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Ingraham: Academic resistance to Kavanaugh

This is a rush transcript from "The Ingraham Angle," October 2, 2018. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS HOST: We are always going to be fair and balanced and we are not the destroy-Trump media. And we will be back in D.C. tomorrow night for this big week. Let not your heart be troubled. She is in the next studio over, Laura Ingraham. Laura.

LAURA INGRAHAM FOX NEWS HOST: Are we still saying Ingraham? You know how many people come up to me and say, will Sean --

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HANNITY: I'm going over to your studio. Hang on, just wait for me. I'll be right there. Hang on one second. (Inaudible).

INGRAHAM: Oh my god.

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HANNITY: -- walking into the next studio.

INGRAHAM: Oh my gosh. You're not supposed to tell people. It's supposed to be a surprise.

HANNITY: Well, this is a surprise walking. Well, this is how close I am to you.

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INGRAHAM: Make sure the lighting is really shadowy. A shadowy figure.

HANNITY: By the way, did you put it low on purpose?

INGRAHAM: I wanted it really shadowy like a dark figure who enters through the -- so you're moving here, like, what's going on? I mean, have you gotten through your mail forwarded here?

HANNITY: How about welcome to D.C.? It's great to see you.

INGRAHAM: Well, I saw your sensei by the way walking around the makeup room. I took him down with one roundhouse kick. He's down like Jell-o in a pool.

HANNITY: OK, he's not my sensei. Now, can I show everybody --

INGRAHAM: Oh, get out of my -- don't take my folders!

HANNITY: No. You have your --

INGRAHAM: I went to law school! I have my folders, OK. I don't want you to disrupt my --

HANNITY: When I come to D.C., I don't get the big studio with a great background and the capital behind me.

INGRAHAM: And so you want to be treated like the king of all media both in New York and in our humble low ceiling studio. It is a small studio but there are those who love it, OK, Hannity.

HANNITY: Let me ask you a question because you are a lawyer. This is -- I am -- five weeks from tonight, results will be flying in.

INGRAHAM: Oh yes, big night.

HANNITY: I cannot believe that every single case has fallen apart, no corroboration and from day one -- I believe her without hearing even any evidence and now that it comes in, nobody is saying you know what, maybe we were rushed to judgment. Do they not care?

INGRAHAM: No, they will never apologize. They never apologize. They just keep going and they look for other smears. But the smear machine, I'm going to talk about this in a moment with these two academics that are coming on, the smear machine has run dry. So now they are moving to oh, his temperament. He had 200 great opinions on the D.C. Circuit. He has no temperament issues. Ridiculous.

HANNITY: How is one supposed to act if you are accused in high school of having drugged systematically women and had lines of boys ganging up to rape women. It is so slanderous without --

INGRAHAM: Yes, well we need to -- Trump was right today. We need to change the defamation laws in this country.

HANNITY: I'm not taking over your show. I only get paid for an hour.

INGRAHAM: OK, go talk to your sensei. Bye.

HANNITY: All right, see you.

INGRAHAM: All right, he's going to go out that door.

HANNITY: I'm stuck.

INGRAHAM: Oh, no, he can't get out.

HANNITY: I can't get.

INGRAHAM: And now he's going to sit there. Welcome to Washington, I'm Laura Ingraham and this is 'The Ingraham Angle.' At this hour, Fox News can report that the FBI's supplemental report on Judge Brett Kavanaugh could be delivered to the White House as soon as tomorrow.

And this breaking just moments ago, Fox's John Roberts has obtained a letter from the Christine Ford's ex-boyfriend alleging she never told him of the alleged assault. Ford coached her friend on taking a polygraph and she flew frequently without ever expressing any fear of flying. Wow.

We will break that all down with you in the latest with Joe diGenova, Andy McCarthy and a lot more. Plus, the anti-Trump and Kavanaugh forces have resorted to a number of increasingly hostile acts targeting lawmakers just over the past 24 hours.

Senator Tom Cotton is here -- I think it's his first appearance on 'The Ingraham Angle' -- is here to react. But first, academic resistance to Kavanaugh, that's the focus of tonight's "Angle."

The left is moving in lockstep in their sleazy effort to obliterate not only the Supreme Court confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh, but the man himself. We've seen Soros funded activists confronting senators in elevators to stall Kavanaugh's confirmation, choreographed impromptu press conferences and rallies. Hollywood stars staging their tedious walkouts to urge the senate to vote against Kavanaugh. And now academia has engaged, so watch out.

A provost distinguished professor at Georgetown University, her name is Carol Christine Fair, and she's acting everything but fair, tweeted this last weekend "Look at this chorus of entitled white men justifying a serial rapist arrogated entitlement. All of them deserve miserable deaths while feminist laugh as they take their last gasps. Bonus, we castrate their corpses and feed them to swine? Yes."

So, no longer content to indoctrinate our children. Academic liberals like Fair are now advocating violence against conservatives. When she was exposed by CampusReform, the Professor Fair accused them of bullying her. Now, she's a damsel in distress. I thought they would take care of themselves.

In a blog post she insisted, "My choice of words is intended to make you uncomfortable because I and tens of millions of women in this country aren't comfortable with the ongoing war on our bodies, our lives and our fundamental freedoms."

So, help me out here. Men should have their genitals mutilated, then fed to animals to give her control over her body? She is going to have to tell me how that will work. Now, what's shocking though is that Georgetown is standing by this left-wing nut bag. Are these the Jesuit Catholic values the university is so proud of?

Well they claim her comments were private and not the views of Georgetown. But this is a woman who on social media, has called Trump supporters Magats get it, and Trumpanzees. Can you imagine if a conservative academic, if there are any, referred to Democratic politician supporters as simians or anyone for that matter as a monkey? Someone owes Roseann an apology. This dean, check it out, is a true lefty hater.

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CAROL CHRISTINE FAIR, PROFESSOR, GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY: Trump, and I won't use the preface, president, what Trump has done largely under the influence of Israel has been everything it can to sabotage this Iran agreement.

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INGRAHAM: We had to blur out some of those stickers on her laptop. She can't even keep those clean. And I'm sure Trump is losing sleep over the fact that she is not calling him President Trump. All right, but just as a comparison, a Catholic university, also in D.C., Dean Will Rainford had the nerve to question Christine Ford's credibility on twitter.

He wrote "Swetnick is 55 years old, Kavanaugh is 52 years old, since when do senior girls hang out with freshman boys? If it happened when Kavanaugh was a senior, Swetnick was an adult drinking with, and by her admission, having sex with underage boys. In another universe he would be the victim and she's a perp.

Well, for that completely kind of fact-based opinion, the Dean Rainford was suspended by Catholic U for the semester and forced to write an apology, and he didn't even threaten anybody's life, OK. By the way, a suspension wasn't good enough, yesterday angry protesters stormed the university demanding that the dean resign.

Liberals have infested every corner of university's from the classroom to the administration building, we know that by now. And emboldened, they operate according to their own resistance rulebook. At least 20 Yale University professors shut down classes last week I guess so that law students could protest Kavanaugh's hearing both in D.C. and on campus.

Students wore black and staged sit-ins. How original. Undergrads later marched across campus to express their outrage. Now, remember, Kavanaugh is a Yale alum, so this is particularly pathetic.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She's very emotional during her opening statement and to be confronted with -- the first thing that Senator Grassley said was he feels equally for Brett Kavanaugh, her alleged perpetrator as he feels for Dr. Ford, who has received death threats.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And she feels like unable to be safe even in her own home and really wants there to be an extra way for people to exit, I find that to be really striking. This happened to her decades ago and she's still feeling the real effects of it today.

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INGRAHAM: $75,000 a year for tuition at Yale University. And at Harvard University, yesterday associate dean Catherine Claypool announced that Brett Kavanaugh will no longer be teaching a course that he's taught in the past at the school. Claypool claims that Kavanaugh "can no longer commit to his course on the Supreme Court." No wonder. This is the university that last year, months after Trump's election, hosted a resistance school featuring leftist activists and agitators.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The origin of the resistance school lies in the election on November 8th of 2016 of the 45th president of the United States.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Like so many of you, my friends and I woke up on November 9th just devastated.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Schools are places for intellectual exchange, for social transformation and yes, when necessary for political resistance.

Schools are places for intellectual exchange, for social transformation and yes, when necessary, for political resistance.

INGRAHAM: $80,000 of your, what is it at Harvard? True to form, students and alumni have been urging Harvard Law School to rescind Kavanaugh's teaching appointment since the Christine Ford allegations leaked. Hundreds of graduates signed a petition demanding that Harvard cut ties with Kavanaugh. In other words, the mob got their way.

For Yale and Harvard, and even dean unFair, who we talked about earlier,, you know, what happened to this principle of innocent until proven guilty? I thought the liberals really believed in that. That's totally out the window.

Given the shaky state of these accusations against Kavanaugh and the daily erosion of the credibility of the accusers, why are law schools of all places rushing to judgment against their own alumnus without any substantiating evidence or witnesses? It's amazing.

If they really wanted to teach their law students an important lesson, it might be this. Put your political prejudice aside, exercise a bit of restraint and withhold judgment until all the evidence and the facts are in.

Oh, and justice should still be blind, not political. And that's the ANGLE. Joining me now is Allan Lichtman from American University and Jamil Jaffer from George Mason. Allan, great to have you both here. This liberal professor is literally calling for violence against Republican senators. Your thoughts on this, and the university is back in her. Would they do the same thing if a conservative or kind of middle-of-the-road Republican professor were advocating violence against any minority group?

ALLAN LICHTMAN, POFESSOR OF HISTORY, AMERICA UNIVERSITY: I can only speak for myself and my university. I've been teaching for 45 years at American University. Nobody but nobody has ever advocated violence against anyone.

INGRAHAM: So what do you think of this professor? It's like a code you can't comment on other professors?

LICHTMAN: Well, I don't think anyone should be advocating violence but I'm astonished to hear you talk about the need for facts and truth in the age of Donald Trump. We have a president who is documented to have issued over 4,000 lives.

INGRAHAM: Documented by whom?

LICHTMAN: Documented by "The Washington Post."

INGRAHAM: OK. OK.

LICHTMAN: It has to be wrong because it isn't a right winger. You just told us. You got to respect -- let me finish.

INGRAHAM: Allan, but no, we know that you're --

LICHTMAN: You spoke for five minutes.

INGRAHAM: Right. Like when you have the Lichtman Angle you can speak for as long as you want.

LICHTMAN: So then why are you having me here if you won't let me speak.

INGRAHAM: Don't play that game. I'm trying to direct the conversation as we do have limited time.

LICHTMAN: Oh, you don't want to hear about Donald Trump's lies, of course not.

INGRAHAM: The conversation is about why on college campuses is there such a monolith against Donald Trump. How many conservative professors at American University? Name three.

LICHTMAN: We do not put litmus tests on our professors. I do not ask --

INGRAHAM: You can't name because you know there aren't any.

LICHTMAN: That's nonsense. I do not ask for the politics -- you put politics on professors. We don't at American University.

INGRAHAM: OK.

LICHTMAN: I teach a course in American conservatism. I wrote a book on American conservatism.

INGRAHAM: So you don't think it matters.

LICHTMAN: I've had thousands upon thousands of students over 45 years, not a single complaint. And let me say, when you were talking about the case for the accusers falling apart, what about how Brett Kavanaugh has fallen apart in the age of truth?

INGRAHAM: Do you think you can lose your job at AU if you have one allegation against you that's not substantiated, should you lose it?

LICHTMAN: I think it should be investigated and checked.

INGRAHAM: Should you lose deanship if one person makes an allegation.

LICHTMAN: Mitch McConnell said he's going to plow through without any investigation.

LICHTMAN: You'd be outraged if this were happening to a liberal justice like Sotomayor.

LICHTMAN: This is not what's happening to Brett Kavanaugh.

INGRAHAM: You would be outraged and there would be torches at AU across the circle and they would say how could you do this to Sotomayor?

LICHTMAN: You have no idea what you're talking about.

INGRAHAM: Yes I do. I used to live about a block from AU and I ran at the track every day.

LICHTMAN: OK, so you know all about American University.

INGRAHAM: I do. I met a lot of great students. They have a lot of great students.

LICHTMAN: This is the age of facts, right wing facts. You happen to live near the American University. I've taught there for 45 years, but you know more about American University.

INGRAHAM: Because you teach doesn't mean that you necessarily think because you said that Donald Trump is an autocrat. Have you not said that on multiple occasions?

LICHTMAN: Absolutely.

INGRAHAM: OK, with that you lose all credibility in saying that.

LICHTMAN: Because you don't believe that?

INGRAHAM: Because it's ridiculous. Did you live in the former Soviet Union?

LICHTMAN: Let me defend it.

INGRAHAM: I did. Go ahead Jamil.

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LICHTMAN: He fell in love with Kim Jong-un, the most brutal dictator on the planet.

INGRAHAM: Doing this doesn't make your point. He fell in love with him now he did a deal just like a lot of presidents.

LICHTMAN: There's no deal.

INGRAHAM: Really.

LICHTMAN: There's no deal.

INGRAHAM: Have we ever done a deal with Saudi Arabia? Ever done a deal with Saudi Arabia? You know we have. Go ahead.

LICHTMAN: None. It's a figment.

INGRAHAM: Go ahead.

JAMIL JAFFER, ADJUNCT LAW PROFESSOR, GEORGE MASON UNIVERSITY: Well look, Laura. I mean, look, just because you have the right to say something doesn't mean you should, right. This professor is out there, she doesn't have a concern with what's going on the Hill with Judge Kavanaugh and that's fine. She's allowed to have her concerns.

Talking about people being murdered, being castrated, you know, people always talk about the tone in Washington and the tone in the country and all these beast. They have to point the finger at the president, so that's correctly, for changing the tone in the country.

And yet here we are and it's hard -- you can't be critical of Professor Fair because she's allowed to use that tone.

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INGRAHAM: I think that we have a situation on campus. I want to focus on that, where conservative students do feel like they are under siege. And I know Allan you have written some really fascinating stuff and you are a really good professor and this is not any type of criticism of your particular teaching, but this is an interesting piece written just a couple months ago, just this spring of this year by Brad Schober who is the president of Loyola College Republicans.

He said, and he's a senior so he could write this for the Baltimore Sun. He said, "I have witnessed professors to go out of their way to attack Donald Trump or even conservatives as a whole. And I'm sure these professors will justify their actions as educating students on issues, however these attacks, which are often very illogical or hypocritical take students, even those who dislike President Trump and push them off to the political right.

The school is more than willing to invite speakers who have been given leadership awards by the former General Secretary of Soviet Union and to give the 2018 commencement speaker spot to a man who said he would've killed Trump had he been in the room when he was born, and yet to my knowledge have not brought in a single conservative speaker in my four years here." That's really sad for students.

JAFFER: I mean it's terrible, OK. I can tell you on campus at UCLA back in 1990 when I graduated, I was called a sellout to my race, to my religion because I happen to be conservative. I happen to talk about my politics on campus. I have made a fraternity and I was attacked and I was told that I was in the wrong and I wasn't allowed to speak on campus because I didn't have that sort of view that the other -- people expected me to be a liberal because I'm a minority.

LICHTMAN: Let me respond to this. You know, conservatives have such outrage, and justifiably when someone speaks hatefully or violently, and yet I have yet to see conservatives outraged over what the extreme right has been doing in this country. Let me finish.

JAFFER: I'm outraged. Let me tell you, I'm outraged.

LICHTMAN: What are you outraged about?

JAFFER: I'm outraged when the alt-right goes out there and attacks people and criticizes them. I'm completely outraged. But don't tell me -- don't tell me that my outrage isn't justified or that I didn't experience what I experienced.

LICHTMAN: I never said that.

JAFFER: OK.

LICHTMAN: So don't put words in my mouth. Let me finish.

JAFFER: Let's talk about that.

INGRAHAM: Real quick guys.

LICHTMAN: I didn't interrupt you. I didn't interrupt you. And the other way -- there's a study that I was about to site by the Cato Institute, not a left-wing group, which says over 25 years, the amount of murders committed by right wing terrorists is seven times higher than that by left- wing terrorists.

Why do I hear nothing from you about that? Moreover, there was a course at San Diego State University using my book, the case for impeachment, and the right wanted to silence me, wanted to silence my book.

INGRAHAM: I would never want to silence you.

LICHTMAN: It was all over Fox News. All over the right.

INGRAHAM: But I would say Allan, if you're going to come on--

LICHTMAN: -- allowed to speak.

INGRAHAM: If you're going to come on this show and claim that liberals don't have enough platforms in the United States, they dominate academia, you couldn't name one conservative professor, they dominate entertainment industry, let me finish. They dominate the entertainment industry, they dominate most churches in the United States.

And even when Trump is here they don't want to defeat him in the substance. They want to defeat him as a person. It's not about Kavanaugh as a judge. It's about Kavanaugh as a person.

LICHTMAN: You area totally wrong about that. You read my books. You know my books are all about the substance. All about the facts.

INGRAHAM: Right. Well, I'm not talking about your textbooks. It's great to promote textbooks.

LICHTMAN: And my teachings is all about --

INGRAHAM: Look, but you are one person.

LICHTMAN: We academics search for truths.

INGRAHAM: You know what happens on campuses and you just don't have credibility --

LICHTMAN: -- about what happens on campuses. You call out these isolated examples --

INGRAHAM: You think Berkeley, what they did to conservatives at Berkeley is fair? Are you kidding me?

LICHTMAN: What they did at San Diego State wasn't fair either. You pull out these isolated examples.

INGRAHAM: It's not an isolated example. How many conservative speak --

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JAFFER: I know you don't check the politics of your faculty, fine.

LICHTMAN: Of course not. You shouldn't.

JAFFER: But be honest about what campus politics looks like. Be honest about faculty politics. We've all been there. We've all seen it. The reality is that the vast majority of American University --

LICHTMAN: You know why, because we have merit based hiring --

INGRAHAM: Is that it?

LICHTMAN: That's it!

INGRAHAM: That's it.

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INGRAHAM: Do you know what it is? Conservative need not apply. It's self-selective. It's self-selective. It's like who wants to go --

LICHTMAN: Conservatives who hired us. When I got hired academia was conservative.

INGRAHAM: When you talk (inaudible) pipe down, pipe down. This is my classroom. When people call Trump supporters not deplorable's, but trumpanzees and trumptards, this is the kind of stuff that's just commonplace on campus. Commonplace.

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INGRAHAM: It's so sad for the students because it's better. I was at Dartmouth. I got a lot of liberal professors who were good friends. We had a blast debating issues, it was so much fun. That's what campus is all about, exchange of real ideas.

LICHTMAN: You and I agree with that.

INGRAHAM: OK. Let's end on that.

LICHTMAN: But when we have a president who calls the press the enemies of the people, disgusting and worse.

INGRAHAM: Trump is an autocrat, we get it. We get it. We get it. We are not talking about the topic but it was a really fun conversation. You're both great and it was good to have you on.

Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton is here when we return. A lot more to get to on "The Ingraham Angle." Huge news night, other developments on the Christine Ford front, we will get to all of it, stay there.

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INGRAHAM: The last 24 hours have revealed what can happen when activists turn aggressive. Representative Andy Harris of Maryland was harassed at his congressional office by two pro pot activists. I thought they were supposed to be calm because of pot. Mitch McConnell was harassed at Reagan National Airport by the same Soros-funded group that cornered poor old Jeff Flake in the congressional elevator.

And suspicious packages were sent to the Pentagon, Senator Ted Cruz's Texas campaign office and the White House. So where is all this leading? To answer that, we're joined by Senator Tom Cotton. Senator, thanks so much for being here. You've been very vocal about this Kavanaugh circus. So how is this political division, the acrimony, now this aggression over the nomination fueled some of these perhaps increasingly dangerous situations?

SEN. TOM COTTON, R—ARK.: Well, Laura, the Democrats will stop at nothing to defeat Brett Kavanaugh's nomination to the Supreme Court. They are not doing that because of the allegations they've trotted out over the last two weeks. They are doing it because they don't want to have a conservative majority on the Supreme Court and that's why you've seen some of the most outlandish wild out claims rolled out, with immediate demands that he withdraw.

He's not withdrawing, where voting on him. Everybody will have to put their cards on the table for God and country later this week. Brett Kavanaugh will be confirmed because the more we learn, I suspect the FBI investigation will simply corroborate this. His denials are the things that are supported by evidence, not the allegations against him.

INGRAHAM: Senator, the security in the Senate seems to me to be a bit of an issue when you can have people -- clearly this is all orchestrated and planned. They had the cameras already to go and they work for Soros Center for Democracy, co-executive director was the one who was shouting most in the beginning.

They corner Flake and Flake is like melting and he was like he needs a pair of Depends or something. He doesn't know how to deal with like two women yelling at him. And he's like no, no, don't -- and it's screaming at him and I don't know if they stood in the elevator, but they couldn't get out - - he was like stuck in the elevator. Is this now going to incentivize other such organized protesters to do the same thing? And then they get their moment of viral shame?

COTTON: Well, you are right, a lot of these protesters are professional left-wing activists at D.C. community organizing groups or even Democratic staffers. They are yelling and screaming in the hallways, or stalking senators not just in the Senate but at airports and even to their homes.

The young staffers in Susan Collins offices have received death threats and rape threats. They walk around disrupting business in the Senate. This is a result in part of the kind of wild eyed radical claims that Democrats have made about Brett Kavanaugh from the very beginning.

And remember Laura, it wasn't that long ago when a madman, a former Bernie Sanders supporters showed up at a baseball field in Alexandria to commit mass murder against congressional Republicans. Thankfully, Capitol Hill police officers were there because Steve Scalise police were present and they were able to neutralize the threat but not before Steve Scalise were badly wounded and still walks on crutches to this day because of it.

So I think some of our Democratic colleagues need to reconsider their rhetoric and the kinds of incentives that they are giving to people that frankly are a little bit around the bend.

INGRAHAM: Senator, three takeaways from Christine Ford's ex-boyfriend, and again, it's an ex-boyfriend so you have to take it with a grain of salt -- obtained by Fox News tonight. Blasey Ford helped prepare a friend to take a polygraph test. She fancies herself something of an expert in polygraphs but she had that history. Apparently she had no fear of flying in small airplanes, a number of trips that he was I guess on with her or aware of and she had no aversion to tight or closed spaces.

She claimed that she had become claustrophobic because of this event 36 years ago. There were other comments of a sexual nature that I'd rather not get into, but he was never told about her assault in any way, shape, or form and anyway, I don't want to talk about more of the sexual stuff but there is that out there as well.

COTTON: Yes Laura, so I haven't seen that letter, I only heard your reporting on it earlier. I will say this. I assume the FBI will consider that matter. I also assume the FBI will seek the therapist notes that Ms. Ford cited as corroborating evidence from 2012. Nobody has seen those yet, she refused to turn them over to the Senate Judiciary Committee.

What little we do know comes from "Washington Post" reporting. If anything, it is exculpatory for Brett Kavanaugh. It corroborates his account and creates internal inconsistencies in Ms. Ford's account. So, I hope the FBI has had a chance to review those therapist notes as part of their supplemental background check.

INGRAHAM: Senator, your predictio, will he get confirmed?

COTTON: Brett Kavanaugh will be confirmed to the Supreme Court later this week. It will be a majority. I hope it is a bipartisan majority. I hope many of the senators last week that went over the top in their rhetoric will reconsider what they said.

Recognize that even though they lost the election, even though a Republican president is appointing a justice of his choice and being confirmed by a Republican majority Senate, that they need for the long-term health of the Senate and the Supreme Court to reconsider their rhetoric about the legitimacy of this process.

If anything, Chuck Grassley, Mitch McConnell, Donald Trump have bent over backwards to be transparent and provide all the information that's necessary to prove that Brett Kavanaugh is both highly qualified and that there is no corroboration or proof for any of the allegations against him.

INGRAHAM: Senator Tom Cotton, thanks so much for being with us tonight. And Kavanaugh's accusers and their enablers in the media seem to be having trouble finding one story and sticking to it. First Kavanaugh was a groper, then he was a flasher and then all of a sudden he was a serial gang-rapist or drop quaaludes in the punch bowl. When those stories couldn't stand on their own, Kavanaugh became a partisan hack and a belligerent drunk.

And did you know he actually threw some cubes of the cold stuff on someone in a 1985 bar fight? That makes him cooler. Sorry. A lot of people are like, that's cool. And now they claim he perjured himself, which is completely false.

Here to debate the evolving narrative is Joe diGenova, former U.S. attorney, and Scott Bolden, National Bar Association PAC president. Joe, let me start with you. Is this anything other than a craven attempt by the Democrats to hold onto the seat?

JOE DIGENOVA, FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY: Clearly that's what it is. The performance by the Democrats on the committee during the hearing and in their public discourse has been rather shameful, but it really doesn't matter to them because it's all about power.

I thought that Judge Kavanaugh conducted himself brilliantly during the hearings and in his statement that he gave, which some of the Democratic senators objected to, where he became angry and I think legitimately so after having been accused of being a serial rapist, in order to protect his own name and that of his wife and his children. I think it was perfectly justifiable. I give them an A-plus for his performance. I give the Senate Democrats on the committee a disgraceful F. And it's all about power for them. They lost the election. As Barack Obama said, elections have consequences. We won, you lost, get over it.

INGRAHAM: Scott?

SCOTT BOLDEN, NATIONAL BAR ASSOCIATION PAC PRESIDENT: Wow. I feel just the opposite. I would give Kavanaugh and F and I would give the Democrats at least a B, but maybe an A in regard to how thoughtful they were after the partisan attack. You put that list up there talking about what he was accused of. He's never been accused of being a serial rapist by Ford, and if he was a partisan hack, he was a partisan hack in his testimony, I've never seen it, I don't know if anybody else has ever seen a nominee go after the Democrats and the Clintons out of the blue simply because there is a young woman who says when she was 15 he attacked her. Now, what does that have to do with Democratic politics? They didn't go round up two or three attackers and say, hey, just say these things. To argue that is to suggest that they are lying.

And that's the problem with the GOP, that they are not seeking the truth. They just want Kavanaugh to get on the bench. Whether he's qualified or not, whether he is a belligerent drunk or not, or whether he attacked these three women. And whether he lied about it or not and whether his temperament is not what it should be because of this presentation. Those are the reactions --

INGRAHAM: If the sloppy or belligerent drunk standard is going to be now operative in this town we are going to shut down a lot of trade associations, Senate offices, House offices, and law offices. We'll get to that. We'll get to more. We have a lot more to get to.

While the Democrats obsess over what they claim are inconsistencies in Kavanaugh's testimony, what about the shifting stories from his accusers? One senator is calling for a criminal referral over Julie Swetnick's contradictions. Andy McCarthy will also join these two, next.

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RICHARD VINNECCY, EX-BOYFRIEND OF JULIE SWETNICK: Right after I broke up with here, she basically called me many times, and at one point she basically said you will never, ever see your unborn child alive, and I'm just going to go over there and I'm going to kill you guys.

INGRAHAM: Did she mention ever having been sexually assaulted?

VINNECCY: Never. Never once she mentioned that to me. And we used to talk about, just about everything, and she never once mentioned that at all. I really don't believe her. No one knows better -- nobody knows Julie Swetnick better than me.

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INGRAHAM: That was the ex-boyfriend of Kavanaugh accuser Julie Swetnick laying out the case for why she is an unreliable witness. That was of course following her disastrous interview with NBC that included inconsistencies with her sworn affidavit at almost every turn.

Now Louisiana Senator Bill Cassidy is calling for a criminal referral over what he says is a signed false affidavit sent to the Senate by her attorney Michael Avenatti. FOX News contributor and former U.S. attorney Andy McCarthy joins us to discuss. Also back with us Joe diGenova and Scott Bolden. Andy, as these allegations continue to unravel, is there any recourse that Kavanaugh or the Senate may have against some of these accusers?

ANDY MCCARTHY, FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY: I think, Laura, this being more importantly than anything else, a political process, if this gives them some steam behind them to get this thing to a vote and get him confirmed, that would be the best thing that could happen. They could certainly refer these matters to the FBI and the Justice Department and ask them to be investigated. They could ask not only to have these statements investigated, but to find out whether she was put up to this, to make the kind of statements that she made and make the kind of case that she made. But I would think the most important thing here, the imperative is to get this process done and to get this guy voted on.

INGRAHAM: The new allegations against Christine Ford, to all of you, include that she coached at least one person on a polygraph, and a number of other inconsistencies about her statement. And he said she never mentioned this assault to him and other things about her sexual history which I don't really want to get into. I'm not going to be that full screen.

BOLDEN: So what? So what? So what that she was inconsistent with the affidavit. That's not going to get her prosecuted or investigated. So what she has a boyfriend who has an ax to grind who says they talked about everything.

INGRAHAM: What does he get out of it?

BOLDEN: I don't know what he gets out of it. Maybe he should be investigated for why he's not on TV as a boyfriend, not a husband, who said they talked about everything. Are you kidding me?

INGRAHAM: OK, so what you are saying is someone can accuse an individual for a big job with impunity with an allegation, unsubstantiated, you sign an affidavit, then you go on and give interviews because you are all heady and have a head full of steam. Then you have inconsistencies and it should be oh, no, big deal. No big deal. Is there intent? If there's intent to deceive --

DIGENOVA: I think that what Andy said is important to follow up on. Let's remember what this is. This is a confirmation process for the United States Supreme Court. At this has thrown out allegations which she has sworn under penalty of perjury are true and submitted it to the committee doing the confirmation.

When this is over and he is confirmed, Chairman Grassley should refer that to the Justice Department for a federal grand jury, and she should be given a chance to come before that grand jury and explain herself. There's a reason for that. You have to make people understand that you can't send false information to a United States Senate committee in the middle of a process that is important to our constitutional system. She should be investigated, Miss Swetnick should be investigated, and if necessary charged with the crime of submitting a false statement to the Senate. We have to do that to protect the system.

INGRAHAM: Andy, my source tonight tells me that the Mark Judge interview which went on for several hours went very well. It was extremely thorough, and the FBI seemed fairly pleased with his cooperation. That's all I know, but that's a very reliable source. What about that? Do you need to make people pay for dragging the country through this? And it's lying to a government body.

MCCARTHY: I think number one you absolutely have to do that if you have evidence that people lied, because what happened here should never happen, and I think a lot of what happened here is about the in terrorem effect of what was done not only to Kavanaugh, but to people around Kavanaugh. I think what they're trying to do is make an example of him. And what has to be made is a counterexample that if you pervert a process like this, if you provide false information to a Senate committee, as Joe said, you need to be prosecuted. And I would go a step further and say if there were people behind you who put you up to it, they need to be investigated as well.

INGRAHAM: That means donors, any emails that have been deleted or texts that have been deleted. People you've consulted with.

MCCARTHY: Lawyers.

INGRAHAM: Lawyers. Lawyers who are not acting as lawyers but as activists. That attorney-client privilege would melt away pretty fast if it's a crime. We all know that. We're out of time, guys. So sorry. I would love to have you on the whole hour.

BOLDEN: Disagreement doesn't mean you can prove they are lying.

INGRAHAM: Well, you can't lie --

MCCARTHY: That's why they call it an investigation. That's why God made grand jury's.

BOLDEN: Exactly. That's why we're investigating Kavanaugh.

INGRAHAM: Senate Democrats are feeling the heat from both sides now -- this is a fun panel -- as Kavanaugh accusations have begun to backfire. Ed Henry has a live report, new details, next.

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INGRAHAM: As poll numbers coming from West Virginia and North Dakota, Senate Democrats are feeling the political pressure to vote for Kavanaugh. For more we are joined by Fox News chief national correspondent Ed Henry. Ed?

ED HENRY, FOX NEWS CHIEF NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Laura, great to see you. The breaking news tonight, as you noted, is that we are hearing the FBI could give this final report to the White House as soon as tomorrow. That may explain why the Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell told colleagues expect this report soon. You'll have a couple days to review it, and then he's planning an up or down vote by the end of this week.

Also new tonight, Dr. Ford's legal team wrote to the FBI demanding she get to talk. We're hearing, though, from law enforcement sources that she may not be called in by the FBI because she's already spoken to the Senate Judiciary Committee, and so they can rely on those hours of sworn testimony. They will only reach out to her if something is corroborated.

Absent that, McConnell is moving forward with a vote on Kavanaugh which led Democratic leader Chuck Schumer to lash out today, complaining this is moving too fast, which may have something to do with the fact that Democrats are nervous about how this is playing out in some close Senate races. Heidi Heitkamp, who is undecided in North Dakota, now trailing her Republican opponent, listen to this, by 10 points. In a poll by the conservative Judicial Crisis Network found 56 percent of North Dakotans want Kavanaugh confirmed. In West Virginia, Democrat Joe Manchin has to deal with the fact that the same conservative poll found 58 percent of voters in his state want a "yes" on Kavanaugh.

Pay attention to New Jersey where Republican Bob Hugin has pulled to within two points of Democrat Bob Menendez. The Republican had announced his support for Kavanaugh. He pulled it back after the initial allegations. Now says he's going to wait for a final decision when the FBI probe ends. So everyone is focused on undecided Republicans like Collins, Flake, Murkowski, but there are some Democrats tonight who are very much on the griddle as well, Laura.

INGRAHAM: Thank you so much, Ed.

And joining us live from New York city is Bob Hugin. He's here to tell us about his race against incumbent Senator Bob Menendez. Remember, he was indicted on a number of charges, a lot of ethical issues continue to hang over Menendez. But Bob, I appreciate you joining us. How much weight do you think this Kavanaugh fight could impact the midterms and even blue states like yours in New Jersey?

BOB HUGIN, R, NEW JERSEY SENATE CANDIDATE: Laura, first of all, great to be with you tonight. This is exciting times in New Jersey. I think people are paying close attention to this. They want a process that's fair, not one that has embarrassed us all. So I think we are really hopeful we will get to the bottom of this. I think the FBI investigation is important that we get all the information. But once we get that information it's time to come to judgment and make a decision for the American people.

INGRAHAM: Now, the poll, I guess there's this Stockton University poll that's fairly reputable, has the race with Senator Menendez at just a two- point deficit for you. A lot of people are shocked by that, but people who I know who have been following you in Jersey aren't shocked about it at all because Menendez has like a 54 percent unfavorability rating, and still all the stuff going on with what happened with the indictment, and then of course the Senate ethics committee and what they said about his behavior. It's sort of funny to hear him talking about Kavanaugh with everything that he has had his hands on.

HUGIN: It's so embarrassing. Laura, we've been over 400 campaign stops already, events, meeting with New Jerseyans of every location in our state. They want change. They are embarrassed by this guy. He violated federal law, abused the power of his office, disgraced the Senate, embarrassed us all in New Jersey. And on top of that, 25 years in Washington, with years as a Democratic president, and New Jersey is dead last? We have the least back from Washington of any state.

The people of New Jersey realize we can do so much better. The people of New Jersey deserve so much better. We are going to do better. Put the people of New Jersey first, starting in January. So it's really exciting to be in New Jersey. Every day we get more and more positive feedback. Democrats endorsing us. They know people deserve better, and we are going to give them better.

INGRAHAM: New Jersey is always the butt of everybody's jokes, but that's usually from people who haven't spent a lot of time in New Jersey. It's a beautiful state, but it has some really bad leadership, ridiculously high taxes. I love Chris Christie. I know some people don't like him, but I like him. But ridiculously high taxes. And I think that the McConnell super PAC should be putting money into this race. It's a toss-up now. And this is a race that Republicans can win. So don't just focus on the races that have gotten all the publicity. Bob, we really appreciate your joining us. We will have you on the radio soon. Great to see you tonight.

HUGIN: Great to be with you, Laura. Thanks so much.

INGRAHAM: Congrats on narrowing that pole with Menendez, that's exciting.

What does the Kavanaugh saga tell us about how men will face accusations going forward? Should we be worried as a society, mothers, sisters, wives? An important conversation ahead.

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INGRAHAM: The uncorroborated charges against Brett Kavanaugh raise another issue. What effect will this have on American men in our country's long tradition of due process? Something President Trump addressed from his rally tonight.

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We better start as a country getting smart and getting tough and not letting that stuff, right back there all of those cameras, tell us how to live our lives.

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TRUMP: Fake news. We have the worst libel laws anywhere in the world. They can say anything they want, and we can't sue them because if you're famous you can't sue. Figure that one out. Think of your son. Think of your husband.

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INGRAHAM: Here with a reaction is D.C. McAllister, a political commenter and a senior contributor for "The Federalist." D.C., you say that this notion of believe women has a proper place depending on the context. And you heard the president tonight talking about men and sons and brothers and fathers, obviously referencing those who are wrongly accused. He is getting hit really hard on social media for, I guess, attacking Ford's account as unreliable and saying this. Your reaction tonight?

D.C. MCALLISTER, SENIOR CONTRIBUTOR, "THE FEDERALIST": When you take a stance that we need to believe women, then you are automatically saying that the men are guilty, the men are lying, the men are the ones who are at fault. And we just can't do that because we have a presumption of innocence in the society. You just can't go ahead and say because he is a man that he is guilty.

This is a problem with the "I believe the women" crowd is that you just can't do this. And Trump is right, I know they are attacking him for what he is doing and what he is saying. He is defending the democratic ideals, the democratic principles that we have in our society. And if we don't have those, if we are not defending the presumption of innocence in our society, than what do we have? We don't have security. The men are not secure. Our fathers aren't secure. No one is.

INGRAHAM: This is another little taste of what the president said tonight about the credibility of Dr. Ford.

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TRUMP: How did you get home? I don't remember. How'd you get there? I don't remember. Where is the place? I don't remember. How many years ago was it? I don't know.

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TRUMP: I don't know. I don't know. What neighborhood was it in? I don't know. Where's the house? I don't know. Upstairs, downstairs, where was it? I don't know. But I had one beer. That's the only thing I remember.

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INGRAHAM: Did he do that off the cuff, because that was really funny. I'm sorry. D.C., close it out.

MCALLISTER: Yes, there is no corroborating evidence. We can't just believe someone just because they say it. There's a time to believe women when they come to you and they are in your personal sphere, but when they show up at the last minute with these political processes going on, this is not the time just to believe a woman no matter what she is saying. We have to go through the process. We have to believe the evidence that is before our eyes not just trust them when at the last minute it is going to affect our political processes and our democracy in the long term.

INGRAHAM: D.C. McAllister, thank you so much for joining us tonight.

And coming up, could Trump and Kaepernick hold a summit? It won't be a beer summit, Trump doesn't drink. Kanye West thinks it's possible. The last bite, next.

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INGRAHAM: It is time for the last bite. Now, first it was his MAGA hat, and now Kanye West is trying on his own diplomatic hat. He told TMZ that he wants to bring President Trump and Colin Kaepernick together for a peace summit at the White House. Watch.

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KANYE WEST, MUSICAL ARTIST: I've been calling Colin this morning, reaching him so I can bring Colin to the White House we can remove - statement, and we can be on the same page.

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INGRAHAM: Trump would definitely show up, I think. But would Kaepernick? Maybe he'd take a knee. I hope not. That would be fun if he should show up.

That's all the time we have tonight. Shannon Bream and the "Fox News @ Night" team take it from here.

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