Jordan's terror retaliation vs. President Obama's ISIS strategy

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," February 4, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Greg Gutfeld along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, and she once got a concussion from a snowflake, it's Dana Perino. This is "The Five."

Well, that didn't take long. After ISIS burned to death a Jordanian pilot, Jordan responded with a round of golf. I kid. They executed two terrorists with a promise of more to come. I say good job, Jordan. Although we know ISIS doesn't care. Death to them is deliverance to a better place where sheep are traded up for virgins as their sad lives enter a glorious eternity of adolescent fantasy.

And what of our mellow fellow, the commander in cool? Mr. President says we will redouble our efforts.


PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: I think we'll redouble the vigilance and determination on the part of a global coalition to make sure that they are degraded and ultimately defeated.


GUTFELD: "Redouble." An admission we clearly weren't doing enough. But I thought that anything we could be doing we are doing, Savannah?


OBAMA: Anything that we could be doing, Savannah, we are doing.


GUTFELD: Color me confused. So anything we could be doing, we're doing, yet we're redoubling? How can you redouble the max? If you can redouble anything, then that anything wasn't much. It's like redoubling your workout if you're only doing one situp.

So Jordan says enough. Good, they're pissed. Better: If only we'd get angry here. We still don't see Americans taking to the streets screaming for justice, unless it's against our own police.

What's missing is "that guy." What we used to call a leader, one that unites good against evil. Years ago it had a name, Churchill, Reagan. It was a thing that recognized evil, calling it out by name. Our own leader? "Whatever."


OBAMA: And it also just indicates the degree to which whatever ideology they're operating off of, it's bankrupt.


GUTFELD: "Whatever." Yeah, whatever.

I finally figured him out: Barack Obama, "President Whatever." We wanted a spine instead, we got a shrug.

So K.G., I know you as a former prosecutor, you are for, an eye for an eye. What do you make of what Jordan did, and what do you think is going to come after that?

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Well, again, when you have a leadership vacuum, someone will step in and take control of the situation. I couldn't be more impressed with the way the king of Jordan has handled this. I wish we had that. We crave that in the United States. And I just hope that we can outlast this barbaric jihad that they're engaging in and do something about it. I don't know what else it's going to take to convince the president to get involved. But when you look at his language and language is important, because if he won't even call out the enemy or identify them properly by name, you're not even in the game. And he calls them an organization.


GUILFOYLE: The boy scouts are an organization.

GUTFELD: Exactly.

GUILFOYLE: That's how far off this man is.

GUTFELD: Herbalife (ph) is an organization.



ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: The JV basketball team.

GUTFELD: Yeah. Which is now varsity, I believe.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. Exactly, I mean, where is he going with this?

GUTFELD: Bob, you've been on this before. But when he says whatever ideology it is, it seems that he appears to be more worried about Islamophobia than the actual Islamoterror which is a handicap.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Well, I've heard this discussion before. First of all, can I repeat the beginning of the show, it's something difficult -- my butt hurts. OK, now, you can argue about his words he uses and the rest of it. And I think you're right, the world does need a leader here, but let's keep in mind that there's a lot of other countries sitting on the sidelines here. Now, maybe it would be if Obama were more active again and be there, I'm not so sure. I think there are a lot of countries that out to be in it and are in it. And the -- I mean, how much more do you need?

GUILFOYLE: But we're talking about our guy who's also apparently bad at math. Again, if you're at the max, how can you double the max? I mean, he doesn't get it.

BECKEL: Well, his -- but you know, let's give -- let's also give some credit here. We're the only military that's engaged in this thing, really. Yeah, I mean --

BOLLING: That's not --

GUILFOYLE: That is just not true.

GUTFELD: That is --


GUILFOYLE: Why don't you tell that to Jordan and the pilot that was burned alive in a cage.

BOLLING: More Arab -- Arab coalition countries that are actively bombing ISIS. Actively, there are about -- maybe 8 or 10 who are involved through other methods. Four of them are in the air. Actually, UAE has just said that they will not bomb.


DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Until they have more support from the U.S.

BOLLING: Well, let me know when you're done because you set up couple of things.

BECKEL: But I like this was in the middle of a sentence. And there are four Arab countries that are involved that are in the air.


BECKEL: Doing this, I was going to make that point.


BECKEL: And there are -- yes, there are countries adding one thing or another. But there's war. The Saudis could do more. I'm very -- I'm more and more convinced the Saudis are -- because they've had their own problems and they -- and their, who's going to be (inaudible) but they could do a lot more than that. But I was going to say that, but thank you for finishing my thought.

BOLLING: Well, I just want to hear.


BECKEL: I'm sitting here trying to get through my sentences, you finished it.

BOLLING: So you have a problem with us talking about President Obama -- calling out his words, what he's using, how he's describing ISIS. How about what he's doing instead? Let's talk about -- with just what's happened in the last 24 hours. Within hours of the Jordanian pilot being burned alive on videotape, the -- King Abdullah went back to Jordan. And on his way back, two people -- two terrorists were executed. That's an action. Our guy, as Kimberly points out. Remember when our guy was beheaded? Obama went back to the golf course. Back to the golf course and said nothing. He came to the -- stage that was set up, said a few words, and within six minutes was golfing again. King Abdullah is back killing terrorists. I'd say those actions speak louder than Obama's words. And one more -- one more thought. The other thing we are doing, we're getting back GITMO terrorists.

GUILFOYLE: And where should they go? Give them to Jordan. They'll hang them.

BOLLING: Beholding these guys.


BOLLING: Or finding more and putting them at GITMO, we're giving them back. I mean, you want to talk -- forget words. You're right, Bob. Let's talk about actions.

BECKEL: Well, OK. In this country, we don't -- we don't go back home and execute people.

BOLLING: When they're guilty? Right.

GUTFELD: Dana. Is this gonna get worse because we've suffered from a lack of leadership? There seems to be a vacuum here?

PERINO: In talking to some people today that are -- involved in the counter extremism efforts, I think that they are alarmed. They feel like lessons learned over the past 14 years, have not been heard by the White House. They have -- on Friday they are supposed to release a new counterterrorism strategy. OK, this is going to be -- this a document that is a little bit late in the making, but they're supposed to release it on Friday. Not to a great fanfare.


PERINO: There could be a speech at the Brookings Institute.

GUTFELD: Oh, nice.

PERINO: By Susan Rice, that will be interesting that --

GUTFELD: Well, that's pastries.

PERINO: One thing also about King Abdullah, we talked about a little bit later -- yesterday, and we're gonna get a chance to talk to Shep who's on the ground. He returned to his country to cheers.


PERINO: One of the questions was, would it be cheers, or -- are there -- is there going to be a pull for Jordan to back away? And I think the reason he was cheered is that citizens want to be led, and they respond to strength.


PERINO: And I think that's what America is asking of its leader now.

BECKEL: Let's also remember, he went back with a half billion dollars. You made this point yesterday. You give him assistance, now it's a billion dollars. It was late in coming, it should be but that's good. That's better than nothing, right?

GUTFELD: But -- to your point, President Obama says he doesn't want to do anything for the sake of press. So in a weird way, he's not acting because of press. He says I'm not gonna do anything for headlines. Maybe doing something for a headline might be a good idea. A headline that says good job, act like a president. I want to go to -- I want to jump ahead. Senator McCain, this is an exchange with him. He was talking to the Defense Secretary Nominee, Ashton Carter, about -- potential strategy against terror, do we have that?


JOHN MCCAIN, SENATOR: Do you believe we have a strategy at this time?

ASHTON CARTER, DEFENSE SECRETARY NOMINEE: I believe I understand our strategy at this time, Mr. Chairman.

MCCAIN: What do you understand the strategy to be?

CARTER: I think the -- strategy connects, ends and means, and our ends with respect to ISIL needs to be its lasting defeat.

MCCAIN: That sound like a strategy to me.


GUTFELD: With me -- (ph) since put -- (ph)

PERINO: I think what Ashton Carter was describing was a goal.


PERINO: OK. What people are actually looking for and how are we going to achieve the goal.


PERINO: How -- what are the benchmarks for that? You know three secretaries of -- two secretaries of defense and the secretary of state -- I'm sorry, three secretaries of defense have all left.


PERINO: Because of complaints about micromanaging of national security efforts from the White House. And I hope that Ashton Carter has better luck, because he does seem like a worthwhile nominee. But, if they're being micromanaged at the White House, there's not a lot he can do.

GUTFELD: Kimberly.


GUTFELD: Are we just not gonna get a lot done until there's a new president.


GUTFELD: In the next two years? ISIS is --

PERINO: That's very dangerous.

GUTFELD: That's the mistake that they're --

GUILFOYLE: That's the problem, because they're continuing to make advances and it's going -- you know, unanswered. I mean, look at this, it's not getting better. It's getting worse. I mean, I agree with Krauthammer. Let's declare war against ISIS. Let's knock this out -- how about today, and let's do this. Why are we still saying degrade? That is the first word that this president uses. Are we still stuck on degrade? What is degrading doing?

BECKEL: Fact is, we're degrade --

GUILFOYLE: That's allowing them to survive.

BECKEL: We're degrade.

GUILFOYLE: We're not, bob.

BECKEL: Yes it. They --

GUILFOYLE: We're not.

BECKEL: They lost a major town, and I will give Kurds a lot of credit for this, but ISIS is not -- it is not what it was six months ago and --

PERINO: Bob --


PERINO: It's not true.


BECKEL: What? The Kurds --

PERINO: They're talking about Kobani.


PERINO: That was a good effort. However, in the meantime, they gained 30 percent more territory within Syria, right?

BECKEL: Within Syria, right.

PERINO: So, we have saved one town and lost 30 percent more territory. So you cannot say that they are being degraded.

BECKEL: They would go -- well, you can't say by losing Kobani that that's not something -- all I'm saying is (inaudible) back here playing tiddly (ph) winks. That's not the case.

PERINO: No, I think what we're saying is what we are doing is not enough. Which is why the president is confusing people when he says, we are doing everything we could be doing.


PERINO: On, on Sunday. And on Tuesday, he says we're going to redouble our efforts.

BOLLING: You know what we haven't heard -- and it would be refreshing if some one of these people stepped up and said -- addressed this issue. Let's talk about the money. Think about this. As ISIS grows, they have to be generating more and more income.


BOLLING: Now, the oil revenues have gone down, because of the price of oil.

GUILFOYLE: UN is not that.

BOLLING: We're taking back --

BECKEL: Also lost oil fields.

BOLLING: We're trying to take back the oil fields -- that's smart, but what about the other things? What about all the other countries that are helping finance them? What about calling those countries out saying, if you negotiate with them or if you transfer money to them, you're gonna considered one of them, or Turkey, if you're buying the oil that they're selling on the black market.


BOLLING: You -- look, do you need really, honestly, of all these countries -- Turkey's probably the most important to say, we're involved in this. We're gonna fight this as -- aggressively as you are, United States.

GUILFOYLE: And why doesn't Congress do a declaration?

BOLLING: But there not to (ph) Part of the problem --

GUTFELD: What about the U.N.?

BOLLING: Turkey's not (ph)

GUILFOYLE: The U.N. is interested in -- you know, connecting the dots, like a little Yahtzee Board or something about the finances. So we'll get back to them.

PERINO: I give them some --

GUILFOYLE: But in the meantime, somebody should step in.

PERINO: I give the U.N. a little bit of credit though. I checked the press releases today, just to see what they had said.


PERINO: Because I thought that they would come down hard against the King of Jordan for the actions taking against.


PERINO: The terrorists that they executed, and there was nothing. And I think that they are being, they are restraining themselves from saying something, and that actually could be progress.


BECKEL: Eric's part about turkey is so true. I mean, there is a country that is so critical and yet it's split itself. You've got people there in that military that are perfectly happy with ISIS. And their major division, particularly the officers corps and the younger officers so --

BOLLING: What you have -- no, but you have ISIS surrounded unless Turkey lets them out. You have literally, you have U.S., and strong allies all the way around, water on one side. You only out what they have.

GUILFOYLE: Get a pressure, pressure (ph) on Turkey.

BOLLING: There's most (ph) on Turkey -- you know, through Syria, north to Turkey. If they let them out, all bets are off. They need to -- they'll be differently step up.

GUTFELD: That's why you're shaking your head like a head-shaking person.

PERINO: No, that was just -- I think I've given Bob enough of a hard time.

GUTFELD: Alright.

PERINO: I'll let it go.

GUTFELD: Alright. I -- I just think President Obama has telegraphed his weakness, by telling people that he's not committed to do everything.

GUILFOYLE: What (inaudible) yeah.

GUTFELD: We're in trouble, more to come.

GUILFOYLE: Congress. There's congress.

GUTFELD: Yeah, there is Congress. More to come on the fight against ISIS ahead, Shep Smith just made his way to the Middle East and he is going to join us live from Jordan, next.


PERINO: Back now to Jordan's response to the brutal murder of one of its air force pilots by ISIS. We want to bring in Shepard Smith who made his way to Jordan's capital, Amman. He joins us live. And Shep, I watch your show every day, and you've been covering this story from New York. And I wondered how different is it for you on the ground tonight? Is it giving you any different perspective than what you've seen?

SHEPARD SMITH, ANCHOR, 'SHEPARD SMITH REPORTING': I think it's given me an idea of what everybody meant. I have a serious mix/minus problem. But I think it's giving me an idea of what they meant when they said that they were divided and maybe in so many cases people aren't divided as much anymore. You know, Jordan -- the people of Jordan in many cases blame the United States, to begin with, for the rise of ISIS, because the fact that the United States toppled Saddam Hussein without a real plan to follow it up. And so many of the people of Jordan are from the Palestinian territories, and they, specifically, believe that the United States is complicit in their problems. So, it's easy to see what -- it's easier to know what you're against than it is to know what you're for. I think after this -- after this brutal murder, the man on the street will tell you we are all united now with the fight against ISIS must happen. But I think a lot of the locals who advised us have great questions about how long that sentiment will last, if this is a window of opportunity, how long it will remain open. And really, how forthright the people are here with their deeper feelings about this conflict. It's much more complicated for me here than it is for all of us back home.

BOLLING: Shep, can I ask you. Were you there prior to the two al-Qaeda terrorists being killed, or did you arrive after they were already killed?

SMITH: They killed them at dawn today, and we didn't arrive till hours after 11-hour flight from New York, so we left there at 10:30, got here at 9:30 in the morning.

BOLLING: So my question is OK. So you've been there -- eight hours, nine hours or so. Has -- has it changed? Has the feeling changed among the people there? Have they -- because we had seen pictures of them in squares, you know, protesting, yelling, screaming, kill them, kill ISIS. Has that calmed down?

SMITH: Well, the protests have calmed down, and a lot. And my understanding of the reason for that is from talking with so many people here, the people really are in mourning. To see this was a horror and for many people a life-changing experience. For the people of Jordan, this man of such prominence from a tribe of such prominence and such influence, to see him treated in that way and to be burned alive in that way really united people here in the feeling that they are very much against ISIS and something has to be done and done now. Go after ISIS. Now, the specifics of how you do that are sort of a gray area. The king hasn't spoken live on television or anything like that here. We're just past midnight now. There's a widespread belief that King Abdullah will most likely speak tomorrow, and they'll get an idea of what his plans are and what his conversations were, maybe to some extent with President Obama about United States help. It feels like the people of Jordan want to be united around this cause, but the details will let us know how united.

BECKEL: Shep, this is Bob. I was -- hopeful, anyway, that this might bring Jordan together in opposition to ISIS and that other countries would follow. But it occurs to me that Jordan has always been sort of an outlier in the Arab world because they signed the peace treaty with Israel, and that's always been a rub with the Jordanians, both internally and around the region. Is that -- do you think it's an accurate assessment, or is that not the case? You're not sure with assessment.

SMITH: I think that's part of a very big puzzle here. No, that's part of it, to ask the locals, I've been here many times before and been told all along that that makes them somewhat of an outlier. That so many Jordanians are Palestinians. And, so many of them see Jordan at one point or another having sided with Israel, and they see that as siding against the Palestinians. It's understandable that it would be such a complex thing on the street here, but I think that this -- what had this brutality that just happened, this unthinkable criminal act. An act of terrorism, that something like that would draw them together makes perfect sense, that there would be a window of opportunity here, makes sense to me, and it's what I've heard from everyone here. I think the matter that's in question is how long are they going to have this kind of support? Will the king, along with the United States and other allies and the coalition being able to act in a substantial way, and might it includes ground forces by Jordan. Washington Post reporter with whom I spoke earlier this afternoon, Eastern Time, suggested that that's under consideration. If they get to public discussion of that, right now it's a trial balloon. If they get to public discussion of that, I think we'll be able to have a better idea of how united they are.

GUILFOYLE: Shepard, hi, it's Kimberly. So I just want to get some sense. The United States agreeing to increase our support annually to Jordan from $600 million to about $1 billion, do you get a sense of whether or not they feel that is going to be sufficient? Given the importance of Jordan to the United States, geopolitically from an intelligence perspective, not including also the refugees, the large number that they are housing and taking care of from Iraq and Syria?

SMITH: Yeah, I think they'll take what they can get you know, you mentioned the refugee crisis estimates anywhere from 800,000 to 1.3 million people who are refugees from the nations you just mentioned. And that crisis is growing. It's not de-escalating. It's escalating with every day of the war in Syria and beyond, that refugee crisis continues. They -- they certainly need the funds. It seems to me that they need this show of unity as much as anything else. The Jordanian people often say they are outside the realm of influence. And if they're going to be part of this, they want to have a say in this. King Abdullah, on a large stage in that way, speaking with the president and now at some point gonna make some sort of statement here. I get the sense that all of that sort of thing matters to people here. And I haven't spoken with anyone who didn't feel very strongly about avenging the death of this Jordanian hero.


SMITH: I still can't get over having watched it. And I have to get the sense most people here watched it. And I get the sense they don't want to see anything like that again.

GUTFELD: Hey, Shep, it's Greg. I got two questions about the video that you watched. It was -- it appears very professional, sleek, contemporary, so my first question is, do you sense a western influence in the making of the video, and number two, I have mixed feelings about how much attention should be given to the video. Do you see it as a recruitment tool or a revulsion tool? Or do they cancel each other out?

SMITH: Well, I -- the answer to your first question, I don't know if it's western influence or not. I actually asked some of our technical staff in New York about that. There -- there's certainly -- it could have been a group of people coming together because there are some elements of the way middle eastern videos are put together in it, the way video so many of the elements come forward at you. Who knows who was involved in it, it might have been a western or certainly could have. They recruited thousands of westerners into their cause. But on the matter of whether it's a recruiting tool or something that -- unites the opposition, maybe it's both, but so many who have seen it here have said who could ever be a part of something like that? By way of example, the Muslim brotherhood, which one week ago here in Amman was on the steps of the palace with signs waving, why are we part of this war against ISIS? This is not Jordan's war. The Muslim brotherhood came out in support of the campaign against ISIS and in solidarity against ISIS. There's been no Islam-related group throughout this region that hasn't come out. You mentioned the word revulsion. How could you have anything else? So that's been the effect among people outside of ISIS. If it's a recruiting tool, you have to wonder who that's bringing in, people who would take a torch and ceremoniously light a human being on fire. If they're looking for people who are tough and want to show that they are and looking for some way out of whatever depravity they're in the middle of, whatever -- dead-end street that they see their life on, putting a torch to another human being in a cage doesn't exactly show much of a way out. So the hope is here, and I think beyond it around the world and in our newsroom back in New York, that maybe they'll get fewer recruits because of that, not more.

PERINO: Alright, Shep, thank you so much for going there and for being with us tonight.

SMITH: You bet.

PERINO: OK. Did Jeb Bush kick off his presidential campaign today in Detroit? We have the details next.


JEB BUSH, FORMER GOVERNOR OF FLORIDA: The American dream has become a mirage for far too many. So the central question we face here in Detroit and across America is this. Can we restore that dream?



BOLLING: So has the government been lying to you about the unemployment rate in this country to make the economy appear stronger than it is. The labor department said unemployment fell to 5.6 percent in December, the lowest in 6 1/2 years. Many weren't buying that number around this table. Gallup isn't buying it either. The phone company's CEO calls this statistic one big lie.

Jim Clifton says, "Here's something that many Americans, including some of the smartest and most educated among us, don't know. If you, a family member or anyone is unemployed and has subsequently given up on finding a job, if you're so hopelessly out of work that you've stopped looking over the past four weeks, the Department of Labor doesn't even count you as unemployed."

All right. We're going to bring it around. Bob likes to cite the 5.6 percent unemployment rate, K.G. But the facts are if you add in all the people who this gentleman from Gallup...


BOLLING: ... talks about, you add them back into the economy. It's almost 10 percent.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, it's almost 10 percent. And according to Gallup, the unemployment rate has increased by over 1 percent since mid-December. So those are not good numbers.

And by the way, sometimes the proof is in the pudding. I mean, ask the American people, the people that are working, the middle-class Americans out there that are still struggling, people that have lost jobs or their jobs have been downsized to part-time, et cetera. They're still struggling. They want to know why they're not doing better.

So they can come up with whatever hocus-pocus numbers they want. The facts speak for themselves.

BOLLING: Seventeen-point-eight million Americans are unemployed or underemployed, Bob. Thirty-one point nine percent unemployed Americans have been jobless for 57 weeks.

BECKEL: Let me put it this way: 5.6 is a number that we're very happy with on my side. And we're going to take anything we can get. We had the string of bad news that we've had, I think it's just fine. It is better than it was, and it is getting better. It's just taking a long time.

BOLLING: Are you buying these numbers?

PERINO: Well, I would like Jim -- well, the numbers are, I understand why the White House uses them. And when any president does, right? It's the official number from the U.S. government until it's proven otherwise. And I think Jim Clifton makes a persuasive case.

He also wrote a book a few years ago. And I'm sorry that I can't remember the name of it, but it was about trends in the work force and the worries about over time how robots come in to take jobs and what we were doing and not doing in education and immigration to address those.

But the part -- that's dealing with the work force issues. The long-term unemployed, I think that that has bigger consequences for our government and our society than we are talking about. And it deserves some more attention. Because of the depression that centers around it, the despondency, what it might be doing to children, the worries, the humiliation. All of those things factor into costs to the society.

BOLLING: On average, unemployed Americans are out of work for 32 -- almost 33 weeks.

GUILFOYLE: Can you imagine the stress of that?

GUTFELD: To touch on the unemployment thing, a lot of the unemployment that they're touting is part-time, which is fitting for a part-time president. He's our first commander in chief to be hired through Kelly Services.

But it really is -- it's like one of those illusions you see in a psych book, a high school book, where the pie is in the same size. But they shrink the pie plate. So the pie looks bigger. So 94 percent of the population appears to be working after you stop counting those who don't.

The White House uses numbers like Play-Doh. They shape it to fit the hole they want.

BOLLING: We have to get this. We don't have a lot of time. Speaking of the economy, Jeb Bush gave a big address on it, the economy, today in Detroit. His first policy speech since announcing he's exploring a 2016 run.


JEB BUSH, FORMER GOVERNOR OF FLORIDA: Six years after the recession ended, median incomes are down. Households are on average poorer. And millions of people have given up looking for work altogether. Roughly two out of three American households live paycheck to paycheck. Any unexpected expense can push them into financial ruin.

We have a record number of Americans on Food Stamps and living in poverty. The recovery has been everywhere but in the family paychecks.


BOLLING: OK, D. Of note, the location that he decided to deliver that speech.

PERINO: Well, the Detroit -- the Detroit speech that almost every -- that's the coveted position for any politician to be able to go and give that speech, because it gets -- it's prominent, and also they have a serious problem. It's not just a Detroit focus speech, although he did talk about it. It was bigger. I think this is the beginning of what you'll see, not just from Jeb Bush but from Scott Walker and maybe some of the other candidates, like Rubio, trying to lay out their policy platforms in a way that will separate them a little bit from one another. Because on domestic policy, they kind of all agree on the big-picture stuff.

So the question is, then, could you actually implement that, and could you persuade enough voters to vote for you? And that's what I think people are going to start looking at.

GUTFELD: This election really -- it's good to be in Detroit. But this election is also about national security. We have a lot of instability all over the world. And we have a reign of terror feeding off it. We need a Rocky Balboa, and right now we have a Norman Bates.

GUILFOYLE: He's absolutely right. And the only thing that we've seen degraded or destroyed is the middle class in this country, thanks to President Obama and his failed policies because it is shrinking -- it is, Bob. Own it.

BOLLING: Go ahead.

BECKEL: It's not a question of owning it. It is a question of also taking into account that this economy is changing. Jobs are changing. Manufacturing is changing. A lot of jobs have left to other countries. A lot of -- the robotics that we talked about.

GUILFOYLE: That's America.

BECKEL: He's not outsourcing America. Companies are, and they're making decisions.

GUILFOYLE: You know why, Bob? Because it is not a favorable environment for businesses to do business here in the United States. They can do it cheaper, and they are not penalized and taxed to death like they are in this country.

BECKEL: If your business or company goes out of the marketplace, it's not going change dramatically and is changing dramatically, then you're living in a world that is not going to be here anymore.

BOLLING: We've got to go. Ahead, outgoing attorney general Eric Holder has words for Republicans who accuse him of turning the Justice Department into a political machine to push liberal causes. Holder unhinged next.


GUILFOYLE: Eric Holder's on his way out. But before he goes, the attorney general is taking some parting shots at Republicans.

He wasn't happy about the questioning of his would-be successor on the Hill last week. Loretta Lynch was asked if she'd be a political arm for the White House like Holder. He fired back with this yesterday.


ERIC HOLDER, OUTGOING ATTORNEY GENERAL: This notion that somehow or another this Justice Department has been politicized is totally inconsistent with the facts. You want to look at a...



GUILFOYLE: He's not political, but his words and actions over the years have indicated otherwise.

BECKEL: Can I just say...


HOLDER: Things racial, we have always been and we, I believe, continue to be in too many ways essentially a nation of cowards.

Any instance of so-called gun walking is simply unacceptable. Regrettably this tactic was used as part of Fast and Furious.

This Department of Justice does not enforce the laws in a race-conscious way.

With regard to the potential prosecution of the press for the disclosures material, that is not something that I've ever been involved in.


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All right. So Eric Holder is on his way out. Exit stage left.


GUILFOYLE: But now Loretta Lynch is coming in, who actually much prefer, Dana, in terms of...

GUTFELD: Me, too.

PERINO: I like her tone. I like her experience. I like her approach. I just -- there is something to be said about the tone and the bearing of your attorney general. And that was -- what Holder just did was a Saul Alinsky classic. Right? He's on the ropes, and instead it's like, "No, you're the problem." All of a sudden you're answering a question about something that happened eight years ago when there's plenty of evidence to point to that suggests that yes, there has been some politicization.

But as Bob has pointed out, that is -- you bring -- elections have consequences. People come to the Justice Department, and there are policies that they put in place, and there are emphases on specific cases or ignoring other cases. And that's certainly what they've done.

GUILFOYLE: Bolling, this guy is trying to say that he was not political at all. But in fact, it's -- he's widely credited with making the Department of Justice the most politicized it's ever been in the history of the United States.

BOLLING: I'll give you three examples.


BOLLING: During the Trayvon Martin discussion/debate, he said, "My father and I were followed around in a supermarket or grocery store." Not sure why the attorney general would have to add that commentary.

In Ferguson, he visited Ferguson, Missouri, during that. You've seen him visit many other places where there was unrest.

And then the one that really strikes me is that Al Sharpton visited the White House, visited the Department of Justice, allegedly told everyone that he was going to be involved in picking the next attorney general, that Al Sharpton himself was going to be involved in that selection process. He later retracted that, but still, that's -- those are all -- that's all politics. That doesn't sound like justice on any of them.

GUILFOYLE: It's all politics.

BECKEL: That sounds like stupidity. Would you put Al Sharpton on as a letter of recommendation?

PERINO: Well, if you're the No. 1 -- if the White House has you as its No. 1 fan, then maybe.

BECKEL: But I think let's follow this through a little bit. You know, part of which you call politicization -- I'm sorry, I was just stunned at the first part of the show -- everything -- every image I had was shattered. You all know what we're talking about, but it was shattered.

The fact is that there are things. There is emphasis. You come in, if you're conservative, you've got to push things that you want to deal with. You're a liberal, you're going to do it. Anybody deny that Holder's a liberal in the Justice Department? No. Does anybody deny the civil rights division expanded under Holder? No. That's the politics he brought into it. And that's -- that has not changed as long as I've known the attorney general.

BOLLING: He denied it.

BECKEL: It goes back to George Washington.

GUILFOYLE: I know. What about the IRS scandal? What about Fast and -- oh, this is all under review, yet he's going, making personal politicized comments in Ferguson, poking the cage and creating a racial situation of unrest that we don't need in this country.

And not to mention all the executive -- the opinions that he's provided the president with for these executive orders and a legal amnesty and all of that. I mean, don't get me started.

BECKEL: I know. For those of us who went through the '80s who got our tax returns pulled out, we might argue the other way.

GUILFOYLE: All right. No. Go ahead.

GUTFELD: For the modern left, every single thing is political. The personal is political.

To Holder, when you park your car, in his mind, you've taken a space that someone else deserved. And that type of ideology infects everything he does. Justice is revenge for the past injustices that you had no part in.

But I kind of agree with Bob. If you don't like the attorney general, win an election so you can appoint your own. But attorney general is basically a pit bull for the president. You elect the president, you get your pit bull. So for six years we've been hating this guy. You know, maybe win an election, you don't have to hate anybody. You can love.

GUILFOYLE: Well, but maybe we don't want a pit bull in there. We would like a standard poodle of high intelligence and character and integrity.

GUTFELD: Nobody wants a standard poodle. Nobody wants a standard poodle.

PERINO: That's not true.

BOLLING: A border collie.

GUTFELD: A border collie.

BOLLING: Think about that for a second.

GUTFELD: Maybe a toy poodle. They're delightful.

GUILFOYLE: Well, we've gone to the Animal Planet once again on this show. They should sponsor us.

Still to come, it's been a long three days for Patriots fans waiting to welcome home their team of champions. But the wait ended today. We're going to show you the big Super Bowl celebration in New England. That's ahead.


BECKEL: American relations -- Arab-American relations in this country are at a tenuous spot. Organizations like CAIR say Islamophobia is at the root of the problem. But it might be hard to convince people when tapes like this surface.




BECKEL: I'm sorry, folks. I was told to keep reading it, and somebody stopped me. OK. President Obama met -- we did that already?

PERINO: Here's what happened. OK. We'll move on, because it's important. What we're seeing is an increase in anti-Semitic behavior on college campuses.

BECKEL: Right, right.

PERINO: And that's what the video was showing. Right. And...

BECKEL: I'm sorry. I thought somebody said -- never mind. My butt hurts. All right. Let's get into -- this...

GUILFOYLE: Why don't you have that guy Carlos massage it?

BECKEL: Carlos, what?

PERINO: Can I talk about this seriously for a moment?

BECKEL: Yes, please. Go ahead.

PERINO: One of my favorite sites, news sites is Commentary magazine. And I encourage everybody to go there to take a look at the very good reporting about the increasing amount of anti-Semitic behavior not just in Europe that we've talked about a lot, but increasingly on college campuses all across America. Some of the best writing and reporting, and it's also just so important for us to be aware of it and to try to stamp it out.

GUILFOYLE: For example, at UC Davis this was occurring, which was a school that I went to. It's just shocking to see that kind of anti-Semitic behavior in the video. Right?

So this is some Palestinian students were protesting, and the student council voted 8-2 at UC Davis to cease and desist doing any business with any companies related or backed by Israel.

PERINO: And this is happening all across America.

BECKEL: Yes. That's what's unusual. You haven't seen this -- what it does say, though, is young Muslim students are getting more and more -- I don't want to use the word indoctrinated, but they're getting more organized, and they're learning more. And they're contributing to essentially what is happening in ISIS. You can say it any other way you want. It's not a function of learning about the history of Muslim-American relations.

GUTFELD: This is -- by the way, the worst part about it is this is not America. This is not the way our country operates. We are a melting pot. And what we are is we are inheriting the feuds of other -- of other areas of the world. We are inheriting the bad habits of troubled areas.

You know, being pro-Arab doesn't mean you are -- you should be anti- Semitic. But to an undergraduate on campus these days, where if you ask a professor where the bad parts of the world, they point at you, it's no surprise that this is happening everywhere. It's disgusting. This is not an American thing, and it has to be stopped.

GUILFOYLE: Well, and this is -- after this vote, right, endorsing the boycott of the Jewish state, they had a pro-Hamas groups, Students for Justice in Palestine, vandals spraying on specifically a fraternity house that belonged to the Jewish organization, API. How is this happening in America?

BECKEL: You know, let's keep in mind when the Irish came here, there was a huge number of people said -- demonstrated against them. It's happened over time. But this one I think is a little bit more dangerous, given the backdrop.

"One More Thing" is up next.

GUILFOYLE: What a show.


GUTFELD: Time for "One More Thing" -- Kim.

GUILFOYLE: Get the party on if you're a New England Patriot. That's all right. Hello. Would you like to see the celebration?


GUILFOYLE: In the cold. Take the video. And happiness. There you go. All the Patriots fans loving it, feeling a little vindicated.

GUTFELD: Who's the bald guy?

GUILFOYLE: OK, taking over my happy segment.

GUTFELD: No, just asking.

BOLLING: Where's Gisele?

GUILFOYLE: Honestly, that's what people tuned in for. I don't know.

BOLLING: A little too chilly for the Brazilian?

GUILFOYLE: I think the blood may be thin for the supermodels.

OK, that was it. Greg destroyed it.

GUTFELD: I did not!


PERINO: You know, it's not often that Congress comes together to get something done, but yesterday they did just that to present the Congressional Gold Medal to World War II veterans of the 1st Special Service Force. This is a medal that is given to a group after a long period of time. You kind of wonder why it took so long. But they did some of the most difficult fighting behind enemy lines, and they finally got their chance to be recognized by Congress yesterday. And I think we have a little bit of sound.


REP. JOHN BOEHNER (R-OH), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: For these men saved the free world, and now are free to savor the triumph and to share their stories for years to come. In that spirit, the United States men at the direction of the Congress and the president of the United States have struck a gold medal in honor of these 1st Special Service Force.


PERINO: I think he got emotional there, because being around World War II vets and knowing that there were not many left. It was important that they get that recognition.

GUTFELD: Yes. Hard not to.

All right. It's my turn. As a rule I do not wear silly hats, because everything lives forever on the Internet. But this is pretty awesome from Cindy Clark. She made this out of the scalp of a unicorn.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

GUTFELD: Look at this thing, huh?


BOLLING: It looks good on you.

GUTFELD: It does look good.

GUILFOYLE: Wait. Leave it on but take your hands down.

GUTFELD: It's already off, but I'd like to thank Cindy Clark for just another -- people just sending me unicorn stuff.

PERINO: But she made that. She worked hard. She didn't go out and buy that. She actually made that.

GUILFOYLE: That actually took a lot of time. Just one more time for posterity.

BOLLING: Are their horns a different color than their head?

GUTFELD: I have no idea.

PERINO: Yes. The golden horn. Yes.

GUTFELD: Very nice. Thank you very much.


GUILFOYLE: It's actually a super cute hat.

BECKEL: I want to say that, you know, I've supported Teddy Cruz for the Republican nomination, my man Teddy Cruz, and another reason has surfaced. And that is that Teddy, when asked whether he smoked marijuana as a young man. He didn't duck; he didn't hide. He had his staff go out and say yes, indeed. So one more time I will say to my man Teddy Cruz, honesty is needed in this country, and you and Rand Paul all together are a team.

GUTFELD: There you go. All right. Eric.

PERINO: ... endorsement.

BOLLING: I think didn't Jeb also say that he...

PERINO: I think I'm the only one left in America.

GUILFOYLE: No, me. Are you kidding me?

BECKEL: At the table -- only two people in America that only smoked dope?


BECKEL: You're the only two people I know.

GUILFOYLE: Who have not.

BECKEL: Have not, yes.


BECKEL: Keep getting...

GUILFOYLE: And Bob, look, look at what you're doing there. I mean, if this is ever a reason for people to not smoke, it's...

PERINO: Yes, obviously.


GUTFELD: We don't have a lot of time.

We did.


So "Walking Dead" Sunday night coming, season five is going to premiere, season dead of "Walking Dead," one of my favorite shows on TV. It's just a great show. And not because of the zombie stuff, because of the relationships back and forth.

That's all we've got time for, I guess.

BECKEL: No. You've got plenty of time.

BOLLING: I know.

PERINO: Are you not in the mood for "One More Thing"?

BOLLING: Well, it was lame.

GUTFELD: Well, you know what?

PERINO: Well, you can try again tomorrow.

GUTFELD: There's always tomorrow. You know, we've got a few more seconds. Set your DVRs so you never miss an episode of "The Five." See you later. "Special Report" next.

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