Hollywood stars ignite firestorm over 'American Sniper'

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," January 19, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Bolling along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld, it's 5 o'clock in New York City, this is "The Five."

Every so often a movie captures the hell our brave men and women have to endure to keep this country safe and free. American Sniper is a real life account of Chris Kyle, America's deadliest sniper. But beyond the kills, the audience gets a feel for what war is really like, the fear, the anger, the doubt and the conviction that surround our military when they are fighting.


UNIDENTIFED MALE: So you are not worried about what might happen?

BRADLEY COOPER, ACTOR: Don't pick it up. Drop it.


BOLLING: "American Sniper" broke records this weekend, took in a whopping $105.3 million. America liked it, but not everyone. The (inaudible) was out with a vengeance. First off, Liberal Film Maker Michael Moore who tweeted this, "My uncle killed by sniper in World War II, we were taught snipers were cowards, will shoot you in the back. Snipers aren't heroes and invaders are worse." And Seth Rogen, the guys who gets paid millions to star in crappy movies tweeted this, "American Sniper kind of reminds me of a movie -- of the movie that showing -- in the third act of Inglourious Basterds." Seth Rogen and Michael Moore, you're an embarrassment. Yes, we know you have a right to tweet repulses stuff like that, but why is it so hard for you to realize that you retain that right, thanks to men like Chris Kyle. We're bring around Greg, were you surprised to see Rogen and Moore so quickly taking a shot at American Sniper?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Seth Rogen did not see the film. That's, that's, that's the easiest explanation for this, because if you see the movie it is not a knee jerk flag waving...


GUTFELD: Propaganda film. It shows that war is hell and it's a mess. And it's incredibly nuance and subtle. More subtle and nuance in anything Seth Rogen could ever come up with. He should -- he should stick with dope jokes or he should go see the movie first. But did -- it is brings me out point which you kind of brought up. You know, Seth Rogen's primary expertise is weed. And so while he smoked his way through the last decade, there were people like Chris Kyle that were defending his freedom to smoke all that weed, which is fine because Chris Kyle did that for me. He defended my right to act like an idiot for 20 years. But at least I see the difference. Seth Rogen does not see the difference. I see the difference that these people allow me to be a dope -- but he doesn't. He need Seth, needs to re- establish that connection that these people are there. The other one point I want to make, which I find hilarious. Hollywood is worked up about the celebration this -- this lurid celebration of violence? How come that never comes up when they do movies on serial killers? Or they do movies on -- bank heists? What about Hostel? What about Hannibal or Reservoir Dogs or Pulp Fiction. Because that kind of violence is cool, it's edgy.


GUTFELD: But the -- the American military exercising their prowess against themes. Suddenly, that's -- you know, that's war mongering. What phony little cowards they are. They're hypocrites. Rogen couldn't hold Clint Eastwood's jockstrap.

BOLLING: That's true. Let's talk about Michael Moore for a second.

GUILFOYLE: What a visual, OK.

BOLLING: Kimberly, Mike Moore tweeted that and then he started to walk it back this afternoon. He said, "Oh, I never mentioned Chris Kyle or American Sniper." Well, he tweeted what he said on the very day or the day after the American Sniper was released -- to $105 million worth of --


BOLLING: Box of (ph)

GUILFOYLE: Of course, he was making it in direct reference to that. But this is a guy that -- you know, recklessly shoots from the hip, every time he runs his mouth. He's an ignorant individual. It will probably only help to serve more people wanna go and see the film, so once again, good job. This kind of reminds me in a way -- not that I want to compare the two films per se. But the Hollywood reactions like the Passion of the Christ, people were so surprised will made that people would show out in droves, in large numbers to be able to support a biblical film. But nevertheless, it was compelling story telling and people what for. If anybody bothers to watch this film, they'll understand that this shows the complexities of war. That it is not clean, that is it not easy, that there are constant choices you must make and a split second decision that could affect how you think about your morality and your ethics and your integrity for the rest of your life. But so much is on the line, I mean, that is why it's a compelling film.

BOLLING: You two both point something out. Dana, they both went out their complexities or -- or if he had seen the film -- they have seen the film, they would know him. Watching that film, you see Bradley Cooper not even utter words. You can see on his face -- the confusion, the questioning the -- it's amazing what they put on film, what Clint Eastwood is put on film. What's with the left just calling it a war film or a killing film off the top without even really -- maybe watching it?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Well, I haven't had a chance to see it either. So, I can't answer your question of why they do that. Probably I think, because it gets the reaction that is getting? You know, they -- they want to try to provoke? And so Michael Moore is the best at that. I'm -- in the more he wants to do it, the more we can point to the left being the spokesperson, being Michael Moore, right? Even though Bob might wrestle (ph) with that, but you know -- that why is -- why do liberals have a problem with the military? This is one of those reasons. What I've seen from the trailers and also I saw a really great interview that Gretchen Carlson did with Mrs. Kyle, the widow. And she talk -- in her character shows what happen at home while they're worried and frightened and especially if you know your husband is in so much danger all the time, that anxiety that you have to live with. So hundreds of thousands of women across America actually -- and men, because our women serving that are married as well, that they live with that constant anxiety. I do think that the most cowardly thing that -- of this whole episode was Michael Moore suggesting, that he wasn't necessarily referring to the film when obviously it was. And this just confirms my theory that Twitter has the potential to bring out everyone's worst characteristics, and that is certainly true for Michael Moore.

GUTFELD: What's true of you?

BOLLING: So, Bob, we have a list. I mean, we're through a couple more of these things, but we have a list, we have Michael Moore, who is obviously a lefty. Seth Rogen a liberal. Max Blumenthal, journalist in U.S. It goes on and on, but -- the one common theme of the people who are calling shots at that film -- calling that film out, having a problem with the film, all from the left.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Well is that so, that's a blanket indictment to the left, right?

BOLLING: No, no.

BECKEL: You take --

BOLLING: But it's a -- it's a common thread of all the people --

BECKEL: No it's not. Listen, listen.

BOLLING: Calling out the film.

BECKEL: I have not seen the film either, but on my inclination -- anybody is it is a sniper in a situation like that, takes a very tough job and has to do it. And I don't know many people, unless you got a room full of liberals and you say, you think you are against snipers, the answer would be no. The other thing that Moore said was, "I did this -- but one of the reasons I am sorry, but this is my father, my grandfather was killed by a sniper" right? And so, did that made him mad? I don't so -- what really eggs me on about this -- eggs me on, I don't know where that came from -- is that why do we take certain people like this and make them the spokesperson for the left. Michael Moore is not a spokesperson for the left, he is at - that is supposed to trial, we are on a trouble.

BOLLING: You keep saying it. That every time a lefty says something stupid, or every time someone on the left are liberally academic --

BECKEL: Well, all right. You went through it.

BOLLING: Academic says something. You say why you can arrest something?

BOLLING: You say, why can we indict all the left --

BECKEL: Why call (ph) somebody?

BOLLING: Because it happens to -- commonly from the left. All right, let's move on.

PERINO: Can I say one thing about it though?

BOLLING: Yeah, go.

PERINO: The best revenge is actually -- in the details or in the end, right? So, the movie had record number of people go to see it this weekend, $105 million earned. Seth Rogen's movie lost $30 million and even after all the Rogen-Moore (ph) that they went through -- they were gonna show it, they were not. Finally, they do it on demand and it got panned.



PERINO: Across the board.

BOLLING: Well then, maybe a lot of people are saying, maybe that's part of the problem.

BECKEL: Maybe, let's put it right on. You don't like to sit and talk about this do you?

BOLLING: What --

BECKEL: You like to take this sort of file because -- and make them into the entire (inaudible)

BOLLING: No, no. I don't have a film critic. (ph) I'm come re-reading Seth Rogen and Michael Moore's tweets, and that's Blumenthal's commentary. I'm just reading what they are saying Bob, I'm not indicting the left.

BECKEL: But -- but still --

BOLLING: I'm calling what they are. BECKEL: Let's calling what the (inaudible) the conservative that said something wrong.

BOLLING: Well finally, we gladly do.

BECKEL: Finally.

GUTFELD: That's MSNBC's constant lineup.


GUTFELD: And The Daily Show and the Kober. (ph)

BOLLING: Anyway.

GUTFELD: Kober (ph) show called?

GUILFOYLE: Kober (ph) show

BOLLING: Let's move on this, because Kyle is sadly not here to defend himself against his accusations. But those who actually live the sniper's life do, probably, stand up for him. Listen here to Sergeant Nicholas Irving, a former army ranger sniper responding to Michael Moore's idiotic tweets.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) SGT. NICHOLAS IRVING, SPECIAL OPS SNIPER, THE REAPER AUTHOR: Michael Moore, he wasn't there in Afghanistan and last time I checked he's never shot anybody with a scoped -- a scoped rifle. So I don't really -- I don't think he deserves the breath that comes out of me right now for that statement.

I don't really care what he gives me. Thank you or not, a lot of good guys and a lot of my friends died to -- you know, for his right to -- I guess freedom of speech. So, I'm not really worried about what he has to say.

(END VIDEO CLIP) BOLLING: That's on K.G. There --

GUILFOYLE: I like him.

BOLLING: There's an actual sniper's pushing back on -- can I throw this in here very quickly, friend of mine Lance Corporal Dustin Pennycuff, B company, 2nd Assault Amphibian Battalion says, My first -- my message to Rogen and Moore, you're welcome -- you're welcome for the right to bash whomever you want but the problem is, people listen to these guys.

GUILFOYLE; Well, they listen to him but I think they just expose their own ignorance and they stand there naked in front of us just blowing off in things that don't make any sense. I think it makes it stronger. To make the film stronger and make the fact that we have freedom of speech stronger so, you can talk about it, you can discuss it, you make your own decisions, you see the film and then you decide.

BOLLING: Dana, your point is well taken. A lot of people on Twitter said, you know what, I wasn't -- really, I want to see the film but now I'm absolutely making sure I'm gonna see the film in light of Moore's and Rogen's comments.

PERINO: It almost drove me to the theater, but I'm gonna get a chance to watch it.

BECKEL: Does Twitter -- does Twitter really -- I mean, what is that --

BOLLING: Does it matters?

BECKEL: Given a chance a ridiculous outlet, I mean --

PERINO: It's just a new vehicle for --

GUTFELD: It's basic -- it's our modern equivalent of a bathroom wall.


GUTFELD: That's all it is. So get -- you get the worst of everybody and, and also you get the immediate --

PERINO: And some phone numbers.

GUTFELD: Yeah, you get the immediate sense of thoughts. So they didn't see a movie but you watched the previews and that's we thought. The movie -- what it does is for a lot of people -- you look at this very simple truths and these values whether right or wrong or patriotism or even good manners and politeness which is, the character -- Chris Kyle is constantly saying, yes, sir. Yes, ma'am. A lot of these things are taken as simpleton. That's a simpleton. And in Hollywood, they think that people who are patriotic who believe in right and wrong are often comical, that are punch lines. And so this -- when they see this movie it is more of a proxy of an entire population of people that they look down upon, that this is not their people, which movie begins with them -- you know, ride -- in a rodeo. That's to them is like mars. Like, who do this sort of thing? The only person who understands that is Clint Eastwood.

BECKEL: But --

GUTFELD: Because he's been there.

BECKEL: By the way, those bathroom wall things with the numbers on it, the numbers are not real numbers.



GUTFELD: Don't look in the hole, Bob.

BOLLING: One more thing --

GUILFOYLE: Ewww. (ph)

BOLLING: Each people who are -- who are trashing this, be waited until the end, watch the last, maybe five or seven minutes of the film. You see what Chris Kyle did after --


BOLLING: He returned from the war for wounded warriors. And maybe we have a little bit of a different impression, maybe not take the shots. Finally, since we haven't heard from the man himself, take a listen to American Sniper Chris Kyle in his own words telling Bill O'Reilly, three years ago why he was willing to take all of the shots.


BILL O'REILLY, "THE O'REILLY FACTOR" HOST: So you were committed to killing these people, because you in your heart believed they deserved to die.

CHRIS KYLE, AUTHOR OF "AMERICAN SNIPER": I wasn't so much committed to killing them, as I was -- I'm committed to making sure every service member that was over there whether American or allied came home.

O'REILLY: But as a sniper, your job is to kill them, not wound them, not arrest them, you have to have a certain mentality to be a sniper. You're killing them.

KYLE: I am killing them to protect my fellow Americans.

O'REILLY: Do you ever -- now, looking back have any regrets at all about anything that you did?

KYLE: Yes, I do. As to people I couldn't save.


BOLLING: And that was a --


BOLLING: Film. So --

GUTFELD: And you know, this -- to me reflects the relativism of people on, on the left in the sense that like Max Blumenthal -- I think that's his name, son of --

PERINO: Sidney.

GUTFELD: Sidney Blumenthal -- wonderful family. That a serial killer is no different than a patriot serving the country, that this guy is no different than a guy take -- shooting people in America from the back of a car. And, and in fact -- perhaps, this patriot is worst, because he is doing it for a country. And this is a -- this a modern -- outgrowth of -- the campus, that there is no difference between right and wrong when there is a gun involved.

BECKEL: Well, but Bill O'Reilly what can because he says somebody who is a conservative, right?


BECKEL: There were series of questions, I thought were abysmal. Asking a guy, you can't push him in a wall that, aren't you this is bad what you did and (inaudible) he is a conservative --

BOLLING: No but --

GUTFELD: Now you could be on O'Reilly show and defend yourself.

BOLLING: Chris Kyle to say exactly what everyone was asking. Are you concerned about the 160 kills that you pulled the trigger? And you know what? --

BECKEL: He keep coming back to and back to, and back to --

BOLLING: Quick thoughts before we go?

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, I mean, look. I love his answer. Dana, I thought you said the same thing. He said he regrets that he couldn't save more lives. And that is the common theme throughout the film that this gosh, I wish I can go back out even though he was struggling and his family was being sacrificed in the in tram. (ph) He went back and he went back to try and save more people that were serving.

BOLLING: Or tourist (ph) guy.

PERINO: Well, and if Michael Moore can't support Chris Kyle what he did in terms of supporting and defending and saving American lives, he should think about all of the Muslim lives, the Iraqi lives that were saved because of his actions.

BOLLING: I will leave it on that note. The Five state in the preview, is next, and Bret Baier is gonna join us as President Obama prepares to face a GOP controlled Congress for the first time in his presidency. Stick around.


PERINO: President Obama will deliver his annual State of the Union Address and he's got some work cut out for himself. According to a new poll, 40 percent of American describes the country as divided, as of 3 percent from last year. And the divisions are expected to widen after the president announces a plan to raise $320 billion in new taxes on the rich. And does the White House really think this is the best way to grow the economy or they're just looking for a fight. Senior Adviser Den Pfeiffer was asked that question this weekend.


BOB SCHIEFFER, FACE THE NATION HOST: Are you laying this out because you think you have a chance to get it. May I ask, are you just want to draw the contrast between Republicans and Democrats and think the Republicans is being the party of the rich.

DAN PFEIFFER, WHITE HOUSE SENIOR ADVISER: I think it divided the government. Each side should lay their agenda. What they think is the best interest of the country. And then, we can figure out if there are things in the middle we agree on. We look forward to Republicans laying out their agenda.


PERINO: Chief Political Anchor Bret Baier is anchoring tomorrow's night coverage. He joins us now -- I'm gonna take it off, Bret and I gonna set it around the table. So, it might not be surprising President Obama is calling for new taxes. But what he is asking for is for a bipartisan Congress to -- and now with more Republicans to reverse the bipartisan tax cut deal he had been signed just two years ago. How do they think that's gonna work?

BRET BAIER, CHIEF POLITICAL ANCHOR: It's not. It has -- it's just has no chance to get through this Congress. Republicans on the Senate and the House are talking about it. You had statements out from Boehner and from McConnell today saying, it would be reversing a tax cut that he signed into law and Republicans say we are not just one tax increase away from more prosperity. So, you'll gonna hear a lot of this over the next -- over the day.

BOLLING: Hey Bret. So, I'm sure we will hear a lot about how great the job creation's been and the price of gasoline is going down, but the fact remains that wages have been flat for a very long time, it continue to be flat. Will he address it? Do you think he's gonna addressed it? And if he does, will he -- I mean, how does he's -- how does he fix that part of the problem? It's really the one piece of the puzzle, because middle class wages are flat. That's one that's missing.

BAIER: Now you're right, Eric. And definitely wage stagnation is part of the big issue here and their solution is to provide triple the child tax credit, to provide $500 for each duel earning household with two jobs. Essentially, both spouses work and to do that on the backs of capital gains increases. So, it's, it's really going to be interesting to see how it plays out. It's definitely a populous message, but it's not one that does gonna far legislatively.

BECKEL: You say on the backs of the capital gains increase? That's interesting, way you rephrase them. But let me ask you this, the White House must be a little bit very happy about the fact that the president is now in positive territory, stable or unstable. First president to do that in a long time, it's gonna send it to your office. Obama in fact is doing quite well that way.

BAIER: No, it's right. New Washington Post ABC poll is up to 50 percent. You're right Bob, and the economy largely is believed to be behind this surge. Now, he is going to take that and say, we are on the right track but wages, people are not feeling it around the country. And if you look at other polls, you know, majority of people think we're still in a recession in some way shape or form in part because, wages have not gone up.

GUILFOYLE: Hi Bret, it's Kimberly. So listen, this seems to me that it's gonna be more about politics than it is, policy. Because the president knows any of his proposals aren't going to go before the House or the Senate. They are not gonna make it there for a vote, so it's perhaps just to point out the differences, demonize the Republicans to create some kind of traction and dialogue in the press about the Republican Party and the GOP.

BAIER: No, definitely. I mean, in part of this is -- you know not the thought that these bills are going to make it through. I mean, much of it tracks with what Democratic Congressman Chris Van Hollen put forward in a budget proposal recently, that really was kind of considered dead on arrival. But it -- what it is was a blueprint they think, for Democrats going forward to 2016.


PERINO: Greg, your turn.

GUTFELD: Bret, I have a comment, a prediction, a suggestion and a question. My comment is it seems to me that President Obama only knows one song and it's Nail the Rich, that's his Free Bird and he'll play it to all -- till our ears bleed. My prediction is the State of the Union will bore America to tears, because his super power is stupefaction. (ph) His dullness mesmerizes us into a stupor and then robs us of $320 million. My suggestion to the republicans however, is out Obama out -- out Obama -- Obama. Instead, he's gonna offer two free years of community college. The Republicans should offer four, and that way if he says no to that that will just anger all the Millennials. And my question is, do you like -- do you like the guacamole spicy or do you want get some salsa?


BAIER: I like it spicy.


BAIER: And thanks for the tease, it's really gonna be a great show tomorrow, 8:55 p.m. Eastern Time.


BAIER: But our analysis of it is one of a kind.

PERINO: That's the best, the best of the best part.

BAIER: So thank you for the --

PERINO: I mean that's the.

BAIER: Yeah.

PERINO: Reason to tune in, for your announcement, let me switch gears then. Mitt Romney last week announcing he is thinking of getting into the race and now he got Jeb Bush and you have possibly, Rand Paul, Rubio Cruz, how do you see things shaping up tomorrow night when it comes to those folks? You think expect their -- try to put their two cents in?

BAIER: Yeah, I think -- you know, Rand Paul, I think he's gonna be on Megyn Kelly show not to give away the -- the tease but the -- I think he's going to be a post State of the Union appearance. And I think there will be others who pop up. We are gonna have Paul Ryan on the show in the analysis after the State of the Union, to kind of break down where Republicans think they can go, and where they can't, in the negotiations with the president.

BOLLING: Hey Bret, what do you expect to hear from Joni Ernst and the Republican response?

BAIER: You know it's interesting that choice. Obviously, a freshman senator but she's very attractive for Republicans because one, she ran a campaign that was pretty much tied to a conservative issue in Iowa, a place that is you know is a swing state. And you know, has the background, former in the military. And who knows, we may hear about castrating pigs.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my goodness.

PERINO: That may be good.


PERINO: Do you have last one Bob?

BECKEL: Yeah, just this last thought. Do you think after all of this talk and with playing politics and Obama laying down these Americans aren't going to get through, that they are gonna find some areas, they are gonna find some agreement and we are gonna see some legislation signed before the summer comes?

BAIER: Yeah, I do, Bob. I think there's gonna be something. I think most prominently is probably trade. That's probably the deal that gets done first. There is hope about corporate tax reform but, you know this first marker is kind of -- there's a big chasm between the two parties here. So, if this is his first play, he's got a lot of movement to do the match, Republicans where they are.

PERINO: We're not can let you off the hook yet, because Greg gets to ask one more question.

BAIER: Salsa?

GUTFELD: Your prediction. How many times will President Obama say extraordinary?

BAIER: I 10.


BAIER: 10 times.


GUTFELD: You are absolutely right, Bret.

BAIER: I think we should do a word cloud maybe.


BAIER: Do the whole thing.

GUTFELD: Whatever you want.

PEIRNO: If you could say --

BOLLING: I would pick me or I as the most prominent word, their share.

GUILFOYLE: Their share is always a crowd pleaser?



PERINO: I think rich is gonna be a good one.

BOLLING: Let me be clear.



PERINO: Make no mistake.

GUTFELD: No mistake.

BAIER: Make no mistake.

PERINO: All right. Thank you, Bret.

BAIER: See you guys.

PERINO: Catch him on Special Report tonight at 6 p.m. eastern tomorrow night at 8:55 p.m. eastern for State of the Union coverage. The Five will be live tweeting during the speech. We hope you will join the conversation using #foxnewsCHAT. Coming up, a reporter's ridiculous questions to a sheriff about a gun fight, back fires on him. Next.


GUTFELD: So, what dictates wall to wall coverage for one crime but not for another? I ask this because of a sickening act that went unnoticed in Haines City, Florida. Where thugs murdered a mother and a daughter, it's so horribly, it's too graphic to even describe. Their names were Patricia Moran and Deborah Royal, they're dead. I don't blame you if you don't know them. The crime doesn't lend itself to a protest or a visit from Eric Holder. Police caught the thugs, but not before Sheriff Grady Judd had spoke of preparing for a gunfight. That irked a reporter, who asked him if he regretted such harsh language. Here's the sheriff wiping the floor with him.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Some of the comments that you made last night about shooting the suspects, possibly, and some comments today about the -- ready for a gunfight, was that in the heat of the moment? Do you have any regret about that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. I not only have no regret. I'm pretty excited about telling you that's exactly what would have happened. And make no mistake about it: there's nothing about politically correct in a gunfight. There's nothing about politically correct when you're keeping people alive and well and safe.

And people in this community and these law enforcement officers come first. I meant every word of it then, and I mean every word of it now. If you surrender peacefully, that's the way we prefer it. You start pointing guns at us, you cannot only plan on but you can guarantee we're going to shoot you.



So why is this story important? Because it reveals how the establishment media is so fixated on backlash at the expense of victims. The reporter's concern after thugs killed two women was insensitive language. This is now everywhere.

After acts of terror, the focus always drifts to your intolerant reaction to such evil. Right now, there are those who obsess over Islamophobia, yet they're the same dopes who ignored the 1,400 cases of sexual abuse in England perpetrated by Pakistani gangs, all covered up in the name of political correctness.

This happens in a world where victimizers matter more than victims. Their protection provided by cartoonist exercises intolerance. Terrorists are glammed up in "Rolling Stone," as root causes of recent gunmen are defended my tenured apologists.

Meanwhile, victims are forgotten, reporters ask dumb questions, and one sheriff finally had enough. Good for him.

So K.G., what do you make of the sheriff's response? At least there's some of these people still around.

GUILFOYLE: I just want to make it my new ring tone, his little statement there, because it tells it all. No officer gets up in the morning and says, "I want to go out there, and I want to shoot people..."

GUTFELD: But he just did.

GUILFOYLE: "... and put my life on the line and my family and everything." They go out there to protect and serve. That is the officer's first obligation.

And by the way, anybody that's coming up trying to cause trouble and trying to shoot or kill an officer is too dangerous to let escape.

And it's right. You don't have a right to be able to resist arrest and fight it out like the Wild West on the streets with the cops. That's a lawless society where everybody loses. Follow the rules; go through the process. You will have your day to object and to appeal. Would you not like to do that standing up on two feet versus in a casket?

GUTFELD: Yes. Although they did kill two women, so I don't think they were that interested in justice of any kind.

Bob, this was a local story in Florida. It was a horrible one. But it's not getting the kind of coverage that other crimes, recent crimes get, because it doesn't fit a political narrative? Is that it?

BECKEL: And I suppose you could go that way. It fits the narrative. You've got a lot of dumb reporters out there.

I mean, this guy -- I don't know where he's coming with the question. I mean, it just seemed to me to be -- he's teeing it up for the sheriff to do it. Right? I mean, he was asking for it.

And so I don't -- again, I don't think this guy represents everybody in the establishment media. But whoever it was -- I don't know who it was, but the fact of the matter is that the sheriff was right to say what he said. And I, again, don't think the entire left was out there thinking it's a good idea for people to get shot on the street.

BOLLING: But what a surprise. We have another example of a liberal media asking stupid question, showing the bias that exists in the liberal media against guns and law enforcement. It just -- you know, Bob, you keep saying you can't indict the whole left, you can't indict the whole left, but meanwhile, it seems to consistently come from the left.

He's media, right? And he certainly was asking a question that would fall in line with antigun, anti-law enforcement. Would it not? He was incredulous that the cop said "if that -- those two murderers come near our stations, we will kill them." The reporter couldn't believe the cop -- instead of praising the cop for saying it, he couldn't believe he was offering a chance to walk that back, which he didn't, thankfully.

BECKEL: No, I was just saying that you might want to find out where the guy was doing his reporting for. So...

BOLLING: I don't think it matters. He's a liberal. He's in media.

GUTFELD: You know what this is, though, Dana? We've talk about it in the A-block. There's -- there is a growing contrast of mentality between - - you know, you look at "American Sniper" and the response. You look at the movies, the popularity of "Justified." Which -- we see common sense compared to a touchy feely B.S. that's kind of sprouted since the '70s. Maybe -- is there a time when we actually are done with this?

PERINO: It's possible that the reporter asking that question thought that he would get the...

GUTFELD: Response, yes.

PERINO: ... the chance to apologize. Because then you actually get to make your mark because you were the one who got the sheriff to apologize.


PERINO: I like it that he didn't. It reminded me of watching press briefings that Secretary Rumsfeld used to give at the Defense Department, where he had no time for those types of questions, and he dispensed with them quickly.


PERINO: It was masterful.

GUTFELD: All right.

Speaking of masterful, your Super Bowl XLIX preview is next on "The Five." That's a transition.

GUILFOYLE: So skillful.



GUILFOYLE: Well, Super Bowl XLIX is set. The Seahawks and the Patriots will vie for the title in two weeks, after defeating the Packers and Colts in yesterday's championship games.

It was an emotional day for all the players but especially for Seattle quarterback Russell Wilson, who got down on his knees to thank God for helping bring his team from behind in a dramatic finish.


RUSSELL WILSON, QUARTERBACK FOR SEATTLE SEAHAWKS: God is too good every time, man. Every time. These guys on the team are unbelievable, man. The fight -- the fight -- they're in this fight over and over again. People used to doubt, man. I decided to be on this team, decided to play with the guys.

I believe God prepared me for these situations. God prepared our team, too, as well. I'm just honored to be on this team. We're going to the Super Bowl again!


GUILFOYLE: All right. An emotional response. Many people tuned in to see this outcome. What did you think? What did you think of his comments?

BOLLING: His comments were fantastic. Russell Wilson a class act. He was thankful. He was humble. He -- you know, he praised the other team.

But I got to tell you something. This guy is in his third year. He won a Super Bowl. He doesn't make a lot of money on NFL standards. He's going to make a boatload of money at the end of this year, going into next year.

He was -- he threw for eight yards in the first half, three interceptions. They were getting their clock cleaned. He pulled himself up and won the game. This kid is a winner. He's going to be a great quarterback for a long time. I love this guy.

GUILFOYLE: That is mental toughness and stamina, Bob, even when you're just getting killed, and it's all on your shoulders to, like, pull it together and bring it home.

BECKEL: Yes. Absolutely. Look, let me -- I've got an admission here, because I was laid up, as usual, with my back. I decided the game was so far out of reach I turned the game off with four minutes left to go.



BECKEL: So I missed that entire thing. But having read it now and looked at the replay of it, it's remarkable.

And the other thing, the thing about him talking about God as much as he does, I'm glad to see that. I mean, I think here's somebody who's got a lot of faith, and I think he really believes very much that he had God on his side.

But to do that, to pull that off after -- I mean, I watched this guy for three quarters and a half, and it was terrible. And so how he got it at the last minute, you know, how he just sort of came at the last minute and pulled it together is amazing to me.

GUILFOYLE: Dana, we were upset about Green Bay?

PERINO: Well, I just...

GUILFOYLE: You and Greta.

PERINO: I always feel bad for the loser.


PERINO: Well, most of the time I feel bad for the losers. Normally, it's Republicans that win.

But 50 million people tuned in for that game. And then it was, like, 42 million for the next game.

I saw -- actually, I was the opposite, Bob. I only saw the last four minutes of the game. So I sat and my husband explained everything that was going on for me.

I have a feeling that Russell Wilson -- they actually did a huddle and a prayer after -- afterwards. I think even if they had lost, I still think that he would have been as pronouncing of God even if they'd lost. I don't think that he thinks that he won -- that God wanted him to win. I think that he was just thanking him for his talents.

GUILFOYLE: And to -- and to play his best, whatever the outcome would be, that in this place turned out to be very favorable for Seattle.

Greg, please.

GUTFELD: So true. Absolutely 100 percent couldn't agree more.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Good. Moving on.


GUILFOYLE: Did you feel bad for Green Bay?

GUTFELD: No, I didn't. I didn't watch any football. But I did look on Twitter, as I do when I'm bored, and it's great. Again, illustrating the mob mentality.

The first half, Wilson was a zero on Twitter; the second half, a hero. And Twitter will eat you alive and then just as intensely want to lick your wounds. And that's what we do as human beings, is we like that we like to denigrate, and then we like to bring us back up.

BECKEL: Are you suggesting that Twitter really does reflect the...?

GUTFELD: I think it -- I think it reflects-- as Dana said, it reflects kind of the most superficial and also the most shallow of our -- of our disgusting beliefs.

GUILFOYLE: I thought you were quitting Twitter. What's going on?

GUTFELD: I'm trying my best. Can we talk about the deflated balls?

GUILFOYLE: If you would like, that would be great, actually. I know that you're an expert on that.

GUTFELD: What is that supposed to mean?

GUILFOYLE: Take it where you want it.

GUTFELD: It was an accident in the '80s.

No, what's with -- what's with the -- I'm worried, because Serra High School, where I went to high school, Tom -- what's his name?


GUTFELD: ... Brady went there and he's being accused of using deflated balls. Barry Bonds went to the high school. He's been accused of many things. Did I go to a high school where everybody cheats? What's wrong with America? Serra High School?

BECKEL: What's wrong with Serra High School?

GUTFELD: I don't know.

BECKEL: Did you cheat? You didn't cheat.

GUTFELD: No. Well, Barry Bonds cheated off me in Spanish class.

PERINO: That's a great story.

GUTFELD: He kept kicking my desk. So I'd have to put my answers over so he would read my answers.

PERINO: Or he'd beat him up.

GUILFOYLE: I hope they were good.

GUTFELD: I could take him.

BOLLING: It was before the steroids.

GUTFELD: It was before the steroids. I could have taken him.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. He was definitely thinner then.

GUTFELD: Now with the steroids, he could beat me to death with his head.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Well, that segment went completely in a different direction. We will try to recover now. I hope you're actually watching.

Because still to come on "The Five," a march in Selma 50 years later in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King.

Plus, what the late civil rights icon would think about the race protests of today. His son answers that, next.



OPRAH WINFREY, ACTRESS/TALK SHOW HOST: We stand here today in honor of you all, in honor of him, not just in memory of them, not just in memory of Martin Luther King or in memory of Selma and what happened on the bridge, but to memorialize Martin Luther King as an idea and Selma as an idea of what can happen with strategy, with discipline and with love.


BECKEL: Oprah, her fellow cast members from "Selma," and others paid tribute to the late Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. yesterday by walking in his footsteps 50 years later.

Today the entire nation honors the civil rights legend amid a new era of racial tension, one with violent protests that his own son fears could set back the movement his father started.

Martin Luther King III tells the Washington Post -- or Times, excuse me; that's a big difference -- quote, "My father's approach to the most brutal and unambiguous social injustices during the civil rights struggle was rooted in nonviolence as a morally and tactically correct response. In no way do I nor would my father condone any 'ends justifying the means' behavior."

All right. Let me ask you, Greg, when he says that as clearly, believe his father would not have condoned Ferguson, what went on; he would not have condoned what happened, necessarily, but it was the action afterwards.

GUTFELD: I think what the movement is dealing with now that Martin Luther King wasn't -- wasn't facing was a different kind of radical mindset that's not even about race. It's about subversion of a society. You see a lot of white, young, unemployed, dreadlocked losers, who have been incubating and marinating in decades of divisive identity politics, who have hijacked this movement.

And they have the luxury of leaving the movement when they clean up their act. They can encourage rioting. They can encourage looting, but then they can move on. So they screw over a community, because it feels good to them and what happens is they sanctify destructive behaviors, destructive choices. And the worst thing about it is the strongest remedy for this is family, but it's the radicals who ridicule that observation.

BECKEL: Kim, I want to ask you. You've been to your fair share of riots. Not that you've started, but you've been to the aftermath. I mean, seriously, in California you have lots of riots...


BECKEL: ... lots of everything. And I wonder whether, in today's society, whether somebody who was honestly approaching a civil rights or any kind of struggle, like Martin Luther King could do so peacefully. Or is the era of peaceful reaction to what they consider to be bad tactics on the part of police or anybody else, is it possible?

GUILFOYLE: I think it is possible. It was possible before. Why wouldn't it be now? I think we've gotten out of step. And to sort of suggest that it has to go to the extreme of violence and disrespect and looting and fires and burning in order to make a message, I think is very wrong. That actually creates a backlash that puts people further back in terms of their approach and their thought process about race relations. There is a civilized and a dignified way to express your differences. And we need to go back to the way that Martin Luther King did it and not how it's being done today.

BECKEL: And let me ask both of you the same question. Eric, you want to take a shot at that?

BOLLING: OK. So there's this whole debate right now whether or not Martin Luther King or Malcolm X represent what, you know, the black movement over the last 50 or 60 years. Some people are now saying maybe it's more along the lines of what Malcolm X would believe. Other people are saying, well, Martin Luther King fits the white narrative better.

The bottom line, what we do know 50 years later, that race still has a stronghold on American debate, the dialogue, the debate going on in America. Fear, guilt, anger, those things all get drummed up when you start talking race. So I for one applaud Oprah for what she did right there -- Dana.

PERINO: I think that all of the things that Eric described are certainly true. We talk about them. But what a man to have given us the founding principle for the next several decades.

And actually, I think that the large celebrations of his life seen in Selma, elsewhere, the fact that there's a federal holiday that is observed, is that it shows the content of the character of our nation. And I think it's -- I don't think we are as divided as the media tries to make it seem.

BECKEL: Yes, I think that's right.

GUTFELD: I disagree. I'm kidding.

BECKEL: No you don't, really. "One More Thing" is up next.


BOLLING: OK, time for "One More Thing," and Bob starts it today.

BECKEL: The night before Martin Luther King was killed he was very ill, and he was not going to give a speech to the sanitation workers who were on strike in Memphis. And my dad was actually in the hotel when they talked him into going down to give the speech. And this is little covered, but listen to what he said, very much setting up and realizing his own death was coming.


REV. DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR., CIVIL RIGHTS PIONEER: I don't know what will happen now, but it really doesn't matter with me now, because I've been to the mountain top. I've seen the promised land. I may not get there with you, but I want you to know tonight that we as a people will get to the promised land.


BECKEL: A remarkable, prophetic statement by one of the great men of our history.

BOLLING: Very good, very good. Dana, you're up.

PERINO: All right. Betty White, she turned 93 on Saturday. She's part of a show that is called "Hot in Cleveland." She's the star of it. It's in its sixth season, its final season. And she got a little flash mob for her birthday. Take a look.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think there might be a little bit of a celebration for your birthday.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Happy birthday, Betty!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Happy birthday, Betty!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Happy birthday, Betty!

BETTY WHITE, ACTRESS: I'm 93; you shouldn't be doing this.


PERINO: Ninety-three is remarkable.

BOLLING: Fantastic.

GUILFOYLE: She's amazing.

BOLLING: Greg, you're up.

GUTFELD: Sexy as ever.


GUTFELD: All right.


GUTFELD: Greg's Crime Corner.


GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

GUTFELD: With 73 percent more crime.

All right. If you're going to steal something large like a flat- screen TV, you've got to have really strong thighs and wear a muumuu. Let's take a look at this woman in Costa Rica stealing a TV. You've got to watch this.

Here she comes in. She's looking over at the flat screens. She says, "Hmm, this looks interesting. I think I'll just do this." Whoa. Look at that. And there she goes. She's off. This woman was born to do this.

Now, I am against crime. I'm against shoplifting. But when somebody is this clever, I almost say, "You can have it." By the way, if you really want the TV back after that, I don't know.

BOLLING: Where was this?

GUTFELD: Costa Rica.

BOLLING: Definitely not.

All right. K.G., you're up.

GUILFOYLE: That was really disturbing.

OK. So a couple of things. You guys probably have seen this. I think it's so awesome. So the Dover Police Department released a video, and it's one of their officers kind of dancing it out, singing it out to Taylor Swift's "Shake It Off." Take a listen.




PERINO: I love it.

GUILFOYLE: The joke never gets old, right?

PERINO: I hope she invites him to her concert.

GUILFOYLE: Fantastic. So she tweeted out "LOL, LOL, LOL" and posted a link to the video. So she was loving it, too.

And if you can please check out tonight, 7 p.m., in for Greta. I would love to see you there. Seven p.m. Eastern on FOX.

BOLLING: Fantastic. Good stuff. I'll just very quickly go in. I don't have a lot of time. Our good friend Geraldo has been on "Celebrity Apprentice." He's kicking butt on the show. He's going to be on again tonight. He's doing fantastic stuff. Good friend, Geraldo. Good luck to you.

GUILFOYLE: Are you making a prediction?

BOLLING: My prediction is he'll be up against Ian Ziering for the final two.


BOLLING: Doing a great job.

All right. Before we go I want to say thank you to you, our fans. Our Fox News Facebook page just passed 10 million likes.

PERINO: Oh, my gosh.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, baby!

BOLLING: Go there, FOXNews.com/whatever.

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