Marco Rubio warns of 'real, present danger' to Christianity

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," May 27, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: This is a Fox News alert and I'm Kimberly Guilfoyle. Another 2016 contender is about to officially enter the race. We'll bring you Rick Santorum announcement on his 2nd White House bid, live in moments.

But first, to Marco Rubio who announced his candidacy last month. The Florida senator warning in a new interview, there is a real and present danger to Christianity in America.


SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R-FL), 2016 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We are at the water edge of the argument that mainstream Christian teaching is hate speech because today, we've reached the point in our society where you -- if you do not support same-sex marriage, you are labeled a homophobic and hater. So what's the next step after that? After they done going after individuals. The next step is to argue that the teaching of mainstream Christianity, the catechism of the Catholic Church is hate speech, and that's not the real and present danger.


GUILFOYLE: All right. So real and present danger, Christianity under attack, do you agree?

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: I think he's running for president and trying to appeal to the evangelical base in the party. I think he's got a lot of competition. Last time he was able to win Iowa on the based on the evangelical vote. This time he has to go up against our friend Mike Huckabee, he has to go up against Ted Cruz and a lot of people who are gonna try to also edge in on that evangelical vote because it's so critical.

I mean, I find it, you know a little bit in terms of the substance, Kimberly, because I think that you know you're a sincere person. You know that I'm a Christian. But I think this is a man who left the church in his youth, he says, and then became a Mormon for a while then he came back to the church. I mean so it's the idea of searching and seeking in terms of faith. I don't see why he would be so critical. I think the big point of criticism, and this is something Eric and I were talking about with kids on a previous show is getting your own kids to go to church is a real difficulty these days and I think that's the issue about faith in America and trying to make faith real and the importance of faith and convey it if we're being sincere about what you were --


WILLIAMS: I think that's what being sincere.

GUILFOYLE: I am actually (ph). Yeah.


GUILFOYLE: So what do you think, Eric? Are you surprised by kind of the tone?


GUILFOYLE: The rhetoric says taking it one makes a fair assessment --


GUILFOYLE: Other people --

BOLLING: No. There's a huge voting contingency, a huge voting base and Juan is right, he's going to compete with Huckabee and Ted Cruz and also the guy who is about to announce, Rick Santorum, whose gonna go definitely after that. They want that vote. Rick Santorum had it in 2012. In fact, Rick Santorum won the Iowa caucus and that is a very, very evangelical vote. But you -- as Juan points out, he's going to try and split that with Huckabee - - I mean it's a work for Huckabee, Cruz and now Marco Rubio. It's smart to do that.

I mean, the country is a Christian country. They said somewhere around 80 percent Christian. It doesn't hurt you to do that. You can say, as Rand Paul would say, "I like a lot of these things to stay at the state level but why not say, embrace your roots, embrace where you come from and go after that vote. It doesn't hurt." It's kind of like Hillary Clinton going after the female vote, the first female president vote.

GUILFOYLE: All right, Dana, you're a little skeptical.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: I'm skeptical that it is just a point to get votes. I actually, I am not cynical enough at this point to think that all of them are just don't believe that Christianity might be under attack or religious liberty as the founding principal of America isn't one of the most important things that you fight for if you want to be president of the United States.

And, in addition, there are people who really are worried about Christianity. Last week, we did a block about the decline of the number of people going to church --


PERINO: In the country and if that was actually going to be harmful. I think what he's talking about here is the attack on people for expressing their religion and living their faith and when that comes into conflict with possible social changes. So when it comes to gay marriage, for example. I think one of the answers to this -- I heard this from a pretty smart person, I've been thinking a lot about it is to -- just get the state out of marriage altogether and let that be a religious choice. So if you wanna -- if you are a gay couple and you want to get married in a Lutheran church and that works out for them, great. If it takes the state out of it, and that actually assures your religious liberty.

GUILFOYLE: All right, that Greg, your response on that idea and Christianity under attack.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: I think what Rubio said he believes that if you have these beliefs, there are people who will say you are a homophobe. I'm not sure -- so certain that this is purely a religious thing and more so, a generational thing. I think the older you are, the more likely you are reluctant to deal with, to appreciate gay marriage perhaps because you've been religious longer. But the point is how do you meet halfway at this point? Because the fact is, it's happening and it's not going away. There is going to be gay marriage. Whether you want gay marriage to be a major issue as a candidate, it's not up to you. It's being pushed mainly by the media and the academic complex. So you have to learn to use it against the left.

Gay marriage, in my opinion, is a conservative idea. The left generally hates tradition. It's all about breaking with tradition and in this case it's embracing a tradition, one that stabilizes a community, one that is valuable for families. Why would you exclude that from a group of people who are born that way? If they are born that way, the idea that you are saying, you cannot be part of this, that's an exclusive belief. And I -- as somebody who is not religious -- who has been but not, I was under the impression to the faith to be inclusive. And I think that it's a mistake at this point to say that faith -- there's a place in your faith to make this work. And we all know this because we all have. We all know families in which you have the religious -- you have the religious members, you have the gay members and they overlap. It actually works on a family level, on a local level. So let's not make it a national thing.


GUTFELD: Let's learn to work together.

WILLIAMS: My senior Gutfeld, I've never heard any conservatives say that. That was interesting.

GUTFELD: Oh, there are people who say that.

PERINO: He has been saying that for several years.

GUTFELD: I think, I've been, I've been --

WILLIAMS: Oh, he has been saying -- no, no, I mean --

PERINO: No. It's actually --

WILLIAMS: no, I mean, there's a politician.

PERINO: I think it's a better way to explain it.

WILLIAMS: But that was interesting. You know I think, I mean, I've, I've never heard conservatives say, in fact, we want to support this tradition. It was historically a wedged issue used by conservatives against liberal.


BOLLING: Because --

GUILFOYLE: You're saying it shouldn't be anymore.

BOLLING: Because the reason why it won't -- and you probably won't hear it from the conservative or the right is because the first few caucuses in the elections are so important and they're so heavily Christian and so heavily evangelical --

WILLIAMS: Evangelical -- yeah.

BOLLING: If you do that, you're probably going to lose that vote, right?


BOLLING: I mean, if you come out with that, with that -- if that platform, they are going to push you away from it so --

WILLIAMS: Well, I was --

GUILFOYLE: But it matters is -- right.

BOLLING: So there's a tightrope to play where, you can have the -- that you can believe that and then say, let's let the states decide how they handle it, I don't want to go on, on record in taking that platform and thereby still having a chance to win in the Iowa caucus or New Hampshire support.

WILLIAMS: I was just gonna say that if you talk to evangelicals these days, there are some who are more moving towards the idea of openness and that the need to --

GUILFOYLE: Right. Well you bring up --

WILLIAMS: Inclusive --

GUILFOYLE: Another point --

WILLIAMS: Compassionate and make that the forefront --


WILLIAMS: Of their movement.

GUTFELD: The interesting --

WILLIAMS: That's Rick Warren, for example.

GUTFELD: Yeah. The interesting -- the thing in all of this is that only Republicans really get hit with this, but the Democrats --


GUTFELD: Were against gay marriage, including a famous one by the name of President Obama, but they were left off the hook because they believe that they were lying about it.

PERINO: Right.

BOLLING: He evolve, he evolve.


BOLLING: After, after --

GUILFOYLE: However, though, but speaking of evolution because the first time ever in the history of Gallup in their polling, the number of social liberals actually matches the number of conservatives. We can put that number up on the screen. In 2014, liberal numbers were 30, conservative, 34. In 2015, the numbers 31 and 31 it's a tie. That's the first time we've seen in history those numbers, Dana.

PERINO: Because I think that there's no doubt that, that's going up but there is something that I've also been talking to someone else. I think this is a really an interesting idea. So a lot of people now will say, well, I'm socially liberal but physically conservative. OK, that's been a mantra for a while. And actually, the thing is, if you look at those numbers, on the social side of things, actually -- nothing is actually going to change except for additional progress towards being the acceptance of gay marriage.

But if you want -- if you are a fiscal conservative, you don't get that by electing liberal Democrats. If you just look at the policies of President Obama and what Hillary Clinton now says she is for, or a Senator Warren or a Governor O'Malley, what they are for, you are not going to get physical conservatives and you like it socially liberal but you are not going to get what you've say is the most important thing to you, which is the economy.

GUILFOYLE: OK, but then the next question is we have another full screen for this. Have the Democrats pulled too far to the left? Perhaps, that is a question now. So in the last two decades, Democratic Parties moved substantially for this to the left and the Republican Party has shifted to the right. Greg, many Democrats are placing a risky bet, they say that there are virtually no limits to how far left they can go, and that's what Peter (ph) went up in New York Times.

GUTFELD: It's -- it's an interesting and sad irony that the far left raises from the success of conservatives principles. I've said before, conservative principles are the trees that hold up the left-wing hammock. If you had no free market and you had no awesome military and you had no law and order, lefties like Bernie Sanders would be in (inaudible), run by his own peers because that's what happened. Ultimately, when you let socialism of the far left getting control on something, you get Venezuela and you get the USSR and you get places that are horrid to their own believers. So if the far left can only exist as a barnacle on the right.

GUILFOYLE: Do you think you agree with that?

WILLIAMS: No. I mean, I think what part on what's going on here is look, we were talking about gay marriage a moment ago, legalization of marijuana, increasingly a reality in the country. I think people relate to that.

GUTFELD: That could be a conservative. I mean, remember, I think --

WILLIAMS: What? That could be conservative to you?

GUTFELD: No, but I think Buckley -- was it Buckley? --

WILLIAMS: Yeah, Buckley. He went off the coast in a boat smoking joint.


WILLIAMS: That was a conservative --

GUILFOYLE: All I can say -- yeah.


PERINO: I think the piece winner -- piece is worth reading because a couple of things. That might be true on presidential politics it is not true across the state. Republicans have 31 of the governorships and they also have 68 of 98 state legislatures. So Hillary Clinton is not necessarily running for a 3rd Bill Clinton terms, she's running for a 3rd Obama term and those are very different thing.

GUILFOYLE: But the distinction has to be made. We'll see.

Coming up on The Five, Rick Santorum is going to try again. The Republicans was about to announce his 2nd bid for the White House in moments for his home state of Pennsylvania. We are going to bring that to you live, so don't go away.




RICK SANTORUM, FORMER PENNSYLVANIA SENATOR: There were also requested that she could go play during the speech, so we're going to let her go.


SANTORUM: Now, I know this stage looks densely populated with our family, but we are actually still missing one member of our family. And that is our son Daniel, who just last week went to field training in the air force down in Alabama. Daniel, I am proud of you. Thank you.


SANTORUM: And I also have to thank Penn United Technologies. We have disrupted this entire place for a week. God bless you, Bill and Becky and everybody thank you.


SANTORUM: And I just want to thank all of you for being here. For taking the time out of your work and your schedule and for many of you, there are people from 32 states that are here tonight. So I -- I just want to thank you for being here.


SANTORUM: Ladies and gentlemen, this is a piece of call, this where my American story started. My grandfather, Pietro, was a co-miner who brought my dad, 7-year-old Aldo, from the factious Italy. Like millions of other Americans, he didn't come for this. He came for this -- freedom.


SANTORUM: My dad grew up in a coal town, actually a company town, during the depression without indoor plumbing. It took a war to get him out of that coal town, off to the pacific and then the G.I bill to college and then to a veterans hospital in West Virginia. It's there he met a wonderful nurse, Catherine Dughi, who is my mom.


SANTORUM: Mom is 96, she shouldn't be here today, but I just want to say hello to my mom who I know is watching and they took me on a voyage at 7 years of age from West Virginia to Butler, Pennsylvania.


SANTORUM: We lived on the VA post in World War II government apartments surrounded by our nation's veterans. Most of my friends, though, their dads worked in the mills and the mines. They got off ships and coach us some sports and in life, they were the generation of God-fearing people who built this country and at the same time, were the foundation of the country. In the late '70s, like many of you, we saw the economic devastation here in Southwestern Pennsylvania but across this country, particularly in the area of manufacturing is the result of the excesses and indifference of big labor, big governments and, yes, big business.

Here in Southwestern Pennsylvania, the epicenter we've lost over 100,000 jobs in what seemed to be overnight. That has to and did leave a mark on all of us. Afterwards, big government and big business told our workers that times have changed, American workers could no longer compete with low foreign wages and that those jobs were gone forever.

Well, what about those politicians? For all those years, what did they do? What did they do for communities across this area and across this country in small town America? They had no plan and they provided no hope. And to them I say, no longer.


SANTORUM: As we move America is how we now, we can't sit idly by as big government politicians make it harder for our workers and then turn around and blame them for losing jobs overseas. Working families don't need another president tied to big government or big money. And today is the day --


SANTORUM: Today is the day that we are going to begin to fight back.


SANTORUM: I am proud to stand here among you and for you, the American workers who have sacrificed so much to announce that I am running for president of the United States.


SANTORUM: I offer a full (inaudible) for America, one that is clear and conservative that has plans of reform and has a proven track record that I have in my time of service. Step one -- in taking back America, step one, let's, let's scrap the corrupt federal tax code and the IRS that goes with that.


SANTORUM: It's time to give America a simple, fair, flat tax.


SANTORUM: It will create millions of good-paying jobs and rebuild our factories and it would take an increased take-home pay for workers in America, powered by the shale revolution and the renewable revolution. Powered by those two revolutions, we have regained the title of the world leader in energy production.


SANTORUM: With low-cost energy and our bold plan, I promise you, we will regain the title of a leader in world manufacturing.


SANTORUM: That's not all. We will shrink government, we will reduce spending, we will revoke every executive order and regulation --


SANTORUM: We will revoke every executive order and regulation that cost American jobs.


SANTORUM: From day one, we will work to bring back America and put Americans back to work.


SANTORUM: American workers deserve a shot at these jobs. Over the last 20 years, we've brought into this country, legally and illegally 35 million mostly unskilled workers. And the result over that same period of time, workers' wages and family incomes has flat line. Hillary Clinton and big business --

CROWD: Boo --

SANTORUM: They have called for a massive influx in unskilled labor. Business does it because they want to control costs. Hillary does it -- well, she just wants votes.


SANTORUM: Their priorities are profits and power. My priority is you, the American worker.


SANTORUM: If you don't believe me, take my -- don't take my word for it. Yesterday, the largest pro worker immigration group just published a survey that showed that only one candidate got an A, standing behind American workers and he's standing here today.


SANTORUM: We can create jobs, but as we've all seen America can't succeed, unless we strengthen the first economy, the American family.


SANTORUM: It's time we have a president who sees the struggle of working families in America, not as an opportunity to divide us along race or class, but as a chance to unite us around the ideal that every child in America deserves her birthright to be raised by her parents in a healthy home.


SANTORUM: Stronger families. More jobs will result in better schools, but our children, well, they deserve an education customize, customize to maximize their potential.


SANTORUM: The first step in that process is joining me to drive a stake in the heart of common core.


SANTORUM: I can't forget about the other people that I grew up with out at the VA in Butler, our wounded warriors. I saw the price of freedom. I saw the cost of failed political leadership. The Obama/Clinton team, they don't understand that peace comes through strength.


CROWD: U.S.A, U.S.A, U.S.A, U.S.A, U.S.A, U.S.A, U.S.A, U.S.A, U.S.A.

SANTORUM: But what I see are heroic veterans dying, waiting in line at the VA because these very same leaders don't care enough to give them what they've earned, the best medical care in the world. I say, join me, take back America and help these veterans.


SANTORUM: As you've seen, commander in chief is not an entry level position.


SANTORUM: And the White House is the last place for on-the-job training. It's critical that both our allies and our friends know what to expect from our next president.


SANTORUM: Last month, I was featured in an online magazine. That's usually a good thing. But in this case, the online magazine was the magazine of the Islamic state, ISIS. Under the headline -- under the headline, in the words of our enemy was my picture and a quote, "After 12 years of legislating and warning about the gathering storm of radical Islam, they know who I am and I know who they are."


SANTORUM: In that article, I've described who they are and how to defeat them. And ladies and gentlemen, if I'm the next president, we will defeat them.


SANTORUM: Finally, we must take back America, for those who seek to deny us our God-given rights of life and liberty. As president, I will stand for the principle that every life matters: the poor, the disabled and the unborn.

I will also fight for the freedom for you to believe what you are called to believe, not just in your places of worship, but outside of your places of worship, too.

Karen and I have learned a lot in our life. And if there's one thing we've learned: man is limited and God is not. There's much that we can do. But first we need to pray for the same kind of great awakening that inspired and provided our founding to come to this country to heal our land.

Now, if you watch any of these announcements here coming up this week, you're going to see a lot of folks saying what they're going to do. That's what they do. But how do you know who to trust? Well, you look at their record.

I went to Washington and said I was going to fight corruption, and I delivered. I went to end welfare, to reduce poverty and to put people back to work, and I delivered. I went to give patients control over their health care through health savings accounts, and I delivered. I went to end partial birth abortion, and I delivered. I went to impose sanctions on Syria and Iran to protect the state of Israel and this country, and I delivered. And I went to cut taxes and promise to never raise them, and I delivered.

Our record of standing for you and standing up against big government is clear: 92 percent conservative voting record. How does someone like that get elected in the Mon Valley of Pittsburgh in one of the most Democratic areas of the state? How does someone with a conservative voting record get elected twice to the state of Pennsylvania where there's over 1 million more registered Democrats than Republicans? Because I stood for you and against big government in Washington, D.C.

Fighting in those races both here in southwestern Pennsylvania and across Pennsylvania, I know what it's like to be an underdog. Four years ago, well, no one gave us much of a chance. But we won 11 states. We got 4 million votes. And it's not just because I stood for something. It's because I stood for someone: the American worker.

I promised then as I promise you now, I will take money and power out of Washington and put it back where our Constitution says it belongs: in the people who earned it.




SANTORUM: The last race we changed the debate. This race, with your help and God's grace, we can change this nation. Join us, join us., and let's take back America.

God bless you. God bless America.

PERINO: That was Rick Santorum announcing his second bid for the White House. We're going to take a quick break and share our thoughts next on "The Five."


BOLLING: Welcome back to "The Five." Moments ago, former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum entered the 2016 presidential race. OK. It says discuss and we shall discuss.

GUILFOYLE: I don't know. Well, I mean, he's a very nice man. I thought, you know, he gave a decent speech. It sounds sort of like the one that he gave last time around. So you want to see what's going to resonate and distinguish you from others in the race that's going to be compelling, that's going to motivate people to get out there.

I mean, as you said, he did very well in Iowa. I'm sure he will again. He definitely appeals to that evangelical Christian base. They'll come out for him again, I'm quite certain.

BOLLING: Well, what do you think? How does Rick Santorum, if he does do well in Iowa again, how does he turn that into -- although, you know, he was the runner-up last year on the Republican side. He had the second most votes.

WILLIAMS: In '12, yes. Yes.

BOLLING: I mean in '12, yes.

WILLIAMS: So -- I think, look, you know, the most interesting picture in here was Foster Friess, who is a billionaire conservative, was in the picture there in the audience, and Foster Friess is the guy backing Rick Santorum. So he has some money for a super PAC for -- that will keep him going.

But in terms of the polls, it's just not there. In terms of the message. I mean, I thought Kimberly was so kind, as always. But, you know, you didn't sense any great enthusiasm coming from...


WILLIAMS: ... him going on at this point. And -- and the whole thing with, you know, "The bad guys know who I" -- I just -- you know, I just wonder.

But anyway, he has some money, but you've also got to take into account, Eric, you've got, I think, later this week Pataki, Lindsey Graham. You're going to see how big the Republican field is going to be very shortly.

BOLLING: And maybe they -- I'm not sure if they're going to announce during the 5 p.m. hour, but we'll see. Dana, can I -- a little observation?


BOLLING: Rick Santorum this time around, less of the anger factor. He seemed so -- you know, it was really in your face, kind of angry at the media. This seems like a little bit of nicer and friendlier Rick Santorum?

PERINO: Well, everyone who decides to run for president deserves a great first day. And this might be the best day of his campaign.

I actually was surprised that there was not much new. And one of the things that the Republicans are willing to go for somebody who has run multiple times. OK, Mitt Romney is a good example. They got behind him. And that's -- it's not saying that people wouldn't do that for Rick Santorum.

But I think that because there are so many additional alternatives now, and a president like Marco Rubio, gets your attention that you think, "Oh, that's new. That's different. I want to hear a little bit more of that." And Rick Santorum will have to break through.

Now, he probably still has a pretty good base of support in Iowa. I would ask the question that George Will keeps asks all of these Republican candidates, is can you flip a blue state, the most important one being Pennsylvania? And I don't know if he could do that.

BOLLING: His own state.

Greg, he said at the end of his speech, "join me" or "join us."

GUTFELD: Right. Yes.

BOLLING: Will they?

GUTFELD: I don't know. I mean, Republicans, they always need to have a good campaign song, but a lot of the bands, they won't let them. Like they'll have a song and "I don't want you to play it." So I came up with a Rick Santorum campaign song. Would you like to hear it?

BOLLING: How does it go?

GUTFELD (singing): America working man families. No gays.

(speaking): His turf is...

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh!

GUTFELD: His turf is too specific. He's like a boutique candidate. He needs to be a Costco candidate. He's got to have a big vision that welcomes everyone and doesn't check your...

PERINO: Interestingly, he actually is the Costco candidate on economic issues. He has a long-track record of working on welfare reform. He was actually in the Senate when that passed under Bill Clinton.

BOLLING: Yes. And that song can be purchased on iTunes for 99 cents.

GUTFELD: It's true, absolutely. And all proceeds go to Charity, this girl I met.

BOLLING: Yes. On O'Reilly's boat?


BOLLING: Ahead, some people are upset with a title of a new film opening Friday starring Bradley Cooper, Rachel McAdams and Emma Stone. Is it offensive? You decide next.


GUTFELD: It's the worst thing to happen to Hawaii since that three-part "Brady Bunch" episode. A new movie filmed there is accused of demeaning its culture, because the title of the flick is "Aloha."

Some native Hawaiians -- I'm not sure how many, but that never matters, really -- are mad because the sacred word is now being used as a commodity. If you guessed that it's activists who are upset, you're right, because that's what activists do. As one professor there says, quote, "Hawaii is the verdant background for white fantasies."


GUTFELD: I don't even know how to pronounce it. Further proof that wherever there is an ethnic studies department, there is that. It's the academic version of the measles, an infection that recasts cultural appreciation as cultural appropriation, so now using common language is hurtful.

See, "aloha" conveys more than hello. It's compassion, mercy, grace, love -- attributes missing from ethnic studies professors. I'd also throw in sense of humor. Seriously, if calling a movie "Aloha" upsets you, then don't see the movie. Or consider that Hawaii is always portrayed as great. In every show or movie, if America were a classroom, Hawaii is always the coolest kid.

And remember, a chance to work on a big film is great for the locals, something activists ignore, because to them, who needs work?

And before you send letters, need I remind you how other states are portrayed in films? The South is still recovering from "Deliverance."

Anyway, I'm seeing the flick because I owe Bradley Cooper money. I'm even boning up on my Hawaii lingo. The only three words I know is: "Book 'em, Danno."

K.G., you've been to Hawaii many times. Is this a legitimate...


GUTFELD: Please.

GUILFOYLE: Well, not anymore, because I'm East Coast. It takes too long.

GUTFELD: It does. Legitimate beef or just another chance to, I don't know, complain?

GUILFOYLE: I have no idea why they are upset about this. I don't understand. What's wrong with the word "aloha"?

GUTFELD: No, they're saying using it as a title is offensive.

GUILFOYLE: It doesn't matter. Why is this offensive? I mean, then they believe speaking is offensive. They should be happy that people have such interest in Hawaii. It's good for their economy, get people to go there. They should be, like, you know, kissing Bradley Cooper's butt in the window of Macy's. OK? Like, do it. What is the problem?

WILLIAMS: Wait a second.

GUTFELD: Is that your fantasy?

WILLIAMS: That's not -- that's not what Greg was asking you.

GUILFOYLE: Well, it's what I answered.

WILLIAMS: I know. But that's not what the man asked you. You've been -- you've been taking...

PERINO: Are you, like, "The Five" police?

WILLIAMS: No, no. She's, like, in executive training for interviews. What the man asked you was, is it the truth that Hawaii is the verdant background for white fantasies?

GUILFOYLE: No. No, it's not. And "Fantasy Island," was that shot there?

GUTFELD: No. That was not there. "Hawaii 5-0," "Magnum P.I."

BOLLING: "Pearl Harbor," though.

GUTFELD: Yes, well, there you go.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, but I don't -- what is the problem? I think they're being way too sensitive. And what I was answering is that they should be way more interested in the economy and not be concerned about this false narrative that they're saying that this is disrespectful to Hawaiians.

WILLIAMS: Well, I don't understand why I can't have fantasies about Hawaii.

GUTFELD: You can have fantasies.

GUILFOYLE: I'm sorry. That's not the question.

WILLIAMS: Payback time.

But I think -- this is so interesting to me. This is a Sony movie.

GUILFOYLE: Have a Macadamia nut.

WILLIAMS: So in "The Interview," what did the Koreans do, the North Koreans? They hacked Sony.


WILLIAMS: So I think that the Hawaiians -- right? Don't you think so? I think so.

BOLLING: Genius.

GUTFELD: You're a Macadamia nut.


GUTFELD: I think they should -- it should be -- "aloha" should be the "A" word.

BOLLING: Is "aloha" racist?

GUTFELD: No. It's -- it's a spiritual word, and it's being used to sell a movie.

BOLLING: They say it's -- what do they call it? Not a transgression but what?

GUTFELD: A micro-aggression.

BOLLING: Micro-aggression, trigger word? Is that what they're saying?

GUTFELD: I have no idea.

GUILFOYLE: You have to ask for permission of everybody in Hawaii. If it offends them, and if it does, it triggers some emotion, then you can't use it.

BOLLING: We should ask President Obama if he's offended by that. He was born in Hawaii.

GUTFELD: Some say. Some say.

WILLIAMS: Yes, but not you.

GUTFELD: We all know the real truth. Call me.

All right. Hey, Dana, everyone loves Hawaii. It's like -- it's like the most popular kid in class. It's like the adopted child that's better looking than all the other kids. You know?

PERINO: I actually never hear a bad word about Hawaii.

GUTFELD: You know why? Everybody loves Hawaii.

PERINO: Except for some people that have actually moved there because they were lured by the beauty of it. They get there, and they're like actually, everyone is really rude.

GUTFELD: Are they rude?

PERINO: Yes. People don't like it there.

GUTFELD: Are you sure?

PERINO: And it's expensive. No, seriously. I've never been. Well, I actually did go. I went once. With President Bush. We had lunch while he refueled.

GUTFELD: That's great. By the way, not all Hawaiians are rude.

PERINO: No, but like...

GUTFELD: You're talking about the tourists?

PERINO: No, I'm not. I'm talking about...

GUTFELD: I'm trying to save you.

PERINO: ... tourists. I don't need saved.

GUILFOYLE: They have a derogatory term, right, for white people?

GUTFELD: Oh, do they? I don't know.

WILLIAMS: Let me just say, this whole -- this whole segment is bogus. You know why?

GUILFOYLE: Isn't it called -- isn't it called powie (ph)?

WILLIAMS: Let me tell the audience -- I'm going to let the audience in on this. So Greg Gutfeld, as you know, his big show, right? But his big show came on at 9 p.m., primetime in Hawaii.

GUTFELD: That's true!

WILLIAMS: And so Greg Gutfeld loves Hawaii. He is right now trying to put down Dana Perino so that he can win favor with the folks.

PERINO: He's always trying to use me for things like that.

GUTFELD: Very smart. Very smart.

All right. We've got to go. "One More Thing" is up next.

GUILFOYLE: Why didn't we have Macadamia nuts?


GUILFOYLE: It's time now for "One More Thing," and I shall begin. This is a great one. Take a look at this video, because a fisherman catches a 550- pound fish from his kayak. Please, show it.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There he is! Yes, baby! That's a big boy.





GUILFOYLE: Do you know how people make up stories, like "I caught this fish and it was so gigantic"? Well, this is actually true. It's a real story. It's a giant grouper, measured in at 83 inches long, 73 inches in girth, and weighing an estimated 552 pounds.


GUILFOYLE: I know. From Santa Barbara (ph). I'm moving on. Moving on.

GUTFELD: Good to see Michael Moore getting some exercise.

GUILFOYLE: Terrible.

GUTFELD: And then he got caught. All right.

GUILFOYLE: They released it and back. Don't worry.

GUTFELD: Do this.


GUTFELD: Greg's Top 40 Music Corner.


GUTFELD: Really excited. Mariah Carey has a new record out. Let's hear a taste.





GUTFELD: That will be enough. There you go.

BOLLING: She's obviously using autotune.

GUTFELD: Yes. That's true. She wrote it herself, by the way. I'm done.

GUILFOYLE: That was weird. But you have a singing scheme running through the show today.

GUTFELD: Yes. Who knew I could sing so well?

GUILFOYLE: Yes, totally. I mean, yes -- not. Eric.

BOLLING: So for me, the biggest story of the day, obviously there's some other breaking news we had to go to. But for me, the biggest story of the day was the nine FIFA International Soccer Federation officials -- roll some tape -- who got arrested today on bribery and corruption charges, up to $150 million in bribery.

Look, this has been talked about for literally decades, that this has been going on. Interestingly, though, the United States, the Department of Justice, are the ones who arrested these officials. And also interesting is that Qatar is going to get the tournament, the World Cup in 2022, and FIFA -- Qatar and FIFA both donated to the Clinton Foundation. So the question is, if the DOJ is going to investigate FIFA, why not the Clinton Foundation? Just saying?

GUILFOYLE: Tie it together. Tie it together.

GUTFELD: Qatar and Fifa, they were twins I knew.

PERINO: Also, 1,200 workers have died in Qatar...

WILLIAMS: Building.

PERINO: .. working on the stadium there.

OK. Here's my "One More Thing." You know I love the national parks; it's one of the best things. Well, if you ever have wanted to be a farmer, you have a chance now inside the national park at Ohio's Cuyahoga Valley. Cuyahoga, I know Cuyahoga Valley.

Basically, there are three parcels of land. They want to preserve the farming culture at the park so you can apply. You have to use sustainable practices -- wah, wah. And also you have to be expected to positively interact with visitors to the park, which would kind of be a bummer, especially if they're jerks. But if you want to be a farmer, this could be a really good opportunity, and you could help preserve the park.

WILLIAMS: All right. Here's mine. Look at this guy. This is Marco Wilson, who is 16 years old, not yet a high school junior.


WILLIAMS: If you love athletics as ballet and beauty, you've got to love this guy. He's the son of Chad Wilson, a former football player with the Seattle Seahawks. He already has five recruiting letters from schools, including schools like Alabama and Florida. His brother played for Florida (ph). This guy is fantastic. That has gone viral. Everybody loves it.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Thank you for watching. "Special Report" is next.

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