This is a rush transcript from "The Story," November 2, 2018. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

MARTHA MACCALLUM, HOST: Before the big game. Bret, thanks so much. See you later.

So, we've got three days, four hours, and 59 minutes until Election Day officially begins. And tonight we've got two presidents in the middle of it all, battling it out in a blitz to win voter support. On the left side of your screen, that's where in moments we are going to see President Obama in Georgia. He is campaigning for gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams. This is a very hot race. One we're watching very closely. That's going to happen in a moment.

Then, on the right-hand side of your screen, another huge race, this one in Indianapolis as President Trump makes stop number two of the day. In Indianapolis, he's going to be there in the Senator Joe Donnelly and Mike Braun race. He's on the Braun side, of course, he is the Republican there. And he was in as I said, West Virginia, earlier this morning.

So, good evening everybody. I'm Martha MacCallum, live in Washington, D.C. tonight. Just a short time ago, the president said something very interesting. He acknowledged the possibility that his party could lose the House.


DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The Democrats and it could happen -- it could happen. We're doing very well, and we're doing really well in the Senate. What could happen? And you know what you do my whole life, you'd only to say, don't worry about it, I'll just figure it out.

MACCALLUM: That -- that's an unsurprising comment, right? That it -- that sounds like the way that President Trump goes through a lot of life. And this, of course, is the scene from the caravan. We also know today. And we're going to get to this in a moment.

Very strong economy, which should really in many people's minds be the main story here. But the battle over this caravan and the bruising rhetoric that surrounds it is cutting both ways with voters as some members of the caravan have now found attorneys in the United States to help them sue the White House for entry to America.

Geraldo Rivera on that in just a moment. Plus, Howie Kurtz with his analysis of brand-new polls that show who the American people actually blame for stoking the flames in all of this?

But first, Trace Gallagher has the story from our West Coast newsroom tonight. Hi, Trace.

TRACE GALLAGHER, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Martha. The class-action lawsuit was filed in federal court against President Trump, the Department of Justice, and the Department of Homeland Security. It was filed on behalf of six Honduran migrants and their children who are part of the caravan now making its way toward the U.S. border.

The lawsuit is asking the court to declare the president's policies unconstitutional. The president says, he will send up to 15,000 U.S. troops to the border, several hundred of which are already on the ground. And Mr. Trump, says undocumented migrants would be held at the border, many in tent cities. Here's how the president explained it to Laura Ingraham. Watch.


TRUMP: We're going to put tents up all over the place. We're not going to 
build structures and spend all of this -- you know, hundreds of millions of 
dollars. We're going to have tents, they're going to be very nice. And 
they're going to wait, and if they don't get asylum they get out.


GALLAGHER: The president also says that asylum seekers would be blocked 
from claiming asylum if they're caught crossing the border anywhere except 
legal points of entry. Current law says asylum seekers can make a claim 
anywhere in the United States.

Immigrant's rights activists argue that holding migrants in tent cities 
violates the Flores Act, which dictates how long and in what conditions the 
federal government can detain children. This summer a federal judge 
rejected an administration request to modify the Flores Act.

Those who filed the lawsuit also claim, the president's actions are nothing 
but a racist political ploy. But the president is not backing down, in 
fact, it appears he is doubling down.

At a rally this afternoon in West Virginia, Mr. Trump said, he won't have 
caravan after caravan of unvetted illegal immigrants flooding into the U.S. 
The president, said Republicans want strong borders, no drugs, no gangs, no 
caravans. Martha.

MACCALLUM: Trace, thank you very much. Here now, Geraldo Rivera, Fox News 
correspondent-at-large, who is been obviously following this story 
throughout. Geraldo, good to see you tonight.


MACCALLUM: You know, your thoughts on the legal side of this, and the case 
that is being made suing -- via members of the caravan suing the United 
States for entry and for the possibility of asylum.

RIVERA: First, Martha, let me just tell you where I am. I'm at the 
University of Arizona, my alma mater. I'm 60 miles from the Mexican border 
here. In a state where there is an absolute heated contentious race, a 
battle for Jeff Flake's soon-to-be-vacant Senate seat.

You've got two candidates who are fighting, both of them are pro -- you 
know, strict border enforcement. But one-third of Arizona's population is 
Latino. So, it does -- it's the fourth largest Latino population anywhere 
in the country.

Davis-Monthan, the big air base just five miles from where I'm sitting 
right now is one of the military bases that will be used -- one of the 14 
frontier bases that will be used for President Trump's deployment of the -- 
of the troops.

As I understand, not to your specific question, Martha, as I understand the 
lawsuit, what the filers are worried about -- what they are suing the 
government for is to ensure that, that caravan when it reaches the border, 
that those people are if they appear as the president has required them at 
a legal port of entry --


RIVERA: The lawyers want to make sure that those migrants are allowed if 
they so choose to request asylum. What happens when they request asylum, 
then, the due process of the United States comes into play, and they are 
required to be given a hearing before an immigration judge.

What I would like -- and now the some of the stuff in the hurry. What I 
would like is rather than the president sending troops to the border, which 
I think President Obama did it, George W. Bush did it, to no effect, 
meaning, full effect.

What I would like to see is a mobilization of immigration judges to make 
sure that those people once they request asylum are given a speedy hearing. 
Not the six to eight-month wait that the president has complained about, 
but something measured rather in days. Martha.

MACCALLUM: Yes. Well, you know what, I think that you're right about 
that. And I think they are going to need an army of immigration attorneys 
because of the Flores rule, they're going to have a small window to process 
these people in. Because as the president said, they're not going to 
release them. They will catch them, and then, they will hold them.

And if they have legitimate asylum claims which we know a very small 
percentage of the group generally has once they go through the process, 
they have -- that's in my mind, the White House's biggest jam right now. 
Because they've got a time clock that will tick on that as soon as it 
begins. How do you think they're going to handle that?

RIVERA: Well, I think, first of all, the person, the people coming up in 
the migrant caravan, generally speaking, are impoverished people, ordinary 
people who want a better life for their families. They're not an army of 
MS-13 coming. We've all seen the video. We know that.


MACCALLUM: Yes, but that doesn't mean that they can get asylum. What you 
just described is not -- is not eligible for asylum.

RIVERA: You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. Poverty is not 
a substantive reason for asylum. If so, as the president said, there are a 
billion, 2 billion poor people on earth.

MACCALLUM: That's right.

RIVERA: Under the poverty test, they would all be qualified for asylum. 
That's not these, they've got to be, for instance, the gangs killed my 
husband and they forced my daughter into prostitution, we had to get -- you 
know, there are -- there are legitimate reasons coming from -- you know, 
this hotbed of insecurity in Latin America.

But the main thing here coming back to this race between Martha McSally and 
Kyrsten Sinema. To -- you know, very highly regarded congresspeople. Both 
vying for Jeff Flake's open seat. They are both kind of tough on 
immigration, but the notion of using the military, I think is something 
that gives people pause.

And I do believe that that's why President Trump in this last -- you know, 
rally -- you know, bonanza weekend, before the election. Rally bonanza 
across the country, he is not coming here to Arizona where ordinarily, you 
would expect him to come. I think he -- even the president is afraid that 
here, he could tip this delicate balance now between the Democrat and the 
Republican, separated by less than half of percentage point. Martha.

MACCALLUM: Perhaps. Yes. I think he's trying to build essentially a 
human wall with the military. And that's his symbolic way of saying to 
Congress. You know, either you give me the wall and we fund the wall, or 
I'm going to have to have -- you know, a wall created by United States 

Because we all know that the places where people sneak in are between the 
areas that the Border Patrol is able to cover. So, he's trying to block 
those gaps and -- you know, it's going to be fascinating really that she 
had this place up.

RIVERA: I don't think they can be used -- I don't think they can be used -
- the military can be used in that fashion. I think the military can that 
they want to take water to the Border Patrol, they could provide a vehicle 
for Border Patrol.

MACCALLUM: But would they're there -- you know, in a support role.

RIVERA: In a support role.

MACCALLUM: But if they're standing there -- you know, that that's -- yes, 
they're going to be standing there. And we'll see how it close.

RIVERA: It's the message they are sending. That's the most important 
thing in Arizona, the message.

MACCALLUM: That's exactly right. That's what I'm saying. Yes. Geraldo, 
thank you. Always good to see you. Thanks for being here tonight from 
your alma mater, University of Arizona.

RIVERA: Thank you, Martha. You too. Thank you.

MACCALLUM: So, the fight has animated the worst on both sides. But a new 
poll shows that Americans put the blame just as much on the press for 
stoking the flames. Watch this.


CHRIS CUOMO, ANCHOR, CNN: This is a very big night for the President of 
the United States. He is all in on fear and loathing.

ALISYN CAMEROTA, ANCHOR, CNN: President Trump is ratcheting up his anti-
immigration rhetoric, and using the White House podium to stoked fears and 
rally Republican voters.

CHRIS MATTHEWS, HOST, HARDBALL, MSNBC: Stoking fear, anger, and anxiety, 
President Trump is going to new extremes to rile up white voters in red 
state America.


MACCALLUM: And you get the idea. And President Trump hitting back at the 
media today in another round of blame pointing. Watch this.


TRUMP: You're creating violence by your questions, you know. You are 
creating you. And also, a lot of the reporters are creating violence by 
not writing the truth. The fake news is creating violence.


MACCALLUM: Here now at the polls and the analysis, Howie Kurtz, the host 
of "MEDIA BUZZ". Howie, good to see you tonight.


MACCALLUM: What do you make about the press? He's pointing fingers. What 
do you think about all that?

KURTZ: Well, he was in asked a question about a Washington Post, ABC poll 
out today, which has a stunning finding. Which is roughly half the 
country, 49 percent blames President Trump. And roughly half the country, 
47percent, blames the news media for encouraging politically motivated 

But the question from the ABC reporter was only about that blame Trump 
part. So, he was punching back. And so now, we have this sort of 
spectacle of each side blaming the other. I tend to blame the perpetrators 
in these situations. But the media very rarely, except with this poll, 
pause to consider their own role in spreading devices.

And as you saw in those clips from other networks, that's all the president 
is fear-mongering, the president is race-baiting, the president is tearing 
this country apart. A lot of people out there think we are complicit as 

MACCALLUM: Yes. And you know, some of the references that we played in 
that montage are to immigration. They're about immigration. But the issue 
here is about illegal immigration. And I think that people do respond to 
that, you know.

They say, wait a minute. No, that's not we're talking about. And they can 
feel that they're sometimes being kind of bulldozed into thinking of it in 
those terms. And I think they do react negatively to that at times.

KURTZ: The press has absolutely been pounding the president as the major 
midterm theme. He is using immigration to rile up his base and all that, 
and they come out and say some commentators some journalists, race-baiting 
and it's inflammatory, and all of that.

But the way in which it's covered is also divisive. And what the message 
that the press is sending by putting all the onus on President Trump, is 
that a lot of millions of Americans saying, they don't care very much about 
the very real problems created by illegal immigration. They just want to 
use it as a battering rehab against the president. At the same time, the 
president's rhetoric has gotten pretty hot. Sometimes uncomfortably hot.

MACCALLUM: Absolutely. I want to switch gears for a moment and ask you. 
Senator Chuck Grassley, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee is now 
investigating two false claims about Judge Kavanaugh during that whole -- 
you know, brouhaha.

And we remember that at the time, there were a lot of Democratic Senators 
who were saying -- you know, there's all these other claims, we're getting 
other phone calls that are coming in, and told we investigate every one of 
these -- you know, this is not a legitimate vote that we're taking.

Let me put up one of the sort of findings of this investigation that was 
released today. This is a woman named, Ms. Munro-Leighton, who claimed to 
be the author of an anonymous allegation regarding Justice Kavanaugh, 
originally sent to Senator Harris.

When questioned by the committee investigators, she admitted that she had 
fabricated the claim, and she confessed to the committee investigators that 
she just wanted to get attention. It was a tactic, and that it was just a 

KURTZ: This is a really serious matter. And I remember when there was a 
white-hot debate over Christine Blasey Ford versus Brett Kavanaugh, and a 
lot of people took Christine Blasey Ford's allegations seriously, though 
they were never corroborated.

But then, with some of these other women jumped in, including Julie 
Swetnick, who's their subject the first referral from Senator Grassley.

I think it muddied the waters because their claims were outlandish, didn't 
have any backup whatsoever, and now we have the second woman who had been 
anonymous saying, yes, I made it up. Which sort of plays into what the 
critics of the -- of the people who are going after Judge Kavanaugh, who 
were saying, which is you can't necessarily believe anybody who comes out 
of the woodwork without evidence.

MACCALLUM: You know, and you had reporters like Jane Mayer -- you know, 
publishing stories that were not corroborated.


MACCALLUM: Based on the same sort of situations --


KURTZ: Julie Swetnick ended up backing off in an NBC interview. She said 
he spiked the punch, no, I didn't see it. She claimed that she witnessed 
all these gang rape parties. It simply was incredible. I don't know what 
will happen or the referral to the Justice Department, but it does show you 
that in that overheated atmosphere, media in particular and the public and 
the politicians have been very, very careful about these explosive claims 
if there's no corroborating evidence.

MACCALLUM: He's pursuing it. And it's important, obviously to stick to 
the facts. Howie, thank you very much. Good to see you tonight.

KURTZ: Good to see you here in Washington.

MACCALLUM: So, in Florida, two candidates try to win over Miami voters, 
where the district is increasingly purple. You've got wealthy 
neighborhoods, you have many Cuban Americans there. You have a lot of 
folks who fled New York and New Jersey for the Sunshine State. So, it's a 
real interesting mix of Florida voters. And it is making for quite a race 
between Maria Salazar and Donna Shalala, that's coming up next.



TRUMP: Hundreds of thousands of children born to illegal immigrants are 
made automatic citizens of the United States every year because of this 
crazy lunatic policy that we can end, that we can end.


MACCALLUM: President Trump hammering home his opposition to birthright 
citizenship heading into Tuesday's elections and it is front and center in 
Florida's hotly contested 27th district. Democrat Donna Shalala is up 
seven points over Republican Maria Salazar in the latest New York Times 
poll, but only a few days earlier Salazar led Shalala by two points in a 
Mason-Dixon poll. So in this heavily Hispanic district, Salazar initially 
went after the president in this tweet saying this. President Trump, our 
Constitution is sacred. Birthright citizenship is protected and you cannot 
change that by executive order. But now says that the 14th Amendment 
should "be reviewed."

Here to tell us about that House Republican candidate Maria Salazar. Good 
to have you with us this evening. I should mention that we have also 
reached out to your opponent and we are hopeful that she will join us on 
Monday evening. But you heard the President, he said this is a crazy 
lunatic law when he refers to the 14th Amendment. Do you agree with him?

that we need to look for an immigration reform law and that is one of them 
-- my signature plan. Because look what you were talking about in the 
previous segment, look at the caravan that is arriving. What are we going 
to do? We need to and I have called for an immigration reform law but not 
only that, for a summit meeting where President Trump can really show his 
leadership, where he should call for a summit meeting between the president 
of Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala and help them keep their boys home.

That is the only way my said that is going to prevent another caravan from 
occurring. Because as you were saying before, the Honduras is one of the 
most explosive countries in the hemisphere. It has one of the highest 
murder rates in the world. So what do you think those people are going to 
do? And I'm not saying that we need to allow them in, I'm not saying that 
we cannot protect or we should not protect our borders, what I'm saying is 
that we need to find a solution. And since I am from Miami, and we have 
hundreds of thousands of undocumented aliens in my town, and I know them 
very well, I know what the solution is.

At one point I was the Central American Bureau Chief for Univision. I 
lived in Guatemala, I lived in El Salvador, in Nicaragua, and in Honduras, 
and I know what they need. And I saw President Reagan showing leadership 
in helping those people, in helping their governments to have to keep their 
boys home.

MACCALLUM: Understood. You know, when you look at your district though, 
and you know, I mean, people have been trying to do what you're suggesting 
and come up with comprehensive immigration reform for decades and I think 
it's one of the greatest frustrations that the American people have because 
both sides just like using it against each other too much in elections 
essentially to get anything done, but talk to me really quickly about your 
district. I only have about a minute left, because it was a Republican 
district, a lot of Cuban Americans live there. However, it also has you 
know, a lot of you know, northeasterners who've moved to that area. So 
what do you think is the most important thing for them? What are they 
going to use to decide between the two of you?

SALAZAR: Well, the fact here is that I was born, raised, and I have worked 
on television in this town for 35 years. And that's why I'm sure the 
voters are going to prefer me over my opponent because Mrs. Shalala does 
not belong to the melting pot. See Miami is the ultimate melting pot in 
the United States and you need to be part of that social fiber. You need 
to be part of the ultimate melting pot in order to be able to represent 
them in the House of Representatives. I mean the name says it, the House 
of Representatives. And in reality, I am -- I am the person that could 
represent them the best because not only I speak the language but I they 
get me and I get them. You cannot come from outside and just want to help 
-- won a review of the representative from Miami.

MACCALLUM: We're going to be watching it very closely on Tuesday night as 
all these returns come in. Thank you very much, Maria. Good to see you 

SALAZAR: Thank you.

MACCALLUM: Maria Salazar joining us from Florida tonight. So a big win 
for the White House with less than four days to go until the Midterms. You 
got these brand-new jobs numbers that show a very healthy economy as 
America heads to the polls.


TRUMP: More American today, right now, this hour are working than ever 
before in the history of our country. How good is that?



MACCALLUM: So while there is a lot to argue about out there, it's pretty 
tough for either side to not like the economic numbers that came out today. 
Today's announcement included soaring jobs numbers of 250,000 jobs in 
October. Unemployment at 3.7, haven't been there since 1969, and wages for 
workers rising 3.1 percent. That's a big part of that number, that's a 
nine-year high. So here now Economist Art Laffer who served on President 
Ronald Reagan's Economic Policy Advisory Board and did a pretty good job 
there and then later as an economic adviser to president Trump's 2016 
campaign. New book Trumponomics is out now. Art, good to see you tonight.

see you, Martha.

MACCALLUM: You know, obviously those numbers look really good. Are you 
surprised this isn't more of a focus of the Midterm discussions?

LAFFER: Not really. I mean, I think people are well aware of the 
economics. It may not be the hyperactive conversation you want to have but 
I think they're very well aware. It's just amazing. And the changes in 
tax policy, Martha, have been incredible. I mean the tax bill was amazing. 
He got it through. It's just the foundation of his policies. And if you 
look at the deregulation, I mean amazing here as well. If you look at the 
monetary policy with Powell, I mean, he's doing a great job on that. And 
the trade is --

MACCALLUM: So why is the president keep yelling at it him, Art? Because 
the presidency you know, keeps saying that he shouldn't -- he doesn't like 
the suggestion that he's going to continue to raise interest rates and the 
market was down a little bit today. I mean, that's what -- that's what 
some market prognosticators are saying as you well know, that this is -- 
that we've had the high in this GDP. What do you say?

LAFFER: Well I don't -- can't explain all of Donald Trump's conversations, 
to be honest with you. He does it -- he does it so forgive me, Martha --

MACCALLUM: We need a longer show.

LAFFER: Yes, we need a longer show but Powell is doing a good job. And 
Trump is doing a great job on trade. I mean it's working progress right 
now but Xi and he are going to meet in Argentina and there's a very good 
chance we get good trade deals with China and we need China badly because 
without China, Martha, there is no Wal-Mart. And without Wal-Mart, there 
is no middle class or lower class prosperity. The U.S. needs China and 
China for goodness sakes really needs us and I think we're moving along on 
that very well. And then look at our GDP numbers growth. I mean, those 
are pretty astounding --

MACCALLUM: Let's put the GDP number up, guys.

LAFFER: Yes, and it's just great. You got to -- I don't know if you --

MACCALLUM: So -- yes, we have it up. And so you know, obviously, very 
strong growth in the last two quarters in particular. What's your outlook 
for the next two?

LAFFER Well, I hope it continues. I mean, we need about --

MACCALLUM: Well, we all hope it continuous but you're the economists so 
what do you think it's going to do?

LAFFER: I think it's going to continue, how's that? I think we're going 
to have a very good prosperity for the next six or seven years. I think 
it's very much like the Reagan period, like the Kennedy period, and like 
the Clinton period, not Hillary, Bill. It's -- I think we're going to have 
a very strong economic growth for the next five or six years and we'll get 
back to the types of prosperity we really would need and want. And I think 
he's doing a great job on the economy and I'm an economist. I can't tell 
you about everything else but on the economy, he's as good as I've ever 
seen in the first term and he's not even halfway through it yet.

MACCALLUM: All right, so in the 30 seconds I have left, what would be your 
one thing you would say to him, but don't do this, you know, because that 
would be problematic.

LAFFER: Don't raise taxes, don't increase regulations. But the thing I 
hope he does do is where we haven't succeeded which is government spending.


LAFFER: We need to get control of government spending, entitlement 
programs, and government spending and I think that's what he is going to do 
in his next six years.

MACCALLUM: All right. And so, Art, thank you very much.


LAFFER: Thank you, Martha. It's great. I love your show by the way.

MACCALLUM: Thank you.

LAFFER: I really do.

MACCALLUM: You can come back anytime.

LAFFER: Any time you want me I'm here.

MACCALLUM: It's always good to see you.

LAFFER: Greta to see you.

MACCALLUM: It's going to be very interesting to watch with this economy 
go. It's definitely not the top of my topic, but as you say, people feel it 
in what they're doing every day.


LAFFER: Only four days left.

MACCALLUM: And we'll see what happens when they walk into this voting 


MACCALLUM: Art, thank you very much. Art Laffer joining us tonight.

LAFFER: Thanks, Martha.

MACCALLUM: So, coming up this evening, what an interesting story Missouri 
is. Watching this race, Claire McCaskill going after a fellow Democrat for 
what she said about President Trump, and she is not alone as Democrats 
fight to win in red states. They have some very surprising messages out 

Former DNC chairwoman Donna Brazile is here with a message for them tonight 
on the Story, when we come back.


MACCALLUM: Some red state Democrats, if you listen closely, sound a bit 
like Trump supporters in this election. Among them, at risk Indiana Senator 
Joe Donnelly with this morning on the campaign trail.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The radical left wants to illuminate ICE.

SEN. JOE DONNELLY, (D) INDIANA: I support ICE, funding Trump's border 


MACCALLUM: There you go. So West Virginia's Joe Manchin split with his 
party voting yes for Brett Kavanaugh, while Montana's Jon Tester tells the 
Hill that Democrats botched the debate on the new Supreme Court justice.

Chris Stirewalt, Fox News politics editor joins us. What are you doing in 
New York, I came all the way to Washington to see you.

I'm hiding out. I knew you are coming to town so I'm laying low up here.

MACCALLUM: Good move, my man. Good move. All right. So, you know, I mean, 
obviously they are running in red states but, you know, there's all this 
sort of idea that there are so many progressive candidates out there, but 
that is certainly not what these folks think is going to win the day for 
them, Chris.

STIREWALT: Well, look, I should start out and say, I think that these 
people are sincere, right. I think they are not saying things that they 
don't mean. But I do think this. Democrats by and large took the wrong 
lessons from Barack Obama's election and it was that they don't need white 
working-class voters anymore, right?

When in fact, Barack Obama did really well with white, working-class 
voters. There were millions of Americans who voted both for Barack Obama 
and Donald Trump. There is a culturally conservative fiscally liberal 
streak that runs through a huge chunk of this electorate in states like 

This is the old new deal, Democratic coalition, and these were their 
grandchildren. And there are -- non-issues like immigration and others they 
are not liberal. They are actually quite conservative, and Democrats are 
coming around to having seen the electoral college consequences in 2016, 
and now looking at the Senate map in 2018. Some Democrats are understanding 
that they need these culturally conservative voters and they can't do it 
without them.

MACCALLUM: Yes. I mean, it so interesting because the message, you know, 
certainly in the presidential candidates that seem to be lining up for 
2020, it's completely the opposite of that. So, you know, when we 
obviously, when we see the results on Tuesday night, it's going to send a 
very big message out one way or the other to those future candidates. Won't 
it, Chris?

STIREWALT: Well, it should, but it won't. It should if there were smart 
they would pay attention to what got results and how to win. Democrats have 
to have back the upper Midwest. They have to have that back if they want to 
be competitive, they've got to rebuild the blue wall and they can't just 
leave these voters follow.

Now they are expecting a good night on Tuesday but it isn't whether they 
win or not, it's the lesson that they take from the victories that they do 
obtain and if they say, we are fine, we don't need to change anything, they 
are not paying attention.

MACCALLUM: All right. I want to take a look at the Arizona race and an 
interesting back and forth. This is obviously this is a very tight race, 
Kyrsten Sinema and Martha McSally. Listen to this exchange.


KYRSTEN SINEMA, D, ARIZONA SENATE CANDIDATE: You know in Arizona it's not new to have 
military deployment to the border to provide a support role for our customs 
and border agents who are down there. So, we wish them well and tell them 
to stay hydrated.

REP. MARTHA MCSALLY, R—ARIZONA: Sorry, I didn't mean to laugh. Wow. 
Well, my message to them is, thank you for service and your sacrifice.


MACCALLUM: I mean, this is in many ways sort of the essence of the 
difference between these two candidates, Chris?

STIREWALT: Well, yes, but. And I think the but here is, Kyrsten Sinema is 
an effective campaigner.


STIREWALT: And she has demonstrated that she has turned around 
substantially on these issues. But this is somebody who was an anti-war 
protester during the Iraq war, she was very left, left, left. But as she 
has represented a swing suburban district outside of Phoenix, what she's 
figured out is that doesn't play in Arizona. That's not what winds up with 
Arizona voters so she has recalibrated.

And here is, she's doing the same smart thing that Claire McCaskill did in 
Missouri which is, you don't -- if Trump is trolling you on sending up a 
jillion troop to the border, you don't have to take the bait. You're not 
oblige to oppose him. You can say, yes, cool border security is good, it's 
fine, and take the issue away from Republicans and that's what smart 
Democrats do, they don't squeal.

MACCALLUM: And remind them to bring their water when they go to the 

STIREWALT: And -- it's very dry out there. It's you who were just there, 
it's very dry.


MACCALLUM: Yes, it's very dry out there. Chris, thank you so much, we'll 
be spending a lot of time together over the next few days. I look forward 
to it.

STIREWALT: See you soon.

MACCALLUM: So why is Nancy Pelosi taking heat from Michael Moore for 
saying her party is going to win it, and that she will be back? Former 
Democratic National Committee chair Donna Brazile joins me next.




MOORE: -- who just automatically announced, we are going to win. And it's 
like, my God, that's what happened in 2016.




would have said if the election were held today, we would win.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What happened today that change that?

PELOSI: Now what I'm saying is, we will win.



MACCALLUM: Nancy Pelosi saying she will win it, her bold assertion about 
winning back the house not sitting well with outspoken activist filmmaker 
Michael Moore who is worried that she is getting ahead of herself. Watch 


MOORE: A Democrat--


MOORE: -- who just automatically announced, we are going to win. And it's 
like, my God, that's what happened in 2016. Everybody was throwing the 
party for Hillary before the election.

Don't think for a second that come Tuesday, they don't have every intention 
of holding onto the House and of the Senate. That is -- and they are good 
at what they do and you should respect the fact that they are able to get 
away with this.


MACCALLUM: He saying, you got to fight until the very bitter end. Joining 
me now, Donna Brazile, former DNC chairs and co-author for the new book, 
"For Colored Girls Who Have Considered Politics." Donna, good to have you 
with us.

see you. Welcome to Washington, D.C.

MACCALLUM: Thank you, it's great to be here tonight.

BRAZILE: Thank you.

MACCALLUM: So which camp are you in? Are you the optimist like Nancy 
Pelosi or the it's not over till it's over Michael Moore?

BRAZILE: I'm in both camps. Look, I come from the school that you have to 
work until the polls are closed across the country. I also believed that 
Nancy Pelosi has a real good gut instinct about what's happening out there, 
good quality candidates. She's been crisscrossing the country raising money 
but at the same time, Michael Moore is so right.

You have to keep knocking on doors. We know that during midterm elections, 
Democrats tend not to turn out. We are more infrequent voters. Republicans 
treat every election like the World Series, Democrats like the World Cup.

MACCALLUM: Well, you know, we heard the opposite for so long in this 
campaign, that Democrats were super fired up and that they were trying to 
get Republicans more fired up.

But I want to play this interesting sound bite from Claire McCaskill who is 
obviously in a neck and neck race--

BRAZILE: Yes, sure.

MACCALLUM: -- with Josh Hawley in Missouri right now. Watch this.


SEN. CLAIRE MCCASKILL, D—MO.: The crazy Democrats are people who 
walk in restaurants and scream in elected officials faces. The crazy 
Democrats are -- we have a state senator here in Missouri that actually 
advocated for the assassination of President Trump. That's a crazy 


MACCALLUM: What do you think about that, Donna?

BRAZILE: Well, there's a lot of people out there today that I would label 
as, let's just say, not civil. But the truth is, we have to tone it down. 
It's important that Democrats, Republicans and independents, that we find a 
way to tone down the rhetoric, it is hot out there. It is, as we call it in 
Louisiana, it's a nasty hot.

But at the same time people are very passionate. They are passionate about 
healthcare, they are passionate about immigration. We need to allow people 
to speak their minds without confronting them. Look, I have Republican 
friends, I have Democratic friends and friends who are independents. And 
yet, you know what I want to do at the end of the day? I want to have a 
good glass of wine, I want to watch football and drink beer.

MACCALLUM: You know, that's the old way of Washington. It certainly 
doesn't feel like that anymore.

BRAZILE: Yes. And by the way, are you wearing crimson red? Because you 
know I'm LSU. Are you not trying to send a signal here? Because go Tigers, 
go Tigers. And you see, we could talk about football without getting into a 
fight. I'm trying to put on my best shade of purple.

MACCALLUM: There you go.


MACCALLUM: So, you know, speaking of how nasty it gets, as you said.


MACCALLUM: This is Maria Chappelle-Nadal who is a state senator. I mean, 
she went after Claire McCaskill. Look at this tweet that she put out there. 
"Claire McCaskill is desperate. She is a piece of S. You know what, instead 
of knowing what people of color are angered by this administration, she 
chooses to put us and our families in harm's way. If my family is harmed, 
blame it on Claire McCaskill. She deserves to lose. She is not a Democrat." 
Your thoughts?

BRAZILE: I don't know who this person is. I know who Claire McCaskill is.

MACCALLUM: She is the state senator that Claire McCaskill is referring who 
called for the Assassination of President Trump--


BRAZILE: Well, come on.

MACCALLUM: -- which by the way she said was a mistake.

BRAZILE: Look, Michelle Obama was attacked. Barack Obama was attacked. The 
first lady has been attacked, Mrs. Trump, the president, OK? Cut it out, 
it's not what we do. These are people that we have elected to lead us, 
people that are serving as spouses. It is important that every--


MACCALLUM: Well, I mean, Hillary Clinton called for a no stability until 
after the election. Eric Holder said kick them in the knees. So you're 
against all that?

BRAZILE: I am against what the president of the United States says every 
day when he tweets. I'm against any elected officials using their job that 
we hired them to do to--


MACCALLUM: But you are saying I want to be friends with everybody. So, are 
you also against Hillary Clinton calling for a no civility and Eric Holder 
saying kick them in the knees?

BRAZILE: You know, I don't want to sit here and name calling, what are we 
trying to prove by calling out Hillary and Eric? President Donald Trump--


MACCALLUM: I'm just saying be fair on all sides when somebody is out of 
line we have to call on all sides.

BRAZILE: I have -- I have been fair. But you know what, my job is, my job 
is a citizen because I'm no longer chair of the party, is to I go out there 
and to build hope. It's to inspire the next generation to vote. I'm worried 
that we have a lot of millennials who have not yet decided to vote. This is 
-- this election impacts their future, that's what I'm worried about.

MACCALLUM: Oprah was certainly doing a good job getting out in Georgia.


BRAZILE: I love what she did yesterday, you know.

MACCALLUM: But you know, I want to bring this up. Because the economy is 
doing so well.

BRAZILE: Yes. Yes.

MACCALLUM: And Jared Bernstein who was Joe Biden's former economic advisor 
tweeting today, "Pretty much everything you could want in a monthly jobs 
report. Payroll gains way up better than expected, nice pop in labor force 
participation, wage growth continues, finally beating inflation."


MACCALLUM: You know, so he's very positive on the economy.


MACCALLUM: So, you know, when you look at that, is that a difficult 
argument for Democrats to make in terms of, you know, rolling back some of 
these tax cuts, rolling back some of the regulatory changes that have 
helped to create this economy?

BRAZILE: The Democrats what they've been saying and I've looked at a lot 
of the ads. They want an economy that works for everyone. Whether you are 
making $100,000 per year, are your--


MACCALLUM: This is what everybody is unemployment numbers are the lowest 
they've been in decades.

BRAZILE: -- are you getting paid. But you know, when Barack Obama was 
president Republicans had a hard time saying good news. I'd like to good 
news, good news. I wouldn't care if it's good news that come from a 
Democrat or Republican or independent. Good news. We want people to have 


MACCALLUM: So you think President Trump has done a good job with the 

BRAZILE: President Trump is not out there campaigning on the economy. He's 
campaigning as if people who are (Inaudible).


MACCALLUM: No, but that's not my question. My question is, do you think 
the president has done a good job with the economy so far.

BRAZILE: I think that the overall the structure of our economy is good. 
And while the White House is claiming credit just like Barack Obama claim 
credit for turning the economy around. Give credit where credit is due. We 
should not undermine people confidence in their country or the economy 
simply because they have a R or D behind their name. That's where I come 
down on all of this.

MACCALLUM: Donna Brazile, thank you very much.


BRAZILE: I want everybody to have jobs. I want to keep my job by the way.

MACCALLUM: Good to see you tonight. The book is "For Colored Girls Who 
Have Considered Politics."

BRAZILE: Thank you, Martha.

MACCALLUM: Thanks for being here, Donna. Come back.

BRAZILE: I will.

MACCALLUM: Great having you here.

BRAZILE: Thank you.

MACCALLUM: So, it has been a while of high-profile celebrity endorsements 
for candidate across the country but does the average American care about 
celebrities and whether or not they will influence their vote? And it's 
Friday, it means it's time for our ladies' night panel here to weigh in, 
that's coming up next.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This midterm election, exercising your right to vote is 
as important as ever.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are very close to election day, I just want to make 
sure that everyone knows how important it is for you to get out and vote 


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm not going to do that. November 6th, please vote.



MACCALLUM: So those are just some of the celebrities that are pushing 
voters to get involved in this election, some of them even going door-to-
door to spread their message, but can Americans really be persuaded by the 
celebrities showing up at your door? It's a question even comedy central 
had a little bit of fun with.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How will I know that I should vote.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If celebrities don't tell me to?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Does Emily Stone think I should vote?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What about John Krasinski?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Have you seen a quiet place?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, but that isn't what this is about right now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's about celebrities.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Telling regular Americans that they have to vote.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Many millennial Americans like us don't know what we 
should do until celebrities tell us what to do.


MACCALLUM: Here now ladies' night. Jenny Beth Martin, Bre Payton, and 
Marie Harf. Ladies, so has there ever been a celebrity, anybody like that 
who sort of made you inspired to vote for someone?

me personally to vote for someone but I can imagine it might make an 
average voter, I would say not exactly average, because I live, breathe, 
and sleep politics.

MACCALLUM: What do you think, Bre?

BRE PAYTON, STAFF WRITER, THE FEDERALIST: Yes. I'm going to say no. I want 
to say a hard pass. I think this is condescending and I think that we have 
proof of this. Taylor Swift came out and endorsed a Democratic candidate 
for Senate in Tennessee and it hasn't moved the needle at all. His 
Republican opponent is up by something about seven points according to Real 
Clear Politics average. Blackburn is leading that race over there.

So, I think, you know, and this is supposed to like, melts everything, this 
is supposed to be a game-changer there and it wasn't.


PAYTON: So, I think it doesn't--


MACCALLUM: You know, they are just sending -- first of all, if Will 
Ferrell showed up at my door I would just laugh hysterically. And I would -
- if he gives me that serious message about voting, I'm just thinking that 
like, somewhere in there he's kidding actually, because I think he's 


MACCALLUM: All politics aside.


MACCALLUM: But Marie, you know, Oprah Winfrey was very powerful the other 


MACCALLUM: I mean, I could definitely see her having an impact on that 

HARF: And we saw in actually 2008 Oprah endorsing Barack Obama and then 
campaigning during the primaries, particularly in South Carolina, actually 
it appears to have made a big difference in that primary. People love 
Oprah. And she doesn't get out there and talk about the Democratic Party, 
she talks about the candidate and certain principles, so I actually think 
that Oprah in a race that is as close as it's going to be in Georgia might 
make a difference.

And look, in Tennessee, I think it's still an open question. Tens of 
thousands of new voters registered in the 48 hours after Taylor Swift--


MACCALLUM: Yes. But it was the last day -- I mean, it was the last day you 
could register right before she said it.

HARF: That was -- sure, but we will see if -- she seems to have inspired--


MACCALLUM: So we will see.

HARF: -- a number of people to register. I think that a lot of these 
races, Martha, are going to be so close that even if celebrities only move 
the needle a little bit, a little but could actually matter.

MACCALLUM: Yes, absolutely. I think there are going to be a lot of very 
tight races. I think we're going to see contested races.

HARF: Yes.

MACCALLUM: I think a lot of races aren't going to be done on Tuesday 

HARF: I agree.

MACCALLUM: Speaking of celebrities, Alec Baldwin got in trouble again in 
New York City. Now I'm sort of sympathetic because of someone steals your 
parking spot in New York City, it's like, you can't do that! The president 
came out today, there he is. He always looks like he wants to punch 
somebody, right? Pretty much always has that look on his face, but 
apparently, he punched a guy over a parking spot. The president was asked 
about it today and here's what he said.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Alec Baldwin. He punched someone out during a parking 

TRUMP: I wish him luck.


MACCALLUM: And Alec Baldwin had this to say when asked to comment on what 
happened. He said, "My comment is that my show aired Sunday at 10 p.m."

MARTIN: You now, it would be, seem to be a little bit sympathetic, he's 
got four kids under the age of five, and there's a parking space in New 
York. If he didn't have a history of this, but he has a history of punching 
people, photographers flight attendants.


MACCALLUM: This could get ugly for him. He could be facing as much as a 
year in jail apparently, Bre.

PAYTON: Yes, I mean. Sadly, this is kind of a cycle for him. Whenever he 
catches a break, that he does something like this. I think the timing is 
also kind of interesting. You hear just as the show that launched, then 
he's out here doing this. I mean, I'm just saying, I think it's 

MACCALLUM: You think, he's like I think I'm going to punch someone today 
because it will be good publicity?

PAYTON: No, not on punching. I just think that this tends to happen 
whenever he catches a big break. I don't know if it's a self-destructive 
tendency that he tends to have--


MACCALLUM: it could be.

PAYTON: -- words like, I'm doing well, got to mess it up. I don't know.

HARF: I'm going to say, I am a hugely competitive parker in Washington, 
D.C., which isn't as bad as New York, but I have never punched someone. But 
like you, Martha, I can sympathize with people getting very upset about a 
parking spot. It is awful.

MACCALLUM: Yes. I have to cut to a tiny bit of road rage at times.


HARF: Me, too. I'm with you.

MACCALLUM: I can't help it. Somebody steals my parking spot, no, no!


HARF: I'm with you.

MACCALLUM: But time to punch anybody so far. Thanks, ladies. Great to see 
you all tonight. That is our Story on this Friday night. We'll see you 
again here on Monday which is election eve. Have a great weekend, 
everybody. Tucker Carlson coming up live next from D.C.

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