How Great a Threat is Militant Islam's War Against the West?

This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," July 27, 2006, that has been edited for clarity.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (speaking Arabic)


ALAN COLMES, CO-HOST: That was from the new movie "Obsession: Radical Islam's War Against the West," using images from Arab TV rarely seen here in the America. The film argues that the threat of radical Islam is real and is right here at home.

Joining us now is Nonie Darwish, who was interviewed in the film, along with director Wayne Kopping who joins us on the phone.

And, Nonie, let me start with you. What produces terrorism?

NONIE DARWISH, "THE OBSESSION": Hatred, indoctrination, and repeating the same thing over and over again. "Jews are apes and pigs. They are infidels. They are enemies of God." And that's what we grew up with for many — all the time. And the movie, "Obsession," has shown that and proved it from footage from the Middle East.

COLMES: Right. You know, it's truly remarkable some of the footage you have in here. And I guess, Wayne, the question that we debate here every night is, do you meet that hatred with military force? Is that the way to eradicate it? Is that the best way to deal with it?

WAYNE KOPPING, DIRECTOR OF "THE OBSESSION": You know, it's not a military struggle. It's not a political struggle. This is an ideological struggle. And it's something that, when we talk about reform and dealing with it, it's something that, like the clip you just saw, you have to take it back right down to the children, to the toddlers.

That's the level that you have to deal with it. And you have to change the way these people see the world and the way they educate their kids about the world.

COLMES: What I'm curious about, Wayne, is are you careful here to point out that Muslim itself is not an extreme radical religion? Are you carefully differentiating radical extreme Islam from mainstream Islam?

KOPPING: Right. Thank you for bringing that up because, you know, radical Islam has literally taken mainstream Islam and turned it in on its head and used it as a weapon. And, you know, it doesn't do the Islamic world a service, you know, what these people are doing. And we in the film are very, very careful to differentiate between the two.

SEAN HANNITY, CO-HOST: Hey, Nonie, it's Sean Hannity here. Your father had a fascinating life. He headed the Egyptian military in Gaza and the Sinai when Gaza was under Egyptian control in the '50s. He was killed in 1956 in jihad against Israel.

DARWISH: That's correct, and the cycle is still going on. The Fedayeen of yesterday are now becoming Hezbollah and all of these terror groups. And enough is enough. We moderate Arab voices, and you'll see in the movie several of us speaking against terrorism. The ayatollahs and the sheiks, the hateful, self-anointed sheiks who are condemning the Middle East to a permanent state of war, this condition has to end.

HANNITY: Well, I guess, if we're going to use an analogy, Nonie, for example, you could look at Hitler in his writing. You could look at Hitler in his actions. Hitler was battling against civilization. We see the exact same thing happening here.

I mean, you're showing real images from real Arab television, and it is a real insiders' view. You see the children, their indoctrination, their hatred of the West. It's like we are sitting — we've been lulled into a sleep when it's the rise of Nazism just before our eyes. Isn't there a similarity here?

DARWISH: Very much so. And I'm very happy that at least the film "Obsession" is showing that angle, because unfortunately the media doesn't get the translations of Arab television. What's happening in mosques, the hate speech, and the cursing of Jews, and non-Muslims, and Christians, we have to stand up to our religion and take it back from these hateful people.

HANNITY: You know something, I am glad to hear you say that, because the people that are being killed the most it seems right now are Muslims, are being killed by the Islamic fascists.

Let me go to Wayne, because I want to talk specifically about the movie. Wayne, you have image after image, example after example. It is shocking beyond belief of just how radical, and how extensive, and how deep this enemy is in this battle against the West. Why does everybody seem to be asleep? Why is there not a world called to arms against this?

KOPPING: Well, first of all, I'm afraid to say that we haven't even shown a fraction of the footage that we actually have. And to tell the truth, we haven't even shown the most radical of the footage, because some of the stuff is just a little bit too graphic.

HANNITY: But you need to show that. Why not?

KOPPING: You know, in the context of the film and in the context of the thesis of the film, we needed to present things that were in line with the exact thesis of the film that we were trying to present. But still, what we show is stunningly shocking, as you pointed out.

And why hasn't the media, most of the mainstream media, picked up on this? First of all, because this information is behind this Arabic language barrier. That's first of all. And, second of all, I don't think they really want to look at it, because if you shine a light into those dark corners, it may be too frightening what you find there.

COLMES: All right, Wayne, we thank you very much, Wayne. Nonie, we thank you, as well, for coming on tonight.

DARWISH: Thank you very much.

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