Impact of Kiev crisis on Obama's 'reset' with Russia

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," February 20, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino, along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is "The Five."


PERINO: The situation in Ukraine takes a turn for the worse, after a truce between the government and opposition leaders falls apart. At least
70 people are now dead and hundreds hurt as the government continues its crackdown on protesters. Today, the European Union voted to impose sanctions on some Ukrainian officials responsible for the violence.

Yesterday, President Obama threatened consequences. But John Bolton doesn't think his words amount to much.


JOHN BOLTON, FORMER U.S. AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N.: He calls on the government not to resort to violence, and then in the next sentence he calls on demonstrators to be responsible. So, he's showing moral equivalence, government, demonstrators, sort of all the same thing. Much the same way in August of 2008 when Russia invaded Georgia, he called on both the Russian side and the Georgian side to exercise restraint. The likes of Vladimir Putin see that behavior and they say the field is open.


PERINO: And with President Putin's fingerprints all over the current chaos, a lot of people though are looking at the United States' role, and we had this look back of 2009.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I think we have an excellent opportunity to reset the relationship between the United States and Russia.

JOSEPH BIDEN, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: To paraphrase President Obama, it's time to press the reset button.

HILLARY CLINTON, THEN-SECRETARY OF STATE: We want to reset our relationship --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let's do this together.

CLINTON: So, we will do it together.



PERINO: Prop comedy, doesn't ever work.


PERINO: George Will -- George Will had thoughts about this last night. We thought that was worth playing, and then we're going to kick it around the table.

Kick it.


GEORGE WILL, FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: We're seeing in the Ukraine what we've seen in Syria and what we'll see again in Iran is a complete failure of what I think was the centerpiece of the president's foreign policy, and that is the reset of relations with Russia. Putin is obviously bolstering the government in Ukraine. The question then is, what are we getting? Is this completely sterile policy?


PERINO: Greg, this afternoon, the Pentagon said that Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel has been trying all week to try to reach the Ukrainian defense minister, but his calls are either not being taken and certainly not being returned.

So, what should America do at this point if no one is even going to listen?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: I think the game is over for America. I think the game is over because our guy chose not to play. If you look at Iran, you look at Syria, you look at Snowden, these are all trifles when you're busy tweeting about binge watching "House of Cards" or congratulating an athlete who's come out of gay which are all noble things. But in the world of priorities, Obama's more like a publicist for "Us Weekly" than a president.

And when you put a community organizer up against ex-KGB this is what happens.

But more important, how do you represent American interests when you in fact don't like them?

Do -- I mean, here's the question. Do you really think a young Obama in his 20s, during the Cold War thought we were the good guys? Do you really believe that? Hell no.

PERINO: Maybe not, maybe in his 30s, he changed his mind.

GUTFELD: Perhaps.


GUTFELD: Evolved.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: There's some tremors --

GUTFELD: I got Bob mad on that one.

PERINO: Eric, of the things that the United States and E.U. can do that would not involve troops or military or anything like that is the threat of sanctions against government officials in the Ukraine. Can that have a substantial effect quickly enough to stop some violence?

BOLLING: I'm guessing not, only because Russia said no.

Here's what we can do. First of all, it's not our war. It's not our problem. It's none of our business. We should stay out of it.

I think what the E.U. is trying to do and what we should try to do is force the -- force the Ukraine into an early election. Let them go ahead and push -- let them start their election process early rather than later.
That may calm the protesting down.

But when I say force, I don't mean military force. I mean diplomatic force. I mean sanctions, if you want, if the sanctions mean holding back aid that you may have added to them. Or --

PERINO: Like, for example, the president of Ukraine's bank account, or preventing him from being able -- like the individual.

BOLLING: Fine. Those are all -- those are above my pay grade. All I care about is not putting some boots on the ground.

Look, we've got a war on poverty. We have a war on women. We have a war on race here in America. We're pretty darn busy.

PERINO: But, Bob -- so, Eric has a point that I think a lot of Americans would agree. We don't have any role in this fight, but there is history that would say, what would Poland look like today if America had made that decision in the '80s?

BOLLING: Well, before -- can I just give you props?


BOLLING: Yesterday, you said that truce wasn't going to last long.
It lasted about 15 minutes after you said it. So that was a good call on your part.

BECKEL: Putin's been embarrassed in any event.

Look, Ukraine as I also mentioned yesterday is critical for Putin's strategy which is to put together the old Warsaw Pact and Soviet Union, and he is -- he has to have to the Ukraine to do that for a lot of different reasons.

I listened to Josh Bolton who barely left a mark --


BECKEL: Josh Bolton, I would tell you --

PERINO: John Bolton.

BECKEL: -- who barely left a mark at the U.N. And George Will who said this is a failure of the American policy and talks about Iran, Syria and the Ukraine, and he connects it to the Soviet Union. What would George Will have them do?

It's easy to be critical about these things. It's easy to make fun like Greg does of a community organizer, but this is not a very clear situation. You all didn't want us to go into Syria. I happened to want us to go into Syria.

PERINO: Excuse me. Don't look at me and say that.

BECKEL: A lot of people -- you and I were there on that. But --

PERINO: Bombs away.

BECKEL: Also, what can we do to Ukraine? I think Eric's right.
There's very little we can do because the one thing that goes through their country is gas and we can't cut that off against -- can't sanction that.
Who's got the biggest threat here? The E.U. has the biggest threat because they depend on the energy.

And so, they need to come up with a list of sanctions, if there's such a thing. I'm not sure there is.

GUILFOYLE: So, you don't sound like you don't think it's so workable or that we can have --


BECKEL: I don't believe anybody -- Ronald Reagan or anybody else could have done any better.

And here's the last point I'll make: Russia still presents to us the one leverage we have against the Chinese, and I have always believed the Chinese to be the single biggest threat to the United States. The Russians never got close to the Chinese. They still can be playing a role in keeping the Chinese from trying to dominate the Pacific theater.

GUILFOYLE: But the problem, Bob, is our relationship with Russia is not good. It's continued to deteriorate.

BECKEL: When was it good?

GUILFOYLE: Hold on, as has our positions in the Middle East there.
There seems to be a tremendous amount of unrest and a number of countries now that are destabilized. We don't seem to be able to get ahold on it.
They don't seem to actually even care if we issue sanctions or care what we have to say.

That's what's problematic to me is our position in the world, to have the ability to effectuate good, to be able to help other people and to be able to secure our positions here doesn't seem to be in any way --

BECKEL: Nor has it been for 30 years.

GUTFELD: Actually, we did when --

GUILFOYLE: I disagree with that.

GUTFELD: We did win the Cold War. Let's not forget that, and we have a president right now who is obsessed, obsessed with global warming, obsessed with one degree of an increase over a century, while the whole planet literally is on fire. There's actual global warming going on right now in Venezuela, in Syria, in the Ukraine.


GUTFELD: That temperatures are high, and he's worried about one degree Celsius. And again, I go back to electing a grad student, would rather save a whale than himself and his people. He's like a house keeper vacuuming his home while it's on fire.

GUILFOYLE: Well, that happened at my house one time.

PERINO: Let me read to something that Ron Paul, former presidential candidate, said. He said that the American people are very leery of getting involved in another squabble in some other country. I would be willing to wager most of the people in Ukraine would like to see the United States stay out and they would like to see the Russians stay out.

The problem with that I have is that that's just not reality. The Russians are going to be there, so we have Ukrainians who like the Western lifestyle. They have been able to travel. They have said, wow, it's so much better.

GUILFOYLE: They want to embrace it.

PERINO: They want to be free and like to do the shopping.

GUTFELD: We're their inspiration.


PERINO: We're their inspiration. So, if we're not going to be there and Russia is, have we just ceded that ground then?

BECKEL: Russia controls the economic leverage of the Ukraine and we do not.

BOLLING: Not necessarily.

BECKEL: Oh, they do.


BOLLING: It's more than just a pipeline through the country. Ukraine has substantial production. They have substantial economy that isn't just Russian gas.

PERINO: Agriculture.

BOLLING: And they are back becoming more and more --

GUILFOYLE: Strategic and geographic disadvantage.

BOLLING: Do we have to be the world's -- every time a group that wants democracy is pushed back by someone who wants it less, do we have to be the arbiter? Do we always have to be the arbiter?

GUTFELD: There's nobody else.

BOLLING: No, not only the arbiter, do we have to be the military arbiter? That's my question.

PERINO: I mean, is there anybody who said that there should be military assets used in this?

GUILFOYLE: Not at this table.

GUTFELD: I just want to have a leader, that's all. That's all I'm asking for, is a leader.

BECKEL: If you had -- say this thing had taken place under Ronald Reagan, what do you think Ronald Reagan would do about the Ukraine right now?

GUTFELD: I think it wouldn't have happened because Putin would have respected Ronald Reagan. He sees -- he really does -- he understands that President Obama is interested in fighting a domestic revolution, not to foment any kind of international democracy. He's interested in cleaning the problems of past aggressions of bad America within its -- within its boundaries. Outside of America, he doesn't care.

BECKEL: You can say that Ronald Reagan ended the Cold War is ridiculous.

BOLLING: Why is that ridiculous?

BECKEL: Because a lot of presidents led up to that, particularly and including the nuclear weapons that were placed in Europe by the United States and they knew that they --


BECKEL: He put 2,000 troops in Lebanon, got more marines killed in one single day than anybody else.

BOLLING: No, no, let's talk about --

BECKEL: I give you this -- Reagan did invade Grenada and saved 400 rich American students. That was good.

BOLLING: Hey, Bob, here's what you just said --

GUTFELD: That's all he did, right?

BOLLING: Meanwhile, there was that -- we had a 30-year Cold War going back and forth, when Ronald Reagan developed SDI, whether it was real or not, Strategic Defense Initiative, that's when it happened when they decided, you know, enough is enough, and Ronald Reagan dissolved the Soviet Union. So this wouldn't be going on --

BECKEL: Are you really saying that?


BECKEL: You're saying Ronald Reagan dissolved that.

GUTFELD: The Russians will tell you that.

GUILFOYLE: The Russians will tell you that. History will tell you that.

BECKEL: Gorbachev --

GUILFOYLE: Wikipedia.

BECKEL: Gorbachev will say that.

Most intelligent Russians will not say that. It was an accumulation, not the lest which was the mobile MIRV weapons the United States put in and the Russians couldn't keep up with it.

PERINO: Well, one thing President Reagan I think could have done, because he had such good personal relationships with many leaders around the world, to be able to do something -- and in fact call upon the U.N. who at that time to actually do something and speak with one voice.

Right now, unfortunately, you have the U.S. and E.U. kind of hanging out there by themselves as the only ones willing to stand up on the side of freedom.

GUILFOYLE: I think you made a great point, because there's a leadership vacuum right now, that's the problem.

If President Obama, and I wish he was in the position to have influence, some respect around the world, especially when it comes to these matters, then perhaps people would listen, then perhaps lives could be saved and we wouldn't be in this situation. I'm just telling you, look, Bob --


BECKEL: I'm asking for one of you to come up with a specific answer to this.


BOLLING: What's the question?

BECKEL: The question is what would you do? What would a big leader do? A Republican leader.

BOLLING: Exactly where Obama is going right now. I think he's handling it perfectly, what do you think of that?

BECKEL: I think he's doing everything --


PERINO: I think what the sound bites that you saw in this segment, I think they were saying there's consequences for a lack of a clear policy with Russia and also the red line situation in Syria has had basically like a ripple effect all around the world and that's their point of view.

BECKEL: And their point of view is Bolton and George Will. Now, come on. Is there one person that we put up there who actually thinks reasonably in geopolitical terms that's not a right-winger?

GUTFELD: Let's just look at what's going on around the world. We're focusing on the Ukraine. Meanwhile, Venezuela is on fire.

GUILFOYLE: Literally.

GUTFELD: Which is closer to us. Why -- I thought we --

PERINO: What about Syria?

GUTFELD: I thought we disliked the jerks who are in power and arrest the -- nobody cares. Look at Venezuela.

BECKEL: Did one thing change when Chavez got in?

GUTFELD: What do you mean?

PERINO: It got worse.

GUTFELD: Starving people, high crime rate.

BECKEL: No, what did the United States able to do about it? What was the United States able to do about it?

GUTFELD: Well, the guy blames everything on America.

GUILFOYLE: He said that we gave him cancer, remember?

BECKEL: Yes, I don't believe the Bush administration could have done more than they did. I don't believe anyone else could.

BOLLING: I mean, what are you trying to say --

BECKEL: What I'm trying to say is this idea of American leadership, you can isolate and say in the Cold War when the world was divided between east and west, that you may make a sensible argument about. But with all these different countries with all these different geopolitical issues, and to suggest that the United States somehow could have a, quote, "leader"
that's going to change these things is absolutely juvenile.

GUILFOYLE: But, Bob, you can't deny the fact that this perfect storm of chaos and instability has occurred under his not watchful administration.

BECKEL: The Mideast?

PERINO: We have to wrap, guys.

GUILFOYLE: I'm just telling you.

PERINO: All right. Next, should the government be able to meddle its way into newsrooms across America? We'll talk about that when "The Five" returns.


GUTFELD: In "The Wall Street Journal" owned by our parent company awesome people, incorporated, an FCC commissioner claims his agency will be entering newsrooms to grill employees on their motivations.

Ajit Pai says it's to show how bias harms underserved populations.

I don't know about you, but this sounds perfectly innocent. I'm all for it. This is definitely not part of a vindictive White House, one that used the IRS to target conservatives and the DOJ to target journalists.
That's a mere coincidence and you disgust me for considering it. You probably are a racist, a homophone or both, a romophobe.

GUILFOYLE: What's that?

GUTFELD: Seriously, thank God, the FCC is looking out for us and thank God as our labor force shrinks, as our enemies view as weak, as Iran builds a nuke, our government knows its priorities. After all, why was there a bunny on "Fox & Friends"? I need to know.

And far be it for me to think this is the same old liberal agenda, that when people report the truth, attack the people, not the truth. When everything you stand for, big government, big union, big guilt fails big, go after the faucet supplying the sober reality, shoot the messenger when your message is shot.

Mind you, I'm not critical of the FCC. They should be lauded. In fact, here's a quote from me. "It's about time the FCC enters the newsrooms across America to uncover bias and seek ways to rectify it," end quote.

There, am I safe now?


GUILFOYLE: No, but you have matching outfits.

GUTFELD: I know, this is a weird thing. We all have the same cycles, I guess, K.G.

They're claiming --

GUILFOYLE: Are you saying you're a girl?


They're claiming, the FCC is claiming that the goal is to promote policies that favor diversity of media voices, so it's perfectly fine.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, this to me actually -- it's very scary. I would rather them have cameras out there, you know, at the airports, all the new LED technology that's going to watch over us than this, because to me, this really strikes at the heart of journalism and a free press. Why do they need to spy in our newsrooms, OK, or maybe they need to spy in our green rooms and see what happens when Bob eats off the tray?

I'm sure they will be amused, but this really is a frightening situation. And if they are able to accomplish this, it would be a major coup for the Obama administration.

GUTFELD: Bob, is this just a coincidence that this is happening under President Obama?


BECKEL: I don't know if it's a coincidence. You know, I was trying to defend Obama and his foreign policy, but I do think they could have done more. They could have said more about Ukraine.

Now, having said that, this adds to my theory that they're not doing -
- they're doing a lot more here than they are doing there.

GUTFELD: That's what I'm saying.

BECKEL: And so, my question is why is it --

PERINO: We agree.

BECKEL: Wait a second. Why is it that a Democratic administration -- and I can't believe the FCC, though this has been around since December, amazed it hasn't leaked until now, why is it that these things are happening? Is it no control over them? Maybe, but I doubt it.

I just think that there's a general view that this is OK all under the rubric in many cases of terrorism and the rest of it, but the United States government is getting too involved in our lives here and not enough involved in lives of people over there. That's my view.



BOLLING: I agree with the first part.

GUILFOYLE: We're getting back together after that. Don't say anything else during the show.

GUTFELD: Eric, what kind of worries me is what happens when they come to issues like environmentalism or climate change and they find that the opinions are different. How are they going -- what are they going to do about that?

BOLLING: The way I understand it, right now, it's voluntary. So, at best it's meddling, and at worst it's intimidation and censorship. By the way, K.G. points out the free press, protecting the First Amendment. They literally will never get this as a law so it won't happen.

But it's interesting that they are -- look, they are willing to maybe violate the First Amendment with this. You know -- talking about they, I'm talking about the Obama administration. They want to trash the Second Amendment, you know, our right to keep and bear arms.

And the Fourth Amendment with the NSA stuff about illegal searches and seizures. They just have no regard for the Constitution whatsoever. They are more concerned about protecting criminals than they are our own founding document.

GUTFELD: Dana, we were talking about this earlier, you think that this guy, Ajit Pai, which I think I got right, actually did a huge favor for President Obama.

PERINO: That's right, and this is why. Because at the FCC, maybe like all the little people got together and they had a little chat maybe we should do this and put it forward and they got report, what happens then at the agencies is eventually those reports then go to the White House, and they go through a deputies process and then up to the principals and then to the president.

What Ajit did is basically he blew the whistle before the whistle needed to be blown so that today, the FCC said, actually, we're not going to do this which prevents President Obama from having to get involved at all and this can stop right here. I truly believe they will not go any further.

GUILFOYLE: Do you believe that this was strategic?

PERINO: No. I think it was a lucky coincidence that he was able to save them from themselves.

BECKEL: If you were the FCC, just one thing, if you're with the FCC, would you not stop and think, wait a minute, we've had a bad year with the IRS, with the NSA and things like this, don't you think we want to hold this one a little bit?

GUILFOYLE: Throttle back.

BECKEL: If there's that many stupid politicians at the FCC, they deserve what they get.

PERINO: This is why it's good to have diversity of opinion and on the commissions, you have either, depending on who the president is, three Republicans and two Democrats or three Democrats and two Republicans. In this case, it was Republican who said, thinks this is a really bad idea and everyone should be concerned. Now, he forced change and they're not going to do it.

GUTFELD: That's why Bob is here on "The Five," diversity of opinion.
That's why --

BECKEL: Except, I don't force any chance.

GUTFELD: Yes. Can I just read what the FCC, this was a response by Tom Wheeler, the head of the FCC. He said, "The commission has -- I think we have a (INAUDIBLE) -- has no intention of regulating political or other speech of journalist or broadcasters by way of this research design, any resulting study or through any other means." So, I thought I'd give them a say.

BOLLING: Sure, they do.

GUILFOYLE: That was actually nice.

GUTFELD: That was nice to me.

GUILFOYLE: But they still have a lot of gall.

GUTFELD: They do have a lot of gall.

All right.

BOLLING: What is gall?

GUTFELD: I never know what gall is.

Anyway, coming up, "House of Card" actress Robin Wright is convinced Washington, D.C. is sleazier, way sleazier than Hollywood when it comes to sleeping around. Also, you'll hear why.

Plus, Jerry Seinfeld's issues with how parents are raising their kids in America today, next.

GUILFOYLE: That's super funny.


BOLLING: All right. Welcome back to the fastest seven, everybody.
Three arresting stories, seven accelerated minutes, one agreeable host.

First up, sex, scandal, sources. SOT, please, Mina?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you have a man who cares for you? An older man?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But you've been with older men before?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Then you know they hurt you. And after they hurt you, they discard you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You can't hurt me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Take your heels off.


BOLLING: "House of Cards" star Robin Wright says an unnamed senior person in the Obama administration told her Washington reporters sleep with sources for stories. Wright tells "Capital File" magazine, quote, "D.C. is more corrupt and more sleazy than Hollywood."

And we're going to go to our D.C. expert, Dana.

PERINO: I don't know. I'm not an expert. I'm so disturbed by this because when I first saw, it I thought, yes, right. That never happens because I actually have no personal knowledge of that ever happening, and I
-- never approached, nothing, but I e-mailed a few friends today and they said, yes, of course, that happened all the time. I had no idea.

BOLLING: And which friends were these?

PERINO: I don't know.

But I do think it's more members of Congress than the administration.

GUILFOYLE: You were really shocked by that. Dana in the green room were like, can you believe, I'm so disturbed and I wrote the e-mails and like to get, you know, kind of solidarity with my friends and they all wrote back and said yes, it does.

BOLLING: What do you think?

GUILFOYLE: I totally believe it.


BOLLING: So, let's take this apart a little bit.

So, what she said, what Robin Wright said was reporters --


BOLLING: -- sleep with Congress people.

Now, I'm guessing female reporters are sleeping with congressmen, as it might -- or would it go the other way?

GUILFOYLE: I think they are all sleeping with each other.


PERINO: Well, I don't think that you can say that that -- no, that probably is not necessarily the only case.


PERINO: Right, Bob?

GUILFOYLE: Oh, please.

BECKEL: Hush little baby, don't you cry --

GUILFOYLE: And first of all --

BECKEL: A piece of pie -- are you kidding me? I was in Washington for 30 years. I can tell you -- I don't have to guess. I can tell you specifically.

I know one female reporter from a particular newspaper chain that slept with at least two members of Congress. I know of a lobbyist, a female lobbyist who slept with probably eight members of Congress. I know when I was in the administration -- anyway, the answer to your question about female members of Congress, that's been done, yes. It happens all the time.

Whether it's more sleazy than Hollywood, I don't know about Hollywood.
But it's got its own --

GUILFOYLE: I believe her, though, too. She's not a sensational person.

BOLLING: Have you or would you sleep with a source for a story?

GUTFELD: Well, they don't call it Congress more nothing.

I would rather not envision people in D.C. having sex. I just ate lunch. The thought of David Gergen sleeping with Nancy Pelosi could end sex as a concept forever.

And, by the way, that scene from "House of Cards" very disturbing for me because Spacey said the same thing to me a year ago.


PERINO: My friend thinks that that scene, that that whole -- is based on a true story.

GUILFOYLE: I know. Why would you suspect anyone to take their heels off?


BOLLING: All right. Next up, Jerry Seinfeld sat down with Jimmy Fallon this week. The topic: parenting. Watch.


JERRY SEINFELD, COMEDIAN: This thing, I don't know how we got so into it. When we were kids, our parents didn't give a damn about us. They didn't even know our name. But when I think of the bedtime routine for my kids is like this royal coronation jubilee centennial. I've got to read eight different moron books.

You know what -- you know what my bedtime story was when I was a kid, darkness. That was my bedtime story, that's it.


BOLLING: All right, mom. What do you think?

GUILFOYLE: I think he's totally right, but mine begins with the bath, let me tell you, doesn't want a bath unless I get in the bath -- what? No, we're not talking about Bob.

No, we're not talking about Bob. What I'm saying is we got to do the bath and then you got to do all the books, then you got to play and like set up the little Lego guys. It takes like two and a half hours.

PERINO: No, I would never do that.

BOLLING: Parenting has changed over the years, has it not?

BECKEL: Certainly has. And, by the way, your water is much too tepid

GUILFOYLE: Yes, right. Dreamer.

BECKEL: It really is.

The exercise of putting a child to sleep, at least when I came in, when it was now --

GUTFELD: Use the pillow.

GUILFOYLE: You weren't even home.

BECKEL: I used to have to sing, nothing else failed I used a hammer.

But, no, you did have to read all this stuff. I had to do homework with my kids at night at 3:00 in the third grade and I couldn't understand it.


BECKEL: So I think he's right. I didn't get darkness. I got a punch and I went in the darkness, that was mine.

BOLLING: D, your thought. He's hilarious.

PERINO: I loved it -- I was thinking to myself. I -- I was a good kid. I put myself to bed.

GUTFELD: Really?

PERINO: But, 7:59, and, OK, 8:00 I'm going to bed and could read for half an hour.

GUILFOYLE: You do the same thing now. Try to get an email --


GUILFOYLE: After 9:00, forget it, 5:00 a.m., yes.


Greg, Seinfeld, parent --

GUTFELD: The bigger point is that how dangerous coddling is for a child, discipline and delayed gratification --

GUILFOYLE: How would you know?

GUTFELD: Because I wasn't coddle. Delayed gratification is the flu shot against emotional pain when you get older. This is also part of the biological consequence of a decline of having lots of children. If you have one kid, spend more time with them. When you had a family of five kids you didn't and this is what he's talking about.

BOLLING: And the one kid you spent a lot of time doesn't even want to see you anymore.



BOLLING: Finally this, Freedom from Religion is an atheist group.
Annie Laurie Gaylor is the top wacko there. Here's Ms. Gaylor is explaining to Sean why she hates the Bible, especially in hotel rooms.



ANNIE LAURIE GAYLOR, FREEDOM FROM RELIGION: I don't like to pay high prices to stay in a hotel room to find a book in there that says I should be murdered, that blasphemers should be put to together, that women are subordinate.

SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS HOST: Don't open the book. They have channels on the TV that you don't like. Or you probably don't like me to watch me, usually.

GAYLOR: You said -- well, you said I'm not offended. But I am offended by a Bible because I don't think there's another book between whose pages life is so cheap, that sanctifies genocide.


BOLLING: All right. We're going -- quick round on this one. Greg?

GUTFELD: If I own a hotel, I wouldn't want anybody telling me what to put or not put in a room and if I do buy a hotel, this book will be in every single dresser, "Not Cool." You better buy it.

BOLLING: Next to the Gideon.


BOLLING: Dana, Sean makes a good point. There's a lot of good things on TV.

PERINO: I was thinking the same thing, or also, you know, what if somebody left behind "Fifty Shades of Grey" in the hotel room, is she going to be upset about that?

BECKEL: You'd want to find out who it was.


GUILFOYLE: The problem with the public libraries, the dirtiest book, the black light and stuff on them, not good.

BOLLING: Bob, the atheist, tolerance.

BECKEL: Lt me just say, what she was saying, let's keep in mind, the specific issue involved a hotel owned by a state university, and that really is an issue of a separation of church and state. If it'd been any other hotel, I'd just said she's crazy. But --

GUILFOYLE: You can barely find bibles in hotels anymore.

BECKEL: No, this -- the University of Iowa happens to have a hotel that it owns, and probably shouldn't have bibles.

GUTFELD: But so marginal an issue then.

BECKEL: No, I agree with you. I agree with you. I'm just saying that was the one thing --

GUILFOYLE: Leave the bible in the room for me and two chocolates on my pillow. Thank you.

BOLLING: We'll leave it at that. That's a perfect way to button up that segment.

PERINO: And also a hair towel.

BOLLING: Hair towel?

PERINO: You can't have one towel, need a towel for your hair, too, am I right?

BECKEL: If you stayed at Motel 6, you'd be better off.

BOLLING: We have to go now.

Still ahead, a Baltimore Ravens football player is in a boatload of trouble. Star running back Ray Rice was just arrested. Look at this hotel security video. Rice is seen dragging his unconscious fiancee out of an elevator after allegedly knocking her out. We've got video and the wild story, next.


GUILFOYLE: Another scandal involving an NFL star, this time Baltimore Ravens runningback Ray Rice. Rice was arrested on Saturday at a casino in Atlantic City and charged with simple assault after an incident involving his fiancee Janay Palmer.

TMZ Sports has just released this video of Rice dragging Palmer out of an elevator after allegedly knocking her out. She was also arrested for the altercation.

Now, it's not clear how the NFL plans to deal with this latest incident, one after another. What can we say? What should be done about this, while we love the NFL?

BECKEL: I think the NFL policy on this sort of thing is very lax.
These guys are cuddled. They're rich.

They earned their way on the field, I don't take that away from them.
But they are big, very strong people.

And the incidents, a lot of incidents with women, they get themselves involved with women who they can really manhandle. I think somebody like this ought to be suspended for at least a year and the NFL who takes more money from any other sporting event in this country, or for a sport for this country, ought to get its act together and recognize these pampered little babies they have got are trouble-makers.

GUILFOYLE: So, she's arrested for simple assault, Eric. The NFL, what about Goodell, should he come out and make a statement in they are investigating. They've got the video from Revel in Atlantic City, from the hotel.

BOLLING: Yes, look at that video. Watch how he treats her. Watch what happened --


BOLLING: He actually uses his foot to push her leg out of the way. I mean, that video should -- they should bring that to court and show a bunch of people what he's doing here. He's probably going to get in a hell of a lot of trouble.

GUILFOYLE: I want to tell you something -- if somebody did that to a dog, this guy would be just -- they would come and beat him.

BOLLING: He's disgusted. He walks away, pulls her and tries to pick her up and he almost drops her again. This guy should go to a jail for a long time -- forget getting suspended by the NFL. Once he's in jail, then he gets suspended by the NFL.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, Dana, what do you make of it?

PERINO: Well, I read that the lawyer says we're confident by the time all the facts come out that what actually transpired was just minor. And so, OK, I'm willing to hear how that all happened. What I don't understand, is Kimberly, maybe you can answer, why does she get arrested as well?

GUILFOYLE: Well, what's alleged to have happened is she struck him, right, so the only allegation against her would be simple assault. Did he strike her back in self-defense? Was it reasonable? What happened?

Well, it seems she didn't make herself unconscious. How was she to the point that she was that incapacitated, knocked out like dead weight pushing her body like a sack of potatoes and drags her on video camera -- cameras don't lie through the hallway like that


GUTFELD: Yes, you don't see what happened before. That's the key.
And I'm sure that --

GUILFOYLE: But what's the reasonable justification for her condition or state?

GUTFELD: Well, no, I mean, if she's charged with simple assault and she hit him and hit her back. Men hit women, they go down.

The interesting point about this is that he participates in anti- bullying efforts, and that's where you kind of realize the point of a lot of charity and causes like bullying and like climate change for celebrities are designed to excuse your regular otherwise disgusting behavior.

GUILFOYLE: The bully at home.

GUTFELD: As long as -- I mean, basically celebrities, a lot of them, are just bullies with publicists.

GUILFOYLE: It's just terrible. The thing is when you have video like this, it's so compelling, right? But, again, it only tells a part of the story, but even when you kind of come up with every possible scenario, none of them is good for her being in that condition or that state, and it doesn't justify, by the way, women who are abusers, and a lot of times that goes underreported because men are too ashamed to be able to talk about it.

GUTFELD: Dana hits me all the time, but I don't talk about it.


GUTFELD: Yes, nice.

PERINO: Kidding.

GUILFOYLE: There's just so much --


GUILFOYLE: It's a joke. Let's do it. Paging Jon Stewart. This is a FOX News alert.

All right. Ahead, Gap just announced it's going to raise the minimum for its employees. Will Walmart do the same? Bob is going to try to convince them when we come back. Stay with us.



BECKEL: There's no minimum wage at that joint across the street.


BECKEL: This morning, I couldn't believe it when I read that Wal-Mart was considering supporting an increase in the federal minimum wage, just like the Gap did just last week, I guess. Turns out the report isn't true.
I knew it was too hard to believe. Wal-Mart denied it and said it's not considering backing the hike.

Let me just give my quick opinion, and I'll pass it around to you.

Seven twenty-five is the minimum wage in this country. If you are working full time and working hard at 7.25 an hour, and you are married and have two kids, your annual income falls below the poverty level. Isn't that sensational for the richest country in the world, that we put people to work, and our minimum wage puts them at poverty? That's great.

GUTFELD: We are such a poor country.

BOLLING: Remember what we talked about, Bob, and if you start at base pay in the military you're below poverty, as well.

Here's the thing. If you bring 7.25 up to 10.10, right, that affects
16 million people, according to the CBO. I'll show you the math again.

BECKEL: The CBO said it would be marginal. It could be up to a million.

BOLLING: No, no, no, I said -- no, the CBO...

BECKEL: Did you read it?

BOLLING: I'm -- Bob, it affects 16 million people. Sixteen million people make under 10.10 an hour in America. That's what we're talking about. It may cost 500,000 to 1 million jobs, but it will cost $50 billion if you do the math on it.


BOLLING: So? Who is going to pay for it?

BECKEL: That much more money will be circulating through the economy, and it ought to have a multiplier effect.

BOLLING: And all -- and who's going to pick up the tab on the 50B?

BECKEL: Nothing. It's going to be spent by those people at stores and other places.

BOLLING: Who pays for it?

BECKEL: Well, the businesses will pay for it. Oh, you think businesses shouldn't pay for it?

GUILFOYLE: I want to talk about something else, you guys...

GUTFELD: When progressives look at Wal-Mart they see a giant Rubik's cube that has been solved, and all they want to do is unsolve it. But they have no idea how to put it back together. So they scream wages, wages, wages.

And they also believe in their heart of hearts when they go into a Wal-Mart, if they ever do, they don't believe those are real jobs, because they aren't Greenpeace activists, and they aren't performance artists, and they aren't in the street doing spoken word poetry. No, they're actually working doing real jobs, and they don't understand that.

GUILFOYLE: I've got to tell you something. I don't know why it's so convenient to, like, bash on Wal-Mart. I like Wal-Mart. I mean, the employees there seem pretty happy to me. A lot of the full-time employees there already are making in excess of the suggested minimum wage.

And they provide jobs in a lot of towns and cities where there otherwise would not be meaningful jobs for mothers and fathers and families trying to put meals on the table.

So I think we should applaud companies like that, that are doing well.
That's the American dream, and they're trying to spread the wealth in a good way.

BECKEL: And they're driving -- and they're driving people out of their jobs in small businesses in Main Street, because Wal-Mart opened up in the suburbs.

GUTFELD: The mom-and-pop stores.

GUILFOYLE: Then you're just never going to be satisfied, because I want to see...

BECKEL: I'll be satisfied. Take the Rubik's cube apart. Take it apart and leave it apart.

GUILFOYLE: Government...

GUTFELD: There you go. Thwart the success.

GUILFOYLE: That's the problem.

PERINO: My problem is government should not be involved in setting prices for a private company or wages for them, but I do think, then, if the government is going to push this on companies, and they also have to look at some of their other actions.

For example, the recent EPA regulations announced that will deal with coal-fired power plants and further regulations there, are estimated to increase electricity prices for every American by 70 to 80 percent. So whatever wages you get -- whatever additional money you get in your paycheck, if the minimum wage goes up, will be eaten alive by the government anyway.

BECKEL: Well, you believe there should be a minimum wage I take it, though. Right?

BOLLING: Can I piggyback on Greg's point?


BOLLING: You know what the left has done here? They heard Wal-Mart, and they heard Wal-Mart may be interested in raising the minimum wage.
They were completely wrong. They ran with the story. Bloomberg ran with the story before even checking the facts.

Wal-Mart came out and said, "Unequivocally not have we said we're going to do this. We said we're looking at it. We're going to take both sides and then make a decision." They're neutral on it.

BECKEL: I thought it was a Comedy Central release.

BOLLING: Everybody is so anxious, so anxious to see if they can get Wal-Mart to steer clear of conservative values and go with...

BECKEL: Are conservative values importing toys from China that are hurting kids? Black kids?


PERINO: What about all the people that actually can afford products at Wal-Mart?

GUTFELD: Chinese toys hurting black kids?

BECKEL: They are.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

GUTFELD: You just conflated every liberal dream. Oh, my God, Chinese toys hurting black kids, news at 11.

BECKEL: There's lead. The Chinese send in lead-painted toys.

GUTFELD: And they're hurting black kids.

BOLLING: Get the word "contraceptives" in or "libido."

GUTFELD: Wal-Mart targeting black kids with faulty toys.

BECKEL: ... contraceptives over all of China.

GUILFOYLE: Bob, where do you -- where do you get this stuff? Where does it come from?

BECKEL: Oh, sorry. Sorry, my dear Chinese friends. "One More Thing"
is up next.

You're doing lousy, disgusting things.



PERINO: I never leave the show. I didn't know it was my turn. Did they tell me who is going first?


PERINO: Oh, my gosh, I'm worse than Bob. OK. Bob, you're next.

BECKEL: All right, baby. Let me continue on my "One More Thing" with my Chinese friends, and by the way, if somebody suggests I might want to apologize, forget it.

Now, the Chinese have, of course, made most of the American flags we have in this country, and those of you who like to put out the American flag, check and see if it's made in China. Because if it is, take it down.
Because one thing the military finally did, the military refused to take United States flags made by the Chinese, those flags carried into combat by our soldiers, and they are being made in China? Don't make anything in China! They're a risk to us. Remember this. When I'm long gone you're going to remember, your kids are going to suffer from the Chinese.

GUILFOYLE: Do you want to claim the sickle-cell anemia thing?

GUTFELD: No. Can we move on please?

PERINO: Eric is next.

BOLLING: I was going to give up my time.

PERINO: You're next.

BOLLING: All right. OK. So we don't know what's going on. Eight international bankers have committed suicide since December 23, and no one can figure out. Three JPMorgan, five from others.


GUILFOYLE: It's not funny.

BOLLING: This wasn't supposed to be funny.

GUILFOYLE: You're so badly behaved.

BOLLING: Trying to figure out what's going on.

GUILFOYLE: It's very sad, because they have families, I'm sure, that miss them quite a bit.

BECKEL: It's a big loss.

BOLLING: Dana pointed out someone on Twitter said this is why he watches "The Five" till the very end, because you never know what's going to happen.

GUILFOYLE: What a nightmare.

PERINO: I'm mortified. All right, Greg, you're next.

GUTFELD: All right. Banned phrase.

Go ahead.

This is terrible.

GUILFOYLE: What is wrong with this world?

GUTFELD: "Grandfathered." I've heard this a lot these days. You should only use the word "grandfather" talking about the father of your mother or your dad or mother and dad. Now it's used as a verb, like if somebody -- a smoker who has lived there has been grandfathered into the ban.

PERINO: Wait. I used this word to help you feel better about something the other day.

GUTFELD: Yes, I'm saying "excused" or "exempt" is better than "grandfathered."

GUILFOYLE: Yes, but he's now used it, and it helps him overcome.

PERINO: OK, you're next.

GUILFOYLE: Let's hope, let's pray, maybe the pope can help us in this show, especially Bob. So...

BECKEL: I don't need any help.

GUILFOYLE: The pope was giving -- the pope was giving his morning blessing, and delivering his comments when the wind blew up, covered his face. That little skull cap blew off, and the poor guy -- you knew what?
He kept talking, because he was so great, kind of like when the coffee incident and I kept reading the prompters.

BECKEL: Looks like he's been taken by terrorists.

PERINO: OK. Since I screwed up at the end of the show, I'm going to end with this. RealClearPolitics, great Web site. Sean Trende wrote, "How Likely are Democrats to Lose the Senate?" You're going to have to read it to find out.

Don't forget to set your DVRs so you never miss an episode of "The Five." We'll see you back here tomorrow. I'll be better.

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