: And it's safer for a colleague to do that, because it's a mano o mano, one woman against --

PERINO: A mana a mana.

BOLLING: There is one other group that had a comment about Hillary. It's Hookers for Hillary, doubt if you haven't notice that. Then she got the bunny ranch support. That was huge.

PERINO: That's what happening (ph).

BOLLING: Bill Clinton was all thumbs up for that.

GUILFOYLE: The swing vote.


BOLLING: I will talk -- I will make one point. All of these Republicans we keep seeing, they are all raising money right now.


BOLLING: You very careful how you raise your money. Make sure all your teas are crossed and dried are dotted properly, because God forbid that some money comes in from the wrong places. They are gonna -- the left, it will destroy you. So just be careful.


BOLLING: Republicans.

PERINO: Well, I think that they are talking about the issues and for sure - - at this point in a campaign, there are all -- it's basically like at the beginning of a big marathon. So they are trying to -- they are all starting from the same place. They are starting to raise some money. One guy moves ahead and another one moves forward. They are all getting a little bit of room, and they of course, they are going to talk about her because they are trying to -- the Republican audiences, when they are talking to them, they don't necessarily want to know, how exactly are you different from Rubio or Cruz or Rand Paul or Jeb Bush or whoever it might be. They want to know, how could you beat Hillary Clinton? That's why they are talking about her. Of course they are.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. There you go.

GUTFELD: I'm interested in the criticism of the critics and we predicted so long time ago that there would be immunity blanket throwing around Hillary based on accusations of sexism, more in doubt (ph). This weekend, claim -- this is what she wrote. She claims, she claimed that the rivals are Republican rivals will come up with every misogynous thing they can throw at her. So that means any criticism. Anything directed at her is misogynous stick. Which is in a weird way is misogynous stick, that more in doubt would think that every criticism is anti-woman, because she's basically saying that Hillary is incapable of absorbing legitimate criticism. She is too weak. The GOP should focus less -- I agree with you, on her and more on the overall message of the Democratic Party which is a hard left organization bent on division. You have -- you focus on that, then the -- inevitable conclusion is unity, and the person who can best create evocative message on unity will win the nominee and probably win the country.

GUILFOYLE: Do all of that. Take it back 2016. Ahead, the fed nabbed six men from Minnesota who allegedly gearing up to go fight for ISIS overseas. And later, something you're not gonna want to miss. A special look at some of Dana's time in the White House and more, as her new book comes out tomorrow. She's excited to tell you all about it, so do not go away.


GUTFELD: The Army privates shot at Little Rock Recruitment Center six years ago will finally receive their Purple Hearts. Private William Long was killed and Private Quinton Ezeagwula was wounded when a radical Muslim opened fire on them. This is Long's dad, Daris.


DARIS LONG, FATHER OF WILLIAM LONG: It's been five years, eight months and 16 days since my son was killed and we've been fighting this all the way.


GUTFELD: So why did it take so long? Well, the administration thought it didn't occur in combat, despite the shooter declaring his jihadism, which sounds combative to me.

But no matter, we have a hard time identifying evil you know when it is so badly wants us to. This weekend, yet again, ISIS beheaded more Christians. If that's JV then Lizzie Borden was a troubled teen. And in Pakistan, a woman missed her curfew so her husband burned her alive. Awful stuff.

Yet we prefer damning our own problems instead, as though they are equal. The media ask if a candidate will attend a gay wedding, but not his thoughts on Islamic intolerance. I get it, that stuff is far, far away, except that it's really not.


ANDREW LUGER, U.S. ATTORNEY: They have spent a great deal of time over the past year trying to get to Syria to fight for ISIL. They have tried to leave the United States from our airport here in Minnesota, from JFK airport in New York, by bus, by car and by any means possible.

They were not confused young men. They were not easily influenced. These are focused men intent on joining a terrorist organization.


GUTFELD: And so, as we catch more terrorists in America, we realize 2016 isn't about politics, but priorities. The Dems offer an inverse pyramid, a teetering joke that at its top is climate change, which is really retribution. Then economic inequality, which is really retribution. And then justice, which is yes -- retribution. See that tiny space on the bottom marked "other"? That's what you might find terror, next to gum disease of the aardvark.

No wonder it took so long for an act of war to be deemed so. In this pyramid, such matters are not visible until the whole thing collapses, and surely it will. All right, K.G., six Minnesota men charged - Monday, providing material support, they will gonna go join ISIS. I always wonder, why don't we let them join?

GUILFOYLE: Well that's been your theory that in fact we should go, here you go. Let them go over there -- yes, keeping them out of the country. The problem is these are the people that we're catching. Think about those that are here that amongst (inaudible) we're not even aware of, that are slipping through the cracks. Those are the ones that you got to worry about, because they are gonna commit acts, the fact that this is happening -- and by the way, Minnesota got a problem, this is not the first time to have everything that happened. There is this serious indoctrination and problem in this country, they for sure have it there. You have teenage girls and everybody somehow becoming enamored with this, and of course, the news that's happened over the weekend, with the concerted effort and organization, putting up to social media, from different other sites and other factions all in the name of ISIS. It's very alarming and I really want to know what we are doing about it to be -- be careful and say they didn't catch it before its look it's too late and pre-empt.

GUTFELD: Julie, my theory is the first candidate to strongly confront terrorism is going to be the nominee, but you can't be anti-terror if you're on the hard left Democratic Party can you?

ROGINSKY: You can't be anti-terror?


ROGINSKY: Well, we have our president, I think it was very easy on being is being anti-terror. You might disagree with that, but look we haven't had a terrorist attack on our soil since.


PERINO: OK. All right, all right, In Fort Hood.

ROGINSKY: All right Fort Hood.

BOLLING: Says what?

ROGINSKY: Excuse me, Fort Hood.

PERINO: Boston?

ROGINSKY: Yes, yes, yes. Boston was a different story. I would not -- Fort Hood I'll give you --


BOLLING: Little Rock. They were terrorists and they --

ROGINSKY: I'm sorry. They were terrorist, they were terrorist, but that's --- listen, they were that -- it is in Fort Hood, Fort Hood you're right.

PERINO: Maybe yard?

ROGINSKY: But, what I would say to you is this.

BOLLING: We had in Oklahoma?

ROGINSKY: She had -- all right, all right, but you --


ROGINSKY: OK. I know now 9/11 started -- George Bush presidency started at 9/12 the death of 9/11, so let's see you know (inaudible). We have not a mass terrorist attack -- excuse me, since 9/11. You are right we've had other terrorist's attacks.

BOLLING: A mask? When did it become mass --

ROGINSKY: OK. All right.

GUTFELD: Can I look --


ROGINSKY: Let's move on. My point is, any president on any watch, I don't care if you're a Democrat or Republican, (inaudible) as much you would ever they can to try to avoid any kind of terrorist attack. I don't want to make this partisan issue where as Hillary Clinton is the next president, whether it's Martin O'Malley, whether it's Bernie Sanders who is left as it gets. Or whether it's Rand Paul or whether it's Ted Cruz who is as right as it gets, all of these people will be committed to stamping out terrorism. I don't think nobody can say this is a partisan issue, because it really isn't. I mean just --

GUTFELD: I guess -- when I, when I, Eric, when I was talking about that pyramid, that pyramid is accurate about the priorities. It's not a part -- you may not say it's partisan or political, but that is how president Obama feels. Climate change is way more important than terrorism.

ROGINSKY: But how can you say that?

GUTFELD: He said it.


ROGINSKY: He has not said that.


PERINO: Yes, he did.

BOLLING: He walked into the office saying -- in outlined what his goals were for the next four or eight years and one of them was - you know basically saying, we want to embrace the Muslim as the Muslim community and not treat them like they are the enemy, and by doing so, maybe the policies over the last six years have opened the door for more terrorism at least to leave it here. Can I just point out James Comey says, he has 50 states under investigation.


BOLLING: He sells in 50 separate states.

ROGINSKY: Right. Whose appointee is he?

BOLLING: -- I don't know. Is he a Bush appointee?

ROGINSKY: James Comey?


COMEY: He's Barack Obama's FBI director.

BOLLING: OK, good. So --


BOLLING: There -- yes, yes 50 investigations and they are popping up everywhere.


BOLLING: That's the point.

ROGINSKY: The point is.

BOLLING: That's the --

ROGINSKY: That they are supposed to be investigating them. Of course they are popping out, but who's to be getting them?

BOLLING: And they are actually pursing them and actually coming to fruition in --

ROGINSKY: Great. I'm glad they are.

BOLLING: Can I point one thing out about the Christians that got beheaded over the weekend? I believe it is over the weekend. I would love to see ISIS. I would love to see them killed, murdered, taken apart. However, there's a Christian response to it that is amazing on the internet. Right now it's a group called If you watch it, you'll see the Christian response to ISIS. It's the best thing you ever seen if you are looking for a Christian solution (inaudible) problem.


PERINO: Well -- do you have a question for me?

GUTFELD: I was gonna ask you about the, the executions, the -- if you have been Christians in the fact that it's genocide. I mean -- but we don't seem to care. I don't think we care as a country because they are far away.

PERINO: One, one of the things that -- the first thing that happened in foreign policy in 2009 was the disillusion of the global war on terror, but if you look at all of the things that you just mentioned, all the places that we could name (ph), and pretty soon you get right back to a global war on terror.


PERINO: We just don't call it that.


PERINO: The other thing that is happening in the United States, and I would mentioned is a lot of these people recruiting ISIS are digital natives. They are faster than we are and they -- the government is lagging behind. Another problem is community involvement. One of the things you have to have is trust with the community to tell law enforcement that they suspect something that's happening in their communities. Moms don't want their kids to go fight with ISIS, but they also don't want their kids to go to jail. So the immigrant refugee community is clamming up and we don't have the way to get the Intel that we need. That's like for good government problem that we need to solve. Not a partisan one.

GUTFELD: Got to go. Stay tuned because next on The Five, Dana is going o tell you about her new book. I've read it. It's fantastic and talks about her time at the White House. I didn't know that you were at the White House.

PERINO: Oh, really?

GUTFELD: On, The Five.

PERINO: I was on it.


PERINO: OK. This is an exciting week for me, because my very first book comes out tomorrow. Fine, my only book. It's called "And the Good News Is: Lessons and Advice from the Bright Side." It's an autobiography that traces my journey from Wyoming to the White House. Chris Stirewalt of Fox News called it "Little House on the Prairie" meets "The West Wing."


PERINO: But it's also stories about what goes on behind the scenes right here on "The Five" and more. The producers did a great job. Here's a peak at what's inside my book.



PERINO (voice-over): The day I learned about becoming the next White House press secretary was the day I planned to resign from the White House. It was the summer of 2007. I'd been deputy press secretary for 2 1/2 years and with the Bush administration since right after 9/11. I served during a time of two wars, Supreme Court nominations, natural disasters, a major financial crisis and more. I didn't want to admit that I was tired, but one day that August I decided it was time.

I pulled the president's counselor, Ed Gillespie, aside, but to my surprise, he needed to tell me something first. Tony Snow, the current press secretary, was going to be leaving to focus on his health and family.  Had he been fighting a valiant battle against cancer, one he sadly lost less than a year later. President Bush had chosen me to succeed him. It was bittersweet but an overwhelming honor and an opportunity I knew I couldn't turn down.

GEORGE W. BUSH, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I've chosen Dana Perino. She can handle you all. What I look for in somebody like Dana is somebody to walk in that Oval Office and give me sound judgment and good advice.

PERINO: You never would have picked me out of a crowd and said, "She'll be White House press secretary one day," and that's what makes America so great. One day you're sitting on a barnyard fence, thinking you'll never leave home, and the next you're sitting on Marine One with the president of the United States. God bless America, indeed.

There was never a day when I didn't love my job, even on those more challenging ones with reporters. I traveled with President Bush at home and abroad to Africa, Europe and beyond, and even got to meet the queen.  It was an opportunity of a lifetime.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Would you do this job again?

PERINO (on camera): Oh, gosh, absolutely. I would. I would. But I wouldn't do it for anybody else.

(voice-over): In January 2009, I felt like everything was ending, and it was, but so much was beginning.

I was very busy in my post-White House life, launching a business, and I became a contributor on Fox News. Then, in 2011, while waiting for my bags after a trip to Nigeria, I got an unexpected call. Fox was trying out a temporary show called "The Five."

BOLLING: Hello, everyone. It's 5 p.m. on the East Coast, and this is "The Five."

PERINO: Four years later and you know the rest. It took a while for me to come out from behind my press secretary shell to just be myself. But soon enough, I had gone from spelling out words like "sex"...

(on camera): Sometimes you don't feel like having s-e-x.

(voice-over) ... and "hell"...

(on camera): There would be H-E-double hockey sticks to pay.

(voice-over): ... to becoming the first and only woman on "The Five" to get bleeped.

ERIC HOLDER, U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: You want to look at a politicized Justice Department, you look at the one that I inherited. All right?



GUILFOYLE: And this message from our sponsors.

PERINO (voice-over): I've never laughed so hard in a job.

(on camera): Violent moms...

GUTFELD: Go ahead, you can do it.

PERINO: I'm going to get fired.

(voice-over): Or gotten so fired up.

(on camera): I don't know who you're protecting. Are you trying to protect President Obama?

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: No, I'm not trying to protect anybody.

PERINO: I'm having a hot flash fever.

(voice-over): And that's usually when the look comes out. I've been told I was born with that face.

I'm so grateful to be a part of "The Five".

I got a brother I never wanted.

GUTFELD: She pole vaults with a toothpick. She snowboards on a lentil.  She jet skis on a seahorse, and she shoots pool with a pool stick. It's Dana Perino. This is "The Five."

PERINO: And even made my family pet a part of the show, America's dog, Jasper.

(on camera): Jasper made Valentines for these guys. Here's an example.  One for you. Bob, for you. I thought you would like this one.

BECKEL: This show has been hijacked by this dog.

PERINO: I don't know what's in store for the next chapter of my life, but the great news is, I'm not ready to turn the page on this one.


PERINO: So the producers put that together. Susan Mortine (ph) is really amazing. And I appreciate it. I think most of you have been able to read it. I'd love to -- Eric, you have read it over the weekend?

BOLLING: I read it over the weekend and this morning. Honestly, it's a fantastic book. I love the book. I've made sticky notes. Probably one of my favorite stories is you and your sister riding with your grandfather and...

PERINO: Right. When we were...

BOLLING: ... you had to pull over.

PERINO: ... on the ranch. And this is a story I just -- I looked back, and I thought this was kind of a defining moment for me when he was a wonderful rancher, very successful in New Castle, Wyoming, Leo Perino. And we were coming down a gravel road, and a horse had fallen through the cattle guard and broken its leg and he had to shoot it. And it was a moment where he tried to have me protect my sister from seeing it.

BOLLING: You realized life was a little tougher than...

PERINO: Yes. And a theme through the book is that I've learned that strength and gentleness go hand in hand.

BOLLING: Can I throw one more -- I wrote that down. One of the other things, you weren't a Republican your whole life, but it was a process?

PERINO: Yes. And I talked about how I ended up -- one of the things the book says is how does somebody like me, who grew up with that background and no political connections, end up working at the White House and then how I got to be here. So there's some practical advice in there. I think it's good for young people in particular. And Julie read it a while ago and I appreciate it.

ROGINSKY: No, I did and it was wonderful and not only your graciousness and what makes you a wonderful person come across -- it really does -- but for me as a Democrat, what was so striking to me is I, you know -- all of us who are -- especially on the other side of the aisle, have images of George Bush, President Bush, as this guy -- everybody has a preconception of any president. This actually made me truly appreciate him as a human being. He comes across as a wonderful man. And whether you agree or disagree with him on politics, I think you were so lucky to work for him, and it comes across. I know how grateful you were and what a great fit.

PERINO: There's a lot of stories in there and I think it does provide a missing piece of the puzzle of a history that hasn't been written yet, which is the personal reflections of staff and taking you behind the scenes with stories you've never heard before; and they weren't covered in the news because nobody was there. It was just my colleagues and I.

And actually I dedicate the Bush [SIC] -- to book to my Bush administration colleagues, and I'll be in D.C. On Thursday night with a party with them.  And Greg also, he's in the acknowledgements, because you helped me with the writing, which I appreciated.

GUTFELD: Well...

PERINO: You didn't hate it, right?

GUTFELD: I loved the section about your time in the Bangles when you played tambourine. Nobody knew that she dated Idi Amin in the '90s. That whole chap sister on the relationship is incredible. I urge you to buy the book just for that. I didn't realize what a great guy he was at times but also what a monster.

ROGINSKY: And he didn't cannibalize her, which was fantastic.

GUTFELD: Yes, and then you killed that man in Arizona because he was whistling during breakfast?

PERINO: Yes, well, I just wanted this to be a really candid look at my life.

GUTFELD: Yes. You -- warts and all. I was shocked.

GUILFOYLE: Don't worry. She has immunity from prosecution for all of that.

But I think it's great, too, Dana, because you still do all of these great things in your life: volunteer for mercy ships, minute mentoring and really trying to share with other women some of the, I guess, the secrets of your success and not being able to get out there and do something on behalf of other people and give back, especially since...

PERINO: And you know what's great about it -- and I write about this -- is that when I first was transitioning from my post-White House life to here, I was worried that I would be cut off from doing a lot of those things and quite the opposite. Is that FOX has allowed me to actually become the fullest expression of myself. And for the first time in my life, I am paid to speak only for myself. For a long time, I was everybody else's spokesperson. I still like to be everybody else's --

GUILFOYLE: Sometimes you have to help us, too.

PERINO: I know. But I do that for myself.

GUILFOYLE: Eric and Greg.

BOLLING: The pictures are amazing.

PERINO: Thank you.

BOLLING: You have amazing pictures, two sets of pictures.

GUTFELD: Yes. Sometimes...

BOLLING: Good stuff.

GUTFELD: I can't believe you put that stuff in there.

PERINO: Well, it was difficult to make that decision, but I urge you to buy the book. You never know what you might see inside.

All right. Up next, some powerful performances at the Academy of Country Music Awards, including one from my favorite artist, Dierks Bentley. Don't go away.

GUTFELD: Jonas Brothers...





BOLLING: A lot of country music fans out there who love Fox News, and a lot of Fox News fan who is love country music, there were some great performances last night at the ACM Awards. Here's a special one from Garth Brooks honoring our military. He was introduced by Chris Kyle's widow, Taya.


TAYA KYLE, WIDOW OF CHRIS KYLE: The legendary Garth Brooks.



BOLLING: Taylor Swift was honored with a milestone award. It was presented by her mother, who just days ago revealed she's battling breast cancer.


ANDREA FINLAY, TAYLOR SWIFT'S MOM: I've watched this milestone artist from the time she was a tangled-haired little girl, growing up on our farm, full of imagination and creativity. I am a very proud mom. It's my pleasure, my pride and my joy to introduce my daughter, Taylor Swift!


BOLLING: OK, Dana, what do you -- your thoughts on the performances?

PERINO: I got home from my NASCAR experience in time to watch my country music experience last night, and I love it. I think that it was the highest attended award show ever. They made "The Guinness Book of World Records." And there's just a lot of fans, and there's a lot of diversity in country music now. A lot of people don't like the brand-new stuff, but you see some of the women artists that are coming forward.

And I'll tell you who really rocked, besides Garth Brooks. Dierks Bentley I thought was great.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh!

PERINO: And Reba McEntire. If you didn't get a chance to see Reba McEntire, go back and look at that, because she really was amazing.

BOLLING: Do you know what else you saw? You saw military in uniform, in dress.


BOLLING: Full dress.

GUILFOYLE: That's why I love -- it's so patriotic. There is no doubt about it. Like, country music fans love America, love the military and all that they stand for. So I mean, I could watch that all day and night. I think it's fantastic.

GUTFELD: It's the -- you know, it's so funny. I don't get it. But, like, I have two good friends of mine...

GUILFOYLE: You mean country music?

GUTFELD: Yes. Two good friends of mine, Larry Gatlin and Clint Black, we're like 99 percent alike on everything in terms of loving language, jokes. And that's what country music is about, telling stories, but for some reason, I don't get into lyrics so I never get into country music.

BOLLING: I note you didn't include John Rich.

GUTFELD: John Rich is going to beat me up.

PERINO: What about me? He's...

GUTFELD: You're not a country music singer.


GUTFELD: I'm saying that I try. I try. I try. I try. But I can't do it. It's like so weird. But I don't like lyrics. I like oblivion, and I like not to think. Like, I don't need other people's problems in songs. I have so many problems.

GUILFOYLE: God. God, we know. If you were a country music singer, one song would be about...


PERINO: There was a song. What was it called?


PERINO: That you love America Ferrera.

GUTFELD: I love America Ferrera.

PERINO: Right.

BOLLING: Jules, your thoughts?

ROGINSKY: I'm with you. You know, hey, the Rock 'N Roll Hall of Fame induction was this weekend. That's my big excitement. I don't get it either. I'm with you. But congratulations. And Dana, whatever his name is...

PERINO: Dierks Bentley.

GUTFELD: She's on a list now where she's not even allowed to see Dierks Bentley.

GUILFOYLE: She should be part of his royalty. I'm not kidding around.  It's unbelievable.

BOLLING: All right. They're wrapping me. All right. It's time to get rid -- is it time to get rid of terms like Indian-American, African- American and other terms that divide us by race and gender? One prominent Republican says yes, it's time.

GUILFOYLE: What do you say?


ROGINSKY: Would America be a more unified country if everybody described themselves as Americans first? Here's something Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal brought up in New Hampshire this weekend.


GOV. BOBBY JINDAL, R-LA.: When my parents came to America, they were coming to be Americans. We used to be proud to say that. We used to be proud to call America the great melting pot. My parents loved Indian; they're proud of their heritage. But they weren't coming to raise Indian- Americans. They were coming to raise Americans. I don't know about you.  I'm tired of the hyphenated Americans. No more African-Americans, no more Indian-Americans, no more Asian-Americans.


ROGINSKY: All right. So this may be the one time that Bobby Jindal and I actually agree on something. Because I think he's dead on about this, and I say this as an immigrant myself. But I'm kind of tired of people trying to be anything other than Americans when they come to this country.  Although this has been going on for quite a long time. You know, Eric, you are a WASP American or...

BOLLING: No. I'm Italian-American, and I'm an American Swede, though I don't need to be addressed that way. I'm fine calling me an American.  That's fine.

However -- however, if you want to be called an African-American, Italian- American, an Indian-American, that's fine. I have no problem with it. But at what point do you say, OK, I don't want to be separated anymore? If you do separate someone in a way that they don't want to be separated, then...

ROGINSKY: That's a good point. Dana, could you respect your old world heritage and the culture that you came from and still consider yourself an American?


ROGINSKY: Not you, per se, but can one do that?

PERINO: Sure. And that's what America has been able to do. So, like, on the Fourth of July when you go to the parade, everybody is all there together. And we're all Americans.

But his point, I think, would be attractive to especially some younger people. I'm just tired of division. Why can't we all do this together?  So if you're trying to inspire people, if you're Bobby Jindal and you're way behind and you've got to try to get a foothold somewhere, an inspiring message like that one probably works.

ROGINSKY: Yes. Actually, as I said I'm a Democrat, and I don't really like Bobby Jindal. But I agree with that. What do you think?

GUTFELD: I'm an American-American. We'll be right back.

It's called divide and conquer for a reason. Conflict politics is designed precisely to dismantle our capitalist society. That's what it's about.  And so as long as you can't -- if you're too busy looking inward, you cannot look outward, and that makes you vulnerable to threats. That's why the country needs a unifier.

We've been talking about this for months. We need a unifier, which Obama promised to be but wasn't.


GUTFELD: It's the strangest thing that that was supposed to be the solution, and it got worse.

ROGINSKY: Kimberly, you're Puerto Rican and Irish-American?



GUILFOYLE: Yes. All of the above. But ultimately, I'm an American. I think people feel great pride and patriotism. They come here. You know, my father was born in Ireland, and my mother was born in Bolivia (ph). And they were American. They made that very clear.

So -- and I like Bobby Jindal a lot. Not because he's a Republican, but because I like what he stands for. I like his beliefs. And I think he's being very genuine in what he says. He really believes it.

ROGINSKY: All right. We're all on the same page here. "One More Thing" is up next.


GUILFOYLE: It's time now for "One More Thing" -- Miss Dana.

PERINO: OK, I had the greatest time this weekend. As you knew, I got to be the honorary starter at the NASCAR race. It's the Food City 500 in Bristol, Tennessee, at the Bristol Motor Speedway. There's some pictures.  I got to sit next to Goldberg from Wrestling World, got to meet all the drivers. I didn't drop the flag. That was my biggest concern.

GUTFELD: That's a handkerchief.

PERINO: And I got to meet Richard Petty, who told me how -- that was my "Five" picture. There's Richard Petty, the king. That's what they call him down there.

And here's a nine-second video of what it was like to be in the honorary starter position. The only time I almost dropped the flag was when that last car went by because of the wind. But I had a great time. And thanks, everybody, for your hospitality.

GUILFOYLE: Very nice. Love it. OK, Greg, what do you got?

GUTFELD: It's time now for, you know...


GUTFELD: Greg's Crime Corner.


GUTFELD: All right. A terrifying home invasion in Toledo. Let's roll the tape.




GUTFELD: Right here, the intruder tries to break in, but then a surprise when a feisty resident fights back. The intruder barely gets away with its nose. Look at that, fighting. This is a tough, tough little cat.

A side note: They both married on the beach in a tasteful wedding. So it was a happy ending for everybody.

GUILFOYLE: All of your crimes are with a cats. It's so bizarre -- Eric.

BOLLING: OK. So law enforcement has gotten a pretty rough go lately, a bad rap, but a couple of law-enforcement stories from the last week or so.  In Cincinnati, Ohio, first, this officer was being confronted that man right there, who was trying to get the officer to shoot him. That's Officer Jesse Kidder, who was a rookie, who did not shoot the man. He saved that guy's life.

And also, this one, in Kinnelon, New Jersey, police officers Ehrenburg and Ferriola rushed -- take a look at this. Watch.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can you hear me? Can you hear me?


BOLLING: And they pulled that woman out of that burning car. Within two minutes, they say, that car exploded into a fiery ball. It would have killed her immediately, and they saved her life.

GUILFOYLE: Really scary. OK, Julie.

ROGINSKY: The Rock 'N Roll Hall of Fame induction was this weekend, as opposed to Dana's country music thing.

PERINO: The awards.

ROGINSKY: Yes, yes. And a lot of people got inducted: Green Day, Ringo -- yes, Joan Jett and the Heartbreakers. But Bill Withers, who has not been heard from, really, in public since 1985, the guy that wrote "Lean on Me," about his home growing up in West Virginia, came out of retirement to appear on stage. And to me, this was really a special moment. You see John Legend there doing "Lean on Me," but to me, it was just a beautiful, beautiful event.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Well, I have a quick picture. Baby news. Not royal baby but kind of American royal. There's Jessica Biel with her new baby, Cyrus Timberlake. So she gave birth, and they're very excited. He's named after Justin Timberlake's grandpa.


GUTFELD: Babies.

GUILFOYLE: That's it. That's it for us. "Special Report" is next.

GUTFELD: Babies, babies, babies.

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