Free speech uproar: Debate heats up over Coulter at Berkeley

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This is a rush transcript from "The Five," April 25, 2017. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

JESSE WATTERS, CO-HOST: Thank you, Tucker. Hello, everybody. I am Jesse Watters along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld. It's 9 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

The showdown over the right to free speech is intensifying tonight. Conservative commentator Ann Coulter vows to deliver a speech at UC Berkeley Thursday even after the school called off her scheduled visit. This comes as a group of Berkeley students has filed a lawsuit against the university for canceling the event. This school has set its security concerns following recent violence including a riot that erupted over a planned appearance by Milo Yiannopoulos a few months ago. But the Berkeley College Republicans say, the school violated the group's rights to free speech. Coulter doesn't buy that excuse.


ANN COULTER, CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR: The University of California Chancellor Janet Napolitano, she used to be, you know, Obama's secretary of Homeland Security. She have to keep the entire nation safe. I think she can keep a college campus safe. You can't use the excuse that some people are complaining about this because that is just a ruse for viewpoint discrimination.


WATTERS: And now, there is a rift on the left. Senator Elizabeth Warren is backing Coulter.


SEN. ELIZABETH WARREN (D), MASSACHUSETTS: Ann Coulter has gotten a much bigger platform but if someone tried to deny her a chance to speak, my view is, let her speak and just don't show up.


WATTERS: And Senator Bernie Sanders is defending Coulter's right to speak without fear violence but former DNC Chair Howard Dean doesn't appear to be a fan of free speech.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Here's the tweet from you. Hate speech is not protected by the First Amendment. Okay. Talk about this.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's actually true. I think Berkeley is within its rights to make a decision that put their campus in danger if they have her there.


WATTERS: All right. So, Greg, I am going to start with you because I think you went to the school, Berkeley.


WATTERS: And it just seems like hate speech is just speech that liberals don't like listening.

GUTFELD: No, but it's a great scam. The security concern argument? What they're saying is, we are not blocking free speech, we just can't protect you from people who will harm you over free speech. So, imagine if the lifeguard said, you know, normally we give you CPR but we're not going to give CPR to Democrats. Or you know, firefighter says, there's a four alarm fire on Sixth Avenue. Fox News? Sorry. That's not how it works. You do your job.

People are going to protect her no matter what. They're called the Police Department. What these activists are actually doing is they are increasing risks for violence by removing a key step in between anger and peace, which is conversation. This is Sharia Law for snowflakes. They're like -- they basically believing that you don't have a right to language.

So, if they get angry at you, the only thing you can do is be violent because there is no debate anymore. There's no conversation. This is actually a step towards chaos and anarchy which is what the antifa or whatever they call themselves really want.

WATTERS: I don't think it has anything to do with hate speech or the constitution. I think it's all about politics. Because if you look at a guy like Bill Maher for instance, he says so many hateful things. President sat in Reverend Wright's church for 20 years, he said a ton of hateful stuffs. There were no protests about that.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Well, I was trying to think there's an instance where there has been a conservative group that complained about a speaker that came to their college campus? I don't think there actually is. And so, it probably is politics but it's also this weird thing that this younger people seem to think that speech that they don't like -- they equate it with violence.

So, they need a safe place from the violence which I don't think makes a lot of sense but I do think that the Democrats are worried about something and you see a little bit of glimmer in leadership in somebody like Elizabeth Warren who is saying, this could be a slippery slope, because these leads to tribalism, tribalism means basically that you don't talk to anybody. And what the humans do when they separated into tribes, fight violently.

WATTERS: Yes. That's right. What does that say about, the Democratic Party that Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders, they are the voice of reason and they are making Howard Dean step back?

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Right. Well, the screamer? Thank God. The problem is is that, you know, everybody should be championing the same cause. This should be something where everyone is united left, right, center to say, we support and applaud the First Amendment. Free speech in this country is one of the most important principles that has bounded this country in terms of fighting for our liberty and our freedom to be able to do that and to be able to disagree.

What bothers me most is that this is happening in universities across this country where you are supposed to be educating our students, that are supposed to be future leaders of tomorrow. Why is it that someone like Ann Coulter can't go and speak, you know, at UC Berkeley or at UC Davis? I mean, like smart nerds, you guys are like the freak shows over there.


GUTFELD: We had better bars.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Well, that's my point. So, when you see this group here, this antifa or whatever. They become like the storm troopers of the Left. That is what they are. They are just, you know, they are close minded, they are just marching in unison like programmed to be against anything that is remotely conservative.

WATTERS: Why can't the university protect Ann Coulter? I mean, they have the money, they have the manpower. Why can't they do it, Bob?

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Well, first of all, let me just say how disappointed I am in all of you suggesting that this has something to do with Democrats and liberals. These are anarchists who are coming in from around the country, who have nothing to do with the Democratic Party. Howard Dean is an anarchist himself.

PERINO: Oh, really?

WATTERS: Former head of the Democratic Committee.

BECKEL: I know. I know. Short lived situation but --

WATTERS: Too bad because I love them there.

BECKEL: The reason I am for Ann Coulter speaking is because he has the right to speak, number one. And every time she opens her mouth --

PERINO: Oh, boy!

BECKEL: It drives away more people. She is becoming more and more irrelevant. So, she does something like this to get a lot of attention. This is a woman who said America has been graced by a Christian God, had Donald Trump as president. That wasn't all. She called Marco Rubio a rapist. And three, she wanted to deport Nikki Haley who is the governor of South Carolina. Let her talk. And talked, talked, talked and at one point so they can realized how idiot you are --

WATTERS: I don't think any of those things you listed was hate speech.

BECKEL: Oh, really?

WATTERS: She says those things, are you supposed to then riot and try to do harm to her?

BECKEL: You don't think calling Rubio a rapist is not a hate speech? I don't remember that.

WATTERS: Listen, I don't think anybody is going to fight anybody because someone called them a name. What I don't understand is, it is not Coulter that's instigating a crowd to then fight somebody else.

BECKEL: Who she is?

WATTERS: She's actually saying something and then the people that are offended are trying to hurt her.

GUTFELD: Yes. But the intolerance movement which is born out of progressive, politically correct ideology is predicated on running unopposed. They have never had opposition so when they would protest, there would be nobody there. They would come out into your street and protest. Now what you are seeing is kind of a pendulum response. People are coming to the campuses whether you like them or not. Whether you hate Ann or you hate Milo, they are actually bringing the fight to them and you're saying, well, that's instigation, no, it's actually waking up for the longest time. These groups own the streets. They own the language. They own turf. Now you have the right mimicking the left and the left can't handle it. They are now the dean wormers, they are now the stodgy old puritanical hedgehog.

BECKEL: And Ann Coulter is the dead horse in the dean's office.

WATTERS: That's not very nice, Bob.

BECKEL: Oh, is that too bad?

WATTERS: That is hate speech, Bob.

BECKEL: No, I will give you some hate speech. Ann Coulter said things about -- she said things about me --

GUILFOYLE: Here we go. Now it's personal.

BECKEL: -- about other people that are, it is persona; because she has lied. You look at her books, she has --

GUTFELD: But wait, wait, wait, it's nothing to do with the whole argument. You just said she has a right to speak and now you are saying you don't like what she says. So then, why does it matter? That should make you --

BECKEL: She wants to be there for one reason. She draw a lot of attention to herself because she is becoming increasingly irrelevant.

WATTERS: She was invited by the college Republicans to speak and she gladly accepted the invitation.


BECKEL: So, what?

WATTERS: -- Drawing attention to herself. The people that are protesting - -

BECKEL: Oh, now that she decided to give that speech anyway because of potential violence? I bet she wishes there can be violence so she can then be the martyr in all of this. You know, the fact that we wasted a segment of this show on somebody like Ann Coulter --

GUTFELD: But no, Bob. It is not about Ann Coulter. It's about the fact, the former head of the Democratic Party said that that free speech is hate speech.

PERINO: Right.

GUTFELD: That is what this is about. And you even said she should speak. Now you are getting bogged down and the things you don't like about her. So, you're making the irrelevant point.

BECKEL: That's why I wanted to speak because every time she speaks, people get to know more about her and realized --

GUILFOYLE: Okay. But first --

WATTERS: And every time she speaks and people get violent, it makes the left look even --


WATTERS: I'm going to get Kimberly --

GUILFOYLE: Yes. Because let's get some sanity here because the wheels came off the Bob bus. The Cambridge --



GUILFOYLE: No, no, I'm going to educate you. Open up your mind, baby. Public speech that expresses hate or encourages violence towards a person or group based on something such as race, religion, sex or sexual orientation, that is the Cambridge definition of hate speech.

BECKEL: Yes. Yes.

GUILFOYLE: So how is it --

BECKEL: And I would think that -- can we go through those again? Because I think Ann qualifies for everyone --

WATTERS: I don't think she does. You know, what I want to get --

BECKEL: You know --


BECKEL: Hold on a second! You used the word liberal, you said you're going to educate me. Here we go again. I have a right to say what I think and I think she is an idiot and I hope she speaks and drive more people away and then you jump all over me.

WATTERS: I am not jumping over you. I do not want to get anywhere near you, Bob. I want to hear your reaction to something former President Obama said about the polarization in the country. Let's take a look.


FMR. PRES. BARACK OBAMA (D), UNITED STATES: If this generation is getting all of its information through its poems, that you really don't have to confront people who have different opinions. Or have a different experience. Or a different outlook. If you are liberal, you're on MSNBC, if you are a conservative, you are on FOX News.


WATTERS: So, Dana, the President who bashed FOX News for eight years is now complaining about polarization in the country. It doesn't even seem like -- it seems lopsided. FOX is over here and the rest of the media is over here.

PERINO: I never thought President Obama has been consistent on this. And he has always pushed back. Remember when Condoleezza Rice was rejected out --


PERINO: -- basically dis-invited from Rutgers University? He actually came out and said that is wrong. So, I think that he has been consistent specially in talking to liberal college campuses but I do wonder, can he actually try to figure out a way as Bob was pointing out, he's saying that the anarchists that are coming in are not part of the Democratic Party.

BECKEL: Exactly right.

PERINO: Okay. So how then do you separate a radical fringe from the group? And the right has to deal with this a lot sometimes. Remember the Ku Klux Klan thing? They are not a part of the Republican Party, how do you continue to separate it? And I think the left does need to pay attention to this. And now that President Obama is back, maybe this is something that he will do because he's going to be out doing some more public --

BECKEL: And also what you said was accurate. I mean, it's true that people go watch MSNBC tend to be more liberal, like FOX tend to be more conservative. That's all right. I mean, you can pick whatever you want. But at least, I can't remember a single time when a Democrat compared the Republican Party with Nazis.

GUTFELD: Oh, my God, Bob. Bob, I can hear it in an hour, then do that. By the way, but the bigger point here, the left made their bed. It's the intolerant left that created the new right. It was the pc Coulter that had stifled too much dialogue for so long. And these safe spaces that are actually creating the danger by preventing dialogue. You want to talk about how to stop these people, you forced them into a conversation. That is the only way that it can work.

GUILFOYLE: They don't want to do it. They want an echo chamber and that's what they want. They don't want to hear any other viewpoints. They want to be close minded and they will do whatever it takes to silence the other side.

WATTERS: All right. When we come right back, Rush Limbaugh has a warning for President Trump about the border wall. We will going to hear from Rush, next.


PERINO: A possible breakthrough on the budget on the border wall is raising hopes that a potential government shutdown by the end of this week might be avoided. The White House is backing up its demand that spending bill include money for a construction of the wall, but President Trump insists that it will be built.


PRES. DONALD TRUMP (R), UNITED STATES: The wall is going to get built, folks. Just in case anybody has any question, the wall is going to get built and the wall is going to stop drugs and it's going to stop a lot of people from coming in that shouldn't be here. The wall gets built. Hundred percent. We are already preparing, we're doing plans, we're doing specifications. We have plenty of time. We have a lot of time.


PERINO: But Rush Limbaugh is concerned that President Trump might be giving into the Democrats.


RUSH LIMBAUGH, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: I am not happy to have to pass this on but it looks like from here, right here right now, it looks like President Trump is caving on his demand for a measly $1 billion in the budget for his wall on the border with Mexico. The Democrats are threatening a government shutdown. It's the same old same old and I was hoping that Trump would throw this shutdown thing right back in their face, get away with it once. They're just going to keep using him.


PERINO: Joining us for the first time on our new time slot at 9:00 p.m. is Chief White House correspondent John Roberts. John, you were there as a front row today. And you've been watching them, you know, the developments over the last 100 days. And I wanted to ask you if, do you think the White House has figured out a way to get the border protection they need for now, plus the spending deals so that they don't have to have a government shutdown in the first 100 days?

JOHN ROBERTS, FOX NEWS CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Exactly, Dana. I really think they have it. Because as a matter of fact, we had a meeting tonight, myself and a number of my colleagues with the Chief-of-Staff Reince Priebus. He invited us back to his office where he made a point of saying that the President is showing reasonableness on the wall, that he surprised Democrats by doing that. He thinks that he's really not Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer, the minority whip back on their heels. And Reince Priebus telling us tonight that the Democrats will have to manufacture some sort of fake controversy if they want to shut down the government and blamed the Democrats.

So, what the President has really done here is he's laid out the tables and principles. He wants $30 billion in defense spending for the Pentagon and he wants a lot of money for border protection. And in that money for border protection, he had $1.55 billion that was earmarked to begin construction of the wall. But now, he shifted that saying, well, I need something on the border in terms of structure.

So, what about repairing and replacing some fencing that is there? They have these landing math fences in El Centro, California, just outside of San Diego which they are old. They are falling apart. He could rebuild those. Get a few extra feet of fencing. And then kick back the discussion over actual bricks and mortar for the wall until the fiscal year '18. Budget battle will now start in September.

PERINO: All right. We are going to take it around the table. And Bob is going to kick us off.

BECKEL: John, Rush Limbaugh who I don't agree with a lot is exactly right. Obama, look, I mean, if Trump caves -- and Trump is realizing one thing. He has gotten all these supposes successes by law hanging proof, by signing executive orders. But when it comes to congress, he is getting his butt kicked in. Now, they are trying this in the chicken salad, from chicken, other stuff, and that's a good idea but you don't buy that, do you? You don't think that has any butt crash, do you?

ROBERTS: Yes. You know, Bob, he knew that this was a losing proposition. Senator Schumer came out today and said that to McConnell. Mitch McConnell, the Senate Majority Leader wanted to negotiate on the wall. Chuck Schumer said there will be no wall. Everybody knew that there was going to be a big fight over this. And that the Democrats would probably force the government into default and into a shutdown.

And then that would be prime territory for them to play new Republican. So, the President really wanted to avoid this. He doesn't want a government shutdown, which would come either on the 99th or 100th day of his presidency. So, he could postulate it on the wall, there's no question about that. Though he is saying that they are going to continue with construction of the wall but if you listen to the border patrol, which does not want a concrete barrier that they can't see through -- they want something that they can see through to the other side, you can listen to people here at the White House talking about some of the options in terms of building a, quote, "wall." It sounds like this is looking more like fence than the type of wall that they have running through the center of Israel -- Bob.

BECKEL: Uh-hm.

PERINO: All right. I go to Kimberly next.

GUILFOYLE: All right. John, I am curious in terms of your discussions with the Chief-of-Staff Reince Priebus, did he really say what his strategy is going forward to be able to get the funds, you know, appropriated to be able to complete this, whatever you want to call it -- a fence or a wall. Because he mentions kicking it to September, in terms of dealing with the fiscal issues at that time but how would that be different than now?

ROBERTS: You know, Kimberly, it's a good chance, it's not going to be any different coming up in September and October than it will be right now. And the reason for that is the Democrats have got their heels dug in over this. The House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi saying on one of the Sunday shows yesterday that building a wall is a sign of weakness. The Democrats are saying, well, you can do it through electronic means, you can do it through surveillance. Kellyanne Conway this morning on "FOX AND FRIENDS" suggesting that in the interim before they build the wall, well, maybe you can build some sort of electronic wall.

But the President firmly believes that the model in Israel, it means some shape or form, is the model to follow. Look at what happened there. They had enormous success in keeping terrorists attacks after they build that wall right down the center of Israel between Israel and the Palestinian territories. So, that is the model that the President is working from. Believing if you can build a physical barrier along the parts of the Southern Border that you can, that will go a long way to keeping the bad people out.

He is saying, it's not a model for immigration. But this is for drugs, this is for human smuggling, et cetera et cetera. So, he is making what he believes is a compelling case. The Democrats aren't buying the word of it and they are the ones that really kind of holding the first strings here because you need 60 votes to pass a bill, spending bill in the Senate unless you do it through a reconciliation process, they are already doing that with health care. And they might want to do that with tax reform. So, they want to try to get 60 votes on this.

PERINO: Okay. Jesse.

WATTERS: Hey, John. So, a judge today basically blocked Trump defunding sanctuary city's initiatives. So now it looks like, we have that, we have the travel ban immigration situation, now you have the border wall money at risk. Not a lot of luck when it comes to immigration policy. What is the mood in the White House right now with all of this stuff?

ROBERTS: They know that they are 0 for three in terms of his executive order Jesse on immigration but Reince Priebus in his conversation with us tonight saying that this is another example of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals going bananas. And that they are bowing to appeal this all the way to the Supreme Court. But you are right, Jesse, when it comes to issues of immigration, the President is batting zero. At this point, they do want to get a victory on the board, don't know if they will get it in court in appealing these executive orders. That is why he wants some semblance of a border wall that say, I promised it on the campaign trail. Now I'm getting it done, but I think getting it done is going to be very difficult.

PERINO: That's why they should ask for expedited review by the Supreme Court especially now the court is -- we have one last question, John. This is the one you've been waiting for from Greg Gutfeld.

GUTFELD: Sure. Why do you put that pressure on me? Hey, if they do have a government shutdown, John, will you make a pledge not to say the phrase kick the can down the road?


ROBERTS: Well, first of all, Greg, I don't think they are going to have the government shutdown so I will be tempted to say that. They're probably going to pass some sort of continuing resolution this week, give them another couple of weeks to negotiate a bigger on this spending bill. I talked to Mick Mulvaney, the OMB director, the chief-of-staff and many other people around here and they all believe that can get something done this week and avoid that deadline because they do not want that as an exclamation point on the President's first 100 days.

GUTFELD: Is there a better word than omnibus?



GUTFELD: It is like, what is an omnibus?

PERINO: It's a big thing --

ROBERTS: It's an all-encompassing thing. Sort of like you, Greg. You encompass everything that there is in the universe.

PERINO: You can be a diplomat John in your next life.

ROBERTS: Well, you know, I once joked in 2008 when President Obama was elected that I had been named the ambassador to Canada because that is where I was born. And everybody at my employer, which at that point with CNN, bought it. They were all wishing me well.


PERINO: Well, we are glad you did not go to Canada. We're glad you're here. Thank you, John.

ROBERTS: All right. Good to see you.

PERINO: Up next, a bombshell new report on how President Obama did the nuclear deal with Iran. Greg has details when "The Five" returns.


GUTFELD: Here is the problem with legacy: You'll sacrifice stuff that is not even yours to get it. Take President Obama's Iran deal, when he gave the shirt off his back and ours too. Politico just published a piece detailing how President Obama sugarcoated the prisoner swap with Iran in order to preserve the nuke deal that he so badly wanted. I know, I know. He's no longer president, but neither is Lincoln and I just saw a movie on him, so we are going to talk about it.

So who did President Obama hand over? Guys who gave Iran materials for missiles, who smuggled assault rifles to Iran, who may have scored for Iran thousands of parts for the uranium centrifuges.

And get this: We refer to these guys as businessmen. Maybe so. Using that logic, a serial killer is a businessman too. He is in the business of serial killing. It is funny the White House deceiving us by calling these criminals "businessmen." Probably the first time in history a liberal used that label as a compliment. If you're an American businessman, you're a selfish jerk. But if you sell missiles to Iran, you're a go-getter.

But legacies aren't just selfish, they're dangerous too. Iran knew what President Obama wanted, which prevented him from striking a tough deal. He was like a poker player whose mirrored sunglasses showed everyone his hand. Maybe that's why having a 70-year-old billionaire as a president isn't such a bad thing. Why does he need a legacy? He's got his name on enough things already.

Bob, I will go to you because you are an expert in this. Should President Obama be retro-impeached? Retro-impeached. I don't think it's ever been done but I think we get to do it now, petition.

BECKEL: You know, I don't know, Greg. It's not constitutional, but if we're sure to get three quarters of the states to pass it and I think a resolution.

GUTFELD: There you go.

BECKEL: You know, one thing I will say about this is that since the beginning of this republic, we have always traded spies for spies and we've never told the truth about it. That starts with George Washington and goes right out through Franklin Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan.

GUILFOYLE: Interesting.

BECKEL: The fact of the matter is that that is part of -- I don't excuse the way he did it.


BECKEL: But I don't think it's something that's just normal for Obama. I think it is something that is part and parcel --

GUTFELD: I think --

BECKEL: And also, one last thing. The Trump Secretary of State said the Iran deal was a good one. It was working.

GUTFELD: I don't think he said it was a good deal. He said I'll take a look at it in a little while.

WATTERS: He said they were violating the spirit of the deal and they were going to re-assess it after --

BECKEL: That was the president.

WATTERS: No, no, no. Tillerson said it.

PERINO: Tillerson said it. The next day after that --

WATTERS: I think he missed that one.

PERINO: Bob was right that there was a report that went up and said to the Congress that they are largely complying with the deal. And then the next day is when Tillerson made those comments which were strong and put Iran on notice.

GUTFELD: But this is about the deal he made that he sweetened because he wanted his legacy.

GUILFOYLE: Right, hello.

GUTFELD: And he, yes, Kimberly.

GUILFOYLE: Then we get this.


GUILFOYLE: That's PAD, P-A-D. It's all true and substantiated. The deal here is what lengths were they willing to go to, to be able to make sure that this deal went through and to sweeten it for Iran? I mean you have to think about acting in the best interest of the United States. How is this acting in the best interest of the United States and national security, by compromising in every way things that we should have been preventing?

I mean that to me, I think is hugely problematic. It should be fully investigated because this is not the kind of diplomacy or U.S. foreign policy that should ever happen in this country.

GUTFELD: I do think Bob makes a good point. It was a prisoner swap. But that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about the fact that the guy made a lousy deal.

WATTERS: He's a terrible dealmaker and he does it with bribes and lies. He gives the Iranians tons of cash in the dead of night and then lies about the guys he grants clemency to like a bunch of choir boys. He did it with Obamacare deal. Remember he paid off all the swing state senators.

He bribed all the insurance companies and he said if you like your health care plan, you can keep it. That was a lie. How about the Bergdahl deal? Also a terrible deal. Paid ransom, lied about it. He said the guy served with courage and distinction.

GUILFOYLE: What about Cuba?

WATTERS: Five Taliban commanders for one traitor. He's got a terrible history of --


WATTERS: Because he doesn't understand leverage. He was so desperate to get the deal done he didn't care about the details.

BECKEL: How about the next thing we got a painted (ph) wall.

WATTERS: They will.

BECKEL: Let's go back to --

WATTERS: And it will be a beautiful wall.

BECKEL: Yes, a big gate.


BECKEL: But you go back and look at one of the greatest mistakes probably made in this, when Harry Truman and Franklin Roosevelt sat down with Joe Stalin and essentially gave away Eastern Europe, right, so that Russia would enter the war against Japan. Now that was condemning 20 million people for communism.

Now that was part and parcel how they wanted to end the war with Japan. It was probably not the best deal in the world but it happens. And it happens in big ways.

GUTFELD: Alright, I want to get Dana in here. What Bob is saying is often times you have to do unsavory things for savory ends.

PERINO: Right.

GUTFELD: My point is --

GUILFOYLE: There is no savory end here.

GUTFELD: Well there is but not yet, and he could have probably been a little less unsavory.

PERINO: Well, I think that they would maintain that they did it for the greater good.


PERINO: And that they still think that in the long run that is the best thing, I guess, history will have to say. But remember when "The New York Times" magazine cover story came out about Ben Rhodes who was a deputy at the Security Council advisor who was in charge of messaging (ph) the Iran deal and he made so much fun of the reporters on the record -- he's making fun of reporters for not actually digging into the story and not finding these things. And it's interesting that none of this leaked during the Obama administration in regards to the Iran deal. It's only coming out now.

GUTFELD: Interesting.

PERINO: And also Cuba.

GUTFELD: Don't forget Cuba.

GUILFOYLE: You know why, I think this is just -- overall, what we have seen consistently is the Obama administration regularly misled the American people because they think they know better than everybody else.

GUTFELD: Alright, directly ahead, Ivanka Trump gets heckled at a woman's summit in Germany, and we've got the tape. You'll see it when "The Five" returns.


GUILFOYLE: Welcome back. While Ivanka Trump got an icy reception in Berlin, Gremany earlier today, she was at Women's Economic Empowerment Summit with the German chancellor Angela Merkel. The fist daughter drew jeers and hisses from some on the audience while she was defending her dad's support for women and families


IVANKA TRUMP, FIRST DAUGHTER: He has been tremendous champion of supporting families and enabling them to thrive in the new reality of --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You would hear the reaction from the audience.

TRUMP: I certainly heard the criticisms from the media and that's been perpetuated. I know from personal experience and I think the thousands of women who have worked with and for my father for decades when he was in the private sector are a testament to his belief and solid conviction in the potential of women and their ability to do the job as well as any man.


GUILFOYLE: OK, so this was obviously a controversial thing today. She went to go speak, Jesse, and then, you know, drew the hisses and jeers when she was trying to talk about her father's commitment to women and to children and to families.

WATTERS: Yes. Funny, , you know,, the left they really respect women, and they were given an opportunity to respect a woman like that they boo and hiss, and how is that the Europeans were supposed to be so sophisticated and well-mannered, and now they're treating us like it's a soccer match. I don't understand what's going on.

I think Ivanka is supposed to be the moderating voice for her father. So, I think people in Europe should support that. I don't know why also saying that, you know, my father respects family is controversial. He's probably hired a ton of fathers and mothers and children. So, I don't really get what's going on here, but I really like how she was speaking into that microphone.

GUILFOYLE: Dana, what do you make of this? I mean, you know, she's really gone out of her way to try to -- I think to contribute and be a part of her father's administration and especially on this issue. She want equal pay for women, working mothers should be able to have some support and help to be able to have like, you know, child care.

PERINO: Well, I think she handled a very tough situation with dignity and I don't think that she -- that won't be the last time that she has to deal with that because tensions are high on all sides. That it was rude for the audience to do that. And she handled it very well.

But I think what they forgot is that Merkel invited Ivanka Trump through the meeting because it was about trying to figure out a way to empower women entrepreneurs and get them access to capital because that's one of the biggest barriers. So that's why she was there. That's what she's dedicating a lot of her policy work to.

They call it public service for a reason. It's not easy but I admire her for getting out there and going out there and doing it, but you have to remember, she was invited by Merkel to the meeting and therefore I think -- Merkel can't control her audience but she should have asked for a little bit more --

GUILFOYLE: Right, but she handled herself well I think.

GUTFELD: This is an interesting pattern that we're seeing ever since this became a phenomenon, the Trump phenomenon. Remember on the plane when the guy demeaned her and her family? Because this kind of attack is easy. You don't get much blowback when you go after a Trump or if you go after anybody that is not part of a certain grievance group.

So you can boo Ivanka Trump but have you ever booed, I don't know, a radical cleric? Have these people ever thought about booing a mouthpiece for Islamic militancy. Would they have booed Ahmadinejad if he came and spoke? Chances are no. But this is something that you can boo and hiss because it's easy, acceptable and it's again, virtue signaling. I went and I booed Ivanka Trump. I'm cool. It's virtue signaling.

GUILFOYLE: And it's sick. It is bullying. OK, go ahead, Bob.

BECKEL: I was going to say let's not assume this was the left that was there. Like they're implicating --

WATTERS: Like a bunch of right-wingers out there?

BECKEL: Actually, a big part of her (INAUDIBLE).


BECKEL: Let's also remember that it was Merkel who Donald Trump refused to shake hands with and --

WATTERS: At least he didn't tap her phones like Obama did.


GUTFELD: I mean when I saw that -- I saw that. No, I saw the tape.

PERINO: I saw that too.

GUTFELD: He did not hear her. I don't think he heard that --

GUILFOYLE: Well then he might have said that he had amazing chemistry with her.

WATTERS: He didn't massage her shoulders like Bush did.

GUILFOYLE: Alright, when we come back. We're going. When we come back, I hope we do --

GUTFELD: Oh, my favorite.

GUILFOYLE: How much would you be willing to spend on a pair of jeans caked in fake mud? Bob has got the dirt on the hefty prize for fashion, next.


BECKEL: Move over, ripped jeans. Nordstrom has come up with a brand new way to make you look like a construction worker, like without putting in a hard day's work like Greg. Behold the "Barracuda Straight Leg Jeans" complete with a fake caked on muddy coating. The dirty little secret, this pricey pants will set you back $425.

Not everyone is a fan of this fashion trend. Here is former "Dirty Jobs" host, Mike Rowe, whoever that is.


MIKE ROWE, FORMER DIRTY JOBS SHOW HOST: It's like jeans for people who don't have dirty jobs but want you to think they have a dirty job. So, might be for Nordstrom isn't that they don't value icons of work, they clearly do. Might be that they don't value authenticity. And once again, as a country, what the hell are we doing man?


BECKEL: Now I like the guy. Now I recognize who he is. Now, Jesse, you spend -- what's your price for jeans that you buy?

WATTERS: I'm probably about $150. Is that a lot?

BECKEL: That's a lot.

WATTERS: I shouldn't say that.

BECKEL: $150 --

WATTERS: I really shouldn't say that.

BECKEL: When Eric was sitting here, he wore his jeans, all those cuts in them, you know, and he paid like $390 --

WATTERS: They got ripped on purpose.

BECKEL: Yes. It's what I don't understand.

WATTERS: I don't have a problem with them doing that. If people are dumb enough to buy those jeans for $450, you know, they're smart. They're capitalist. Sell them, I don't care.

PERINO: Here's the thing I would say, is that women actually like men who do outdoor work not men who pretend they can do outdoor work.


PERINO: Take it from us. Right, KG?

GUILFOYLE: Absolutely.

WATTERS: You lost that one to me.


WATTERS: What about men that pay for people to do outdoor work?

GUILFOYLE: I don't know. I mean a guy that actually knows how to use his hands --


GUILFOYLE: Oh, gosh.

WATTERS: Like with a shovel?


BECKEL: Shovel? Lend me the shovel.


GUILFOYLE: That isn't afraid to work and like, you know, then after it. But I don't know about the mud on the pants. That's a little bit --

GUTFELD: This is Halloween for beta males. This is so man with soft hands, can feel like a real dude while they go get their chai latte and then they go to their Pilates class.

GUILFOYLE: It's a "chai" latte.

GUTFELD: With their hypnotherapist named Marco -- chai latte. See, I don't even drink this stuff. I don't even know what to call it. But you know what, you want to make this better? You got to create a certificate of authenticity. There should be a notice that these jeans were worn by Gus Melnick (ph) while unclogging a toilet in the Greyhound bus station in Newark. And bonus, it's scratched and sniffed for an extra $600.

PERINO: My family in Wyoming, they could probably send -- they could like outfit a whole Nordstrom.

GUTFELD: Yes. Exactly. Sell your dirty jeans.

GUILFOYLE: I don't think like a guy doesn't go and buy these -- maybe he's such a poser.

PERINO: They're probably skinny too.

GUILFOYLE: Like it's one thing if you're a construction worker or your pants, you know, something and you actually really work and that's the real --

GUTFELD: They are fetishizing blue colored workers.

GUILFOYLE: Can you imagine if someone show in a date like that?

BECKEL: Anybody else -- you get $425 for that we're (INAUDIBLE) jeans in behalf of (INAUDIBLE)


BECKEL: I got $39 for the hard work from falling (ph) on the highest (ph) trinket (ph). And I want to say one more thing!

GUILFOYLE: What's your excuse next time (ph)?


PWATTERS: Time now for "One More Thing" Dana.

PERINO: OK, so today I had the privilege of going to the 2017 Disruptor Innovation Awards and I want to show some highlights from the guy that got the first award. His name is Mick Ebeling and he is the head and founder of Not Impossible. So in this clip, he helped create these vibrating wristbands on a PNS (ph) named Joe who was forced to give up his skill after he was diagnosed with Parkinson's. And watch what happens next.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Many physicians and enough doctors said, Joe, forget it, you're not going to get any better.

I can feel it. And then it works.


GUTFELD: That's incredible.

PERINO: It's incredible. The whole day was amazing. There are lots of innovators to see. For more on that, You can learn more about Mick and his efforts and last week, guess what? My book about Jasper was named one of the notable books of the year, which I totally -- I circled it for which one doesn't belong but it was an honor and I just loved the event. It was great.

WATTERS: Congratulations.

PERINO: How interesting.

BECKEL: That was great.

PERINO: I know you like science.

GUIFOYLE: I love it, I love it, I love it.

WATTERS: Go science. Go ahead Bob.

BECKEL: Well, you know, President Trump when he was candidate Trump would oftentimes speak about his disdain for executive orders. Just take a look at him on the campaign trail.


DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: He of the executive order because nobody wants to listen to him, including the Democrats so he just goes around signing executive orders. The country wasn't based on executive orders. Right now Obama goes on signing executive orders. He can't even get along with the Democrats.


BECKEL: Well, here you go now. Here you'll see what he has done, his entire presidential 100 days, is to sign executive orders. So, you got to love a guy who can change his mind like that and even have some of his supporters still believe the guy can tell the truth.

WATTERS: Was that like when John Kerry was for the war?

BECKEL: No, because we're not going to talk about that.


WATTERS: OK, my "One More Thing," there was a congressman in California, Democrat Mark DeSaulnier was in a town hall and answered a question from an 11-year-old girl about President Trump. Roll the tape.


REP. MARK DESAULNIER (D), CALIFORNIA: This dangerous stuff. I've said it a few times, the most dangerous person in America isn't a terrorist, it's the person who's in, who is president of the United States.



WATTERS: Wow. So there you have it. A Democrat congressman saying that President Trump is the most dangerous man in America, more dangerous than ISIS.

BECKEL: You really think he said that? I don't think he said that.

WATTERS: The congressman's phone number, if you want to contact him is --


WATTERS: You know, (202) 225-2095. Wait until tomorrow though when the office is open. Greg, over to you.

GUTFELD: Alright, it's time for my favorite topic.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Greg's Sports Corner.

GUTFELD: You know I love me some sports. You know the Clippers played the Jazz. They are both -- that's basketball and they have these little -- sometimes they have games at halftime where, you know, kids and adults run and gets each other. Look at this. That's an adult. He did it to a kid. And there goes the Jazz bear.

Let's show it one more time. The Jazz bear says hey, that ain't right. He runs on there and he goes bam! The Jazz bear knocks them down. The guy died instantly.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my god.


GUTFELD: No, he didn't. I had made it up. He's fine. But it's a less in value to learn when you're in a halftime game, don't beat up children.

WATTERS: That's right. Kimberly, can you top that?

GUILFOYLE: And you do really look out for the children.

GUTFELD: I do. I care for the kids, Kimberly. I care for the kids. I care for the kids.

GUILFOYLE: All right, if you say so. Check this out. This is a really good one. OK, this wonderful woman, 101 years old. She ran the 100-meter dash in New Zealand World Masters Game yesterday. Now, one small -- nobody else ran against her but it didn't matter. It doesn't matter. No one in the 100 plus age group category was competing.

GUTFELD: She out ran all of her competitors.

BECKEL: She would have beat me.

GUILFOYLE: Bob, she would smoke you. Man Kaur is her name in India. She completed the race in one minute and 14 seconds. They did a whole medical clearance, cleared her to run after that and she began running in track and field with her son at the age of 94. Isn't that the best?

BECKEL: I think it's good.

GUILFOYLE: I think it's great.

PERINO: Well done.

WATTERS: Faster than you Bob. Alright, set your DVRs so you'll never miss an episode of "The Five." We'll see you back here tomorrow at 9 p.m. Eastern. Sean Hannity is up next.

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