This is a rush transcript from "The Five," January 9, 2019. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
JESSE WATTERS, HOST: Hello, everybody. I am Jesse Watters with Emily Compagno, Juan Williams, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City. And this is THE FIVE.
Fox News alert. It's been a busy 24 hours for the president as he tries to make a deal with Democrats on border security and the shutdown. But it looks like we are not getting very far. The president reportedly walking out of a meeting after he couldn't reach a deal with Democrats. It all started last night as he made his case to the American people.
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PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Every day, Customs and Border Patrol Agents encounter thousands of illegal immigrants trying to enter our country. Our southern border is a pipeline for vast quantities of illegal drugs. Over the years, thousands of Americans have been brutally killed by those who illegally entered our country and thousands more lives will be lost if we don't act right now.
This is a humanitarian crisis, a crisis of the heart and a crisis of the soul. The federal government remains shutdown for one reason and one reason only, because Democrats will not fund border security.
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WATTERS: Today, he then had lunch on Capitol Hill with Republican lawmakers and doubled down on his demands.
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TRUMP: The Republicans are unified. We want border security. We want safety for our country. The only reason they are against it is because I won the presidency and they think they can try and hurt us going into the presidency, but that's not going to happen. And we don't give up because we are doing -- we're doing the right thing.
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WATTERS: But Democrats aren't budging. Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer just spoke after their meeting with Trump earlier today.
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SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER, D-N.Y.: Unfortunately, the president just got up and walked out. He asked Speaker Pelosi, will you agree to my wall. She said no. And he just got up and said then we have nothing to discuss and he just walked out.
I asked him to open up the government. He said if I open up the government, you won't do what I want. A few minutes later, he sort of slammed the table. And when Leader Pelosi said she didn't agree with the wall, he just walked out and said we have nothing to discuss.
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WATTERS: Now, Vice President Pence says he doesn't recall him raising his voice or slamming his hand and said the president actually walked into the room and passed out candy. But unfortunately for Democrats today, the headlines are all about Schumer and Pelosi's bizarre rebuttal last night, which put the Internet on overdrive with hilarious memes of the leadership duo.
One of the most popular ones was the "American Gothic," Pelosi and Schumer. Another popular one compares them to your angry parents finding out that you skipped school. And then, there is this one asking if you need a legal help for an accident. Greg, when you were watching last night and you saw these two people there, what was the first thing that went through your mind?
GREG GUTFELD, HOST: Well, first I thought they were trying to sell me a reverse mortgage. But I mean, you would have to go to the local cemetery to find anything stiffer. I mean, they were shellacked in Cialis. They could not move.
And I was talking to somebody in the green room before, it was clear that this had been written regardless of whatever Trump was going to say, right. So, he didn't give them anything to actually improv or vamp off of. Everything he said was factually correct.
And you could tell, even with the fact-checking, how forlorn everybody was that they couldn't find any meat on that bone. So instead, you've got Lurch and Morticia. Is that the Addams family or is that the Munsters?
EMILY COMPAGNO, HOST: That's the Addams family.
GUTFELD: I always get them confused. How would you know? You weren't even born then. Anyway --
COMPAGNO: I was Wednesday for Halloween.
GUTFELD: -- what bothers me about this is that he brought candy.
GUTFELD: And this is considered a peace offering, right.
GUTFELD: And it's like -- and they actually -- they just basically rebuffed him after giving them candy. We were talking -- you don't like Jolly Ranchers.
DANA PERINO, HOST: No, I used to like Jolly Ranchers, but there comes an age when you can't really eat them anymore, right?
GUTFELD: This was the original name for Brokeback Mountain. Did you know that?
WATTERS: I don't think I'm old -- think I am still young enough to have a Jolly Rancher.
GUTFELD: Take a Jolly Rancher.
WATTERS: I'll take a Jolly Rancher.
PERINO: But I am going to have a Starburst.
WATTERS: I got the watermelon Jolly Rancher.
PERINO: Is that orange Starburst.
WATTERS: Juan, now, if I give you this from Greg, does this mean that you're going to agree with everything we want?
JUAN WILLIAMS, HOST: Yes, rotten teeth and rotten --
WATTERS: You know what's interesting?
GUTFELD: You have a sweet tooth, Juan.
WILLIAMS: Oh, I really do. I love sweets. You know, here's the thing that strikes me and I think Greg picked up on this. There was nothing -- Trump said nothing.
GUTFELD: But I said that in a good way.
WILLIAMS: Well, I'm just saying -- yes, because you are glad he said nothing, but I'm --
GUTFELD: No, he talked about all the casualties, the victims.
WILLIAMS: Here's the thing. It was a national address that the networks got suckered into. The president asked for national time, well, I guess he's going to make news, but he makes zero news.
PERINO: I don't think the president has to make news if he asked for time.
WILLIAMS: I think that is the reason that you get time from the networks.
GUTFELD: He stated the facts.
WILLIAMS: Well, he didn't state the facts. I mean, this is a guy who --
GUTFELD: The statistics were pretty clear.
WILLIAMS: -- there is a national crisis when crossings are at a 20-year low.
GUTFELD: "The Washington Post" Said that, too, per Jesse, yesterday.
WILLIAMS: And I mean -- and then he says, oh, you know, guess what, heroin is coming across. You have coming across not illegally in terms of illegal crossings, but coming through ports of entry.
GUTFELD: Of all places.
WATTERS: I'm going to kind of fact-check you, Juan.
WILLIAMS: This is all -- no, let me -- you know, this is guy who says we have a situation here where the trade deal is going to pay for the wall. Nobody thinks the trade deal is paying for the wall, and certainly, Mexico is not paying for the wall. So to me, it was like, wow.
GUTFELD: Do you want to counter the port of entry argument?
WATTERS: I would like to do the port of entry because I knew you were going to bring that up, Juan.
WILLIAMS: I know because this guy --
WATTERS: And I will give you this. I will give you this.
WILLIAMS: Yes, go ahead.
WATTERS: They seized -- you know, border patrol agents seized 1,300 pounds of fentanyl at the ports of entry on the southern border, but they also seized 332 pounds of fentanyl along the southern border. So, that's a lot of fentanyl.
GUTFELD: But Juan -- but Jesse -- Jesse, you're missing -- the reason why it's at the port of entry is because that's often the easier path once you have barriers. So it actually moves into the port of entry.
WILLIAMS: Wait a minute, I thought you did -- he wants the wall. So in other words --
GUTFELD: Yes. It ends up moving --
WILLIAMS: -- it's coming through illegal ports.
GUTFELD: So you hit both --
WILLIAMS: But my point, I think we are in the weeds and I think this is what Trump does to the whole country.
GUTFELD: You're smoking weed.
WILLIAMS: He gets you all of a sudden like arguing about, well, where is it come -- where is that -- there is no crisis. That's the point.
GUTFELD: Then you are in the minority, Juan, because "The Washington Post" says --
WILLIAMS: No, that's a fact. Listen, I am just talking facts.
WATTERS: Are you calling "The Washington Post" fake news?
WILLIAMS: No, I'm telling you the actual fact. And here's the thing that - -
GUTFELD: There is no crisis. People are dying, no crisis.
WILLIAMS: No, what people dying? That's another one.
GUTFELD: Two children died.
WILLIAMS: Oh, get out of here.
WATTERS: The police officer is saying the other day, were shot by illegal aliens.
WILLIAMS: Look, I got to say, listen, if this is -- and this is the part I like about what President Trump had to say. He talked about humanitarian issues.
GUTFELD: But I thought there was no humanitarian issue.
WILLIAMS: Well, I don't know.
GUTFELD: I thought there was no crisis.
WILLIAMS: If it's a humanitarian crisis --
GUTFELD: First there's no crisis. Now there's a crisis. Eat some candy, Juan.
WILLIAMS: -- because if it's humanitarian why was it not a crisis two years ago when Republicans had control of everything?
WATTERS: All right, let's get in to Dana here. What do you think, Dana?
PERINO: I don't know. I was having fun listening to you all. OK, so I did think of something though. Do you remember when President Obama gave the prime time address on the Affordable Care Act?
GUTFELD: How can I forget?
PERINO: What did Republicans -- remember we sat here. Oh! That's not true and that's not going to work and that's not the case. OK, well here's the thing. He had enough numbers to get that passed. He paid a political price for it. I think the jury is still out on that, it just not solved all the problems that they thought it was going to, but that's what happens in these things.
I actually think presidents, if they -- even if they are not going to make news, if the president says I want to address the nation, that the networks and the cable, like, they should give that because it's not like he asks all the time. This is his first Oval Office address and he chose to do it on immigration.
You can choose to think that it was the speech didn't move the ball. You can choose to think that the speech was factually incorrect, but I do think that the networks did the right thing in taking the speech and that he, you know, gets this reputation for being someone who walks around the White House fuming all the time.
And Chuck Schumer, even today says he's pounding the table. And the White House tries to show no, actually, he's quite rational and --
GUTFELD: He brings candy.
PERINO: He even brought candy like he is so nice. He's a father and he's a grandfather. I think -- I don't think that they made a big dent in moving anything either way. So, we are at an impasse. But I do think this interesting that its $5 billion.
I'm going to say just $5 billion in the big scheme of things in the budget. On Friday, when the payroll doesn't go out, it's more than $5 billion. So, I think that we've lost a little bit of perspective here.
WATTERS: Was the Obama address to the nation, the one where he said if you like your health care, you can keep it.
PERINO: Well, he said it a --
WATTERS: I that was that one. Emily, what did you think about last night and the Democratic response if you can call it that?
COMPAGNO: I think, so, I have been a federal attorney. You guys know. You continue to question it but I promise --
WATTERS: Show us your resume.
COMPAGNO: And I have been furloughed and I've handed out furlough papers. And that pales in comparison to me in seriousness of the day that I was sitting in charge as a managing director of 55 federal employees. There were gunshots outside of my window and there was an active shooter running around because I was responsible for their safety, of them and me.
So, I don't understand why Pelosi and Schumer threw around comments today, just today for example and their response, saying the words tragic and collateral damage, talking about the furlough when that disingenuous comment when our federal employees are being assaulted and murdered at the border.
When our communities, our Midwestern and low income and minority communities and more are being decimated by the drug war, by drugs pouring over the southern border. I encourage you and everyone to read the 2018 DEA Drug Threat Assessment Report which categorized and was quite clear about the level of prolificness that drugs are flowing across the borders, in both ports of entry and not (ph).
And the crippling effect that those transnational narco cartels have on literally everything in our system, including our prison populations, and including diplomacy and bureaucracy and politics and entire towns that are literally in the palms of their hands.
So, when the wall is -- when they say oh, the wall is a morality issue or they talk about this, all of these government employees at the moment, those to me, greater consequences that we are dealing with right now that are being lost in that oversimplified response to the national conversation.
WILLIAMS: But Emily -- Emily, how does a wall solve that? If the drugs are coming through legal ports of entry, the wall is not going to stop it.
GUTFELD: It comes in both places, Juan.
WATTERS: Not all of them, Juan.
COMPAGNO: I'll answer to address that. Number one, the president isn't just talking about a physical barrier but he's also called for a funding for technology for greater reinforcements for border agents --
WILLIAMS: Well, Democrats are willing to --
COMPAGNO: -- for judges, for immigration judges supports that, et cetera.
WILLIAMS: What the Democrat said today as if you're talking about additional funds and forces on the border, to deal with things like that, Emily, we will negotiate. But let's not put the wall out there. Let's not shutdown the government over this charade.
GUTFELD: It's personal, let's face it.
WATTERS: For the same wall that they voted for five years ago.
GUTFELD: It's 46 miles of wall.
WATTERS: I think what Emily is saying is that the Democrats care more about Americans missing paychecks than Americans missing dead family members.
WILLIAMS: Oh, is that it, Jesse?
WATTERS: It's a priority problem.
GUTFELD: Your 46 miles of wall in San Diego.
WATTERS: Democratic "it" girl Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on a tear after the president's speech. Wait until you hear some of the things she said, next.
COMPAGNO: A lot of a reaction to the president's speech last night, but none more worthy of its own segment than that of new Democratic congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. And here's why.
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REP. ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ, D-N.Y.: The president should not be asking for more money to an agency that has systematically violated human rights. The president should be really defending why we are funding such an agency at all because right now what we are seeing is death. Right now what we are seeing is the violation of human rights.
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COMPAGNO: But she didn't just stop at that, slamming ICE, she took it to a whole other level with this.
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OCASIO-CORTEZ: He's fighting against almost every way that people can actually legally enter this country, forcing them to become undocumented, and then he's trying to attack their undocumented status. This is systematic. It is wrong and it is anti-American.
Those women and children trying to come here with nothing but the shirts on their back to create an opportunity and provide for this nation are acting more in an American tradition than this president is right now.
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COMPAGNO: All right, Jesse. She was subjected to some journalistic criticism over this obviously and defended herself against being called vacuous. How do you reconcile -- how would she reconcile that with such seemingly arguably mindless comments?
WATTERS: Well, as someone who has been called vacuous, I can sympathize with here. I'm getting AOC fatigue. She's everywhere. She's on "60 Minutes." She's on MSNBC. She's all over the internet. I'm kind of over it already. Think about what she is saying.
She is saying that the legal aliens are more American than the president of the United States. She is a reverse birther, OK. The opposite of what Trump said. And now she is saying that ICE agents are committing human rights violations. ICE agents are the actual people that apprehend illegal immigrants for committing human rights violations like child sex trafficking and homicide and things like that.
She is saying in the midst of decades, best wage growth, GDP growth and unemployment, hey, you know what, capitalism isn't working. Let's try socialism? It's the kind of stuff you hear in your average college Democrat say and you kind of just roll your eyes.
But now she is a member of Congress. Training wheels are off. She is popping wheelies through the country, throwing hand grenades out there. She is a problem not for Republicans. She is a problem for Pelosi. That's what I think and --
PERINO: I think it's a problem for Schumer.
WATTERS: Chuck or Nancy, whoever.
WILLIAMS: He's a delight for Republicans apparently.
WATTERS: Well, she's good for ratings here at Fox.
WILLIAMS: I think all over the conservative media universe, they seem to delight and what do they call her, AOC, now. I must tell you though, guess what, the American people agree with her.
GUTFELD: Oh then, we are a socialist country now? I didn't know that.
WILLIAMS: No, I'm saying in terms of the American people say the Republicans are responsible for this shutdown and secondly, that when it comes to separating families and children from parents, Americans don't like it. Americans think this is wrong --
GUTFELD: They want open borders.
WATTERS: Americans want to abolish Ice?
WILLIAMS: I think when people say, oh, you know what, these people come and sometimes scare families and workers and with these raids. Remember when Republicans said about ATF jack booted thugs? Well, guess what, imagine if you are an immigrant and you see your grandmother or your cousin being raided and taken away. You say, oh my god. So --
WATTERS: I think that's why (inaudible) said that when the guns were sold to Mexican drug cartels that killed the border agent here.
WILLIAM: No, no, no. You missed the news.
WATTERS: But that was the news, Juan.
COMPAGNO: Dana, you are saying that it's more of a problem for Schumer.
PERINO: Yes. So, the Democrats area already trying to get their 2020 game going and they have -- they were super hopeful. They think that they can make Trump a one term president. Well, OK. So we'll see how that goes. But if they don't win back the Senate, they will not be in a position of power. It is really difficult.
And I think that for Pelosi, where the energy is in the party right now, it helps in the House to have AOC out there and all of these things. They aren't allowed to defend them that much. But if you actually want to have power in the country, you have to win back the Senate.
And I think the more she's out there, the more difficult it is for Chuck Schumer to try to make any gains on the Republicans and that they are more likely -- in 2020, Republicans more likely to keep the Senate or actually even expand the number of seats that they have.
COMPAGNO: What would the messaging be for compassionate, more moderate Democrats who don't agree that the human rights violations and that there is just death with ICE and that there are some type of moderate ground that includes the human rights violations being committed by those being apprehended by those at the border, et cetera.
GUTFELD: I don't want to help them out. No, I would actually say that, you know -- OK, she is the Democratic Party's Trump in the sense that she is galvanizing social media via extreme and memorable pronouncements. Every morning, she gets up and she says what's my "lock her up," what's my "build the wall."
And she comes up with something everyday that like ends up on shows like this. But I think she is betraying her constituency. Illegal immigration affects the wages. It affects the job market of minorities. That's a stone cold fact and it is, Juan. It is.
WILLIAMS: No, I think what the stone cold fact is that immigration actually helps economic growth.
GUTFELD: Yes, legal.
WILLIAMS: No. I'm just saying --
COMPAGNO: -- Illegal developments feeds into systems like (inaudible) categorically low wages and noncompliance and lack of benefits and lack of the things that people on the left calls for.
WILLIAMS: This reminds me of like Mitt Romney's gardeners and Trump people at Trump's property saying, oh yes, I guess we are illegal immigrants, oh.
GUTFELD: I don't follow that. You know what I was saying?
WILLIAMS: Oh, you know, he's doing the work in the country, who's taking the --
GUTFELD: What I am saying is that cheap labor hurts minorities or people that are on the lower rung of the ladder trying to get a job. And you can puff all you want, Juan, that's a fact. The problem is, but let me finish, Juan because you talked a bit.
GUTFELD: We have to get over the fact of they're going to accused you of being sexist if you criticize her. It's actually sexist if you don't criticize her. You have to go up and you got to say your ideas are old. You are refreshing in your delivery. You are young. You are exciting. But your ideas are as dead as the socialism of the past.
WATTERS: You know what, she's doing something and she's not taking the traditional heat that you'd expect when you call a sitting president un- American.
WATTERS: Or you advocate for socialism or you demean the law enforcement. A couple years ago, I am old enough to remember doing those things, you get hit pretty hard. And now --
GUTFELD: But then, I mean --
WATTERS: I mean, this is like from Bill De Blasio school of Democrats.
GUTFELD: I think that had been done to Obama by isolated Republicans, congressmen, a few congressmen. I think we can remember accusing President Obama of not being American and all that stuff. So I think --
WATTERS: And they got hurt for that.
GUTFELD: Yes, there is a mirror --
WATTERS: They got hurt for that.
GUTFELD: She is getting her image to everything on these parties. That's a sad thing, is that one side does exactly what the other side does. That's why there is so much redundancy --
PERINO: I think they should've had had her do the response because then they would have had an ability to communicate with her a little bit and to channel it and to take all of this great energy and try to put it in the direction that they want.
WATTERS: I prefer the Nancy and Chuck response.
WATTERS: That was a much better idea.
COMPAGNO: All right. We got to go. Remember, embattled Sheriff Scott Israel, who some say botched the response of the Parkland High School shooting, a major update on him, next.
WILLIAMS: It's been almost a year since a gunman opened fire at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, and that gunman left 17 people dead. New reports now saying disgraced Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel is telling his top staff that he's being suspended over the quality or lack of quality in the response to the tragedy. But is he? New Florida governor Ron DeSantis addressed the issue earlier today.
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GOV. RON DESANTIS, R-FLA.: In Florida, the governor has the ability to suspend local officials for incompetence, for misfeasance, for neglect of duty. We just had a few days ago, last week, a comprehensive report from the Marjory Stoneman Douglas commission.
It was over 400 pages. It was really troubling to read some of the things that could have been done to prevent one of the most awful tragedies we've had. We will make an announcement on that probably by the end of the week.
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WILLIAMS: Well, so Ron DeSantis is saying, Emily, that he hasn't made a decision but apparently what we are hearing from the sheriff is that he thinks that this is a fait accompli.
COMPAGNO: I will say that in a vacuum, if your tax dollars were being used to pay someone's salary of over $186,000 and then that person's job performance there was a demonstrable via that 500 page report and there's also a subsequent criminal investigation and another public commission report as well that came out.
But in those reports, it outlined that that person's failures, incompetence, lack of training, lack of equipment, change of policy from (inaudible) to May. Literally, it highlighted like ten things that resulted or that impacted and affected the deaths of 17 students.
Absolutely I call for that removal and I think our government would probably be a lot more efficient if there was more accountability like that. Again, it's our tax dollars paying these salaries and that entire situation is a horror --
WILLIAMS: So Jesse, you've been out front on this one calling for him to be removed, but the counter argument to all that Emily just said is that the voters should decide.
WATTERS: Well, if it's an egregious situation like this is, I think the government has the authority to cut him loose and he should. They are cleaning house in Broward. They got rid of Sneaky Snipes, and now the coward from Broward is gone, by the end of the week, we predict. Because remember what he did, Juan. This guy was playing patty-cake with the school shooter for years, visiting his House, like three dozen times, never doing anything.
They heard shots. Everybody forms a perimeter, fools around on the walkie- talkies while kids are being mowed down. His own deputy there ran away from the gunfire instead of toward it. And then afterwards, he got out at the town hall and then blamed the NRA.
The guy is a political animal, and he's got blood on his hands. And I'm glad he's finally going to get a job in the private sector.
WILLIAMS: One quick --
WATTERS: CNN will probably hire him as a law enforcement consultant.
WILLIAMS: Would you say the same thing about the FBI, which also had warnings?
WATTERS: I think heads should fall at the FBI, too. Because I think they had two warnings, as I recall. And they also had, I think, a Department of Child and Family Services. They dropped the ball, as well.
It's just amazing you can stick around in government and not get fired. I mean, you have people like Peter Strzok, or Lois Lerner, or this guy. They disgrace their entire institution, and they can hang around for years before they're going to get fired. It's pretty -- it's cushy. I should work in government, Juan.
WILLIAMS: Yes, yes.
WATTERS: It would be a lot safer.
WILLIAMS: Is that right?
WILLIAMS: I won't make any comment.
So Dana, when you read about this, Jesse touched on this, people saying, "OH, so you're going to get rid of this law enforcement officer, but you don't respond in terms of guns." What do you say?
PERINO: Oh, you mean that DeSantis is not moving forward on legislation?
WILLIAMS: Yes, well, they --
PERINO: I mean, he's been there about 10 minutes.
WILLIAMS: They did something about gun stocks, I think. And --
WILLIAMS: But the fact is I was just reading here, 40,000 people in the U.S. died from firearm deaths in 2017. The highest since 1968.
PERINO: OK, but -- OK, so Governor DeSantis has been governor for, like, 10 minutes.
PERINO: OK. So the first thing that he gets in regards to this high- school shooting is this report. It's 400 pages. And to me, it sounds like he's been quite responsible, looking at the report and going to make a decision based on that, not based on an instinct or a grudge or anything like that.
And let's give him a chance to think that there is something that he thinks that should be done on guns in Florida. The legislature, actually, under Governor Rick Scott, now senator, they actually did move some legislation just last year. So I think we should just give him a chance. He's only been there a minute.
WILLIAMS: So Greg, I'm struck by this, because you know, to me, you're a guy who would always support the right of democracy. Let the voters decide. But his would be an executive action. Apparently, he has the right, but what do you think?
GUTFELD: I think that, if he had any kind of self-respect, he would have resigned immediately, because the evidence was overwhelming.
I mean, remember, this guy is a stereotype. He's like -- he's like -- he's this power-hungry, arrogant cliche of, like, a TV sheriff strutting before the cameras after that heinous act took place. Remember those long press conferences that he would soak it up, just soaked it up.
And to your point, Jesse, I will never forget that town hall on CNN with Dana Loesch.
GUTFELD: She went out there and was thrown before the wolves, figuratively speaking. And he sat there. And instead of trying to throw her a lifeline, he threw her an anvil. He actually made a comment that engendered all this supplies that -- it was basically saying, yes, you're the one that's at fault. And he was the one, as you said, with blood on your hands. If he had just the same passion for the citizens that he did for the limelight, those kids would be alive.
WILLIAMS: Well, you know -- you know what struck me was I think the arrogance thing, because I also read a quote here. It's he was on CNN and said if "'ifs' and 'buts' were candy and nuts" --
WILLIAMS: -- "O.J. Simpson would still be in the record books." And to make excuses for the fact that the training and the radio equipment was faulty.
WILLIAMS: Anyway, the media wasted no time dissecting the president's speech last night. Gregory -- yes --
WILLIAMS: Gregory is going to break down their fact-checking. Stay tuned for that on THE FIVE
GUTFELD: Fact checked their fact checking.
GUTFELD: My favorite part from last night, the flurry of fact-checking.
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BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Fact-checkers, eat your Wheaties today.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We'll be fact-checking relentlessly.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They have to have real-time fact-checking.
JIM ACOSTA, CNN CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Setting a scene for an address that will test the fact-checkers later on tonight.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GUTFELD: What sheep.
Sadly, the dizzy anticipation overwhelmed the payoff. Afterward, the media seemed so deflated they had to turn to their late-night booty call: collusion. It's always there for them.
Oh, they tried to fact-check, but it was hard because the stats were real and they were sobering. Like when Donald Trump detailed the murder of a young police officer, a dismembered neighbor, gang members stabbing a young girl to death. Those, sadly, are facts.
Also hard to question: the 266,000 arrests of aliens with criminal records; the 100,000 assaults; 30,000 sex crimes; 4,000 violent killings; the one in three women sexually assaulted on the trek through Mexico; or the 20,000 migrant children illegally brought into the U.S. last month, many used by coyotes and gangs.
Those were facts ignored by the media and, of course, by Ma and Pa Kettle. Trump had put them in a fact-check box.
But the best overreach, there's a bona fide emergency on the border, said "The Washington Post" just days ago. Jesse brought it up here yesterday. Then when Trump brought up this humanitarian crisis, the same paper called him a liar. Was it because he used their analysis?
No wonder nobody pays attention to these so-called fact-checkers. They don't even trust what they say to themselves and neither do we.
PERINO: Well --
GUTFELD: Thanks. Jesse. No, I'm kidding. They said I didn't have time. Go ahead.
PERINO: It was so much build-up to speech --
PERINO: -- that the time the speech was given, it was anticlimactic.
GUTFELD: It was.
PERINO: It was like, if the president had announced a national emergency, that would've been like, "Wow. OK, there's news.
Instead, because it was -- if you're covering this every day, there was really nothing new but he put it all together and and one place. It was geared toward to the broader public who doesn't pay attention to this stuff all the time. And that's what it was supposed to do.
Plus, what journalists do is fact-checking. You don't have to specifically say, "I'm going to fact-check now." You just do your job, because that's what you do.
GUTFELD: See, you know what I found, Emily? That they portrayed their rebuttal as a fact-check. They disagreed with what he said. Then they would go, "Oh, but it's coming through port of entries." Yes, that's probably because there's a wall that kept them from somewhere else. That's a rebuttal; it's not a fact-check.
COMPAGNO: Yes, to that, and I also think that there was a missed opportunity to talk -- to take -- to kind of get out of that mired in the details and just talk about that larger -- the larger issues and how, in fact, it would roll out in terms of policy.
Because remember, the whole point, too, was and tomorrow the Democrats are meeting him at the White House to maybe come to an agreement within an hour. And so -- and of course, accuracy is important, but I just think it became its own flurry and kind of ridiculous.
GUTFELD: Jesse, I want to bring up John Avlon. He tweeted -- CNN, I believe. Correct? CNN? "So the view from the Oval Office seems to be most documented migrants are murderers, drug dealers, thugs and drug traffickers."
Trump never said that.
GUTFELD: He just went over statistics. That's their problem. They are completely biased. And they think that their bias is somehow a sieve for fact-checking.
WATTERS: So here's what they'll do. They'll say, "Well, illegal immigrants commit less crimes than the average American citizen." That's like saying crack kills less people than heroin. It doesn't mean you don't fight the crack epidemic. Police officers go after crimes. They don't go after people. So when you reduce illegal immigration, you will therefore reduce crime.
I also don't like when they say this is a manufactured crisis. OK? Juan says, you know, in 2000, there were 100,000 illegal border crossings per month. Now there are 60,000 border crossings per month. That's like saying my home got broken into in 2000 five times, and now it gets broken into three times. It doesn't mean you don't do anything about securing your home. They're just trying to ignore the problem.
Another statistic which was pretty amazing, Trump said last night that one in three women, when they make the journey north, gets raped when they're trying to come to America. The fact-checkers came out and actually said its four in five women get raped.
PERINO: How many --
WATTERS: So when you add that to the fact that there's sick kids now being held, because you can't send the back; because they're from Central America and they come from families, because of the loopholes. That the assaults on Border Patrol agents are up 300 percent. And then Officer Singh killed by an illegal immigrant the other day.
To say that that's a manufactured crisis, but global warming is a real crisis, how many Americans have died from global warming, Juan?
WILLIAMS: Wow. You know --
WATTERS: How many, Williams?
WILLIAMS: I'll tell you what?
WATTERS: How many? Zero.
WILLIAMS: I think your brain might --
WILLIAMS: Your brain might be fried on it, on that global warming.
WILLIAMS: So here's the thing. You know what? I agree with Dana. I think journalists should check facts from these powerful people when they speak from the bully pulpit.
GUTFELD: Not if they're biased; if they're rebuttals.
WILLIAMS: Listen, there's no need for bias. Check the facts. But the way that you guys present the facts, for example, that crossings are at a 20- year low: "So what if it's --" well, If it's at a 20-year low and you say, "Well, that still is a crisis," well, then what happened when --
GUTFELD: Never been addressed.
WILLIAMS: -- the Republicans were in control of everything and did nothing about this so-called crisis? I think most people, maybe like Stormy Daniels said --
COMPAGNO: Oh, my God.
WILLIAMS: -- "I prefer folding laundry" or maybe like people say --
PERINO: Is that what you were watching, Juan?
WILLIAMS: -- "What's the president squinting at there?" He's squinting at the teleprompter. It just wasn't him last night, and he made no news.
And so when you think why fact-check, I'll tell you why. Because this guy has been demonizing people --
GUTFELD: Or demonized.
WILLIAMS: -- who are immigrants and then saying lies about those immigrants. And then he gets a national address, and everybody says, "Well, we've got to check on the lies."
GUTFELD: We've got to move on. I just don't understand why the left conflates illegal immigrants with legal immigrants. We'll save that for another day.
Don't go anywhere. "Wild Wild Card Wednesday" is next.
PERINO: All right. It's time for "Wild Card Wednesday."
So you know how it goes. We choose a topic, put them in this hat. None of us knows the stories each of us picked. I mean, you know your own story but not that one. So everybody, we're going to try to get through as many as we can.
Prowler spends three hours licking doorbell at California home. This is weird. There's a surveillance video. Whose is this?
WATTERS: This is mine.
GUTFELD: I love this.
PERINO: The surveillance video, the California men, he's spending three hours licking a family's doorbell.
PERINO: I don't understand.
GUTFELD: What do you mean you don't understand? The human being is a complex creature.
COMPAGNO: Oh, my God.
GUTFELD: Something goes wrong in your brain, and you have some strange fetish. The guy likes doorbells.
PERINO: Jesse, why did you choose this?
WATTERS: Why did I choose this? Because look, I wanted to watch this. Look at this.
WATTERS: The guy is working hard.
PERINO: The police have identified the perp, caught on camera relieving himself in the front yard, as well. And he would only face misdemeanor charges of petty theft and prowling. What did he steal?
WATTERS: The prowler.
PERINO: All right, all right.
GUTFELD: Could be worse.
WATTERS: Not going to make any jokes.
PERINO: Here we go with another one. The first Paris restaurant for nude diners to close down, due to lack of customers. Au Natural opened just 15 months ago. It's going to permanently close its doors. OK, whose is this?
COMPAGNO: That was mine. That was mine.
WATTERS: Oui, oui.
COMPAGNO: I thought it was -- I thought it was -- oh, my God.
COMPAGNO: I thought it was so funny and ridiculous, because the whole, like, platform behind it was, like, we want to make gastronomy available for nudists. Like as if it was some issue about quality.
COMPAGNO: Like, I can't even eat if someone -- just the thought of eating or -- it just --
GUTFELD: See, they should combine it with cooking. If you really are that strong a nudist, you have to have, like -- you should be, like, frying up bacon. Naked. Frying up bacon naked. That's my point.
PERINO: All right.
GUTFELD: Juan is going, "I'm staying out of this."
WILLIAMS: Well, I'm on it -- I'm on it. I mean, if you're on the beach, I guess. I don't know. Maybe, you know, get that sun that Jesse was talking about.
GUTFELD: You get sand everywhere.
PERINO: I mean, that's just terrible.
All right. This $7,000 smart toilet has built-in -- built-in speakers, mood lighting, and Amazon Alexa voice control. This has to be yours.
GUTFELD: Of course it is.
WATTERS: Mood lighting?
COMPAGNO: Are the speakers in or out?
GUTFELD: What you mean in? In the bathroom?
COMPAGNO: Where is the sound going?
GUTFELD: Obviously, you have speakers in the bathroom.
I only bring this up so I can voice yet again how much I hate our bathrooms on the 18th floor, which are absolutely disgusting.
PERINO: Well, they're going to -- there's going to a remodeling.
GUTFELD: Yes. I'm -- I am running out of patience.
PERINO: I know. It is tough.
WATTERS: I don't get the mood lighting. What is that for?
GUTFELD: I don't know. Romantic. Maybe you want to be romantically evacuating.
PERINO: Well, maybe --
WILLIAMS: Women -- women, like, light candles and --
GUTFELD: So sexist.
PERINO: All right. Random destination generator, a new service that plants surprise vacations. This was mine.
So what you do here is you subscribe to BRB travel services. You pay roughly $50 a month subscription fee to unlock a three-day, two-night vacation every four months. And you don't know where you're going. They basically -- it's like a surprise trip.
WATTERS: You couldn't handle that, Dana.
PERINO: I think I could.
WATTERS: I don't think you could.
PERINO: I'm actually quite adventurous.
GUTFELD: I mean, how far are the for three days? How far are they?
PERINO: Well, that doesn't say. But it's -- you go to a hotel.
WATTERS: You could not handle that, Greg.
GUTFELD: Actually, I would. This is good for me.
PERINO: You can opt out of any unwanted --
WATTERS: Actually, that is good for you.
GUTFELD: So I don't have -- I don't have any choices.
PERINO: But you can opt out within a month.
GUTFELD: But then, see --
PERINO: We shouldn't give you a choice to opt out.sa
GUTFELD: It should be mandatory. It should be mandatory. Because I -- 90 percent of my anxiety is planning. I would much rather have --
PERINO: Just, like, pay for someone to do it.
PERINO: And then they're going to come kidnap you and drug you and then take you to the place.
GUTFELD: But you know where you're going to end up? You're going to end up in Savannah, Georgia. It's always the same place.
PERINO: What's wrong with Savannah, Georgia?
GUTFELD: Because it's always on the same list of cities.
PERINO: I actually love Savannah, Georgia.
WATTERS: We love you, Savannah.
PERINO: Yes, and we know we have friends there in Savannah.
WILLIAMS: Yes, but you would end up in Motel 6.
PERINO: OK. A woman earns 40 grand a year as a professional cuddler. I know that Juan had to choose this one, because he's the last one here.
PERINO: Robin Marie, she's 48 year old. She earns 40 grand a year because she -- people want to pay her to snuggle and cuddle.
PERINO: What the heck is going on?
GUTFELD: That is -- you know, it's all a scam.
WATTERS: I had one of them on my show, professional cuddler.
WILLIAMS: Yes, what was it like?
WATTERS: Classic "Watters' World." I still think she's underpaid. And she says it's not sexual.
WILLIAMS: No sex.
GUTFELD: Of course not. Of course not. That's --
WILLIAMS: They put up barriers, you know. They have to negotiate before and say, "Hey, this is where the limits are."
PERINO: This is so weird.
WILLIAMS: But I don't get it: $40,000 a year. So there's a market for this, and I think don't people have friends and family?
PERINO: All right. We've got to run. We've got one to get out of here. "One More Thing" is up next.
WATTERS: Time now for "One More Thing" -- Juan Williams.
WILLIAMS: Well, good news for "The Five" family: We had a baby.
WILLIAMS: Yes, senior producer Brett Zoeller and his wife, Lauren, had baby Miles Westcott Zoeller at 5:15 a.m. this very morning. He's a big boy, weighing in at 9 pounds, 3 ounces. In fact, Daddy tells us that when Miles appeared, the doctor shouted, "Oh, my God, he's huge!"
Normally, you know, at this table, the five of us, we like to argue. There will be hiccups, throw-ups, lots of late nights. But there's nothing that compares to a happy, healthy baby. So on this one, "The Five" agrees: Best wishes to Lauren, Brett, and baby Biles.
WATTERS: Wow, Brett's jacked. Look at those pipes. See that T-shirt? Jeez. That's why he wanted to show those pictures.
PERINO: He's going to need that to hold that big baby.
WATTERS: That's right. It's a big one.
All right, Dana.
PERINO: OK, so chMatthew Charles, he's become the first person to be released from prison under the First Step Act, which was the law signed by President Trump that eases mandatory minimum drug sentences.
He was sentenced to more than three decades in prison for selling crack cocaine. He's now getting a second chance in life. And I spoke to him earlier today on "The Daily Briefing," where I asked him what it was like when he found out.
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MATTHEW CHARLES, RELEASED FROM PRISON UNDER FIRST STEP ACT: I found out on January 1 and got out two days later, so I was just really, really surprised.
This was all a change that occurred in 1996 that started with my heart and just reflected outwards. For those that have changed in their heart that do want to be role models to their children and grandchildren, that do want to be able to come back out to society, I want to speak to those kind of guys.
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PERINO: So he was on the show today, and we are glad to have him. And congratulations and good luck to you, Matthew Charles from all of us.
WATTERS: I bet he never thought he'd be pardoned by Donald Trump. President Donald Trump, right?
PERINO: He didn't get pardoned.
WILLIAMS: Yes, no pardon.
WATTERS: Same thing.
COMPAGNO: No, it's not.
GUTFELD: Time for --
WATTERS: Oh, no.
GRAPHIC: Greg's Plus.
GUTFELD: "Greg's Plugs."
GUTFELD (singing): Animals are great!
All right. So on Fox Nation, go to Fox Nation. If you don't have it, you should join it. I have Professor Christina Hoff Sommers. She's brilliant. She's the smart person that I interview.
We talk about discrimination against men, and toxic -- toxic masculinity and how it affects men and the future of the #MeToo movement.
Then on FOXNewsPodcasts.com, which anybody can go to, I have Elbert Guillory on my podcast. He's fantastic. We talk about Donald Trump's speech and AOC, Robert de Niro calling Trump a racist. It's a really good podcast, and he's hilarious.
PERINO: Oh, good. I'm going to listen tonight.
GUTFELD: Please do.
WATTERS: Greg said he could never have me on that FOX Nation show, because then he'd have to change the name of the show.
WATTERS: "One Smart Person and Greg." Can't do it.
WATTERS: Can't do it.
All right, Odell Beckham Jr., you know the Giants wide-out. He was throwing the ball with some chimpanzees. Look at that.
WATTERS: Look at that catch, too. I think he was taking a shot at Manning. I think that was kind of like a dig right there. These guys throw better than Eli.
But anyway, so he throws the ball around with these wild animals, and you know who gets man? Not the team for putting himself at risk.
WATTERS: PETA gets mad. They released a statement, saying all kinds of stuff: this is wrong. This is dehumanizing to animals, go figure.
PERINO: Dehumanizing to animals?
WATTERS: Yes, I know. Can you believe it?
PERINO: How can you dehumanize an animal?
WATTERS: Well, Odell's safe and sound. And I think we're all better for it -- Emily.
COMPAGNO: All right. Today is Law Enforcement Appreciation Day. This is the fifth year in a row that this has been kind of formally celebrated.
And I want to take this opportunity to acknowledge and express gratitude to the over 850,000 uniformed officers that protect our safety every year.
And if I have time for two quick stories, my favorite two quick law enforcement stories.
No. 1, when I got back from a trip and my car was obliterated. It had been broken into, literally shattered. The entire thing was ripped apart, whatever. Right in the middle of the front seat, however, was the card of the Oakland police officer that was like, "I'm here, give me a call." It was great.
And then my second favorite story --
GUTFELD: Better hurry up.
COMPAGNO: -- is when I was -- is when I was pulled over, and I was in my Raiderette uniform; and he gave us (UNINTELLIGIBLE) back and I thanked him with a calendar I signed.
GUTFELD: That's a great story!
WATTERS: Wow. I didn't think she'd be able to do it. "Special Report" up next with Bret.
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