How should Trump administration respond to NKorean threat?

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," May 1, 2017. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I am Dana Perino along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Jesse Watters, and Greg Gutfeld. It is 9 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

As the mounting threat from North Korea continues to grow, President Trump is putting forward a new strategy telling Bloomberg News that he would be honored to meet with Kim Jong-Un under the right circumstances. Well, many analysts have criticized Mr. Trump's openness to meeting with North Korea's leader. Then-candidate Barack Obama received a far friendlier reception when asked about a similar idea during the debate in 2007.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Would you be willing to meet separately without pre- condition during the first year of your administration in Washington anywhere else with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea in order to bridge the gap that divides our countries?

FORMER PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: I would. And the reason is this. That the notion that somehow not talking to countries is punishment to them -- which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this administration is ridiculous.


PERINO: And listen to what President Trump said earlier today about the danger our troops face north -- from North Korea.


ERIC BOLLING, FOX NEWS HOST: How safe are our troops along the militarized zone and our allies in South Korea? How safe are they with some of the defense systems that we have provided and what is the status of this?

TRUMP: Nobody is safe. I mean, who is safe? The guy has got nuclear weapons. I would like to say they are very safe. We have 28,000 troops on the line and they are right there. And so, nobody is safe. We are probably not safe over here. If he gets the long-range missiles, we are not safe either.


PERINO: And here, earlier we had General Jack Keane who was commenting on whether he thinks President Trump would actually meet with Kim Jong-Un.


GEN. JACK KEANE (RET.), FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR: I think that's always a possibility with this president. Because he puts huge amounts in his skills sets and his ability to make a deal. They have nuclear weapons to preserve the regime. They have accomplished that. What President Trump is trying to get them to stand down from is advancing the weaponization of ballistic missiles. That is what he is trying to get him to do. Get them comfortable.


KEANE: Look, we are not coming after you. You are going to stay in power there as long as your people are wanting to keep you in power. And I don't know if that relaxes Kim or not, frankly.


PERINO: All right. Greg, so a meeting with the President would be something that might lift him up. Right, Kim? Like maybe it might give him a lot of attention or it could also be a way to scare the Chinese into thinking they need to do more in order to help us so that we don't actually meet with him one on one. What do you think the strategy is here?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: I don't think it's a new strategy for Donald Trump. He turns unpredictability into a pattern. So, he starts with a complement. And this case, smart cookie. Which you don't have to be smart to be a tyrant. As a dictator you can just kill your enemies. It's smart dealing with adversaries in a Republic. But then he will complement you, then he will insult you, then he will complement you. He did this from everybody from Ben Carson to Mitt Romney. He treats his opinion like faces of the moon.

Because he is a salesman. He is a salesman. Everything is up for negotiation, including who you negotiate with. And people will trust you if they trust the negotiator. So, you can say, well, you didn't like him when President Obama went on the apology tour.

PERINO: Right.

GUTFELD: Right? When he appeased around the world.


GUTFELD: But us because we didn't trust him as a negotiator whereas Trump could indulge the same ideas, but you go, I think you can probably wrap Kim around his finger if you wanted to. So you think that maybe by the end of a meeting with Kim, he will be wearing a red hat and saying, lock her up.

PERINO: It's because that's possible. The other thing Kim -- and what's different from 2007 than now is that the situation is different and more dire. And that the weapons, weaponry is advanced, I guess we don't exactly know what the mental state is of Kim Jong-Un but possibly flattery in terms of saying that he would be honored to meet with him might be a way to get them to come to the table?

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Look, obviously he does think that it is in unconventional way that people aren't used to and it's certainly business as usual in DC. The way that he handles things, whether it's negotiating business deals, trade, or other things. Obviously, this would be unprecedented and you don't want to put certainly American president in a position that will be any kind of security throughout or risk especially like you said we really don't know.

Hundred percent, you know, everything about this guy in terms of who we are dealing with in its instability. Nevertheless, I think it's good to at least float it out there to show the world that you are willing to have talks and discuss this. That you are not just someone who is coming in and wants to just drop bombs on people. You are somebody that actually is striving to achieve peace and stability in a geopolitical area that has been really troubled for a long time.

And as it relates to President Obama, at the time in making those statements, you are absolutely right. A lot has changed and really escalated in terms of the level of National Security threats to the United States. And I think that President Obama would be the first person to say that because that is one of the most important things that he has stressed in his meetings with President Trump.

PERINO: The media really did sort of just accept that President Obama, well then a candidate, would be the hope and change that they were looking for. And maybe that was why they didn't criticize him as much. What do you think?

JESSE WATTERS, CO-HOST: Yes. I mean, not only did he say that he was going to meet with the Iranian dealer without any preconditions. He shook I think Hugo Chavez's hand, and he was applauded for that. I think he went and watch the baseball game with Castro in Cuba. So, you know, I don't know if Trump is just getting caught up and, you know, he is president now. And he thinks he can manhandle people but I believe he's an America first president whereas Obama, people thinks he's going to cave to the adversary and so people trust President Trump to negotiate more effectively.

But like you said, there are risks. When you put an American president's prestige on the line and our credibility on the line and you get into a negotiating situation and then it comes out with nothing, then you look bad. And it weakens us. It also emboldens our adversaries. I think it bolsters his credibility at home and internationally. It could be a lot of risk but this could be a Nixon goes to China situation. If anybody is going to do it, it's going to be President Trump.

PERINO: Now, Bob, you have a lot of different experiences on the international stage and when you were at the White House. Was North Korea a factor back then, in the 1800s?

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: That was in 1823. Okay?


PERINO: I know, in the '70s.

BECKEL: Great great grandfather. Let me tell you what, the idea -- he might as well be negotiating with Ronald McDonald. You know, this guy is a tyrant. He is a thug. The idea that the President of the United States would go and sit and talk to this dirty, ugly man who has killed people left and right, as human rights abusers, kills people and put them in gulags. I mean, what are we talking about? He's the president of the United States. I don't like Donald Trump but I would like him a lot less if he did something like that. The last thing I'd say is, it's also is rewarding if this happens, it would be for other countries -- we could get rewarded too.

GUTFELD: I think that has already been happening with Iran.

GUILFOYLE: And we will give you a lot of money.


GUILFOYLE: And you'll cheat on us. And we'll be okay with this.

BECKEL: So, you'd be okay what's going over and giving this guy a stage.

GUTFELD: Absolutely not. You know what I think it's interesting? There's a little bit of hypocrisy going on with the Left. The Left shouldn't love Trump because he is willing to sit-down with anyone. I think because he's a closet dove. I really do think Trump is a closet dove. He doesn't want to use force unless it's a sure win. He's definitely less of a hawk than Hillary would be.

PERINO: Well, and the truth is that, and I took this line from Weekly Standard earlier. I know you know that when I quote --

WATTERS: What about the federalist? They are jealous.

PERINO: I was at the Weekly Standard today. But there's a great line that preemption is easier than post-emption.

WATTERS: I don't know what that means and what weigh over my head but to your point --

GUTFELD: Why would you quote something we don't understand?

WATTERS: I know.

PERINO: Do you understand that?

GUTFELD: I don't get it.

PERINO: Preemption?


PERINO: Right. It's a play on words, Greg. Pre-emption would be getting the weapons rather than trying to deal with it afterwards when he has a weapon.

WATTERS: But speaking of the hypocrisy --

GUILFOYLE: I got it.

WATTERS: -- this is everything that the Left wants.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God!

WATTERS: This is multi-lateral engagement. This is denuclearization. You guys should be praising President Trump for sitting down and talking and using diplomas. This is John Kerry in the White House.

BECKEL: You shouldn't do this wrap of yours and look at me the whole time. No, we are not all for denuclearization. There are probably a lot of people, I'll tell you who are these that are in the White supremacist movement, don't like nuclear --

WATTERS: How did we get into the White supremacists?


WATTERS: Where did you come up with that?

BECKEL: You know why because we are going to do another segment on a bunch of people who are running around and looking like they're terrorists and they are going to be called Democrats. So, I think that --


China is -- they are trying to get China to play a major role in this. Can China do that? I am not so sure. A, they can. But B, they do.

WATTERS: Will they?

BECKEL: Will they? And if you are China and if you are trying expand your geopolitical reach in the Pacific, and already you're talking to Singapore and Thailand and the Philippines. I think -- they probably think it's a pretty good idea for the United States to focus on North Korea and the rest of the places that they can't stay focus on.

GUTFELD: But the other thing that, in the media, we have always struggled with the things that Donald Trump says. And you end up finding yourself Trump explaining or just trying to like, oh, like I don't get it. But he has this rare gift of censoring things that he says like under the right circumstances. Which it essentially negates. It's like, it just make it - -

WATTERS: What would those circumstances be? Don't they spend like years thinking about like where to put the water and like who talks first and who shakes their hand? First, these things take years. They'll never get --

PERINO: A great look on that and we will give Kimberly the last word was Marlin Fitzwater who wrote "Call the Briefing." And it was about all the summits between Reagan and Gorbachev. And they did spend a lot of time thinking about where they would sit and all of that.

GUTFELD: Can you quote something from it?

GUILFOYLE: One thing for sure, Kim Jong-Un is not leaving there. So President Trump would have to go.


GUILFOYLE: But that's what I was saying, they are not going to put an American president --


GUILFOYLE: -- in a security risk situation like that. So, I don't think this is going to happen -- they can face time each other?

GUTFELD: Everybody wants to change the bad boy. You know, it's like, you know, it's like Sharon Osbourne. You know, meeting Ozzie. You know, that's what they are trying to do. You may not be the person that can change the little guy.

PERINO: This is true. All right. Ahead, President Trump chose to spend his 100th day in office with the people. Instead of the press, at the annual White House Correspondents' Dinner this weekend. And it made for some very interesting counter programming. Greg has the highlights from the dueling events. Next.



GUTFELD: Saturday, it was the White House Correspondents' Dinner vs. Donald Trump's rally. It was like King Kong vs. Godzilla.




GUTFELD: I just like that sound. Actually, it was more like Sominex vs. Red Bull.


JEFF MASON, WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENTS' ASSOCIATION: Tonight we must recognize that there are threats to press freedoms here in the United States. We must remain vigilant. The world is watching.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I could not possibly be more thrilled than to be more than 100 miles away from Washington's swamp, spending my evening with all of you and with a much, much larger crowd and much better people. Right?


GUTFELD: What a juxtaposition, tuxedos vs. truckers, people who take selfies vs. people who install shelfies.

Now, the media said there were no winners, meaning they lost. True, Trump's rally wasn't anything new except for one key line:


TRUMP: A large group of Hollywood actors --


And Washington media are consoling each other in a hotel ballroom in our nation's capital right now.


GUTFELD: And then the media proved them right by consoling themselves in a hotel ballroom right now.


MASON: We cannot ignore the rhetoric that has been employed by the president about who we are and what we do. Freedom of the press is a building block of our democracy.


GUTFELD: Oh, the applause.

Afterward, the night's comic Hasan Minhaj mocked Donald Trump for not showing up. But you know he'd mock him if he did show up. You want proof? He ripped Fox News for showing up. But what if we hadn't. Here is him speaking truth the power.


HASAN MINHAJ, COMEDIAN: We have to address the elephant that is not in the room. The leader of our country is not here. And that is because he lives in Moscow. It is a very long flight. As for the other guy I think he is in Pennsylvania because he can't think a joke.

Now, you guys have to be more perfect now, more than ever. Because you are how the president gets his news.

This event is about celebrating the First Amendment and free speech. The man who tweets everything that enters his head refuses to acknowledge the Amendment that allows him to do it. In four hours, Donald Trump will be tweeting about how bad Nicki Minaj bombed at his dinner.


And he will be doing it completely sober.


GUTFELD: Now, mocking President Trump for not showing up is like a hunter complaining there aren't any ducks when you're surrounded by them. You just choose not to shoot those ducks. As Hasan defends freedom of speech against Trump, someone should tell him it's not Trump canceling campus speeches or local parades, it's the regressive left.

So, a comedian calls Trump out for making other plans, when he should train their sights on the true oppressors. Seriously enough about Trump threatening speech, those applause penguins around those dinner tables haven't shut up since Trump won.

So, while you avoid those in your midst who wish to silence all opposition, you rag on President Trump. That sad contradiction might be the biggest joke of the night.

BECKEL: Yes. Greg, with that opening, we are ready to go to the 12:00 turnaround time.

GUTFELD: Really?

BECKEL: Yes. I'm just telling you get them.

GUTFELD: Well, you know, I am sorry, did I take some time out of your response? Go for it, Bob.

BECKEL: No, no. My response?


BECKEL: Well, first of all, my response, I know you were loving that crowd in Pennsylvania. I know that your crowd people want. And look this was just a stage --

GUTFELD: It was brilliant. If you wish you thought of it, Bob!

BECKEL: I don't think it brilliant. I think it was much of anything.

GUTFELD: So, you're having the -- to mock you, you hold a counter event and you take, steal their thunder.

BECKEL: But have they get something done?


PERINO: -- mocked at that event. That is what I don't understand.


PERINO: You said that they rip on President Trump for coming or not coming but the whole dinner is a roast about the President -- whoever the President is. And the President have a chance to respond.

GUTFELD: That is the reason. I think it was brilliant that he said screw it and I'm not going.

PERINO: And then he said I am absolutely going next year. And then he did over the weekend about 14 interviews with all of those reporters.

GUTFELD: So what?

PERINO: Right.

GUTFELD: He didn't give them the chance and here is the deal. That night, we could have covered it but we didn't because it was not exciting, it was boring.

GUILFOYLE: But we did your show instead.

GUTFELD: Exactly. Which was much more exciting.

BECKEL: Well, that was Trump at his typical worst. I want to see, when this guy get something done, something really solidly done, then we will talk about Trump's great strategic stuff.

GUTFELD: All right.

BECKEL: But now he's got to find them.

GUTFELD: Yes. Gorsuch, deregulation, drilling, those things didn't happen in the last couple of weeks. Jesse, I thought the comedian did a pretty good job but I just felt that he should have spoken out more about the real oppression against free speech. That was my only problem.

WATTERS: I mean, I wasn't there. I'm not sure if I was invited this time. But I was on vacation.

GUTFELD: I think you were mentioned.

WATTERS: I don't know. Really?


I read the transcript of some of the jokes. And I thought it was funny on paper. And then I watched the delivery. It wasn't that funny. But you know what? These jokes, they go over everyone's head because, you know, if it's the Republican president, the Democratic president, I don't take too much stock in it. Because they're there to make fun of people. But then to complain that you are a victim in a tuxedo while you're drinking wine and hobnobbing with celebrities, no one takes you seriously. In other countries -- journalists got thrown in jail and these people get thrown parties.

BECKEL: Do you think anybody in the country --

WATTERS: So, there's merely no sympathies to these people. I think people over there take it very seriously.

BECKEL: Well, they may take it seriously but the people in the country don't, fight between and the press, they don't care.

WATTERS: They love one Trump --


WATTERS: No, people wonder when -- he is beating up on the press, that's the most popular thing the President does.

PERINO: What does Kimberly think?

GUILFOYLE: I would love to get in here.

PERINO: What does Kimberly think?

GUTFELD: Kimberly, Kimberly?

GUILFOYLE: Do you want to ask me a question, Greg? Thank you.

GUTFELD: I think that Donald Trump made the White House Correspondents' Dinner better. They had a focus on journalism for once.

GUILFOYLE: Well, they tried too. And might something in particular that Woodward decide and he said, "Polling number show that most Americans disapprove and distrust the media. This is no time for self-satisfaction or smugness." And they seem to have completely just ignored his warning and he's right. Because when you look at the polling numbers, people aren't so thrilled. Yes, of course about Congress. They also are not loving him but they're also not loving the media.

And that's been a big team in the coverage in this past year. And certainly here that we've talked about the mainstream media, so that whole event seem like a fella little flat and people were drawn to the Trump rally because, you know, it was great showmanship. It was Trump at its best, having one of his rallies with people that support him. And so, he took ownership of the situation. I think like Dana said, for him to go next year, I think that would be good. You know, to go to the tradition, he's made his point, he owned the night. And, you know, so for him, I think it was a win. Because he does things on his own term.

BECKEL: Because you are assuming he would be around at this time next year.

WATTERS: What are you insinuating?

BECKEL: What am I insinuating?

GUTFELD: That he would be impeached.

BECKEL: Oh, I don't know. I don't like to be a big fan of certain segments of the show.

WATTERS: Where is he going to be?

BECKEL: Where is he going to be?

WATTERS: He is going to be president, Bob.

BECKEL: Maybe, maybe not.

WATTERS: They have elections every four years.

GUTFELD: It was a great joke. I have to say, I thought he did a pretty good job except for this one blind spot, but when he said that, when he found out President Trump was president it was like walking into panera bread and seeing like your high school teacher working there. Like, what happened? I thought that was a good joke.

PERINO: He did make fun of the media for --

GUTFELD: He make fun of MSNBC.

PERINO: -- in saying that you guys really dropped the ball because you've missed half of America.


GUILFOYLE: Otherwise it's a little bit of a news alert.

WATTERS: Yes. They jumped the shark. Am I allowed to say that?

GUTFELD: I think you are. One of the things you are allowed to say.

PERINO: Re-banded in 2017.

GUTFELD: All right. We must move on.

Up next, more climate change hysteria from Hollywood and others on the left. Leo DiCaprio among those marching in the streets over the weekend to try to convince the world the planet is in great peril. When THE FIVE returns.


GUILFOYLE: Here is some breaking news. Some liberals are really upset about climate change. On Saturday, tens of thousands took the streets in Washington, D.C. as part of the people's climate march. Al Gore and Leonardo DiCaprio were there to protests President Trump's environmental policies. And in related news, some scientists have canceled their subscriptions to "The New York Times," my goodness, of all papers. Why? Its new conservative columnist Bret Stephens wrote an article challenging the certainty of the data on global warming. This cancellations coming despite the fact that Stephens says, he believes that man has contributed to rising temperatures throughout the years. Greg, your favorite subject.

GUTFELD: You know, nobody likes your assumptions challenged even in their comfy sweater. Whether it's at certain networks or certain newspapers. But there is a difference here. You know, he is not a skeptic. He is what you call a lukewarmer. Meaning that he believes that the planet is warming, but he questions the climate predictions and the climate models which are dramatically often wrong.

So, he is saying it's getting warmer and it's something we should keep a careful eye on, and that it's not extreme on any side yet they throw him out because they demand lockstep. They cannot tolerate even a mildly different opinion. At least at FOX News, we have liberals here. The viewers can get angry at Bob but they also love Bob.


WATTERS: They do?

GUTFELD: Yes. They do.

WATTERS: Really?

GUTFELD: I re-tweet her, they love Bob. But my point is, on most of our shows, we have different opinions and as angry as our viewers get maybe over certain opinions, they still come back because they know that we are humans. I guess.

GUILFOYLE: And there's a nice pick.

GUTFELD: Or some of us are.

GUILFOYLE: Dana, so what did you make of this -- this outrage from the Left?

PERINO: Well, I have been a reader of Bret Stephens for many years and he had been worked at "The Wall Street Journal." This was his first column at "The New York Times."


PERINO: And he really knows how to make an entrance. I mean, after your first column, you have everyone calling out saying, we want to cancel our subscriptions because you've challenged our safe space on climate, that is quite the feat. He also questions the solutions.


PERINO: So, if you are a lukewarmer but you could say, okay, I guess it's happening but should we spend a trillion dollars a year --


PERINO: -- and not get any results from it? That apparently is off-limits for safe space.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, THE FIVE HOST, FOX NEWS: Imagine someone say you're a lukewarmer. It doesn't sound great.


GUILFOYLE: Appealing. OK, guys.

WATTERS: The, you know, the left says they love diversity but not diversity of opinions. They left says they love tolerance but they don't tolerate conservatives. And what we're seeing now is when anybody challenges the left instead of arguing about ideas, they riot or they shut everything down.

They try to shut down Fox News. They riot on the streets of Berkeley. Remember those Democrats in Wisconsin? They ran across state lines so they didn't have to vote for the budget. So, I think you're seeing a bunch of crybabies and whiners and they're treating conservatives like a virus. Don't even want to be exposed to --

GUILFOYLE: I know, like it's Ebola.

WATTERS: -- that they might catch something, right.

BOB BECKEL, THE FIVE HOST, FOX NEWS: You know I have the same feeling, I sit next to you all the time.


WATTERS: It's contagious.

BECKEL: No, but let me tell you, James Bennet, who's the editorial -- the editor of "The New York Times" is a friend of mine. We've been friends for a long time and he was the head of the "Atlantic" and went over to "New York Times." And I think what he's decided is that there does have to be more of this sort of middle debate about facts.

Bennet is not, believe or not, he's not a diehard (ph) liberal. He's a guy who believes very strongly in facts and I think what he's doing here is saying this guy has got something to say. A lot of people agree with him. In fact, Jesse, majority of the American people would say, you know, I don't know all the facts.

He says himself that man is responsible for some of this warming but beyond that, what can you say? I don't agree with that. I don't know what the reason or the answer is.

PERINO: The executive editor of the "New York Times" is Dean Baquet and he said, "Didn't we learn from this past election that our goal should be to understand different views?" which is one of the reasons they brought him onto the opinion side of "The New York Times."

GUILFOYLE: Yes and now he is there and he's made quite a splash, a lukewarm splash. But you know what's interesting is, Leo DiCaprio, at least give him credits. He did show up. He met with President Trump during the transition time as he get the behest of Jared and Ivanka, and he sat down with the president and discussed the issues, much like Al Gore did.

So, I think that's very positive in terms of being willing to at least engage the dialogue where you do not see that enthusiasm or open mindedness coming usually, you know, typically from the left. They don't like it, they don't agree with it. They don't want to hear it.

GUTFELD: I question -- they want our money. I mean, you're talking about a trillion dollars a year over a century. So it's $100 trillion. You know what you could do with $100 trillion? You could cure starvation.


GUTFELD: You could cure so many diseases. You could end terrorism with a fraction of $100 trillion.

GUILFOYLE: And poverty.

GUTFELD: And what Leo DiCaprio wants to do and his apostles is use that money based on faulty climate models and predictions that may increase the temperature a slight degree which may in fact be beneficial. So it's insane.

BECKEL: You're going to know everything warmer out here on both sides, but at some point were going to reach a critical mass and you're going to alright, the balance here says this.


BECKEL: And this is the amount of money necessary to deal with that. It doesn't have to be $100 trillion. It will never sit on $1 trillion unless - -

GUILFOYLE: But you would agree that there are other areas of more pressing immediate concern.

BECKEL: Oh sure, yes. Of course.

GUILFOYLE: Poverty, children starving.

GUTFELD: Clean water. Clean fuel.

BECKEL: Clean water with Donald Trump as president? I mean I think there are a lot of things that need to be dealt with.

GUILFOYLE: Well up next, far left protesters going wild around the world on May Day. We'll tell you what they're demanding and if it will spread here to the U.S.A when "The Five" comes right back.


WATTERS: Today is May 1st, the day every president since Dwight Eisenhower has proclaimed as Loyalty Day. It's more commonly known as May Day, when the left mobilizes to rally for workers rights. Hundreds of thousands of demonstrators took to the streets earlier to rally against President Trumps policies in cities like New York, Chicago and L.A. The press says we're mostly tame here. But overseas, things got out of control.





WATTERS: So, Kimberly, I believe that if these protests come to this side of the ocean, I think it's going to help President Trump because the more people see this type of out-of-control behavior, the more it hurts Democrats. Do you agree?

GUILFOYLE: I do agree because we have the proof and evidence of the last American election for president that we just experienced. I mean you saw people acting out of control and committing acts of violence, totally lawless, disrespecting public property, disrespecting small businesses and looting. It's awful. Nobody wants to see that, you know, and throwing fire at the police and this type of thing.

It's completely -- not only just uncivilized, it's illegal behavior and I think it just strengthens the president's position and I think it served him well in terms of the electorate last time around.

WATTERS: It plays into the law and order candidate. Now Greg, how much of these people do you think have legitimate policy beefs about policy and about wages and how much of it is just people want to burn stuff?

GUTFELD: I think they're the same old voices and the same faces that you see in other movements of time pass. It's essentially become a celebration of failure, saluting movements and beliefs that our histories losing propositions. So I mean, if you want to remember May Day, just look at Venezuela which is people are dying due to fake revolutions of socialism and communism that people have been romanticizing for decades.

May Day is short for may I ruin your day? You have people shouting at you while you're trying to get to work to feed your kids. I mean who takes a personal day off for this? No, you go with your kids. You don't do this. So clearly they don't have jobs. Maybe they should be protesting. They don't have jobs.

WATTERS: That's true. I mean --

PERINO: I think that's why they are.

GUTFELD: I'm not sure all of them are.

GUILFOYLE: Maybe they (INAUDIBLE) fly.


PERINO: I mean, I don't know about these two in -- these two countries in particular but I don't think that these types of riots are likely to happen here for a couple of reasons. One, like in Paris, the youth unemployment rate in Paris is atrocious. They also have a huge immigration problem. They have a lot of violence so there's that part of it and they have a very activist left that is organized -- much more organized I think than ours because you even had one almost, well, make the cut off for the runoff in France.

Then in Turkey, they are separating from a major political crisis with a president who has turned into a dictator, Erdogan, who just won a non- credible election. Basically, their freedoms are being stripped away. He is punishing girls and jailing journalists. They have much more severe problems in countries like that. I don't think that President Trump has to worry that that's coming anytime soon.

GUILFOYLE: And Le Pen may get in.

WATTERS: Why can't you guys behave yourselves?

BECKEL: You know I just got -- I had a feeling that you were going to -- I could have gotten that question.

GUILFOYLE: Liberals just want to have fun.

BECKEL: We love that. That was worse actually. We have (INAUDIBLE). Did you notice that what you wanted to happen, that's real, those protests, these producers can't find anything like that so let's go back to 2014, 2010 --

WATTERS: That was May Day!

BECKEL: If you tell us --

WATTERS: That was May Day.



BECKEL: I bet that's not from today.

WATTERS: Yes it is.


GUTFELD: That is a huge thing.

GUILFOYLE: It's from today.

PERINO: We were joking in the commercial break.

BECKEL: Wait a second, wait a second.

GUILFOYLE: Come on Bob.

BECKEL: And it's starting to riot, I think that's an important thing because it was starting to riot. So somebody has a big crowd in a room and he says OK, throw them out and if you get a bill from the police, I'll pay for your lawyers. You know that words? That was Donald Trump to tell you right.

WATTERS: Yes, that was the president but I think Soros is inciting these riots because he's paying for all the stuff.

BECKEL: Now if this happened today, do you have evidence that that's true?

WATTERS: You know, you guys were very interested in the Koch brothers after every single Tea Party, but then when the left runs wild, Soros is never to be found.

PERINO: Are you saying this is fake news, Bob?

WATTERS: Come on, you're accusing your own show of fake news.

GUTFELD: You know, the other thing too though is Hollywood right now, a number of shows that portrayed dystopian future and one of them is "The Handmaid's Tale."

BECEL: What does dystopian mean?

GUTFELD: The opposite of utopian -- a bad future. There is a couple of shows out right now that are in some ways trying to be related to Trump like this could happen here, "The Handmaid's Tale" and Marvel's "S.H.I.E.L.D." show. But the real dystopia is happening now in certain countries that we can just turn on the TV. Venezuela is the actual dystopia. But rather than look at that and look at the reality of the socialist hell, they look at America and they go, oh my god, everything -- nothing is happening.

WATTERS: You know what is going to be happening in the commercial? Bob is going to be apologizing to the producers.

BECKLE: I'm not.

WATTERS: Up ahead. The left (INAUDIBLE) the miracle in 2020 to find a candidate who could possibly go up against President Trump. Could Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg be their answer? We'll tell you what the billionaire is up to, next.


BECKEL: Nope, no apologies. Mark Zuckerberg started Facebook, now the 33- year-old billionaire has many wondering if he's going to be launching something even bigger? A run for the presidency. Over the weekend, Zukerberg visited four states in the west won by President Trump and even had dinner with a family of Democrats in Ohio who switched sides to vote for Mr. Trump.


DANIEL MOORE, OHIO DEMOCRAT: He said I work for a very wealthy philanthropist from California and 90 percent of Americans use his product.

The more he talked the more I liked him and the more I was inspired by him.


BECKEL: We will see how inspired you are in four years. Jesse, let me ask you a question. One of the things that the producer, of course (INAUDIBLE) is terribly biased as --


BECKEL: -- the Democrats have a terrible time. They're looking for a candidate for president and this is how it went (ph).

GUILFOYLE: So who did they ask?

BECKEL: Anybody who wins.



BECKEL: No, no, I could name you five, Bennett if Colorado, Tester of Montana if he wins. There are a lot of -- all you have to do is win. Whoever wins -- whoever wins --

WATTERS: You're going to grab (ph) someone from Montana?

BECKEL: Yes. Whoever wins the (INAUDIBLE) look, you liked Donald Trump. That's the biggest joke of all.


WATTERS: Sorry Bob, he's your president now.

BECKEL: I tell you --

WATTERS: What's the question?


BECKEL: The question is do you really think that Trump is unbeatable in 2020? You really believe that?

WATTERS: No, no, listen, anybody is beatable. I don't think Zuckerberg is the man to do it. It's a lot harder to get votes in November than likes on Facebook. The guy doesn't have a personality. He is brilliant and he's a billionaire and I think everyone is jealous now of these billionaires like Cuban.

If Trump can do it anybody can do it. And Zuckerberg is out there testing the waters. Look, the guy -- I don't even know what his voice sounds like. I've never heard a sound bite that, you know, ever resonated with anybody. I just see him shaking hands with the pope.


GUILFOYLE: Listen, he's in a unique position to take advantage of his platform because they have a tremendous amount of information about whether you're liberal or whether you're moderate. All your personal information, what you like, what you dislike, and it could all be put into voting algorithms.

BECKEL: That's a very good point. The more that they learn about voters and the more you can target what voters think about, it's amazing.

GUILFOYLE: Well he has that advantage.


BECKEL: Let me cut off the Zuckerberg discussion by saying he won't be old enough to run for president. You got to be 35 to run for president and you won't make it.

PERINO: I don't think he wants to run for president and he said so.

BECKEL: And now who do you think -- you don't think Democrats have anybody that could run?

PERINO: No, I didn't say that. I think that -- yes, you even saw Joe Biden this past weekend gave a speech in New Hampshire in front of the Democrats and he had people shouting, "Run, Joe, Run." And Elizabeth Warren is out with a book. She's going to give it the old college try (ph)

And then, who's my guy? Al Franken. He has a book coming out the end of this month. They're all trying. I don't think they're going to beat him.

WATTERS: A Franken-Warren ticket would be the best ticket ever.

BECKEL: That's what I used to say about Trump and who is that guy from Texas?



GUILFOYLE: My man Teddy Cruz. Remember that?

BECKEL: My man, Teddy Cruz.

GUTFELD: I think that they got to just do what they planned on doing. Nominate Oprah, she wins. No, I'm not kidding. It's just like just skip it all, get to the point. Put Oprah up there. She wins. You don't even hold the election. It's over.

You know what's interesting about Zuckerberg? That he treats the Midwest like he's an astronaut landing and an alien -- and he alien will -- look at these strange people in a diner. What is this thing you called milk come from? Is it come from a four-legged creature? I think I saw one out there? And it also speaks to, you're a 32-year-old billionaire in Silicon Valley. You have everything but you know you're going to die.

So the thing is you're trying to figure out what else can I do. I have to do something bigger. So they're all consumed by living forever. They're trying to figure out ways to live forever or to attain and get more power. And Jesse is right. He's not a very social person.

Ironically, Facebook began as an anti-social pool. It was a reaction again -- he was his own anger about social status?

GUILFOYLE: Have you seen that press today though about caught in Australia targeting like a at-risk teenagers with a confidential document and showing how you can rely and monitor their sentiments to be able to see if they're nervous or stressed et cetera. I mean advertisers can use that information. He can do the same thing to voters.


BECKEL: Greg, your point about what you do if you're a billionaire and near the end --


GUTFELD: Sounds familiar?

BECKEL: Sounds familiar to me, yes it does. "One More Thing" is up next.


PERINO: It's time now for "One More Thing." Bob.

BECKEL: OK, well, President Trump got his favorite president and that president in history is Andrew Jackson. And what President Trump relates to Jackson because they both -- he goes on like people (INAUDIBLE).

GUILFOYLE: Oh my gosh.

BECKEL: Here's what he said. He said, "Andrew Jackson has been around (ph) doing his deal, there never would have been a civil war. The problem of course is that Mr. Trump said it was 16 years before that that he died. I also like to say hello to my daughter who is here, just got back from Europe from a semester away. I'm glad to have her back.

PERINO: Hi McKenzie.

BECKEL: And that's -- her name is McKenzie.

GUILFOYLE: And she is super cute and sweet.

PERINO: She seems so cute.

GUTFELD: You know she doesn't look at all like you.

BECKEL: You saw that already.

PERINO: We just said she's so cute.

GUILFOYLE: Gorgeous.

PERINO: Alright, Kimberly, you're next.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, thank you so much Dana. It's time for, yes indeed.

GUTFELD: You sang it.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, I'm available President Trump to go to England with you as the official, well, correspondent. OK, so the duke and duchess are delighted to share this new photograph of Princess Charlotte to mark her second birthday tomorrow. Isn't she just cute as a button? She looks like our little Dana Perino.

It was taken by the duchess herself with the family's country home in Norfolk, England and shows the toddler wearing a yellow sweater featuring spring lambs. It's just so cute. Kensington Palace said William and Kate were very pleased to show this photograph as they celebrate Princess Charlotte's second birthday.

PERINO: She is super cute. I like how they call it a country home.

GUILFOYLE: I just love it, right.

GUTFELD: Oh, like you don't have one?


PERINO: Getting it in the country.


PERINO: OK, me and Bernie Sanders. All right, last September, approximately 75 sixth-graders from ___ middle school in Pittsburgh suburb called Cranberry Township watched a six-hour live stream webinar that featured a whole bunch of information about Flight 93 National Memorial. And they were so inspired by the story that they decided that they wanted to do something and they decided to do a bunch of fundraisers like wear your pajamas to school day, wear a crazy hat to school, mustache Monday.

They raised over -- let's say they raised $1,003 and had the pleasure of attending the memorial today presenting the check to the park to assist with the Tower of Voices and to help with reforestation and planting trees that were lost in that horrible terrorist attack. They had a great day touring the memorial and had the pleasure of speaking with Debra Borza, her daughter, Deora Frances Bodley was a passenger on Flight 93, the youngest passenger. And so she was able to share her memories with them. So congratulations to those students. You really inspired us. Greg.

GUTFELD: Probably one of the most important memorials in the United States.

PERINO: Absolutely.

GUTFELD: I believe.

PERINO: I agree. And if you are planning your summer vacation, you have to make a plan and go there.

GUTFELD: Definitely.


GUTFELD: All right -- I hate these people!

GUILFOYLE: Positive.

GUTFELD: Well, I'm sorry, you know. I can't believe I just discovered this but why do they serve appetizers in odd numbers? This is driving me crazy.

GUILFOYLE: By the way, great point.

GUTFELD: No, I mean, if you -- most people eat, unless you're me, they eat with two people and they bring three, a serving of three with two people.

PERINO: So you'll order two.

GUTFELD: Yes, so you got to like, if you see two people --

GUILFOYLE: That's what it is.

GUTFELD: -- appetizers should be four. If there were three people, appetizers should be six. If you are alone like me, it doesn't matter because it's just me. But why the odd numbers with the appetizers? It makes no sense at all. You've got to stop it.


GUILFOYLE: And then it's awkward because there is --


GUTFELD: -- because you're at the end and you don't want to be a jerk and take the last one!

PERINO: That's right.


GUILFOYLE: And then it gets cold sitting there while everybody -- It's Jesse's turn.

BECKEL: We got to get Jesse his side.

PERINO: Oh, Bob's looking out for you Jesse. It's your turn.

WATTERS: Time now for -- I don't have a graphic yet?


WATTERS: Anyway, I went on vacation. This is a real vacation.



WATTERS: The pictures will prove it. Dancing with dolphins and then we moved on to kissing and I had a great time down there with the family. At a diner of all places.


PERINO: Welcome back, Jesse. Never miss an episode of "The Five." Don't forget to set your DVR. "Hannity" is up next.

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