Community leaders absent as violence in Baltimore skyrockets

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," May 29, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Bolling along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Julie Roginsky, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

Well, don't say we didn't warn you, Baltimore is a mess. Homicides are historic levels, arrests are way down and cops are in the fire from bad guys and from people who should be supporting them. Since Trayvon Martin, we've seen a trend. These so-called community leaders only call for justice when there's a political gain to be had.


AL SHARPTON, MSNBC HOST: Trayvon represents a reckless disregard for our life that we see too long. And we come to tell you tonight, enough is enough.

PASTOR CHARLES EWING, BROWN'S UNCLE: Michael Brown's blood is crying from the ground, crying for vision, crying for justice.

MARILYN MOSBY, BALTIMORE'S CITY STATE'S ATTORNEY: Your peace is sincerely needed as I work to deliver justice on behalf of Freddie Gray.


BOLLING: Disgraceful. And yesterday, two more senseless homicides in Baltimore, a woman and her 7-year-old son gunned down, making them the 37th and 38th homicide victims in this city month. Rich Lowry, writing in POLITICO nailed and saying, quote, "If you are a young black man shot in the head by another young black man, almost certainly no one will know your name, you are a statistic, not a cause, just another dead black kid in some city somewhere, politically useless to progressives and the media." Harsh criticism by Lowry but, I kind of agree with him. Do you agree with him?

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Well, I think that what Rich is reflecting something he's been a reporter and an editor in National Review for a long time, so he's been covering this for years. And he's also is -- I think quite an expert when it comes to urban development and urban issues and cities. So when he speaks about something like this, I think it is with some experience, and also some passion because he's looking at this saying, OK, but where are those protests on behalf of these people?


PERINO: There's not going to be and we all know the reason why. So he's saying truthful words. I think that they might be hurtful to some people. Every time I hear that I think well, we deserve more -- you need to help us, and maybe they do need help. One of the things I was just thinking is, at this point, the Baltimore Police Department, this might be a time when they do want to reach to the federal government and ask for either some sort of help, whether be more advisers or somebody, a task force or something to come in and help them try to handle on things.

BOLLING: Julie, do you -- what to call out the so-called community leaders who used big times like this, when it's politically expedient for them, to use them and make cases out --


BOLLING: Out of these different tragedies whereas, as Rich points out, literally hundreds of black men are being killed on a weekly or monthly basis, and no one's talking about.

ROGINSKY: I do and I did it earlier in the weekend. I want to reiterate that again. Look, you have people like Al Sharpton, I'm surely not a fan of his, who is the first to protest when there's a Freddie Gray being shot, and by the way, there shouldn't be a protest, what happened to Freddie Gray was an excusable. But, what happens every day in places like Baltimore and Chicago and parts of New York and every inner city is inexcusable as well. And I think it's progressive, so we have a duty to remember that we are not just here to protest against the man, we are also here to protest against the fact that there are millions of children whose lives are put in danger every single day by the circumstances in their communities and we need to. I don't know the answers are quite frankly and certainly the longer discussion in the segment but, we need to not just invest in those communities, we need to take a hard look at the fact that these people are in danger and address it and not just grandstand the way Al Sharpton seems to do.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Ugly fact here is when you make fewer arrests, they tends to be more crime and those who suffer are not rioters at salon or slate or media matters, they are actually minorities in those communities. We talk about truce between gangs during the rioting and the looting. That was a lie. We see that now because a lot of these people are victims of gang violence. So there really never was a truce to stop the violence. However, the problem that I see, the bigger problem with this is it's now becoming another one of those political ping-pong games where you have the activist groups on one side, and you have the pro law enforcement on the other side and we are all using, we are all using bad things to bolster our, our arguments.

So when we look at the looters, we say see, see, see and they see somebody shot, they go, I told you so. There are three things that I think that you could to be done. One, we have to acknowledge that there are past sins that have been done against blacks, that have contributed to the way society has been for the past 40 to 50 years. But we also have to acknowledge after that time there has been a decline in values, there's a climate family structure, and that has affected the community just as bad. And the third thing is, admitting that the government policies that were put in place to address these sins and these ills have done nothing to make it better. In fact, they have done to make it worse. The end result is you really need -- we need to stop playing politics and admit that the body of politics is always been sided in the cities. It's time for the left to listen to the right. To let black conservatives in and listen to them, and if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. But it can't get any worse.

GUILFOYLE: What are they so afraid of?

GUTFELD: Yeah, yes.


GUTFELD: They are afraid of being wrong, it shouldn't be.

GUILFOYLE: They are afraid of being wrong, they are afraid of losing the money, the momentum for their causes because it has become very politically rich for them to be able to do this. They are able to get out there, their voice for the organizations and they profit off of the loss of life and the destruction in communities. That's the truth.

BOLLING: You're right. So they can, they can -- these community leaders are African-American community leaders, can make a big thing that can get to the podium, they can make a big push and say, we need to fix this problem when it's a police officer who kills a young black man. We have a woman and a child shot last night. A woman and a child, did anyone know that? Did any of the community leaders get out there and say, this has got to stop, we have to fix this? No. Right? Unless it was a cop shooting a woman and a child and they were -- in the races were a white cop and a black woman --I guarantee, we'd see every one of them today.

ROGINSKY: But you're absolutely right. And this is the part that infuriates me about my side and I feel like more people should be saying this who liberal as I am. Look, there's an epidemic going on in our cities and we can't just show up when, as you said there is a white cop shooting a black suspect which, by the way, more often than not I think there's reason for people to protest that. But you also have to show up when one African- American kills another African-American. You can't just let it go. You can't just say, well, you know, we're only going to focus on the white versus black racial aspect of this.

GUILFOYLE: That's only narrative that they are interested in advancing and focusing on which is a real shame because to me, that's racist. Why it doesn't it matter when you have one black shooting another black and killing -- loss of life should matter, regardless of the color of the skin, regardless of who is behind the trigger. Like care about it and do the right thing. I think it's just -- it's very morally corrupt to not do so.

ROGINSKY: That's right.

BOLLING: So we had the deadliest month in Baltimore's last -- probably 15 years or so and one of the deadliest in their history and a lot of -- and people are trying to figure out, but we've been talking about this at the table when you point fingers at law enforcement, you would expect something like this was gonna happen. The confusion created by the community leaders is dangerous and deadly. Listen to Baltimore Police Commissioner Anthony Batts, expressing the concerns, his officers have when engaging a suspect, even if it just a traffic stop.


ANTHONY BATTS, BALTIMORE POLICE COMMISSIONER: There are a lot of levels of confusion within the police organization. They have said this to me, so repeating (ph) them it's like if I get out of the car and I make a stopped for reasonable suspicion, unthinkable, reasonable suspicion on lays on probable cause, but I make a mistake on it. Will I be arrested for it?


BOLLING: I can't imagine having to be on the front lines with little on bad guys and not knowing that my decisions will be supported or if I'm gonna be arrested for them. That confusion is resulting in a dramatic drop of in arrest, and Greg pointed that out, just a minute ago, but here are the numbers in Baltimore, the grim numbers. Arrests are down, year over year -- Greg, 58 percent.


GUTFELD: Imagine if you -- when you did The Five, and one of your opinions was off, you could be prosecuted or demonized or go to jail. That's how it is for cops. They are in a profession that if you do the job incorrectly, or proceeding incorrectly, it's over for you because there isn't any supporter backup. If you make a mistake as a plumber, you know, you fix it and everything goes on or you get sued. But if you make a mistake as a cop, you are more infamous than Jesse James, everything's over. Maybe you deserve it when you make that mistake. But on the hole, you don't smear an entire department, an entire profession based on isolated incidents. We don't do that with radical Islam. Why do we do that to the police?


GUILFOYLE: I know. It's terrible. You don't do that to firemen, do you?

GUTFELD: Yeah. Well, sometimes.

GUILFOYLE: I mean --


BOLLING: I'm reading a couple of headlines.

GUILFOYLE: It's just (inaudible). What?

BOLLING: From one website, murder rate jumps 58 percent in New York City, Baltimore gets bloodier as arrests drop. Shootings involve children up 500 percent. Kids are afraid to walk to school. What do we expect?

GUILFOYLE: Well, the community is under siege and this is what happens when you demonize a nation wearing blue and that's the problem because they are less -- you know, they are more reluctant to get involved or to pursue or attract the leads down to do these type of things because they are worried actually, about getting arrested now or getting prosecuted more than they are even worried about getting shot. That's how crazy this has become, and you're -- they have been putting on the line for thousands and thousands and thousands of years in communities, to try and make it better. And now it's like all -- when they wake up in the morning, they are all of a sudden the bad guy. How this happen?

BOLLING: Yeah. How did we get here?

ROGINSKY: Well, I think we got here to a variety of accomplished of those events, quite honestly, on both the right and the left. But I will say this, you know -- you're upset and Kimberly, I think you made this point. You shouldn't demonize the entire department.


ROGINSKY: In the acts of a few bad people, and there are bad people who needs to be prosecuted. Look, I think what happened to Eric Garner here in New York was not excusable. And people may disagree with that, but those people need, need to have been prosecuted. They are not. You can't demonize the entire --

GUILFOYLE: But entire, there was a finding on that, right?

ROGINSKY: You can't -- there was.


ROGINSKY: But you can't demonize an entire NYPD, based on what happened to him. You can't demonize an entire Baltimore Police Department based on what happened to Freddie Gray. Although, those cops, I believe, based on the evidence so far, should be looked at.

PERINO: But let me just say something a little - to something to watch tomorrow, the former mayor of Baltimore and former governor of Maryland, Martin O'Malley is going to announce his plans to run for president. It will be interesting to see if he includes any sort of solutions or thoughts on this fact that his city is in this much trouble.

GUILFOYLE: People are planning on protesting and then saying, that in fact, he had direct hands in a link to what happened and the violence and eruption of it in Baltimore and the police department because of his politics and ideology with respect to policing. So wait for that. They will be protesting him and trying to tie him into it.

BOLLING: All right. We'll leave it there. Next, the five Taliban commanders engage -- exchange for Bowe Bergdahl could be free to return to the battlefield in just days. Well, the White House do something to stop their release and it's Facebook Friday, post your questions for us now in, we're gonna try and answer and respond to them, ahead.


GUILFOYLE: We took them off the battlefield and we traded them for an accused deserter. And on Monday, the Taliban five has set to be free again, when their one-year travel ban expires in Qatar. Lawmakers like Jason Chaffetz, are extremely concerned. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JASON CHAFFETZ, UTAH CONGRESSMAN: Monday morning, they are going to regain -- rejoin the fight. Are they have been caught calling and communicating with the Taliban. This is one of the biggest mistakes President Obama has ever made in releasing those five because there are men, women -- somebody's child is going to have to get back in that fight and go engage with them again.


GUILFOYLE: But the White House doesn't seem worried about them returning to battle.


JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: We have a relationship with Qatar, where we transferred a number of detainees with some security restrictions in place. To ensure -- and this is something that the secretary of defense certified to, that these individuals did not pose an undue threat to the national security --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But are you appealing to that government now to the man they stay longer, yes or no?

EARNEST: So we are in, we are in touch with the Qataris about what sort of arrangements we believe are necessary to protect the American people.


GUILFOYLE: OK. This is a troubling issue to many Americans, and it should be, Dana, because this is of real concern, they are going to be back in business through some kind of bizarre jobs program, courtesy of the United States and the administration.

PERINO: Well, actually they will be supported also by their fellow Taliban and it's likely they will rejoin the fight. I think they know that. But one thing I think about this that we probably won't ever know about and until there is some movie made about it in the years ahead is that we knew that this was coming. The federal government knew it was coming and even though our Intel resources are not -- the most robust that they ever been in that region, I would imagine that there will be surveillance of these guys. However, this is coinciding with a possible lapse in our intelligence gathering because there's a congressional fight over the NSA program and what he was just was about saying, what Chaffetz and Josh Earnest were saying is that, we know that the Taliban, these five in particular have been communicating by phone and e-mail with people overseas, whether that be in the United States or not, I mean, that is something that we have to be really mindful of. It's -- it's happened at a really bad time.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah. The timing is a little bit conspicuous and it does kind of, you know highlight the fact that right now those people arguing very strong, very (inaudible) about. You know the NSA and overreach by the government, a counterbalance on the other side, with the idea of liberties and freedoms and privacy rights in the United States. Eric, you're on the opposite side on this issue.

BOLLING: Why don't see what one has to do with the other. One, of course, we're gonna track every Taliban phone call, and everyone who associate with the Taliban and one who calls someone who ends up calling a Taliban. The NSA issue is far bigger picture, far more wide sweeping and people who may have any contact with the Taliban. So I, I don't wanna --

GUTFELD: How so?

BOLLING: Well because the NSA issues that you can't data mine the full American public because you want and to hope to find the needle in the haystack. I mean, we could -- we could rehash this if you want, and I'm --

GUTFELD: No. I just got -- I just want thanks --

BOLLING: I'm fine with it. Are we saying that the Taliban -- we're not going to track the phone calls that everyone that they call? Of course we gonna do that. All right, so but --

GUTFELD: But I mean, I guess you're out (ph) when you're saying is, you're in favor of profiling, basically. That's -- I mean because that's the only other option you have. If you don't data mine, if you don't do the bulk collection, the only other option you have is to profile. Just be honest about it, I want Rand Paul to say, I am pro profiling, and that will go, good for you because that's the unspoken truth.

BOLLING: I'm not speaking for Rand Paul, I'll speak for myself. Yeah, profile.

GUTFELD: OK. That's good.

BOLLING: Go to (inaudible) court and say, I approve, I want to go after this person, this group of five or this group of 500 and name them, no problem, but I don't want --

PERINO: I don't know who they are.


BOLLING: Because I'm gonna go to --

(CROSSTALK) BOLLING: I want to go after 310 million Americans, but --

GUILFOYLE: No, but you're (inaudible) the point. You have to be able to identify them with specificity and you have to have information to do so.

BOLLING: And in the court -- no, you don't.


BOLLING: No, you --

GUILFOYLE: It's not all these things here like did.

BOLLING: No, you don't.

GUIFOYLE: How do you know which one?

BOLLING: Absolutely.

GUILFOYLE: You want to say like --

BOLLING: No, you don't.

GUILFOYLE: I want to say those --

BOLLING: No, you don't. K.G., unfortunately, you don't need to name, you don't need to name for --

GUILFOYLE: Like, how do you point --

BOLLING: Under the paycheck, apparently.

GUILFOYLE: To identify them. The point is you have to have some kind of --

BOLLING: Like who?

GUILFOYLE: OK, OK, this isn't making --

BOLLING: That's the point. If you identify them, you can go ahead --

PERINO: Well, the people that you want to profile.

BOLLING: Right, right.

PERINO: Perhaps, you profile them.

BOLLING: When you identify, you can -- you can profile them --

GUILFOYLE: How do you identify them without the information?

GUTFELD: You get the profiles first.

GUILFOYLE: That's what they --

GUTFELD: You profile before you identify.

BOLLING: So we're OK at this table with --

GUILFOYLE: I know, I'm asking --

BOLLING: Gathering the data of 310 --

ROGINSKY: I'm not aware of it (ph).

BOLLING: Million Americans who may have nothing to do with terrorism whatsoever, but it's OK, we're going to collect all the data.

ROGINSKY: I'm a doom (ph), I'm not OK with it.

BOLLING: I'm just not (inaudible) --


GUILFOYLE: I'm talking having a wider net and in investigation, so that you don't let them -- people --

BOLLING: Did I say we shouldn't have a wide --


BOLLING: Did one say, we shouldn't have a wide --

GUILFOYLE: Ok, I'm good. Here's what I'm saying, you have to be able to conduct an investigation.

BOLLING: Of course.

GUILFOYLE: Part of a thorough and thorough investigation --

BOLLING: Well, of course, and I am for them.

GUILFOYLE: Or to saying, let's just go, look at all the Muslim, listen to their phone calls. If you have to cast a broader, wider net.

BOLLING: No one said --

GUILFOYLE: Again, they --

BOLLING: No one, no one at this table has ever said --

GUILFOYLE: On listening, forgetting information --

BOLLING: Has ever disagreed with a wider --

GUILFOYLE: You should focus and narrow it now.

BOLLING: A broader, wider net as long as you focus -- as long as you identify --

GUTFELD: How do you identify?

PERINO: That's the question.

GUTFELD: How do you identify? That's all I'm asking. Very simple question, how do you identify?

ROGINSKY: You're right, you profile.

GUTFELD: Yeah, you profile.


GUTFELD: Say you profile it --

BOLLING: I did say it.


BOLLING: Profile away. But don't make the full extent, the whole population of America, your profile.


GUTFELD: What's connection (ph) here with Obama? ROGINSKY: Or the entire Muslim population --

BOLLING: Some sort of connection to terrorism or --

ROGINSKY: What was that?

BOLLING: Or an alleged --

GUILFOYLE: But how do you get the connection to find the information to be able to do that?

ROGINSKY: But right now, with the connections on this one --

GUILFOYLE: From where?

ROGINSKY: Because I'm on your side on this. Right now, all of our information may be mined. It's not like they are going through it with a fine-tooth comb to see if Greg Gutfeld --


ROGINSKY: Or Julie Roginsky or anybody else, have the connections. I assume there are metrics.

PERINO: It's like so for example.

ROGINSKY: That to be used --

PERINO: So, for example, the guy of this week, he was busted in Texas, arrested for trying to provide material support to ISIS. American guy, American name, American sounding name, no one that you wouldn't necessarily have said, Oh, I'm going to put him on my little profile list. But let's say one of these five Taliban people called somebody overseas, but then they said -- somehow you make it can -- it's not like you would think, you don't even know who it is. It's like, whoa, that number actually matches, how -- why does that number match? That's why we've got to go and try to check it out. That's when you go to the court and say, we've got a ping on these two numbers. Are we allowed then -- judge, can we please them go forward and to check this out --


PERINO: And then the judge says, yes or no.



BOLLING: I mean, it's always gonna be, yes.


PERINO: If I gonna have a ping of a terrorist calling to America, I hope its yes.

BOLLING: Of course it is. But no one say -- you suggest that I'm saying you shouldn't be able to data mine people --

PERINO: And saying, how do you -- I'm saying that your -- that's law in your -- in the argument is that you don't have to find that the people that you want him to profile.


GUILFOYLE: Information acquisition. How do you develop the fact, how do you develop the circumstances, the probable cause to be able to say, we have suspicious of this person --

BOLLING: Probable cause.

GUILFOYLE: Is actually --

BOLLING: You nailed it, K.G. Probable cause. You got probable cause, go ahead. Go for it.

GUTFELD: And how do you identify that?

GUILFOYLE: You don't understand that.


GUILFOYLE: How do you get the probable cause? You have to do an investigation. You have to be able to go out there and say --


BOLLING: You mean to say, you have probable cause for the full extent of the population.


ROGINSKY: No. We got -- it's a search and seizure issue. Just because of you might --

BOLLING: Of course it is. ROGINSKY: The fact that somebody has drugs on them, doesn't mean that all of them need to be pull over and patted down as --


PERINO: Julie, that's very irresponsible, Julie.

ROGINSKY: That's not.

PERINO: We're not talking about a drug deal.


ROGINSKY: I'm sorry but what --

GUTFELD: Talking about --

PERINO: Talking about a ping of a phone call.

GUTFELD: Both data collection.


GUTFELD: We're not -- we're not getting in your phones. If there are abuses in the process, then you address the abuses, but you don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

ROGINSKY: No, no, but you're talking --

GUTFELD: Is it necessary? Unless, unless you're OK with profiling. But in a long run --


GUTFELD: But in the long run, profiling will not work as terrorists change. They will no longer look like --

ROGINSKY: Right. GUTFELD: The terrorist that you think they do.

ROGINSKY: I'm not, I'm not -- I don't want to profile people based on their ethnicity or their religion. I want to profile people based on whatever metrics the profilers come up with, they said that you're in --


GUTFELD: How do they get the metrics?

ROGINSKY: The metrics would evolve. I would hope our national security people --


PERINO: That's what the profile is.

GUTFELD: That's the NSA program.


PERINO: Yes, they actually does.

ROGINSKY: No, because the NSA program --

GUTFELD: I don't know, (inaudible).

ROGINSKY: All of our data --


ROGINSKY: No, because all of our data collect -- let me put you this way, all of our data collection, I shouldn't have my phone calls gone through. I'm sorry, I shouldn't.

GUTFELD: Believe me. You're not going through your phone calls.

ROGINSKY: Well you know what, then why do they have them?

GUTFELD: Well because --

PERINO: they have your call.

GUTFELD: It's the haystack.

ROGINSKY: Oh, my God.

GUTFELD: So that they can find it when they think they have --


GUTFELD: When they are looking for something.

ROGINSKY: If they're looking --

GUTFELD: Don't worry, they are not after you.

ROGINSKY: If they are looking for something?

GUILFOYLE: Well because --


ROGINSKY: Go to the (inaudible) game.

GUILFOYLE: If you get a call to one of these guys, then that's gonna ping and then they gonna say, no, we gonna take a closer look at her. And then that will be warrant because what --


GUILFOYLE: What she is doing.

ROGINSKY: Warrant is all right.

BOLLING: That's correct.

ROGINSKY: I agree with Eric.

PERINO: Oh my, gosh.

GUILFOYLE: All right. I mean, you know that's --

ROGINSKY: We're going to give Dana an aneurism right now.

PERINO: Because you guys don't ever answer that actual --

GUTFELD: Yeah. You won't answer with one question. PERINO: That you can only -- you just go round and round and you avoid the actual central question, of how do you find the people that you are trying to profile? GUILFOYLE: Well, how you --

PERINO: They just --


GUTFELD: The only thing left you have is data collection because profiling will never ever be the solution --

GUILFOYLE: Guys, how do you --

PERINO: And if something happens, I guarantee you --


PERINO: What the attack on civil liberties from the federal government if there's another attack will be worse than anything you ever imagined.

ROGINSKY: Well, I still have to say this. How do you find anything -- you know you think they are responsible, the drug analogies are responsible -- I don't because it's a crime, like any crimes, and that's the problem. How do you find anything without spending your civil liberties? You can just --


GUILFOYLE: Put everything goes. Just let it flow, come on in, open the border, who cares.

BOLLING: Has no one said that tape.

GUILFOYLE: No, we just have it on The Five.

BOLLING: Another pair of segment there. GUILFOYLE: You guys don't know what you're talking about there. I'm telling you --

BOLLING: That's fair to do that.

GUTFELD: He made the books to our foreigners.

GUILFOYLE: Still to come on The Five, Facebook Friday. Maybe that will go better. But first, news Clinton cash allegations. Thank god for the Clintons. Stay tuned.


ROGINSKY: Bill and Hillary Clinton have made a lot of money since they left the White House and Republicans are going to make sure voters know about every single penny. Here's the new ad in RNC.


HILLARY CLINTON, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Because we are gonna have to stand up to the people who want to keep the decks stacked in favor of those at the top. We're going to have to fight to make sure that the success of our country is shared across the economy, then you know the statistics. Something is wrong when top CEO's earn 300 times more than the typical American worker, or here's my latest least favorite statistic. The 25 biggest hedge fund managers earned more than all the kindergarten teachers in America combined.


ROGINSKY: So is this kind of criticism of the Clintons' wealth warranted, fair? Let me give you my 30 cents. Greg, I see that you're smirking right back at me. So I'm going to...

PERINO: Thirty cents is kind of a lot.

ROGINSKY: Not to the Clintons, it's not.

My attitude -- my attitude about it is this. I don't begrudge rich people running for office. God knows that FDR and JFK both came from very wealthy families but I think did more to help impoverished Americans than anybody else.

But my issue is with politicians who exploit their wealth and try to not have policies that don't actually do anything to help the middle class, which is what my problem with Mitt Romney was. Not the fact that he was rich.


ROGINSKY: That was what my problem with Mitt Romney was.


ROGINSKY: Not the fact that he was rich, but the fact that he...

PERINO: What policy would that be?

ROGINSKY: Well, there are many policies that...

PERINO: ... don't last (ph).

Do you think his policies were to help the rich? Are you out of your mind?

ROGINSKY: Well, yes. Actually, I was (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

GUTFELD: Health care.

ROGINSKY: But -- but let me just say this. Whether you agree with my view or not, you think -- I don't think there's a conflation between somebody's personal wealth and whether they should run for office or not, assuming that they're not actually pursuing policies that help them make a lot of money.

GUTFELD: Are you looking at me?

ROGINSKY: I am looking at you.

GUTFELD: Well, this is -- I mean, this is how -- this is what makes the left the left. Hypocrisy is OK in the pursuit of the greater good. They're for wealth as long as you don't have it.

PERINO: Right.

GUTFELD: If you're a Republican and rich, that's evil. But if you're a Democrat and rich, that's great.

The standards that liberals hold for Clinton -- Bill Clinton on sex are identical to the standards they hold for Hillary on greed and influence peddling. They're lower than a worm doing -- what's that?

GUILFOYLE: The Macarena?

GUTFELD: The limbo. She's trying to turn Occupy Wall Street into the Occupy White House. She's using all the cliches.

ROGINSKY: All right, great. Dana.

GUTFELD: "Great, I wasn't listening."


PERINO: Mitt Romney was being attacked for all sorts of things. But one of them being that when he was at -- in private equity, that one of the things they would do is they'd go in and fix the company, and then that sometimes that resulted in layoffs. You can just see this coming about Carly Fiorina, as well.

Whereas the Clintons, who amassed an amazing amount of wealth from foreign governments who want to influence top world leaders, including Hillary Clinton when she was at the State Department or approving mines for the Russians on uranium, that's OK because it's for the greater good, as Greg says.

Here's an example. Carly Fiorina gives 100 percent of the money she raises for her charities to the charity. The Clinton Foundation, what were the statistics?

BOLLING: Thirteen cents on the dollar.

PERINO: About 13 percent on the dollar. But it's OK, because there's no Democrat who could possibly be upset by the hypocrisy of the Clintons. We're just going to have to face that.

GUILFOYLE: That's crazy. The "H" stands for hypocrite.

PERINO: They don't care.

GUILFOYLE: It's a joke. I mean, and it's beating on the hedge fund guys. Like, really? Because you're taking all their money.

ROGINSKY: She is taking a lot of money. You think, actually...

GUILFOYLE: She's like a hedge fund, too. And so the Clinton Foundation -- cents on the dollars.

ROGINSKY: That's a good point.

BOLLING: She's very, very friendly to Wall Street, especially when she wanted -- when she ran for Senate. She was taking a lot of -- so was the Clinton Foundation, by the way. You can go to the Clinton Foundation and scroll through their donors. It's riddled with Wall Street firms. So this class warfare thing, that's the -- that's the liberal talking.

ROGINSKY: Assuming that she's going to -- assuming that she's going to stick to that.

BOLLING: She said she's basically championing the middle class. She's taking shots at people -- people who make a lot more money than the average people.

GUTFELD: She should be taking shots at President Obama, because the rich really got rich under him.

ROGINSKY: Well, we've got to leave it at that. Stay tuned. "Facebook Friday" is up next.


PERINO: All right. It's time now for one of our favorite segments on "The Five," "Facebook Friday." We answer your questions. Let's begin. I haven't even cheated.

GUILFOYLE: This is my favorite.

GUTFELD: I know. Usually you look.

PERINO: It says, "Please start here."


PERINO: I have instructions. To Greg from Becky D., "If you could have any guest you wanted on your new show, who would it be?"

GUTFELD: Well, she didn't say living or dead...


GUTFELD: ... so I would say Lee Marvin, but he's dead.


GUTFELD: So I have to pick somebody who's alive.

GUILFOYLE: If you're really good, you could bring him back to life.

GUTFELD: I could. I could.

PERINO: Betty White?

GUTFELD: Reanimate -- who?

PERINO: Betty White.

GUTFELD: Betty White. President Obama. I've been putting my calls in. He hasn't returned a single call yet. So we're going to meet for lunch first, feel each other out.

ROGINSKY: I'll work on it for you.

GUTFELD: Yes. You're friends with him.

ROGINSKY: We get on the 6 a.m. liberal daily phone call, where I get my talking points every day. I'll mention it to him.

GUTFELD: Please do.

PERINO: Kimberly, this is from Fred K. Do you have any advice for a minority criminal justice major who just graduated?

GUILFOYLE: Follow my lead.

PERINO: There you go. Read your book.

BOLLING: "Make the Case.

GUTFELD: "Make the Case."

GUILFOYLE: Here's what I'd say they should do. So get involved with some of the groups, like I was with La Raza legal association. There's a lot of mentoring groups that help people get connected with internships and things like that. That is very important, because you want to kind of have some experience to be able to get a job going forward.

GUTFELD: Did you say La Raza?

BOLLING: Yes, La Raza?

GUTFELD: Did you say La Raza? L-A -- I mean, R-A-Z-A?

GUILFOYLE: Yes. That's what the legal...

GUTFELD: But aren't they hardcore left-wing?

GUILFOYLE: But there are also different law-school groups that actually help minorities in law schools to get ahead.

GUTFELD: All right.

PERINO: I'm with you.

GUILFOYLE: And there's a Latin Spice Club (ph), if that sounds like more fun.

GUTFELD: It does.

PERINO: To Julie from William B., "What is your favorite vacation destination?"

ROGINSKY: My favorite destination. I went to Istanbul a little while ago, and I loved it. I thought it was fantastic.


ROGINSKY: Well, it was pricey. It's pricey altogether. It was pricey getting there. And I thought it was amazing, and I would recommend that people go there. Except the Turks are a little unhinged.

BOLLING: Did you go with Porter?

ROGINSKY: I did not.

GUTFELD: It all makes sense.

ROGINSKY: Porter and I have a deal not to discuss it. Why would you bring that up on air?

PERINO: Eric, this is from Karen S., I like this question for you, OK? She says, "I have two young boys. What would be your most important tip on raising boys?"


PERINO: That's a good question for you.

BOLLING: Wow. It depends on how old they are. I think you have to be tough love. And I practice this, I try and do this. In fact, my son literally just texted me in the break and said, "Dad" -- his curfew is at 12 a.m. He said, "Dad, there's a big party this weekend -- tonight." His friend, Albie, is having a pool party. "Can I stay until 12:30?"

I said, "Absolutely. But No. 1, don't do anything that's going to get you in trouble. No. 2, if you need a ride, get a rider Uber or I'll pick you up." But you have to stay tough on them. You can't...

PERINO: You know what's terrible about that?

GUTFELD: Where is this Albie party?

BOLLING: It's in Jersey. New Jersey.

ROGINSKY: You know what's terrible, Albie's parents had no idea about that party until...

BOLLING: That's a good thing. Keep the parents apprised. But tough love is the hardest thing to do, but you've got to do it.

PERINO: All right. Here's mine from Laura S.: "You've mentioned foods that you don't let yourself eat. What are some of them and why?"

Well, the "why" is because I'm five feet tall, and I'm older now. And so you can't eat like you used to. Right?

GUTFELD: Remember that time you ate a grape, and everyone thought you were pregnant?

PERINO: I thought I was pregnant, too. Let's see -- that's really not, because I know the birds and the bees. That's really not how that works.


PERINO: OK. A couple things like bagels, buttered popcorn, hot tamales.


PERINO: Things like that.

GUILFOYLE: You don't eat any of this?


GUTFELD: That's very strange.

PERINO: Well, OK. Let's keep going then. To Greg from James C.: "Will you be holding a private screening of 'Entourage' in your basement?"

GUTFELD: Yes, I will. And if you e-mail me, I will give you the directions, and I'll meet you at the Port Authority bus station Saturday at 7 a.m.

BOLLING: And will you save a seat next to Dobbs for that?

GUTFELD: Yes, Dobbs will be there.

PERINO: All right. I don't know how much time we have. As many as we can. Kimberly, this is from Paul. "What was your favorite city or state to live in? And where would you live if you could live anywhere?"

GUILFOYLE: OK. My probably city or state was probably San Francisco, but now I mean, I'm -- it's a close tie with New York.

GUTFELD: Is that when you were with La Raza?

PERINO: Kimberly, as soon as you said "La Raza," I thought, "She'll never hear the end of it."

GUILFOYLE: Back in the day, a long time ago, they were very good in law school. Geez. Hate to be honest around here.

PERINO: Julie, from James H.: "Who is your favorite GOP candidate and why?"

ROGINSKY: Dana Perino if she ran.

PERINO: Right.

ROGINSKY: But I don't think she's running, so I have to (UNINTELLIGIBLE) everybody else.

BOLLING: You liked Rubio, didn't you?

ROGINSKY: On a personal level, I like Rubio. I wouldn't vote for him, but I like him.

PERINO: I thought you were going to say Donald Trump.

GUILFOYLE: Live in California, L.A. or Florida.

PERINO: OK. Eric, from Monica, "If you were offered a guest role on 'House of Cards,' would you take it if they had you playing a very way-to- the-left liberal?"

BOLLING: Absolutely. I would love to be on "House of Cards." I love that show.

PERINO: A liberal?

BOLLING: Yes, I could do that. I could pull that off. "President Underwood, we have to do something about these Republicans. I'm tired of them. It's all cutting taxes. They never think about the little people. Come on, Mr. President, let's get this done."


ROGINSKY: Excellent.

PERINO: I'm going to skip mine and ask Greg the one that was supposed to be for all of us. I think it's good for you. "Do you have a ritual before the show?"

GUTFELD: Well, I have two rituals, but one I can't talk about. Yes...

PERINO: That's what I was hoping for.

GUTFELD: ... kids.



PERINO: I'll be seeing you.

GUTFELD: Albie seeing you. Yes, I have a -- I usually have a cracker. I have a cracker and some water and then I do...

ROGINSKY: Are you in prison?

GUTFELD: ... a ritual dance.

PERINO: Ten jumping jacks?

GUTFELD: Yes. Ten jumping jacks.

PERINO: Things like that. All right. That was fun. Loved it.

Ahead, Greg is going to talk about his new show, premiering Sunday night. And he took a push-up challenge this morning on "The Today Show." And people are asking me if I was doing push-ups. Oh, now I get it. Did you make it off the ground? We're going to find out. Stay tuned.


GUTFELD: This Sunday on FNC, I debut a new show. It's on at 10 p.m. It's going to be great. Here's a clip of me kicking off the program.




GUTFELD: I filmed that in one take. And because I'm very interested in health, here's our fitness segment.




GUTFELD: That's Emmy winning.

Now, I'm sure there's other stuff on TV at the same time, maybe "The Good Wife." But we always know how that show ends. She drinks a glass of scotch and stares.




GUTFELD: That's beautiful. Now, my new show, I have no idea how it's going to go. It could be awesome or a mess. It could be both, an awesome mess, like a sloppy joe but a sloppy Greg.

But if you like what I do on "The Five," maybe you'll like this show. I'll be doing kind of the same thing but with no mention of royalty or soccer or Jasper. In fact, here's a list of things you won't see on the show: royalty, soccer, Jasper. Well, maybe Jasper.

There will be a desk, some lights and a few guests. See, I promise very little, because it's more fun to over-deliver. My goal: One, not to have a panic attack and leave in an ambulance; two, make an interesting show about interesting things; and three, repeat No. 1.

In conclusion, give it a shot. It won't change the world, but maybe you won't change the channel.

Was that ninety seconds?

BOLLING: Can I weigh in very quickly?


BOLLING: All of those clips of you earlier in the show, have you seen "Kung Fury" yet?


BOLLING: This is the most amazing -- you should pull some clips of this. It's the most amazing.


BOLLING: It's crazy.


BOLLING: It's a 30-minute movie on the Internet. It's going viral. You'll love it. But by the way, congratulations, good luck.

GUTFELD: Thank you.

ROGINSKY: I want to talk about -- actually talk about your show.


ROGINSKY: Not "Kung Fury," which I'm very excited for. You've given me some previews. I'm so sorry about the "Kung Fury" thing. But you've given me some awesome previews on it. I can't wait to watch it. Because there was one element of it, which I'm a little obsessed with, which people will find out this week or next.

GUILFOYLE: Is there a decoder that comes with that?

GUTFELD: Well, there's some weird things in the show. When you see it...

BOLLING: Julie previewed it and we didn't?

GUTFELD: No. I told her about it in the green room.

PERINO: For people who want to know more about your show, I think that the -- I interviewed you on


PERINO: You answered a lot of questions about the show where you had more fulsome answers.


PERINO: I think that's a good place for people to go.

GUTFELD: It is a great place.

GUILFOYLE: That will help.

GUTFELD: That will help.

GUILFOYLE: What this was lacking, that provides some substance.

GUTFELD: Yes. Yes. I'm bleeding right now. Kimberly, any suggestions or help?

GUILFOYLE: We don't have approved from our sponsors to tell you what I would say to drink or eat to help yourself. But, yes, I'm excited for you. I think it's going to be great. People are interested to tune in. And I'm kind of curious to see what it's going to offer. And kind of the differences, you know, between "Red Eye" and this show.

GUTFELD: I have no idea. It looks very good. All right. We've got to go. "One More Thing" is up next.


BOLLING: All right. Time for "One More Thing," and Greg is up first.

GUTFELD: Hi, everybody. I'm on my new set. I'm going to stay here until Sunday when the show is on. All right. Today I was on "The Today Show" with Kathie Lee and Hoda. They forced me to do something, and then they had me challenge three other people to do the same thing. So check it out.



One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.

Great, baby.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who you calling out?

GUTFELD: Gee whiz, let me think. Dana Perino.


GUTFELD: I have to call in another person?


GUTFELD: I don't have three friends.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was the only other one, and I did it.

GUTFELD: I've got to do Kimberly Guilfoyle and let's see who else.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Go outside the box.

GUTFELD: Bill O'Reilly.


GUTFELD: Bill O'Reilly.


GUTFELD: He's not going to do it. Anyway, that was interesting. Back to you guys. Watch me Sunday.

BOLLING: All right, Kimberly, you don't want to do your push-ups now, do you?

GUILFOYLE: Well, I mean, I could but it would be taken off the air. I can stretch it out, though. Plank it out.

I instead, I pledge allegiance to the flag. Take a look at this. It's fantastic. "Guardians of the Galaxy" star Chris Pratt shared a video on Facebook this week, showing his 2-year-old son, Jack, the Pledge of Allegiance. Maybe we should all do this. Take a look.


CHRIS PRATT, ACTOR: I pledge allegiance...

JACK PRATT, CHRIS'S SON: I pledge allegiance...

C. PRATT: ... to the flag...

J. PRATT: ... to the flag...

C. PRATT: ... of the United States...

J. PRATT: ... of the United States...

C. PRATT: ... of America.

J. PRATT: ... of America.


GUILFOYLE: Isn't that nice? A reminder of what the flag stands for in this great country. So go home and teach your kids the Pledge of Allegiance.

BOLLING: Teach the kids respect for that flag, too.

GUILFOYLE: Make him say it himself (ph).

BOLLING: OK. So remember a couple -- I think it was last week I brought this to you. Westfield High School, they did an art project about police brutality basically throwing the cops under the bus. I thought it was outrageous and awful. The good news is, check out Brunswick High School in Brunswick, Ohio. They took the other side, the other tactic, and I commend this group for doing it. Watch. Watch what happens.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: With everything going on and everybody going crazy because all of the shootings and stuff with officers, we're saying, like, don't believe in it. Don't believe that, like, this is the only thing that's going on in the world.


BOLLING: And so watch there, they continue to -- this young man organized a day locking arms with the cops and that's the -- remember, this is Brunswick, Ohio, which is very near Cleveland where a lot of issues have been going on with Cleveland and the police department. More of Brunswick, Ohio; less of Westfield, New Jersey. Sorry, guys.

All right, Julie, you're up.

ROGINSKY: Well, the national spelling bee happened, and there was a tie for the second year in a row. Two people won. Watch this.






ROGINSKY: Wow. It was. So the winning words were "scherneschnitte," which is a German word for cut paper art, as though everybody didn't know that.

GUTFELD: It was rigged.

ROGINSKY: It was rigged. And the second one was "nunatak," which an Inuit term for an exposed rocky element or a glacier.

GUTFELD: What is the tiebreaker?

BOLLING: This is terrible.

GUTFELD: In soccer they have those -- what do they call it? Penalty kicks? I don't know what it's called.

ROGINSKY: Yes. They should have kept them there for three days until somebody won.

BOLLING: How about a speed round? How about where they don't have to -- yes. Because right now you can ask, "Is there another pronunciation?"

ROGINSKY: The thing is, that girl, that girl, Vanya Shivashankar, 13, her sister won three years ago. Which -- 2009, excuse me. Their parents are obviously doing something very right.

GUTFELD: Mayonnaise.


ROGINSKY: The Shivashankars.

GUILFOYLE: A tiger mom is involved in there somewhere.

BOLLING: Dana is up.

PERINO: So there was a study done by the Brookings Institution. And it shows that you don't have to go to an Ivy League school in order to become rich. Get this: you want to be a top earner in your chosen field, you should go to a college in the Bronx. That's what the study said.

SUNY Maritime College, home of the Privateers, and Manhattan College, home of the Jaspers, I would add...

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

PERINO: ... they surpass all eight Ivy League schools by catapulting students into financial success. After ten years after graduation, you take $122,000 compared to, like, $100,000. All the other ivies and the 7,000 four-year institutions combined. So the logo of your school is not as important as the quality of the education.

BOLLING: That's fascinating.

PERINO: Yes. Moms and dads need to know this. But you go to Brookings Institution or our Facebook page and check out this study. And then you -- you can brag that your kids went to Manhattan College and not to Yale.

GUTFELD: Also save money. Don't go to journalism graduate school.

PERINO: No, you don't need that. Just start writing.

BOLLING: All right. We're going to leave it. Set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five." That's it for us. Have a great weekend, everyone. And don't forget: Greg Gutfeld's show is Sunday night at 10 p.m., everybody. Bye.

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