This is the complete transcript from "On the Record," March 3, 2006.
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: For the past two nights, you have watched as Joran van der Sloot, who remains a suspect in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, finally told his side of the story. Tonight, the final installment of our interview with him. We did not edit any content of this interview. We are showing you every question we asked and Joran's complete answer to each of those questions.
Two weeks ago, Joran van der Sloot flew to New York City. Before he stepped off the plane, he was served with a civil lawsuit. In it, Natalee's parents accuse Joran of sexually assaulting their daughter.
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JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, CHIEF SUSPECT IN NATALEE HOLLOWAY DISAPPEARANCE: We talked about it a little earlier, too, about what happened at John F. Kennedy airport, I mean, that I arrived there, you know, to go to do an interview with ABC. We walked out the — I got my bags to walk out of the plane. I didn't know that there was someone on the plane there with me.
VAN SUSTEREN: Didn't know that.
VAN DER SLOOT: No. But they handed me — they handed me a paper. I didn't know what they were handing me. I said, you know, Thanks. And he stepped back and had a little disposable camera with him.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you see him take your picture?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. He took two pictures, and I saw him — I saw him take those pictures. And then when we walked out, there were two customs guys (INAUDIBLE) Oh, there he is. And they — yes, they took me and my friend and they put us in the — they put us in this room where we had to wait for three hours while — with no explanation of why they were holding us or, you know, nothing like that. Nothing like that got explained to us.
Finally, I saw an older gentlemen walk by and I asked, you know, What's going on? And they said, Oh, yes, we have to wait for a phone call to be able to let you go. And he did — and he finally let me have a phone call. And then, yes, in the end, this Delta woman came up to me and said, you know, When you go out, someone from ABC is waiting for you on the left- hand side. So you know, just go with him. And then she comes back and says, Oh, I can't tell you anything anymore. It's out of my hands.
And I walk out there, and there's this — there's this Bo Dietl and this whole group of people with all their — with their cameras and everything. We walk out. I mean, the — he comes up to me and he tries to give me papers, and the guy from ABC threw a jacket over my head and said, Come on, let's go.
And so we're walking. He's — he threw the ABC guy on the — on the ground, the producer. He threw him on the ground, with everyone — you know, everyone there watching and filming — filming it. He was screaming, you know, Welcome to America. Welcome to America, you know, Punk, where'd you hide her body? Where'd you hide her body? And you know, he was — he was screaming all that.
I think one — at one point, when I saw him throw — throw the producer on the ground, I went to step up. I wanted to know — I was, like, you know, What are you — what are you doing? You can't just throw this guy on the ground. I mean, I didn't know who Bo Dietl was. I mean, I didn't know who he was. But then I was thinking, you know, That's all he wants me to do. He wants me to react to him, to do something to him. And yes, that's all he wanted. That's all it would have taken for them to put just that little piece of video on the whole news, and that would have been it.
But I mean, then we went to the taxicab. We put the bags in the taxi. And again, he came, tried to stuff the papers down my jacket. And I took the papers out of my jacket and I threw them on the floor. I mean, I'd already gotten the papers on the plane. And yes, he threw — he threw the ABC producer on the ground again.
And then it's just something again — this whole case is about lying. I mean, that's really what it's all been about. Then why would you not — I mean, I've seen — I've seen Bo Dietl on your show and on other shows, too, saying he didn't throw the ABC producer on the ground. I mean, come forward and show the videotape, then, you know? It'll all been about lying. It's all been about, you know, everything like that. Then why would you go on TV and lie about something like that, too? That's just something that — I mean, there were a lot of people there that saw that. The taxi driver saw that. Everyone saw it. The (INAUDIBLE) producer from "Nova" was there, he saw that. I mean, a lot of people saw that happen, too. And that's just something — why would you — if everything's about lying, and what they think they're doing is right, then why would you go on TV and lie?
VAN SUSTEREN: What — one of the things in this lawsuit that you mention is there's the accusation that you are essentially — that you're a — that you're a predator of some sort, that you've had these relationships with three other American young girls that have gone bad. Do you want to respond to that?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, that's something that — everything in that lawsuit is (DELETED). That's something that, you know...
VAN SUSTEREN: That is not true?
VAN DER SLOOT: All those accusations are — nothing in there is true at all. And I mean, they're going to have a hard time. I don't know how they're going to prove that, if nothing of that is true. I mean...
VAN SUSTEREN: Have you ever been accused by a girl...
VAN DER SLOOT: Never. Never.
VAN SUSTEREN: ... or something — never?
VAN DER SLOOT: I mean, you can talk to any girl I've ever been with, and they can say I always treated them in the right way. I mean, I never laid a finger on a girl without her wanting to. I've never done anything like that before ever with any girl.
VAN SUSTEREN: What's the anger management stuff, though? At some point, correct me if I'm wrong, that you were getting some sort of — you know, that — were you going to some courses or classes or something? Was there a problem with that?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, I never went to any.
VAN SUSTEREN: Nothing like that? Never been an anger issue?
VAN DER SLOOT: No. Never. No.
VAN SUSTEREN: That's just all made up?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: Totally — totally fiction?
VAN DER SLOOT: Totally made up.
VAN SUSTEREN: OK.
VAN DER SLOOT: Totally fiction.
VAN SUSTEREN: In terms of the lawsuit, any sort of thoughts on what are going to do about it, or is it too soon?
VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know, you know? I mean, it's going to — it's going to — I want to — there's nothing I'd rather do than go there and defend myself against that lawsuit. There's nothing I'd rather do. But I mean, they have — they have John Q. Kelly as their lawyer, and it's going to cost probably $100,000 to go there and defend yourself. It's money I don't have. It's money, you know, my dad doesn't have. It's not going to be easy to — you know, to go there into a U.S. court and go defend yourself. But there's nothing I'd rather do. If I have to get on a plane and go there and defend myself alone, without a lawyer, I mean, I'll go do that. I'm going to go defend myself against that. I mean, those accusations are sick, and I had nothing — I didn't do anything of the kind in there. There's nothing I'd rather do than go there and defend myself.
VAN SUSTEREN: Beth Holloway — what's your thought feeling about Natalee's mother?
VAN DER SLOOT: I mean, like, we — like we talked about before, too, I don't have any — I don't have any bad — I mean, not regrets, I mean, I don't think badly of her. I mean, if my daughter — or I don't have a — I mean, if my daughter was missing, or my brother or my mother, you know, if someone was missing that I loved, and there was some kid with them last, you know, I'd probably feel — and everything's that's here in the media, I'd feel that way, too. I mean, I'd be — I'd be pretty upset, too.
But the things — the actions she's taking are wrong. Those are — the things she's doing is wrong. This is something that doesn't belong — this isn't supposed to go through the media. This is something that, you know, a lot of emotions are involved from a lot of people, and this is something that, you know — that should be handled outside of the media. This is something that shouldn't be done through the media.
This is something that, you know, if — I've always said — I've always said, and I said it to ABC, too, but they never put it in their piece — that if Beth Twitty or Dave Holloway were to say, Joran, I want to come to Holland and talk to you, I mean, I'll invite them into my house. I'll answer any questions they have. I mean, I'll understand if they don't — you know, if they're mad at me, I mean, I can understand that all. I can understand if they hate me, or they despise me. I understand all that, all.
But when I was in jail, I signed the paper for them to come talk to me, and then my lawyers and my parents said, No, you can't — you can't talk to them because they can come out saying anything, that you said anything. And you know, I've always — I've always wanted to talk to them. And I know they might not listen to me, and you know, they don't — they might not believe me. But I'll talk to them and tell them anything they want to know, answer any of their questions, do anything of that.
I mean, I think the actions they're taking are definitely wrong, The things that they are doing from outside of (INAUDIBLE) thinking I had something to do with them, that's — I don't blame them for that at all. I mean, like I said, if I was — if I was looking at this from the outside, I'd think I had something to do with it because, you know, a lot of stuff happened that's just weird, that just doesn't make sense, either.
But what is important is that the actions, the other actions they're taking, I think, are just wrong. I don't agree with them at all.
VAN SUSTEREN: How do you describe yourself?
VAN DER SLOOT: Myself? I'm just — you know, I'm someone that — I'm very outgoing. I like — you know, I think — I love doing sports. Most important thing for me now is my school. I mean, that's all I have going for me, in Holland. I mean, that's the most important thing for me now. That's what I'm really concentrating on. And yes, I mean, I get along with people really well. I talk to people really well. And you know, I've never had anyone with me that, you know, didn't seem to like me.
VAN SUSTEREN: And your dreams are, at this point, to do what?
VAN DER SLOOT: I'm studying international business management at my school. And yes, my dreams are just to finish that study, and you know, go on with my life. And I just hope this get solved, for everyone, for everyone involved. For everyone's sake, I really hope that this get solved. And like I said, I mean, I'll use every second of the time that I get to talk. I mean, just if anyone knows anything, just please, please go forward to the police and tell them everything that you know. I mean, it's just so important.
VAN SUSTEREN: What's your theory? What do you think happened?
VAN DER SLOOT: I mean, I'm not going to — I mean, I have 20 of my own theories. I mean, I've thought so many things that could have happened. I mean — but I'm not going to — all people have done is speculate. That's all people have done, and that's wrong. I mean, so I'm not going to go on and speculate and say what I think happened, either.
VAN SUSTEREN: Think it's going to be solved?
VAN DER SLOOT: I think it'll be solved. I think...
VAN SUSTEREN: Why?
VAN DER SLOOT: Because there's — there's — I mean, it has to be solved, for everyone involved. I think Aruba is doing everything they can to solve it, and I think it will be solved. I really believe deep down inside that it'll be solved.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Coming up "On the Record"...
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VAN DER SLOOT: No evidence at all to prove anything, not to say that she's alive or not to say that something happened to her. I mean, deep down — deep down inside, I don't think — I don't know that she's — she's alive anymore.
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VAN SUSTEREN: More of our interview with Joran van der Sloot. Plus, find out if the Aruban teen plans on talking to the police again. And later: Did this interview change your mind about Joran's guilt or innocence? Our legal panel is here, and their answer to that question may surprise you.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Nine months ago, Natalee Holloway disappeared. Since then, police arrested and released seven people in the case, four of whom have been cleared, but Joran Van Der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe are remain suspects in the case.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Any way to describe your experience over the last year and this sort of ongoing...
VAN DER SLOOT: Well, it's been — I mean, I was 17. I'm 18 now. It's been, like, a good experience for me. I, you know, look at life in a way — different way now. I mean, I don't take things for granted anymore that I take for granted. And I changed my lifestyle a lot, as well. I mean, I've looked at all this stuff, and I mean, it's just so much (INAUDIBLE) You feel like you have a whole, you know, load on you, as well. And at night — I mean, we've talked before, too, that you say, you know, it seems like you never sleep. I mean, this is part of my life, too. This is something that — you know, it's a big part of my life, and I want to get this case — I want this case to get solved, too, so I can move on with my life.
VAN SUSTEREN: Is Natalee dead or alive?
VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know. I mean, there's nothing...
VAN SUSTEREN: What do you think?
VAN DER SLOOT: There's no evidence at all to prove anything, not to say that she's alive and not to say that something happened to her. I mean, deep down — deep down inside, I don't think — I don't think that she's alive anymore. But I mean, there's every — anything — anything could have happened. Anything could have happened. I mean, I really don't know.
VAN SUSTEREN: You had something else you wanted to add.
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. I wanted to say, like, what a lot of people don't understand is the differences between the actual legal systems, the American legal system and the Dutch legal system. If this would have happened in the States, I would have never ever even been arrested, would have never even been questioned. So I mean, now, at the end, if I look at it, I mean, now that you're playing, you know, (INAUDIBLE) telling everyone exactly what happened, and you know, just trying also to get, you know, people to, you know, listen to what happened, maybe someone knows something. They hear me asking them if they know something, and they come forward.
If this would have happened in the United States, no one would have been arrested and no one — no one — they wouldn't have even been able to arrest someone in this case. There's absolutely not any — any evidence of anything, not of any foul play, not of anything like that. There's not any evidence to show that she's alive. There's not evidence to show that something happened to her. I mean, the only — you know, there's not any evidence at all in the entire case. I mean, it's something that I can't — you can't understand yourself, either.
VAN SUSTEREN: When you left her that night, were there any people around who might have seen something? You make the plea for people to come forward. Did you see anybody in the immediate area?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, that's exactly what I said. I mean, there were couples there on the beach. I mean, you know, please, come forward. You know, talk to the police. There was a couple that walked by when we were there on the beach. I mean, it's not — it's not like it's a deserted beach. It's a crowded area where there's a lot of people. You know, just come forward and talk to the — you know, tell the police everything you know. It's just very important.
VAN SUSTEREN: Is there any piece of information or any person who you think the police need to talk about, who they haven't spoken to?
VAN DER SLOOT: No. I don't know — I don't know anything about that. I only know what — what — you know, what I did, what I had to do with, and I can't speak for anyone else. And I don't know anyone else that I think they should go talk to. I don't know.
VAN SUSTEREN: And no other piece of evidence or, like, you know, surveillance or phone calls or e-mails or anything else?
VAN DER SLOOT: No. They have all the surveillance and they have all the phone calls and all the — all that stuff they have. And you know, that's all — that's all been looked by them, as well. (INAUDIBLE) all that's — you know, that can help solve this case is, you know, the person that knows something to come forward and talk to the police. I mean, it's just important for everyone, so everyone can move on with their life.
VAN SUSTEREN: Are you willing to talk more to the police, to Karin Janssen, if they ask you?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, I'm not — I'm not going to talk to the police anymore. I mean, I've — they put me through a lot, as well, you know? And they were trying to solve the case, but I don't trust the police anymore, either. I don't trust the police here anymore, either.
VAN SUSTEREN: How about the prosecutor, Karin Janssen?
VAN DER SLOOT: No, I think she has a personal — you know, I don't think — I think she took this case personal from the beginning, and she didn't like me at all. And I mean, you know, I won't talk to anyone, any of them.
VAN SUSTEREN: So how do we sort of move forward, if they want more information from you, if they think that'd be beneficial in some way?
VAN DER SLOOT: I mean, I don't know. I mean, I've told them everything I know, and that's all — that's all I can do. And it's up to them now to solve the case, for them to do everything they can to solve the case so just everyone, you know, this can get solved and everyone can just get on with their life.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Coming up: How was Joran treated during those interrogations? And is he bit better his three months behind bars?
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VAN DER SLOOT: If anything, I deserved the days in jail because — just for being so — yes, so stupid.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Joran van der Sloot says he told police everything he knows about the Natalee Holloway case and will not submit to more questioning. We asked him about his experience being interrogated in Aruba.
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VAN SUSTEREN: Treated fairly or unfairly by the system here?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, that's — you know, that's a hard question to answer because now that, you know, since you've been — you know, you lied — you lied to the police, I mean, how can you say — if anything, those days in jail, when I thought about it, I deserved those. I mean, it's all been a learning experience for me, too. If anything, I deserved those days in jail because — just for being so — yes, so stupid, so — you know, just thinking about yourself. And I think, if anything, that, you know, my father being in the legal system worked against me.
VAN SUSTEREN: Why?
VAN DER SLOOT: I don't think — they took it harder on me because of that.
VAN SUSTEREN: In terms of hard, which way?
VAN DER SLOOT: Not treating you, you know, fairly, not treating you in the way they should have — they should have treated you because even the police did a lot of things that police shouldn't do during interrogations. I mean, everyone has the view that the police, you know, treated us in a different way because of that, but that's definitely not the case. I mean, we weren't treated well by the police at all. I mean, not in any way, not in any aspect.
VAN SUSTEREN: How? Give me an example.
VAN DER SLOOT: I mean, one of the police officers hit me during interrogations. When he took me out of the room, he said, (DELETED) the cameras, and he hit me. I mean, they would come to talk to me in rooms, you know, when there's no — when there's no cameras and they're not taping everything. They'd come and talk to me, and you know, fill (ph) your whole — almost make you — you know, make you go crazy. You know, they yell stuff at you, say stuff to you and — you know?
VAN SUSTEREN: The interrogation started at what time of day usually?
VAN DER SLOOT: At the beginning. I mean, (INAUDIBLE) the beginning, sometimes they'd interrogate from 8:00 in the morning until 10:00 at night.
VAN SUSTEREN: Under what conditions?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, in a room with a videocamera on you and two interrogators in the room.
VAN SUSTEREN: So they'd turn off the camera, and one hit you when they turned the camera off?
VAN DER SLOOT: They'd — that happened one day, when they'd hit me. And when they went back — when I went back to the actual — back to the jail right away, I had the — of course, I had the doctor look at it. I had everyone there, the social worker look at it, and they all saw that and put up their reports. And when I got back to the actual jail there, everyone's, like, you know, What happened to you? And you know, that's something — again, I mean I can understand the police frustration, too, because, you know, we lied to them, and they don't know what to do next, either. I mean, I can understand that frustration, too, but to go hit someone doesn't solve anything.
VAN SUSTEREN: How badly were you hit? Where — how were you hit?
VAN DER SLOOT: I was hit — I was just — I was sitting in a chair, and I was hit with an open hand across the head.
VAN SUSTEREN: Any other way that you were mistreated while you were in jail?
VAN DER SLOOT: When I was in jail, no. I mean, the people there — that were there in jail with me were also, you know, great. I mean, they were — you know, I got along with everyone there, and I wasn't treated badly there. The guards were — always treated me well. I mean, I wasn't treated there bad in any way, either.
VAN SUSTEREN: Other than the lie about the Holiday Inn and the two guards (INAUDIBLE), did you lie to the police at all?
VAN DER SLOOT: That's what I said to you about that, that Deepak Kalpoe and Satish dropped me off at my house. That's (INAUDIBLE)
VAN SUSTEREN: So two lies, essentially.
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: Any other lies?
VAN DER SLOOT: Any other lies? No.
VAN SUSTEREN: Know anything else about this?
VAN DER SLOOT: No.
VAN SUSTEREN: Nothing about what happened to Natalee?
VAN DER SLOOT: No.
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