Do sanctuary cities endanger the public?

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," February 22, 2017. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Happens at some point. I am Greg Gutfeld with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling and he picnics on a posted stamp.


GUTFELD: Dana Perino, "The Five."

GUTFELD: There's always something heroic and romantic about taking a stand against the powers that be. Take Denver Mayor Michael Hancock, who embraced the title "sanctuary city" despite President Trump's threats to cut off his federal funding. Hancock is the type of mayor who would be portrayed saintly in movies or TV series, likely played by Martin Sheen. In such fictions, consequences are ignored even as they're played tragically in real life.

On February 7, illegal immigrant Ever Valles robbed and murdered Timothy Cruz at a train station. Nineteen-year-old Valles was freed from the county jail despite ICE agents pleading that he be kept behind bars while he awaits deportation because of his gang ties. Immigration agents asked to be told when he'd be released, the cops did so, but apparently only 30 minutes before letting him go. So off he went, free in a sanctuary city, and then may have cost the 32-year-old man his life.

It's the great deception in modern culture: Bad things call for noble names to cloak their evil outcomes. "Sanctuary city," a heartwarming title that sounds like an oasis for the innocent except for an innocent man waiting for a train.

The Denver mayor once said.


MICHAEL HANCOCK, MAYOR OF DENVER, COLORADO: If being a sanctuary city means that we value taking care of one another and welcoming refugees and immigrants, then I welcome the title.

(END VIDEO CLIP) GUTFELD: Too bad that the murdered Mr. Cruz isn't alive to tearfully applaud that sanctimonious blather.

So Dana, this story is an interesting one because you're in a sanctuary city and because of that you have -- it's about cooperation. No one is cooperating because they don't know what to do. They don't know whether they should follow the law or not. When do they turn somebody over? When they do not turn somebody over?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Denver is a place where I have a great affection for. My mom, my sister, and my dad all lived there. I have friends and family there. That was a city that was great for me growing up and I wanted to be safe and prosperous. I read all of these articles today and it's pretty clear that there's so much confusion between the local government and the federal government. It seems to me that actually could be fixed. It could be fixed under the Trump administration. One thing that the president has the power -- more power than anyone else is the power to convene.

I would get the U.S. Conference of Mayors into the White House right away with the new secretary of homeland security, General Kelly, and say, we got to work this out because Denver might say well, we gave you a 30 minute heads up. Traffic in Denver is so bad. I don't know where the buildings are located but 30 minutes doesn't seem -- that seems -- that actually almost seems like they were taunting ICE agents.

GUTFELD: Yeah. Eric, this is another instance where it's a wholly preventable murder. You can't prevent a lot of murders but this was something you could have.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Sure. I think -- let's put it this way. The mayor of Miami talking about what he's done and really when it comes down to his money. It's a function of money. So will the sanctuary cities risk federal funding on a whole slew of programs that the fed sent to the cities or will they say, you know, were going to abide by the federal law and get money for holding some of these prisoners.

These people are caught. They have committed a crime. They are being held. If they are in sanctuary cities, they don't get paid. They don't get reimbursed by the feds to pay for the cost of incarceration. But if they say we will trade information with you if you want them, you take them, then they get paid. So, I think Miami has the right idea eventually as these cities get strapped for money more and more, and if the Obama administration -- Obama.


BOLLING: . Trump administration were smart, what they would do is they would hold back some of these funds for sanctuary cities, not get everyone to jump on board.

GUTFELD: Kimberly.


GUTFELD: This is also happening in New York. Rikers island. Mayor de Blasio. They released an illegal alien gang member from MS-13.


GUTFELD: Which is basically the ISIS of gangs.

GUILFOYLE: It really is one of the most notorious gangs. They have a tremendous amount of numbers of people that have pledged allegiance to them. They specialize in drug trafficking and violent crime. They are feared even in the prison gang community. They are really just among the worst of the worst and I can tell you this because they have ties in Los Angeles at all over the country, incredibly involved criminal network.

And they specialize in recruiting and getting people so you have people that come in that are illegal immigrants and they are looking for somewhere to belong. The gangs seek them out, pray upon them, and recruit them in. It's a vicious cycle of violence and criminality. And we are only encouraging it by not upholding the rule of law here. That's all President Trump is trying to do. Apply the rule of law that is on the books, law on the books when President Obama was in, and let's do it. GUTFELD: Is that really what it is? It's about having a system. Because there's no system or people aren't enforcing the system, you have chaos. People don't know what to do.

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: This is a tragedy that never should have happened. But then again, how many times an Irish (inaudible) through Ellis island (inaudible) community crime and started organize crime.

GUILFOYLE: We didn't have that threat of radical Islamic terrorism and Jihad.


BECKEL: . big difference, right?


BECKEL: The point is every day in America, Americans get out of jail because they are overcrowded. Because of these ridiculous (inaudible). They go out. They commit crimes. We don't talk about them.

GUTFELD: Yeah, we did. We did yesterday.


GUTFELD: We talked about a guy that was out of jail because of overcrowding. I did it as a monologue.

BECKEL: He is an illegal immigrant.

GUTFELD: No, he was -- he was a legal immigrant.

BECKEL: He was legal.

GUILFOYLE: He was legal.

GUTFELD: He was legal.

BECKEL: Okay, whatever. Americans who never left this country get out of jail and go out and commits horrendous crimes. So this is not.

PERINO: Americans in the country who commit a crime aren't given the benefit of being given sanctuary.



GUTFELD: What about the American felon? I agree with you.

GUILFOYLE: Where is the ACLU to represent American legal felons?

BECKEL: Excuse me (inaudible) sanctuary cities many times myself over my life, a very important thing (inaudible) well, not really. But the -- you know, the idea for all you big, you know, states rights conservative federals.

BOLLING: I am agreeing with you. You are 100 percent right.

BECKEL: Comrade, let me finish.

BOLLING: Now I am comrade.



GUTFELD: You put the rad in comrade.


BECKEL: Probably -- they probably got a microphone right into big beast. That's (inaudible) by the way, go ahead and send your tweets. BOLLING: Focus. What's the point?

BECKEL: Focus is if you guys keep worrying about what Trump wants to do is essentially do away with the federal system and get into everybody's life. He starts to take -- he starts to take that money. Wait a minute. He starts to take money from cities, big construction jobs are going to be stopped. BOLLING: You are on the right track for a while. You go states rights matter to guys like Trump, people who are conservatives, libertarians, small government. You are right for things like marijuana law. They push that right down to states saying were not going to make a federal law.


BOLLING: I am agreeing with you. I'm trying to agree with you. But then you have to also take one step further and say -- but then federal -- Greg and Bob should not pay for funding of these laws that are being done at the state level in Colorado or in California. You want to abide by your own laws, that's fine, but pay for your own ideas.

BECKEL: I agree with that. I said it was a terrible situation. I hate the fact that my tax dollars pay for republican prisoners who get out. GUTFELD: Okay. You know, the interesting is we would have sanctuary cities and we can all leave and I could go to sanctuary city where I don't have to pay taxes.

BECKEL: That's why you are in a sanctuary city. GUTFELD: Am I where?

BECKEL: Right here.

GUTFELD: No, but I mean for my specific cost. I want a sanctuary city where I can break my loss. I don't want to pay taxes or maybe I don't want to wear clothes, Bob.

PERINO: (inaudible) comply with (inaudible) federal income tax. GUTFELD: Yeah, it is arbitrary. You're okay with this one, but what about others?

GUILFOYLE: Money incarcerating illegals that are here in the country that are committing all these crimes, like, one after the next, and all of the lawyers and the fees -- it's a tremendous amount of money. Yeah, there's a way to make the prisons not so crowded. They shouldn't be here to begin with. BECKEL: The rest of these thugs who are Americans ought to stay in jail.

GUTFELD: But it's incredibly fortunate that you don't have to take a train where you run into people who will kill you. In a car, you won't be worried when an illegal immigrant kills you like what happened to this poor guy. BECKEL: What about that woman who killed her husband and three kids? She was an American. What happened to her?

GUTFELD: This is a ridiculous argument.

BECKEL: Why? Because she's white, not brown?

GUTFELD: Yes. You got me. I'm only focusing on brown crime. How did you get me, Bob?

BECKEL: (inaudible) brown you put up there?

GUTFELD: What are you talking about?

BECKEL: Have you put any white guys up there?

GUTFELD: We are talking about sanctuary cities in which these sanctuary cities are protecting illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants, I'm sorry, come from certain countries. They are not coming from Scandinavia, Bob, I hate to tell you.

BECKEL: You started by talking about this guy.


BECKEL: . who got out and kill which is wrong.

GUTFELD: Thank you for acknowledging that. Well done, Bob. This is two days in a row that we have put up and I understand there's a lot of that among Hispanics, but there is a hell lot more whites who commit crimes in this country than are Hispanics.

BOLLING: Stop, stop, stop.

BECKEL: Yeah, what? You can prove that wrong?

BOLLING: I can prove that you are completely right. There are more whites in this country that commit crime than Hispanics. But illegals commit crime at a higher rate than the rest of the general population.

BECKEL: Higher rate than whites who are on probation?

GUTFELD: Calling people racist is the last (inaudible) of a scandal, Bob.


GUTFELD: You called me a racist.

BECKEL: I did not.

GUTFELD: You called me a racist.

BECKEL: I did not.

GUTFELD: Yes, you did.

BECKEL: I did not.

GUTFELD: Yes, you did.


BECKEL: I said we put brown people up here.

BOLLING: Yes. Bob, 80 percent of illegals in this country come from Mexico and other parts of South America.

BECKEL: And most.

BOLLING: 80 percent.

BECKEL: No, not 80 percent. How many (inaudible).

GUTFELD: How many gangs are from Canada? It's MS-13 -- Canadian MS-13. They really come down here.


BECKEL: Irish gangs in Boston. Nobody ever stops them.

GUTFELD: I guess so, yeah.

PERINO: Are you saying they should be given sanctuary?

BECKEL: Who? The Irish gangs?


BECKEL: No, they should be shot.


GUILFOYLE: What is wrong with you? Now, why you get to Irish? What is your problem?

BOLLING: We are deporting people back to their country of origin.


BOLLING: That includes illegals from other countries that may not be brown.

GUTFELD: Can we end with this sound on tape from an angel mom from last night named Laura Wilkerson talking about immigration reform?


LAURA WILKERSON, MOTHER OF A TEENAGER KILLED BY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT: Without the immigration laws being enforced, this country has run amok. In any way that he does it, there's going to be an inconvenience to people. But for myself, I think if you're not burying your child in the ground and turning around and walking away, it's not an inconvenience that you can deal with.

You know, you don't want to wait until they murder your kid until you say okay, time out, now you're in trouble. It's It's ridiculous. Nobody gets sanctuary from the law. There is nothing I could do and be given sanctuary from it, and there's no reason for anybody else to have it as well.


GUTFELD: That is the mother.

BECKEL: No murderer gets sanctuary. None. GUTFELD: That is the mother of the child that was murdered by an illegal immigrant.

BECKEL: I know but the police didn't do their job.

GUTFELD: Okay. Sanctuary cities.

GUILFOYLE: Okay. This is what we're talking about, Bob. This is a breakdown in the rule of law that should be applied evenly across the board.

BECKEL: The implication of what you said was you let them in here and they're gonna murder your kids. Nobody comes to sanctuary city with a murder rap and allowed to have sanctuary. It doesn't exist.

GUTFELD: Tell it to the poor family in San Francisco.

BOLLING: Repeat felons are allowed to get sanctuary status. They may not be murders at first but repeat felons may eventually murder somebody.

GUTFELD: All right. Let's move on. GUILFOYLE: I didn't get that you're able to just come to this country and commit a whole bunch of crimes and we are supposed to cry for you and we all of a sudden don't have an obligation to protect the people here in this country that are here lawfully. Outrageous. BECKEL: We do have a responsibility. We have responsibility for Irish.

GUILFOYLE: Oh goodness.

GUTFELD: Do you want the Irish to come and shoot people? GUILFOYLE: Yeah, okay. That makes a lot of sense.


GUILFOYLE: This is a whole cycle of ignorance. GUTFELD: Up ahead -- thank you for the transition, Dana. Gitmo. Another free Gitmo detainee returns to terror, blowing himself up in Iraq. Should the Trump administration be filling up our Cuban lock up once again? That's next.


GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God. Knock it off, Bob. The Obama administration took great pride in its efforts to try to close down Guantanamo Bay. But there have been deadly consequences. Many detainees transferred out of the lockup have returned to the battlefield. Another one just this week. A British citizen we let go in 2004 blew himself up in an Iraqi base in Mosul. President Trump's deputy assistant says he's not surprised.


SEBASTIAN GORKA, DEPUTY ASSISTANT TO PRESIDENT TRUMP: We know that at least 30 if not more than 40 percent recidivism rate from the people released at Gitmo, so President Obama released lots and lots of people that were there for very good reason. And what happened? Almost half the time they returned to the battlefield. This individual not only was he released, he was given compensation of more than a million dollars by the British government who claimed he had been maltreated and then he goes and executes a suicide attack in Iraq.

(END VIDEO CLIP) GUILFOYLE: Some of the presidents other aides indicate Mr. Trump is unlikely to close Gitmo down.


SEAN SPICER, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: He believes that Guantanamo Bay did serve a very, very healthy purpose in our national security and making sure we don't bring terrorists to our seas but I'm not going to get into what we may or may not do in the future. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If an American terror suspect was picked up overseas, would you support sending them to Guantanamo Bay for questioning?

JOHN KELLY, DHS SECRETARY: If it was legal, I think Guantanamo Bay offers some opportunity.

(END VIDEO CLIP) GUILFOYLE: All right. So, Dana, this is obviously a tremendous interest because this was a widely discussed area in terms of Guantanamo Bay, releasing people who come back to re-offend, and here we have the story.

PERINO: Well, it's been a controversy for many years, right? During the Bush administration, President Bush also tried to reduce the number of people that were being held at Guantanamo Bay. But we also know that there was quite a lot of recidivism. That continued under President Obama, who really tried to empty it out. In fact, that was his stated goal and on his first inauguration day, he looked to his team and he says how do we close this? He didn't quite make his goal, but there's only a handful of people there left really.

The reason I think it's important to keep those options open is because I do think you will see a difference in a change in foreign policy from the United States standpoint and instead of just killing the enemy, we do try to capture them. When you capture them, you need a good, safe place to hold them and to gather intelligence so that you can prevent things like what happened with this ISIS suicide bomber that ultimately goes back to Britain, is paid money by the British.

Million pounds. Buys a house and going back and ruins the lives of so many people, innocent people, and the lives of his wife and children who then had to flee as well.

GUILFOYLE: It's really horrible. This is exactly the worst nightmare of what you saw in this show. I think, Eric, that Gitmo actually serves a very important purpose.

BOLLING: Agreed. More importantly I think the recidivism that Dana points out is staggering. Prior to Obama administration the recidivism rate was 17 percent. During the Obama years, it jumped up at 1.21 percent. One in five people released from Gitmo go back to the battlefield to kill Americans. That is a big number because one going back -- one five going back would let 1500 go back.

That's a lot of bad guys we're leading back out onto the battlefield to turn around and kill us. They have one job in the world, kill westerners. Kill ideology. Kill us. I don't know why we let them out out. I also like the idea of the drone strikes. I'm favor of that. If you do drone strikes or you have some intel, CIA grabs someone, put them in Gitmo and put them there until they turn over some information. It save an American life.

GUILFOYLE: To prevent future attacks, Bob. Are you against that? BECKEL: Not at all. The hardest of the hard-core shouldn't be let out. They should be.

BOLLING: They are all hard-core. BECKEL: Wait a second. If it wasn't for the conservative right wing they could be brought to Leavenworth and put them on trial, but you leave them down there to play soccer. That was a great idea. Build them a soccer field. BOLLING: That was Obama.

BECKEL: I know. It was a terrible idea.

BOLLING: President Obama.

GUTFELD: Comrade Obama.

BECKEL: Another thing I will say is here we got a guy that was let go after he's caught. We get great intelligence out at Guantanamo. Has any intelligent stopped anything? We don't know. But that guy certainly did.

GUILFOYLE: Absolutely.

BECKEL: You get intelligence out of him, he goes back to England, he kills a bunch of people.

GUILFOYLE: He shouldn't been let go, Bob.

PERINO: That is how Taliban operates. He leaves, he goes back to Britain, and then he decides to join ISIS.

BECKEL: Then he did a terrorist attack, right?

GUTFELD: I don't know (inaudible). This whole catch and release thing. Imagine if you applied it in other arenas. When a doctor removed a tumor and then placed it somewhere else in your body. That's exactly what Gitmo is when you catch and release. You take them out and you just put them and they go and create more damage. I have to say I do get a chuckle out of the fact that our prison in Cuba is more comfortable than any other place in Cuba. It's a testament to socialism that our capitalistic prison is actually better and gives a better life to people than anything in Cuba.

BECKEL: Bush administration built that prison, not Obama.

GUTFELD: Even better. I love the fact how excited the press was about all these people going to visit Cuba. No one is visiting anymore. PERINO: The former Gitmo detainee who got released says he wants to go back. It would be safer for him. GUTFELD: I would too. I get soccer, three meals, I get to pray five times. GUILFOYLE: You get movies, "Harry Potter" books.

BOLLING: If you put this Jihadist in Gitmo behind bars, why do you need to let them out? I mean, they're plotted to kill Americans. (CROSSTALK)

PERINO: We don't need the expense. BECKEL: I think we out to stop this foolishness that somehow you are getting intelligence out of them.

BOLLING: You kill American citizen, kills another American citizen. He goes away for life. So if you are planning to kill American, you can prove it, guess what, put them away. Put them in Gitmo. I'm sorry. There is no rush to close Gitmo.

GUTFELD: There is no alternative for it. When the battlefield is earth, which is what it is, it's not like you go to a certain place and fight, they are everywhere. It's the only option. And it's in Cuba.

BECKEL: (inaudible) Kansas and can put them on trial. GUILFOYLE: Why? They don't have the rights. They are not U.S. citizens.


BOLLING: Imagine what they could call for.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. And then let them go ahead and spread Jihad in the American prison system. That's exactly what we need. Give me a break. We have enough problems with gangs, people like MS-13 and the rest of them.

GUTFELD: And the Irish gangs, Bob.

BECKEL: The Irish gang among the worst.

PERINO: I would just end by saying that there have been -- I think the school of thought that was backed up by some evidence that for a long time Gitmo was like the recruiting tool for Jihadists. They would say look what they are doing to us at Gitmo. I think that has passed. That was back like 12 years ago, 15 years ago. I think that we have a safe place to put Jihadists that we can get intelligence from and hold. We should do it.

BOLLING: And the beauty of this it's not even on American soil. It's out the continents. Why you change that.

BECKEL: Let's also keep in mind...

GUILFOYLE: All right. Fine. We got to go.


GUILFOYLE: Directly ahead, who are democrats going to pick as the new leader to fix their broken party? What does President Trump think about one of the top contenders? Details on the DNC's upcoming election next.



PERINO: Democrats head to Atlanta this weekend to pick the next chair of their party. One of the top contenders is Minnesota congressman, Keith Ellison. In an op-ed titled, "Move Left, Democrats," "The New York Times" makes the case picking Ellison over other candidates saying he has a proven track record of engaging his party's core voters.

The president is also (inaudible) compliment via Twitter. "One thing I will say about Representative Keith Ellison, in his fight to lead the DNC, is that he was the one who predicted early that I would win." The congressman responded by making another prediction in this tweet. "My latest call? America is coming together like never before; we'll stop your drive to divide us."

Bob, we'll go to you first because.


PERINO: Fighting words. Bob, we'll go to you first.

BECKEL: Oh, thank you.

PERINO: Because there's a big debate, I think, happening tonight or tomorrow to see who will be the next DNC chair. Do you like the idea of Ellison? Or do you think they should go with someone else?

BECKEL: No, I don't, and I don't think it matters. I think you talk about someone who's on the Sunday talk shows. The Democratic chairman are only good for raising money. Nobody runs that party. It runs itself. It's one set I joined, and I never joined an organized party. I was a Democrat.

Look, the grassroots is running way out in front of it. You all are assuming, sitting here, that Trump has got support out there. He's got people lining the walls to get him down, and I include myself among them.

I think Perez will win it. I don't think it will matter one way or another. I think they'll raise a lot of money, a whole lot of money. All you need is put Trump on a fundraising -- it's already happened. I mean, most people I know who are sitting out in fundraising fields put Trump's name on it, and the money comes pouring in. And that's what's going to happen. I mean, but that's about it. There's no such thing as an organized Democratic Party, and there shouldn't be.

PERINO: Well, we'll find out this weekend. Probably, Eric, not going to know on the first ballot.

There is a guy, the South Bend, Indiana, mayor, Pete -- I hope I say this right -- Butti-jeg. Butti-jeg?

BECKEL: Buttigieg.

PERINO: Buttigieg? Sorry, I just want to make sure I say that right. He's an impressive guy.

BOLLING: Very impressive. I was just looking for his name in the list. I couldn't find it. I'm glad you brought it up. Really impressive guy. Young guy.

PERINO: Naval officer, a reservist.

BOLLING: Again, I've seen him on a couple of talk shows. And he just -- he has the right -- I think he has the right ideas. And he said -- he comes out and says, "Look, we blew it. We were terrible in the last election cycle. We need to refocus the message."

This guy is right.

GUILFOYLE: He would be a great choice.

BOLLING: He would be a very good choice.

PERINO: I think he wouldn't be a punching bag for the Republicans or from -- I don't think that he would be somebody like Keith Ellison, who would be somebody that President Punch could -- President Punch. That's a good nickname. President Trump could punch over and over again. I don't know if Pete has a chance, but he...

BECKEL: He's the most articulate of the crowd, I'll tell you.

GUILFOYLE: I agree, but are they going to be smart enough to do something that would be great for the party as a whole? Someone that would be inclusive, bring people in, that isn't polarizing, that could also help generate enthusiasm and direction.

BECKEL: you may be onto something. Perez is tied to the Clintons too closely.


BECKEL: And Ellison is a Muslim, and that's going to be a problem.

GUTFELD: So you like the white guy then? The white guy over the brown guy?

BECKEL: I've always like the white guy, and I've always liked...

GUTFELD: Interesting.

GUILFOYLE: There we go.

BECKEL: But I don't -- let me see if I...

GUILFOYLE: I've heard he's part Irish.

PERINO: One of our former colleagues, Jehmu Greene, is also on the ballot.

GUILFOYLE: I like Jehmu.


BECKEL: She's a nice girl. But destined to come in last.

PERINO: The president of Rock the Vote.


BECKEL: She's a nice person who's destined to come in last.

PERINO: You think she'll be last? You don't think that Sally Boynton Brown will be last?

BECKEL: She'll be dropping out. I think -- I think it will be down between Perez and the mayor.

GUTFELD: I don't know any of these people.

PERINO: Do you care?

GUTFELD: They should just choose an actual chair. You know what the problem is? The party...

BECKEL: Clint Eastwood did that on stage.

GUTFELD: I know, and he was right.

You know, when a person decides they have an addiction, they have to admit they have a problem. The Democratic Party has an identity addiction, and it's eating them alive.

What did Hillary do? Why did she lose? Because every time she ran into a problem, she took a swig at the gender politics. Instead of actually engaging the American people, she just said, "Trouble? I'm a woman. I'm a woman." And it didn't work.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, the future is female.

GUTFELD: Yes. So they have...

BECKEL: They had 56 percent negatives. Let's remember that, too.

GUTFELD: She lost.

BECKEL: I could have run you against Trump and beat him.

PERINO: Well, we will have follow the race down in Atlanta very closely. All right. Up next, Congresswoman Maxine Waters resorts...

BECKEL: Oh, going back to that?

PERINO: ... to insults and name-calling when referring to the Trump administration. But is this the most effective approach for her and other Democrats in dealing with the new White House? We'll have details ahead.


BOLLING: Well, Democrats are still licking their wounds from November's election. They're still trying to figure out how to work with President Trump. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer thinks the president could have success with his party if he follows Chuck's advice.


SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER (D-NY), MINORITY LEADER: I told him this. I said, you know, you campaigned. And just what you said, Whoopi, in a different way. You campaigned as a populist against both the Democratic and Republican establishments, and if you continue to do that, you'll have some success. But if you do what you've been doing, just move to the hard, hard right, way beyond what most Republicans are for, you're going to be a failure.


BOLLING: And then he welled up and started bawling. Just kidding. Another Democrat isn't being as civil. Listen to how Congresswoman Maxine Waters describes Mr. Trump's cabinet.


REP. MAXINE WATERS (D), CALIFORNIA: This is a bunch of scumbags. That's what they are.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Those are very strong words.

WATERS: Who are all organized around making money.

All of these people who are organized with these oil and gas interests that's in the administration and friends of the president of the United States, this back channeling that you see. These are a bunch of scumbags.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Secretary of state -- do you mean the secretary of state of the United States?

WATERS: Well, I tell you this. Tillerson is there to get these sanctions lifted. I believe it. Just watch him.


BOLLING: All right, K.G. I guess the...


BOLLING: ... the rhetoric has been ratcheted up. The hyperbole. I mean, honestly, I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to say that on TV.

GUILFOYLE: No, I think it's really unseemly. And she has not been behaving appropriately. I don't know what's going on with her, but she's weakening her own case. It's not helping her party. It is wholly inappropriate to say that and to use those words.

BOLLING: Greg, let me -- let's be a little fair and balanced here. The rhetoric has been ratcheted up for a year and a half.

GUTFELD: Oh, yes. Definitely, yes. I mean, it's like -- that's why nobody can complain, because Trump is the king of trash talk.

But it's amazing how many things are being thrown at him right now. He's like -- they don't see him as a president but a clown in a dunk tank; but none of these people can throw. Like, when she does that, it helps Trump. The more antagonism...

GUILFOYLE: It's not helping her side.

GUTFELD: ... and the more they demonize him, the more -- that's fuel. He enjoys it. So the more crap you throw at him, he just turns it off; he turns it into some kind of nutrition.

GUILFOYLE: She's roping in Tillerson, too, which is inappropriate.

GUTFELD: By the way, getting your political views from "The View," it's like getting nutritional advice from Charlie Sheen.

BOLLING: Can we talk a little bit about the -- there's a new thing that's called post-election stress disorder, PEST. Students are saying that they have postelection stress. Meanwhile, we're hearing Maxine Waters with some very unbecoming things to say.

PERINO: Right. I guess she's not worried about the snowflakes. She wants them to be stressed.

And she pays no political price for having said this. Right? So she -- in her district, she gets praised for saying things like this. So -- and she gets the attention, like we are giving her, so she's going to continue to do it.

If I could talk about Chuck Schumer also, I think it's interesting that he says Donald Trump is pushing away the moderate Republican when he actually endorsed Keith Ellison to be the chair of the Democratic Party, which takes the party way far to the left. So the blinkers are definitely on with the Democrats, maybe also with the Republicans.

I think that he's also wrong. He could be right that maybe Republicans, like, "Oh, I think I'm going to have to distance from Donald Trump." That's not what the polls are showing so far. His approval rating has gone up over this past week, Bob. The Quinnipiac poll is better.


PERINO: And you also saw, especially on immigration, not so much a partisan issue. People support it.


BECKEL: Do I have a chance to say anything here?

BOLLING: I was going to bring you in and ask you if this is the new strategy by the Democrats to be noticed, because frankly, they haven't been noticed for a while, because this whole thing with Trump versus the media. We talk about it; we put it on TV. But now the Democrats are saying, "Hey, what about us?"

BECKEL: I think they're doing a terrible disservice to the president. The president is working very hard. He's trying to build a wall, and he's trying to keep immigrants out. And these people just ought to shut up. I mean, they let him do his job. He was elected president. And give him some time.

BOLLING: We'll be right back.

BECKEL: Yes. That's right.

GUILFOYLE: End it there, please. That was beautiful.

BECKEL: Wait a second. Excuse me. I'd like to say that I want to see America be made great again, and I know that I want to put that in the hands of Donald Trump. So please...

PERINO: Bob, seriously, do you think that Chuck Schumer is right to say that the Republicans are just going to walk away from Trump? He doesn't know that.

BECKEL: I don't think he knows it, and I don't think we'll know until -- we'll see what happens in the '18 election -- in the '18 election.

PERINO: That's a year and a half away.

BECKEL: It is -- well, that's not very far. They start campaigning, you know, after Labor Day. But some of the more marginal seats, it will be curious to see how much he goes in to campaign. And also, how much money they can raise off of him. They're having trouble -- the Republican National Committee and the FCC -- RCC are having a difficult time raising. But you know, it's tough to raise money for somebody who's got a lot of money.

GUILFOYLE: Where are you getting that? Record number.

BOLLING: They had a record month.

BECKEL: After -- the RNC? Yes. But now they're way falling off, and so are the Democrats.

BOLLING: Last month.

BECKEL: Yes. They had a record month after the election.

BOLLING: President Trump month record.

BECKEL: They didn't go out and raise.

GUILFOYLE: Steve Wynn is in charge now of raising money at the -- yes. And he is going to bring it, make it rain.

BECKEL: I think he could be a phenomenal fundraiser. And I think he's doing -- you know, give him a break about going to Mar-a-Lago and playing golf. I mean, the guy needs a break. It's a tough job.

BOLLING: OK. So we'll leave it right there. Bob -- the Trump presidency.

GUILFOYLE: Somebody poisoned Bob into sanity.

BOLLING: Ahead, Hollywood elitist George Clooney thinks President Trump has something in common with him, sort of. Stay tuned for that one next.


BECKEL: The Oscars are this weekend. You can bet celebrities will hammer away again at President Trump.

George Clooney has kicked off the coming onslaught. In a new interview, he tore into the president for slamming Meryl Streep's speech at the Golden Globes. He thinks Mr. Trump is a Hollywood elitist, noting he (AUDIO GAP). He collects a side pension fund.

George also refers to the president's chief strategist, Steve Bannon, as an elitist in Hollywood, calling him a failed film writer and director.

Now, I don't know about that, and if I slipped on my tongue, I apologize for that.

GUILFOYLE: You got bleeped.

BECKEL: That's the way it is. I -- you know, can I just start here by saying to all these Hollywood people, it doesn't do any good. I mean, it doesn't do our side any good to jump on this guy. People don't -- think that you should be doing acting and not doing politics. And you know, so you may want to cool it. Say something about a movie for once.

GUTFELD: There you go.

BOLLING: Good. That's good.


BOLLING: "One More Thing."

PERINO: Do you think he's setting up to run? Do you think that George Clooney is setting up to run?

BECKEL: He may be one of the few that is. Yes.

GUTFELD: Him and -- I see the ticket as Clooney-Booker or Oprah-Franken.

PERINO: Not Franken-Stein?

GUTFELD: Franken-Stein with Jill Stein? That's funny.

BECKEL: Booker -- Booker's got a future, I think. But of all the people in Hollywood, probably Clooney, who does know a lot about politics.


BECKEL: Do you think he could run and win?

GUILFOYLE: I absolutely do. If you spent any time with him, he's very personable. He's well read. He's intelligent.

GUTFELD: What do you mean by time, Kimberly?

GUILFOYLE: Intellectual time. Thank you for the question.

GUTFELD: What is his lake house like, Kimberly?

GUILFOYLE: I have not been there.

BOLLING: What is intellectual time?

BECKEL: Dana, do you think he could win?

PERINO: I have no idea what the Democrats will decide to do. I do think it's interesting that he tried this tactic. He went after the media. He said that, "The Fourth Estate," which is journalists, "did not hold President Trump's feet to the fire during the campaign. They didn't do a very good job during the campaign, and they haven't done a particularly good job yet. But those things will change."

So he's also going after the media.

BECKEL: You know, the three -- the three actors that have been senators from California that I know of: Murphy, Arnold Schwarzenegger, mad maybe Clooney. That's the one place you can do that, I think.

PERINO: Not Reagan?

BECKEL: And Reagan. Excuse me, Reagan. So what's her name's seat's up.

PERINO: Feinstein?

BECKEL: She'll retire. She's got to.

GUTFELD: Oprah-Clooney. Clooney-Oprah.

BECKEL: What do you think? Do you think he could win, Greg?

BOLLING: Here's what I think. I think Jimmy Kimmel is going to come out, kill it, do a lot of Trump stuff and be hilarious. And that's where I think it should end with the politics. I just want these actors to accept their awards, pat themselves on the back, talk about their agent, and get off the stage. And let's see another clip.

BECKEL: And don't have so many people go up with you. You know, we don't want to see your aunts. We don't want to see your uncles. I mean, just go up there and say something.

BOLLING: But I like when the host has some fun and pokes fun, is all I can say. It's a laugh.

BECKEL: Johnny Carson was the best at that, I thought. But anyway.

OK. Guess what? This is my segment. It's 42 seconds.

GUILFOYLE: No, don't scream.

BECKEL: "One More Thing" is up next.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you.


GUTFELD: You know, it's time for "One More Thing." I think it's one of the best segments in all of television, because it's where we get to talk about things that aren't necessarily political.

GUILFOYLE: Stretching?

GUTFELD: Yes, I'm stretching, Kimberly. It's the only time I stretch, because stretching is for losers.

PERINO: You're not for stretching?

GUTFELD: No, I don't stretch.

PERINO: No wonder you're so short.

GUTFELD: Coming from you?

PERINO: I stretch a lot.

GUTFELD: It's not working, let me tell you.

All right. You know...

GUILFOYLE: Let's do the segment.

GUTFELD: By the way, I want to read a tweet. This is a tweet: "Putting Bob Beckel on live TV is like handing the keys to the space shuttle to Harrison Ford."

GUILFOYLE: Perfect analogy.

BECKEL: That's good.

GUTFELD: Yes, it's pretty good, because you know, Harrison Ford keeps crashing planes.

All right. I have an article out on It's about how to deal with the hysteria about Donald Trump. Everybody running around with their hair on fire, thinking the world is going to end. It's not. Lighten up. His personality is interesting, but his policy is fairly normal. So lighten up, or light up. Light up.

BOLLING: And then lighten up.

GUTFELD: And then lighten up.

All right. Who's next? Eric.

BOLLING: OK, we just heard that the Trump administration has now announced that they will have a new immigration order coming out next week.

PERINO: I thought that was this week?

BOLLING: They said next week. It's what we were just told.

Bob, we were talking about it earlier in the show. We've, in fact, removed people to -- back to Africa, Asia, Europe, North America, and South America. All continents are represented. We remove everyone if they're caught illegally.

All right.


BOLLING: Very quickly. So the motto at FOX News is "We report. You decide." The "We report" isn't that special; a lot of people report. But allowing you to decide is what really matters in this. When journalists forget that part, it gets a little ugly or sticky or quirky. Mika Brzezinski.


JOE SCARBOROUGH, MSNBC ANCHOR: He's doing exactly what he said he's going to do.

MIKA BRZEZINSKI, MSNBC ANCHOR: Well, and I think that the dangerous edges here are that he's trying to undermine the media, trying to make up his own facts. And it could be that, while unemployment and the economy worsens, he could have undermined the messaging so much that he can actually control exactly what people think. And that is -- that is our job.


BOLLING: "That is our job"? No. No, no, it's not a journalist's job to control what people think. Your job is to report it. We'll decide what we think when we listen to it. By the way, listen to that tape further. It was never clarified or changed.

GUTFELD: That's a really exciting show to watch. You know, it's...

BOLLING: I actually watch it.

GUTFELD: Really? I feel like it's -- you're stuck at your -- like traffic school. Remember traffic school?

GUILFOYLE: Oh, with the videos.

BECKEL: Does Joe Scarborough consider himself a journalist?

GUTFELD: I don't know.

BECKEL: He was a hack congressman from Florida.

GUTFELD: All right. Dana.

PERINO: Well, I remember traffic...

GUTFELD: Traffic school.

PERINO: The first traffic school I went to was at Buckingham Mall in Denver.


PERINO: And it was for little kids. And you rode your bike around, and they had, like, little stop lights and stop signs.


PERINO: And that's how you learned the rules of the road.


GUTFELD: That's great. What's your "One More Thing"?

PERINO: My "One More Thing," I'm pretty excited. So those of you who watch the show for a while know that a few years ago my husband and I went to visit Mercy Ships. That's a charitable hospital ship that takes care of the forgotten poor in western Africa. It also has been in Madagascar and a few other places. But they are in Benin, and that was three or four years ago that I went. FOX was amazing and allowed us to bring back some video and tell the story.

And we are going again. So in two weeks from today, Peter and I will land in Benin. We're taking Aaron Landers (ph) with us, so the social media will be better than what I could do. And we're just excited to go and see all the people that we met there before, to hear about the progress and all the -- about the ship that they are building. And I do want to thank everybody, including Kimberly's brother, who has continued to support Mercy Ships after that first visit.


BECKEL: Not going to stop?

PERINO: I will go and then come back.


GUILFOYLE: I'm excited about it.

BOLLING: Very good.

PERINO: Bob, you're excited about it?

BECKEL: I'm very excited about it. And I'm very excited about Kimberly's got up her sleeve. Go ahead. You're up.

GUILFOYLE: I don't have anything up my sleeve. I have a wonderful, wonderful "One More Thing" that I'm very excited about. And all of you will enjoy it, as well, because of our respect for law enforcement.

You are looking at dramatic -- take a look here -- police body cam footage that has been released out of Washington, D.C., showing a group of brave officers pulling a man out of a burning car following a wreck on Sunday night. Take a look at that.

The man was later treated and released from a local hospital. The officers' sergeant says that she is proud of how the officers worked as a team to save the man's life, calling it "heroism at its finest."

And just a reminder again of the men and women in blue that put it on the line every single day so that we can have great schools and communities to have our families be a part of, and they don't get enough credit that they greatly deserve. So God bless them.

BECKEL: That was...

GUTFELD: That was excellent.

BECKEL: That was excellent. Also, they're good public servants, and they deserve it.

GUILFOYLE: They are.

BECKEL: All right. Let me -- I'm going to change my "One More Thing" here, and I've been yelled at already by the producer, but I -- let me explain something about "The Five." I've been here at the beginning and took a sabbatical. But this has always been an opinion show. It's maybe a little bit more one-sided than another, but it's OK, because we get along well.

For those of you who have inundated me with how, if I would get off the show, it would be a lot better, I understand that. That's fine. I can handle that. But let me explain something to you. If you want to go and find something that is all one way, you can go to another network. Don't come here, because I'm going to continue to say comrade...

GUTFELD: Bob, got to go.

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