This is a rush transcript from "The Five," December 28, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: This is a Fox News alert. Debbie Reynolds, the mother of Carrie Fisher, has reportedly been rushed to the hospital after a medical emergency. TMZ is reporting it is a possible stroke but does not have confirmation. TMZ also reporting that the 84- year-old whose daughter Carrie died Tuesday has been distraught since Carrie's emergency Friday on the United jet. We're going to keep you posted as soon as we get more information.
In the meanwhile, the Obama administration attempts to mop up its mess after turning its back on our greatest ally, Israel. But it only made things worse today. Earlier, Secretary of State John Kerry delivered what seemed like a never-ending address defending the administration's decision to let the U.N. condemn Israel for building settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. It was a stunning scene to watch America's top diplomat publicly rebuke our long-time friend.
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JOHN KERRY, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: Because the two-state solution is the only way to achieve a just and lasting peace between Israelis and Palestinians. It is the only way to ensure Israel's future as a Jewish and democratic state. It is the only way to insure a future of freedom and dignity for the Palestinian people. Regrettably, some seem to believe that the U.S. friendship means the U.S. must accept any policy regardless of our own interests, our own positions. They fail to recognize that this friend, the United States of America, that has done more to support Israel than any other country.
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GUILFOYLE: A short while later, Israel's prime minister fired right back. Benjamin Netanyahu outraged that Secretary Kerry would be critical of his country at a time when the Middle East is going up in flames.
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BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, ISRAEL PRIME MINISTER: I must express my deep disappointment with the speech today of John Kerry. A speech that was almost as unbalanced as the anti-Israel resolution passed at the U.N. last week. In a speech ostensibly about peace between Israelis and Palestinians, Secretary Kerry paid lip service to the unremitting campaign of terrorism that has been waged by the Palestinians against the Jewish state for nearly a century. What he did was to spend most of his speech blaming Israel for the lack of peace by passionately condemning a policy of enabling Jews to live in their historic homeland and in their eternal capital, Jerusalem. It is a shame that Secretary Kerry does not see this simple truth.
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GUILFOYLE: OK. A sharp and immediate response from Netanyahu regarding Secretary Kerry's remarks.
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Unbelievable. Another parting shot on Bibi Netanyahu by the Obama administration on his way out of the office. Think about what is going down. So Benjamin Netanyahu came over here against President Barack Obama's will. He sat down with Congress and said I'm going to address Congress. Obama didn't like that. President Obama turned then around tried to get, Netanyahu -- tried to undermine his re- election, tried to get him out of office. It goes back and forth. This is President Obama taking the final shot at the expense of peace in the Middle East and our very, very important ally, the only democratic ally in the Middle East, Israel. I am just blown away. Benjamin Netanyahu later on in the announcement said that the Palestinians reward Palestinians who murder Jews. And now, we are giving them the currency, the Palestinians currency, at the negotiating table with Israel. It is insane. I don't know where our foreign policy is.
HEATHER NAUERT, GUEST CO-HOST: The curtain has finally been pulled back on exactly how the administration feels about the Israelis. And the Secretary of State spent the majority of his time really blaming Israelis for building settlements and claiming that those settlements were a part of a one-state solution. That Israel essentially wanted to take all this Palestinian land and make it their own and there would never be a two-state solution. And so, therefore, the United States had to come in and save the Palestinians from what the big, bad Israelis were doing, essentially what he said.
GUILFOYLE: Now, Julie, how do you see this because this is kind of stunning in the fact that this is coming towards the end of President Barack Obama's administration, making these declarative statements, somewhat muddying the water and trying to negotiate a peace settlement in the Middle East? And now, we have this.
JULIE ROGINSKY, GUEST CO-HOST: You know, what's puzzling to me is that in any relationship whether it is foreign policy or personal relationship, you can't want it more than the couple, right. You can't want it more than the people involved. In this case, John Kerry is coming out and saying, I'm going to force you, Bibi Netanyahu, to sit down with the Palestinians. And Eric is so right, these are people who pay who they call martyrs, what I call suicide bombers and other terrorists, to come and blow up Israelis. They're not historically good partners for peace despite the fact that they seem to say one thing in English, and something different in Arabic. You know, you can't want it more than the two people involved. And let me just say this on a personal level. My grandfather lived the last 25 years of her life and died in a place called Gilo.
GUILFOYLE: Uh-huh.
ROGINSKY: . which is considered by the European Union, Japan and the United Nation, occupied territory. The Israelis consider this as part of Jerusalem, it is East Jerusalem. This is one of the questions, one of the territories that will be up in the final negotiations for settlement. I do not support settlements personally. But I don't think the way John Kerry has gone about doing this.
BOLLING: Why don't you support this?
ROGINSKY: I will tell you why I don't support settlements. I think ultimately it is in the Israeli's own interest. One day, one day, not with this particular Palestinian authority, but one day, I'm hopeful that they will have an opportunity for a Palestinian state, somewhere on the territory of these settlements.
BOLLING: Who declared that territory Palestinians?
ROGINSKY: First of all, there is no territory that is considered Palestinian.
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BOLLING: They think so.
ROGINSKY: Ultimately, you are going to have to do something about this. Because if you don't -- if you don't, if you want Israel to be a majority Jewish country. Eventually, I'm not saying it is going to be tomorrow, but eventually, you will have to create a homeland for the Palestinians. Otherwise, you are going to use the Jewish character of Israel. It is going to happen demographically.
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ROGINSKY: So to me -- so to me, the point is this. I understand what John Kerry is doing. I don't understand what the point of it is, out the door saying to two people.
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GUILFOYLE: He is defending his boss and saying nobody has been better to Israel than President Obama.
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NAUERT: They are so afraid of the Donald Trump administration and how they will handle Israel, they tried to pull the pin on the grenade. In fact, they did pull the pin on the grenade and threw it right there in the middle of Israel today. One interesting thing to note, when you heard John Kerry speaking about Hamas, he referred to Hamas as a militant group, OK, which is very different from a terror group. By the way, the U.S. State Department considers Hamas to still be a terror group. This is the organization that encouraged attacks on Israelis, that was practically the start of a third intifada, when they were encouraging them to go out and just stab civilians and run over, and kill civilians with cars. And it was a huge problem that they have two years ago in 2014 and still have to in a certain extent. But interesting he used that language.
GUILFOYLE: OK. So we are going to have this, president-elect Donald Trump on his remarks regarding the economy. Take a listen.
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DONALD TRUMP, U.S. PRESIDENT-ELECT: I was just called by the head people at Sprint. And they are going to be bringing 5,000 jobs back to the United States, taken from other countries. They are bringing them back to the United States. And Masa (ph) and some other people who were very much involved in that, I want to thank them. Also, one web, a new company, is going to be hiring 3,000 people. So that's very exciting. So we have a combination of sprint for 5,000 jobs and that's coming from all over the world and they are coming back into the United States, which is a nice change and also one web, 3,000 jobs. It's a new company. It was done through Masa (ph), a terrific guy. We appreciate it. OK.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. President-elect, did you speak with President Obama today?
TRUMP: I did, I did. He phoned me. We had a nice conversation.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you bring up any concern about a roadblock?
TRUMP: We had a general conversation. I think the Secretary's speech really spoke for itself. But we had a very general conversation, very, very nice. I appreciate that he called.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You have been critical of the U.N. lately. Do you want the United States to leave the U.N. or are you considering that move?
TRUMP: The U.N. has such tremendous potential, not living up to its potential. There is such tremendous potential. But it is not living up to it. When do you see the United Nations solving problems? They don't. They cause problems. So if it lives up, it is a great thing. If it doesn't, it is a waste of time and money. OK. Thank you very much.
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GUILFOYLE: And that was president-elect Donald Trump making some remarks. He was talking about the economy, jobs added with Sprint and also touching on the United Nations, which he has been critical of in the past, saying it is a waste of money unless they live up to their potential, so sort of encouraging them to do great things in the future versus being part of the problem. Eric, your reaction?
BOLLING: So President Obama called Donald Trump. We made it very clear. Obama phoned him. I'm sure it is something like, Donald, are we good? Because of this whole U.N. thing, are you sure we're good? Are you sure? OK. I want to make sure we are good.
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GUILFOYLE: Do you think he cares?
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BOLLING: Listen. I think President Obama will care when Donald Trump starts signing all these executive orders over undoing some of these resolutions that President Obama signed. But I got to say, I was hoping for a little bit more teeth to the economic part of the announcement. He is pointing out that jobs -- what he ran on, keeping jobs in America, he is doing that and getting another company added to the list.
GUILFOYLE: OK. So America first and promoting the economy here. Tom, your thoughts?
TOM SHILLUE, GUEST CO-HOST: He should do more of these types of press conferences. I mean, this was a little brief. But it is exciting to see him stand and answer questions. Trump has this thing. He attacks online and then he comes out. He is a little nicer when he is speaking in public. So he attacked the U.N. on Twitter and then he comes out and says they have tremendous potential. He said if they can solve problems, they can live up to their potential. He sees a lot of hope for the U.N. So you know that was good. I don't know what this announcement did. There wasn't a lot of meat on the bones, the Sprint announcement. I don't know.
NAUERT: Sprint and another company, 8,000 jobs, we will take it.
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NAUERT: I don't care if he is announcing 500 jobs or whether it is 50,000 jobs. The point is, bringing jobs back and that contributes to the optimism. And later on in the show, we are going to talk about some of the new poll numbers and how Americans are feeling about the year 2017. And they are feeling really strong about it. And so, it is a good thing.
GUILFOYLE: It is positive, Julie. I mean, if it is your family member that has a job they get to keep here or a job that's added, you are excited about it. This is part of the process and the progression forward.
ROGINSKY: I love it. I love the fact that Barack Obama brought you know millions of jobs back.
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BOLLING: I remember when he lost the jobs. He brought those jobs back.
ROGINSKY: But wait, you are talking about the fact that there is massive, massive job growth under Obama. I don't think you can disprove there isn't.
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SHILLUE: Are you guys being sarcastic?
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BOLLING: Fewer Americans working now than before.
ROGINSKY: He was elected in the worst recession ever. All right.
NAUERT: So many Americans believe it is not worth it for them to work or you have people with part-time jobs.
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ROGINSKY: Nobody is praying more than I am for Donald Trump to make America great again, to bring all these jobs back. I can't wait to watch him to do it. And I hope he does it.
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GUILFOYLE: That optimism, see if we can tackle the problems in Israel right now, shall we? There is an additional piece of sound from Benjamin Netanyahu saying it has absolutely incontestable evidence the U.S. was behind the U.N. vote. Listen to this.
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NETANYAHU: Israel hopes that is the outgoing Obama administration will prevent any more damage being done to Israel at the U.N. in its waning days. I wish I could be comforted by the promise that the U.S. says we will not bring anymore resolutions to the U.N. We have it on absolutely incontestable that the United States organized, advanced, and brought this resolution to the United Nations Security Council.
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GUILFOYLE: OK. So very strong statement there, strong allegation. They say they have incontestable evidence, Eric, that this is, in fact, the case.
BOLLING: It really doesn't matter if they brought it. They knew it was coming anyway, by the fact that we did not veto the resolution. That's all you have to do. It is a non-vote, a non-veto, it is a vote in favor. Everyone knew it. The 14 members of the Security Council knew it. No one else is going to veto. If you're not going to, this thing is going to.
ROGINSKY: But that's a very serious allegation that he is making. If he is making that allegation, I understand a lot of this is confidential information and intelligence and they can't share. If you are going to make that allegation in public, I think the public in Israel and here deserves to see some evidence of what he is talking about?
BOLLING: Evidence? You mean like when all these groups say there was Russian hacking going on.
ROGINSKY: Yeah. I have said from day one that Obama needs to release the evidence and I think he will in the same way that Netanyahu needs to release it.
BOLLING: It is as simple as hey, by the way, we are not going to veto. If you bring that resolution again, we are not going to veto.
GUILFOYLE: That's not enough, yeah.
ROGINSKY: You got it, but you are making a very serious allegation. And I think, again, if you're making that kind of allegation, this is exactly like the Russian hacking, there needs to be some sort of declassified information that both our country and the Israeli public deserves to see when the prime minister, our greatest ally, is making an allegation against our president. I think we need to see what it is.
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NAUERT: I am wondering why they are not handing it over now. If they have this information, why not give it to the incoming Trump administration, and why not give it to the Obama administration, and make a portion of that public? So we all know what they are talking about.
ROGINSKY: That's exactly right.
SHILLUE: What Eric says, it doesn't really matter. It is the abstention that matters, not whether they arranged it -- you know, it's big enough news, the abstention, right?
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GUILFOYLE: It is pretty horrific if, in fact, the United States is behind it. It is something very significant. That's a very strong statement he is making. I suspect that if he is making that statement, he has the evidence to back it up. He is going to have to proffer it at some point.
All right. Bibi Netanyahu is very disappointed in the Obama administration as we said. But he did thank president-elect Trump for his support today. You will hear all of that next. Stay with us.
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BOLLING: All right. Back now to the Obama's administration's pathetic defense for throwing Israel right under the bus, the wheel on its neck at the United Nations. President Obama may not have Israel's back but president-elect Donald Trump made it crystal clear he does, tweeting quote, we can not continue to let Israel be treated with so much disdain and disrespect. They used to have a friend in the U.S., but not anymore. The beginning to the end was the horrible Iran deal, and now this, U.N. Stay strong, Israel, January 20th is fast approaching. Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu thanked him in a twit and also in his public statement today.
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NETANYAHU: Israel looks forward to working with president-elect Trump, and with the American Congress, Democrats and Republicans alike, to mitigate the damage that this resolution has done and ultimately to repeal it.
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BOLLING: All right. KG, I feel good that president-elect Donald Trump has a good relationship with Benjamin Netanyahu.
GUILFOYLE: Absolutely. You want the United States' president to have a good relationship with other foreign leaders including and most especially key allies of the United States. The fact that this is happening just right on the you know break of him being able to become president and get sworn in, it does make it very challenging for the president-elect, because he is going to have to undo the damage that has been created, one, by the Iran deal and by this betrayal of Israel. It is significant. It is compelling internationally and it is certainly problematic.
BOLLING: If we have a strong democracy in the Middle East where there aren't very many of those.
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SHILLUE: Yes. And the thing is that so Israel is not happy with the Obama administration but who is? You said it was a parting shot. That's a good description of it, right. And, Heather, you said their true colors are showing, you know, that the curtain has been pulled back.
NAUERT: Yeah, on how this administration feels about Israel.
SHILLUE: How they feel about Israel. But as far as policy goes, it's meaningless. Because like Trump said, January 20th is coming up fast. If he meant any of this, he would have done it before. Why is he doing this as a parting shot? Because he doesn't mean any of it. It is completely insincere.
NAUERT: I disagree with you.
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NAUERT: Because part of it is the whole PR push.
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NAUERT: But it is a whole PR push, right. So now you have the United Nations and we can all laugh at the United Nations, but there are a whole lot of countries in this world, correctly or incorrectly, who take them very seriously. And so, the pressure builds up on the United Nations and all of those other countries to go after Israel. Israel loses us as an ally as it did at the United Nations for the very first time. And that becomes a real problem.
GUILFOYLE: I agree with you. I think this is hugely problematic. It puts the United States in a bad position and a position we should never be in against Israel. This happening, I think it has huge diplomatic implications.
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BOLLING: Another opportunity for Donald Trump to come in and say, you know what, we've got this. I am going to fix this relationship.
GUILFOYLE: He has a lot of messes to clean up on aisle 7.
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BOLLING: He keeps spilling the bottle on aisle 7 and the stuff keeps breaking.
NAUERT: But you know, one of the big subjects that will come up. Some members of Congress are talking about what to do about the United Nations. Do we defund the United Nations?
BOLLING: I love this idea.
NAUERT: And there is so much money that goes into it, basically two pots. There is one that goes into a general fund, and then one that goes into United Nations' peacekeeping. And the United Nations' peacekeeping one is like $2.3 billion and we can question whether or not they always do what is right.
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BOLLING: There is a third, other U.N. initiatives. We put in 2010, $6 billion into U.N. initiatives.
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NAUERT: . but still pay for peacekeeping and some of the things that we can all agree upon are important.
ROGINSKY: Let me just say this. You know, we also did back in September, we signed a 10-year deal with Israel, the biggest and largest deal in its history for $38 billion worth of military technology we are going to give to the Israelis. So I want to focus on that as a very big positive and you have to comment the Obama administration for doing that because a lot of that money goes toward to protecting them from the rockets and other missiles that come across.
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BOLLING: Protecting them from the deal of sustaining from this resolution?
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ROGINSKY: Gaza was not on Barack Obama's watch. You can't blame him on that.
BOLLING: I am not blaming him. I'm simply saying if you embolden the area, if you embolden the Palestinians and embolden Hamas, you fund Hamas - - I mean, you are basically saying, do your thing. Israel is going, wait a minute.
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ROGINSKY: Can I just say this? Unfortunately, this issue doesn't lend itself to sound bites. It is really a complex issue. You can be pro- Israel. I am incredibly pro-Israel and you can still be against their settlement policy. It doesn't mean you can give away that.
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BOLLING: Netanyahu says, the Palestinians pay people to murder Jews.
ROGINSKY: Absolutely right.
BOLLING: And still be in favor of them getting some sort of deal on that land. You are in favor of that?
ROGINSKY: Wait a second, did I just say that today -- under the circumstances today, do I want to give them the West Bank? No, because I thought it is like what happened in Gaza. I don't support that. I am saying if you continue.
BOLLING: You want to divide Jerusalem?
ROGINSKY: No, I don't want to divide Jerusalem. No, Eric, that's not what I'm saying at all. Can I finish and tell you exactly what I'm for?
BOLLING: Sure.
ROGINSKY: If you keep building out settlements further and further and further out, that means you are essentially precluding the possibility of any Palestinian states any time in the future.
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ROGINSKY: One day.
BOLLING: You have to stay.
ROGINSKY: Did I say I wanted it to happen today?
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ROGINSKY: You could give up all of the land and that is not going to change things. They will still want to wipe Israel off the map.
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ROGINSKY: There was a time when Osama bin-Laden said, if the U.S. gets out of Arab lands, we will stop attacking.
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ROGINSKY: There was a time when we would get out of certain countries and they wouldn't see that.
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ROGINSKY: There was a time that nobody thought the Northern Irish would ever come to terms with each other. There is a time you hope and pray that eventually people will be able to reconcile.
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GUILFOYLE: We still haven't accepted that in Ireland. That's a whole other subject and probably another show. There is very little incentive right now, for Palestinians to come to the table and want to do any kind of negotiation. Also, like Heather said, they don't want to. They don't want to recognize Israel. They are doing their level best to destroy Israel. And having help with their friends in Hamas, and so the problem is you have to be realistic about outcomes, about expectations, and about true intentions. And what President Barack Obama did and Secretary Kerry did was a huge disservice to any kind of peace in the Middle East whatsoever and essentially crippled...
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NAUERT: I will give you an example of the hatred in this area. Jordan, 2003, I'm there, the same song is playing over and over again in the cab, this is the beginning of the Iraq war, I am there for Fox covering it. I finally asked the cab driver, what is this song I'm hearing playing over and over again? He said, I hate Jews. Excuse me, that's the name of the song, that was the name of the song. Who sings and who performs it? He said a school teacher. That is very clear just how strong the hatred is.
ROGINSKY: Jordan and Israel are living in peace today and they have a military cooperation.
NAUERT: It is the majority of Palestinian.
ROGINSKY: Nevertheless, that's my point.
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BOLLING: We got to go. One Democrat in Congress thinks her party is too nice as she refuses to work with president-elect Donald Trump before he takes office. Here, Maxine Waters will explain that one next.
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ROGINSKY: A very rough year for the Democratic Party, that's for sure. California Congresswoman Maxine Waters thinks she knows why.
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REP. MAXINE WATERS, (D) CALIFORNIA CONGRESSWOMAN: That has been a problem in my party. When we are in power, we are nice, we bend over backwards to work with people.
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ROGINSKY: Waters thinks her party's problems stem from being too nice to the other side. Meanwhile during the same interview, she indicated she is not going to be nice to president-elect Trump when he takes office.
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WATERS: Trump has stepped on everybody. He has called names. He has lied. He has done everything to show that he really doesn't have good values and he can't be trusted. Why should we work with someone that we can't trust? I don't trust him. I don't believe him. I have no intentions of sitting down with him. I'm going to fight him every inch of the way and I'm going to help show the American people that they, too, cannot trust him. This is a man that does not live up to his promises.
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GUILFOYLE: Wow.
ROGINSKY: So, you know, this is actually a big debate going on in the Democratic Party, as to whether you work with Donald Trump and try to accomplish something or you don't work with Donald Trump and try to make him a one-termer. Let me just say this, Eric. You know, back in 2010, on the cusp of taking over the House John Boehner said this about Barack Obama's agenda: "We're going to do everything, and I mean everything we can, to kill it, stop it, slow it down, whatever we can."
And then you remember, famously, Mitch McConnell said he wanted to make Obama a one-termer and really did not cooperate with him on anything. It was smart political strategy, I think, for the Republicans to do that. Because, in fact, they did get the House back and the Senate back and ultimately won election in 2012 -- sorry, 2016. So the question is strategically, is she right?
BOLLING: Well, do you remember what happened after that? When Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama cried that they couldn't get anything done...
ROGINSKY: Yes.
BOLLING: ... because the Republicans wouldn't play ball with them? So stop crying, because here you're considering doing the same thing with Donald Trump.
ROGINSKY: Of course. But it's a smart strategy.
BOLLING: Knock yourself out. Fifty-two senators, 63 majority in the House. Fine, Maxine. You got on TV for a couple of days. But that's where it's going to end.
Donald Trump is a force to be reckoned with. And I think you're going to see more Democrats deciding it's better to work with him than against him. You don't want to go up against Donald Trump as president. I just don't think they're going to want to do that. I think that's a fool's bag (ph).
GUILFOYLE: They're grossly underestimating his potential and his reach and the power of the people behind him, in terms of the American people, what they want to see happen. He also now has a very strong position in the House and the Senate. So I think it's foolish. I mean, she just sounds, like, immature.
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ROGINSKY: But how immature?
GUILFOYLE: The way of her approach, she doesn't even want to listen. At least try to pretend or fake that you want to actually listen and give the president-elect a chance to be able to -- why can't you try to do something for inner-city schools and for communities that are suffering with horrible crime that is happening? For the large number of African-Americans being murdered and slaughtered in the streets, because they don't have the jobs; they don't have the infrastructure; and they don't have the hope each day to be able to say -- to walk down the street and take their kids to school.
Like, why doesn't she want to be part of the solution? She's an obstructionist.
ROGINSKY: Well, the -- well, but you're assuming that she's not taking her lesson and drawing her lesson from what the Republicans did and, I think, successfully, Heather, did for the last eight years. I mean, they did politically get their way. If they continue to obstruct Trump, potentially, they're going to pick up seats, if Trump doesn't succeed in the next few years. They'll -- the party will be blamed. The Republicans will be blamed.
NAUERT: I'm with -- I'm with Kimberly on this issue. I think it's always a mistake to say, "I won't work with the other party."
GUILFOYLE: I agree.
NAUERT: That "we will stand up against anything that they say."
I think it's a better approach to, fine, work behind the scenes and do just that. But at least go in, take a meeting, listen to them.
And Donald Trump might surprise them. He's come around on some issues. He's taken different approaches than traditional Republicans have on other issues, whether it's trade or the issue of waterboarding, for example. He had previously said that he was for it and then he started talking with Mattis and said, "OK, I can see that another solution might be better." So they might surprise us.
ROGINSKY: You're laughing and shaking your head.
SHILLUE: I'm laughing, and of course, I disagree. I'm sick of people pretending they want to work together when they don't. Maxine Waters does not want to work with the Republicans ever. She didn't want to work with the Republicans in the past. She won't want to work with Trump in the future.
Be honest. That's what we want people, you know -- tell it like it is. Maxine Waters constituents don't want her to work with Trump, so they shouldn't. If you have some people who are in swing states that want to get in and work with him, they can do that. But if you don't believe in Trump's agenda, go ahead, protest all you want. I mean, that's the way we -- we work here in America.
ROGINSKY: Here is the problem for Democrats the Republicans didn't face so much over the last eight years. A lot of the senators up in two years are from states like West Virginia, North Dakota and others that Trump won. And so I predict to you that you're going to have a bunch of senators -- Joe Manchin and others, Heidi Heitkamp -- who will have no chance but to work with Trump. And so I think -- and so I think Chuck Schumer is going to have...
BOLLING: Which is why '18 is going to be a rough -- a rough go for Democrats in the Senate.
ROGINSKY: Unless Maxine Waters is right, and they obstruct and make sure that Trump fails. And then therefore, they can blame the Republican Party for that and pick up seats. That's -- I mean, that's a legitimate strategy for Democrats.
BOLLING: Hey, congratulations, Democrat, your strategy is, "Let's hope America fails."
ROGINSKY: That's exactly what the Republicans have been working on for years.
GUILFOYLE: They've done so well so far.
ROGINSKY: Next, the Radio City Rockettes are slated to perform at Mr. Trump's inauguration. One of the dancers is publicly voicing outrage about the high-profile gig. And hear that drama ahead.
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SHILLUE: You all know the famous Radio City Rockettes. They're set to perform at President-elect Trump's inauguration on January 20. However, some of the dancers might be trying to get out of it.
One Rockette complained about the assignment to Marie Claire, saying, quote, "We do a lot of events, but there have been no events that could cause trauma; and doing this would cause trauma for some people. This is making our show, our job, our name branded as right-wing. An extreme right-wing. This is not a Republican or Democrat issue. This is a women's rights issue. This is an issue of racism, sexism, something that's much bigger than politics."
The company that employs the group says none of the dancers are compelled to perform; and there are actually more dancers willing to perform than there are spots available.
GUILFOYLE: Exactly. Exactly.
SHILLUE: They all want to get in on the inauguration, right?
BOLLING: Maybe the one who was against it wasn't invited to dance.
GUILFOYLE: Just so crazy.
SHILLUE: She says her friend who is part of it feels unsafe or something, Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: Is that what it is?
SHILLUE: She doesn't want to wear that costume.
GUILFOYLE: No safe spaces for the legs, is that what it is? I don't know. I'm available if they're tight for a couple spots.
NAUERT: Right, Kimberly?
GUILFOYLE: You've got to be recession-proof these days. You've got to do a lot of different jobs.
NAUERT: You would be great out there.
GUILFOYLE: Thank you, Heather.
NAUERT: Does anyone care, by the way? Does anyone care if this so-called Mary -- and by the way, that's not her real name, because she feared retribution when speaking to Marie Claire magazine. Does anyone really care if all the Rockettes show up? I mean, Rockettes are nice and everything. Everybody loves the Rockettes. But come on, Mary, give me a break.
GUILFOYLE: Mary, Mary, quite contrary.
NAUERT: Hold on a second. One of these people told Marie Claire, an African-American woman in the troupe, she fears for her rights and her safety under an administration with reported white supremacists in its ranks.
ROGINSKY: Wow.
NAUERT: Oh, please. This says as much about Marie Claire as it does about this dopey Mary.
GUILFOYLE: Somebody needs some attention. Is that what it is?
SHILLUE: Can you blame them, from the press that they're reading? I mean, if they tune into the mainstream media, that's where they're getting all these ideas in their heads, right?
NAUERT: True.
SHILLUE: Julie, I'm not surprised at this, because you know the Rockettes are pretty much synonymous with modern feminism. Right?
ROGINSKY: Well, you know, I unfortunately did not meet the height requirements for the Rockettes. So I have a little bit of a grudge against them. Also, I...
NAUERT: You have the legs, though, Julie.
GUILFOYLE: You have a grudge against the Rockettes?
ROGINSKY: Because they have, like, a 5'5"...
NAUERT: You have to be 5'6".
ROGINSKY: Five, six. I'm a little -- I'm too short.
SHILLUE: Well, they just want that wonderful line up there. They want everyone to be the same.
ROGINSKY: Don't excuse it. They're heightists.
NAUERT: Sounds like -- sounds like...
ROGINSKY: Remember Elaine on "Seinfeld," remember how she danced? She's like a Rockette compared to how I dance. So I would never qualify.
But I will say this. She also said that they've had people not show up, so they've had empty seats this year, which never happens around Christmastime. And she thinks it's because of the backlash against the Rockettes dancing -- Radio City.
SHILLUE: Maybe it's the other way. Maybe people...
ROGINSKY: They're not showing up out of solidarity?
SHILLUE: Maybe there's Trump supporters out there who are sick of them complaining about having to go to the inauguration, so they don't want to go see their show.
GUILFOYLE: They should be only so lucky to be able to perform and be asked to perform. This is a great country. We have a democracy. We have a new president. Everybody needs to put their big-boy pants on or their pantyhose or whatever and get over it. I mean, it's so crazy.
SHILLUE: Eric.
BOLLING: Wasn't there a young lady who now has been tapped to sing the national anthem, I think? And her album sales are off the charts right now, because someone else allegedly said they weren't going to do it. So she said, "I'll do it." And look at her: she's going to be a superstar.
Donald Trump is right: "I don't need celebrities and superstars. I need people, real people."
GUILFOYLE: An election about the people, about the American...
ROGINSKY: Why does he hang out with Kanye if he doesn't need celebrities?
BOLLING: No, no. Kanye came to him to kiss the ring. Please. Let's make this very clear.
ROGINSKY: Why is he hanging out with Kanye?
BOLLING: He didn't hang out. Kanye showed up and said, "Hey." By the way, I don't think he was invited to show up. I think he just showed up.
ROGINSKY: So if I, like, show up to Trump Tower, could I get upstairs?
BOLLING: Are you Kanye?
ROGINSKY: That's my point. He does need to hang out with celebrities.
BOLLING: No, he said, "You can come up."
GUILFOYLE: He has said from the beginning have an open mind, wants to sit down and talk to everybody, why not?
SHILLUE: Why don't they not do the showbiz at all at the inauguration? I mean, just go no celebrities, no nothing, no songs, just get up there, take the swearing in and get to work?
ROGINSKY: I like that. I like that idea.
SHILLUE: All the contrast.
BOLLING: Hey, Rockettes...
GUILFOYLE: The best entertainment is going to be the new president speaking with his inaugural address anyway. So that's going to be a tough act to follow.
NAUERT: It's going to be a tremendous address.
SHILLUE: Exactly. So don't, you know...
ROGINSKY: It's going to be tremendous. The best address ever. The biggest. Biggest.
NAUERT: Yes.
SHILLUE: Big league.
OK, Next, Kimberly and Eric have a very exciting show this weekend to tell you about. So make sure you stay tuned. Here's a sneak peek. Back in a moment.
GUILFOYLE: There is your big hand in my shot.
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NAUERT: Well, 2016 winding down, and guess who is going to help us ring in the new year? Kimberly and Eric. Once again, this Saturday, they are back in Times Square hosting the "All-American New Year," so you don't want to miss that one. They will be ready to party with us, beginning at 11 a.m. Eastern, and bring on the bones.
What is that that you mean? Bones?
GUILFOYLE: Oh, the bones.
NAUERT: The chicken bones again. Everyone likes them.
GUILFOYLE: The chicken wings.
NAUERT: Buffalo wings.
GUILFOYLE: Actually, maybe we should add that in, a little chicken wing eating contest. A lot of people will be having delicious snacks: pigs in a blanket, chicken wings.
NAUERT: Exactly.
GUILFOYLE: Unbelievable treats.
BOLLING: Yes, you against Omarosa or Naked Cowboy? All three, because you would kill.
GUILFOYLE: I'm a killer, yes, I'll take them on.
NAUERT: I want to tell you about how excited people are to start out the new year. There are some great new polls out, and one of them shows that people are fired up about 2017. A majority think that life will be better in the coming year. President-elect Donald Trump is taking some credit for some positive news these days, tweeting this: The U.S. Consumer Confidence Index for December surged nearly four points to 113, the highest level in more than 15 years. Thanks, Donald.
And another poll show that 55 percent of Americans say that they are optimistic about the future, and that's up 12 points from last year. Kimberly, what do you think about this?
GUILFOYLE: I love this. I feel optimistic, too, because why not? Let's just see what we can get done in this country. I'm excited about people looking forward to having some jobs, to putting America first, to stimulating the economy, to having a great infrastructure. Let's rebuild, starting with New York, some of these roads and the streets out here, thanks to de Blasio. I mean, there's a lot to be done. And I think that people are really -- at least people that supported him -- are enthusiastic and are optimistic. And I like to see that.
And I hope that, you know, the Democrats and the liberals -- right, Julie? -- give him a chance.
ROGINSKY: I'm scared out of my mind, but I'm happy for everybody else.
NAUERT: Are you really?
ROGINSKY: All joking aside, I am -- well, I don't want to get depressing here, so I'm going to say -- I'm going to just say I hope you guys are all right. I hope everybody who's optimistic is right, and I will leave it at that, because I want to be positive for the new year.
NAUERT: There's some exciting things to talk about. We had Carrier keeping the jobs here. I love this. Boeing is talking about keeping the price down for Air Force One. Lockheed Martin saying over the weekend, its CEO saying that they're going to work with the United States on bringing down the cost of the F-35. Then we have this news about the phone jobs earlier today with Donald Trump. So we've got some good things to look forward to.
BOLLING: Do you know how important that Boeing things is? It's not -- it doesn't seem like a lot of money, $1 billion on a scale of a $4.2 or 4.3 trillion-dollar budget.
NAUERT: I love the idea that a U.S. president is sticking up for us even in the smallest of ways, and that companies are responding to that.
BOLLING: That was my point, is that it's -- even just $1 billion out of a $4.2 trillion budget. He wants to cut $1 billion off the cost. That's fantastic. It's a heads-up to every corporation that does business with the United States, like you know what? If we don't like the deal you've struck for us over the last whatever, 10, 20, 30 years, we're going to renegotiate the deal. And Donald Trump is -- he loves making a good deal. And I think he's going to be great at this.
Julie, I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised.
ROGINSKY: I hope you're right. I honestly hope you're right.
SHILLUE: You have to be pleasantly surprised, because the people have been talking Armageddon. So no matter what Trump does, he's going to exceed expectations. I mean, the way they're talking, if he doesn't start a nuclear war, it's a success for Trump.
ROGINSKY: That's what I'm scared of.
SHILLUE: Exactly.
ROGINSKY: You nailed why I'm a little terrified.
SHILLUE: But you and your friends have set the bar so low. And you've also hyped up -- you, the hysteria that has taken hold in the American left. And just basically, all the Democrats -- I mean, the hysteria is at all-time highs, which means...
ROGINSKY: All true.
SHILLUE: ... the relief that will come next fall when all is fine.
ROGINSKY: You know what? When I don't die in a nuclear holocaust, I will be incredibly relieved and very happy.
SHILLUE: See? Low bar.
GUILFOYLE: Hillary Clinton is more of a hawk than Donald Trump. This is, like, a whole made-up, bizarre boogeyman thing.
ROGINSKY: I don't know what Donald Trump is. That's what scares me. Yes.
NAUERT: Really?
SHILLUE: They're worried about all the wrong things.
ROGINSKY: I just don't want somebody to tweet him something that he doesn't like and then, you know, the next thing, yada, yada, yada, they end up with a tactical nuclear weapon.
BOLLING: I hope he -- I hope he tweets from the POTUS account. That would be fantastic -- Obama does.
ROGINSKY: I'm sure he will.
BOLLING: That would be great.
ROGINSKY: I'm sure he will.
BOLLING: So many people want him to stop tweeting. I hope he stays on that.
ROGINSKY: OK.
NAUERT: OK. Predictions for 2017, anybody?
ROGINSKY: I hope I remain alive.
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.
ROGINSKY: To lose now, like, raise the bar for me to exceed -- so I feel better already. I feel more optimistic already. Thank you.
BOLLING: Fantastic. Should we predict a fantastic New Year's Eve?
GUILFOYLE: Absolutely. Yes. I'm excited, because we're going to be down with the crowd. It's going to be very cool. Right by the NADSAQ. But we're going to go down and do a little bit of...
SHILLUE: With the people?
GUILFOYLE: Yes.
SHILLUE: Right there?
GUILFOYLE: Yes.
BOLLING: Just think about last year we were on the top of the Knickerbocker Hotel, 55 stories up.
SHILLUE: Looking down on people. That's what you like best.
BOLLING: No, but then -- no, no, no. Stop it.
She and I went down and did a thing for FOX broadcast around 10 p.m. or something. And while we're down there, we're walking through the crowd. NYPD wants to talk to Kimberly, wants to take pictures. And she goes, "Hey, Bolling." I turn around and Vanilla Ice. She's talking to Vanilla Ice.
GUILFOYLE: Vanilla Ice, Jenny McCarthy, a whole bunch. Yes.
BOLLING: A bunch of people were -- like, they had the roads so you could go talk to people. It was just where we needed to be. We needed to be down there instead of up top.
GUILFOYLE: It was fun.
BOLLING: Literally, there's a million people.
GUILFOYLE: The point is everybody was there from all over the world. Everybody wants to be in Times Square. So we're really in the epicenter of, like, ringing in the new year. It's everybody's bucket list. They want to come to Times Square. So many people say, "Oh, you're so lucky."
Yes, it's going to be cold, but guess what? When you're down there, the enthusiasm...
BOLLING: Energy, energy.
GUILFOYLE: ... the energy. Everybody is so pumped up. They've been standing there for hours just to be able to get a spot right where the barricades are, to be there and experience the whole thing.
You see all the performers up close. Remember, we saw Miley Cyrus right here, as close as you are to me, Julie. Not my favorite, but...
NAUERT: We'll look for you at the chicken wings.
GUILFOYLE: Yes.
NAUERT: We will be watching Eric and Kimberly and the whole team....
GUILFOYLE: Thanks, Heather.
NAUERT: ... of FOX folks there on New Year's Eve.
"One More Thing" is coming up next.
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GUILFOYLE: All right. Well, it's time now for "One More Thing." Kimberly, you go first.
All right. So tonight -- I love calling on myself. It's so fun. A little teacher thing. Tonight I am in for my good friend, Sean Hannity. Really excited about doing that. We have a fantastic show planned, so I hope that -- I'm in for him for the rest of the week, and also, Bolling, you're in for O'Reilly. So we're going to love it. We're going to get a little, like, "Five" supersized. Right?
BOLLING: Primetime.
GUILFOYLE: All right. Primetime. For now. OK, Eric.
BOLLING: OK. As Kimberly pointed out, I'll be sitting in for Bill O'Reilly at 8 p.m. Make sure you watch that and then stay tuned through the evening with Kimberly.
GUILFOYLE: Give us a good lead-in, Bolling.
BOLLING: I'm going to say this right now. Blue lives matter. Right? Blue lives matter. Some -- a disturbing statistic, according to Officer Down -- Officer Down webpage, 140 officers have been killed in action this year, and that's up from 130. A hundred and forty is too many. It's insane. It's got to stop. Respect police officers. And let's turn it around. Let's make 2017 a year that blue lives, in fact, do matter.
GUILFOYLE: Absolutely. God bless them and their families and the sacrifice. They put on the line every day.
All right. Julie.
ROGINSKY: So, we've, as we know, lost a lot of people over the last year, starting with David Bowie back in January, ending yesterday, tragically, with Carrie Fisher.
But one man named Dimitros Hosikos (ph) -- I think that's how you pronounce his name -- has started a Go Fund Me page to keep Betty White alive until 2017. Because we obviously can't afford to lose the national treasure that is Betty White. He said that, if he raises the money -- he's already exceeded the $2,000 he wanted to raise -- he will -- and I quote, "If she's OK with it, I will fly to wherever Betty White is and keep her safe until January 1."
SHILLUE: Wow, that's...
ROGINSKY: But, in the event that -- and I quote -- "she doesn't want a strange Greek standing guard outside her door."
GUILFOYLE: You think?
ROGINSKY: Maybe she does, maybe she doesn't, and of course, you can't prevent the Grim Reaper.
GUILFOYLE: A little stalker-ish.
ROGINSKY: He says he will donate the money to The Spartanburg Little Theater, which I think is very nice. But I love Betty White, and I hope she makes it.
BOLLING: We all do.
GUILFOYLE: Everyone loves Betty White.
ROGINSKY: Godspeed to Betty White.
GUILFOYLE: Praying is a very sweet way to do this.
OK, Heather.
NAUERT: This is a story I love today, and that is, Kimberly, you've got a little boy. This is so crafty for this child to have done. Six-year-old little girl named Ashland decides that she wants to buy some Pokemon junk - - right? -- on her mom's iPhone. Her mom won't buy it for her. Her mom takes a nap. Her mom is snoring away. The little girl goes up to the mom in the bed, grabs mom's thumbprint and uses that thumbprint to then open up her iPhone and buy $250 worth of Pokemon junk. What a little hellion. That is exactly what my boys would do. No doubt.
So they were on "FOX & Friends" this morning. Listen to what they had to say.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She told me, "No, Mommy, I was shopping."
And I said, "Oh, really?"
And she said, "Oh, but don't worry. They're all going to ship right here to the house."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ashland, did you know what you were doing? Yes you did. I see the smile on your face. She knew exactly what she was doing.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.
NAUERT: There you go.
GUILFOYLE: This happens to me every day. Of course. And then he changed the code, the pass thing on my phone, to his thumb. It's unbelievable.
NAUERT: You can't buy things but your son can.
GUILFOYLE: Then I'm like, "Can you buy some hair spray for your mom."
ROGINSKY: If my son is watching this right now, I'm coming to come and get you, because you're giving him ideas that he's going to get in his head.
NAUERT: No question. I thought the kids weren't watching when we did that story.
All right. Tom.
SHILLUE: Cases of fraud.
GUILFOYLE: Got to start young. Be very enterprising.
SHILLUE: "Wall Street Journal" did best ads of 2016. Take a look at some of these. Some of them are kind of creepy. Look at the Taco Bell ad. You can turn your face into a taco, and it was hugely successful.
BOLLING: As opposed to putting the taco into your face.
SHILLUE: Yes. So people loved doing that. Big huge snapchat campaign.
The puppy monkey baby from Mountain Dew. I saw it. It's like a living nightmare, and I thought this ad is not going to work at all. It worked. It was huge. Sales went through the roof for this product.
NAUERT: I had just forgotten about that, and now you reminded me.
SHILLUE: Puppy monkey baby. It's a nightmare.
And then the most successful ad, the return of the "Can you hear me now?" guy. He used to be with Verizon. Now he switched to Sprint. How can we trust this man at all? He's the biggest turncoat in advertising history.
ROGINSKY: I agree.
BOLLING: Flip-flopper.
SHILLUE: Yes.
GUILFOYLE: All right. Yes, sounds good.
Set your DVRs so you never miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us. "Special Report" is next. And then Bolling on O'Reilly and me on "Hannity." Keep it going, FOX News, baby.
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