Jay Carney mocks Fox News when asked about Benghazi

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," May 1, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hi, everyone. I'm Dana Perino, along with Andrea Tantaros, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling -- he's helping out Bob Beckel -- and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is "The Five."


PERINO: Could the Obama administration saved the lives of the four Americans killed in Benghazi? Today, a testimony on Capitol Hill, a general on duty at U.S. Africa Command says that our military should have at least tried. But it was never even ordered.


BRIG. GEN. ROBERT LOVELL, USAF (RET.): Four individuals died. Sir, we obviously did not respond in time to get there.


LOVELL: We may have been able to, but we'll never know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was it a video?

LOVELL: No, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was it a video that sparked a protest?

LOVELL: No, sir.


PERINO: Democrats like Nancy Pelosi don't even seem to want answers.


REP. NANCY PELOSI (D), CALIFORNIA: Diversion subterfuge. Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi. Why aren't we talking about something else?


PERINO: And neither does the White House. Here's Jay Carney taking some more swipes at FOX News.


JAY CARNEY, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: I mean, all you have to do is read it, Ed, right? The so-called talking points which despite great efforts by your news organization and others have been proven not to be a conspiracy but what inspired the demonstrations at the embassy in Cairo. Do you even remember?

ED HENRY, FOX NEWS CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: There was -- Cairo I don't remember specifically. There was --

CARNEY: Does anybody remember?


HENRY: No. We're investigating it.

CARNEY: Do you need a copy of the CIA talking points.

HENRY: Read them out all you want. Go ahead.

CARNEY: The only thing in that e-mail that refers to Benghazi is a cut and paste from the talking points which much to your disappointment and your bosses' disappointment turned out to be produced by the CIA.


PERINO: Chief White House correspondent Ed Henry is here now.

Ed, I don't think there's been much tension like that in the briefing room for a while. There's lots of news on Benghazi today. It wasn't just about the e-mail that was revealed on Monday night that we've been talking about this week but also this testimony.

Your thoughts and then we'll take it on the table here.

HENRY: Well, sure. I mean, on the testimony front, I mean, there weren't a ton of new revelations. We've heard similar before. But I think what the brigadier general was saying about how my recollection, as he said, 3:15 in the morning I think after the September 11, 2012, attack that killed four Americans, he and others in that command knew immediately this was a terror attack.

And part of the issue is that then when you cross-reference that with the Ben Rhodes e-mail that has become a topic of conversation over the last couple of days, not only did the White House not reveal this until the last few days, even though congressional Republicans have been seeking all these documents for many months now. But also remember that Ben Rhodes in those talking points for Susan Rice to go on the five Sunday talk shows didn't talk about a terror attack, even though the brigadier general said within hours they knew it was a terror attack. Instead, he focused on the video.

Now, what does it prove? We still don't know where all facts are going but I think it's harder and harder for Jay Carney to suggest that I'm pushing conspiracy theory or FOX is when you've got Jon Karl of ABC and Major Garrett of CBS and Jim Acosta of CNN and others pushing similar questions. This is not just FOX.

PERINO: The evidence seems frankly irrefutable. But one question I wanted to ask you before we take it around the table is this suggestion earlier in the week that the e-mail from Ben Rhodes which was basically the guide for Susan Rice for the Sunday talk shows, that it had really not to do with Benghazi. Are we really to believe that when the e-mail actually says Benghazi as one of the subheads, and also just from a media standpoint, why in the world would a cabinet official go on five Sunday shows if it wasn't to talk about what specifically happened in Benghazi?

HENRY: Well, I think in fairness there, yes, Susan Rice was going on five shows to talk about Benghazi plus -- plus the violence throughout the Muslim world. And FOX and others were reporting it at that time, as Jay Carney was trying to point out, about Cairo and other embassies, et cetera, that were in jeopardy.

So, I do think we've got to be careful not to suggest that the Ben Rhodes e-mail is only or was only about Benghazi. He was talking about Benghazi briefly in there and Jay Carney said it was a cut and paste from CIA talking points. We can talk about that.

But that we should point out that most of the e-mail was about the other violence in the Muslim world. But to your question, you know, certainly it's hard for Jay Carney, I think, to say this e-mail from Ben Rhodes was not about Benghazi when, (a), as you point out Benghazi was at least mentioned. It wasn't the focus but was mentioned.

And, (b), why was it turned over in the last few days? Because Judicial Watch, which is conservative we need to note, was suing for documents about Benghazi. And the State Department, the Obama State Department, turned over this e-mail among others, saying it was responsive to a request for Benghazi documents. So, if this e-mail is not about Benghazi, why in the world did the State Department turn it over in a lawsuit involving Benghazi? It doesn't make sense.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Great question.

Hey, Ed, quick comment and then a question. The comment is -- every college student in the country should watch every single press briefing. They should put it up in their political science classes or whatever, their civic -- whatever class. They need to see that because they need to see how the process works because they can judge for themselves whether they're -- a Jay Carney or other spokespeople for the White House are telling the truth or not.

Here's the question: Jay Carney seemed annoyed with you. He seemed impatient, he seemed arrogant. Does he -- help us out here. I think the American people watch him and go, does he understand he works for us? They all work for us?

Why does he treat us this way, especially when we believe half of the stuff coming out of his had mouth may be a lie?

HENRY: Well, if you frame it that way, I think Jay Carney would probably respond, if you think most of what he's saying is a lie, then you're not giving him a fair shake.

I try to sit in the chair every day or most every day if I'm here and push him as fairly as I can. I'm not perfect. Some of the questions are going to end up being out of bounds, going to be a little unfair. But I try to be tough but fair.

I try the same with Dana Perino, by the way, and I don't think she always thought that I was fair. She thought I was tough but there were some days she wasn't happy with me as well.

We're not perfect. We're imperfect. But at the end the day, yes, he works for the American people. The taxpayers pay Jay Carney's salary.

So when we ask these questions we do deserve answers. Not just us, we're trying to represent the American people here. They deserve answers.

Now, on some of these issues, if as Jay Carney says, we've turned over thousands of documents, we've already answered this, there's no need for us to belabor it. But in the case of the Ben Rhodes e-mail, this is something not turned over for many months. So I think it's perfectly legitimate to press and find out why it wasn't turned over sooner.

PERINO: Not only was it not turned over, Ed, but it was actually redacted. So, there was a conscientious effort actually to block the information that they finally had to release months later. Which is why they're having to talk about it now because they weren't forthcoming in the first place.

Greg, you've got a question for Ed?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: I'm concerned if Carney spins my faster, he might strike oil. That would upset Obama who hates fossil fuels.

The other -- the good news here is that CNN is finally covering Benghazi because they think that's where the airplane went. It used to be in the media --


GUTFELD: Ed, it used to be in the media that if you brought up Benghazi, there would be so much eye-rolling in that room that the building would tilt. It seems to me, as you said, that Benghazi was always a FOX story. It's not that way anymore.

Do you see that as a general shift, or is this some kind of thing they're going to do for about 24 hours and then they'll move on to the more important matters that they've yet to figure out? Which maybe --

HENRY: I think it's the latter. I'd be surprised if Benghazi is talked about in the briefing room for much longer. And I want to make an important broader point, which is that I don't think Benghazi should come up and I know there will be some people in the audience that disagree with me, the fact is it shouldn't come up every single day if there's not new information. This week, there's new information the White House should be pressed not just by FOX but by others and are, as you noted.

But I suspect that people are going to move on. Now, again, you shouldn't be banging the drums every day if there's not new information, if it's the same old thing. The fact is this week there's new information that does raise new questions between the e-mail and the testimony that we were talking about on the Hill. But I suspect that this is not going to be something that the media pays a lot of attention to for much longer. That's just the fact.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Ed, but shouldn't the media keep pressing on and on because yesterday during the exchange between ABC's Jonathan Karl and Jay Carney, Jay Carney said specifically when asked who gave the line about the video he said, oh, the CIA's Jim Morell gave that in his testimony. But that's not --

HENRY: Mike Morell, yes.

TANTAROS: Mike Morell. That's not true. He didn't anywhere in his testimony say the line originated from the CIA.

So, in fact, Jay Carney was standing up lying right to Jonathan Karl's face.

And to your point about new information, isn't it true that a new round of documents that could take months to come out but is slated through Judicial Watch to also be released? So, there is more to come.

HENRY: We expect more to come. But, you know, I want to be clear -- I'm not saying that Benghazi should go away forever and ever as an issue if there's no new e-mails in the next week or two just like the health care law, it's something that we and others will be talking about for a long time because the law is going to be implemented over the next several years.

Now, today, I think Jay Carney might have gotten three or four questions about health care. That doesn't mean it's no longer important issue. It doesn't mean that the White House press corps has moved on or should move on.

But, obviously, you also understand as important as Benghazi is, there's a heck of a lot of other issues like health care, like the economy and jobs.

MADDOW: But he lied about Morell's testimony, he lied as recently as yesterday about Morell's testimony.

HENRY: And we've got to fact-check and no doubt about it. I'm not sloughing that off. But I'm just saying, it's one of many important issues obviously. I mean, I watch "The Five" every day. You don't talk about Benghazi every single day.

And when you do it might be one segment.


HENRY: Well, almost, yes. Yes, maybe.

But if you do, I suspect there's going to be a segment after me that's not going to be about Benghazi, so there's a mix of issues. So, it's an important issue but it's not the only issue.


BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: We have Benghazi jackets we wear.

GUTFELD: Which is good. We have shirts.

PERINO: I did make shirts.

BECKEL: It seems to me a couple of fundamental things came out here, and that is that when Carney said the CIA -- they used some of the CIA talking points, CIA said they did not. So, clearly, you've got to take one or the other. I'm going to rely on what the CIA said about it. So that talking point did not get in there from the CIA more than likely.

Second, the information you've got now is the intelligence commander or the commander of Africom who said that they may have been able to get there, probably could not, but they may have, they should have tried. That's an interesting piece of information. But the one thing that strikes me is both President Obama and Hillary Clinton met the families of the four at the Air Force base and still at that point, which was after Susan Rice if I'm not mistaken brought up the issue about the video.

So, this gets back to Greg Gutfeld's age-old question, there is yet to be a single bit of information that where the video came from and who put it into the process. We've got any calls to that?

HENRY: We haven't gotten more on that. I mean, I think one of the questions I asked today was, why if I went back and checked the record on 9/12, the day after the terror attack, Jay Carney himself was asked about, you know -- I want to be clear, the specific question I'm losing. Who was behind this or who inspired this? And he said something to the effect of, look, it's being investigated. We're working with the Libyan government. I'm not quoting him precisely, but he said, you know, we don't fully know. That's on 9/12.

One of my questions today was, well, then why on 9/14, two days later, was Ben Rhodes saying email, we know it's this video, you know, we think it's the video and this is what you say on the talk shows? That was just two days later. And then, of course, a couple of days later, Matt Olsen, the head of the National Counterterrorist Center, went on Capitol hill and testified under oath actually, it was a terror attack, which is really the first time it was really said by a senior official other than the initial President Obama saying in the Rose Garden acts of terror broadly.

But then, all of a sudden, it shifted from that to terror attack. Why we still don't fully know?

Now, on the important question of should the military have gone in, could they have gone in, I also want to make the point that Jay Carney made very strongly in the briefing today, that Admiral Mike Mullen who was appointed by President Bush and Dana and others know well, did that accountability review board report in which he said that the military could not have done more. I know that's still in dispute, but Admiral Mullen is someone that I think a lot of people have a lot of admiration and respect for, appointed and nominated by a Republican president who said they couldn't have done more.

So, brigadier general today said something different. There's this testimony is still conflicting, but we have to point out that fact as well.

BECKEL: Well, we have to point out one thing on "The Five," the day it happened, there was one person who called it a terrorist attack.

PERINO: That was Bob Beckel. That's true.

BECKEL: But I'm not a senior official. So --

GUTFELD: You are in our hearts.

HENRY: Thank God.

BOLLING: Can I throw this out here very quickly? Has anyone asked where the heck is General Ham and why isn't he testifying?

HENRY: That's come up many times on Capitol Hill had. We haven't seen that full testimony. I suspect that now because of the e-mail, because of the brigadier general's testimony today, you're going to maybe hear more calls for that.

You're also going to hear more calls for a special committee on Benghazi. That's something John McCain and Lindsey Graham and Kelly Ayotte have pushed, have not gotten very far with. We'll see whether they have new ammunition for that.

The other point I'd make to look ahead to these midterm elections, a lot of people when they talk about, will Republicans take over the Senate, maybe they'll block some of President Obama's more of his agenda than they're already blocking, maybe Mitch McConnell and Republican leaders, if he's reelected, can push their agenda. Here's another point -- if Harry Reid is not the majority leader and Mitch McConnell or a Republican leader is, they can all of a sudden have hearings on Benghazi in the Senate.

Now, maybe they won't do it. Maybe they will. But the point is, this is largely the White House has effective live se said this is a very narrow House Republican thing by Darrell Issa and others that have been a frequent punching bag for them. If all of a sudden, Republicans have control of the Senate after November, that may change the ball game as well.

PERINO: All right. Ed, I just want to say I do think that even if there is not specific new information that comes out, who pushed the video I think we all kind of know it had to come from somewhere higher up and it was political, and if this gets to the question of judgment and character of possible future leaders. That's why I think it matters.

GUTFELD: All Ben Rhodes lead to Hillary.

PERINO: I'm going to take a moment where I can say, you don't even get to answer that question, Ed, because I have to tease. But thank you for being with us.

HENRY: Sounded like a statement.

PERINO: All right. Coming up, should the United States pull back from the world stage? A new poll shows a lot of Americans want to. Greg will explain why we shouldn't. And I will argue with him, next.


GUTFELD: A new poll finds that nearly half of the U.S. wants our country to be less active on the global stage. I don't blame them. The worst part of the world is the rest of the world. Being American is like being in a great castle in a crappy town where people down the street are always fighting shirtless on the lawn. The world is Epcot Center with machetes.

We tell them about freedom and they laugh as if we're the freaks. Even the West hates the West. The U.K. arrested a man for quoting Churchill. How do you expect to win against forces of evil when you think those forces have a point?

This is what we get for electing a man who felt our global presence was a negative before he took over, of course -- which is why the next election is huge. We must view the last six years as a bump on the forehead that gave us exceptional amnesia in which we forgot our own greatness. We must stop the bleeding, reverse the retreat and reassert our military might, economic prowess and moral integrity.

The pity party is over, because really retreating from the world is impossible. Where are we going to go, Narnia?

Besides saying it's not our fight over and over and over again ultimately empowers evil. Once the only person who's willing to shout "stop" decides to shut up forever, the silence will only be temporary, as those who spread misery now have the stage.

Ultimately, it will always be up to us to yank them off.

What are you laughing at? What are you laughing at?

PERINO: Nothing.

GUTFELD: All right.

PERINO: Nothing, nothing.

GUTFELD: Bob, what do you make of the poll? What does it say to you?

BECKEL: Well, it says, I think it reflects fairly well where the American people are. The idea that -- I noticed in our talking points here that says Obama gutted the military. That's not the case. Beginning to take apart the military happened under Colin Powell after the wall came down and the Cold War essentially ended and there was called the peace dividend back then. It was going that way, and then George Bush increased it because of what happened now and the two wars.

But the thing we have to keep in mind here is that we still have 70 percent of the fighter aircraft in the world. We have 600 bases around the world. We have 300 ships operable. We have submarines that carry multiple warheads.

We are so much far superior to anybody else militarily.

The real question is, how long are we going to do this and how much money are we going to spend to do it?

The idea that somehow we're gutting the military is just absolutely ridiculous. It's the strongest military in the world and it will be for a very long time.

GUTFELD: Eric, is pulling back the same as pulling out when you've got a lot of this Islamic terrorism going on, getting girls kidnapped and sold as sex slaves, attacks in Chinese train station? We have to be here, don't we?

BOLLING: Yes, and we've had this discussion before, in what shape and form. And I believe that the next -- the next wave of warfare is going to be through cyber and we can beef that up. We don't need more boots on the ground. We don't need more airplanes or ships.

We need more people who can thwart a cyber attack at us and more people who can listen in, which I'm all for listening into the enemies and listen to what they're up to and thwart any sort of terror attacks.

World affairs, though, I mean, this poll is about whether we should pull out -- pull back on world affairs. I assume that means foreign policy and I would say yes.

But let's talk a little business here. I think we need to increase our footprint globally with business, and the only way, again, to do that is to go ahead and allow businesses, American corporations to do business overseas, any country you want, bring them back, bring those corporate profits back, get taxed there, bring it back, zero taxation.

And again we said it yesterday, but I'll say it again -- this is the way for American power to assert itself, not through military but through our business strength.

GUTFELD: You were --

PERINO: Well, I was circling this because that's what I was going to say, which is I don't --

GUTFELD: You always say, that's what I was going to say.

PERINO: I know. That's why I was laughing, too, because I thought, you're not going to believe me. It really was written down right here, it says financial. It says I don't necessarily believe that this poll was -- I think people when they think about world affairs, they think about aid, foreign aid, and they also think about military because they don't want to go anywhere -- go into another country and invade, all that stuff (ph).


PERINO: But on the financial side of things, that's where we can actually have a huge impact. It helps our national security if other countries are doing well. We have -- I'm for more trade. I want all of those customers around the world to want to buy American products. So that's why I was circling that because Eric and I were agreeing.

GUTFELD: Well, here's my issue, Andrea. We always want to break up with the world but we're like Al Pacino in "The Godfather." We always have to be pulled back in because whenever something bad happens we're the people that have to clean up the mess, right?

TANTAROS: But should we clean up every single mess?


TANTAROS: I think two fundamental questions should be asked of every foreign conflict that may involve military action. Is there a direct threat against the United States of America and what are our interests there? And I think that's what the United States, that's what the people in this poll want to know. What's the interest?

So, my -- if I had a doctrine, it would be, if there's a direct threat against the United States of America, we go in --

BECKEL: Or its allies.

TANTAROS: -- and we level you. And then we leave. We will turn you into a parking lot, period.

I'm not into the nation-building. I don't think that it's worked. I don't think it's helped, especially in the Middle East. They have deep-rooted ethnic hatred against the United States of America, very difficult from Philadelphia on the eve the Constitutional Convention. So, I think it's a bit -- I think -- I can agree with Bob oftentimes when we talk about these things that we're sticking our nose in areas where there's really no U.S. interest. If there is, level them and come home.

BECKEL: We've got allies and we've got treaty obligations that we certainly have to keep up, with Japan, for example. But the idea that somehow all of these internal issues you talk about in China and other areas, the United States military is just not in a position to do much about that. There is some intelligence you can do with it. Eric is right, I think you could probably disrupt it. And business I agree with as well.

But, you know, they talk in here about -- here's the weakness of the United States, we're taking a carrier off the coast of China to bring it back and it will be four months without a career over there.

This is nothing new. It happens all the time. When I was in the White House, we were moving carriers out, being refitted, bringing them back. So, there's always a period of time when you don't have a carrier group in a particular area.

It doesn't show weakness. It shows logistics how you move carriers around the world. It's not an easy thing.

GUTFELD: I guess my concern is the message that we send around the world, which we -- that America was the issue, was the problem, and President Obama came in to kind of work on ourselves. Not work on the world. I think the world doesn't --

BOLLING: It's not you, it's me.

PERINO: I was going to say that, too.

GUTFELD: Oh, there you go.

PERINO: Everybody is taking my lines today.

GUTFELD: Aww, poor thing.

All right. Coming up, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar talks about language in the locker room. You'll hear from him.

Plus, will Oprah Winfrey replace Donald Sterling as owner of the Clippers? If other NBA owners force him out? Eric has got some news, next.


BOLLING: Welcome back, everybody. The fastest seven rides again: three provocative topics, seven pulsating minutes. See, when you take a week off or two? One pithy host.

First up, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar sat down with Bill O'Reilly last night to chat about the very provocative comment made by a black sports writer who suggested NBA players, and specifically African-American NBA players, stop using the "N" word. Here's Kareem's interesting response.


KAREEN ABDUL-JABBAR, NBA HALL OF FAMER: People who don't understand what we fought for in this country during the civil rights movement think that they can clean that word up. I don't think it can ever be cleaned up, and I think black Americans should avoid using it.


BOLLING: Interesting. Interesting. He's a very classy guy. If you watch that whole interview, it's fantastic.

TANTAROS: He's right. I mean, I was raised not to use that word. I think most of us were raised not to use that word.

What this means is we spend a lot of time talking about people who are using this word. So I'm glad that he came out and said it, but it shouldn't be used in any situation, and he's right. This younger generation, a lot of hip-hop artists they weren't around when people were dying so that that word was never used again. And I'm glad that he finally said something. Because a lot of us can't make that argument.

BOLLING: Greg, the "N" word is now, as Andrea points out, is probably in three-quarters of hip-hop songs. It's -- white kids in the suburbs are using that word. Is this -- maybe they shouldn't be, but has it become culturally acceptable? Will it ever become culturally acceptable?

GUTFELD: It's great, when a white kid is lip-syncing to it, they kind of don't say that word.

BOLLING: Sometimes they say it, too.

GUTFELD: Here you have, you know, Bill O'Reilly and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, two incredibly tall people. Come on.

TANTAROS: Are you offended?

GUTFELD: Yes, I am. It's like whoa, they're so tall.

You shouldn't say the word out of respect of others. That makes sense to me. But I don't really -- I don't really...

TANTAROS: That's a great shot.

GUTFELD: Look at that.

TANTAROS: That's not Photoshopped either.

GUTFELD: Amazing.

But I don't really care. I don't care what people say. And it's -- you know, if he has a problem with it, it's great that he talks about it. But I just don't care.

BOLLING: The sportscaster.

"Gay" is another word people are using quite often. They're saying, "Oh, that's gay," and they don't necessarily mean sexuality. It has a different connotation.

PERINO: I just think that that word is different, and maybe that has just been over time evolution. Maybe in some ways the young African-American rappers think that they've earned the right to use it, that word. And who am I to say that they shouldn't be allowed to?

GUTFELD: They're sapping the power -- sapping the badness of it by saying it, which is...

BOLLING: Over time doesn't that happen to almost every word?

PERINO: Like the word "gay."

BECKEL: It's so ingrained in the black community now, it's not going to do any good. It's not just locker rooms in the NBA. It's every place you go you hear it. But you know, it gets back to one of the things I've always liked, which is that I don't care what you think about me. I care what you think.

BOLLING: OK. All right. We're going to move on to this one. Bill Maher must have put down the bong the other night, making a little bit of sense. Like all of us, he slammed Donald Sterling and condemned -- commended America for seeing Sterling's racism through the same scope. But Maher went further, and I have to say it pains me, but I agree with this nut job.


BILL MAHER, HOST, HBO'S "REAL TIME WITH BILL MAHER": The creepy part is that, yes, when you get taped in your own house and then that goes out to the world -- again, no one here is defending Don Sterling, but that's what's creepy to me, is that we can't even speak in our own house anymore. I don't know how that tape gets out there. I don't know why that's legal. But I'm much more concerned about things like that than I am the NSA, which I'm concerned about, too.


BOLLING: So Greg, he makes a very good point.

GUTFELD: We talked about this, about the origin of the tape on -- when this thing broke.

From what I understand, you know, remember she claims that she's an archivist. Archivist. Archivist, I don't know. He might have let her -- the tape is unclear. He probably knew she was taping him, because she -- this is a genius trap -- she convinced him to express his opinions for posterity for perhaps a memoir. So he was there -- that's why it's legal. He agreed to being taped. I think there was another person in the room. I don't know this for sure, but that's why...

BOLLING: I did read that. I did read that. He asked...

GUTFELD: ... she doesn't seem that worried. How is she not worried about being...

BOLLING: ... wanted her to tape it for an archive for some sort of biography.

Dana, you're on. Bill Maher, agree or disagree?

PERINO: I think he's probably right. And I -- I think that if anyone were to tape my conversations inside my house, they'd be so bored.


PERINO: But I don't want to feel intimidated into not talking about it.

BECKEL: I'd hate to use an old line, but Sominex sales would plummet.

GUTFELD: You'd just be talking to the dog.

BECKEL: The other thing is...

PERINO: And nagging.

BECKEL: ... California is one of those states where it's against the law to tape somebody and then release that tape. That's one of the -- several states do that, but that's one of them. So either somebody broke the law or he agreed to go with it.

BOLLING: Donald Sterling was out to dinner last night in L.A. He's not hiding. He's not ducking this media at all.


BECKEL: With his ex-wife.

TANTAROS: I'm not surprised.

But even though maybe Bill Maher makes a point here, doesn't matter. Whether it's legal or not, it's out there. And that still doesn't give him a get-out-of-jail-free card.

And the conversation now, we can have the conversation about whether or not it's right or wrong to tape somebody. But the world we live in now, we have to assume that whoever we're having a conversation with could tape it. And it's sad, but it used to be you needed a TV crew to take something nationwide. Now you just need an iPhone.

BECKEL: I have to say, if there were tapes in my house, unlike Dana's, it would be...

TANTAROS: I know. Riveting stuff.

BOLLING: ... rating.

Finally, the queen of all media, Oprah says she's part of an interested group in acquiring the L.A. Clippers franchise. Here's Gayle King, one of Oprah's BFFs.


GAYLE KING, FRIEND OF OPRAH: I was talking to Oprah late last night about it. I know she's very excited about the possibility. I'm thinking I need to get some Clippers merchandise. A jersey or two.

CHARLIE ROSE, JOURNALIST: I think you'd be needing to get us some tickets.


BOLLING: So Bobby, Oprah wants to buy, but she wants a couple investors.

By the way, I would love to be an investor in that group.

BECKEL: Well, she's got a couple. One is Ellison. He's the fifth richest man in the world, who has made a fortune in I.T. And the other one is -- what's his name, the mogul from...


BECKEL: David Geffen. I think with Oprah in it, I think that almost guarantees that's the group that gets it. It's going to go for $700 million.

BOLLING: At least and maybe higher. A bunch of people lined up.

TANTAROS: OK. The fact that you said you want to invest in it proves my point, that I want to invest in it, too. I think a lot of this, all the names on here might not be legitimate. I mean, you have Oscar de la Hoya, all these other people just trying to float their names as people who are going to buy and who have no intention of buying it, who just want to get in the media.

So I heard Greg Gutfeld say in the green room that you were thinking about investing in the Clippers. Is that right? Or the water ballet. The synchronized naked water ballet men's team, right?

GUTFELD: I'm not ready yet.

BOLLING: The market taking care of business here.

PERINO: Sure. But it remind me of something that people do in Washington when they want to get a job or a plumb appointment.

TANTAROS: Exactly.

PERINO: They call the reporter and say, "Hey, can you just float my name in there as a possibility?" Bingo.

Somebody that I know, and it was very embarrassing when it was revealed.

BOLLING: Final thoughts?

GUTFELD: Oprah's gay (ph), means a lot in support of this. And the great thing is, the news is, every fan who comes gets a free car. They get a free car.

BOLLING: That's how you do it.


PERINO: There you go.

BOLLING: We're going to leave it right there.

Ahead on "The Five," Toronto's pipe-sucking mayor finally admits he has a problem and takes a leave of absence after new pictures emerge of him holding a crack pipe this weekend. Details coming up on "The Five."


TANTAROS: Well, today is May 1, almost known as decision day for high- school seniors nationwide. It's the final day to let colleges know if you're going to accept their offer to attend. And one senior this year might have had the hardest choice of anyone to make. Kwasi Enin was accepted to all eight Ivy League schools, and he just announced his decision.


KWASI ENIN, ACCEPTED TO MULTIPLE IVY LEAGUE SCHOOLS: I'm excited and proud to announce that this fall I'll become a member of the Yale University class of 2018. In the end it was four of the Ivy League schools met my aid with the same amount, and so Yale was one of them, and I picked Yale in the end.


TANTAROS: All right. Congratulations, Kwasi.

And we have some tips now for kids heading off to college. I know Greg Gutfeld, you have some very good tips, don't you?

GUTFELD: Yes, I have a lot. I'm trying to narrow them down. Google speech codes in college. Any college with a speech code, do not go.

You've got to redefine what a cool job is. It's not a behind a desk. It's behind a drill or a gun. If you're drawing energy from the ground or you're defending this great country, that's a real job.

Don't do what I did. I wasted two years of my life in college. The first two years were a blur. I have no memory. Go out and do something. Learn a trade. Frac to your heart's content. Don't express yourself. That's stupid.


BECKEL: Very wise advice.

TANTAROS: School newspapers, because you get a good idea if they let conservatives weigh in. And that gave me a good idea. If it was all liberals I thought, "I'm not going to go there." But if there was a conservative voice in the paper, I thought, maybe some diversity.

GUTFELD: That's a better tip than all of mine.

PERINO: Much better tip.

I was just going to say that don't feel limited. If you didn't get into your big school of choice and you are choosing maybe to go to a smaller school, do not think that that will limit your career opportunities in the future.

Because I went to University of Southern Colorado. I think there were less than 5,000 people that went there.


PERINO: But I had a chance to shine there was, because I had more individual attention. No one's ever heard of that school, but it worked well for me.

GUTFELD: USC, it's a big school.

TANTAROS: That actually is a great point. A lot of kids put so much pressure on where you go to school, but it's really the internships you get and the people that you meet along the way.

Mr. Bolling, any tips?

BOLLING: Yes. Yes. Go to a school in a warm state so that, when your mom and dad come visit you, they can hang out at the beach like University of Miami or UCLA. One of those two. I'm just kidding. I just hope my son goes to one of those states.

Tips, I would say honestly just study. Because as you point out, the minute you graduate and you take that diploma, it will open the door. And then all -- once the doors of whatever school you go to opens, once you find the doors that are available to you, once you go through, you don't stop. Just go and just keep running. And really, what you did for the prior four years won't matter.

TANTAROS: Bob, any G-rated tips you'd like to share with our audience?

BECKEL: First of all, I was accepted into one college.

GUTFELD: It was a barber college.

BECKEL: But it was a good barber college. It was back during the days when you were doing the grease stuff.

But no, I think there's a couple of things to keep in mind. One is the cost of college is so prohibitive these days that you ought to try to pick a school that's a good school but doesn't put you so far in debt that you're going to have to start out $100,000 down.

And the second thing is, I urge all of you to get as far away from your parents as you possibly can.

BOLLING: Bobby, that's terrible.

BECKEL: Find another place to go. Go to the middle of the country. My daughter is going to Colorado, and I'm very happy about that, because you need to get out and break those ties a little bit. You're about to start out on your own life.

BOLLING: Did you graduate -- did you graduate from barber school? Can you look that way. You've got a mullet going on.

TANTAROS: I like Bob's hair today.

BOLLING: It's like a...

TANTAROS: I like it. It's very Don Johnsonesque.

BECKEL: All I can say is...

GUTFELD: Could the biggest college tip be don't go?

PERINO: No. I think it should be don't drink your four years away.

TANTAROS: I think not everybody should feel this pressure that they need to go. Maybe...

PERINO: But there's irrefutable evidence that your wealth possibility grows.

GUTFELD: Go later.

TANTAROS: Take a year off to travel, maybe.

PERINO: I'm for that.

TANTAROS: Also, I look at -- didn't get to the internship program, check out if they have a robust internship program.

PERINO: And international exchange.

TANTAROS: And I picked also because the ratio for guys to girl was higher. Honest.

Next up, Bob's upset about the minimum wage vote on Capitol Hill yesterday. He's got some choice words for Republicans -- Bob, look up -- when we come back.

BECKEL: Sorry, yes. I was just doing...


BECKEL: First of all, let me say my suspenders in the back just broke, so you'll have to put up with it.

Yesterday Republicans in the Senate had the chance, the chance, to lift the paychecks of millions of poor Americans. Instead, the cowards blocked the legislation to increase the minimum wage. Yesterday at the White House President Obama rightfully slammed the GOP, who should be ashamed of themselves.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We saw this morning a majority of senators saying yes but almost every Republican saying no to giving America a raise. They prevented a raise for 28 million hard-working Americans. They said no to helping millions work their way out of poverty. They told Americans like the ones who are here today that you're on your own without even looking them in the eye.


BECKEL: Exactly right. Eric, in the last five years, 39 states have raised their minimum wage. I know the big argument is it's going to cost jobs. Not a single job was lost in those states.

BOLLING: Well, I'm not sure about that, but that's the way it should be. If the states want to do it, go and let the states do it. What President Obama is talking about is a national minimum wage, which is a foolish idea, because that will definitely destroy jobs. Lower wage jobs will definitely leave the country. If you make small things like this and you can't afford to do any more, it will go to China.

BECKEL: Completely achieved...


BOLLING: Can I just caution you about this faux outrage that you keep blasting out here about this minimum wage? Where's the outrage when there's a policy out there, there's one decision that could be made that could create thousands of jobs and literally tens of billions of dollars in revenue, a.k.a. the Keystone Pipeline? Where's the outrage for the Democrats in Congress who are blocking that legislation?

BECKEL: I happen to think it's a good idea.

BOLLING: There you go.

PERINO: That's been his position. He thinks...

BOLLING: Well, talk to your friends out there.

BECKEL: They're not going to listen to me. It's an election year. But listen...

GUTFELD: Fact-free zone.

BECKEL: The CBO did say you could lose as much as 500,000 jobs, but a million-some people would be lifted out of poverty. But a lot of other people disagree with the CBO on this thing. Where do you come down on it?

PERINO: I -- I have something I call policy cannibalism. So what the president wants to give us the president also taketh away. What he has done in terms of taxes -- increased taxes, increased electricity costs, because of new regulations -- any money that would be gained by someone actually getting to work an extra ten hours or an increase in the minimum wage, that money would be -- automatically have to be spent on things that would actually not benefit them directly. So that's where I come down on it. I think it was a good decision.

BECKEL: I'm not sure I followed that, but I...

PERINO: It was brilliant.

BECKEL: Greg? You were there moaning when the president was talking.

GUTFELD: Yes. So they prevented a raise. They're guilty of removing something that wasn't there to begin with. That's the way the left operates. They never build a business. They only bilk them. It's theft disguised as redistribution disguised as Christmas. Obama seems...

BECKEL: Keep people in poverty?

GUTFELD: Yes. See, that's right. You're doing it right now. Obama looks at the small business, and he just sees the open cash register. He doesn't see how a business is built, how it affects the hiring and firing. He doesn't know. So we hate poor people. I hate poor people.

BECKEL: I know you do.

GUTFELD: And kids. And dogs.

BECKEL: You were a waitress. You didn't make minimum wage, did you?

TANTAROS: Lower than minimum wage. Far lower. Like $2.34 an hour.

BECKEL: What do you think? Doesn't it make sense to put money in people's pockets, to go out there to spend and help the economy?

TANTAROS: I think this is just an election-year gimmick, Bob. I mean, if you want to talk real numbers, New York is a state that actually has a higher minimum wage. But President Obama, he hasn't even run so much as a lemonade stand, so he doesn't understand that business owners are looking at the payroll tax, all these other things they have to take out.

I would love to hire somebody. I'm being honest. Someone called me, my accountant. They said, "This is what you have to do to pay somebody." I couldn't afford it. So I can't create a job.

GUTFELD: Yes, and that sucks.

TANTAROS: It does.

GUTFELD: Because I just moved in.

TANTAROS: I know, and you have to get your stuff out, Greg.

GUTFELD: I would have been a great nanny.

BECKEL: You would have been, you know. Great. The kid would have been like "The Omen."

OK, "One More Thing" is up next.


PERINO: It's time now for "One More Thing." I'm going to go first.

We talked earlier about college, and I'm sure that many people are going to have to go out and buy some graduation gifts this week and also for Mother's Day. You probably already bought "Not Cool," because Greg has been so good at promoting his book.

And I just wanted to say there's one other book, if you're going to buy it, that came out this year. If you haven't catch -- gotten it already, get it for your graduate. It's Charles Krauthammer's "Things That Matter." If I were a student, I would definitely benefit from reading that book.

GUTFELD: Yes, he hasn't sold enough books.

PERINO: So I recommend that. In addition to "Not Cool."

GUTFELD: Yes. Thanks, Dana.

PERINO: All right. Bob, you're next.

BECKEL: OK. Bob [SIC] Ford, the mayor of Toronto...


BECKEL: Rob Ford, excuse me, is taking time off from his campaign to go to rehab to try to take care of his alcohol addiction among other things.

I wish you well. God bless you. But let me tell you, don't come back and run for mayor. Your chances of staying sober if you do that are almost nonexistent.

PERINO: And that's more important.

All right. Greg, you get to go next.

GUTFELD: This is an interesting thing that occurred on another network.


REP. KAREN BASS (D), CALIFORNIA: Just comes in and apologizes and just confesses ignorance.

REV. AL SHARPTON, MSNBC: (COUGHS) Congressman Ryan never apologized!


GUTFELD: I hope he's OK, but I know just by running that it's going to happen to me tonight. That was like an interesting cough/sneeze.

PERINO: Can I say one thing here? I hope that he was -- I hope she keeps talking.

GUTFELD: What he did is, he probably -- probably swallowed a lozenge and didn't think she was going to stop talking and went like that.

BOLLING: Boy, that's a little scary karma thing.

GUTFELD: Yes. Exactly.

BOLLING: You know, you heard the intro.

PERINO: You're next, Eric.

BOLLING: I am. OK. So Senator Rand Paul, friend of mine, introduced legislation to cut off funding to the Palestinian government and Hamas unless they recognize Israel as a state. Sounded like a great idea.

Now the Washington Free Beacon today ran a story. I'm trying to figure this out. APEC, which is a leading Israeli group, is going to oppose that bill. I'm trying to figure that out, why. But it turns out Rand Paul is going to be on "Hannity" tonight. You can find out why, because it's making me scratch my head.

PERINO: All right. Andrea, you're next.

TANTAROS: And I'm going to be on "O'Reilly." So Democrats are pushing for a municipal I.D. in New York city because they feel that illegal aliens should have I.D.s. However, they don't want to require everyone else in the country to use an I.D. to vote. It doesn't make a lot of sense, but James Carville and I will be debating it this evening on "The Factor."

PERINO: All right. Don't forget to set your DVRs. You'll never miss an episode of "The Five" that way. We're going to be back here tomorrow.

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