Clinton camp in damage control mode over foundation grants

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," April 21, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Eric Bolling
along with Kimberly Guilfolye, Julie Roginsky, Dana Perino and Greg
Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."

Day two of questions for Hillary Clinton on the book that accuses the
former secretary of trading favors for cash for her family's foundation and
shocker, she won't answer them again.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You said yesterday that the distraction, that the
"Clinton Cash" was a distraction. Can you comment on the specific allegations



BOLLING: But her cronies are out in full force trying their hardest to do
damage control.


Its cherry picked information that's been disclosed and woven a bunch of
conspiracy theories about it.

DAVID BROCK, JOURNALIST: I think this is a political "put up" job and I can
smell it mile way.

information and kind of rehash it into this partisan fantasy and it's not
necessarily new information.


BOLLING: Well, these aren't conspiracy theories or political put up jobs or
a partisan fantasy as Podesta, Brock and Finney just claimed. These are
very serious allegations. The judge, our judge, makes a very interesting


are serious enough that the Justice Department is required under the law to
commence an investigation. Why do I say that, because last month the
Justice Department indicted sitting New Jersey Senator Bob Menendez.


NAPOLITANO: For bribery. The allegations against Senator Menendez are far
less than the allegations against Secretary Clinton.


BOLLING: K.G., weigh in on this.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Yeah, I think he's right on the
mark there. This is very interesting. What are they going to do with this?
Because now they've gone under this full of new persecution against
Menendez, but what shall be the fate of the former secretary of state? I
mean is this again just be something people gonna sweep under the rug,
where no matter what, she's got like Teflon you know, legal proof? You
can't touch her no matter what kind of crimes might have been committed?


JULIE ROGINSKY, GUEST CO-HOST: Well, it's interesting on you
say that Menendez where the judge did, because that opened up a Pandora's
Box that I think it's very dangerous for every sitting politician from dog
catcher (ph) in Akron, Ohio, all the way up to Hillary Clinton or frankly,
Barack Obama. There's never been a politician in the history of campaign
finance that has not taken a campaign contribution and then, lo and behold,
from interest that have an interest in the way they legislate. And so, the
judge is right. What they did to Bob Menendez was unprecedented in the
sense that they criminalized behavior that happens all the time, and if
that's the standard they wish they are gonna judge thing now, that
everybody needs to be looked at.

BOLLING: Allow me throw this, this example out there. This just came out, I
believe, since the book came out, 2006 Senator Clinton and Senator Obama
co-sponsored legislations holding violators of human rights in Congo
accountable. This group called the Lundin group, L-U-N-D-I-N group, a
mining group was investigated and tied to Congo violations. 2007, Hillary
Clinton announces that she's going to run for president. Later on that same
year, a couple of months later, that Lundin group dropped $100 million into
the Clinton Foundation. That one in group was never investigated. When
Hillary Clinton became secretary of state from '09 to '13, was never ever
held accountable for it. It was literally, Dana. The same legislation that
she proposed with Obama got passed, and decided to look the other way.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: I know that her team is gonna just to
brush this off, they are gonna try to use the best right-wing conspiracy
speech, but I think when The New York Times wrote it, they were looking at
it in a way that said, this does merit some investigation, and I think the
Menendez comparison is good, except for that. Remember, this also ties into
the Clinton Foundation and Bill Clinton. One of the things that feminists
suggest and I agree with this is -- and Kimberly, I think that in your new
book you're going to talk about this which is, as a woman when you are
negotiating for a salary, you need to know your worth and know what your
values. So Hillary Clinton, knock herself out. You get $500,000 to speech,
great. Is she really that talented speaker to merit that kind of price?
Probably not, senior speak. Is she really that accomplished? Say you would
pay $500,000 to your speech -- arguably not. But is she in a position for
potential influence and is her husband in a position for potential
influence? Because that the other thing. They might not find, the Justice
Department may not find some sort of link for years, because that's how
long investigations are take --


PERINO: But Bill Clinton is then getting $500,000 a speech through -- after
they connect with the Clinton Foundation and they have business in front of
the secretary of state. And that's why I think that there's probably a
little more here and they are not going to be able to sweep it under the
rug. The hard thing is for them and for us frankly, is that the book is not
out yet. None of us that have a chance to fully read it, but I guess it
will come out in a few weeks, probably.

BOLLING: The good news is Greg, they get really good news. That's all we
have to do is grab her e-mails and find out if there's any ties.


GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Yeah, but -- let's, lets' face it.
Truth is a distraction.


GUTFELD: We can't let the truth get in the way of what she's pretending to
be. The real caper that she's getting away with, this is a campaign running
on nothing. She is the Seinfeld of presidential candidates.


GUTFELD: She wants equal pay for women. That's a law. I mean, the only one
breaking it actually, is her. She's the only one not paying equal pay. But
here's the great part. I want her to win the presidency, because if she
does, that means she's going to appoint Huma Abedin -- all likely as a
chief of staff. So get this, you're going to have Bill Clinton and Uma's
husband, Anthony Weiner, at times in the White House at the same time. How
long before the rose garden has a hot tub?


BOLLING: All right.

GUILFOYLE: That's the only bright spot I've heard.

GUTFELD: It's a great --

GUILFOYLE: Because the rest of the sounds is --

GUTFELD: The rest of the sound is --

GUTFELD: It's a great (inaudible). It's not just a bright spot, it's a --

BOLLING: I think it happened already.

PERINO: Right.

ROGINSKY: Are you planning on hanging out there? Is that why?

GUTFELD: Yes. It's like the grotto at the playboy mansion.

BOLLING: There's got to be a hot tub somewhere in that whole complex.

GUTFELD: Well, there's gonna be one, believe me.

BOLLING: Exactly.

GUILFOYLE: Well, a Jacuzzi tub for sure.

GUTFELD: And you better get it disinfected.

BOLLING: K.G., for ways to control that.


BOLLING: Controlled water right?

GUILFOYLE: Controlled water, but I don't want to be in any kind of
controlled water with them two.


GUILFOYLE: That's all I got to say.

BOLLING: All right, listen to this.


BOLLING: (inaudible) is desperately trying to reinvent herself as the
populist. Worry about the little guy concerned with income inequality, her
solution -- topple the wealthy, the earners, the employers, the NYT -- New
York Times noting today, it quote, "In a meeting with economist this is
year, Mrs. Clinton intensity studied a chart that showed income inequality
in the United States. Mrs. Clinton pointed at the category and said the
economy required quote, a "toppling" of the wealthiest one percent." Really
Mrs. Clinton, after 12 years of aggressively building a fortune, $200
million demanding 300 grand a speech, private jet transportation and the
royal suite accommodations, you are the one per centers. You are 1/10 of
1/10 of one percent in fact. So - you and I disagree that Hillary Clinton
is trying to reinvent herself. Topple, the topple of the wealthiest.

ROGINSKY: Unfortunate way to phrase it. But, can I -- it's actually a
really unfortunate way to phrase it but, you know the problem that people
have with Mitt Romney for talking about the last very wealthy person Haram,
wasn't so much that he was wealthy. Because MTR (ph) was wealthy, a lot --
we've had a lot of wealthy presidents. It was at the policy that people
felt he pursued were geared towards the wealthy. I don't care how much
money she makes if she actually has policies that would somehow minimizes
horrible income inequality that we have and remains to be seen what her
policies will be.

BOLLING: But -- can you spend 12 years, imagine a $200 million fortune and
then say, I'm for the middle guy, I'm from the middle class, where have you

GUTFELD: Well I mean, Julie's got a point. As long as you follow these
certain beliefs, it doesn't matter how much money you make. However, her
beliefs -- there are not hers. By the way, I'm not entirely sure that this
is what she said. It may that -- I think be her staff pushing at -- pushing
this out, to counter, to counter Elizabeth Warren. But the key part here
and the most dangerous element to this is that the language that she is
using is what you would use against al-Qaeda. Toppling.


GUTFELD: Toppling al-Qaeda. But now you are using that language against
law-abiding, tax-paying people who contribute to society. This is French
revolution stuff we're listening to. To get elected, she's seemingly
embracing the violent lexicon of class warfare. This was everything we need
right now in America. More hate and more envy. We always make fun of the
right. The media makes fun of the right for pandering to -- paranoia about
guns. We need more guns. But when you listen to this, that justifies any
paranoia that when you hear the leading presidential candidate talking
about toppling, people simply because they are wealthy, they are law-
abiding, they pay more taxes than anybody. It's based on envy and hate.
This is scary, scary stuff.


GUTFELD: I'm not sure she's get it. But her campaign is pushing it.



BOLLING: There are others who also heard her say -- I'm sorry. We need to
reshuffle the deck.


BOLLING: The rules are skewed to the wealthy. We need to re-shuffle.

PERINO: OK. Remember, I gave some advice to candidate -- Republican
candidates before, I think we're falling into another trap. We are now
arguing to defend people that actually support her.


PERINO: The most wealthy people are actually her donors.


PERINO: She's talking about toppling her best friends. The people in
Hollywood, all the people she got $500,000 a speech from in order to --
fund her lifestyle.

GUTFELD: But she's lying.

PERINO: And they all know it.


PERINO: And that is what is bad. That phrase of toppling is poll tested and
campaign approved.


PERINO: And she doesn't really mean it and they know it.

BOLLING: That so K.G. --

PERINO: Right? Julie?

ROGINSKY: You're right. And I actually -- can I say one quick point.


ROGINSKY: With what Dana says, I'm sorry. You know there are a lot of the
reasons that people in the Democratic Party have problems with Barack Obama
is because, this is the same kind of rhetoric he used eight years ago or
whatever it was that you -- just now, eight years ago, right?


ROGINSKY: And the problem is that income inequality is only growing.

BOLLING: And because he's pumped out cash and Wall Street has benefited.

ROGINSKY: And Wall Street is benefited and lot of people feels that he
didn't do what he had to do. And so that challenge for Hillary Clinton is
for the Democrat in the Democratic Party, fool me once, shame on me. But
fool me twice, whatever it is, will much be a shame on you. Fool me twice,
shame on me. And the problem is that people don't and the Democratic Party
don't believe that she's just doing exactly what Dana said, which is saying
this and then wink, wink, nudge, nudge to her friendly --

PERINO: But also her healthy people -- her wealthy friends know she doesn't
mean it, so they will continue to keep funding the Clinton Foundation and
her campaign.

GUILFOYLE: They don't even care. They don't care --

BOLLING: Can I just throw --

GUILFOYLE: Like they don't care if she likes spews, like hate speech every
day. They are going to vote for her. They believe in her. They are all in
because they trust her to do their bidding once she's got the throne.

BOLLING: But, is this -- isn't this right, she has a soft spot. She has a
weak -- she's an Achilles, right? Wall Street. She can't be the populists
if the Wall Street is her major donors, right? Where also though, but --

PERINO: Well, the populists are actually on the Republican side this time
around. That's what is interesting piece of this election and the unspoken,
unwritten theme is that if you have a lot of the Republicans that are
actually running as more on a populist message than Hillary Clinton.

ROGINSKY: I mean, like --

BOLLING: It like if carve out his, I'm for the little guy. I wanna make
sure that incoming equality, the gap gets smaller, bring the bottom up. Do
you not block out any sort of headway that an Elizabeth Warren challenge?


BOLLING: Would they?

ROGINSKY: She, she would argue and her people have argued that she was
Elizabeth Warren before Elizabeth Warren was ever -- you know, a flicker in
any of our eyes. You know she appointed --

BOLLING: She would argue but she -- she stands out --

ROGINSKY: Well, I think she can to some extent. But she appointed -- look,
she appointed Gary Gensler who is the former head of the CFTC, who --

BOLLING: Last week.

ROGINSKY: Last week, it's her CFO who a lot of people see as a reformer and
who stood up to Wall Street.

PERINO: Right.

ROGINSKY: That sort of a signal to the progressives that hate, hate me
seriously, I really mean this. However, as I said we seen this game before.
As a progressive myself who does think that income inequality is a huge
problem in this country, I want to see a president to follow through it.

BOLLING: But again Greg, she spent 12 years -- amassing a fortune, a lot of
it coming from Wall Street as Dana points out. We --

GUTFELD: Yeah, we get --

BOLLING: But then --

GUILFOYLE: She's hypocritical, (inaudible).

BOLLING: Last week. But then -- right.

GUILFOYLE: Hello? Did everyone know?

GUTFELD: I know. But what I'm always interested in is how surprised she is
by things. Like I guess she was surprised by the sluggish economy.


PERINO: And entrepreneurial is down.

GUTFELD: And yeah, the small businesses are suffering. She was surprised by
that. She's continually surprised by elements that we all know about.
Sluggish economy, the -- the difficulty of mastering e-mail, the intricate
devices that she get -- this is too hard and then there is -- then she's
talking about law for equal pay, when there is a law for equal pay. It's
like she's rip van winkle and she just woke up and this -- what are these
devices and there are laws that allow women to get paid equally?

BOLLING: And yet --

GUTFELD: And she's right. She wants to run for president.

BOLLING: And what with this handicap parking spots.


BOLLING: Who puts them right in front of the restaurant?

GUTFELD: I don't get it. By the way --

PERINO: Disable, disable.

GUTFELD: Can I add that David Brock's hair is beginning to look like bee
Arthurs' hair?


GUTFELD: It's true.

GUILFOYLE: Oh my, gosh.

GUTFELD: You think --

PERINO: I think it's a good look.


GUTFELD: It's going to the bee Arthur look.

PERINO: If I were, if I were David Brock, I would absolutely continue to
use that hairstyle.

ROGINSKY: During the Maude period or the Golden Girls period?

GUTFELD: Oh, Golden Girls.

GUILFOYLE: I think Maude.

GUTFELD: Oh, really?

ROGINSKY: I think --


ROGINSKY: Will disagree.



PERINO: Can say one other thing about Elizabeth Warren?


GUILFOYLE: If you must -- yeah.

GUTFELD: Yeah, it's a root (ph).

PERINO: This is the root (ph), she could never win.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you.

PERINO: Election in America. This is nonsense.

GUTFELD: It's made to paint Hillary Clinton as a moderate.

PERINO: This is made up on the left to say, "Actually, Hillary Clinton
would be a better choice." Maybe there are some people in the Democratic
Party who think she could -- she would -- they might think she would be a
better president, there is no one in the Republican -- in the Democratic
Party who actually thinks she could win.

GUILFOYLE: She couldn't win.

PERINO: For president. And this is nonsense.

GUTFELD: And what --

GUILFOYLE: It's crazy town.

GUTFELD: And what if Hillary become to moderate by putting out --


GUTFELD: Elizabeth Warren.

ROGINSKY: Wait. According to that conspiracy theory, there are people in
the Republican Party who actually don't believe Ted Cruz can win, but they
are letting him run anyway.


GUILFOYLE: Oh, you know whatever. E-dub (ph) is a foil (ph).


GUTFELD: No, no, no.

ROGINSKY: Walk away.

GUILFOYLE: He's gonna run or could win.


BOLLING: So, so, let me get --


BOLLING: They want to go but can I ask a quick question. Rhetoric maybe, if
anyone has a respond. New York Times outed Hillary yesterday and New York
Times outed Hillary again today, with this comment and think progress out
of Hillary with this Lundin group, $100 million donations. The left --

PERINO: Well, there are reporters, though. I mean, you can't say that
everybody -- these reporters like Maggie Haberman who works with The New
York Times.


PERINO: She's an accomplished reporter --

ROGINSKY: She's amazing.

PERINO: And -- that was a good hire by The New York Times and we should all
be glad that she's there.

ROGINSKY: Yup. I agree.

BOLLING: My point is, are they being disillusioned with the Hillary --

PERINO: No, I don't think. I think Maggie Haberman as a -- as a reporter is
probably as one of the as straight as you come, called balls and strikes.

GUILFOYLE: Journalist, yeah.

PERINO: She's just empire.

ROGINSKY: She's been following Hillary Clinton for years, first with
Politico and now with The Times. She -- you're right, she's a great hire
for The Times.

GUTFELD: Get a room, guys.


PERINO: But on an editorial page that is different, and I think that's
where you will see complete and utter defense Hillary Clinton is on --

GUILFOYLE: Right. But we cannot talk about it. That they are doing this
now, so they can say they did some stuff and you know, went after a little
bit, but I mean this --

GUTFELD: That's true.

GUILFOYLE: This to me, a wedding is going forward.

BOLLING: All right6. We got to leave it right there.


BOLLING: Next --

GUTFELD: Always wedding.

BOLLING: Do New York's finest really need to be taught by the fed how to do
their job? The absurd training NYPD recruits may be forced to undergo --
thanks to the Obama administration. That's coming up.


GUTFELD: The feds overseeing police reforms have this advice for New York
cops: Don't be racist, don't be sexist, don't be jerks. Finally, now crime will vanish! I know I'm less likely to shoot a cop if they don't mock my height.

And so another bureaucracy lectures a group of men and women that have saved more life than airbags have -- and I include Al Sharpton. These guys risk their lives daily and they are told now to watch your language. That's like going up to a nurse in the E.R. and saying, you know, darling, you should get your hair done.

By the way, have you seen the force lately? Minority is the majority. It's a well-armed Benetton ad. And so we have marches for every color but blue. The only time you see some appreciation is at a cop's funeral. Strange that it's only the police force where a few bad apples are cast as the norm. Have the feds ever lectured the Crips on manners? What of extremist imams? They're rude.

Now this new advice comes after a serial sex fiend raped a woman in a New York Bar. Yes, rapists still roam free and the feds are busy chasing mean jokes. The fact is most slime arrested for such crimes would be in jail much longer if it weren't for a court system that has more cases that it can handle, mainly due to arrests for regulatory crimes. So instead of solving that, the feds prefer to slam the decorum of the world's best and most integrated police force.

But it's not about words. It's about cops forced to chase smokers and taillights, instead of rapists. If I were a cop, I'd be swearing too.

I want to go after this --


GUTFELD: the list of things.


GUTFELD: The suggestions, my first -- the first one I like is number four.
Which says, Remember, most people -- this is to the police. "Most people
are good, law-abiding citizens. Now, Kimberly.


GUTFELD: It's the median politicians that tend to forget, that cops are the
law-abiding citizens. They are the ones that are getting smeared. Cops
aren't going around smearing citizens.

GUILFOYLE: Yeah, I mean, they are not confused. They got the memo that they
are supposed to go after the bad guys. So they are going after the people,
they are selling drugs, or pushing drugs or selling guns or committing
robbery, they are doing things like this, nefarious things that they
shouldn't be up to. So those are people that they are going to go and stop,
they are gonna stop, frisk, question, whatever, try not to offend, try not
to use the right adjectives so no one feel slided (ph) and then they will
go about their police business. I mean, it's crazy. This is assuming always
negative intentions and bad actions on the part of the police department,
it's a nonstarter.

BOLLING: Can I follow that up?



BOLLING: Number eight on that list. Generic descriptions of the suspect
like young black male do not support reasonable suspicion. Now, I don't
know about you, but young, black and male, aren't those three descriptive
words that could describe a perp? Isn't that information that a cop could
use when they are looking for a suspect?

GUTFELD: I think they mean like, that's -- you got to have more than that.


GUTFELD: You got to like seen, leaving --

BOLLING: What would you if, if there's a robbery in a place and the suspect
flees and --

PERINO: But they are not seeing that.

ROGINSKY: They are not saying pull over -- they are saying don't pull over
the first young black male that you see and accuse him of doing something,
because he's suspicious due to the description.

PERINO: Right.

GUTFELD: I think.

GUILFOYLE: Well, yeah, we know --


GUILFOYLE: But then -- OK, yeah. Guys, sometimes you can't say, well, don't
put that out over the APB, because that might be offensive to somebody and
then we'll get lawsuits and the ACLU will get mad.

BOLLING: And that -- and I think that's what they are getting at.

GUILFOYLE: If you just know, sort of thing about height, weight,
description, maybe that's something old this person have his sweatshirt on,
or this guy is wearing you know, low jeans or this guy -- whatever, it
doesn't matter. Whether if somebody is saying OK, it's about 5'2" in
height, blonde hair.

PERINO: Thank you.

GUILFOYLE: Some pink lipstick.


GUILFOYLE: Blue eyes --

PERINO: I'm honored.

GUILFOYLE: Well, 5'1".

GUTFELD: What do you make of this advice?

GUILFOYLE: Then it's Dana Perino --

PERINO: I think it is less it reflect the no you know what, Sherlock list.



PERINO: New York finest does not need to know -- they don't need to -- this
is its life. They were raises right.

GUILFOYLE: That was --


PERINO: You know what this is, Greg?


PERINO: It's migration from the campus.

GUTFELD: Well done.

PERINO: OK? The sanitary -- make no ripples, do no harm say nothing


PERINO: From the campus and now migrating from the Federal Government back
to the cities and localities and they are starting with New York's finest.

GUTFELD: I want -- go to number -- can we skip to number 10? Or we have it,
Julie. Do not tell or tolerate ethnic, racial or sexist jokes --

ROGINSKY: I never do. Why would you read that?

GUTFELD: I know --


GUTFELD: That means we have to erase every celebrity roast. No, I don't, I
don't -- I guess this is, I mean --


GUTFELD: This to me, I don't see -- I guess my point is, I don't see police
officers walking up to pedestrians to go, hey, two Italians walk into a
bar. I've never seen that --

ROGINSKY: Maybe --


ROGINSKY: Maybe internally. Maybe they do internally.


ROGINSKY: Sitting at a precinct. Maybe that happened.


ROGINSKY: We actually don't know. But if it has, they are saying don't
promote that kind of culture in the workplace. As I think all of us would
be inclined.


ROGINSKY: Not to as well.


ROGINSKY: Place that where we work.

GUTFELD: It's common sense.

PERINO: It is.

GUTFELD: It's common sense. But it's --

PERINO: But do you think Sony, when their e-mails got hacked and they were
making jokes back and forth to each other, even though I think they were --
actually, I don't think that they are racists, but that's how they ended up
looking and maybe that's what they are suggesting, it's like protect

GUTFELD: But what about -- OK.

GUILFOYLE: This is like --

GUTFELD: Cops use --


PERINO: We are trying to figure out how dumb that -- so why do have to
figure out --


GUTFELD: No, no. But I -- let's go back to the -- but the ethnic --


GUTFELD: The jokes, OK. You -- and you say, I think you just say locker
room? Which I --it's like a locker room mentality.

ROGINSKY: I guess.

GUTFELD: Cops generally are fairly tough. So they use tough language
amongst themselves.

GUILFOYLE: That the prosecutors.

GUTFELD: And toughen themselves up, by insulting each other.


GUTFELD: Whether -- no matter what race they are, they actually target.



GUTFELD: Themselves with race.

ROGINSKY: Let me say this, you and I are pretty tough, right?


ROGINSKY: But if you and I were caught making -- I don't know, derogatory


ROGINSKY: About each other's ethnicity race, I think you know I'll be fine
with that. But if somebody at Fox corporate or whatever overheard this?
They might found upon to see and say somebody else (inaudible) you, they
may be offended, don't do it in the building or (inaudible) don't do it.


ROGINSKY: And so maybe because of that, this is what they are trying to do
at NYPD. I don't know. I don't know what internally the culture there is.
So it's kind of weird for us to -- I don't know --

PERINO: They are trying to fix the problem that it doesn't exist.

ROGINSKY: Well, I don't know if it exist or not. That's the whole this,
maybe does.

GUTFELD: You know what the problem is?

PERINO: I don't know.

GUTFELD: It's the situation that bring police and petty criminals who
should be criminals together and then they get in these weird fights about
selling cigarettes or a broken taillight. Cops only wanted -- cops want to
chase the rape -- chase the rapist. They want it --

ROGINSKY: That's the bigger issue. I so don't know. Why would --

GUTFELD: Regulatory criminal infraction.

ROGINSKY: I agree. I agree.


GUILFOYLE: What do the cops in New York's do? They enforce the law. OK?

GUTFELD: I know. That' my point --

GUILFOYLE: About selling loose cigarettes.

GUTFELD: That is my point --

GUILFOYLE: So why don't you look at the mayor, give him this thing.

PERINO: Right.

GUILFOYLE: Stop putting stupid rules on the book and why are you doing


GUILFOYLE: This is dumb.

PERINO: There are too many laws.

GUILFOYLE: Don't tell bad jokes. Oh, you better tell people --

GUTFELD: It's breaking the rules --

GUILFOYLE: Why you got the number.

ROGINSKY: But this again, under Giuliani, with quality of life issues, and
by the way, he cleaned up New York City for in -- so you can't blame him
for this. But remember the whole squidgy thing back in the 90's --


ROGINSKY: With Giuliani --

GUILFOYLE: But they were annoying.


ROGINSKY: Before -- they were annoying but I guess that's how this all
began. Selling loosies or whatever they calls --

BOLLING: How do you -- you gonna ties this to Giuliani?

ROGINSKY: I'm not.


ROGINSKY: No, no, no, no, no. I'm actually giving him accomplice.

BOLLING: Giuliani actually -- is the broken window --

ROGINSKY: I'm giving him -- well, that's right. And so you -- I would argue

GUILFOYLE: Giuliani --


BOLLING: Compliment anybody tying this back to Giuliani?

ROGINSKY: No, no, no.

BOLLING: That's the most leftist left handed compliment on earth.

ROGINSKY: May I finish?


ROGINSKY: No, what I'm actually saying is that loosies, which I agree with
you, are the stupidest law. You wanna sell loose cigarettes, go to town.
But I guess that's part of the theory, that they've taken it too far, the
broken windows theory. That's what I think.

GUTFELD: Yeah, I think --

GUILFOYLE: But that's not on this list.

BOLLING: That's not on the list either, right.



ROGINSKY: Thank you.

GUTFELD: I will say this. I do -- I think that there was some good stuff on
the list. Do not imitate -- imitate speech patterns. I don't see how that
could help anything. But do cops do that?

PERINO: I've never seen --

GUTFELD: I don't know.

PERINO: I have not witnessed that.

GUTFELD: All right. Well then it never happened?

PERINO: Of course not.

GUTFELD: OK. Coming up, Kirsten Powers, a Democrat is upset what President
Obama, on how he is dealing with Islamist attacks on Christians. Details,


GUILFOYLE: Christians are facing persecution worldwide, but sometimes it
seems like President Obama has been spending more time criticizing them
than helping them.


than loving expressions by Christians, I get concerned. Lest we get on our
high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that
during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in
the name of Christ.


GUILFOYLE: Now, in the wake of the horrific killings of Christians last
week by Muslims off the coast of Italy, a member of his own party has had

In a column titled "Christians Thrown Overboard, Left to Drown by Obama,"
Kristen Powers writes, quote, "Rather than hectoring Christians about their
ancestors' misdeeds, Obama should honor these men and the countless Middle
Eastern Christians persecuted before them."

She says the president was mute on the drownings. He, quote, "failed to
interject any sense of outrage or even tepid concern. If a Christian mob
on a ship bound for Italy threw 12 Muslims to their deaths for praying to
Allah, does anyone think the president would have been so disinterested?"

The question for the table. Let's take it around.

GUTFELD: First off, what's amazing is that these weren't, like -- these
weren't radical Muslims. These were Muslims escaping Libya from other
Muslims. Am I right? So these were refugees who had done this to fellow

But of course, this is nothing compared to being critical of Islam in a
cartoon. So I don't think you can compare the two. That's far worse. The
amount of -- our media believes that empathy is, like, finite, so it can
grill Christians over gay wedding cakes; but if Muslims grill Christians
for real, they don't even talk about it. It's amazing.

ROGINSKY: I've had an evolution on this. Because at first I sort of said,
you don't want to make this into -- they obviously want to make it into a
religious war, and we shouldn't fall into that trap. But I've actually had
it, and I've had a complete 180 on this.

And Kirsten is right. And I think about this. Nobody called a spade --
nobody called it what it was back in the '30s when the Holocaust was
happening. Nobody said this was persecution against the Jews, against an


ROGINSKY: ... or religious group, and that silence led to the killing of
six million people. And so it's up to us and up to our leaders to have the
moral fortitude to get up and say what this is, which is that it's
religious persecution -- with the cops (ph), it's religious and ethnic
persecution. And so I've had a complete 180 on this. Kirsten is right,
and I think the president needs to call it for what it is.

GUILFOYLE: Eric, this is genocide.

BOLLING: Kirsten is right, and I'm glad that you've come around to feel
that way. Look, the two instances, the two sound bites that we rolled were
one at the National Prayer Breakfast and one at an Easter service that he
was speaking at. So two times where -- look, the country is about 83
percent Christian or so, and for him to call Christianity and Christians at
the National Prayer Breakfast at the White House and then again at the
Easter service, it's insane. I don't know what he's doing. Why does he --
why in the world...

GUILFOYLE: Why is he doing that?

BOLLING: Why would he do that? I can't figure out what's the benefit,
other than, look, he's standing by what he stated at the very beginning,
that, you know, he wants a tolerant, all-encompassing America. That's his
vision for the world. I just don't understand why he would do it.

GUTFELD: Well, let me respond. It's a culmination of subversive thinking.
For decades and decades being taught that nothing is as bad over there that
it is there, it's -- we're always going to be the bad guys.

PERINO: And we made it their -- and we made it that way for them somehow,
some way.

GUTFELD: And it's our fault.

PERINO: It's our fault.


GUILFOYLE: Where is he coming from? Why would he do this, go out of his
way to make these comments that are derogatory towards Christians.

PERINO: Well, I think what they said. Remember, when they first came in,
the first thing they wanted to do was end the global war on terror. We're
not at war with the Muslim world. Which I don't think that actually the
Muslim leaders at the time actually thought the Bush administration was
conducting a war against them. Actually, the cooperation in the war on
terror was actually going quite well.

Just think. We're just now talking about these refugees who are fleeing
Libya. This is a daily occurrence. They're trying to get to safer ground
in Italy. They're fleeing Libya.

But just yesterday on this program we talked about the Ethiopian Christians
who were executed on the beach by ISIS. Two weeks ago we barely talked
about over 150 Christians killed in Kenya. I could continue to go on.

I don't think that the Arab leaders would be offended if President Obama
were to be more forceful and not -- and not go out of his way to offend

I'm sure the president doesn't think he's doing that. I think he thinks
that he is showing leadership, and he is trying to change people's minds
and show how worldly he is. And I just actually think it's backfiring.
The world needs a strong American president to stand up on this.

GUILFOYLE: I mean, then perhaps not say anything -- don't go out of your
way as the president of the United States to call out Christians like
they're the bad guys. It seems like he's got the hats confused right now.
He should be out there calling out the Islamic extremists and putting them
on the spot and identifying them, the enemy, for who they are instead of
persecuting the Christians like the other guys are.

BOLLING: On the holiest Christian day of the year.


GUTFELD: Getting back at Daddy, that's all it's about. It's like, you
see, it's always about rebelling against the power structure. It's
something about your dad, you know, going back at Mom and Dad.

ROGINSKY: His dad was an atheist.



GUTFELD: No, I'm talking about the psychology of leftism is getting back
at your parents.

GUTFELD: That's a whole other segment.

PERINO: It's a good one, though. We should do that one.

GUTFELD: Yes. That's true.

ROGINSKY: Now as a leftist, I have to analyze my whole relationship with
my parents. I've got to take some time off and think about it.

GUTFELD: You should do that, Julie. It will be helpful.

ROGINSKY: You know, I will dwell on it tonight, and I will get back to you
tomorrow. On the break, I will analyze my life.

GUILFOYLE: Take four, please. I've been trying to read this four times.

Next, congratulations, Miss Dana Perino, some exciting news. Her new book,
"And the Good News Is," debuted at No. 1, baby, on Amazon. One of the many
reasons to buy it, there is tons of great advice there. Some words of
wisdom from Dana when we come right back. Stay with us.


PERINO: This morning I was on "The View" talking about my new book that's
out today, "And the Good News Is." Whoopi asked me to share a story about
a lesson I once learned from one of her co-hosts, my friend Nicole Wallace.


WHOOPI GOLDBERG, CO-HOST, ABC'S "THE VIEW": You credit her with giving you
some of the best advice you've ever gotten.

PERINO: It certainly is, and it made the book. It was years ago. Nicole
was running a meeting at the White House.

My phone -- it didn't ring, because I was smart enough to have it on
vibrate. At the Bush White House, you'd get in trouble if your phone rang.
And I hit ignore, and it was my husband. I figured I'll just call him


PERINO: And Nicole stopped the meeting, and she said, "Do you want to take

And I said, "No, no, no, it's fine."

And she said, "No, you should always take your husband's phone calls."


PERINO: That advice helped me reset my priorities, and I wanted to pass it
on, along with other tips I've learned throughout my career. A lot of them
are in the book, not all of them are in the book, but the best ones. And I
was curious to see which of them stood out to some of our talented staff of
producers, so we took a poll. And in no particular order, let's go through
them now.

Kimberly, I'm going to start with you...


PERINO: ... because this is one that they liked, which is, "Stick up for
others even when they don't know it."

GUILFOYLE: Yes. Be a selfless and tireless advocate. Right? You don't
have to do it for recognition. You do it because it's the right thing to
do, and it's one of the greatest gifts that you can give to someone else.


GUILFOYLE: I like it. I think that's a very important life lesson.

PERINO: There's a great story in the book about that, how the president
and I conspired about how to protect a young woman reporter. And I think
you'll like that story. It has to do with one of these famous reporters
that's out there in the cable world news now, not at this network.

Greg, this is my favorite one. I kind of lead with this, which is, finding
your strong voice.

GUTFELD: I'd like to point out, I love this segment. It's basically tell
-- everybody tell me about the best parts of my book.

PERINO: Yes. This is marketing at its finest. So you can go next.

GUTFELD: What was it?

PERINO: Finding your strong voice. You know that uptalking drives me

GUTFELD: Yes, yes. For example, like, if you're ever hiring somebody or
if I'm interviewing somebody, every time you say "like," I like you less.


GUTFELD: Any kind of passive, submissive voice -- you've got to be able to
-- you've got to stop talking like "actually, you know, I'm" -- like that
uptalk kind of thing is grotesque.

PERINO: It's when they talk like this, with every sentence is, like, a

GUTFELD: Yes, exactly.

PERINO: You've got to find your strong voice or else you're not going to
get a promotion.

GUTFELD: Yes, you've got to talk from your...

GUILFOYLE: Diaphragm.

GUTFELD: Your diaphragm.

PERINO: Push it in there.

GUTFELD: And I don't mean that one, Kimberly, but this one.

BOLLING: Oh, my God.

GUILFOYLE: Old school. Old school.

GUTFELD: You've got to talk form your diaphragm, and it's amazing. When
you talk from down there, it's great. All of a sudden you can project.

PERINO: That's true.

ROGINSKY: You're showing your age, my friend.

BOLLING: Can I just make a point?


BOLLING: Yesterday someone took me to task, and lately they've been doing
it a lot, for saying, "Can I just make a point?"

GUTFELD: You've been doing that for three years.

BOLLING: I've been doing that for three years.

PERINO: Just make your point.

BOLLING: And also this one: I started a sentence with "so."

GUTFELD: Yes, you've been doing that a lot.

BOLLING: I've been doing it? Can you tell me?

GUTFELD: I'm the one sending anonymous e-mails.

BOLLING: That was you?

PERINO: OK. Let me do two others, and then we're going to go to Eric and
Julie. I'm going to blow through these, because "A handwritten note is
critical." Think of the people that you're applying for jobs with. They
actually grew up in a generation of a handwritten notes.

GUTFELD: What if you don't have any hands?

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh. You ruined this.

PERINO: Usually, you can write with, like, your feet. I mean, that
happened. You've seen that.


PERINO: "Disagree without being a jerk." You know, I try to do that. I
don't always succeed.

GUILFOYLE: Greg can't do that.

PERINO: And then I love this one, which is, "Love is not a career-limiting
decision." So don't give up on a chance to be loved.

GUILFOYLE: Find love on a plane.

PERINO: You picked out some advice for yourself.

BOLLING: Swallow your sarcasm.


BOLLING: Specifically, right -- I love this. "There's a difference
between something that clearly -- that is clearly funny and something
that's rude, and since it's not always visible to gauge where the line is,
it's actually better just to keep your mouth shut."

PERINO: I learned that at the podium. Right?

BOLLING: How many times have we gotten in trouble?

PERINO: There is a difference between speaking for the president of the
United States and speaking here where we have to entertain, as well. And
I'm not suggesting that people should have such sanitized language that
they're not entertaining, but if you are worried that something might be
taken the wrong way, it's probably best to swallow it.

GUTFELD: That's too bad.

PERINO: Yes, I agree. But you know what? It will save your career,

GUTFELD: What about that?

PERINO: Julie, do you have any last tips?

ROGINSKY: I do. But it's not advice that you gave. It's actually more
about a chapter in your book. You took a huge risk on love. You went and
met -- I don't want to give it away, but you met your husband...

GUILFOYLE: Everyone knows.

ROGINSKY: ... completely...

GUILFOYLE: On the plane.

ROGINSKY: No, no. On the plane but that's not the part that's interesting
to me. The part of it is you met some random stranger on a plane and you
went with it.


ROGINSKY: Who ever -- I mean, like, that's courageous to me. You're
laughing but...

PERINO: And I gave up my job.

BOLLING: I was wondering what you're going to say after that.

ROGINSKY: No, no. Nothing. You have to read the book to find out. But I
think it's really courageous that she did that. Because I think most
people would -- a lot of people, including me are so gun shy about that.

PERINO: There's a million reasons I could have talked myself out of it,
but I got advice that it would not hurt my future career or my life if I
chose to be loved and married, and that was 18 years ago.

GUILFOYLE: Good for you.

PERINO: When I find love is when you all get together and promote my book.


PERINO: OK. Ahead, a secret I told Sean Hannity that he kept for six
years. I'm going to tell you about it in my "One More Thing," because
we're going to keep this party going.


ROGINSKY: Something a lot of working mothers out there worry about,
including me, will it affect their kids' wellbeing if they're not with them
enough? Are children better off if their moms stay home? A new study put
a lot of mothers at ease. It determines that it doesn't actually matter
how much time you spend with your kids but rather the quality of the time
spent with them.

GUILFOYLE: Interesting. Good to know.

ROGINSKY: So Kimberly...

GUILFOYLE: You're on your own, big boy.

ROGINSKY: I was doing conference calls, like, an hour after I was out of
the delivery room.



GUILFOYLE: I can beat that.

ROGINSKY: OK, you were doing it when you were in labor?


ROGINSKY: Awesome. So I -- this is the best news I've ever heard.
Frankly, that's it. I'll never see my son again, because now I know he's
in good hands on his own.

GUILFOYLE: Let him babysit himself. Babysitter, bye.

ROGINSKY: You know what? He's almost 3. It's about time. I'm sick of
carrying him.

GUILFOYLE: Self-sufficient.

ROGINSKY: I agree.

GUILFOYLE: Stop coddling him.

ROGINSKY: I agree. Greg, I know that you love, love, love little
children. Tell me what you think.

GUTFELD: I try to spend as much time as possible with my kids. Of course,
they're not kids by a traditional definition. It's pantyhose filled with
sand. Kind of make little buttons for their eyes.

PERINO: Can I take all my Sharpies home?

GUTFELD: Exactly. You know what this is? This was an article written to
alleviate the guilt of other women reading the article.

ROGINSKY: I'll take it. I'll take it.

GUTFELD: Listen to this line: "Now that I know that my kids don't actually
benefit from all of these hours with me, I am liberated from guilt that
keeps me shackled to their side." That's all they need is this article,
and then they can run off.

ROGINSKY: You're being a buzzkill. I want you to cut it out right now,
because this is the best thing I've read in about 20 years.

Dana, you have a child. It's a dog. But still...

GUTFELD: A hairy child.

ROGINSKY: A hairy child.

PERINO: It's obviously not the same. I think all moms are a little too
hard too hard on themselves.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, it's true.

PERINO: Whether they're spending too much time or not enough time or what.
I think all moms are probably doing a better job than they think they are.

ROGINSKY: That's very nice of you to say. Eric, the most startling fact
that I learned today...

GUILFOYLE: Don't call on (UNINTELLIGIBLE) for agreement.


GUTFELD: That was the safest thing.

ROGINSKY: No, no, no. Listen, what I learned, which I found very
interesting, is that 78 percent of mothers work, and yet, apparently, we
spend more time with our kids than ever before. So better -- more than the
Betty Drapers of the world did.

GUILFOYLE: Guilt, people.

ROGINSKY: So no wonder we're all so exhausted. Eric.

PERINO: I think it's because we were latchkey children, and we don't want
our kids, if we were to have them, to be latchkey kids. Sorry to...

BOLLING: No, no. You got it right.

ROGINSKY: What do you think, Eric? As a mother?

BOLLING: I'm waiting for the study that says, you know, really, going out
for drinks with the guys once a week is great for your marriage.

GUTFELD: Yes, men -- they don't do those studies.

BOLLING: It makes you much closer to your wife.

PERINO: You should fund one.

ROGINSKY: You could fund one. I bet you the National Beverage Center or
whoever will fund it. I'm sure they can get it.

GUILFOYLE: You know what I think is important? Like I take Ronan to
school every morning. Quality time, we have our time together, and then at
nighttime after I come back from here, then we can view like books, bath,
bed. In that order.

ROGINSKY: I sent Zach to school this morning. He wanted to scoot there.
We got into a huge fight, and now he's banned from using...

GUILFOYLE: You mean scooter?

ROGINSKY: Like his little scooter. Yes.

GUTFELD: You know who I feel bad for? Mr. and Mrs. Latchkey, because you
keep hearing about their kids, and it's like they're always -- the poor
Latchkey kids. Well, just take them away from the Latchkeys.

ROGINSKY: I was a latchkey growing up, but look at how well this all
turned out.

PERINO: I was, too. But that's one of the reasons that Generation X is
annoyed with millennials. Because, like, we did it ourselves. We took
care of ourselves.

ROGINSKY: I set the toaster on fire at least once a week. True story.

"One More Thing" is up next.

BOLLING: Thanks for the...


BOLLING: All right. Time for "One More Thing." I'm going to kick it off.

Yesterday I mentioned that Christian response to ISIS. I mentioned the
website, but here's a little piece of it.


GRAPHIC: Come with your bloodstained hands. Come with your eyes full of
murder for the people of the Cross. We are no different.


BOLLING: Really, really compelling. If you get a chance, go look at it. Again, don't necessarily subscribe to the answer, what
they're saying. However, it's worthwhile. Very interesting.

K.G., you're on deck.

GUILFOYLE: OK. Thank you so much. Happy birthday to the queen. That's
right, Greg. The royals live on and on in our hearts and in our minds.
Eighty-nine years old, and she is awaiting her fifth grandchild. You know
we're going to cover it here when it happens. Right?

GUTFELD: Of course.

PERINO: Yes, Greg's going to cover that live for us.

GUILFOYLE: We're on royal baby watch.

GUTFELD: Yes, I will be flying to England. Me and Martha MacCallum are
going together to do it.

GUILFOYLE: She may not come back.

GUTFELD: Griff Jenkins will be there in plaid pants.

BOLLING: You're up.

GUTFELD: All right.


GUTFELD: I hate these people.


GUTFELD: Sunday downtown going to the gym, there's a cab that's totally
destroyed. The front end is destroyed, hit by a bus. This is on, like,
Murray and Church.

I'm standing there, and I look. And there's a married couple, obviously
from another country, holding a baby, doing a selfie, in front of this
disaster. This car crash.

And I'm about to say something, and I decided maybe I'd better not because,
after all, I am famous. And I'm looking around, and they're not the only
people. There are people all there taking pictures of themselves in front
of a car accident.

So I'm going to ask you this. If you were in an accident, and you're about
to pass away, is the last thing you want to see is the back head of a
tourist going like this?


GUTFELD: I mean, come on. That is one of the most disgusting things I've
ever seen.

GUILFOYLE: I agree. That's awful.

PERINO: Can we see your bald spot again?

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God. I thought you were positive. And the good news

BOLLING: All right, Dana. The good news is, I'm next. I was on Sean
Hannity last night, and he...

GUTFELD: Good show.

BOLLING: ... asked for a pardon.


SEAN HANNITY, HOST, "HANNITY": You know how hard it is for me to keep a
secret, and I did it?

PERINO: You kept that secret well. You know who I mostly should apologize
to is President Bush. Although I don't know...

HANNITY: No, no.

PERINO: He might like it. I'm going to see him next Tuesday in Dallas,
and I'm going to talk to him about it.

HANNITY: Give -- Mr. President, please give her a pardon. It's good.
It's all good.

PERINO: I deserve one. Thank you.



PERINO: I do. I need a pardon on that one.

BOLLING: Was that the six-year secret?

PERINO: That was the secret, was about the situation with how I dealt with
some -- a couple reporters in the briefing room sometimes.

BOLLING: Got you. Got you.

All right, Jules, you're up.

ROGINSKY: So Boston bombing victim Rebecca Gregory, who had 17 surgeries
to try to save her leg and was unsuccessfully ultimately, ran the Boston
Marathon yesterday and finished it. Her whole goal was to get through the
marathon. Just an amazing story. I'm somebody who can't run on two feet
without passing out. The fact that this woman had a prosthetic leg and was
able to do it, is just amazing. Kudos to her.

PERINO: Hear, hear.




PERINO: We don't have sound.


GUILFOYLE: Incredible accomplishment.

ROGINSKY: Incredible. Congratulations. Amazing.

BOLLING: And Dana, you're going to be on the book tour coming up?

PERINO: I'll be on "The Daily Show" tomorrow night.


BOLLING: Give Stewart our best.

PERINO: I'm sure he will be -- love to have your regards, Eric.

BOLLING: Absolutely. Give him my best. All right. That's it for us.
See you tomorrow.

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