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This is a rush transcript from "The Ingraham Angle," May 10, 2019. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

LAURA INGRAHAM, HOST: I'm Laura Ingraham, this is “The Ingraham Angle,” from Washington tonight. We're going to do something a little different. OK. Ready? No Comey, no Mueller, no Barr, no contempt to Barr, no impeachment talk. What the heck are we going to talk about. Well, I'm telling you we're not doing it, because to a lot of you, it's lot of white noise. None of that really matters to you to some extent. So, Friday, we're going to be talking about a lot of culture, political stuff, but things that get lost in the shuffle, especially when we had as much news as we had this week.

And we're going to answer questions such as this. What does the debate over Facebook's future really mean for free speech? Huge issue. And if we can't patrol our own borders, can't control them, why should we be defending the borders of countries thousands of miles away? Interesting question. We're going to examine the backlash to all these boycotts out there, specifically how Chick-fil-A's emergence as the fastest growing fast food restaurant in the country.

How that can teach a lesson to those who want to punish Christian conservatives in this country? You know it's the third biggest fast food chain in America today. And Raymond Arroyo is here, Friday Follies. Why is a radical priest trying to rehab Farrakhan? Well, of course for all the wrong reasons. All that and more coming up with Raymond.

But in a much-ballyhooed New York Times op-ed, former Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes called for the breakup of the company he built with his buddy Mark Zuckerberg during their Harvard days. Now, his piece got him booked far and wide across the media landscape.


CHRIS HUGHES, FORMER CO-FOUNDER OF FACEBOOK: This is a monopoly. The market is frozen. There is no competition and there is no accountability.

The time is up. There have been too many scandals. There have been too many problems. It's up to government to come in. Break up the company and set this baseline of standards.


INGRAHAM: OK. Who is Chris Hughes? He was the Harvard classmate of Zuckerberg where of course they founded the social media giant, Facebook. Now, he left the company over a decade ago with a small and very lucrative stake valued at roughly $850 million. That's about 1 percent of the company. Well, after he cashed out though, Hughes volunteered for Barack Obama's 2008 presidential campaign. And then he used his newfound wealth to buy the notorious liberal, New Republic magazine inserting himself as editor, tried to rehab that, revive that, well didn't work, ended up selling that off couple of years later.

Recent years, he's become a proponent of universal basic income. It's only when you know all of those liberal bonafides that Hughes has that you start to understand the real thinking behind his call to break up the social media giant. His main gripe is this, "I'm disappointed in myself and early Facebook team for not thinking more about how the news feed algorithm could change our culture, influence elections and as my favorite empower nationalist leaders." Trump. Well, there it is. My guess is that if Hughes thought Facebook was amplifying the right voices, meaning the left voices then there wouldn't be the need for this correction. There are plenty of issues with Facebook, privacy, monopoly, power et cetera. All of which we've documented on this show. But to suggest that the movements around the globe in Europe and beyond things like Brexit, the rise of Trump's economic policies, they are only popular because of Facebook is just ludicrous. Completely missing the point. And at bottom I think this is typical leftist snobbery. We don't like your ideas, so they can't be organic. It's kind of like the way they treated the Tea Party back in 2010. They called it all Astroturf. It didn't matter.

Well, the same thing happened with Trump's election. Disillusioned elites were so shocked that they had to create another reason for their loss. And in the end, well the breakup of Facebook - it might even be a good idea, but the reasons are putting forth aren't that convincing. So, with the emergence of these social media companies as the main vehicle for disseminating free thought to break them up on these grounds could actually have a chilling effect on speech that some of the former leaders or even current leaders of Facebook don't like.

Joining me now for this very big topic Mollie Hemingway, Senior Editor at The Federalist, a Fox News Contributor and Raheem Kassam, who is the Global Editor-in-Chief of the brand new newly launched, relaunched Human Events. Raheem, it's great to see both. Why does the left always want to silence the views of those who disagree with their world view?

RAHEEM KASSAM, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, HUMAN EVENTS: Well, I think these guys in particular a different kind of left. They're a liberal left, they're left that hasn't necessarily gone through academic rigors. Some of our good counterparts on the left have. So, they actually don't have arguments behind what they believe in. And when you are operating in a vacuum of arguments, the best way to defeat your opponent is to silence them rather than take them on. And I think that's what's happening in Silicon Valley at the moment.

I think this is a very important op ed and very long one, by the way.

INGRAHAM: 6000 words.

KASSAM: 6000 words. Even for somebody like me who reads copy all day every day. That was a bit too long, but it's important because he is a leftist and it's important because he is somebody who was there at the founding. It's all well and good me going on television and go on Facebook bans me.

INGRAHAM: I espouse Zuckerberg. He had same a couple of years.

KASSAM: Exactly.

INGRAHAM: He's at this house, kissed this kid. I mean they're friends, but I don't know how friendly.

KASSAM: We should just take it very, very seriously, I think.

INGRAHAM: Dustin Moskowitz the other co-founder of Facebook tweeted out, I guess in response to saying Chris's op ed said this, If the goal is to improve democracy, we should break up Fox and Sinclair first. He deleted that. Real quick, but of course.


INGRAHAM: Deleting tweets doesn't really work.

HEMINGWAY: But it gets at this underlying issue, which is that online, which is the primary means by which we discuss politics and have political engagement. There are these efforts to shut down conservative speech and there are serious issues that need to be dealt with. It doesn't mean that using government power is the way to do it.

But even the way that they're talking about it is if the opposite were true as if online space is such a friendly place for any right perspective is completely at odds with what we have seen from a lot of these tech giants that D platform conservatives that limit what people can say and that's a big problem that I mean we are going to see some people pushing for regulation. And I think there need to be some smart answer.

INGRAHAM: It's a very tricky thing, because there is an impulse in me and in part that these things are so big and so - they have a billion people on the platforms, WhatsApp and Mollie on WhatsApp all-day. Snapchat and of course Facebook, all combined, they bought both companies a couple of years back. That's a huge, huge imprint. On the other hand, for the government to step in and say, we're going to cut this, cut this.

It's not clear that that's going to bring about more free speech. I don't understand how that necessarily will bring about more free speech, because I want to play something this is not from a conservative by the way, this is CNBC professor. I spoke out I think yesterday when this whole controversy emerged from this op ed. Let's watch


ARUN SUNDARARAJAN, PROFESSOR, NEW YORK UNIVERSITY: Breaking up Facebook by itself isn't really going to solve some of the core issues that Facebook has faced criticism for the fact that social media platforms have led to political polarization. The fact that users have very limited if not any privacy rights. None of these things are going to be addressed by the breaking up of Facebook, it's sort of rooted in 20th century economics.


INGRAHAM: Trust busting. So, breakup. His point is - it's led to the polarization. No, polarization Mollie, you've written about this - has been created because globalization ran over the middle class and Europe and France and Britain and Italy and Sweden even with a mass migration of us, so polar - globalization open borders has hurt a lot of people, it has nothing to do with Facebook.

HEMINGWAY: Well, I don't know entirely though. I mean I think that there are issues with Facebook and there are problems, but there is I'm not a fan of laws about monopolies, but we do have these laws and there are a lot of privileges that have been accorded to some of these tech giants.

On the premise that they are these open platform areas where anybody can speak, but they're not actually behaving that way. And I think that that is something that can be looked into. Should they receive these privileges of sort of government help when they are - and they are in some cases a monopolistic type enterprise. Now, I don't have a huge problem with that but there are laws governing these things and I think that they need to behave in such a way as to not take advantage of their--

INGRAHAM: Yes, Raheem, conservatives always, we can't do antitrust. That's a liberal thing. Sure. Margaret Thatcher loves small business. She was very distrustful of these large multinational corporations and this is the among the biggest of the big, Mollie is right. They can squash you; poor old David Horowitz keeps getting banned from various platforms, seems like what did I do. It always happens to go the conservative way.

KASSAM: Yes, I actually disagree with a lot of the conservative voices out there that are pushing back against the idea of regulation somehow. Number one, regulation doesn't have to be an active government thing. They can just stop undergirding what keeps some of these companies up like the Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, get rid of that and then you'll see more competition. I actually agree with Chris Hughes in his article as well if you do breakup Facebook, I think it allows for competitors to move into the space a little bit easier, only a little bit easier.

But it's still a little bit easier and I think the other thing we need to recognize when it comes to the platform access issue is that we are now talking about this in civil rights terms, because the public square is actually no different from the digital public square and anybody who thinks that is going to go apart rather than more together they're living in cloud cuckoo land. INGRAHAM: By the way, I added to their empire incorrectly, Facebook does not own Snapchat. They own Instagram.

KASSAM: Instagram.

INGRAHAM: Massive, massive. Panel, thank you.

HEMINGWAY: Thank you.

INGRAHAM: I think we are going to see some movement on this. It'll be coming up in the campaign. Elizabeth Warren, Dick Blumenthal all speaking about this issue.

Also, tonight, the liberals are coming, the liberals are coming for your chicken.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Two colleges are pushing to boot Chick-fil-A from their campuses. Cal Polytech faculty and Trinity University students voting to remove the fast food chain over their alleged anti-LGBTQ views.


INGRAHAM: Well, this comes after successful efforts last month that banned the fast food restaurant from airports in San Antonio and Buffalo. But these actions have produced what I like to call a boycott backlash as Chick-fil-A is now the third biggest U.S. restaurant chain after sales have tripled in the last decade. Joining me now, Guy Benson, Fox News Contributor, Host of The Guy Benson Show on Fox News Radio. And Kevin Walling, Democratic strategist. All right, Guy, critics would have you believe that because Chick-fil-A's board has given money to things like the Christian Fellowship, Youth Fellowship or to YMCA that this is an organization that is routinely discriminating against gays and lesbians and hiring and in service. What is the truth?

GUY BENSON, CONTRIBUTOR: Both of those claims are false and totally baseless. Right. I frankly I'm mystified by this obsession with Chick-fil-A.

INGRAHAM: For years, they've been obsessed with these years, I'm hungry even having this conversation by the way.

BENSON: They keep getting angrier and we keep hearing about them like are we still doing this - we're still doing this. Meanwhile, Chick-fil-A keeps growing. And here's why now. This is going to be really shocking. They make really delicious fried chicken products and they have reliably friendly service and clean restaurants. Imagine that combination. And they're only open six days a week and they're still crushing it. The product is what matters and all this other noise I guess it makes headlines and there's these activists on campus depriving deliciousness of other students. That's their loss. People are going to find their way to the products that they want and they're clearly making their way to Chick-fil-A.

INGRAHAM: Yes. It's been seven years since Dan Cathy, he's the Founder of Chick-fil-A, a firm biblical marriage in an interview and yet the LGBT lobby has not dropped the matter. We're still told that eating Chick-fil-A chicken nugget is an act of bigotry against homosexuals because of views expressed by Dan Cathy during Obama's first term in office. The problem here is if you are going to say that people who believe in biblical marriage, basically don't deserve to be in the public square selling or even speaking because you're hearing that pushback as well, that's a lot of people who are just removed from the American understanding, American current life.

KEVIN WALLING, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Yes, Laura, as a full disclaimer, I survived on Chick-fil-A all throughout college and came my sophomore year at Catholic University. I loved it. So, the same respect given to people's views and a corporation's views on different issues should be given to protesters who choose to take their dollars elsewhere. I would point out that not only do they provide a welcoming environment, but the key thing that we should focus on is the zero percent rating from the Human Rights Campaign on their employee practices, right, so they don't support adoption rights. They don't support spousal benefits for same sex couples. So, I think there is a little bit of an argument for these activists to make there. But again, to Guy's point, it's good chicken. I survived on it and we got to see the difference here.

BENSON: I have no problem, Laura. If someone like I'm gay, I eat at Chick- fil-A, I'm more of a Wendy's guy, I'll admit, but Chick-fil-A is delicious. If someone feels so strongly about some of the issues that you brought up, that's fine, you don't have to go and eat there.

INGRAHAM: Don't go to Chick-fil-A.

BENSON: But don't try to like to agitate to get these things banned from schools and airports. A lot of us want to eat that stuff. Don't try to impose that on the rest of us.

INGRAHAM: But it's amazing that some of these colleges and universities, the boards of trustees and the administrators, most of them, not all, but just wilt at the first sign of going to get 10 letters and they just - we decry the bigotry of Chick-fil-A. I'm like what bigotry are they talking about.

BENSON: Conservatives. Need to step up too.

INGRAHAM: Right, conservative alarms do. They have to say - or any hungry alarms have to step forward.

WALLING: I think Pete Buttigieg, Mayor Pete had an interesting line. He said, I disagree with the politics of Chick-fil-A, but it's pretty OK chicken, right. And he wants to be a bridge those folks that are up in arms about this issue and we should find a bridge to Chick-fil-A into those activists and see if we can bridge that gap. If it can be bridge.

INGRAHAM: This is a restaurant chain. They're not denying access to people based on their political beliefs, but everyone has the right to their own beliefs about whether it's about affirmative action or immigration or marriage or. And millions and millions and millions and millions of Americans agree with Dan Cathy. And so are all of them horrible, awful, rotten people. The left is going way too far on this and there is a big backlash. These boycotts are on at the Chick-fil-A are - they're helping Chick-fil-A.

BENSON: I also think it's exhausting to a lot of people. Everyone just chills the hell out and eat some tasty chicken and move on with your life. Here's a thing. I'm also a fan maybe too much of a fan of Ben and Jerry's ice cream, right. Some of them are Ben and Jerry's flavors are delicious and I indulge in that maybe from time-to-time I cannot stand the politics of those--

INGRAHAM: Me neither.

BENSON: At all.

INGRAHAM: Since I was in college.

BENSON: But I'm not sitting here saying I'm choosing to buy their product, because it's good. And I'm like let's shut down the locations on campus.

INGRAHAM: I want to show you guys. This is a list of the groups that Chick- fil-A has donated to. OK. These are the ones that are - they're so objectionable. Fellowship Christian athletes Salvation Army and Paul Anderson youth home. Kevin what's the problem here.

WALLING: Yes, I mean there are some issues with the Salvation Army in their treatment especially of transgender folks in their different community centers. I think we've come a long way actually with Chick-fil-A, they actually used to--

INGRAHAM: They do no good.

WALLING: They actually used to support - no, the Salvation Army supports a lot of important causes. I think we've come a long way from their supportive ex-gay ministries right. Conversion therapy that we saw in 2011, 2012. That was the big--

INGRAHAM: Obama was for traditional marriage like five seconds ago.

WALLING: Absolutely.

INGRAHAM: So, most of the Democrat party.

WALLING: We're talking about conversion therapy, which is really bad for LGBT kids in this country and youth and I think we can both agree on that. And they've come a long way from that.

INGRAHAM: Yes, and I think again instead of more speech and more debate, they want to demonize people with whom they disagree. I'm not demonizing--

WALLING: Let's have a debate.

INGRAHAM: Debate it. Like have a conversation.

WALLING: More speech, more debate, more chicken.

INGRAHAM: I'm very hungry. it's late. All right, guys. Thanks so much. And this week we documented firsthand how much trouble we're having - keeping our border security. You saw the pieces. You saw the interviews we did. So, why are some demanding that we continue to overextend ourselves overseas, defending the borders of other countries. And what did that end up costing us. And why are you being blamed for all that. We'll explain next.


INGRAHAM: President Trump has stood against the interventionist strain that runs through much of the Republican Party that he now leads. The endless war in Afghanistan for instance provides a perfect example of how this all plays out. So, the President has long advocated for immediate drawdown, even folks once affiliated with his administration like former National Security Advisor, H.R. McMaster are saying this.


H.R. MCMASTER, FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR: There is this defeatist narrative now that is inaccurate and doesn't reflect what's at stake and oftentimes doesn't reflect the actual situation. A young student stood up and he said, all I've known my whole life is war. Now he's never been to war, but he's been subjected I think to this narrative of war weariness.


INGRAHAM: Oh! My God, I cannot believe he worked in the administration. Did you get that. America's war weariness isn't rooted in fact just fell down from the sky or Trump made him feel that way. This is lunacy. The benefit of fighting a war is thousands of miles away has to be a parent to people especially after a decade plus.

Here now retired U.S. Army Colonel Doug MacGregor. Colonel, are the Americans the ones to blame for their war weariness? I've heard a lot of nuttiness when it comes to foreign policy coming from the Republican Party. But that's about it.

DOUG MACGREGOR, RETIRED U.S. ARMY COLONEL: Well, I think McMaster expresses an opinion that's widely held in neocon circles here in Washington and inside the Pentagon and that is that the war is an end in itself. There is no connection to policy analysis or coherent strategy. The idea is you've got to keep the war going. And when you ask questions, you're obviously ignorant. The President is a fool. Why does he continue to ask why are we there? We've spent $6 trillion, lost thousands of lives. We have more enemies than we had 19 years ago, what are we doing.

INGRAHAM: We can't even get the actual figure really for how much we've spent. It's kind of hard to track that down. Some goes between 2 trillion and 6 trillion. But we have some figures here. In Iraq, 822 billion, it's got to be more than that way, do you think, way more.

I saw that number, I'm like there is no way that can be right. Syria inherent resolve 54 billion, Afghanistan 975 billion, it's got to be more than that. Pakistan, 10 billion, that's just a drop in the bucket though, is it not. And yet we were down at the border this week. It's a shock. It is - we don't have the manpower; we don't have the judges. I've done on the right laws obviously. But these people are outmanned and overwhelmed by a porous U.S. border and we're over there and these other--

MACGREGOR: And Laura, in the meantime, 94 percent of the heroin that comes into the United States comes from Mexico. The six cartels in Mexico are shipping the opioids into the country that last year killed at least 70,000 Americans. And we're hearing General Mackenzie and CENTCOM talk about allegedly the Iranians have killed 600 Americans over the last several years and this is the justification for threatening Iran.

INGRAHAM: They want to go to war with Iran, don't they?

MACGREGOR: Yes, probably, but I mean why aren't we militarizing our border and protecting the country.

INGRAHAM: Oh, that's too obvious. Colonel, just today the Pentagon announced it shifting 1.5 billion originally targeted for the support of the Afghan security forces and other projects to the border to help pay for construction of the 80 miles of the new fence or wall, whatever we're calling it. Is Trump finally winning this fight or?

MACGREGOR: No, absolutely not. I mean it's a nice gesture, but the cartels are now flying their own unmanned aircraft so that they can pick the areas where there are no patrolmen and dump off new migrants. We've got to understand Mexico is not a normal state. It's controlled by the cartels. It's time to--

INGRAHAM: Calling it a narco. It's a narco.

MACGREGOR: It is a narco state. It's trying to militarize that border. And President Trump needs to do it, if he wants his base to come out for him, that's what he's got to do.

INGRAHAM: Well, I've got to tell you Colonel what we saw, and these are great men in the Border Patrol, it is so unfair. What's done to them. And we've got to change these asylum laws, we have to immediate turn back at the border. Colonel, thank you. It's great to see you, tonight.

MACGREGOR: Thank you.

INGRAHAM: And coming up, a little different. Friday Follies with Raymond Arroyo and it is fantastic. Stay there.


AISHAH HASNIE, CORRESPONDENT: Live from America's news headquarters. I'm Aishah Hasnie. President Trump saying the trade talks with China were productive, but no deal has been made. He also says that his relationship with Chinese President Xi Jinping remains very strong. But despite the positive words from Trump, the U.S. imposed tariffs on hundreds of billions of dollars' worth of Chinese goods today. Chinese state media says that China will not accept a deal that undermines the sovereignty and dignity of the country and will not compromise on the matters of principle. While the Pentagon announcing it will move a Patriot missile battery into the Middle East region, a pre-emptive counter to possible threats from Iran. Patriot missiles serve both surface to air and antiballistic missile rolls, an anonymous official says, intelligence shows Iranians loading missiles and other equipment onto small boats. I'm Aishah Hasnie, now back to “The Ingraham Angle.”

INGRAHAM: It's Friday night and that means it's time for Friday Follies. Radical priest tries to rehab Farrakhan, a panel of Democrats fight over 2020, and one that you want to avoid in the field.

Joining us now with all the details, Raymond Arroyo, Fox News contributor, of course "Will Wilder" author. Raymond, I thought after Farrakhan was banned from Facebook that, I don't know, his days in the spotlight might be coming to an end. But now a Catholic priest is trying to resurrect him.

RAYMOND ARROYO, CONTRIBUTOR: Laura, it is simply unbelievable. Chicago priest Father Michael Pfleger, a leftist activist, which we will get to in a moment.

INGRAHAM: Oh, God, not him.

ARROYO: Yes, he invited the controversial Nation of Islam leader to speak at his Chicago parish yesterday. The reason, he wants Farrakhan back on Facebook. Watch.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Minister Farrakhan has been a bold voice against injustice done against black people in this country. His voice deserves and needs to be heard.


ARROYO: To underscore the point, Pfleger broadcast Louis Farrakhan's visit from his parish on Facebook, flouting their ban, even though Farrakhan was banned from the social media site in part because of his allegedly anti- Semitic speech.


LOUIS FARRAKHAN: To the white people who think I'm a hater, you don't know me. Somebody made you hate me. This is just the beginning. Banning me from a social platform. I used that platform with respect. And I'm here to separate the good Jews from the satanic Jews.


ARROYO: Laura, this man, he is out of his mind. And for Pfleger to think that this is appropriate or in any way social justice to bring a man like this spouting hatred and anti-Semitism to a Catholic church, frankly, it is amazing to me that the Chicago archdiocese hasn't intervened here, Laura. Outrageous.

INGRAHAM: Pfleger has been doing this nonsense, this type of stuff, Raymond, for years. And yet the Vatican looks the other way, there is no comment. Pfleger has been a nightmare, frankly, for a lot of Catholics in the Chicago area and frankly across the country for a long, long time. We should've brought Pfleger on our Facebook panel that we had a few minutes ago. We should have brought him on.

ARROYO: Here's the thing. At one point, Pfleger said America is the greatest sin, it's the greatest sin against God, and he called for a gun owner who owned a shop, he asked people to snuff out the owner of a gunshot. Now the president of the Illinois Holocaust Museum, Fritzie Fritzshall, herself a survivor of the holocaust, said today, quote, "I don't understand Father Pfleger because I've always thought he was one for peace. What he is doing today and what he is doing with Farrakhan is giving him a platform for hatred, hatred he has spoken for many, many years."

Laura, this is just the beginning of this. And hopefully it's not the last we hear of people speaking out against this kind of hatred. But Pfleger should be ashamed of himself.

INGRAHAM: Tell us about the CNN panel. What happened there?

ARROYO: Speaking of unexpected reactions, CNN gathered a panel of Democrats in Pennsylvania to try to get a pulse on how Democrats are feeling going into 2020. Then came the ultimate question.


ALISYN CAMEROTA, CNN ANCHOR: How many of you feel confident today that a democrat will win in 2020?


ARROYO: Later, a fight broke out. It was crickets, Laura. Only two of them raised their hand. Later a fight broke out over the gender of the Democratic nominee or what it should be.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I still don't know if the country is ready for a woman. We want to think they are, but I'm not convinced.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If they are not ready, we have to make it ready. It is time for a woman to run this country. Why not?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I want a woman president more than anything else in this world. When I was a little girl, I wanted to be the first woman president.


INGRAHAM: That's nice. First of all, what I am still trying to get over is Alisyn Camerota saying this, Raymond, after only two or three people raised their hands about whether they're confident. Hmmm, wait, who picked the composition of this panel. What producer is going to get the boot because of this, embarrassing CNN?

ARROYO: But Laura, you saw something very illustrative there. You are seeing a glimpse of 2020 in the Democratic Party. At the moment, they lack unity. There is no clear governing agenda or something to rally them together except hatred of Trump. That's it.

But what you are seeing and what I think you are going to see more of is a collapse into gender and identity politics that could rip them apart. And really, that could be a multiheaded hydra going into 2020 and pave the way for Donald Trump.

INGRAHAM: They're a mess.

ARROYO: Laura, we've been having some very bad weather down here in Louisiana where I am right now, and the other day, a local reporter, Lester Duhe, decided to use a prop to show how high the water was. He decided to use a crawfish. Bad choice.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And a number of people are actually here looking for crawfish. He just got me on actually on TV. Wow, that hurt.



ARROYO: Laura, the only good kind of crawfish is one that has been boiled when you snap its head off. That's it. That's the only kind that you should --

INGRAHAM: Raymond, I thought it was going to be the other day when that man rung the doorbell, and then the snake bit him.

ARROYO: The snake bit him.


INGRAHAM: This was sold to me as a crawfish biting a nose.

ARROYO: No, no, just a finger.

INGRAHAM: Just a finger? What is that getting us, the finger? We want the whole nose taken off, OK? Not really, it's just funnier that way.

ARROYO: No, I know.

Laura, I have a big book signing here in New Orleans before I go. Tomorrow, Saturday, at Octavia Books uptown, 3:00 p.m., I'll be signing copies of the "Will Wilder" series, so everybody come out and see me. RaymondArroyo.com, details are there. See you next week.

INGRAHAM: All right, Raymond, we'll see you next week.

And the toxic masculinity culture created by the left condemns boys for being men. But is the impulse to step up and save others from danger really something we should be tamping down? Dr. Drew Pinsky joins me with analysis next.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Boys will be boys.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Boys will be boys.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Gillette updating its classic best a man can get slogan for the MeToo era, encouraging men to take a stand against so-called toxic masculinity.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They don't want to be held accountable. It is toxic masculinity, that's not actual masculinity.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Toxic masculinity is tied so closely to masculinity itself.


INGRAHAM: You hear a lot of that these days, that men should act manly without being toxic, whatever that means. Boys need to be taught to soften their edges lest they step over the line because of all that testosterone.

That's why I think it's important at times to highlight those moments when man's natural strength and chivalry and, yes, courage saves lives. Take the heroes from two recent shootings. When a gunman opened fire at a UNC Charlotte campus just 10 days ago, 21-year-old Riley Howell charged at him, was shot point blank, but still knocked the shooter off his feet. Then there is 18-year-old Kendrick Castillo. He lept from his deck Tuesday at a Colorado STEM school when a shooter entered the classroom. While he confronted the suspect with little regard for his own life, others rushed to safety. Kendrick, tragically, was killed, but because of his bravery, well, something Kendrick's father remembered about him.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's no surprise that if danger wasn't facing him, he would approach it.


INGRAHAM: Oh, my God, I bawled when I saw that today. Unbelievable young man.

But what possesses men to ask this way? For answers, I want to bring in Dr. Drew Pinsky. We've talked about these issues before, Dr. Drew, but these two cases, I have goosebumps hearing the dad, his loss, his sadness. But the heroism and the sacrifice from young men, 16, 17, 18 years of age, not here to speak their own story, their own truth, but incredible.

DR. DREW PINSKY, CELEBRITY DOCTOR: There is a tendency for the males to turn their aggression, which is what people worry about with toxic masculinity -- turn aggression into a positive impulse. Whether they are landing at the beach in Omaha or whether they're rushing a shooter, there is a natural tendency that they actually learn through something called rough-and-tumble play, that is automatic in young males, where they learn to sort of modulate their aggression, but they also learn how to turn it up so they know when it's time to bring it on.

INGRAHAM: But so much in society today, let's face it, discourages men from believing there is a natural impulse to be chivalrous or show this type of physical courage. If you say physical courage, your stereotyping. And obviously women can be courageous and are courageous every day. So you see what I'm saying, there is a push and pull with this masculinity.

PINSKY: Right, I absolutely agree with you. It is not an exclusive club. It's not that Brienne of Tarth on "Game of Thrones" is not a heroic figure, and the rest of the males in there are somehow exclusively heroic. Women can be heroic, too. It's just because of the aggression, because of the thing that makes us toxic, it also makes us do some of the things that have pushed society forward and also have helped people in extreme situations where there's an extraordinary amount of selflessness. But it's aggression, ultimately it's aggression, and we are turning our aggression on an aggressor. And it's OK, then.

INGRAHAM: There's another issue here, with one of the suspect in the Colorado school shooting which is being overlooked in some quarters. It was a transgender male in the process of transitioning, OK, so from female biologically to male. And assuming, because in transition, likely taking hormones, testosterone, and so forth, what would that series of drugs do, or how could it affect the mental state of an individual, given how little we have as far as information on the way these drugs affect behavior, especially the testosterone?

PINSKY: That is correct. So we have very limited research on this topic, and I know of no evidence that it turns people actually violent. But when you expose people to male levels of testosterone, I've taken care of many, many transgender folk over the years, and whenever -- I particularly get sort of, I wouldn't say amused, but I am interested in talking to the female to male transition patients, because they always say the same thing. They're like, oh, my God, I had no idea you were dealing with this. And I point out to them, not only have we been dealing with this chemically in our system, God saw fit to give this at 13.

INGRAHAM: I want to read something to you. I want to read something. This is is from Dr. Paul McHugh and Dr. Paul Hruz. They said "The truth is that this therapy may have real long-term effects on children's physical and psychological development. Whether blocking puberty is the best way to treat gender dysphoria remains far from settled. And it should be considered a drastic and experimental measure."

Johns Hopkins, and University of Washington, too, the premier researchers on this. Others who use these drugs say the same thing. Hey, we don't have peer-reviewed studies on this yet. Parents are giving kids of these drugs before the age of 18, before they can give real consent even.

PINSKY: We don't have the research. You've said it, that is clear, that is true. And so for me to say something conclusive about aggression and violence, I can't do it. But testosterone is the drug of aggression. And so there is a certain amount.

Laura, I want to tell you one quick thing that bothers me, though, is that we've gotten to a position in this country where we privilege psychiatric symptoms over the well-being of the individual and the community. So if this kid was having a lot of symptomatology, no one was allowed to do anything if the kid didn't want anything done, unless the parents demanded it. With the 18-year-old, you can't do anything. There is privilege in the law for psychiatric symptoms. That is why we have homeless, and that's why we're getting some of these horrible, violent acting out episodes.

INGRAHAM: Dr. Drew Pinsky, always great to see you on a Friday night, any night. Dr. Drew, you take care.

PINSKY: Thanks.

INGRAHAM: Coming up, protesters turn the tables on that shameful Democratic lawmaker who harassed pro-life teenagers. Tonight, their mom is here, and boy, is she angry. How she and the rest of the pro-life community are hitting back. That's next.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I've got $100 to anybody who will identify any of these three that I'm going to donate to Planned Parenthood.




UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What we've got here is a bunch of protesters, a bunch of pseudo-Christian protesters, who have been a shaming young girls for being here. So here's the deal. I've got $100 to anybody who will identify any of these three that I'm going to donate to Planned Parenthood.

Today's protester now, she is an old white lady who is going to try to avoid showing you her face. Shame on you. What you are doing here is disgusting.


INGRAHAM: There are new developments tonight regarding that disgraceful Pennsylvania state rep. His name is Brian Sims. You might remember that he was caught harassing the pro-life teens outside of Planned Parenthood clinic in Philadelphia earlier this week, also the elderly woman. Well, today in response, I love this, hundreds of pro-lifers hit back in a show of force, in prayerful force outside of that clinic.

Guess who was too scared to show up to bully more teenagers and more people? That's right, Brian Sims. Joining me now is Ashley Garecht, who was harassed alongside her daughters by Sims. Ashley, first of all, you are a hero to me. I love the fact that you stared him down when this first thing blew up in front of the clinic. And just for our viewers who did not see what he said afterward, I want to play it. Let's watch.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have seen firsthand the insults, the slurs, the attacks, and the racism of those protesters, and at mostly young girls going there for clinical care. I know that two wrongs don't make a right, and I can do better, and I will do better.


INGRAHAM: That was his version of an apology. Was that OK by you?

ASHLEY GARECHT, DAUGHTERS HARASSED BY PENNSYLVANIA STATE REPRESENTATIVE: No. At no point did he make an actual apology. I believe in that video he is really only referencing his interaction with the other woman. He never made any reference to his encounter with my daughters and their friend. He certainly doesn't address the fact that he approached them aggressively, verbally harassing them, threatening, and takes no accountability for his actions. He literally never says "I'm sorry." So that's not an apology.

INGRAHAM: Imagine if the shoe were on the other foot here. Imagine if this was some conservative legislator shaming or trying to shame girls at a pro-choice rally, and tried to intimidate them and verbally harass them, as he was doing, and then offered that kind of apology. The left would be laughing him -- and they will be demanding his resignation. Are you demanding that he resign, he step aside?

GARECHT: I think Mr. Sims has made it clear that he is an elected official who does not understand the fundamental rights than American citizens hold under the First Amendment, the right for free expression of religion and freedom of speech. As elected officials, it's their responsibility to protect those rights. He chose instead to infringe and attack our rights. I think that leaves him unworthy to hold the office in which he sits.

INGRAHAM: Well, the left claims to be so tolerant, don't they. They are so tolerant, except when someone disagrees with them, and is persuasive in his or her disagreement. And today, I have to ask you, how did it feel to be out there with so many great members of the pro-life community supporting the mission, supporting the cause of innocent life being protected? And it was a show of positive force. I saw the video, I loved it. I loved every minute of it.

GARECHT: Laura, it was incredible. I thought that I was overwhelmed just when the fundraiser that my husband and I launched in response to this reached $100,000 in two days. I thought that was overwhelming. But when I reached 12th and Locust today and I saw, I think my best guess is maybe there were 1,000 people there.

INGRAHAM: That's great.

GARECHT: I was overcome. I had to take a minute to compose myself because it was just incredible. The love and the power, it was unbelievable.

INGRAHAM: Ashley, good things come from an uncomfortable, awful experience, and your daughters also learned a lot. Stand up for themselves. They all talk about girl power. Your daughters showed us what girl power is, standing up to the intolerant bullies on the left. And I salute you as a mother and as a pro-life person. I am so proud of you. Good for you, and it looks like a lot more than a few hundred people, thank you very much.

And coming up, tonight's Last Bite, the left's desire to racialize everything. Stay there.


INGRAHAM: It's time for the Last Bite. Here's a play in three acts. Act one, Trump extends White House invite to World Series Champs, the Boston Red Sox. Act two, some members of the team reject the invite. And act three, leftist claim Trump is a racist as a result of some not coming. Point in case, MSNBC contributor Ron Klain.


RON KLAIN, FORMER WHITE HOUSE AIDE TO PRESIDENT OBAMA AND CLINTON: I bet he was happy today that he was able to say that the white players were here and the players of color weren't. That is the kind of division he fosters deliberately.


INGRAHAM: He should have called him the antagonist. Klain isn't just some liberal hack. He was White House aide to both President Barack Obama and Bill Clinton.

Well, that's all the time we have tonight. We had an amazing week of shows at the border, great work from the team in New York and Washington. And be sure to check out my latest podcast. Just go to Podcast One, very easy, or subscribe on iTunes. A different side of yours truly on the podcast.

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