Illegal immigration surges at the southern border, reaching record numbers
Border Patrol reports a 300 percent spike in family apprehensions; reaction and analysis on 'The Five.'
This is a rush transcript from "The Five," March 6, 2019. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
JUAN WILLIAMS, HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Juan Williams along with Jedediah Bila, Jesse Watters, Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is “The Five”.
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R. KELLY, ARTIST: I didn't do this stuff. This is not me. I'm fighting for my (BLEEP) life. (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Robert.
KELLY: You all are trying to kill me. You're killing me, man. This is not about music. I'm trying to have a relationship with my kids and I can't do it.
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WILLIAMS: In that wild and explosive interview, R. Kelly raging against sexual abuse allegations. The embattled R&B singer vehemently denied claims that he had sex with underage girls or held women against their will.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have to tell you, it's so hard to believe that based on all --
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What the women said about you.
KELLY: What women said about me -- so nobody is allowed to be mad at me and be scorned and allow me?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So, I think the point you're making is, and correct me if I'm wrong, that you've never held anybody against their will.
KELLY: I don't need to. Why would I? How stupid --
(CROSSTALK)
KELLY: -- R. Kelly. With all I've been through in my way, way past, to hold somebody, let alone four, five, six, 50, you've said. How stupid would I be to do that?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I didn't say --
KELLY: That's stupid, guys. Is this camera on me?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
KELLY: That's stupid. Use your common sense.
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WILLIAMS: Kelly has pleaded not guilty to ten counts of aggravated criminal sexual abuse. Three of the four alleged victims were minors when the suspected crimes took place. His legal troubles coming after lifetimes chilling documentary Surviving R. Kelly, it exposed these revelations.
Kelly isn't the only pop superstar facing scrutiny over these allegations in a new documentary. Michael Jackson's estate announced it's suing HBO for $100 million over Leaving Neverland. That film which aired earlier this week reveals disturbing details of alleged sex abuse by two accusers who claim Jackson molested them as children. The Jackson family has denied the allegations.
Dana, first of all, let's just start with that explosive interview. He says, you all trying to kill me, what do you think?
DANA PERINO, HOST: Well, I want to compliment Gayle King, as I think most people are, amazing that she got the interview and that she handled herself so well. And my favorite part of the interview is actually when she says, Robert. I'm like, calm yourself down. I'm curious about the performance -- I'm going to call it performance because -- I don't understand if it was planned, like they know the cameras are going to be there.
He doesn't think he's going to get a fair shot in the court of public -- in court, so he's going to try to get some sympathy in the court of public opinion. This afternoon he was actually back in court because he owes $250,000 worth of child support payments that he's late on. So, I think that because he's been in jail and he's looking at going back to jail --
WILLIAMS: Well, he's in custody now.
PERINO: They took him in this afternoon. So, he's like, let's just lay it all out there and see if this something they can work to keep him out of jail. I really doubt it.
WILLIAMS: Jesse, this story has been around for years about R. Kelly, and really never gained traction. And then you have this incredible documentary, Surviving R. Kelly, so why now? Is it just because of the documentary?
JESSE WATTERS, HOST: Yeah, it's the documentary, Juan. And I've already convicted him. I saw the documentary. It's atrocious. I know he's innocent until his proven guilty, but it's so damning to listen to the women testify as to what he did to them. And this wasn't just like, oh, he made a mistake with a 17-year-old who's turning 18 in one month.
No, this was a lifestyle that he lived for two to three decades where his entourage was complicit when they would allegedly procure women. He had a bedroom in his recording studio. The executives in the recording industry were aware of this. And women were paid. And you know he's got a rap sheet. So when he has this emotional outburst, I do question whether or not it was planned.
But at the same time, I see a man who was cornered, who's fighting for his life, fighting for his family, fighting for his fortune, who knows it's all over at this point for him because he built up this fantasy world for years he'd lived in where there was no one saying no, and it was outside of the realm of the law and all that crashing down. And he was acting like a child, throwing a tantrum. And acting like he was the victim, like you're doing this to me and taking no responsibility for himself. I agree, hats off to Gayle King for totally redeeming herself after the Smollett fiasco.
WILLIAMS: Jedediah, you know --
PERINO: That was not Gayle King.
WATTERS: Oh, I knew that.
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PERINO: Robin Roberts did the Smollett -- interview.
WATTERS: Robin Roberts.
WILLIAMS: Jedediah, one of the things that I think lots of people --
WATTERS: Sorry for Robin Roberts up there.
WILLIAMS: Go right ahead, Jesse.
WATTERS: I apologize.
WILLIAMS: Jedediah, one of the things that I think people are fascinated by is that in the documentary his wife says that he was abusive and a liar. Then you had not only girls but you had their parents --
JEDEDIAH BILA, HOST: Right.
WILLIAMS: -- and there's a clip where he does 2015 interview I think with Toure, where Toure says do you like underage girls and he said what you mean by underage? Hold on, you know. And even of late, with Gayle King, he says, you know, when people ask do I look at younger woman, you know, I don't look at younger. I look at you and me. It's like, whoa. To me these are alarming things.
BILA: And he also said in the interview -- I couldn't believe the way he said it. I look at legal. He kept saying, well, they're legal because they were asking -- she was saying -- well, you're living with a 21 and a 23-year-old, were you with them before? Were you with them when they were underage? I do think it's a huge tribute --documentaries have completely changed the landscape now.
PERINO: Yeah.
BILA: These stories -- people -- so many people I know had made up their minds about these people 10 years ago, 20 years ago, whether it's Michael Jackson or whether you're talking about R. Kelly. And now -- are watching these personal testimonies like you said of the family members, of the victims, and there's a humanitarian element being brought to these stories and people are changing their minds about how they feel about this.
And I went to make a list of all of the -- all of the girls, the underage girls, I mean, it was endless, all of these accusations. And I think it's a tribute to that format that it's not the same as reading a new story. You can read a news story and it may sound horrific. You're not moved in the same way as when you turn on a documentary and you hear from those people who live those stories. It's a very, very powerful vehicle and I think it's completely changing the dynamic of news, and of reporting, and of everything.
WILLIAMS: So, Greg, you know something about the music industry. And I'm struck by the thought that for viewers who are as old as I am, that you could go back to someone like Jerry Lee Lewis --
GREG GUTFELD, HOST: Right.
WILLIAMS: -- who's marrying his cousin who was a teenager.
GUTFELD: Like 13 or 14.
WILLIAMS: Yeah. And you come forward then to Michael Jackson and those allegations and what we've seen in Leaving Neverland. And now here we are with R. Kelly. What do you make -- is this just the music industry?
GUTFELD: It's awful behavior but it's not new. It's actually a lifestyle -- there're a long line of performers whose behavior is as bad as their options will allow them. So if they have the option and the advantages, they will take advantage of it. There's a whole history of this in the 1970s, especially with rock bands.
They used to be called baby groupies. These were girls that were 13 to 15. There're movies about them. There are books in which they're mention. There are songs written by famous bands about these girls. It was just part of this lifestyle where if you wanted to be -- it was almost transaction. And even parents were aware of it. Parents were aware that their girls were going to check out these guys.
He is a fiend, but you're missing the history of human behavior, how status, power, and fame can create a twisted universe of options. And the victims at the time aren't even aware that they are victims. If you watch the Michael Jackson documentary, they don't even see themselves as victims until afterwards as adults when they find themselves with these psychological issues. And then you look at the parents. The parents in these cases are victims of this confirmation bias.
Michael Jackson is a huge superstar. Why can't I leave my child with him? No superstar is going to molest my child. So he can sleep in the same bed as my child. That is confirmation bias at its worst. It's just like conspiracy theorists who will believe anything. You must believe. You cannot not believe this and then when it comes crashing down, you cannot forgive yourself for what happened. We're going to talk about that tomorrow with the abducted in plain sight thing. But it is -- it's like they're in heavy denial because their bias won't let them see the truth.
WILLIAMS: Well, in the short term, you have a lot of radio stations in New Zealand, Canada, pulling Michael Jackson off the radio. And even here, Tom Joyner, a leading morning DJ saying he's not going to play R. Kelly. The Department of Homeland Security issuing a new warning about the southern border, details ahead on THE FIVE.
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WATTERS: There's a major surge at the southern border, U.S. customs and border protection releasing new stats showing a nearly 100 percent increase in asylum-seekers compared to just last year. And the number of family units detained up by 300 percent. Democrats mostly ignoring the new data and said going after Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen during a hearing today on Capitol Hill.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can you independently make a decision in contrary to the President of the United States on behalf of the American people for what is best for them?
KIRSTJEN NIELSEN, HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY: What I can tell you is I take my oath with utmost extreme importance. I always do my best.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let me tell you, Ma'am Secretary, either you're lying to this committee or you don't know what's happening at the border.
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WATTERS: Wow. And in dramatic moment, Nielsen describes just how dangerous it is for children crossing the border.
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NIELSEN: As you know, sir, very unfortunately because of the increase in violence, at ICE, when we have families with children, we have to give every girl a pregnancy test over 10. This is not a safe journey.
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WATTERS: All right, against my better judgment, I'm going to go to Juan with you first here. New York Times lead story, border at breaking point, and they talk about the broken records of families coming across. It's a real crisis, don't you agree?
WILLIAMS: I think what you have is -- what we've been calling a humanitarian crisis, if that's what you're talking about, it's not about an invading army. What we have is over half of this 76,000 in the last few months is 40,000 families and an additional 7,250 kids. So it's like two- thirds of this is families and they're largely from -- not from Mexico, by the way, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras.
WATTERS: Yep.
WILLIAMS: And when they come, they're not like running in and running somewhere and joining a gang. They're specifically saying we're seeking asylum because we're fleeing violence, poverty, and hunger. So that's a different dynamic than with the one described, of course, in the middle of the midterms or even now in --
WATTERS: OK. But you admit that there's a humanitarian crisis at the border.
WILLIAMS: Oh, yeah --
WATTERS: OK, good. We have Juan on the record admitting there's a crisis. Dana, what do you think? These numbers are astronomical.
PERINO: They were -- they broke record in the first three -- in five months that they usually do over a year. And so -- I don't like about this hearing is that you have the Democratic Congress people ascribing terrible intentions to the secretary, and suggesting she has no idea what's going on at the border, I mean, that's extremely insulting. It's what she does all day long. She's got incredible amount of responsibilities. Part of it was preparing for that hearing, to go up there so that she could be berated by them.
And look on the Republican side, they have all -- they say you agree with this, you agree -- yes. I think the thing is -- like, we should all be able to agree that it's a humanitarian crisis that needs to be dealt with, right? OK. So -- so the Democrats don't like the wall idea. They think that's a bad one. OK. So then, what else are you suggesting to help stop the flow? I don't see any of that. I don't see anything that they're suggesting that would actually stop it.
WILLIAMS: But I think there are suggestions about increasing space for detentions, the judges to get this done. Even arguments about whether or not we change the law.
WATTERS: No, I mean, that's a great start, changing some of the asylum laws, Greg, that have these loopholes where if you're from Central America and you step foot in there with a minor, boom, stay in this country home free.
GUTFELD: Sanctuary cities do not help the humanitarian crisis because what you're doing is you're suggesting that it's a lower barrier to entries. So what you're getting are -- you're not getting asylum-seekers. You're getting people that think, OK, this is going to be easier. They get raped. They get duct taped. They're given pills in case they're raped. The media drives me nuts because -- first, it's a crisis, then it's not a crisis, then it's a crisis. I realize it's only a crisis if it hurts Trump, all right?
So the media cannot be trusted on the coverage of this issue because the issue for them is driven by conflict. If you point to evidence and say you need enhance border security, they will call you a bigot because they need the conflict to get the clickbait to make the money. So if somebody new takes over and says exactly what Trump is saying, they'll be behind it. But until then, their breaking news at CNN will be parents deported without children, but the crisis won't be mentioned about the rapes and the caravans and stuff in the New York Times, that's a crisis.
WATTERS: And one of the things you've mentioned in the New York Times that I found buried in the very last page was that the cartels and the smugglers send these mini caravans across the border one way and then while border patrol is distracted, they send the drugs the other way.
BILA: That's right. I mean, and you have to do two things, you have to disincentive people who are coming here illegally. This is separate from the asylum issue. You have to disincentive. And they can't feel that they have access, that they can easily come over.
And the second thing you do is you have to modify the asylum laws. Whether we expand the deportation centers or the processing centers as you've said Juan, or expand our abilities there or increase border patrol agents, that's all fine and good, but that's not doing anything about the influx of the people coming over.
And the issue with the language for asylum is that credible fear -- people are concerned that it's too broad. That essentially a lot of these people coming from these countries, what defines, you know, a credible fear of persecution? Are they talking about something that's coming from a position of authority or a leader?
Are they talking about something happening in their own home? Is that language so broad now that you have a bunch of people using the asylum clause that wouldn't actually -- that shouldn't actually fall under the asylum close, because the bottom line is, you have to be able to manage this at someway. You cannot have an influx of this many people coming across the border. We can't sustain it. We can't vent it. And it's just not workable. This situation is not sustainable.
WATTERS: And sometimes, like, you're right, it is a credible fear of persecution, but then you have instances where people are recycling children to then just use as props to bring across in order --
GUTFELD: That's good for the environment.
WATTERS: That's good. AOC supports that. A revered economist warning about what will happen to America if Democrats pass their socialist policies, up next.
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GUTFELD: You know when you should be worried, when the smartest guy in the world tells you to be worried. Here's legendary economist Thomas Sowell lamenting the romance of socialism.
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THOMAS SOWELL, ECONOMIST: Socialism is a wonderful sounding idea. It's only as a reality that it's disastrous. So many people today, including in the leading universities, don't pay much attention to evidence. When you see people starving in Venezuela and fleeing in the neighboring countries and realizing this is a country that once had the world's largest oil reserves, you realize that they've ruined a very good prospect with ideas that sounded good but didn't turn out well. I do have a great fear that in the long run, we may not make it. And I hate to say that.
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GUTFELD: I hate to hear it. So socialism succeeds because we ignore history, always waking up to another homicidal groundhog day. Thanks to bitter academics who couldn't find real work, a lazy, poorly educated media confused by economics, and a naive populace, it keeps coming back. It's the Freddy Krueger of political theories, every decade a new nightmare. The key to stopping it is all of us. We must resist those who don't see the scan behind socialism that only offers the fantasy of free everything, hoping you never asked, but how?
The only winners in the socialist estate are those who run the state, every leftist dream of standing up on the platform and reviewing the parade of workers and tanks. That's how you prevent a Venezuela. You just describe it, a fat tyrant and lunch from garbage trucks. From Zimbabwe to Albania, once socialism essentialist beast fails, which always does, the whole thing goes. And that triggers the survival instinct of those in power who ultimately rely on force.
Of course, people can cite social programs as socialism, but safety nets and charity can only thrive via the free market. Today's leftist prefers all net and no market. That's disastrous. No wonder when you look into the eyes of a true believing socialist, you see something off. It's fervent belief untethered to reality, and in that fervor is an acceptance that if it doesn't work out we'll just send in the army.
So, Juan, I have a theory that I think -- this is a year -- this is a time when libertarians and conservatives can look at the promises of socialism and say we can achieve that without socialism. Because, you know, free markets deliver on goods, like a TV cost $20,000 is now $200, like the big screens. You look at the space program is now on a phone. Socialism didn't bring us the iPhone. Capitalism did. So, actually, the free markets are what make things free or freer. How's that for a theory?
PERINO: A theory.
WILLIAMS: You know, I'm a big fan of capitalism but I do think that you have to moderate some of its excesses. Obviously, we moderate something like child labor or monopolies, or my favorite of recent vintage, too big to fail, which angered a lot of people on the left and the right.
GUTFELD: Angered me.
WILLIAMS: OK. So I think that you have to look at it in those terms. Now, Tom Sowell is a friend so I'm, you know, great admirer of Thomas Sowell, brilliant man. But I think when you look at it, the response from the right is to say, much like Donald Trump, oh, so let's have trade wars because that will cut it down. Let's impose tariffs and the like, right? We're going to play against this because there's income inequality, and income inequality is what driving calls for the bigger social safety net that people are calling socialism.
But what do we see today? Deficits the biggest ever. Trade deficits with China the biggest ever. I'm just thinking maybe instead of screaming about socialism, we should stream about some of these economic policies now in place that aren't delivering for the very people who voted for Donald Trump.
GUTFELD: There are people doing better under Trump.
BILA: That's true. I do. I honestly appreciate his pessimism that he says, you know, I don't know if we're going to make it or -- because I think it says something about human nature. Unfortunately, I think we as a people, sometimes, it doesn't matter how many times we read about Venezuela, or we look to the history of other countries. It's like we have to suffer through it ourselves. And I think he's saying I don't know if you can avoid the fact that these sound bites sound really good.
GUTFELD: Right.
BILA: This stuff sounds amazing. It sounds fantastic. It doesn't work like that. It doesn't show up like that. Logic would tell you to be able to look at the histories of other countries or the present-day of other countries and be able to deduce, that's not going to be an answer but it's almost like we're compelled to live through the suffering ourselves.
That's what I took from what he was saying. Unfortunately, I think in this culture and this day and age with technology being what it is, and twitter, the sound bite wins. So they're running in academia, people on the left. They running with that free stuff and it's just harder to explain capitalism.
GUTFELD: We need better sound bites, Jesse. Like saying, you know, socialism is like a Santa making all of us the elves.
WATTERS: I like build the wall and make America great again a little bit better than that. I think our sound bites are great. I liked the Freddy Krueger and the Groundhog Day reference --
GUTFELD: Oh, thank you.
WATTERS: -- at the top. That was good. I would disagree with Juan. Juan says we need to moderate the excesses of capitalism. I don't think $100 trillion in the green new deal is moderate. I think that's pretty extreme. And the only thing they can defeat America is if we defeat ourselves. We're not guaranteed to only be the world's superpower --
GUTFELD: True.
WATTERS: -- forever. There's been plenty of empires in the past, they've crashed and crumbled because they over extend and then when they're confronted, they implode.
What's going on now is we have a choice. We can either be the world's superpower, confront China, dominate space and spread peace and prosperity or we can curl up inwardly and redistribute the wealth here.
So we can't win with socialism. Socialism will destroy our national security. You can't spend trillions on national defense and trillions here at home. It's either one or the other. So if you want to live not under the thumb of the Chinese nuclear threat, I'd say stick with capitalism.
GUTFELD: Dana, you are a fan of capitalism or so I've read in your book, how much I love capitalism by Dana Perino out in 2021.
PERINO: Yes, thank you for that plug. I think when we here say, we don't want to be like Venezuela and the Democrats say, well, we're not suggesting Venezuela.
GUTFELD: Right, yes.
PERINO: We think that we can be more like Sweden.
GUTFELD: Yes.
PERINO: Where they have 10 million people.
GUTFELD: Right.
PERINO: And they are taxed an X amount and they have a pretty low standard of living.
GUTFELD: Yes.
PERINO: But do they have socialized medicine? Yes. Okay, so is that what we want here like what would that look like? What I would suggest for the Republicans and conservatives is to think about innovation for the safety net.
GUTFELD: Yes.
PERINO: So for example--
GUTFELD: Yes, yes.
PERINO: - let's just take a free college, okay? So well, maybe it's not exactly free but are there ways to use technology and innovation and I'd it.
GUTFELD: Online universities, same with online medicine or AI medicine.
PERINO: And one more example also would be like you were talking about criminal justice reform. If all these people that are in jail if they're going to get out and they don't have any skills, you want to know why because we forbid computers and we forbid wifi but is there a way - is there an innovative way to deal with that so that they could actually have access to education.
So that when they get out they have skills that they could use to get a job. I mean, there are there are other ways to think about improving the social safety net rather than becoming a socialist.
GUTFELD: Yes, you know the Swedish currency is Swedish fish.
PERINO: I love Swedish fish.
GUTFELD: Yes, that's--
WATTERS: It's meatballs.
GUTFELD: Yes, it's meatballs too, if you go to Ikea, you pay in meatballs. I don't know what I'm saying at this point. A new Chick-fill-A campus controversy that's eating up, get it because it's chicken, details ahead.
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BILA: Welcome back. A college dean resigning over her school's Chick-fill-A ban. The dean calling Rider universities public opposition to the fast food chain a "punched in the stomach" and adding that it clashes with her Christian values.
Administrators causing a controversy when they blocked Chick-fill-A despite students saying they wanted it. All right, what struck me about this Greg was that she - the university gave out talking points and essentially said, listen we're not going to have Chick-fill-A, this is what we want you to say and that was the point at which she said, I'm just not going to do this.
I have to object and she resigned as dean. This is a very brave move to me for someone working at a university.
GUTFELD: It's amazing that people resigning over chicken. But you know, this is more proof than we know this. Wherever politics seeps into, it poisons it, whether it's sports, entertainment and now it's food because it creates two sides where there should only be one side which is enjoyment.
So like if you're watching football, you should just enjoy it but instead you got two sides about the flag and then if there's any you know if you want to be a comedian, you can't be because you're so woke now, you can't make jokes about certain things because you have to prove your woke and then you can't eat that chicken because of the religious beliefs.
BILA: Where ever you allow politics to wander in, it just takes a big crap on all the fun. I thought about that because I was thinking most kids on a college campus, they're not thinking about the political ideologies of the people.
PERINO: They are now.
BILA: You think so?
PERINO: Yes.
BILA: I think a lot of them--
PERINO: I think it's become fashionable.
BILA: Well, I mean, maybe for some but I think a lot of people reading this story, a lot of kids in college campus, they just want to eat the chicken in peace like they're not thinking all the time as plug in the administrators. Yes, but I don't know if the students think about it every minute of every day so much as the administrators who want to push a certain agenda and want that school's agenda to be cohesive.
WILLIAMS: Well, I think if you were a school administrator, your primary worry would be that you bring Chick-fill-A on campus and then all of a sudden all these demonstrations and efforts to show that Chick-fill-A is not open to gay people or not supported by people who aren't religious or trying to impose or indoctrinate with their values and then you of course, the people who run Chick-fill-A say that's not the case, that in fact that they're selling chicken and they're simply people who have religious beliefs.
That's why they close their store and forego profits on Sunday but I think that that would drive me if I was a college administrator to have some concern about it so now we're going to become the platform for demonstrations against Chick-fill-A. We just wanted the kids to have some you know, food.
BILA: See but if you do that then I think you're acting out of fear and then you're acting based on what this might trigger this person or this might upset this person and then you wind up, Jesse, with this concept that everyone at that school should feel the same.
You know, this is what's safe, this won't upset anyone, it's supposed to be a university. This is supposed to be where diversely of thought goes to thrive.
WATTERS: I don't understand what boycotts because I'm too self-centered. I don't. Like if Pelosi had wine from the vineyard, I'm guzzling the wine down. I wear Nike's because I like how they look on me.
BILA: Yes.
WATTERS: If Peter Strzok owned a steak house and I was hungry, I would go right into that steak house. I would get a deep state steak, medium rare. I might stiff him on a tip but nothing would stop me from fulfilling my immediate appetite politically you know, barring a few things but not many.
I know gay people love Chick-fill-A. I think there's probably more straight college students that are protesting Chick-fill-A than there are gay students.
BILA: Right.
WATTERS: Just because they want to be seen as sympathetic to the cause and they have every right to do that but it's not hurting Chick-fill-A's bottom line, Chick-fill-A's taking over. You should see the line outside, there's no line for McDonald's like that.
BILA: You know, I always get asked. One of the questions I get asked most is by college students who are conservative, who see stuff like that and feel like their values are always pushed into a minority, like this woman felt like her Christianity was being attacked.
Like somehow Chick-fill-A which represented her ideology was somehow synonymous with something bad and they don't know what to do, those college students that are in the minority don't know what to do, they always say what do I do? And I don't have good advice for them because it's hard and there is a fear that they will be punished or ostracized.
Is there anything anyway to advise them in a good way?
GUTFELD: Tell them to me.
BILA: Yes.
PERINO: Well, I think--
BILA: I'll tell them to call Dana.
PERINO: One of the things that you can do when you're going to have your courage of your convictions what this Dean did and she decided to resign.
GUTFELD: She didn't play chicken.
PERINO: Exactly. The other thing I was saying, what Greg was saying is that if you're a conservative and this is like a problem for you, one thing that you can do--
WATTERS: You know, this kid jumping--
PERINO: - is try to exercise politics from it like actually practice that and you'll have a happier life.
GUTFELD: Can I add to what Juan was saying is the demonstrations only work on one side you know, like if - if - if - I don't think there's any campus or company that worries about Christians demonstrating like we're going to pick it because we didn't like what ABC had on their night time - their night time programming.
People in the board rooms will be like, who cares about the Christians but if you got an environmental group or you have a gay rights group, those demonstrations are effective and they scare the hell out of people even if it's a small group, it feels so large and cowardly companies corporations, they often will fold rather than deal with it.
WATTERS: Well, because there used to be actual physical people to pick sides and now it's someone on Twitter.
GUTFELD: Yes, it's a little barrier of entry.
BILA: I think she's brave, I think it's pretty bold to put that out there and man, on a college campus. I'm sure she's going to take her fair share of heat. All right, Wildcard Wednesday is coming up next.
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PERINO: All right, it's Wildcard Wednesday. I mean, this little thing, we've got a full 5 minutes.
GUTFELD: Yay, five minutes today.
PERINO: Number 1, Twitter users reveal what their mothers' 2020 campaign slogans would be. One Twitter user asks the question of what your mom's slogan would be and reactions were all over the place from a warm. I'm not mad just disappointed. Vote for me, don't make me ask you again.
WATTERS: This one's me.
PERINO: Oh.
WATTERS: Yes, and I think my mom's slogan because I text her what it would be, it was, let us pray is her slogan.
GUTFELD: P. R. E. Y., that's a liberal preying upon our government.
WATTERS: That's true.
PERINO: I think my mom's would be 2020, you can count on me. Maybe, it doesn't rhyme but it's a nice.
GUTFELD: My mom would be, 2020 pour me a vodka but she's dead but she would say that.
PERINO: Anybody else got one from their mom.
BILA: I don't know. It would be very blunt like, don't be an idiot, vote for me. It will be very blunt and very simple and very direct.
PERINO: Juan.
WILLIAMS: Vamos.
PERINO: All right, here's a another one. Sunken drop by from memory, others definitely can but Greg, this is yours, right?
GUTFELD: Yes.
PERINO: So over the course of six - do you want to talk--
GUTFELD: No - no - no - no, read it, read it, it's your thing.
PERINO: Over the course of six years, Italian artist Gemini discovered most people cannot draw a bicycle from memory. Only 25 percent could so we have things here, okay? So now we're supposed to draw--
GUTFELD: Okay no, here's the interesting thing, there's amazing pictures, nobody can draw a bike, nobody.
BILA: I can't.
PERINO: Okay so we're drawing bikes here. And we got to keep talking though because people--
GUTFELD: Okay, all right there, I'm done, that's me.
PERINO: Oh man, I don't remember.
GUTFELD: That'll take a bike. Come on people with the cameras. Where did you go, that's a bike. You look like a - that's looks like a picnic table Jedidiah.
PERINO: Let's be good.
GUTFELD: What is going on there?
PERINO: Well that's a seat and somebody's sitting on it.
BILA: Well, I could tell that.
PERINO: Let me see yours.
WATTERS: I wrote something else.
GUTFELD: I'm sorry Robin. Come on people.
PERINO: Another one let me go no. Blow back after Kylie Jenner named youngest self-made billionaire. I thought we already did this story because she became a billionaire.
And there was blow back because of the so called ‘self-made' and now she's actually the youngest self-made billionaire.
GUTFELD: She's amazing. She's amazing.
PERINO: Do you have a problem with self-made?
BILA: I picked that one. The self-made bothers me a little bit just because she's not - she's talented, she is successful, she's a hard worker but she's not self-made.
GUTFELD: Why not?
BILA: She came into this because she came into this - let's be realistic, she came to this world with a big name, with a lot of money, that's not self-made. If she wasn't on the Kardashians, I don't know if she would have launched a career like this but it wouldn't - it wouldn't have--
GUTFELD: People argue the sex scandal from her sister is what created this entire thing but so what?
PERINO: Was that not self-made?
GUTFELD: Yes, that was a self-made tape.
WILLIAMS: No, no, no, but here's the self-made argument. Her mother, her mother is the genius.
GUTFELD: Yes.
WILLIAMS: Her mother is the one who's pushed all the girls into very successful lives, it's the mom.
GUTFELD: I love them all.
BILA: I like her stuff but she's not self-made.
PERINO: I got to check out her make up. All right, a new study finds that snacks sale surge in states where recreational marijuana becomes legal.
This is mine, okay. This is news, 10-years worth because it's a chance for me to bring props. A study in Colorado, Washington and Oregon studied retail habits, seen a 5.3 increase - 5.3 percent increase in sales for potato chips, followed by cookies 4.1 percent and ice cream 3.1 percent.
GUTFELD: Why are you doing this.
PERINO: Now, I brought them here for you because I thought it will be fun.
GUTFELD: You can't even see him.
PERINO: When I said I wanted to do a story and I said I wanted props, they though I wanted weed.
GUTFELD: Oh.
GUTFELD: No, that's a code word when you text me. Do you have any props? And I got to go drive uptown and drop off a bag.
WILLIAMS: What flavor is it?
GUTFELD: Cookies and cream.
WATTERS: Cookies and cream.
BILA: Oh, not bad.
PERINO: Okay, here's one last one. Instagram couple facing backlash after dangerous photo shoot outside a moving train.
BILA: What?
PERINO: Who's is this?
WILLIAMS: That's mine so this couple, Dana is from Portugal and they're on a train in Sri Lanka and as you can see she's got one hand on the train and then holding on to him and he's taking the picture. They said, oh, it's a slow moving train but instead people are who have seen this and by the way, there are like 40,000 likes for this incredibly.
People are saying this is an insanely stupid stunt, you risk your life for a picture.
WATTERS: You know what they say, that's called dying for the Gram.
PERINO: Also have you ever--
GUTFELD: I've died for the Gram.
PERINO: I thought it was a prop.
WATTERS: For the Instagram.
GUTFELD: You know, they have to come up with a statistical Instagram death rate to find it has had any impact anywhere on the death rate under a certain age groups. I bet it has.
BILA: It's also destroyed. Remember those people that were falling into Art, it's destroyed so much property.
PERINO: Yes, also there's Photoshop like why don't you just do that, it's much safer.
WATTERS: I bet Instagram's killed more people than global warming.
GUTFELD: Interesting. I think you may be right.
PERINO: All right, One More Thing, up next.
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WILLIAMS: Time now for One More Thing. Dana.
PERINO: So right after we went to air, there was some major news made about a television icon, someone we all love and know.
Alex Trebek has announced that - of course you know him as a long time host of Jeopardy. He announced today that he has been diagnosed with Stage 4 pancreatic cancer.
He wrote in a statement, normally the prognosis for this is not very encouraging but I'm going to fight this and I'm going to keep working. I plan to beat the low survival rate statistics for this disease because under the terms of my contract, I have to host Jeopardy for three more years.
So help me, keep the faith and we'll win, we'll get it done, thank you and boy, I've watched him forever. I love watching him. We even DVR. Jeopardy and we will continue to of course so we certainly wish you the best and we're going to pray for you as well.
WILLIAMS: Yes, big prayers for Alex. What do you do if you're a kid and it's cold and rainy outside?
Well, you could always play dress up like a police firemen or hang your head off the side of a chair so the blood rushes all the way down your nose there or if your parents let you play monster by sticking plastic eyeballs on your face, you make a video.
Take a look at my grand-kids having a little fun. That's my grandson Eli on the left as a zombie and the girls are putting on a twin monster show of their own on the right side.
PERINO: In slow mo, I love that.
WILLIAMS: So these kids aren't even teenagers and are ready, they're my little monsters, get the joke?
All right, Gregory.
GUTFELD: Oh, you've got to go to Foxnewspodcasts.com. As mentioned yesterday, my guest today is Jane Broberg. She was a star or I wouldn't say star of the Netflix documentary, "Abducted in Plain sight." She was the young girl who was kidnapped twice and I think at age 12 and 14 by a trusted family friend.
We talked for quite a while, it's a powerful insights on what it's like to be manipulated by a predator. Now, it is time for ‘Animals Are Great.' What a transition! Yes. Transition, okay great, okay, where am I?
All right, let's go this cat that's on a couch with an owl. I don't know how this started but it's the owl and the Pussycat, just thought of that but you know what. The owl's like basically saying, "get off my couch." That's cat's like, "can't we share?"
And then the owl realizing he's got something up his sleeve which can scare the crap - look at that - there you go. Get off my couch. Owls are like little furry people.
Jesse?
WILLIAMS: Yes, Jesse's great.
WATTERS: Hey you calling me an animal, Juan? All right, so two types of people in this world, people that are scared of gators and people that scare gators, check out this footage.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cody Gribble at 6. Well, you know what. Smylie--
WATTERS: Yes, so look at Smylie Kaufman jump there. That was at the 2017 Arnold Palmer Invitational. I don't know if I'd be that brave to do that and check out the 2019 Arnold Palmer Invitational presented by MasterCard this weekend. Hopefully there'll be no gators down there.
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WILLIAMS: Wow.
WATTERS: Also Martha MacCallum and I will be on a 7:00. She'll be on a lot longer than I will. I'll be there for about five minutes.
WILLIAMS: Jedediah.
BILA: Do you know, there's never a shortage of gator stories? What an alligator? I know.
GUTFELD: It was a mastergator.
BILA: All right, well, listen. If you ever lose faith in people, I'm going to introduce you to an amazing high school student Tanner Wilson, a student in Arkansas saved his money for over two years to buy his friend Brandon Qualls, a new electric wheelchair.
Brandon was having a hard time using his manual wheelchair around school so his friend, Tanner decided to save up his money, save up his cash for two years to make that happen and when he was asked what inspired him to buy it, Tanner simply said, I feel like life's a little bit too short to be judging everybody and you should think more of others than just yourself.
It's amazing how you can have a kid like this out there, so much more, so giving, so whenever you lose faith in humanity, know kids like this out there exists.
PERINO: And I love it because it was a surprise. It was a surprise.
BILA: Yes, he had no idea. And Brandon responded every single day he helps anybody he's an amazing friend so just a nice story out there. People are always saying, oh these brats these days, not everybody's a brat. You have some really great kids.
GUTFELD: Oh, most of them are.
PERINO: Yes.
WILLIAMS: I just think it's a wonderful story of friendship --
BILA: It is. It is, absolutely.
WILLIAMS: -- you know. That's a great --
BILA: We need more of that in this world.
GUTFELD: Do we?
BILA: Crazy news -- yes, we do.
GUTFELD: I know we do.
BILA: Yes, we do.
GUTFELD: I know we do. I'm just being a jerk.
WILLIAMS: All right. All right. Set your DVRs. Never miss an episode of “The Five”.
"Special Report" up next. Stay with us. Hey, Bret.
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