Kentucky man held at gunpoint for wearing a MAGA hat speaks out

This is a rush transcript from "Watters' World," February 23, 2019. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

JESSE WATTERS, HOST: Welcome to "Watters' World." I'm Jesse Watters. The Watters Awards -- that is the subject of tonight's "Watters' Words." Now, in honor of the Academy Award this weekend, our producers thought it would be fun to host our own awards show. Let's begin with our first category.

Best actor in a political drama -- here are the nominees. Cory Booker at the Kavanaugh confirmation hearing.


SEN. CORY BOOKER, D-N.J.: I'm going to release the e-mail about racial profiling, and I understand that that -- the penalty comes with potential ousting from the Senate. I openly invite and accept the consequences.

This is probably the closest I'll probably ever have in my life to an "I am Spartacus" moment.


WATTERS: Jussie Smollett on "GMA"


JUSSIE SMOLLETT, AMERICAN ACTOR: He said "This is MAGA country [bleep]." Punches me right in the face. So I punched him back. The camera facing north, how is that my issue? I want that video found so badly, and I want a little gay boy who might watch this to see that [bleep] fought back. I'm pissed off. How do you not believe that? It's the truth.


WATTERS: And Rachel Maddow on MSNBC.


RACHEL MADDOW, ANCHOR, MSNBC: The Trump administration officials have been sending babies and other young children home. Could we have the graphic of this? Thank you. Do we have it? No.


WATTERS: And the winner is, Jussie Smollett on "GMA." That was a runaway winner right there folks. All right, next category. Best Fight Scene. Here are the nominees. Donald Trump versus Jim Acosta.




TRUMP: I'll tell you what, CNN should be ashamed of itself having you working for them. You are a rude, terrible person.


WATTERS: Oh, Senator Marco Rubio versus a radio talk show host, Alex Jones.


ALEX JONES, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: That's why -- it didn't work.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But here's the question.

SEN. MARCO RUBIO, R-FLA: Don't' touch me, again, man. I am asking you not to touch me.

JONES: Well, sure, I was just patted you nicely.

RUBIO: I know, but I don't want to be touched. I don't want to be --

JONES: You want me get arrested?

RUBIO: I don't know who you are.

JONES: It's not just going to come --

RUBIO: I am not going to get you arrested, man. You're not going to get arrested.

JONES: That's just enough to take my First Amendment.

RUBIO: I can take care of myself.

JONES: Oh, you will beat me up.


WATTERS: Oh, I'd love to see that. Senator Lindsey Graham versus all of the Democrats at the Kavanaugh hearing.


SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM, R-S.C.: What you have done to this guy, this is the most unethical sham since I have been in politics, and if you really wanted to know the truth, you sure as hell wouldn't have done what you have done to this guy. This is going to destroy the ability of good people to come forward because of this crap.


WATTERS: And the winner is -- Trump versus Jim Acosta. And with an honorable mention for the White House intern who had to get her hands very dirty. All right, next category. Most Politically Correct. All right, here are the nominees. The University of Maryland for creating a support group for white students who feel quote, "confused" before, during or after interactions with minorities. All right, also nominated, Northeastern Professor, Susana Walters, a Gender Studies Professor who wrote that men should quote "step away" to make room for women as they quote, "have every right to hate you." And our final nominee, Minnesota State University Professor, Eric Sprankle who says that the Virgin Mary did not give consent to become pregnant with Jesus Christ.

Okay, and the winner is -- Minnesota Professor Sprankle. That was an easy one. Sprankle, I thought there was an Immaculate Conception. You need consent for that.

New category, Best Political Comedy. Here are the nominees. President Donald Trump.


TRUMP: They go back home to mommy. They get punished when they get home. A show headed by sleepy-eyes Chuck Todd. He's a sleeping son of a (EXPLETIVE). Da Nang Richard Blumenthal. I watched him say, "We need the truth. If we don't have --" and here's the guy who was saying people were dying all around him and he was never there.


WATTERS: CNN's Jim Acosta at the border.


ACOSTA: Here are some of the steel slats that the President has been talking about, right here. As a matter of fact it's pretty tranquil down here.


WATTERS: Of course, it is, Jim. And Kanye West shocks the press in the Oval Office.


KANYE WEST, AMERICAN ARTIST: Let me give this guy a hug. I'm married to a family that you know, not a lot of male energy going on. It's about when I put this hat on, it made me feel like Superman. Nonpolitical, no [bleep] - - put the beep on it. This our President. He has to be the freshest, the flyest, the flyest planes. You are tasting a fine wine, it has multiple notes to it.

TRUMP: That was pretty impressive, folks,


TRUMP: I hate to say this, Jim, you want to say something?


WATTERS: And the winner is -- Donald Trump. He wins it every year. It's just not fair. Jim was a close second. Last but not least. the Dumbest Political Commentary. Our nominees are, Beto O'Rourke.


CHRIS HAYES, HOST, MSNBC: Would you - if you could, would take the wall down now here?


HAYES: Like you have a wall.

O'ROURKE: Absolutely.

HAYES: You would knock it down.

O'ROURKE: I'd take the wall down.


WATTERS: Taking the wall down. Elizabeth Warren.


SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN, D-MASS.: You know, the President likes to call my mom a liar. What do the facts say?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The facts suggests that you absolutely have Native American ancestry in your pedigree.



WATTERS: Sure. And Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.


REP. ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ, D-N.Y.: Millennials and people -- you know, Gen Z and all of these folks that come after us are looking up and we're like, the world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change and your biggest issue -- your biggest issue is how are we going to pay for it? And like, this the war -- this is our World War II.


WATTERS: The world is going to end in how long? How many years? And the winner is -- Pocahontas. Elizabeth Warren who revealed through a DNA test that she was not Native American even though she claimed she was. That is it for the "Watters Awards." I would like to thank all of our winners for their outstanding work this year, and for the losers, better luck next time.

In her endless quest to take your hard-earned money out of your hands, liberal lightning rod, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is sticking by her 70% tax plan on incomes over $10 million. Watch this.


DESUS, AMERICAN COMEDIAN: Why are you trying to take a lot of our money away from us? Desus just signed on "Showtime" and now, you're trying to put the wild -- I am a billionaire, what's wrong with you.

OCASIO-CORTEZ: If you make more than $10 million in one year, which is a pretty good year.

MERO, AMERICAN RAPPER: That's a damn good year. That's an El Chapo [bleep].

OCASIO-CORTEZ: If you make $11 million -- yes, seriously. If you make more than $10 million in one year your, 10 millionth and one dollar gets taxed at 70%, which by the way, we used to have marginal tax rates under Republican Presidents of 90%.

It really comes up to the question of, isn't $10 million enough? Like when does it stop?


WATTERS: Joining me now, someone who knows a thing or two about your dollars and cents. The host of "Mornings with Maria" on the Fox Business Network and of "Sunday Morning Futures" right here on Fox News, Maria Bartiromo, welcome to "Watters' World."

MARIA BARTIROMO, HOST, FOX BUSINESS NEWS: Hey, it's great to be here in your world.

WATTERS: There, you've been practicing. I can tell. So, in my opinion, I think what she's doing was saying, isn't $10 million enough? I think that's un-American? Do you agree?

BARTIROMO It is un-American, Jessi. I mean, really, is it enough? What's enough? So is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez going to be the judge of what's enough now? Should I check with her on how hard I should work and much I might want to achieve in my life?

I mean, it's basically putting a limit on people's achievements and their dreams. I thought the last time we talked, this was the American Dream, that you could come from nothing and work as hard as you can and make money and as much success you could have. So --

WATTERS: That's going to be the American nightmare if she is in charge. Let's look at some celebrities who she believes have made enough money. Look at George Clooney. Now, we just looked this up. He made $239 million last year. Hell of a year, George.

All right, so after taxes on that first, I think, $10 million, I mean, he's only taking home $70 million as opposed to $239 million. George needs the money. He needs the money.

LeBron -- is she going to tell LeBron James who made $85.5 million last year, "You know what, we are going to cut that in more than half." I dare her to tell LeBron he has made enough money.

BARTIMORO: No, I don't think so because she is basically just deciding who should make the money and who shouldn't. They are probably okay making that kind of money, but when you talk about a corporate CEO or a billionaire, well, then it becomes a really bad word.

WATTERS: Yes, because look at Bill Gates. I mean, the Gates Foundation Has eliminated polio pretty much in the continent of Africa because of his generosity and success. Is she going to say, "You know what, we are not going to eliminate polio."

BARTIMORO: Well you don't -- I think you make a really good point because these kinds of rules and policies where you are punishing the highest earners for earning a lot of money, they have unintended consequences.

So are we going to see the Ken Langone's of the world still give $100 million like he just did to NYU Medical School so that eventually they can give out free medical school educations?

WATTERS: And I was just at NYU, I am not going to tell you why I was there, but I was just at the hospital, and it was and it was a beautiful place and it was very well run.

BARTIROMO: Thank you, Ken Langone.

WATTERS: Thank you, Ken. And she went to Harvard and Harvard has a huge even endowment and she should want that. Now, we sound like people sucking up to billionaires. That's how Democrats are going to run. They are going to run on attacking billionaires. How does the Republican Party combat that smear that Republicans are just the party of the rich?

BARTIROMO: Well, first of all, it is un-American like you said. I mean, you shouldn't crush people's ability to come from nothing, work hard and make what they can make. But I think one way that the Republicans really need to hit at this is, you have to address the underlying problem that the left is bringing up. And that is, there is income inequality still.

WATTERS: Well, how do they address that?

BARTIROMO: The capitalism lifts people out of poverty. That's what we have seen seeing. I would say that the Republicans need an education policy. They need to come out big on education policy. Look, our workers in this country are being attacked. They have got AI on the right, they've got China on the left. They've got illegals in the middle, and they all want our jobs and that's just a fact.

I mean, robotics is taking over. I think we need to be teaching our students about machine learning, about AI, about robotics at a young age, but then you are going to face the Teachers Union. They are not going to like that.

WATTERS: Those are scary people.

BARTIROMO: But that's one of the issues. This goes back to education, Jesse, you know that.

WATTERS: So I see what you're saying, so instead of focusing on taking wealth away from the rich people and redistributing it, because that money never gets into their hands. It's not like you are taking it from LeBron and giving to it a poor person. That's not how it works.

BARTIROMO That's right.

WATTERS: You are saying the Republicans need to come out with an education push to help Americans and workers.

BARTIROMO: Yes, lift us up.

WATTERS: Lift each other up with their own skills.

BARTIMORO: Yes, so that they can have their own skills to get the job, to work really hard and make as much money as they can. Let's put them on a good playing field to do that.

WATTERS: Is it hypocritical when you have someone like Elizabeth Warren who is worth close to $10 million --

BARTIROMO: Yes, she is.

WATTERS: Or Bernie Sanders who has got three homes. They are all in mess though, my Secret Service friends say that it's just an episode of "Hoarders" over there.

BARTIMORO: Well, doesn't Nancy Pelosi own a vineyard?

WATTERS: Yes, she's got the vineyard and do they look like hypocrites saying, you know, "Let's tax the rich," when they are sitting pretty.

BARTIMORO: Yes, well, a bit, yes. But that's why they have this new tagline, the new talking point is for the people, our program is for the people.

WATTERS: Which people?

BARTIROMO: I want to know what people want a trillion plus dollar plan --

WATTERS: The American people?

BARTIROMO Yes, that's right. For the people for a green plan that makes absolutely no sense or for Medicare for All which basically destroys the entire private insurance industry.

WATTERS: Well, you mentioned the green plan, Ocasio-Cortez was asked about eliminating cow flatulence. Here is what she said. Roll it.


DESUS: My Twitter mentions, I'm getting a lot of references about cow farts. And I think that's in reference to your Green New Deal.

OCASIO-CORTEZ: We have got to address factory farming. Maybe we shouldn't be eating hamburger for breakfast, lunch and dinner, like let's keep it real.

DESUS: Slow down.

OCASIO-CORTEZ: Yes, I mean --

DESUS: I'll be --

OCASIO-CORTEZ: But we have to take a look at everything and what we need to realize is that climate change is about every choice that we make in our lives.


WATTERS: Don't come after the hamburgers.

BARTIMORO: No more hamburgers for you, Jesse. No, look, I mean, obviously this green plan has been panned and actually exposed for what it is, it makes no sense. Let me quote the "Wall Street Journal" on her plan saying that, "She wants the U.S. to be carbon neutral within 10 years. Non-carbon sources provide only 11% of energy today. That would mean a complete remake of the electric power system." She wants all buildings in New York to be redone. I mean, it's absolute pie in the sky dreams, Jesse.

WATTERS: Donald Trump, the Big Mac President is going to feast on these people if they come for the burgers. Maria Bartiromo everybody.

So we are debuting a new segment on "Watters' World," it's called "What we learned about Democrats this week."

Kamala Harris kicking things off in New Hampshire. She wants to get rid of Columbus Day.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Would you supports efforts on a Federal level to change Columbus Day to Indigenous People's Day?

SEN. KAMALA HARRIS, D-CALIF.: I appreciate and applaud your point and your effort and count me in on support.


WATTERS: There goes the Italian vote. By the way, do we still get a three-day weekend? Bernie Sanders officially jumping into the 2020 race. While many socialists are probably thrilled, a video from the past may point to his future plans for America.


SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, I-VT: You know, it's funny, sometimes American journalists talk about how bad a country is because people are lining up for food. That's a good thing. In other countries people don't line up for food. The rich get the food and the poor starve to death.


WATTERS: Okay, speaking of things that sound good on paper but fail to live up, a video of Beto O'Rourke from his punk rock past. Beto here rocking out on rhythm guitar back in 2003 wearing onesie and a sheep mask. But that's not the only questionable costume the Texas native has done, Beto here dressed to impress wearing a dress.

But even scarier, FBI statistics revealing Minneapolis, Minnesota as the top hotbed for terror here in America. FBI stats showing 45 Somalis have left the city to join ISIS or Al-Shabaab. And another dozen arrested while trying to leave for ISIS.

By the way, Minnesota's Fifth Congressional District, which includes Minneapolis represented by none other than freshman firebrand Rep Omar who has defended of the terrorists in the past, not making any connections, just pointing out the facts.

Joining me now, counselor to the President, Kellyanne Conway. How are you doing, Kellyanne?


WATTERS: So I wanted to play some sound of Senator Harris talking about reparations in her support of them. Listen to this.


HARRIS: America has a history of 200 years of slavery. We had Jim Crow, we had legal segregation in America for a very long time. People aren't starting out on the same base in terms of their ability to succeed, and so we have got to recognize that and give people a lift up.

CHARLAMAGNE THA GOD, HOST, THE BREAKFAST CLUB RADIO SHOW: So you are for some type of reparation?

HARRIS: Yes, I am. Yes, I am.


WATTERS: Okay, more craziness from the Democrats, Kellyanne. I don't see why she doesn't sponsor a bill. She is a Senator, put it up for a vote.

CONWAY: She should do that. Actually, some experts say this could cost trillions of dollars and no other than our first African-American President, Barack Obama did not show support for this when asked many different times. Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, and other top Democrats.

I think Kamala Harris after having a really good roll out and really good fundraising numbers has been stumbling quite a bit.

WATTERS: I agree.

CONWAY: I'd say the four S's really quickly. Smollett, as in the guy she called her friend, one of the kindest, gentlest people she knows has been turned out, now he's the target of investigation. Socialism -- she said says she is for Medicare for All. How many people work in the private insurance industry in her home state of California will lose their jobs if we had Medicare for All, 180 million people are said would lose their private insurance.

Also I would say the smoking. Her own father came out against her saying, "How dare you stereotype our Jamaican heritage by saying smoking pot is okay." And then of course, shopping because we want female candidates to all be looked upon as serious, so she went shopping for the -- she chose an amazing Technicolor jacket with female reporters.

WATTERS: Yes, the reporters were helping her try it on and yacking it up. I can't imagine if the roles were reversed there. You brought up Jussie Smollett. You know, alleged attack, everybody said. No video evidence.

CONWAY: Nobody said that.

WATTERS: But that was an alleged attack. And then we have an actual attack, so we believe.


WATTERS: Out in Berkeley where a Turning Points USA young conservative student was punched in the face. Video evidence. let's watch.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get the [bleep] out of my face.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jesus Christ. What? What?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You won this fight, haven't you?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You racist little [bleep].



WATTERS: Wow, right in the kisser. So how do you, Kellyanne, reconcile these political hate crimes which I believe those are, and we have a guy later in the show who got a gun pulled to him because he was wearing a MAGA hat and now you have a guy getting punched in the face, and then, these other hate crime hoaxes and Jesse Smollett which gets so much attention, there's just very unbalanced coverage.

CONWAY: Well, it's completely unbalanced, and look, people -- there are always going to be liars out there, but their enablers in the mainstream media are really what should concern everyone because people are charged with delivering us the news, not their opinions, not the likes and retweets on Twitter, not what they hope is the truth, but what is the truth.

You just saw the man be assaulted, a crime committed against him on the videotape. We all know what we see, and yet when Jussie Smollett came out and gave his account, none of the headlines, all the coverage, none of them said Jussie Smollett says he was attacked. It says, he is a victim of a racist homophobic attack by MAGA people. Very few people, if any, in the media used the words "alleged" or even just attribute it as his account.

The only question they had was is it a hate crime, and look what's happened there. So, what is happening is the whole first facts truth, truth, truth crowd really invents their own according to who the perpetrator is, who the victim is, but I want that guy found who punched and assaulted. That is a crime, what you say. That guy should be found, expelled from the school and held to account in California.

WATTERS: All right, thank you very much, Kellyanne. I appreciate it.

CONWAY: Thank you, Jesse.

WATTERS: Coming up, a "Watters' World" exclusive. We have a Trump supporter, as I said, who had a gun pointed at his head just for wearing a MAGA hat. But up next, the Jussie Smollett episode winners and losers. Stick around.



SMOLLETT: If I had said it was a Muslim or a Mexican, or someone black, I feel like the doubters would have supported me a lot of much more.


WATTERS: Race -- just one of many parts of Jussie Smollett's story to quickly unravel and blew up in his face.

The actor out on a $100,000.00 bond, charged with felony disorderly conduct for filing a false police report, facing up to three years in prison if convicted and he has been dropped by the show, "Empire" for the final two episodes of the season.

Here for reaction, former Deputy Assistant to President Trump, Dr. Sebastian Gorka, the author of the book, "Why We Fight." So, Dr. Gorka, he is just a greedy, lying con artist, and the media was either too stupid to check the story out or they didn't want to check the story out because it was too big to fail. How do you see it?

SEBASTIAN GORKA, FORMER DEPUTY ASSISTANT TO PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Never let facts get in the way of a good left-wing narrative.


GORKA: That's what we saw with the Covington School boys. That's what we saw in the reverse with this individual. Look, on the left, reality is optional, Jesse. You know that better than anyone else. The stunning thing is, this individual who has been caught on camera with his accomplices buying the materials for this fake hate crime, used a check to pay for it and then what does he do this week? He pleads not guilty. Not guilty.

WATTERS: Right. I love the check, too. What was that? Didn't Jerry Springer pay a prostitute with a check? You never pay a prostitute with a check. You never commit a crime with a check. I think Charles Barkley mentioned that on TNT the other day.


WATTERS: Let's listen to that.


CHARLES BARKLEY, FORMER NBA PLAYER: America, let me just tell you something.

KENNY SMITH, HOST, TNT: What's that?

BARKLEY: Do not commit crimes with checks. Come on, man. You cannot -- if you are going to break the law, do not write a check, because when you're writing a check, then what? You need to cash up. You need to get cash, man.


WATTERS: But you know what? It's funny, but it's not because he knew that the media would buy his hoax, and Robin Roberts at "GMA" went along with it. Many of the people across cable went along with it, and everybody like you and I were thinking from the get-go, this story doesn't make sense. But we didn't say anything because if we had said something, we would have been destroyed by the left-wing media as racists and conspiracy theorists, just for asking questions.

GORKA: Look, Jesse, I now have a national radio show. I didn't comment on this case until this week because I wanted the facts. I didn't jump on some narrative bandwagon. But yes, look, there are two serious things about this.

In the weeks since this hoax was perpetrated, 31 people were murdered in Chicago. In 26 of those cases, they haven't made an arrest. Not one arrest. In the meantime, 24 detectives were being wasted on this fraud. Secondly, this individual has actually perpetrated a hate crime because he has blamed white Trump supporters.

This is a man who is a minority member and homosexual and is in a TV show, or was until this week. In dozens of countries around the world, this person would never have had the opportunities that he has had in America.

In dozens of countries, his sexual preferences would have led to him being a criminal and in many countries in the Middle East, he would have risked execution just for being a homosexual and now, he is trying -- he wants --

WATTERS: Yes, he took for granted everything he had in this country, all the opportunities and I believe he owes every single one of Donald Trump's supporters an apology -- all 60 million of them because that's who he actually framed.

You mentioned earlier, too. You want to wait until the facts come out. The Democrats didn't do it with Kavanaugh. They didn't do it with Covington. They didn't do it with Jussie Smollett, and it's innocent until proven guilty if you are on their side and guilty as charged if you are not on their side and it's totally against what the founding principles of this country are, and it's getting the Democrats in a lot of trouble.

Because now, the Democratic Presidential candidates have fallen for hoaxes, and the media, what little credibility they have is shot. I'll give you the last word.

GORKA: Yes, just on Friday, Kamala Harris who originally in a tweet called this a modern-day lynching, she tweeted out a statement Friday. Nowhere, nowhere did she apologize for jumping on the bandwagon and called this a lynching. This is a person who thinks she should be the next President of the United States? That's everything you need to know about the left. As my good friend, Chris Palmer said --

WATTERS: Yes, and was a prosecutor. So she should know what to look for when people are perpetrating fraudulent acts. Dr. Gorka, got to run. But as always -- I've got to run, as always, listen to Dr. Gorka's radio show. You won't be disappointed. All right.

GORKA: Thanks, Jesse.

WATTERS: Up next, an expert in hate crime hoaxes. He has this huge list, you are not going to believe what he's got.


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WATTERS: The Jussie Smollett hate crime hoax, just the latest in a string of fake crimes unfolding in the Trump era, but hoaxes go way back, just ask Obama Chief Strategist, David Axelrod.


DAVID AXELROD, FORMER OBAMA CHIEF STRATEGIST: In Chicago there was an old tradition of throwing a brick through your own campaign office window and then calling a press conference to say that you've been attacked.


WATTERS: Here to run us through some of the hate crime hoaxes making headlines, freelance journalist, Andy Ngo. So Andy, you made a lot of news this week because you posted on your Twitter feed all of these hate crime hoaxes going back -- there are just dozens and dozens of them. It really picked up, I think right during the Trump election. But right even before that summer, all the death threats at these Jewish Community Centers across the country. Everybody blamed Trump supporters, the rise of Trump, this is what we were going to see if Trump were elected, what really happened with those threats though?

ANDY NGO, FREELANCE JOURNALIST: The incident you are referring to was perpetrated by Juan Thompson, a black man who used to be a reporter with a left-wing media outlet, "The Intercept."

Now, he has -- if you looked on his social media history, he expressed many, many racial grievances and for whatever reason, he made many death threats to Jewish institutions across this country and that was used to -- of course the media used that to blame Trump for creating a so-called climate of the anti-Semitism emboldening his --

WATTERS: Right, so at this point, in the summer of 2016, the media is already starting to foment the beginning of the Trump hate crime era. But it was a black journalist, not a Trump supporter that was calling in these threats.

And then, November 2016, right after the election, they really start to percolate, these hate crime hoaxes. South Philly neighborhood vandalized with pro-Trump, anti-black messages, "Trump rules, black (EXPLETIVE)," spray painted on to cars and homes. That's just one example, what happened there?

NGO: Well, it was a black man who was responsible for that, and I think that particular incident highlights not only are these hoaxes immoral, they are not really good liars. Nobody says, "Trump rules." Similar to like, nobody would say, "This is MAGA country."

WATTERS: I know. Some of these slogans, these things don't come out of the mouths of Trump supporters, "Trump rules." "This is MAGA country." I mean, alarm bells go off. I mean, I have dozens and dozens of swastikas being painted. People writing the "N" word all over things. And in case after case after case, these people who are perpetrating hoaxes and these are not Trump supporters doing it.

We are not saying hate crimes don't exist, they do and they are horrific and they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But fake crimes also need to be prosecuted. In your opinion, and you have studied this and you've seen this. Psychologically, why do people commit hate crime hoaxes?

NGO: I have not studied this academically. But it is of my view that because I was in university not too go long ago and the prevailing ethos and culture there was that of grievance and victimhood, and I think what we are witnessing now is that this grievance ideology and victimhood culture has leaked out of the academe into mainstream society, culture and politics.

We are seeing it really as a cynical ploy being used particularly by some Democratic Presidential hopefuls. I think it's emblematic of an illness in America where we are essentially worshiping victimhood. And I think the lesson to be learned is that to expect more of this as long as skepticism and caution is demonized and that we are told over and over to always believe in an alleged victim.

Victims absolutely exist, but case after case as we had in the past, we had Tawana Brawley, we had what happened to the --

WATTERS: Yes, I mean listen, the culture continuously rewards victims. They can be financially rewarded, awarded in academia, they get fame -- everything, and the minute you question that, all hell rains down on you, and it's a sad state of affairs. All right, Andy, got to run. Thank you very much for your reporting.

NGO: My pleasure.

WATTERS: Still ahead, a man who had a gun pulled on him for being a Trump supporter. But first, what political slogans are working and which ones are not?


TRUMP: Build that wall. Build that wall. Build that wall.




TRUMP: We are building a wall on the southern border.

Building a wall.

We will build the wall.

Build a great wall along the southern border.

Build that wall! Build that wall! Build that wall!


WATTERS: Build the wall, Make America Great Again -- political catch phrase can make or break a candidate as a powerful rallying cry. Here to look at the effectiveness of political phrasing, pollster Frank Luntz.

All right, Frank, you're the best at this in the business, when the President says "Build the wall," and he's talking about the wall constantly. Is that a good move or is there another word you would like him to use?

FRANK LUNTZ, POLLSTER: I don't choose what word he uses. He should know that 41% of Americans want him to build that wall. A majority, in the lower mid-50s wants to build a barrier, over 70% want a combination of technology and people and some sort of barrier. The President is correct.

WATTERS: So he should say "Build that barrier."

LUNTZ: No, but you know what, this is more than an applause line, and if he wants to go from 41% job approval up to 50%, he has got the right idea. But in this case, "Build the wall" appeals to his base, most of the viewers who are watching right now, but he could be doing so many better if he expanded the communication.

WATTERS: Okay, also a phrase used constantly by the left and the right, "Collusion," but also the "witch hunt" which the President likes to say. Let's listen.


TRUMP: This is a pure and simple witch hunt.

Phony witch hunt.

A Russian witch hunt.

The witch hunt that has been going on forever. No collusion. No nothing.

Zero collusion.

No collusion at all.


WATTERS: Okay, "collusion" and "witch hunt" and "hoax." What do you make of those?

LUNTZ: I don't think most of Americans knew what the word "collusion" was until about a year ago.


LUNTZ: So this has been very good for America's vocabulary. The issue is that these people are putting politics over people. They are -- if I were advising him on this, I don't have a better word than "witch hunt."

WATTERS: You think "witch hunt" is the right phrase.

LUNTZ: Because it's true. For what he's trying to communicate, I think that works best because we all understand when something is unfair and something is improper.

WATTERS: Okay, good. The Democrats like to say there's going to be a Green New Deal, I guess playing off the old FDR phrase, but then adding "green" in front of it. How do you think that's working? It's just beginning to start.

LUNTZ: I know it's working well. We did a survey on it and 80% of Americans thought it was a good idea. They have no idea what it is, but a Green New Deal, it works for them.

WATTERS: It sounds great.

LUNTZ: I'm going to give you another example, Medicare for All has over 60% support, only 25% opposition because the public believes that Medicare works and they want to share - they honestly want to share the wealth.

So in this case, the Democrats have a very effective labeling of this issue. But when they learn the truth about it, when they learn the details, I think the public will change its mind.

WATTERS: All right, the devil is in the details. All right, Frank, thank you very much.

LUNTZ: Thank you.

WATTERS: A Kentucky man held at gunpoint just for wearing his MAGA hat. He joins me next on "Watters' World."


WATTERS: A scary moment for a Kentucky couple last weekend after a man allegedly pulled a gun on them at a Sam's Club and threatened their lives simply for wearing their "Make America Great Again" hats.

Fifty-seven-year-old James Phillips was arrested immediately and charged with first degree wanton endangerment. The victim, Terry Pierce joins me now.

So Terry, take us through what happened. You are at Sam's Club, you're with your wife. You have got your MAGA hat on. What happened next?

TERRY PIERCE, ATTACKED FOR WEARING "MAGA" HAT: Well, we was walking to the check outline and Mr. Phillips was approaching us. I had turned to look at my wife and was talking with her when he flipped us off.

WATTERS: He gave you the finger?

PIERCE: And her facial expression changed instantly. Yes, he gave us the finger -- and her facial expression changed instantly and she said that he flipped us off and when I spun around, I'd seen his hands going down with his finger still up.

And she said, "Excuse me, did you flip us off." And he turned our and went into an expletive tirade, "Yes, I did because of those hats." And that's when I decided to confront him about it.

WATTERS: All right, so then it kind of moved out into the parking lot. You were defending your wife's honor. He then allegedly pulled a gun on you?

PIERCE: No, actually, Jesse -- no, Jesse, actually, it was still inside the store. I had walked around. He was trying to walk away and I went in front of him and put my finger in his face and said, "What gives you the right to flip me off just because of the hat that I wear?" And he started in again. So another altercation occurred and that's when he drew a .40 caliber pistol and stuck it in my face inside the store with numerous people around.

WATTERS: Okay, so there's witnesses. He pulled the gun out, pointed it to your head. What did he say when he pulled the gun out?

PIERCE: He said, "This is a good day for you to die."


PIERCE: And I simply replied to him, "Then pull the trigger. You're either going to pull the trigger or you're going to put the gun down and face me like a man," and he started backing up and as he was backing up, we're still arguing. He said again, "Yes, this is a good day for to you die." And I warned him again, because I kept walking towards him. I said, "Then pull the trigger or put the gun down and face me like a man. That's the only two choices you've got."


PIERCE: And we kept arguing, and as he backed up, he took the gun and stuck it in the back of his belt -- the back side of his belt. And one of the management from Sam's Club had stepped around the corner and said, "Did he pull a gun on you?" And I turned and looked at him and I said, "Yes, he did and I am going after him." And when I turned around, he was gone.

WATTERS: Well, listen, it's amazing that someone has a gun pulled on them simply for wearing a "Make America Great Again" hat. I assume you haven't been contacted by a lot of mainstream media reporters, you know, if this had been the other way, you probably would have been on every single TV show. But, you know --

PIERCE: I guarantee it.

WATTERS: No one should be threatened for wearing a political hat on either side of the aisle. I am glad you and your wife are okay, and hopefully, this guy serves some hard time.

PIERCE: Thank you.

WATTERS: Terry, thank you very much.

PIERCE: I hope so. Thank you.

WATTERS: Up next, "Last Call."


WATTERS: Time now for "Last Call." Amazing video out of California where a Sheriff's Deputy traded gunfire with a suspect earlier this week and it was all caught on her body cam. Watch this.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Shots fired, shots fired.


WATTERS: Authorities confirm the man, Javier Hernandez-Morales was in the U.S. illegally and actually had been deported three times prior to 2011. He died at the scene. Immigration officials said the whole thing could have been prevented, but California's laws stopped them from arresting the Mexican despite his criminal past.

That's all for us tonight. Be sure to follow me on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter.

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