Media mock CPAC; Malaysia airline vanishes without a trace

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," March 10, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.


All right. Hello, everyone. I'm Greg Gutfeld, along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, and she wants got locked inside a mini-bar, it's Dana Perino.

This is "The Five."


GUTFELD: Every year, it comes in pairs -- CPAC and the media's mockery of CPAC.


CHRIS MATTHEWS, HOST: Do you remember the bar scene in "Star Wars" with all those wild-eyed creatures from every part of the solar system? Well, today, here in Washington, the whole tapestry of weirdness was re-enacted at the annual convention of something called CPAC. And CPAC is the far out sharing space with the even further out -- a place for the crazy car to fill up with the usual suspects, Cruz and Paul and Rubio and Bobby Jindal.


GUTFELD: "Star Wars" bar, that's a real original metaphor. I think I used it like 30 times.

Now, you never see the press attack liberal gatherings, but that's because looters never target their own home. So the conservative gathering CPAC is called a freak show by those who should be extra careful slinging such mud.

Chris Matthews calling someone crazy? He's so nuts, if he ate a Snickers bar, it would be cannibalism.

But the media mocked CPAC for one big reason. It's a proxy for a larger group of people they despise but do not know. It's the America you don't see on HBO dramadies or in colonic waiting rooms. And this hate is really fear of opposing views, perhaps because their own views sag with doubt.

But let's just assume CPAC is odder than David Gregory's hair. So what? Weird people rule, if only to let us know that we're not so weird. Weird people also take risks. That makes them uncool. Rebels don't really look like James Dean. Those are the fakes. Renegades usually look like this.

Politics attract the odd. As a refugee from the left, I'd say there's more of that there. In fact, crazy is so common that not being crazy makes you the crazy.

Surely, CPAC is fractious, fiery, and at times nuts. So what? If trumpeting free markets, frankly discussing mandatory minimums and talking about race without smears of bigotry is weird, then may the weird inherit the Earth. Just leave the buttons and bumper stickers to the left.

Dana, you were overly excited about this monologue. You said, ooh, I have a great idea. What was that great idea?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Oh, well, I don't know -- now that you built it up, I don't know if I will be able to meet the expectations.

GUTFELD: Well, what do you make --

PERINO: What I was thinking is the left has two CPACs, and they happen in the winter, the Golden Globes and the Oscars. No one thinks they're crazy.  They have a red carpet and everything.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: That was a good one. I like it.

PERINO: CPAC -- thank you. Mondays. OK, here we go. Thank you.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: I thought that was rather, but that's OK.

GUTFELD: Oh, how dare you?

PERINO: CPAC is base firing, right? I think one of the things people -- everybody sees the speeches and they look for who is going to get a slot, who will get invited, who will speak, but the speeches were actually very good this year. The most interesting stuff, though, happens in the breakout sessions. That's where you learn a lot about new tactics for "get out the vote", new social media micro-blogging and different types of tools in order to get out the message, and then you have other debates like mentioned on mandatory minimums, things that are happening all throughout the conference that don't necessarily happen on stage at the big speeches.

GUTFELD: You know, Bob, people always talk about how conservatives all think alike. But here, it's evidence that it's fractious, people argue.  What's wrong with that?

BECKEL: Well, listen, it's interesting. First of all, I want to congratulate Rand Paul and Cruz -- Teddy Cruz, my man coming in second.  That ticket would be a phenomenal ticket, Paul-Cruz or Cruz-Paul.

There's a study out by a Republican political analyst that's very revealing. Something I have been saying for a long time. The Tea Party and that group is not the base, in your monologue you suggested this was a vast majority of people.


BECKEL: About 50 percent -- about 50 percent, you didn't? I'm sorry. If you didn't, I interpreted it that way.

About 50 percent of Republicans consider themselves somewhat conservative, 30 percent consider themselves, believe it not, moderate or liberal, and 20 percent consider themselves very conservative, either secular or fundamentalists, evangelical. So, what you're seeing here is a very small percentage of the Republican Party.

But they keep pushing it out. They get a lot of attention. More power to 'em. Let it go on for months.

GUTFELD: Eric, there seems -- there's always been a libertarian element to CPAC and the conservative movement. But it seems this year, it's bigger than it has been.

BOLLING: I think you hit on the monologue, it's a place to take risks, yes, and some did, some didn't. But it's most importantly -- it's the place where new ideas are formed and, boy, did they hit the new ideas. And I agree, that's my notes were right here. They were forming new ideas.

If Bob is right and CPAC and the like aren't the base -- well, they darn well should be the base.

BECKEL: They are part of the base.

BOLLING: They should be because they're the young people, as Greg points out, libertarian leaning, smaller government, sure, lower taxes. Yes, but also some of the other issues that no one else wants to talk about, privacy, things like that. I'm completely, completely impressed with the way these people turned out with the enthusiasm that they turned out.

The left would love to have a group of young people that energized as the group at CPAC right there, and I'm not just kissing their butts. I really mean this. I think the winner, whoever wins on the Republican side, will be the who is able to get those people and also do some of the other big picture Republican type things.

GUILFOYLE: I have a comment about that because that's what I'm really curious about, whether or not this time they're going to be able to translate that, you know, momentum, the energy, the youth, and enthusiasm, to a point where it can go the distance. Because, you know, last year, what's going to make this year different than the last time when he was able to win, you know, at CPAC, right? Can they get it going for it and not be, yes, like the party of no and energize the base?

GUTFELD: I'll keep talking to you on this. I just want to show that the straw poll results which had Rand Paul way up in front with 31 percent.  You have Ted Cruz, you got Dr. Ben Carson coming in third.

BECKEL: There you go.

GUILFOYLE: I like that.

GUTFELD: And then that guy, what's his name? Christie. Yes, I know, I was joking. The producer goes -- it's Chris Christie. I was kidding.


GUTFELD: So, Kimberly, what does this say? Is this -- does this have any relevance? It's too early?

GUILFOYLE: I like it because it actually shows a very interesting range that I think is good for the party. You have someone who is a free thinker that's come forward to be a dynamic speaker like Dr. Ben Carson, that's has really connected with people.

You have Rand Paul, also making a strong showing, again. He has a very motivated base. They're really dedicated to him, and they know how to get out there. I think that's a powerful yet untapped source for the Republican Party.

But will his followers if he's not the nominee go over to a guy like Christie? That's the problem. Maybe they'll go to someone else like a Ben Carson.

PERINO: Has ever somebody that won the CPAC straw poll ever gone on to be the nominee?

GUTFELD: It's always been -- his dad, Ron Paul.

BECKEL: Barry Goldwater, Barry Goldwater, every single nominee of the Republican Party has been from the established conservative wing, which is the majority of the Republican Party --

GUILFOYLE: But how do they get those guys?

BECKEL: When you say carry the momentum forward, it's a small group of people who get a lot of attention. But Ben -- are you kidding me? These people --

BOLLING: How has it worked out for the right with all these moderate Republicans?

BECKEL: If you try to put it in the hands of a right winger, what happens?

GUTFELD: You get Ronald Reagan.

BOLLING: They don't get there.

BECKEL: No, he wasn't -- what?

BOLLING: They don't get to the point where you have a strong voiced conservative to go up against a Democrat. Go up against a liberal.

GUILFOYLE: I like the diversity that I'm seeing.

GUTFELD: Yes, diversity. That's the important thing.

GUILFOYLE: I like Cruz, I like Ben Carson. That's important for the Republican Party.

GUTFELD: Before we move on to the Russian piece, this is George Will talking about the media coverage of the conservative Republican thing.


CHRIS WALLACE, HOST: Is the GOP getting any closer to a clarifying moment here?

GEORGE WILL, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: I certainly hope not. It's much more interesting when they're dueling with one another. The conservative movement can't win in this argument because if they're harmonious, the media says stultifying, monochrome, oppressive, no diversity. Then when they argue with each other, they say cry havoc and let the dogs of civil war in the Republican Party. It's perfect nonsense.


GUTFELD: Perfect nonsense.

GUILFOYLE: I like that.

PERINO: I thought that was a reassuring thing to hear from someone like George Will who studied it for so long and knows a lot about it. So, you have somebody with that kind of observation skills --

GUTFELD: Nice observational skills.

PERINO: Is it observational?


BECKEL: If you go back and look at the history of the Republican Party, this split has been going on for a long time. It started with Roosevelt versus Taft back in the early 1900s. Every step of the way, there's always been a very conservative member of the Republican Party who has contested for the presidency.

And only one time in my -- that I can remember, and that would be Rockefeller -- I mean Goldwater and it's because Rockefeller was the principled opponent, have they ever been successful.

GUTFELD: All right.

BOLLING: So, can I just make it quick? Everyone on the left is doing it, and some people on the right are doing it, too. They're talking -- and I actually bought into this for a while, there's a split between the Republican Party in the far right and the center right, and Rand Paul points this out. He says it's less of that than a bunch of individuals who are not necessarily all right, far right, or centrist right. They're just -- they have their own ideology.

It's not one -- it's not two factions of the Republican Party. It's --

GUTFELD: It's about four.

BECKEL: There's a lot more.

BOLLING: No, it's like 15 legitimate candidates that any one of them if the whole base and some of the establishment got behind them, would give Hillary a run for her money.

PERINO: But they will have to be -- they're going to have to be persuasive. So, a lot of these speeches were -- they threw out a lot of red meat and they're like funny lines, great sound bites. That doesn't necessarily always translate to persuasion that gets people to either donate money and certainly hasn't brought people to the polls.

GUTFELD: All right. I want to --

BECKEL: I wanted to ask Eric. You really think that any of those people - -


BOLLING: How's this? No one in the world saw Barack Obama beating Hillary Clinton at this point in time. Would the left love to have 10 or 15 legitimate candidates from the right?

BECKEL: We would like everyone who spoke at that convention.

BOLLING: Fourteen, 16, 18, 20 --

BECKEL: I would start with Teddy Cruz.

BOLLING: It's the party on the move up, Bob. You have to admit that.

BECKEL: Well --

GUTFELD: All right.

PERINO: I'd rather have choices than be basically given a candidate.

GUTFELD: But I will say this -- Bob has a point. You haven't seen that big one come through yet. We have a -- we still have that, you know --

GUILFOYLE: Is it coming?

GUTFELD: Let's talk about Ukraine real quick.


GUTFELD: All right. Dick Cheney was on, I guess it was CBS with Charlie Rose, talking about Barack Obama and the Ukraine, or Ukraine.


ROBERT GATES, FORMER DEFENSE SECRETARY: I think that cutting the defense budget in significant ways right now is a serious mistake. It certainly sends a signal that we are not interested in protecting our global interests.

CHARLIE ROSE, CBS NEWS: Do you believe that President Putin believes that President Obama is weak?

RICHARD CHENEY, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT: I think there's any -- no question he believes he is weak. I also think he hasn't got any credibility with our allies.


GUTFELD: K.G., what do you make of that?

GUILFOYLE: Yes. Look, I think it was very interesting interview. I paid attention when I hear Cheney speak and when I hear Gates speak. So, to me, they have a lot of connections. They talk to people on a regular, daily basis that are making the moves and deciding things in this right now.

And I think an important point that Cheney said is that, you know, the Europeans got very irritated with the way the situation in Syria was handled. And so, that put a lot of doubt in their mind with respect to dealing with President Obama when that looked like it was a go situation.  He stepped back.

That's inconsistency, it lacks stability. It doesn't breed confidence and faith in somebody you have to work side by side with.

BECKEL: By the way, your interaction, Cheney -- I thought Cheney had a heart problem. I didn't know he had a neck problem, too.

GUTFELD: That was Gates.

GUILFOYLE: That was Gates.

BOLLING: And then Cheney.

BECKEL: I know, then Cheney.

But -- you know, first of all, Cheney, when he talks about the allies, Cheney talks to the right of most of the parliaments that he's talking about. I mean, look, the one thing Gates said I thought was most important and everybody should keep in mind is that they ought to rally around the president's situation like this.

BOLLING: I can say one more thing that you and I both spoken about. When asked about the Crimean region. He said it's gone. It's gone.

By the way, the Crimean people, the people who live in the area, want to be part of Russia. They don't want to be part of Ukraine.

PERINO: You guys, I've actually -- I don't think it's fair to them to say that. There's a Pew poll that came out done from them a year ago with 65 percent of them saying they did not want to be part of Russia. So, I don't think we can sit here in New York City and just say, OK, they want to be a part of Russia.

BECKEL: Poll of Crimea, just Crimea?


BOLLING: Or of Ukraine?

PERINO: Of Crimea. So, I mean, I just think and maybe something has changed in a year, but I just don't know if we're in a position to be able to say what they actually want. I thought last night on "60 Minutes", when they talked about Ukraine and what happened in the square in Kiev and the opulence of the mansion the former president fled from, that was really about -- that was finally talking about what the people really want.


PERINO: I thought that was refreshing.

GUILFOYLE: That was a good piece.

BOLLING: Can I add this little piece? If Germany and the E.U. isn't interested in defending Crimea from the Russians, why should we?

PERINO: So, then, what next? Everybody is just cool. Like you think that Putin is going to like -- that will be it?

BOLLING: I would be surprised if he went any further.

GUTFELD: All right. Let's end there, shall we?

Up next, the massive search for that jet plane that vanished from the sky in Asia, it's been nearly three days and the mystery is deepening, ahead.


GUILFOYLE: Well, it's been almost 72 hours since Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 disappeared over the skies of the South China Sea. Loved ones of the 239 passengers and crew are still waiting anxiously for any news on what happened.

Now, there were three Americans onboard that jet, including an IBM executive named Philip Wood from Texas. His brothers James and Tom spoke to reporters about how they're holding up.


JAMES WOOD, BROTHER OF MISSING PASSENGER: Christ is what pulled us together. And it's how we're dealing with it. To be honest with you, it's a little surreal. We're still in shock and we have our moments.

TOM WOOD, BROTHER OF MISSING PASSENGER: He was a man of his word. Just a -- just a wonderful guy. He loved us and was very generous with his -- with his money and his time and his love, and took care of people without anybody knowing about it.


GUILFOYLE: Well, there's no evidence yet that terrorism was involved, but it hasn't been ruled out, especially with the discovery that two passengers got on that plane with false passports.

Here's Homeland Security Committee member Peter King.


REP. PETER KING, R-N.Y., HOUSE HOMELAND SECURITY COMMITTEE: I can tell you that every effort is being made to find out who they are, especially since we're talking about Malaysia, which is really a hub -- has been a hub of al Qaeda activity in the past. There was a meeting there prior to the attack on the USS Cole in 2000. Any number of 9/11 hijackers went through Malaysia.


GUILFOYLE: So, a lot of information coming in over the weekend about this, certainly some speculation. We're going to give you what we know since it's an ongoing investigation.

But, you know, Dana, this is really kind of a shroud of mystery. They can't rule out terrorism at this point. And it just seems you might be able to find a plane if there were significant remnants of one that large.

PERINO: Well, I think we should all pray it was an accident or there was a mechanical error, because the alternative, if it's terrorism, is a very chilling situation and you -- for lots of different reasons, right? It instills fear. You've lost innocent life.

And you are in a situation right now where the world allies need to be working together very closely on intelligence matters to share information and to do so in an open way, where they have a lot of trust, and over the last two weeks, we certainly have not seen that with some of the most important allies that we have.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, very good point.

Eric, where does this investigation going from here with some of the terrorism aspects of it they're exploring?

BOLLING: This is what is really kind of crazy. The two stolen -- the people who boarded the plane with stolen passports, those tickets were purchased with cash and not by the two passengers, by an Iranian named Mr. Ali.

Now, if that doesn't scare the heck out of you, nothing will. However, I'm going to -- let me take this side of this argument.


BOLLING: There are those, my wife included, who is hoping it's terrorism for this reason, because if a plane that is only 15 years or so old, which is a very short period in their life span --


BOLLING: -- in very good condition, can fall out of the sky and vanish and not be found for three days, some of the older planes, which a vast majority of our fleet are much older than this plane --

BECKEL: Your wife doesn't like to fly.

BOLLING: And she hates to fly. But I'm not making light of this. I'm serious. So, we can fix terrorism. I'm not sure we can fix planes blowing up arbitrarily over the sea and not finding them.

GUILFOYLE: Well, both I think are frightening and daunting outcomes of this investigation. Neither is good.

I mean, you even have children, like my son was asking me, what happened?  How can a plane just drop out of the air like that? Or did it blow up, did it explode? Did somebody take it? You know, there's a lot of questions and it's a frightening situation.

Bob, people have talked about Lockerbie. What do you think?

BECKEL: Well, Lockerbie -- it's interesting, because when Lockerbie blew up, it scattered debris within a 50-square-mile area from 30,000 feet. In this case, there's been nothing found which indicates to me that it may not have been blown out of the sky. That doesn't mean the terrorists didn't take over the cabin and put it straight into the water.

The incident, as Eric pointed out, not only did this guy buy the tickets in cash, he's bought from the same travel agency before. He had a business in Thailand.

When I was in Thailand, second to the number one business, the oldest profession, the number two business was you can buy passports that were stolen in Bangkok, because so many people come through Bangkok. It was a big business. That's where you get stolen passports.

You take those things and put them together, and this guy is not (ph) living in Iran, there's a reason to assume, at least an investigation of terrorism where --


GUILFOYLE: They're meeting in Malaysia before 9/11 as well. The disappearance of this plane, Greg, was both sudden and cataclysmic. It only had reached 30,000 feet and all of a sudden vanishes.

GUTFELD: Yes, it's weird, and it's dumbfounding we have no record of it because we think we can record everything.

There's a couple of points I want to make, it creates priorities in the news. We're talking about climate change and Russian politician muscle flexing, this knocks everything off because it affects everybody. It creates a hierarchy of priorities.

But what we know is inversely proportional to what we say being on TV. We have to keep talking about something without knowing anything.

The question is who would bomb a Malaysian plane on the way to China? Who has the capability? Who has the motive?

Right now, there is almost seemingly no motive unless it would be something like a dry run. But then why would you do a dry run because if it worked, then it hurts -- it makes it harder for you to do it next time.

GUILFOYLE: A security breach, being able to do it in that area of the world. It provides an opportunity --

GUILFOYLE: Just quick, I know we're getting out of here, but Air France lost a plane over the south Atlantic. It took two years to find the black box because the water was so deep. (INAUDIBLE) is in the South China Sea.

So, this will be a long process, and Greg is right, it's something you can conjecture about it all you want, you can say it may be terrorism. You can't rule it out, but you can't rule anything out at this stage in the game.

GUILFOYLE: It's just very disturbing I think also the communications seized. I mean, there was nothing to go on, you know, like you mentioned.

GUTFELD: Yes, it could be something we have never experienced before.  That's the most disturbing thing.


BOLLING: What are you talking about?

GUTFELD: I think a new kind of terrorism, whether it's used by -- I mean, what about the people -- weren't there passengers who checked in who never boarded?


GUTFELD: Yes. Maybe they never showed up, period, which is OK. There weren't checked bags.

BECKEL: They feel very lucky, don't they?


GUILFOYLE: All right. Well, next, a new dose of hypocrisy from Hollywood heavyweight Harvey Weinstein. Plus, video has just surfaced from Justin Bieber's deposition last week, and it's not good.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you ever talked to Selena Gomez and discussed your feelings about the paparazzi with her?

JUSTIN BIEBER, POP STAR: Don't ask me about her again. Don't ask me about her again. Don't ask me about her again.


GUILFOYLE: The wild tape, coming up.


BOLLING: All right. The fastest no, it's cantaloupe. The fastest seven minutes goes Hollywood with the Bieber the brat hole, Lindsay, the rehab queen, and the billionaire Harvey Weinstein, the hypocrite. Three entertaining story, seven energetic minutes, and one very enthusiastic.

First up, bratty, arrogant and combative Justin Bieber has no respect for the American justice system. Check out these videos TMZ obtained of the Biebs being deposed.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Remember earlier today when I asked you --


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why don't you listen to what I have to say first and then maybe you'll tell me yes or no.

BIEBER: I don't have to listen to anything you have to say.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you ever disciplined Mr. Hesney?

BIEBER: Disciplined. What kind of question is that? Is he my son?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Answer the question.

BIEBER: Guess what? I don't recall.


BOLLING: You take this one, Dana. We want to smack that guy a little bit.  By the way, that's a deposition.

PERINO: I know. And the thing is, is that on the -- for the fastest seven, there's three topics. I have a lot for the first one and a lot for the third one. And I am a blank slate when it comes to Justin Bieber.

BOLLING: The Biebs?

PERINO: I really -- I don't know -- that's the American justice -- all right. Kimberly, does he have to be respectful?

GUILFOYLE: That's the central --

PERIUNO: Shouldn't he be respectful to the other lawyer?

GUILFOYLE: Of course, he should be respectful. Then again, some lawyers aren't respectful, either, the way they conduct themselves.

BOLLING: Are you alluding to the fact he was going for the sound bite, this lawyer?

GUILFOYLE: I don't know. I wasn't in the room for the whole thing, although I would have liked to have been.

BOLLING: Defending the Biebs. Greg?

GUILFOYLE: It's very interesting. No, he's acting snotty nosed for sure, but some of the questions are ridiculous, like discipline. He's right, discipline is what a parent does to a child. You punish and get a time out.

GUTFELD: Yes, he's immature, he's sulking, he's defiant. He could run for president. You know, I do actually --

GUILFOYLE: Yes, he has good hair.

GUTFELD: I can't stand him, but I kind of agree with Kimberly, is that the guy was asking purposely, he's asking about ex-girlfriends and he's doing this. He was doing it, and look --


GUTFELD: How could you not love --

BOLLING: The Biebs --

GUTFELD: By the way, depositions are awful.

BOLLING: Horrible.

GUTFELD: And I never would have done that. I was --


BECKEL: I have never seen a personality go this quickly from being one of the widely acclaimed heartthrobs of America, and then it seems to me in a matter of months he's taken this turn and become an evil young man.  Michael Jackson took two decades for that to happen to him. This kid is not going to last.

BOLLING: All right. The next Hollywood wacko to grace the fastest seven, rehab queen Lindsay Lohan just four days out of her latest rehab stint.  Lilo talking about this being her last shot. Listen.


LINDSAY LOHAN, ACTRESS: It does take kind of getting to a really scary place. You think you can handle everything, but really, no, you can't.  There's nothing left in having a drink for me. What's left in that feeling? Maybe like trying the other way for me, which is, you know, living with integrity and living in control of my own self. That's the life I want now.


BOLLING: Bobby, talk about her reality show, just days out of rehab.

BECKEL: I find it absolutely stunningly bad. Not the reality show, but the idea you would take somebody 90 days out of rehab and put them on a reality show like that. She says she wants control of her own life. She has no control of her own life. A disease has control of her.

I've said this before, it's tragic but I think it's true -- left to this pattern people put her out there and continue to play off of her personality is going to kill her before she's 30 years old.



GUILFOYLE: Yes, there's a sign, a light, you're in a vulnerable time, post-rehab especially for her with multiple stints in rehab. So, you know, I wish her the best, I pray for her, you know, but I think she needs to money, so she's putting herself in this position. She's still in crisis.

BOLLING: You know, a lot of people out there are watching going, we're struggling in America. We're having a tough time. We're trying to raise our kids right, and seeing a moron like this who had chance after chance after chance, and now, we've got to watch her on TV.

GUTFELD: You know what I love? Her voice. She can qualify for old lady roles in movies. Her voice is raspier than Marge Simpson's sisters.

You know what? I agree with Bob. I don't think this is going to end well.

However, if there's a bit -- some sexism, we kind of like don't mind it when guys do this sort of thing.

BOLLING: Like Charlie Sheen?


BECKEL: I certainly do.

BOLLING: Dana, your thoughts?

GUILFOYLE: I was just thinking -- I hope it's true, all the things she says she wants for herself, I hope that comes true. I just think a reality show is a very strange way to get it. That's where you don't have control of your life. That's where you have everybody else focusing on you and you're under the spotlight all the time. Maybe she thinks that's the best way to keep herself from drinking.

GUTFELD: Date her, Bob. Date her, Bob. Date her.

BECKEL: There's an idea.


BOLLING: We got to go to this one.

Finally, Hollywood and hypocrisy are common bedfellows. The latest example, massive movie mogul Harvey Weinstein has a huge supporter -- was a huge supporter of President Obama's bloated budgets. But now, the fat cat producer wants us taxpayers, we taxpayers, to provide his obesely budgeted films with more tax incentives.

Dana, let's start with you on this one. This has got to drive you absolutely crazy.

PERINO: Well, to me, Hollywood is becoming one of the least trusted institutions or entities in America.

Here's the thing, though. If he wants to put a shoulder behind this, what he should do is if he's for tax breaks for him, tax breaks for all. Right now, there is a possibility, a slim one, but if he could get behind the corporate tax reform both Republicans and Democrats on the Hill want but President Obama hasn't approved, the way forward yet, I actually think they could do some good there in Hollywood. They could help themselves while helping the rest of America, including people who buy tickets to movies.

BOLLING: Some of the hypocrisy is he's a big supporter of President Obama and Hillary Clinton, some of the people who like the biggest taxes on the planet.

GUTFELD: Yes, he is part of the obedient status quo. They're more lock step than a marching band in Hollywood. But you know what? Tax breaks are like anything else to him. Like guns, they only should be available to left wing elitists. He loves gun control, but his mansion is probably better protected than Benghazi.

GUILFOYLE: OK. I think he's on the right side of the issue. I think there should be tax incentives. I think California is in trouble enough, then they should encourage the movie industry to film there, it's their base. So for once, he's right.

BOLLING: We agree with that. But what about supporting Hillary and supporting President Obama so vehemently?

GUILFOYLE: I guess all that support isn't getting him tax breaks.

BECKEL: Very quick point -- the movie industry has moved to Canada for shooting?

GUILFOYLE: New Orleans.

BECKEL: New Orleans for shooting, and other places because they have been given tax incentives. I think it's a reasonable case to be made if you want to keep your industry in your state, that's the way to do it.


BOLLING: Big business.


BOLLING: How about America? How about open American business environment?  Lower taxes?

GUILFOYLE: I agree with all of it.

BECKEL: You sound like that I don't like lower taxes. I think -- I'm for a flat tax.


BOLLING: Next, parents strike back against the mayor of New York City for kicking children out of their charter schools. Dana has the developments coming up.


PERINO: New fallout over the decision by New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio to oust three charter schools from public school space. Today, the Success Academy Charter School Network is filing a federal civil rights lawsuit against the mayor. Many parents want to stop de Blasio from denying good education to underprivileged minority students.

Here's reaction from Fox News contributor Deroy Murdock.


DEROY MURDOCK, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: I think he's turned himself into the George Wallace of the 21st century. He's standing in the school house door the same way that George Wallace did in the 1960s. He says he's standing up for black people and Hispanics, and he's not. He's standing in the way of these little kids who want to get ahead, and he's really denying them the chance to get ahead in this society.


PERINO: De Blasio is standing firm, though. He defended his decision once again this morning.


MAYOR BILL DE BLASIO, D-N.Y.: I have never been against charter cools. I have to worry about 1.1 million students a year. By the way, only 70,000 go to charters, but I care about those 70,000. For the 95 percent of kids who are in traditional public schools, that's my first obligation.


PERINO: But it's not just talking heads who are arguing about this. I wanted to play this clip from a mom and daughter courtesy of The New York Daily News. Take a look.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Our kids are outperforming a lot of schools in the state, and it would be a huge mistake if we pulled the schools that are working for our children.

UNIDENTIFIED GIRL: I'm pretty sure a great education got Mayor De Blasio to become a mayor, and I want my chance so I can succeed.


PERINO: All right. Pretty powerful testimony from parents and students.

Kimberly, you said you had a lot of feedback this weekend about this from friends.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. Absolutely, and over the last few weeks. Moms calling me whose children attend Success Academy, and they are devastated. You have people out there marching. They've got great commercials. They're getting press coverage. Get loud, get angry about it because this is an outrage.  He's literally standing on the backs of minority children.

Ninety-three percent minority children is what attended charter schools.  They have a great opportunity for an amazing education. Not a system where they have teachers that are unionized, and now, de Blasio, the political hack, is trying to kiss butt on the unions and making good on his promise by closing these charter schools, and everybody in the know knows he's got a big feud with Eva Moskowitz who started it, and that's what's behind it, his political archenemy.

So, he's being very small-minded. He's hurting these kids. Shame on him.  He can't be thrown out of office soon enough.

PERINO: As of Friday, Bob, Bill de Blasio was down to a 39 percent approval rating. I think the questions of his motivations about whether or not he cares for kids, I think maybe we should set that aside. I think he said it, well, this morning when he was on "Morning Joe" talking about that.

What are your feelings, though, about the politics of this? Nervous?

BECKEL: Very rarely have seen a politician screw something up like this.  I mean, look, we're now talking about this guy being against charter schools. The fact of the matter is he only --

PERINO: Or against children.

BECKEL: Or against children. He allowed 14 out of 17 charter schools to remain where they were, and he said he would take the other three and put them someplace else.

Now, the problem is he let the story get out in front of him like that. He got the payoff to the unions and the rest of it. And he probably doesn't like the charter schools.

GUILFOYLE: But he also rescinded the funds that were approved.

BECKEL: But the story got running away with itself, and he did not control it. At least he could have said, why are we closing these three schools?

PERINO: Eric, in the time we have remaining, you love this story. Why?

BOLLING: I love this story, because here's what happened this morning.  Understand, Kimberly is right. De Blasio really screwed this up. He really took a shot at charter schools in favor of the other schools, the teachers unions and whatnot.

Cuomo called him out on that, New York State Governor Cuomo called him out, was going to pay for the charter schools to stay open.


BOLLING: And then De Blasio was painted into a corner.

So, what did de Blasio do? He goes to "Morning Joe", Joe and Mika, and he says, help me out of this bag I'm in right now. Water this down so I can work my way out of it, and they spend the first 10 minutes sloppy wet kisses with De Blasio before anyone asks a tough question. They finally get down to the charter schools, 10, 11 minutes in, and then he has nowhere to go.

He double talks these two people for a long time. And towards the end, they finally get to the point. Charter schools are outperforming regular schools in New York City in math and reading by a long shot.

So, Bill de Blasio, what are you going to do? At which point, he says I'll take a look at this.

So, what they're trying -- what MSNBC has done for him is let him out of the corner he painted himself in. And it was disgusting to see them do it --


PERINO: Can I get Greg in here?

GUILFOYLE: -- number one in math in the state.

PERINO: OK. I just want Greg to be able to say one thing in this segment.  So, I'll just turn it over to you.

GUTFELD: Big message here is once again, the greater good annihilates the present now. De Blasio as a militant left winger has harmed more children than measles and skateboards combined.

If you look at the idiocy also in not just De Blasio, who is an idiot, look at the New York voter who saw 20 years of prosperity, and instead of embracing those policies, they said, let's do the opposite. Essentially, it's like somebody getting cured of cancer and taking up smoking.

BECKEL: It's not as if they had candidates to vote for. Let's keep that in mind.

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