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Gutfeld on Joe Biden's apology

Unfortunately we live in a world where deliberate misinterpretation is weaponized.

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," July 8, 2019. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hi, I'm Greg Gutfeld with Katie Pavlich, Juan Williams, Jesse Watters, and she surfs on a stick of gum, Dana Perino -- "The Five."

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JOE BIDEN, FORMER U.S. VICE PRESIDENT: Now, was I wrong a few weeks ago to somehow give the impression to people that I was praising those men who I successfully opposed time and again? Yes, I was. I regret it. And I'm sorry for the pain or misconception that it may have caused anybody.

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GUTFELD: Finally, Joe Biden apologized, not for being a sleepy veep, but for admitting that he can work with people he disagreed with including awful Democrats from his very own party. To make his point he used segregationists who were the backbone of the Democratic Party. But unfortunately, we live in a world where deliberate misinterpretation is weaponized. Kamala Harris, new Biden wasn't being racist and that he wasn't complementing segregationist.

On the contrary, it was their heinousness that served the example well. Everybody knows that. But as long as there's room enough to slide in, I've got you. There's room enough to gain an edge. Among Democrats saying got you is speaking truth to power. So Joe's example of being able to work with racists became Joe's throwing slumber party with cross burners, while they braided each other's hair and wrote each other love poems in their yearbooks.

So now Biden limps along like an injured gazelle on the Serengeti, unaware that his apologies is but the first in a long line of ones he'll be giving because one is never enough, and two is just the appetizer. He'll be apologizing until the desert is served and the check comes. And Joe has been around a long time. For today's left, just being alive in the past is proof of collaboration and worthy of a witch burning. And remember, Joe was born less than 100 years after the end of slavery. So I want to feel bad for Joe, but then I remember this.

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BIDEN: You probably just don't want working class people voting. They don't want black folks voting. Unchain Wall Street. They're going to put you all back in chains.

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GUTFELD: Biden can smear with the best. So what goes around comes around. And today, everything comes around until Joe goes away.

Speaking of going away, I would offer a moment of silence for Mr. Eric Swalwell, but no one wants to lose a moment of silence from this show. But let's just -- do you want to just show his exit, whatever?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But we have to be honest about our own candidacies (INAUDIBLE). You know, American author, Louise L'Amour wrote, in the lonely mountain, there will be a time when you believe everything is over. That will be the beginning. Today ends our presidential campaign, but it is the beginning of an opportunity in Congress with a new perspective.

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GUTFELD: Jesse are you as crushed as I am?

JESSE WATTERS, CO-HOST: You called it, too. I'm a little upset because I had Gillibrand the first to drop, but you had Swalwell.

GUTFELD: Yes.

WATTERS: So, again, Greg wins and I lose. I'm getting used to it. On the Biden situation, big difference between Trump and Biden is this, Biden runs away from controversy and Trump runs towards it. And if you look at Trump over the last couple of years, even a controversial things in his own party, he's tough on tariffs, on the border, on the travel ban, even his personal so-called scandals he's really dug in hard.

Whereas Joe Biden over the course of four months, basically, has changed positions or apologized on the Hyde amendment, segregationist, Anita Hill, inappropriate touching, the Chinese threat. And this is the worst form of apology because it's insincere, it was force, he didn't want to give it, but he had to give it. And it looks like the base is leading him instead of him leaving the base. It doesn't look like he has the presidential timber.

Whereas, President Trump, highest approval rating he's gotten so far in the latest poll by ABC, Washington Post, and I think that's because the Mueller report has kind of slowed things down. You had two very successful overseas trips in Europe and in Asia. And the American public is kind of beginning to contrast the president with some of these other Democrats, and they're looking at him more favorably, plus the great economic news coming out in June.

GUTFELD: Also, America's female soccer team won the World Cup thanks to Donald Trump, Juan.

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: I don't think there's any question.

GUTFELD: Yes. Yes. He led them to victory.

WILLIAMS: Yeah. Katie and I were talking about the golden boot. I think there's a lot of Americans would like to give him the golden boot.

WATTERS: Not enough.

WILLIAMS: Oh, yeah? How about those numbers, those poll numbers, what's the disapproval, Jesse?

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WATTERS: I think it was the same numbers that Obama had --

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WILLIAMS: No, Jesse --

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DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: He heard that on The Daily Briefing.

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WATTERS: I watch that religiously.

PERINO: Yes. WILLIAMS: Well, I will say this. I think Joe Biden is still getting back into fighting shape and into campaign mode, if you will. So he's on the way back. And you hear those criticism inside the Democratic party that he slow down -- I mean, slow to announce, and he's still getting back to his A-game.

KATIE PAVLICH, CO-HOST: Slow Joe.

WILLIAMS: Slow Joe, there you go.

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PAVLICH: No, he's a sleepy Joe. . WILLIAMS: Sleepy Joe, slow Joe, who knows. But I will say that -- what you do get is Donald Trump, Katie, immediately tweeting about Joe Biden. He's not tweeting about Harris.

GUTFELD: Right.

WILLIAMS: He's not tweeting about Pocahontas. He's tweeting about the guy that he worry is going to beat him. Give him the golden boot and that's Joe Biden.

GUTFELD: So, is slow Joe has his mojo or is it a no-go?

PAVLICH: What -- I mean, how long is it going to take Joe Biden to get into the race? I mean, this is crucial timing. He's at the top of the pack and he knows because of that the chances to going down are inevitable, and he has to hold onto that front spot. He keeps leaning on the Obama legacy, and not only is Obama not endorsing him but people in the Obama camp are running away from him as fast as possible, and also openly criticizing him.

I mean, David Axelrod, again, over the weekend saying, I don't know if this guy can make it to the end based on all of his flip-flopping. And in the end, what's the point of having a moderate lane in the Democratic primary if Joe Biden is just going to continually change his position? And when he gets to a general if he becomes the nominee, which is not inevitable, by the way, what is he going to actually run on considering he's changing all of his position?

He says, I apologize for what I said a couple of weeks ago. Well, this is a position that you took over the course of 40 years of your career in the Senate, so are you apologizing for that, too? I mean, what is his platform? I'm not sure.

GUTFELD: It's a good point. He's turning the moderate lane into Lombard Street.

PERINO: Very curvy.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: Bumpy.

GUTFELD: Yes, and bumpy.

PERINO: Running out of road.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: OK. This new political climate does not seem to suit him well. So he's been running for office for 40 years. When you are running as a vice president on a ticket where President Obama is super popular, you're running on a ticket -- and he was a good vice president for him. I'm not saying that he wasn't.

GUTFELD: Yeah.

PERINO: That doesn't necessarily mean that you were then the best candidate for this political moment that we are in. Think of the progression. He said what he said. He then -- he told Cory Booker that Cory Booker should apologize. Like, I'm not going to apologize. And he was like, oh, he's got some fight in him. And then, he does an interview in which he said, I didn't expect for them to come after me. Then he says, oh, actually, I'm sorry.

So you think about this debate in the next three weeks. It is likely just the way things work out that Elizabeth Warren will be on the stage with him. So, if I'm her, I'm thinking, what else can I get him on? How can we get him on that progression? And you can go back 45 years, whatever, and find something that he's done to help support Wall Street.

GUTFELD: Right.

PERINO: Or Bernie Sanders will go after him on health care. And you can see the same type of progression happening to the point where you -- I think you were saying the base is leading him to positions that he doesn't necessarily hold.

GUTFELD: Your point about the new train -- it was like when I took my driver's test I had to use a car that was 20 years old because I couldn't ride the car that my wife had because I didn't understand any of the gadgets. It had like the rearview mirror movie thing. Yeah, I know, nothing made -- so I had in order to pass the test I have to use like a Taurus from, like, 1999.

PERINO: It will also get you to your destination.

GUTFELD: Yes, yeah.

WILLIAMS: Let me just say, Biden, you know, for all that we're talking about --

PERINO: Yeah, and people still like him, I get it.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, people do like him. And he -- I think, you know, going back to what Jesse saying about that Washington Post, ABC poll, I think he's plus-10 over Trump in that pole.

PERINO: And nobody else is above Trump in that poll, except for like maybe one or two --

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WILLIAMS: Within margin of error to your point. But I think that the key to -- you know, as we're looking at Biden today and those apology is to understand that his base of support in the moderate lane that Greg's talking about, the Democratic Party, remains very strong.

GUTFELD: I hope it does.

WATTERS: That same poll had Hillary beating Trump by 13 points, Juan. Just to let you know.

WILLIAMS: When is that -- at the end there? And 16.

WATTERS: Yeah.

WILLIAMS: Not now, I hope not.

WATTERS: Not now. She running --

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GUTFELD: I feel bad for Sean O'Rourke, our producer, did a montage of Eric Swalwell's best line. Should we exit with it?

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GUTFELD: Goodbye.

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REP. ERIC SWALWELL (D-CA): I'm a congressman, but also a father of a 2-year-old infant. When I'm not changing diapers, I'm changing Washington. Most of the time, the diapers smell better.

I think it's so appropriate that you gave us all the same T-shirt because I believe our candidates are a part of the Avengers. We're here to save America. The Republicans, that's the Hunger Games.

I will be bold without the bold.

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WATTERS: Tensions flaring between Nancy Pelosi and progressive lawmakers, such as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. She voted against last month border aid bill. The speaker dismissing the influence of the freshman Democrat and other freshman Democrats telling the New York Times, quote, all these people have their public whatever and their twitter world. But they don't have any followings. There're four people and that's how many votes they got. If the left doesn't think I'm left enough, so be it. We have to have a solution, not just a twitter fight, end quote.

AOC, she's firing back tweeting, quote, I find it strange when members act as though social media is not important. They set millions of dollars on fire to run TV ads so people can see their message. I haven't dialed for dollars once this year, and have more time to do my actual job. Yet, we'd rather campaign like it's 2008. What do you say, Dana?

PERINO: Look, I admire her fight, right? And the spice that she brings to it --

WILLIAMS: You're talking about AOC.

PERINO: Yeah. But I also admired Nancy Pelosi because she can count votes. And if you are in a deep blue district and any Democrat is going to get elected in your district then, yes, it is easier to be a firebrand and -- it's easier to do all of those things. And Speaker Pelosi has a different responsibility and a different role, like her job is to try to keep the majority and to try to figure out a way to do as many of the things the Democrats want to do with the reality that they live in.

And if they continue to go the way that they are, those 31 districts in the House that helped Nancy Pelosi become speaker again could very easily flip back to being Republican when President Trump is at the top of the ticket. Bringing Republicans back in because not as many people vote in the midterm.

The other thing is, she did this interview -- Speaker Pelosi did an interview with Maureen Dowd in the New York Times. Got a lot of attention, that's where these quotes come from where she's saying that these guys don't only have their twitter game. But it came in an interesting time because she had just lost a fight with in her caucus, but it wasn't from the left. It was from the middle. But they've said we have to vote for this funding for the border.

So, I think that she's trying to be wise, and I think that -- I understand why a push up against her, but if I had to put Pelosi's political skills up against AOC at this moment from what they need, if I were the Democrats I'll say, can't you guys just work together because together they can be quite powerful, but I don't know if it's possible.

WILLIAMS: Well, I just don't think there's any way that Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is on the same power game level as Nancy Pelosi, and the votes just clearly show that. But, Greg --

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: -- what was interesting to me is that there was a note of content in the way that Pelosi spoke about social media and twitter.

GUTFELD: Right.

WILLIAMS: And then you see this punch back from AOC saying, oh, you're living in 2009?

GUTFELD: Right.

WILLIAMS: What do you say?

GUTFELD: I enjoyed this fight. This is so much fun. The Dems are going through a similar convulsion the Republicans experienced, you know, four or three, four years ago. Trump rattled the party, and he rattled the party using the similar tools which was social media. And we all thought -- not we, we didn't all think it was crazy, but we're laughing and enjoying it, and then he beat everybody with it, you know?

And I think AOC is a chip off the old Trump. I think she is, you know, has -- she knows how to work it. And I think that they could probably learn from that. It does bother me that she didn't vote for the bill. I mean, that's kind of strange when you accuse others of hurting migrant children and then you deny their aid. That seems to suggest that maybe this is a political, cynical act of theater on her part when you -- you know, maybe let people suffer and die before cooperating with the president? Kind of sad.

WILLIAMS: All right. So, Jesse, what I'm reminded of is that John Boehner, Paul Ryan -- I think Paul Ryan just left because he couldn't handle the freedom caucus, the whole tea party thing anymore. Here's Pelosi now dealing with much the same dynamics, instead it's not the far right but it's the far left.

WATTERS: Well, I think Boehner has got to have a glass -- laughing at Nancy because -- you know, you think you have it bad?

GUTFELD: I don't think it's wine anymore.

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WATTERS: Maybe it's something else. She has four bomb throwers. He had dozens of tea party members starting in 2010. He had them for many, many years that made his life hell over spending, and the debt ceiling, and he did his best to keep the beef behind closed doors.

Nancy seems to keep having these public spats. And she's only got four little bomb throwers and it's only been four months, and she's already had fights about anti-Semitism, impeachment, progressivism, and now the border funding thing.

PERINO: Green New Deal.

WATTERS: Yeah, the Green New Deal. And she would just be much better served if she would let her whip team handle the drama and ignore them. And now, she's nicknamed them the squad, she's elevating them in the media, and I think this is wrong.

But I do agree with AOC. You shouldn't diminish the power of social media. She doesn't dial for dollars. She can leverage that platform, very powerful. And Nancy doesn't understand that, and I think she should soon.

WILLIAMS: All right. So, Katie, what's interesting to me is I think the people on the right are hoping that there's a big rift and a big fight coming, right? But I don't know that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is at the level that she really can take on Nancy Pelosi.

PAVLICH: I mean, they're not hoping for it. It's already here and we're watching it play out. And that's the reason why Nancy Pelosi is having to answer questions in every interview about this new caucus of people who everyone is saying isn't very powerful. But if she's being asked about it and having to comment on it and having every presidential candidate has to say if they believe in the Green New Deal and Medicare for all, guess who's driving that narrative, these four people.

I bet they wish they could go back to the days of being on the cover of Rolling Stone when Nancy Pelosi was on the cover with Ilhan Omar. Be a little bit more, you know, cooperation then, but this is too past, right? So, Nancy Pelosi is doing what Dana talked about. She's looking to govern. Looking for policies. Looking for results to go back to these districts and say, we're not just talking about things, we're actually passing legislation that is not getting pass in the Senate because the mean Republicans won't take it up.

AOC and Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib are interested in the cultural battle overall. They're activist. They don't have to worry about getting reelected in their district necessarily. They want to change the narrative as a whole with the whole country, and they're doing that. I mean, people are talking about them. The media oxygen is being -- taken up by them.

Last week, AOC accused the border patrol of forcing illegal immigrants to drink out of toilets and that was something that everyone has to respond to. So, they're two past here and I think they're just different at this point, whether Nancy Pelosi would be victorious, right now she is.

GUTFELD: And the media did a great job following up on that accusation.

PAVLICH: Right.

GUTFELD: We really got to the bottom of that toilet drinking.

WILLIAMS: But by the way, I just think that she got four votes, Katie. I mean --

PAVLICH: Sure.

WILLIAMS: I mean, really, clearly the strength of the caucus, the overwhelming majority went with Pelosi --

PAVLICH: In Washington.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

PAVLICH: Overall with the country --

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WILLIAMS: We're talking about actual vote in Congress.

PAVLICH: Right. But you can do both at the same time. You can deal with the overall narrative and direction of the country, and then you can deal with the impact of governing --

WILLIAMS: Well, I think in the Trump era, I think they're a lot of Democrats who want Pelosi to be more aggressive but, you know what, you still -- have to know how to count the votes.

PAVLICH: Yes.

WILLIAMS: All right, the U.S. women's big World Cup win igniting calls for equal pay for female athletes. That's next, big discussion right here on The Five.

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PAVLICH: Well, the U.S. women's soccer team arriving back in America just moments ago after its big World Cup win, the team making history claiming its fourth World Cup after beating the Netherlands 2 to nothing. The players having fun celebrating their dominating performance, but it's now starting to be overshadowed by politics. The big win immediately setting off call for equal pay from the stadium crowd.

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PEOPLE CHANTING: Equal pay, equal pay, equal pay, equal pay.

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PAVLICH: Equal pay chant -- women's team is suing the U.S. Soccer Federation for gender discrimination, focusing on the pay gap between the men and women's team. President Trump also weighing in on the issue.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: You also have to look at numbers. If you look at World Cup soccer, that's one thing, and you also have to look at soccer, professional soccer. You have to see who's taking in what. So I don't know what those numbers are. I would like to see that, but again, you have to look at the great stars of the men's soccer, the great stars of the women's soccer, and you have to see year-round how they all broaden. What is the attendance for women soccer outside of World Cup? But I would like to see.

PAVLICH: Jesse, it appears you have some thoughts.

WATTERS: No, just the chant for equal pay at a sporting event, I never thought I'd hear that ever --

PAVLICH: There you go.

WATTERS: -- no matter what the sport. But the president does have a point there. If you look at the World Cup men's revenue it's in the billions and they split up the pot. It's a much bigger pot. Women's World Cup revenue much, much smaller, and they have a smaller pot to divide up with.

But the distinction is, is that the U.S. Soccer Federation, the women do actually make more revenue and they get paid less, so that's their lawyer's fault. They negotiate a horrible deal and they need to renegotiate that immediately. The point is, though, is the women are not helping their case by their behavior. If you go out and you disparage the president, you act in unpatriotic ways, and then complain about not getting paid equally, well, what do you think is gonna happen? People are going to watch.

GUTFELD: No, but they get on talk shows.

WATTERS: Many, many people this weekend who said, I love soccer. I'm not watching the U.S. women's because I didn't like what they said. That means the ad revenue comes down. That means their overall revenue comes down and they can't divvy up the same amount of money.

PAVLICH: So, Dana --

WILLIAMS: I've never heard this before --

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WILLIAMS: The truth -- if it is the truth. I can't handle your truth because --

WATTERS: What is it?

WILLIAMS: I mean, to me, Trump always likes winners, right? And he loves winners --

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WILLIAMS: -- red, white and blue. But all of a sudden, he's heading it on about this.

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WILLIAMS: The money thing, for example, if he's the President of the United States, why isn't he talking about the fact they have the number one uniform for men or women, according to Nike, right, they make more money as you said here in the United States. They contribute more to U.S. soccer --

WATTERS: Not World Cup, to U.S. soccer.

WILLIAMS: FIFA is corrupt. I didn't know what's going on there.

WATTERS: That's where the revenue comes from.

WILLIAMS: But, no. I'm talking about the revenue for United States Soccer Federation --

WATTERS: I agree.

WILLIAMS: So we agree on that.

WATTERS: We agree.

WILLIAMS: They should be paid equally.

PAVLICH: Well, according to Forbes, Dana, there is a discrepancy in terms of the amount of revenues. So the total revenue for women, $73 million, the players receive 13 percent, whereas with the men, it's $4 to $6 billion and they only received 9 percent. So when you're dealing with someone --

PERINO: You didn't tell me they'll be math.

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PAVLICH: The paychecks --

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PAVLICH: Before this they're asking for equality, but there's a difference between --

PERINO: Here's the thing. We can be excited -- the United States won, we're winners, that's great. But they can complain about their behavior -- but you know what, they're being whoever they want to be, whatever. Colin Kaepernick could be who he wants to be. And he gets like all this press from last week, whatever.

Here's the thing. In the United States, should they be paid the same as the men on a salary basis? I would say yes, OK? And I think that their lawyers are actually going to the remediation right now and that's something that they can deal with, because they've showed it in their performance and they show it in the fact that they get the revenue that the people are coming to watch it. But when it comes to the World Cup, literally half the world watches the men's World Cup. It's like 3.5 billion people.

WATTERS: Right.

PAVLICH: Right.

PERINO: That is not the same for the Women's World Cup yet. Maybe they'll get there one day at some point, so I do think there is a distinction there.

PAVLICH: Right. Greg.

GUTFELD: I should be paid to watch soccer. All right. And I'm not distinguishing, don't call me sexist. I don't like male soccer. I don't like female soccer. I don't like animal soccer. I don't like any soccer. You should pay me to watch it. Is it sexism that they're being paid - they're not being paid? I don't think so. I think that generally the male sports are bringing in a higher proportion of money.

Having said that though, they would be nuts not to exploit this, because this is the highest point of their negotiating power. They just won the World Cup. They should be - you'd be nuts not to be demanding more money. And if you want to use sexism as part of your tools, go for it because when you're negotiating, you will use anything. But that's - they should be chanting at their agents.

WATTERS: Right.

GUTFELD: And their lawyers, don't chant at me. I don't care how much money you make. I don't even care who wins. I don't care about your politics.

WATTERS: Wait. You want the Americans to win that.

GUTFELD: No, I'm not into this tribal sports stuff. I thought we're behind that. You know if we're playing some aliens from outer space, I'll be for Earth.

PAVLICH: You are a globalist now.

GUTFELD: I am a globalist.

WILLIAMS: But I just think that they you know before they played this game.

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: They wanted equal pay and they put pressure on themselves and then they perform. So, I admire that.

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: Right. And the second thing to say on the politics of it is given President Trump's trouble with women, American women, even Republican women these days, you would think that he'd stand up and be very clear that he thinks--

GUTFELD: He congratulated them.

WILLIAMS: Yes, and say great things about them.

PERINO: He did.

GUTFELD: He did.

WILLIAMS: He's handing an arm--

PAVLICH: Invited to the White House.

WILLIAMS: Having them at the White House.

PAVLICH: They don't want to go.

WATTERS: Juan, they say, they're not going to go.

WILLIAMS: No. They don't want to go but guess what--

PERINO: He said, congratulations, good job.

WILLIAMS: He was backing off inviting them.

WATTERS: Well, because he doesn't want to look bad. It's like inviting someone to a party and then after they say, they don't want to come.

WILLIAMS: You are exactly right.

WATTERS: But he should invite them anyway and make them look nice.

GUTFELD: The nice thing is Bill Clinton offered Epstein's jet. You want to play games.

PAVLICH: All right. Well, up next, the video of the teen licking ice cream and putting it back starting a sick new social media trend. We'll show you that next.

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WATTERS: It's hard to forget the disgusting video we showed you last week of a Texas teen who landed in hot water after licking ice cream before returning it to the grocery stores freezer. That's sick social media son is apparently inspiring some copycats. A Louisiana man was busted over the weekend for posting a video doing the same thing, licking ice cream and poking it with his finger before putting it back. And social media flipped out over a Wal-Mart shopper opening a bottle of Listerine gargling then spitting the used mouthwash back into the bottle before putting it back on the shelf. Wal-Mart's investigating the incident, but it appears it may have been staged. Greg, what do you think psychologically is going on with these people?

GUTFELD: Well you know, an old Simpsons' episode, I think it was Homer Simpson, I can't remember who said, alcohol is both the solution and the cause of all your problems. Social media is now the cause and solution. So, social media incites people to do these attention seeking things because it goes viral. But then social media comes and crushes you like a bug for doing it. So, I had an idea, why don't you viralize the opposite. So, what is the opposite of contaminating a product. People should be filming themselves taping like a $20 bill under a product in a supermarket and saying where it is.

WATTERS: You go first, tell me where you're going.

GUTFELD: I'm going to be doing the Wah Wah in North Bergen, New Jersey at 2 AM.

WATTERS: OK.

GUTFELD: But then everybody posted and then people go out, they find $20 under a can whatever.

PERINO: And maybe they buy some ice cream along the way.

GUTFELD: Exactly. There you go. So that's reverse contamination. PERINO: Right. That's what I was thinking like bring back the ice bucket challenge.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: Remember those things that first happened, and it was like oh, it was for good. GUTFELD: It killed 10 people, Dana. Massive heart attack. It did. WATTERS: Do you think that the media shouldn't play any of these silly stunts, are we advocating it?

PERINO: No, I am not for restricting people from doing things or saying things like they can do that if you want to. I am for law enforcement of the stores pressing charges and having a huge fine. Something that is punitive, maybe a night in jail. They'll never do it again.

PAVLICH: Yes.

WATTERS: Yes.

PERINO: The night in jail live streamed.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: So that everyone sees how miserable you are in jail. PAVLICH: They want a reality show from jail. That's the problem. It will snowball into them wanting some kind of show following around doing this. But Greg, they are vile rising. These ice creams by licking them and sticking gross. And at least with the Listerine, it's a sanitary product, so that's probably a better bet than the ice cream, it turns out--

PERINO: Now they're going to have to put that plastic around, although ice cream can be hard to take off.

PAVLICH: They really should be arrested.

WATTERS: Do you have trouble removing that plastic?

PERINO: Sometimes, you've got to get the scissors out.

WATTERS: It's very firm the way it is placed on there. Juan, is it just strictly about attention? Is that what this is all about, they're just desperate for attention and they don't care how they get it?

WILLIAMS: I guess so. So, I'm very curious. I mean I - everything has been said here is on target to me, except this. The last thing with the Listerine was a stunt because my impression was the other ones were not stunts that they were leaving it there for some unsuspecting person to purchase the item and then they would get a kick out of having made a fool out of me and my family. But in this one, I just think it's just for social media. She does it. And apparently, you're saying Jesse, she then took it away?

PAVLICH: She should pay for it.

WATTERS: Well, yes, some people actually said when they got busted. Oh! I have a receipt, I actually bought this.

WILLIAMS: Oh! OK.

WATTERS: Which makes me think they're just doing it for the social media aspect.

PERINO: But here's the other thing, Listerine, it's a product they have. They don't need this sort of a headache. What did they do to her? Right now, you've got to have a crisis communication.

WILLIAMS: But was its Listerine, because I am a consumer of this product.

GUTFELD: And we appreciate that Juan.

WILLIAMS: Thank you, brother. But anyway, there is a wrapper on it. You would have to take.

PERINO: That's why they're saying it's a stunt. But regardless she should be busted for that because that is their brand. They do not - they are going to have a harm to them as a brand because of this, even if it is a stunt.

GUTFELD: I think they should execute all of them with an angry letter.

WILLIAMS: Well, I just think there is a reason for a health code. There is a reason that you have protections for us all, because let's just be crazy about this. There could be disease.

GUTFELD: And also, I mean all that tamper proof stuff came because people were killing people. Remember the Tylenol cases.

WATTERS: Greg, you strike me as the kind of guy when they go shopping and they bring the item back to the house.

GUTFELD: Yes.

WATTERS: Or to the luxurious apartment. If you notice that the item has been tampered with in anyway. If you suspected it's been opened, you will throw it out.

GUTFELD: Pretty much.

PAVLICH: Absolutely.

GUTFELD: Yes.

WATTERS: I'd just go for it. I say, it's fine.

GUTFELD: No, not in New York City.

PAVLICH: Very risky, Jesse.

WATTERS: Yes, I live on the edge.

PERINO: Living on the edge.

WILLIAMS: Jesse is the embodiment of the five second rule.

GUTFELD: Yes. It's more like a five-minute rule.

WATTERS: That's right. I live by it. That's right. Up next, technology is causing extra work stress and ruining our weekends.

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PERINO: We'd hope you had a nice Fourth of July weekend, but for many of us it may have been cut short. A Wall Street Journal article highlighting how Sunday night is the new Monday morning and workers are miserable. Thanks to smartphones. More employees are spending the final hours of their weekend planning for the week ahead. There is even a new term for it. The Sunday Scary. I mean, come on, please. Some offices are trying to crack down on burnout triggered by the pre-Monday morning. I have no sympathy for this baloney. I don't. But I'm going to--

GUTFELD: Do you know why?

PERINO: I'm going to do this very fair and balanced. Why?

GUTFELD: I'll tell you why you don't have sympathy because you live your work all the time. So, we do a show called "The Five." People go, that's so easy. One hour of work. No, we sit there and think about it 23 hours a day. It drives us crazy; you wake up in the middle of the night, what's Juan going to say to me. What am I going to say to Juan? Am I going to get in trouble? So, it's like you actually live in your head all the stuff you're doing. Did you ever have SMAD growing up, that's "60 Minutes" affective disorder. Do you remember when you--

PERINO: I had the opposite.

GUTFELD: When I would hear the tick, tick, tick of "60 Minutes" I got so depressed because it told me that Monday was a school day. I hear "60 Minutes" theme.

PERINO: So, I had the opposite thing. I was so afraid to miss "60 Minutes" that I didn't want to go outside and play. So, my dad, we had the avocado green stove.

GUTFELD: Yes.

PERINO: He would set the timer and so, I would have five minutes to end my play to get inside, so I could watch 60 minutes on time. That was--

PAVLICH: My parents took me to Disneyland once and all I could think about was my homework and I was crying at Disneyland--

PERINO: You had to homework.

PAVLICH: My homework wouldn't get finished.

PERINO: So, do you get the Sunday scary? Do you worry on Sunday night?

PAVLICH: No, I mean I don't - I mean I get stressed out about missing work.

PERINO: Yes, me too.

PAVLICH: So, I guess detaching is stressful.

PERINO: I do know people get this and I have a friend whose husband he just gets miserable on a Sunday. He is unhappy. They say that there is some advice that you say they should exercise.

GUTFELD: That's always the same advice.

PERINO: Drink more water.

GUTFELD: Yes, water, exercise. Get some rest.

WATTERS: I think these people are pathetic. Think of the most successful person that you know.

GUTFELD: Me.

WATTERS: And think to yourself, did they get that way by being stressed out over a Sunday inbox alert. No, they got successful by being workaholics. You know you want to aspire to be the person on the beach sending the email to your underlings, making them stressed out on a Sunday and you only get there by responding to the inbox emails and thinking it's normal, because you want to get a step ahead on a Sunday night. You want to hit the ground running.

PERINO: Absolutely.

WATTERS: On a Monday, you win.

GUTFELD: I get a step on my Sunday night, on Saturday night by getting my work prepared Saturday for free Sunday to Monday.

WILLIAMS: That's brilliant. Just don't stop, right. Just keep going.

PERINO: How do you think about Sunday night?

WILLIAMS: In fact, I saw on these numbers, it said 62 percent of American workers say, they have to be available around the clock.

PAVLICH: OK.

WILLIAMS: They never stop. So, on Friday, I came in to do The Five, where were my friends. I was lonely, but I did get John Rich.

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: Anna Kooiman was here.

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: John Rich, right.

GUTFELD: Anna Kooiman.

WILLIAMS: Lawrence Jones.

GUTFELD: Lawrence Jones. Tammy.

WILLIAMS: Tammy.

PERINO: What's your point. That's not about Sunday nights.

WILLIAMS: It was because--

PAVLICH: He was working but none of us are.

WILLIAMS: Thank you. I should hire you--

PERINO: Did you work Saturday and Sunday, I did.

GUTFELD: It was evil twin five.

WILLIAMS: You work Sunday.

PERINO: Look, here's the thing. We should be glad. If you have a job, be grateful. If Sunday nights drive you crazy, plan something fun for Sunday night.

WILLIAMS: But then the boss will get mad at you, Dana.

PERINO: No. bosses are not getting mad on Sunday nights. People are anticipating people getting mad about Sunday.

WILLIAMS: But if you don't respond to their email and they sent you an email on a Sunday night.

PAVLICH: Look, the good news if you work really hard all the time, then you have a reason to say, I'm going to away for a week or I'm going to detach. So, because you've put in your dues and your time then you can take a little break.

WILLIAMS: By the way, Jesse.

PERINO: Did you have a good weekend, Jesse?

WATTERS: Yes, I had a really nice weekend. Watch the Women's World Cup. They did very well, and I was at the beach for a little while. I did a beach body workout every single day, four days in a row.

WILLIAMS: A beach body workout.

WATTERS: It's a--

PAVLICH: You have a beach body now.

WATTERS: Almost, we're getting there.

GUTFELD: In the trunk of his car.

WATTERS: Yes, it's resistance training on the beach.

PAVLICH: Did you wear deodorant before you went to the beach.

WATTERS: No, I did not. I just jumped on the ocean.

PAVLICH: Do you steal stuff from the store.

WATTERS: No. But I did--

GUTFELD: Did you open up an Andy Pressman (ph) at the local Walgreens.

WATTERS: I have a confession to make. In the commercial break on the last segment, I kind of admitted that maybe once if I needed some suntan lotion, I squirted--

PAVLICH: Or deodorant.

WATTERS: Perhaps, maybe in high school, I went with a little woo-hoo and then left the 7-Eleven.

GUTFELD: Lip balm.

PERINO: This is why everything is behind these--

WATTERS: Lip balm, I don't use lip balm.

PAVLICH: Anyway.

GUTFELD: No wonder.

PERINO: I've never done that.

WATTERS: You've never done that?

PERINO: No. But if you need lotion and you just go - you go to the tester.

WATTERS: A sample.

PERINO: Yes.

WATTERS: OK. Thank you. I'm going to do that next time.

PERINO: What about your weekend? Is it a good weekend?

GUTFELD: Yes, had a good weekend.

PERINO: Did you drive?

GUTFELD: I killed a lot of insects.

PERINO: You didn't drive anywhere?

GUTFELD: I did a little bit of driving. I bought a game called Corn Hole. You ever heard of that?

PAVLICH: Welcome to Middle America.

GUTFELD: Bean bags into a hole, it's terrible name though. It's how people like I can feel like I'm dunking a basketball, throwing a beanbag into a hole. It's the closest I'll get to a slam dunk.

PAVLICH: It's so fun.

WILLIAMS: So, I went out to dinner Saturday night. My son's in-laws were in town. We took them to dinner, and man, it was such a deluge. By the time I got in the restaurant, it was soaked.

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: And then this morning in D.C. Katie.

PAVLICH: We almost drowned. But I made it.

WILLIAMS: It's been long awaiting.

PERINO: We are glad you're here. We're glad everyone is back. It's going to be a great week because Mondays are wonderful. One More Thing is up next.

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GUTFELD: One More Thing, Jesse.

WATTERS: So, our friend Ed Henry announced the other day that he's going to be donating 30 percent of his liver to his younger sister Colleen. Colleen has been bravely batter battling a degenerative liver disease and was way down on the waiting list and Ed decided to act. So, actually I think only four to six weeks after the livers have been replaced, they regenerate to full size and Ed actually had to lose 10 to 15 pounds before doing this. And he can't drink for six months afterwards and it's just an amazingly selfless thing he's going to be doing and we wish Ed and Colleen the best of luck. Also, good luck to me because I'll be on Hannity tonight.

PERINO: Good luck with that.

GUTFELD: Even more selfless Ed is if he has any extra painkillers. Don't flush them down the toilet.

WATTERS: Way to go, Greg.

GUTFELD: Thank you. All right. Who's next, Dana.

PERINO: Me. OK, great. Thank you so much. You know what this weekend really was great because of Jasper and I have been missing a lot, Jasper, so I have some pictures here and especially Greg is going to love, Jasper in the sidecar, he loves that. We went to The Coal House Bistro a couple of time, that's in Point Pleasant Beach, fantastic food. We're at the beach. We had lots of fun. Also, I wore my big sunglasses and he took a nap and then Peter took him in the Harley to get some ice cream while I did Fox News Sunday. And you know you're going to love this. Look at that.

But the best part is that this is how he started his Monday. Watch this. Watch this, he is going to be the first-round draft pick. That was a Frisbee catch. We should have highlighted that maybe. Anyway, he kind of Frisbee.

GUTFELD: He should have highlighted that. At least, you're not obsessed.

PERINO: OK. Anyway, this this is how sad he was to come back to the city. Watch this. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on let's go. Jasper. Let's go now. (END VIDEO CLIP)

PERINO: He get in big trouble. He didn't want to come back to the city, but I didn't blame him.

GUTFELD: That was nice.

PERINO: Did you enjoy that?

GUTFELD: I did. I enjoyed it. What if my sister would give me part of her liver even though I'm healthy, I just want an extra part of liver?

PERINO: Just in case.

GUTFELD: Yes.

WATTERS: You need all the liver you can get.

GUTFELD: Exactly. All right let's do this. This is great. Animals Are Great. This is so amazing. They don't make me so happy.

PERINO: It's going to make me have bad dream.

GUTFELD: Yes. Even a reptile needs a little cashmere like this corn snake named Spaghetti who has his very own knitted sweater. You don't see sweaters much on snakes, but this snake is living in it. Look at that. I mean it's like this is such an amazing idea. I want a snake sweater and I'm not even a snake. Anyway, he got it for Christmas. One Christmas sweater, I love. It was a reptile. Nobody's talking, Juan.

WILLIAMS: That was really strange. All right.

PAVLICH: I'm going to get my snake sweater.

GUTFELD: Yes.

WILLIAMS: I don't know about that. All right, so, it was a quiet Saturday afternoon in Boston when this happened. Powerful lightning bolt struck a boat in the Columbia Yacht Club in South Boston. No one on board, but it was an electrifying moment as you saw caught on cell phone video by Henry Minucci. He saw lightning in the distance trying to record it when the lightning came a little bit too close. National Weather Service saw the video and tweeted a reminder, "when thunder roars, go indoors." Not bad advice. You should know America. Lightning can strike even when there are clear skies and thunder clouds as far as 25 miles away.

PAVLICH: Be careful.

GUTFELD: My wife always says, Greg, when thunder roars, could you go outdoors. Katie.

PAVLICH: Very nice, it rhymed. All right. So, we like people who play guitars, take a look at what this guy did. That is Andrew Suggs of Atlanta and he was on a camping trip in Northern Arizona where I am from, when he was inspired to perform the Star-Spangled Banner while overlooking the Grand Canyon. Of course, he says he's a Braves fan. Atlanta Braves. He has his jersey on. So pretty cool rendition of The Star-Spangled Banner in one of my favorite places on Earth.

PERINO: Beautiful.

PAVLICH: So very cool.

WILLIAMS: You ever heard Jimmy Hendrix do that. It's pretty good.

PAVLICH: It's pretty good.

WILLIAMS: He's pretty good.

GUTFELD: He's all right.

WILLIAMS: He's all right.

GUTFELD: Never miss your DVR - set your DVRs. Never miss an episode of "The Five." "Special Report" is up next.

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