Hillary Clinton's trust issues

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," May 20, 2015. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Greg Gutfeld along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Juan Williams, Eric Bolling and she oars with a Q-tip, Dana Perino -- "The Five."

Accusing a politician of being politically expedient is like accusing water of being wet or circles for being round. They just can't help it. Even Hillary agrees.

I'm hypnotized or she's hypnotized. But it's this belief that politician can't be trusted that actually helps Hillary. As each new thing erupts, her campaign becomes a game of endurance called, "so what?" She's the Loch Ness monster of candidates: Her head pops up from the waves just enough for her to emit a string of sounds, then back to the depths where she returns. This turns are critics at the old saws, we keep repeating the same thing until we're all sick of hearing it. Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, say it three times and mockery, not Beetlejuice -- appears.

Three years ago, the Defense Intelligence Agency found out that within 24 hours of that attack, we knew -- the White House knew -- it was planned at least a week in advance. Still, the president and Hillary blamed a video, even promising a victim's parent that they would nail the filmmaker.


HILLARY CLINTON: We've seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful Internet video that we had nothing to do with.

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Crude and disgusting video sparked outrage throughout the Muslim world.

To you, their families and colleagues, their sacrifice will never be forgotten. We will bring to justice those who took them from us.


GUTFELD: So why say this? Because it's politically expedient. They pushed the video to cover their butts. It's scandalous news, but it's old news. We've reported it before and before and before. It's weird how the repetition of facts actually helps the guilty as the fact tellers get mocked.


STEPHEN COLBERT, THE COLBERT REPORT SHOW HOST: Since last September, Fox News has been pursuing this story doggedly, to uncover how the administration blew it, when they blew it, why they blew it and how they will continue to have blown it.


COLBERT: And, most importantly, how is this car still burning?



COLBERT: I mean it's been eight months.


GUTFELD: Ah, death is funny.

Which brings us to the present challenge: It's really not Hillary, it's our culture. The long-term mission for a conservative is to win the culture back from the left, because no matter what you say about Benghazi or the police or the economy, your intent is going to be smeared, just like that.

So candidates, lock yourself in a room and don't come out until you learn how to express your beliefs Persuasively. So why -- because while it's OK and satisfying to nail Hillary for her lies, it helps to hammer out some truth of your own.

So K.G., cynicism actually benefits Hillary because we have no expectation for honesty, she's your gal.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Yeah, but it just really bothers me. Why, why don't people care about this more? Is it more important to make sure that you have another Clinton or a woman in the White House than it is to have somebody who is a morally sound character and judgment? That's -- don't ethics matter?


GUILFOYLE: Don't the choices and the words that we use matter?

GUTFELD: No, when it really matters.

GUILFOYLE: I guess, I guess it's just about the winning, but it's sad because to me, this is, this is her controversy. This is her crisis. She sits square right in the middle of it and she knew that this was something that was specifically planned with a lot of thought into it and they still went ahead and lied over and over again and had people go out on their behalf and lied like Susan Rice.

GUTFELD: Juan, you seemed mythed (ph).

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Well, I just don't think she lied, and you know I mean, I think the fact is the video was definitely link to - -

GUTFELD: Hillary --

WILLIAMS: Disturbances. All over --

GUILFOYLE: OK. You know that's been (inaudible) --

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Oh my, gosh. That's not true.

GUILFOYLE: They totally have denied.

WILLIAMS: I think it is true. You go to Tunisia, you go to Egypt, everybody said --

GUTFELD: Benghazi.

WILLIAMS: The question is about Libya --


WILLIAMS: And Benghazi, right?

GUTFELD: Uh-huh.



WILLIAMS: So then you have to isolate it and then what we've learned from this new stuff that came out just yesterday is that the administration had documents. We don't know if the documents were read to the president, to Rice, the security adviser. But there were --

PERINO: Oh my, God.


WILLIAMS: There were submissions that this thing was set up in advance. So the question then becomes, should they have relied on that as opposed to what Mike Morell, whose new book is out and as everybody said was bad intelligence, bad analysis by the intelligence officials at the CIA and elsewhere, who said this is what we understand to be the cause of the attacks.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God. I just have to sprinkle myself with some holy water right now because like this is --

GUTFELD: Or vodka.


WILLIAMS: You know --

GUILFOYLE: Insane lies the lies and nonsense that I'm hearing.

WILLIAMS: Oh my, God. I know the fact --

GUILFOYLE: But you know better than this. It had nothing to do with the video. It was a free plan --

WILLIAMS: You are talking about Benghazi.

GUILFOYLE: Listen to me. It was a preplanned attack, right?


GUILFOYLE: So why would they go ahead and perpetrate this? --

WILLIAMS: Because it was a much larger scope --

GUILFOYLE: It had nothing to do --

WILLIAMS: To all the disruption in the Middle East.

GUILFOYLE: It had nothing to do with the video.


GUILFOYLE: That guy was the fall guy --

WILLIAMS: That's not true.

GUILFOYLE: He was a (inaudible) for the administration.

WILLIAMS: All right. OK.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: So can I weigh in on?


BOLLING: On your monologue. You were talking about politically expedient use or -- why the politicians would say certain things. A couple of quick examples pardon my reading, Hillary as candidate in 2008, "Clinton, I will direct my administration to prevent needless classification of information that ought to be shared with the public. We will adopt the presumption of openness on -- Freedom of Information Act requests and urge agencies to release information quickly if disclosure will do no harm." Yesterday, Clinton said, she wants her e-mails read as expediently as possible -- again, more politically expedient rhetoric, but The Wall Street Journal today, reported that "When Hillary Clinton was secretary of state, her staff, scrutinized politically sensitive documents requested under FOIA and sometimes just blocked their release, her chief of staff show e-mails on two separate occasions. One with the XL pipeline, Keystone XL and ones with Bill Clinton's speaking engagements, they held documents back." So, politically expedient, has if -- she's so far from the truth, she will tell you exactly what she wants to tell you right now and it doesn't matter if a year down the road, six months down the road, 10 years down the road, she will tell you the exact opposite saying, I said -- I told this, we have documents, I just don't understand why they -- she has the willingness to do that.

GUTFELD: Well, to her excuse, Dana, I'm gonna play you some sound on tape from Ron Fournier. I believe that's his name.


GUTFELD: You familiar with him?

PERINO: I know Ron.

GUTFELD: Oh, OK. This is his reaction to the Clinton e-mail scandal and her defense.

GUILFOYLE: It's amazing.



RON FOURNIER, SENIOR POLITICAL COLUMNIST OF THE NATIONAL JOURNAL: I literally spit my coffee on my laptop, as (inaudible) it's just, -- it's inconceivable, it's laughable. She, she treated them like they were her own e-mails. She kept them in her basement in a server that violated the White House policy and then only handed over the ones to her state department that she wanted us to see. She cherry picked them.


GUTFELD: Dana, before you comment on it, just want to point at that people have to stop using, literally incorrectly.

PERINO: It's literally.

GUTFELD: Well he meant --


GUTFELD: Not literally. He didn't actually spit, but he said literally.


GUTFELD: That angers me.

PERINO: Well, I'm sure --


GUTFELD: Nobody ever literally spits.

PERINO: No, he might have.

GUTFELD: Well then he should see a doctor.


WILLIAMS: Yeah. His computer just got screwed up.


PERINO: I -- he's not the only one. OK? But the Democrats have no alternative. So yesterday when you see -- I think you might have this later, looking for a sound on tape, but the -- people -- Democrats in Iowa, like how many -- what are her accomplishments?


PERINO: Like, I don't know. But they also, they don't care.

GUTFELD: Yeah. The fact --

PERINO: Can I say one thing about the Benghazi, please?

GUTFELD: Please do, Dana.

PERINO: So the -- the Defense Intelligence Agency -- let's just be very clear, who oversees all and coordinates all of those intelligent agencies and national security? That would be -- first the president of the United States, but the person that does it in Susan Rice, the national security adviser. So, I think it's incredible that almost two years later, we get information that says that the DIA, the intelligence agency, of which the National Security Council is supposed to gather all of the information, they know within 24 hours. So either they were totally ignored or it was politically expedient because then she goes out seven days later and says what she says, that was a lie. But also it says something about Hillary Clinton's instinct and Barack Obama. When -- when you're talking about the first amendment and free speech that is to be protected, right?


PERINO: So, when the left is clamoring over this NSA spying thing and they are like, we were for the fourth amendment? Like, are you for the first? And if you're for the first you have to ask them, are they for the first? They basically said that a video caused the violence which wasn't a lie, but also that allowed everybody in the Muslim world who propagates that type of lie to try against us using that language. Do you follow me?

GUTFELD: I follow you exactly. It's better to blame us than them.

PERINO: Of course.

GUTFELD: Because that's the background, the education that one has in a progressive life on campus is that America owes the culprit and in fact maybe freedom of speech is a bit overrated. Can I play some of that tape?


GUTFELD: Do we have time? That we're talking about the tape of this - a focus group on Hillary's accomplishments. Roll this.


MARK HALPERIN, BLOOMBERG POLITICS: What did she accomplish that you considered significant as secretary of state?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Secretary of state? I really can't name anything off the top of my head.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You want to give me a minute.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can I have to go some place of --

HALPERIN: OK. Cristina (ph) can you think of something that challenges secretary of state that impresses you think is important?



GUTFELD: K.G. is this why Hillary doesn't have to try?


GUTFELD: Because the people who are gonna vote for her, are gonna vote for her for one reason and one reason only and it's not competent.

GUILFOYLE: Well, this is what I'm saying. So I'm doing a massive campaign to writing Condoleezza Rice's name because then you will get someone of incredible character and morality and integrity, unbelievable experience that is respected internationally, that will be an outstanding president but I don't. I'm going to have to convince her and give me some time.

WILLIAMS: But let me say that. I think is now we're going to have 12 people or so in the states for the Republicans and their foreign policy credentials don't match up anywhere, for all you've stacked them all together to the sky, they would match up, they (inaudible) and I will say - -

GUILFOYLE: So you want vote to Condoleezza, too?

WILLIAMS: No, no. I'm just gonna tell you that if you ask that same audience, gee, what did Condoleezza Rice, Madelyn Albright, whatever, whoever accomplished. They would be like, we're not sure. But I mean, the fact is, we all know the picture --


WILLIAMS: Of -- what do you -- Bolling?


WILLIAMS: But I'm saying --


WILLIAMS: Let me finish my point. We all know the picture of Hillary Clinton there is in the national security room with everybody and the president when Bin Laden was killed.


WILLIAMS: She was part of that decision. We all know about her backing the ouster of Gaddafi.

GUTFELD: She thought their watching Scandal.

WILLIAMS: Right. I know --



GUTFELD: She said what am I doing here?


GUILFOYLE: I love that show.

WILLIAMS: And, and you know --

PERINO: Self portrait (ph).

WILLIAMS: And I would think that conservatives with -- hey, there was a Hillary Clinton who -- you know pushed back against people said, don't put any additional troops in Afghanistan, she did, she did this. So, you know that's were people who are insiders. I don't actually (ph) experience that outside because they don't know.

BOLLING: The real - you know, meat of the story is that focus group couldn't come up with accomplishments. Yet, they were still very supportive of Hillary.


WILLIAMS: That's a fact.

PERINO: That is my point.

BOLLING: And that is it --

PERINO: That's why it doesn't matter.

BOLLING: Big, big issue.

GUTFELD: Yeah, it that --

BOLLING: All right.

GUTFELD: That thing matters. The truth doesn't matter. I'm going to cry --


GUTFELD: And take a break.

All right, coming up, as his mid-east strategy implodes, and terror spreads, President Obama delivers yet another urgent warning about statement about -- you guess it, climate change.


GUILFOYLE: As the strategy in the Middle East crumbles, President Obama uses the commencement address at the U.S. Coast Guard Academy to push for urgent action to combat climate change. Arguing global warming is quote, "An immediate risk to the national security of the Unites State."


OBAMA: I'm here today to say that climate change constitutes a serious threat to global security. An immediate risk to our national security, and make no mistake it will impact how our military defends our country. Severe drought helped to create the instability in Nigeria that was exploited by the terrorist group Boko Haram. It's now believed that drought and crop failures and high food prices helped fuel the early unrest in Syria. So increasingly our military, and our combating commandments, our services, including the coast guard, will need to factor climate change in to plans and operations because you need to be ready.


GUILFOYLE: Well does the president have his priority straight? That is the question. You have 15 papers in front of you that say no.


GUTFELD: I am late because -- what he does? It's a very clever move he says fuels, which is ironic because he's coming out against our fields (ph). He doesn't say causes, he says, fuels because he's being dishonest. He's saying that our practices, our use of fossil fuels, our evil insensitively towards the planet is causing women to be raped. Causing women to be raped, Boko Haram are raping hundreds of women and it's our fault, it's not their fault.

GUILFOYLE: And children.

GUTFELD: There's no sense of objective morality coming from this man. It's disgusting, to me, that he would even make this link. How can he -- is he imparity? Is this some kind of automaton robot? I don't know. Is Bill Nye and President Obama the same person? Did they both operate from an arrogant sense of undeserved self-righteousness? They -- you know what? They hate coal because it's black. They are racist.


GUTFELD: And they love those windmills because they are white. There you go. That's the logic.

GUILFOYLE: All right, well --


GUILFOYLE: That part is written down. That was a keeper.


GUILFOYLE: Let me tell you something buddy, archive that --


GUILFOYLE: For legal.


GUILFOYLE: OK. Dana, did you write that for him?

PERINO: No, I did not, but I -- I agree with it. So here's the coast guard, he works for four years --


PERINO: In order to get this moment to be inspired by your (inaudible), now there will be -- these some people at the department of defense who will say, yes, long term we do think that this global warming will be our climate change, will be the biggest national security challenge. But this is why we have these medieval, evil (inaudible) basically, rampaging through the Middle East. Raping women --

GUILFOYLE: Children.

PERINO: Beheading people --

GUILFOYLE: Please just children.

PERINO: Selling children into slavery. This is actually probably a little bit more of an important and urgent matter for all of us. In addition, the other reason I think that the administration is pushing us on a national security level is that's because it becomes a panacea to protect them from any blame about the spread of terrorism on their watch. If they can say, well, it's global warming that's causing the North Korean dictator -- this John Kerry. So the North Korean dictator, OK, that global warming is causing him to have decisions to murder his defense chief because he forgot to fire a missile at a parade, that that's a global warming problem, that Boko Haram -- you take fossil fuels --


PERINO: Out of Nigeria, the first thing you'll see is more poverty and then you'll get more Boko Haram more raves (ph) and the rest. So I think he absolutely missed the mark and I --

GUILFOYLE: OK, it's Greg.

GUTFELD: The poor graduate --


GUTFELD: Having to sit through that.


PERINO: But they might agree.

GUILFOYLE: This is to make any sense. What happened here? --

GUTFELD: I don't --

GUILFOYLE: What is he talking about? Is he's suffering from --

BOLLING: If, if you can tie --

GUILFOYLE: Like global warming of the brain.

BOLLING: If you can tie Boko Haram and therefore, the rapes of all those innocent women and children to global warming, you can basically, as Dana points out, tie everything to global warming. There's nothing under - literally, under the sun that you can't blame on global warming that makes it not (inaudible) fault.

GUILFOYLE: Not intentional.

BOLLING: No, intended, clearly.


BOLLING: Meanwhile, let's talk about what really -- the White House today says there is ISIS strategy, and this is the real threat --


BOLLING: Going on. Their ISIS strategy is A-OK. They are not concerned about ISIS taking Ramadi or ISIS moving to the Anbar province. In fact, CBS reported today that the FBI went to a New Jersey -- Bergen County New Jersey High School and sat down with them because they are worried about an ISIS terror cell starting 15 miles west of here.

PERINO: Because of global warming?


BOLLING: No. Not because of global warming.

PERINO: Just kidding.

BOLLING: My point is --


BOLLING: Let's focus on what the real threats are. Global warming is not a threat. It's no t a real threat. It's not a credible threat. It's not an imminent threat --

GUILFOYLE: It's a problem and these are the people in charge.


GUILFOYLE: These are the people in charge, OK? They have no intention of focusing on things that are important that matter, that are of imminent concern, like moving ground in the Middle East, the fact that ISIS is in fact accelerating. That's what is happening right now in real time, but they are so confused and so obsessed with their political ideology. Juan, your crew -- that they are losing side of what is important.


GUILFOYLE: They are like --

WILLIAMS: Imagine that, they can see a little bit --


WILLIAMS: Above the horizon instead of this short-sided feast that we're having at this table, oh, oh, my gosh --

GUILFOYLE: No. This is like --

WILLIAMS: Josh Earnest --

GUILFOYLE: Panic attack.

WILLIAMS: And it folded (ph) a week. You guys act like your hair is on fire, every now -- oh the hair. The world --

GUTFELD: They did set a guy on fire, Juan. They set a guy on fire.

WILLIAMS: Let me just tell you something.

GUTFELD: And that wasn't from the sun.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, yeah, yeah that --

GUTFELD: That was lighter fluid in the cage.

WILLIAMS: And I think that was you. That was you, yeah.


WILLIAMS: We are having a great moment right here. This is Greg's hair on fire --


WILLIAMS: Oh my, gosh...


GUTFELD: That's on fire in a cage.

WILLIAMS: They are coming to set you apart.

GUILFOYLE: Juan, Juan --

WILLIAMS: Hey, let me just tell you something --

GUILFOYLE: Time out, time out.

WILLIAMS: No. Let me tell you --

GUILFOYLE: Tell me about the pilot.

WILLIAMS: Well, no, let's talk for a second about --


WILLIAMS: Let's talk about the president's speech because I can't believe the reaction around this table.


WILLIAMS: Hang on. You're telling me food shortages. You're telling me that that's coastal flooding --

GUTFELD: Right. WILLIAMS: Is not going to have any impact on our military or (inaudible).

PERINO: No, I didn't do that.

WILLIAMS: Oh you -- or you even acknowledged, Dana.


WILLIAMS: You've acknowledged that the defense industry --


WILLIAMS: Has admitted that the global warming is going to have an effect on our military.

GUTFELD: Here's an interesting point. When it gets hot, we don't suddenly go rape people.

WILLIAMS: No. But that's -- Greg, what are you doing? Let's talk about sin for loss of a connection. That makes for good outrage but there's no reality.

BOLLING: What's more imminent, Juan? What's for imminent? ISIS - an ISIS threat, 15 miles away in our high schools or, I don't know, some occurrence that you point out may occur it happened, I don't know, a century in the future.

WILLIAMS: Century? He had a century --


WILLIAMS: We already have evidence --


WILLIAMS: Of global warming. I'm talking to you about food shortages --


WILLIAMS: About flooding. I'm talking about humanitarian crisis that our military, especially our coast guard has to get involved with. These are reality.

BOLLING: It's more imminent.

WILLIAMS: Nobody is saying --

GUTFELD: You think generally saying -- Juan.

WILLIAMS: Nobody is saying that wipes out the terrorist threat. Nobody is that, but you guys use it an opportunity to attack and say, oh, my, my hair is on fire.

GUTFELD: Here we're acting to what he said. Which he made sweeping generalizations about hypothetical models based on a slight increase in one degree Celsius that the families of the dead personally, probably, are even not interested in as they watched their children die.

WILLIAMS: I don't think so --

GUILFOYLE: Dana, you have to comment.

PERINO: I would say the final -- my final thing is that if you can blame this on global warming, which you have no solution for and put nothing forwards towards the Congress and you -- I have not tried to bring the world together on. You actually then don't have to deal with the real issue, which is good versus evil.


PERINO: And the United States is the good guys in this, in this fight against terrorism, when you keep that in mind.

BOLLING: I know we got to go -- GUILFOYLE: Sure, right. Bolling you have something about Bin Laden.

BOLLING: I have to talk about this very quickly. The Bin Laden letters that got released --



BOLLING: Today by the White House, by the way. One of the most interesting things I found, Brain Dolphin with the Sky News sent this to me and we're reading this, did you know Osama bin Laden was a climate change -- climate change --


BOLLING: Or just too concerned about the climate change as well? And promise though (ph) that things jihad everything else. He too, like President Obama was concerned about the climate -- amazing.


GUTFELD: Well, you know it's a lot of people.


WILLIAMS: Not at this table --

GUILFOYLE: All right.

WILLIAMS: But, yes, in general.


GUILFOYLE: We really have to go. We really have to go. When we come back, continue our celebration of the class of 2015 right here on The Five. Can I question, should you move back home after graduation and should your parents let you? We're gonna share some insight. But first, Megyn Kelly offers her advice to this year's graduates.


MEGYN KELLY, THE KELLY FILE SHOW HOST: Upon graduation, go out into the world and try to find yourself. What do I mean by that? Read Socrates, no. Get a job? Not yet. Go out and do some crazy stuff. Don't hurt anybody including yourself, but take some risks. Travel a little bit. Make big mistakes that you have to apologize for. Do stuff that will make you relatable to the world. And whatever jobs you settle into, you will be better at it, for it. Good luck.



SEAN HANNITY, HANNITY SHOW HOST: All right, here's my career advice. When I started in radio, I worked for free. I live at the radio station. Then I worked for very little money. I travel the states. I've never even been to -- in other words, no obstacles. Whatever you dream is you find a way to get there, even if you're not paid a lot. Do it for the love of what you do. That's my advice.


PERINO: All right. That was our friend Sean Hannity, advising the class of 2015 to travel, work hard and dream big. So that's a good advice considering a new studies saying college grads and their parents appear to be reluctant to cut financial ties. According to Sallie Mae, about half of the students are expected to be supported by their parents for up to two years after college graduation. While only 5 percent of parents, say they would not let their children move back with him after graduating. OK, so for full disclosure, after college and graduate school.


PERINO: I lived at home for 2 1/2 months each time. I waited tables at Govnr's Park Tavern in Denver and then I moved on. So, I did -- some time I didn't go home at all. I wonder, Kimberly, do you think that parents, especially generation x, kind of want their children to move home?

GUILFOYLE: I would -- my gosh --


GUILFOYLE: I'm already thinking about this. Yeah, Ronan is never leaving. He already told me. He's like, nope. I'm just going to go down the street, go to school, here at NYU, then I want to come back home after and then I'm going to bring my wife and we're going to leave here, too.


GUILFOYLE: I think -- what -- when does this end? When does it end? But you know when you're not your parent, you're not is gonna like, kick your kid out, right?

BOLLING: Wait until he's 16. You'll change your mind.

GUILFOYLE: I know. He's probably going to have a wife by 16.

PERINO: Financially, the government has suggested in a way -- student loans saddle children, students and their families with a lot of student debt, loan debt. They're coming out there. The job market is not very good, and they're looking for that perfect job where they can do good, and then it isn't working out.

Plus, the government has said you can be on your parents' health insurance until you're 25. And also, like, even cell phone plans now, the family cell-phone plans, people are -- parents are paying for cell-phone plans all the way up to age 30. So there's not -- financially, there's not a lot of reason as a kid to leave.

BOLLING: There's not, but there is that tough love thing, which K.G., maybe that's the way to go. You want him to go out there and make his way in the world.

Sean Hannity pointed -- suggestion is to work for free, which makes it even more likely you're going to have to live at home while you're working for free.

GUILFOYLE: Or get a second job.

BOLLING: Or getting a second job to do it.


BOLLING: Look, I'm in the camp that says, hopefully, you've instilled enough values that your son or daughter tries, works hard, goes out and tries to get a job. And if they don't, I mean, that's for me. That's...

GUILFOYLE: Eric Chase is going to get a job.

PERINO: Did your children come home after college, Juan?

WILLIAMS: Only the last one, Raffi. Of course, you know, he was working in politics.

But all of them, it seems to me -- you know, one of the realities, I've noticed in the statistics a huge jump since 2001 and since the recession in kids moving back home and living at home. So I think that's part of reality.

GUILFOYLE: Look how great your kids are doing. My goodness.

WILLIAMS: I know. But let me just tell you something. They never, ever leave you. I mean, you're always going to be -- let me tell you, Ronan and you, he's always -- sons love moms forevermore. There's not -- there's no stopping.


PERINO: Are you sure?

WILLIAMS: I'm pretty sure.

PERINO: Even if they get married?

WILLIAMS: Oh, yes. Let me tell you, moms rule the roost. And over daughter-in-laws, I'll tell you that.

PERINO: Yes. Greg, you went home after college, right?

GUTFELD: That is true. I did.

PERINO: You had an interesting job?

GUTFELD: I did. I did it for a year. And I actually -- I believe that -- I think it's a great thing to let your kids move back home. It's free wisdom.

But not just parents. You should move in with your grandparents. You're going to learn more living with your grandparents than any college course. Treat it like a course: Grandparents 101, Parents 101. Learn how to pay bills. Ask your parents how to pay taxes. Find out how to fix stuff. Because I don't know how to fix anything. Maybe your daddy or granddad does. Do chores. You'll learn how guilt and shame will push you towards the achievement you so desire. I think that's very important.

You also have to learn how to sneak women back into your home when you're living with your mother, which I learned. It was hard.

PERINO: What woman wants to go home with a guy that lives with his mother?

GUTFELD: Quite impressive.

BOLLING: Apparently, it's much more acceptable.


GUILFOYLE: No, I think...


GUILFOYLE: I'm not for that. Uh-unh.

At least the sheets are clean. That's the thing.

GUTFELD: You can't stay longer than a year but...

GUILFOYLE: You can't stay longer than a year.

GUTFELD: You get to know your parents again, because you won't regret it. What do you think?


GUILFOYLE: If you have parents or grandparents.

PERINO: Well, about -- according to that study I mentioned from Sally Mae, about 65 percent of parents expect to support their children for up to five years. So if you graduate at 22, you're in your late 20s before you have to pay rent by yourself?

BOLLING: You know what's a good idea? Allow them to move back, charge them a rent, and then give it back to them if you want to after they move out.

PERINO: At the end?


PERINO: Like a little escrow account.

BOLLING: A little savings account.

PERINO: One of the things I recommend in my book is to move to places like North Dakota. If you are a young person now and you ever thought -- you don't have to work in the energy business if you move there, but you could -- if want to be a teacher, they are paying well. If you want to open a restaurant. If you have a dream, you could go someplace that's like the wild west.

GUTFELD: You know what? You should move in with other people's parents.

GUILFOYLE: Great idea. Thank you, Greg.

GUTFELD: Do child share. You go where you -- you switch off.

WILLIAMS: All right. So here's the other end of this amazing story. Which is empty nesters, because my wife and I, Delice and I, are empty nesters. And I've got to tell you, you know what? You're right.

GUILFOYLE: How is that going?

WILLIAMS: You miss -- you miss them. Imagine if Ronan's not there, right? So there are lots of parents...

GUILFOYLE: Do you have naked dance parties?

WILLIAMS: Well, I can't admit to that. So I mean, but you know -- you do think, gee -- and then you find yourself in your dad or mom's position where you think, "How come they haven't called? How come they haven't come to visit?" Right?

And when they're living there, now my oldest one, Tony, he didn't do the laundry. I mean, Greg, you would have eaten him alive.


WILLIAMS: Because I mean, they don't do the laundry. They leave stuff all over the kitchen. You think, what is going on?

PERINO: Poor Tony, he kind of gets the short stick over here.

WILLIAMS: No, I think Tony, Mr. Corporate Executive, is doing fine. But I'm just saying what a block. What a block.

PERINO: All right. We've got to go.

BOLLING: He's going to love you.

PERINO: All right. Up next, the average lawmaker in Congress makes more than three times the average median household, but that has not stopped one congressman for asking for a raise. Details on that when we come back.


BOLLING: So how much money do you make in a year? Before you answer that, could you live on 174,000 bucks a year? What if we threw in a million- dollar expense account for everything from car leases to bottled water? How about free health care, free parking, free gym memberships? Sound good? Now what if I told you that's what our Congressmen and -women get? And apparently, that's just not enough. Listen to Democrat Congressman Alcee Hastings, asking us taxpayers for a raise.


REP. ALCEE HASTINGS (D), FLORIDA: I almost don't like to talk about it, but it's kind of a sad state of affairs that we're entering the seventh year of Congress not receiving a raise.

Members deserve to be paid, staff deserves to be paid, and the cost of living here is causing serious problems for people who are not wealthy to be able to serve in this institution.


BOLLING: All right. By the way, if you add the salary and benefits and divide by the mere 132 days a year that the House is actually in session, these clowns make over $200 per hour -- K.G.

GUILFOYLE: I mean, that's better than modeling money. Yes. I'm all in.

GUTFELD: Not my modeling.

GUILFOYLE: You do it for free. You pay people.

BOLLING: Does anyone think -- I mean, does anyone think they should be getting a cost of living raise?


BOLLING: You do?


GUILFOYLE: Not while Americans are starving.

GUTFELD: I -- I don't believe they should get raises. I believe that they should get bonuses, because right now, you have these lifetime politicians that are living in these pockets of misery. But if you treat it like a pro athlete or a CEO, if they were compensated for their performance -- let's say if their crime went down and new businesses went up, why not give them a bonus? But don't increase the salary, because a salary is not an incentive. But bonuses are incentives.

BOLLING: So merit bonuses, merit pay increases. What about term limits? By the way, wasn't this whole Congress and Senate thing supposed to be people who are interested in making the country better, not as career politicians?

PERINO: Well, I think, certainly, in history, if you look back, a lot of people would go through their careers, build a business, or be a doctor, lawyer, and then they would go and do public service later on in their careers. That's actually not happening now. People are starting out their careers running for office.

I can understand why he's bringing it up. I understand that the House, however, rejected it. I don't expect the Senate to bring it up.

I think that there would be some reason to look at the staff. Now, I'm a little irritated about the healthcare thing, and I'm irritated about them being able to skirt the rules, unlike the rest of America. That's not great.

But I think that, in order to retain good staff on Capitol Hill, it is worth considering a cost of living adjustment for them.

GUILFOYLE: So like how much?

PERINO: For staff, whatever the cost -- whatever the cost of living adjustment is.

GUTFELD: We do that in...

PERINO: Remember Lois Lerner. She got a you-know-what load of bonuses.

WILLIAMS: No. You meant politicians, right?

GUTFELD: Yes. You're right.

WILLIAMS: Yes, yes, yes, yes.

GUTFELD: I stand corrected.

WILLIAMS: But I mean, the argument -- the argument from Steny Hoyer -- I mean, Alcee Hastings is such an odd character to raise this, because I mean this is a guy who has been impeached. This is a guy who ...

BOLLING: Owes seven and a half million.


PERINO: He's the safest one to bring it up.

WILLIAMS: ... in legal -- in legal fees, right?

And not only that, remember that Alcee Hastings is a guy that, you know, the charge was that he was taking bribe money. I mean, so it's very strange. And then he says he has to move from an apartment that costs him 3,000 to one that now costs him 2,000. It's not exactly heartfelt, like oh, he's giving it (ph) to Congress.

GUILFOYLE: But it's just -- it doesn't sound good when you have so many Americans struggling to find a job.

WILLIAMS: That's what I said.

GUILFOYLE: And support their kids or put gas in their car and the rising cost of food prices.

WILLIAMS: Yes. So here's...

GUILFOYLE: It's a tough sell. Good luck getting people to sign this.

WILLIAMS: No, nobody -- exactly, because it's politically taxing. You can't make the case, Kimberly. Exactly right.

But what I'm saying is, so you heard today, you know, Steny Hoyer, who's a Democrat from Maryland, part of the leadership says, "Well, we've stopped taking the cost-of-living increases" Dana was talking about "during the recession, right? But now why shouldn't we do it?" And so his answer is, "Oh, but you know, the way it's set up is that the rich are the only ones that who are going to end up in Congress." And you know what? There's a disproportionate share of members of Congress who are multimillionaires.

PERINO: A lot of them go to Congress, and then they get rich somehow, mysteriously, like Senator Harry Reid.

BOLLING: Yes. How is it that you make 174 grand now and you've been in Congress your whole life, and you end up walking away from your public service with 10...

WILLIAMS: I'm going to tell you, it ain't -- it ain't unusual.

BOLLING: ... in huge real estate assets. Are you just that good? Boxer, I think, did very well. Didn't her husband do very well?

GUTFELD: Yes, he's quite wealthy.

GUILFOYLE: And Pelosi's husband. Fabulous.

BOLLING: Can I point something out?

But he was a real estate developer before she got...

GUILFOYLE: Oh, he's very successful.

BOLLING: Anyway, 132 days they work during session a year.

PELOSI: You work every day when you're a member of Congress. I don't think that's fair. They're in session that many times. But if you were a member of Congress, Eric, you would want to go home to your constituents every weekend, too. But I think that that's not fair.

BOLLING: But -- it ends up being...

PELOSI: It's like I'm talking to -- not real (ph).

BOLLING: ... it ends up being about 50 percent of the year you're actually in session.

PELOSI: No, you work every day when you're a member of Congress. And then on Saturdays, you've got to go to the parades, and you've got to go to the events and hold a town hall.

BOLLING: But do they -- don't they get five weeks off in a row at some point?

PELOSI: No, but they're working. When you get to be a member of Congress...


PELOSI: ... you can come back and say that makes sense.

BOLLING: I just -- listen, I would do it for free. If you really want to know what's going on...

PELOSI: Maybe we should take you up on that.

BOLLING: I would absolutely do it for free.


BOLLING: Every member, every House member gets at least a million dollars to run his office, and every Senate member gets $2 million to run their office. Dana, they could put things as menial or trivial as bottled water on their expense account.

PELOSI: OK. If you ran a business, and you had an office, and you were bringing constituents in, would you offer them water? Yes, probably so.

BOLLING: Yes, but listen...

PELOSI: I just guarantee you, you're -- when you get there, it will be different.

BOLLING: I just don't think the taxpayers should pick up the tab for all of these incidentals.

GUTFELD: It's not Tab. It's bottled water.


GUILFOYLE: Remember that?

GUTFELD: I love Tab.

GUILFOYLE: In the little pink can.

PERINO: That's disgusting.

GUTFELD: You didn't like -- what about Fresca?

PERINO: No, I don't like Tab.

GUTFELD: Do you like Fresca?

GUILFOYLE: I love Fresca.

GUTFELD: I love Fresca. Let's get married.

GUILFOYLE: Yes. Take it easy. You just wait till I moderate.

This is what I'm telling you, it happens all the time.

GUTFELD: All right. I take it back. These things never work out.

GUILFOYLE: Are you going to recant?

WILLIAMS: Yes, his wife...

GUILFOYLE: You're also married.

WILLIAMS: That's why his wife -- his wife would have a real objection.

BOLLING: They're giving me one of these.

GUTFELD: Which makes it more crazy.

BOLLING: When we return, tensions between cops and black communities continue to be strained, and one top cop is issuing a warning for lawmakers. But will they listen?


WILLIAMS: In the wake of recent unrest, law enforcement officers are at a, quote, "tipping point," end quote, that could spell dangerous consequences for the communities they serve. That's according to Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clark. He testified before a House panel yesterday. Sheriff Clark addressed the rising tensions between cops and poor black communities and warned the real problem is being ignored.


SHERIFF DAVID CLARK, MILWAUKEE COUNTY: Black on black crime is the elephant in the room that few want to talk about. We could talk about the police use of force, but it doesn't start with transforming the police profession. It starts by asking why we need so much assertive policing in the American ghetto.

Are police officers perfect? Not by any stretch of imagination. Are police agencies perfect? Not even close. But we are the best that our communities have to offer.


WILLIAMS: You know, this is to me, Kimberly...


WILLIAMS: ... a very poignant moment. I mean, you see a black police officer saying, "We've got to talk about black-on-black crime. It's a reality. We've got to deal with it."

The problem is it becomes so politicized right away. Everything is now about politics. And so you have in the Senate, where you had, it's interesting, two South Carolinians, Lindsey Graham, Scott Walker, two senators saying, yes, we've got to do more with body cameras and protection and the like. And it was pretty quiet. But you get to the House, and it explodes, because you have people now condemning Sheriff Clark for even using the term "ghetto."

GUILFOYLE: I know. It's foolish, because people are speaking, honestly, out of ignorance. They have no idea what is going on in these communities across the country. They have no idea the thankless job that the police department does every single day.

They should go and be on what's called a ride along. Go on -- Al Sharpton's the one. Why don't you go into one of these communities, pick your state. In L.A., why don't you go into east L.A. or Compton, one of these places, put your butt on the line, get in one of those cars and see the real crime, the threats in these community. And then tell these cops go in there without proper gear, without the proper tools that they need to do their jobs. Then wait until all you know what breaks loose.

WILLIAMS: Well, you know, you had a situation where Bob Goodlatte, who's the congressman from Virginia, is trying to get something done. And just my perception, Dana, is he got frustrated, because all a sudden, it's like the Democrats, especially the black Democrats, are all saying, "Oh, I was stopped unfairly or this terrible policing is going on. They need more to be guardians than simply coming into our communities like warriors."

And then you have the Republicans saying, "Oh, poor police. We don't need anything done to start or change the way the police -- the neighborhood."

I thought it was useless.

PERINO: Well, sometimes House hearings are. I mean, remember, you've seen this play over and over again. It was an interesting airing out of the views, but I think it got to the nut of the question, is what can the federal government do. And, the truth is, it's very limited.

WILLIAMS: It is very limited. Now yesterday had...

GUILFOYLE: Why did they attack this guy for being brave to go there and treat him this way?

WILLIAMS: No, I don't think they treated him badly. But they got into a row -- it just turned into a political row.

Now, yesterday, Eric, the president said he's going to cut back on the use of military equipment for the police. What do you think?

BOLLING: Well, it encompassed a lot of other things, too. He said that police departments had to petition for different types of -- even things that they use in everyday policing. And so there's a big push-back by law enforcement about those proposals. Hopefully, the president rethinks those.

There are only three numbers that really matter here. In 2014, there were 117 police officers, law enforcement officers killed. Not black, not white but blue. In 2013, the last number available, 14,565 were injured in the line of duty. Not black, not white but blue. And these guys make on -- guys and gals make on average $59,000.

Stop pointing your finger at them and start putting them up on a pedestal, maybe even helping them out, maybe even pushing some benefits their way.

By the way, Greg and I mentioned something on that biker thing that went on a couple days ago. We called the bikers "thugs." Now these were white bikers that we called thugs. Where is the left with the outrage on the use of the word "thug"?

WILLIAMS: Well, Greg, on this -- this is your bailiwick here, thug. So this is an argument now. The bikers thugs?

GUTFELD: I want to talk about the sheriff. He runs as a Democrat for sheriff.


GUTFELD: But he did a great quote where he said, "There's no Democrat or Republican way to be sheriff. The enemy is not the opposing party. It's the criminal." And what he's saying is the polar opposite of what's happening.

Politics has infested law enforcement, and ideology is turning against -- turning us against ourselves. This is in law enforcement, the green movement in the foreign policy arena. Politics is subverting our country's future.

WILLIAMS: Well, I don't -- I think that people have a legitimate grievance. They should be able to hear it in a democracy.

All right. "One More Thing" coming up next.

GUILFOYLE: All right.


GUTFELD: "One More Thing." I start it with this.


GUTFELD: Greg's Safety Tips.


GUTFELD: You know, if you're going to go sailing, always make sure that the life vest fits, because you want to take it off, which is what happened to Jeremy Piven here in this video. There he is. Got the...





GUTFELD: It was on too tight. And Mr. Piven was having a hard time. He couldn't get out. He ended up missing his sailing trip, because he was so uncomfortable. And the good news is, well...

PERINO: Do you know why they have to wear a life vest, though? Bulldogs?


PERINO: If they go in the water, they'll flip over like that and drown.

GUTFELD: Well, that's good news.

PERINO: They need a life vest.

GUTFELD: Very good. Thank you, Captain Careful.

GUILFOYLE: Good for Jeremy to know.


GUILFOYLE: Captain Careful, aww. That's cute. Want more cute? OK.

Golden State Warriors point guard Steve Curry is cute, but his daughter, Riley, is even cuter. Take a look at this press conference. It's all about her.


STEVE CURRY, GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS POINT GUARD: It's entertaining in basketball, but it's -- we're both supposed to...

RILEY CURRY, DAUGHTER: That's too loud, Daddy.

S. CURRY: I know. Hold on one second.

R. CURRY: Be quiet.

S. CURRY: He plays well; and obviously he did that, and we'll live with those shots.


GUILFOYLE: Is that not amazing? Hi, baby. She's so super cute.

PERINO: She's a star.

GUTFELD: All right. Dana.

PERINO: OK. A bill -- this is, like, very exciting for me. A bill was passed in the New York State Senate, and it's going to make its way through the process. Did I say something?

GUTFELD: No, go ahead.

PERINO: OK. They're going to allow -- they're debating whether to allow dogs to sit at restaurants in outdoor seating. Right now, it's banned. The dogs have to sit outside of a barrier. Jasper would never do that. So I don't go. If this law changes, I would go.

But there's a guy named -- some man named Richard Gottfried (ph). He's so nervous about dogs maybe eating off other people's plates that he's trying to block it.

But I'm just going to beg you, don't fall on your sword on this one. Live to fight another day on better legislation.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God. That was so "Braveheart."


WILLIAMS: Well, here, take a look at this. Here is 51-year-old Michelle Obama pumping it up, promoting her Let's Move initiative.

GUILFOYLE: There's my boxing video.

WILLIAMS: Cornell McLellan (ph) is her trainer, if you see him in the video. This is about five more ways to be healthy. And let me tell you, she put this out to show...

GUILFOYLE: That is amazing.

WILLIAMS: ... how light and wimpy President Obama's video was. She's a lot tougher.

BOLLING: I was going to point that out.


BOLLING: She's lifting more than he was in his video.

WILLIAMS: Absolutely.

PERINO: That was the best video.

GUILFOYLE: What does that tell you?

BOLLING: So after four months, I'm back on Snapchat and I took a behind- the-scenes Snapchat. I'm going to Snapchat it right now. EB2016 is where it is. I'm not going to hold it up. I was going to show it to you, but I decided you have to see it. You have to go EB2016 on Snapchat.

GUILFOYLE: You know what goes on on Snapchat?

BOLLING: I love Snapchat.

GUILFOYLE: It's like...


BOLLING: All good stuff.

GUTFELD: Never miss an episode of "The Five." Set your DVRs. "Special Report" up next.

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