White House talks up ISIS threat, talks down US military action

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," August 13, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino, along with Kimberly Guilfoyle, Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, and Greg Gutfeld.

It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."


PERINO: Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel made an alarming announcement about the terror threats posed by ISIS.


CHUCK HAGEL, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: The Iraqi people, the government of Iraq, the country of Iraq, is now under threat from some of the most brutal, barbaric forces we've ever seen in the world today. It's a force in a dimension that the world has never seen before.


PERINO: While President Obama has said that he will not allow a caliphate to be established in Iraq and Syria, can we with confidence say that current operations are all that's needed to beat back the threat? That's in question.


JONAH GOLDBERG, "NATIONAL REVIEW" ONLINE: You need a truly global strategy but how are you going to deal with something like this. The Pentagon is saying this is going to take 10 or 20 years to deal with ISIS alone. Why aren't we arming the Kurds in Syria? Why aren't we bombing ISIS in Syria? Why aren't we actually trying to get rid of ISIS? Instead, we're doing all of this cosmetic stuff that may get us through the news cycle, but it isn't going to solve the problem.


PERINO: The White House said troops that go to Iraq will not engage in combat. And I think one asks the question if it's smart to limit our response that way. Let's listen to this montage.


BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: American forces will not be returning combat in Iraq.

JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: The president has made clear American military action in Iraq would not include combat boots on the ground.

BEN RHODES, DEPUTY NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR: I think the key point here is that the U.S. forces, the role of U.S. forces is not one of re- entering combat on the ground.


PERINO: Greg, we're talking about this a little bit earlier. I want to get your take on it. Why would we as the United States, if the threat is so large as Chuck Hagel was saying from the Pentagon, if it's so big, why would we limit our troops in any way when they are there to fight the terrorist?

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: I mean, I suppose if we can blame ISIS for global warming then President Obama might take it seriously, but he's continually telling our enemies to keep going. But even -- even if it's true, we're not going to put troops down there, you don't tell them that.

This philosophy -- my sense is the great strength that America has is our military is perceived as a detriment by our president. It's a flaw. And that has -- that has been, I guess cultivated in his life as an academic, as a progressive, that the greatest thing we create happens to be the thing that the world hates us for.

He's like a little man scared of his own big dog. His distrust of our greatest asset is helping to create a terrorist state. It's frustrating.

Here you have Hagel -- Chuck Hagel contradicting what President Obama says. I mean this administration changes their tune more than a jukebox. I can't keep up with what they believe in.

PERINO: Well, somebody that just left the administration, Eric, is General Michael Flynn. He was heading up the Defense Intelligence Agency from June of 2012 until just recently. He did an interview with "Breaking Defense," which is a trade publication, and he basically criticizes the approach for -- the terrorism fighting approach and he said that we knew that decapitating leadership is not a good strategy. He says decapitation alone was a failed strategy because even if you take out leadership, they keep growing. He says this over a career.

I go back to that point that the 9/11 Commission made. It's the first time in a decade they had done a report. And they said that we are more complacent, we are now at a point where we are more complacent than we were before 9/11.

Do you think that the response is proportionate to the threat that's being described outside of the White House?

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Well, I don't think there is a response yet. I think the 130 advisors that he sent there on the mountain right now aren't going to be the final response from the White House. I would think that wasn't the case.

That said, can we just talk a second -- look, can I point something out about Chuck Hagel. He's at the Pentagon in a polo shirt?

PERINO: He's at Camp Pendleton.

BOLLING: OK. He's at Camp Pendleton, a little bit better. Sorry about that.

But still, he was a little low key on this. If you want to stir up people and change the debate away from President Obama calling them the jayvee, and talk about what ISIS really is, which is blood-thirsty terrorist murderers, then get a little bit animated about that, in my opinion.

Let's just talk for a second whether or not we should put boots on the ground. There's one thing we definitely should do. There's no one who is going to dispute. There are up to 30,000 Yazidis still on that mountain. They are starving, they are dying.

There are reports, credible reports of friends of ours at Sky News reporting that parents are cutting themselves so their children can drink the blood because they are dying of thirst. They are literally dying of thirst.

So, what we need to do first and foremost worry about the military options later. Right now, we're humanitarians, get it there now. Get some C-130s, drop a bunch of food and water and medicine to those people right now, and we'll work out the rest of it in the best way possible. But first things first.

PERINO: That's an interesting point.

Bob, I read a story earlier today about a Yazidi woman who was rescued, and they said, how did she survive? She had a baby. Her milk had run dry and she coaxed a goat to allow the baby to suckle.

And I wonder about the propaganda war that ISIS is being so brutal and using social media to show severed heads, that this is how they fight. And we're trying to be humanitarian.

Is there anyway or what do you think the United States should be doing to try to counterbalance what is not just the physical aspect of fighting terrorism but the psychological one as well?

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: I think it's begun already. I mean, even some of the Muslim countries are beginning to speak out against these guys. They are obviously afraid of them but they are speaking out against them.

I don't think they are nearly the kind of organized force that al Qaeda was. I don't believe for a second they pose a threat to the United States directly.

I think we can do what we did in Balkans over two wars, which was we did it by air power and we beat them. We beat the Serbs who were equal -- I don't want to say they're equally as nasty, but they're pretty tough guys.

I think the idea of us doing -- this guy that was cosmetic for a news cycle taking out artillery batteries is not cosmetic, my boy.

PERINO: Well, the Pentagon itself said that what they are doing now will not have an impact.

BECKEL: No, no, but they have to increase it. They have to expand it.

But let's keep in mind, again, you have to have a military in Iraq who is going to be there willing to fight and they don't have it yet.

PERINO: But in the meantime -- so, Kimberly, some of these ISIS fighters that were trained in Syria have western passports. How concerned do you think we should be when, I think that's the point Greg made. You have the Pentagon, you have the defense intelligence chief, other intelligence officials saying how dire the threat is and that the White House saying it's jayvee. I tend to believe that the White House actually might understand how big the threat is, but I don't understand their reluctance to just calling it what it is.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: I think they're playing it dumb because it looks like, once again, they have egg on their face -- that they misjudged and miscalculated and hoping this storm would pass after the midterm elections, and they wouldn't be in a position of compromise, that there they sit, and now, they have to own it.

While the death of Osama bin Laden was cathartic, it was only the beginning of a new chapter on terrorism. That's what General Flynn and others are trying to get this administration to understand and to wake up, that this fight is now, that it is real, that it cannot be postponed, that we are otherwise derelict in our duties to this country, because -- Bob, I disagree with you.

This is a much more serious threat than al Qaeda ever was. I'm going to listen to the experts that know and have the benefit of intelligence.

BECKEL: Well, there are a lot of experts who say the opposite. But we just finished playing the longest war in our history. You want to keep it going for 20 more years?

GUILFOYLE: You know what? You don't give up. They're not giving up.

PERINO: The enemy doesn't give up.

GUILFOYLE: This is their sustenance. This is what pumps through their blood every day. They will not stop until they see the destruction of the United States and the Western way of life.

BECKEL: The reason Osama bin Laden did well because we did terribly. We didn't have --


PERINO: We walked away.

GUTFELD: But these two angles are correct. The philosophy which I think is part of the White House philosophy is you don't exaggerate the power of ghouls by paying attention to them because that makes them seem larger than they really are. However, you don't have to romanticize the horrors of these degenerates. You can still kill roaches without thinking how great they are.

The problem with this administration in the last six years or so, obsessed with internal problems within our borders so the external threats have been ignored for so long. In Obama's eyes, a pro-life Tea Partier is more of a threat than an imam with hooks for hands, because that's what he believes. He believes in hope and change within our borders. Therefore, externally, these things are allowed to fester and grow, until you see the -- what's going on in the hills.

BOLLING: You know what's an interesting compromise. A lot of people say let's not get involved in another ten-year war, but there are other ways of doing it. There are other ways of pushing back ISIS without the United States actually putting up 50,000, 60,000 troops on the ground.

You can support the Kurd, there's 100,000 Kurd troops you can support. You can go back and retrain or -- I don't know, refocus the Iraqi army. What? It's 200,000 Iraqi armies.

PERINO: They have to have confidence that we're going to be there.

BOLLING: Just hear me out for one second. So, there's 300,000 people in place in position trained --

BECKEL: Against 5,000.

BOLLING: That's 10,000, that with the right focus hopefully lend them a hand, give them the assistance they need, give them the money, the aid and the military might that they need. Let them fight it. Let them do it. Then, you're not the infidel killing fellow Muslims.

GUILFOYLE: Guess what? Cockroaches expect to be killed. OK? They know they are nasty.

And when you don't kill them, they are a little confused, and they excited, and they populate and breed more cockroaches. Snuff them out while you have a chance. Otherwise, you're going to live in regret in the future. We had the opportunity to do it, like we did to arm the Kurds and we didn't. Then, they have to come again begging for us while they're getting killed and genocide is happening on the mountain.

We know better. We know better.


BECKEL: This is not Gaza. It's not a place where Hamas can hide in the school buildings. You got ISIS, I think we do need to increase our bombing of them and we do need to increase probably special forces, but there's no reason for us nor is there a possibility of us going back in and putting a whole lot of soldiers on the ground and starting over. The Iraqi army --


PERINO: We could be beaten by a straw man army. Our will is being beaten by a straw man. No one is going to put 100,000 troops on the ground. No one is talking about that.

BECKEL: I know that. But why don't -- why are we sitting back here and not blaming the Iraqi army that we've trained?

PERINO: You know what? Because we don't have a luxury of doing that when you have 20,000 -- up to 20,000 foreign fighters with Western passports train by Assad's fighters that have become -- I didn't say it, Chuck Hagel said this is a force and dimension that the world has never seen before and it actually does have a direct impact on us.

GUILFOYLE: Right. So, now, do you believe it since it's coming from him?

GUTFELD: Imagine working for the Defense Department under President Obama. It's the least attractive priority in governance for him. It's like running the tofu stand at the county fair. No one is coming to you. You're alone.

So, what should -- I mean, he should be running really a PC and not a country. He has the soul of an IT worker. And that's why you -- his ambivalence energizes these guys.

When these guys, 10,000, 5,000, whatever, they have the will. We don't have the will because we telegraphed it. We should take them out.

BECKEL: They have the will, but 300,000 Iraqis and Kurds don't?

GUTFELD: We left too soon. We should have been training them.

GUILFOYLE: What did Dana say? It's about the psychological momentum, too. Let them know when they see those bombs coming down, that we are actually behind them, that we have their back, that we have their (INAUDIBLE). Without that they might feel defeated.

BOLLING: I'll give you another option. You know how the Iranians want us to green light all their stupid nuclear ambitions with power and whatnot. You want the green light on that.

You come down -- you come down -- this is -- you want to talk about ISIS really getting a signal. If the Iranians said ISIS enough, that's it, you're done here. That would be the --

PERINO: The Iranians then -- I mean, that could happen, right, because they support Abadi to do well because they want more of a bargaining chip with the United States at the table and they might get it because that's the way this all turning out.


BOLLING: Well, that's a good deal. Wouldn't that be a good deal?

PERINO: I don't think a deal with Iran, no.

GUTFELD: I still say, blame ISIS for global warming and you will get the EPA, yes. The celebrities will be out. They'll be out marching.


GUTFELD: Yoko Ono -- Yoko Ono will lead the charge against ISIS.

PERINO: All right.

GUTFELD: It's true.

PERINO: Coming up on -- that is a visual.

GUTFELD: It really is.

PERINO: Yoko Ono leading the charge against ISIS. FIVE fan Photoshop, work on that.

Coming up on "The Five," something much scarier than Shark Week, a threat greater to us all than what swims in the ocean. Greg will have us on our toes, next.


GUTFELD: Shark Week is here. You can thank "Jaws" for that. That flick, shark attack is common when really they are quite rare. But humans prefer their fears to be tangible, which is large threats are avoided.

Let's change that. Instead of Shark Week, why not --


GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

GUTFELD: After all, sharks may be scary but they won't end civilization. Sharks might want your foot, radical Islam wants your head on a stick.

So, here's the schedule. Monday let's begin with al Shabaab, a nasty bunch who slaughtered 67 in a Kenyan mall. And it wasn't because the Nike store ran out of shoes. It was because w ran from Allah.

Tuesday, we got Jemaah Islamiyah, Indonesian scum behind many bombings including a 2002 attack that killed 202 people. Their weapon of choice: potassium chloride and religion.

Wednesday, we got Boko Haram, killing hundreds in Nigeria and enslaving girls. Their weapons of choice were bullets, fear and YouTube.

Thursday, remember al Qaeda? The godfathers of gore, they knocked down the World Trade Center, bombed London and Madrid. Choice of weapons: planes, trains and automobiles.

And it's casualty Friday. Lashkar-e-Taiba unleashed the 2008 Mumbai attacks, killed 164 people with both bombings and shootings. They were truly varsity never jayvee.

Finally, it's ISIS Saturday. No one saw them coming. Well, except for everyone. Intent on a caliphate they are called the jayvee squad, but tell that to the headless.

Now, I've left out the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hezbollah. I figured six days is enough.

Oddly, there seems to be a really persistent thread that runs through all these terrors. Maybe they saw "Jaws." Say anything otherwise and that would be Islamophobic.

PERINO: Fantastic.

GUTFELD: Eric, remember when all we had to worry about were the Russians?


PERINO: We forgot about the Russians.

GUTFELD: Remember, I want the Cold War.

GUILFOYLE: Putin is going to be mad at you.

BOLLING: Scarier and scarier. Yes, you're 100 percent right. You forgot Sunday. Sunday is a day of rest.

GUTFELD: I did. For us, it was.

BOLLING: There's so many others you can plug in on Sunday.

Look, you're 100 percent right. It's spreading. A caliphate -- I'm not sure it's caliphate, but it's spreading. Is it any worse than it was 20 or 30 years ago? I'm not sure. It's been bad for a long time. They've been fighting for 3,000 years.

GUTFELD: Yes. You know what's great? But now, they have technology. See, they are against technology.

Yes, they are against technology but now they use planes. They want to go back to the sixth, seventh century but they use planes to kill us.

BOLLING: But my point is, technology, are we seeing it more of it? Because it's YouTube and it's our cell phones. Are we seeing it more? It's like that old thing. Is crime going up or are we just seeing -- is violent crime going up? Or are we just seeing more? I'm not sure.

PERINO: I think the attacks are more catastrophic and also the potential for them to get their hands, one of those terrorist groups get their hands on a biological or nuclear weapon is so great that I think what you just laid, though, is that we are in the middle of World War III. We just don't call it that yet.


PERINO: But that -- and I -- I think the only way for us to win is to be better, smarter and stronger and not just militarily but economically as well.

GUTFELD: K.G., do you believe we should have a terror week and would you host it?

GUILFOYLE: I would gladly host it. I would welcome the opportunity.

BOLLING: With Bob.

GUILFOYLE: Bob and I, there will be a midnight kiss when we defeat terror completely.

But you know it's a bad situation when even the pope was calling for their head.

GUTFELD: I know.

GUILFOYLE: The pope was like, forget the New Testament, we're going Old Testament against terror. That's when I know we're on the right side.

I mean, really, he's coming out against it. This is something that needs to have attention. We were behind the ball already. So, let's get out in front of it. I think it's very clear and very obvious the choices.

GUTFELD: Bob, Kimberly raises the good point -- the Vatican demand his Muslim counterparts to condemn these Islamic states or they're going to lose credibility. Do you think they will listen?

BECKEL: Well, I would hope they listen some, but it took the Vatican a long time to get to that specific statement. But once again the Muslims are not paying attention to it because they are afraid of it.

Now, do I think it's World War III? No. Do I think we vastly overrate these thugs? Yes.

Do I think they can pull off again a 9/11 the way they did before? The answer is I don't think they can pull it off.

GUILFOYLE: Yes, you do think.


BECKEL: Look like idiots from a psychiatric institute.

PERINO: Better.


PERINO: Terrorists.

BECKEL: What are you talking about?


GUTFELD: This is the best. Speaking of Muslim leaders speaking up about terror, Hannity had a man on and was asking him about the existence of terror.


SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS: Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS, the Muslim Brotherhood, al Qaeda, ISIL, Islamic Jihad, you agree with me they are all terror groups, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't know these groups.

HANNITY: You don't know anything about those groups? Is al Qaeda a terror group?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't know al Qaeda.


GUTFELD: All right. Well, here's --

PERINO: You don't know al Qaeda.

GUTFELD: Thinking of al Qaeda, I was thinking about this, you know, when we were told that al Qaeda -- was it really just overrun by its competitors? It seems like it was less important as these feigns --

PERINO: That's what -- well, I'm going to mention General Michael Flynn who just left the Defense Intelligence Agency, that's what he was saying, is that he'd been involved in the counterterrorism efforts from our government for a long time, and that decapitating works for a while.

And they celebrate death, right? They get to heaven through killing Westerners, Western civilization. They hate our way of life. So, they are not going to stop.

I think the only way for us to fight them is for to be more determined, right? Because we fight to live, that is why we're fighting for a better way of life.

BOLLING: Do we -- look, I don't want to open up a can of worms here but do we fight them on all the fronts? You went through six different groups and left three for another day. I mean all of those groups -- I don't think we have --

GUTFELD: I think we have to get them before they get here.


PERINO: A lot of it is financial, cutting off their money.

BOLLING: I love that idea.

GUILFOYLE: There's a way to do it. Smart, I'm telling you.

BOLLING: One quick though, the way to do it. There's one common denominator and it's not anything about Muslim or Islam, or anything like that. Common denominator is Iran. Iran funds a good percentage --

GUILFOYLE: Yes, but you got to cut off the money.

BOLLING: Agreed.

GUILFOYLE: There you go.

BECKEL: Terrorism has been around a long time. You forget the Puerto Ricans shot up the House of Representatives in 1951. There's been terrorism for a long time.

GUILFOYLE: What are you talking about the Puerto Ricans now?

BECKEL: The Puerto Ricans, yes, they did.

There was a Puerto Rican terrorist group that shot up the House of Representatives. Go to your history. Read it. You'll see it.

GUTFELD: All right.

GUILFOYLE: I understand. I'm aware of the history. Why did you jump on the Puerto Ricans?

BECKEL: Because I'm talking about terrorism being around a long time. You could cower ourselves, into keeping, locking all of our government doors, putting up jersey barricades everywhere, and we're overestimating this, and we're overestimating our ability, finally, to intercept these people.

You think somebody with a Muslim name, is a young guy is going to get through any airport in America? Absolutely not. They didn't in the 19 --

GUILFOYLE: Well, they just have one this weekend.

GUTFELD: Next on "The Five," a joint practice between the Cowboys and Raiders turns ugly. A fan gets caught in the chaos after a brawl broke out on the field. Details ahead.


BOLLING: Going back to the fastest seven minutes in news. We have a hot block today. Three fiery stories, seven feverish minutes, one febrile host.

First up, this video is awesome. Check it out for some dumb reason the Dallas Cowboys and Oakland Raiders held a joint practice yesterday in Oxnard, California, where gangs live. Police were present just in case the gang-bangers got out of control.

But it wasn't the gangs that the cops should have been concerned about. Behold, boys being boys.




GUILFOYLE: Oh, my gosh.

BOLLING: OK. Well, you start it. Go ahead.

GUILFOYLE: I mean, this is no surprise to me. I grew up knowing one thing: don't date an Oakland Raider. They are the bad boys of the NFL. No good can come of it. This is what happens.

They always draw the most penalties the whole deal. I'm not -- I mean, there's two sides to everything, but no surprise.

BOLLING: So, no Raider nation for you.

GUILFOYLE: No, baby, forever.


BECKEL: They are a bunch of beefs and they're acting like a bunch of idiots.

GUILFOYLE: Are you bleeping yourself, self-bleeping?

BECKEL: Yes, I am. Of course, let someone start doing that.


BECKEL: I got (INAUDIBLE) politically correct, I think that's wonderful footage to run because they are all idiots.

BOLLING: OK. Dana -- Dana, go ahead.

PERINO: I wrote -- well, the thing is I don't want to copy you, because I wrote down boys will be boys. I was thinking about how from February to now, there was no football really and so --

BOLLING: So sad.

PERINO: I kind of miss the ball when it goes away, but now I'm like, oh, here it comes again.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, really?

PERINO: Yes, because that means the days are going to get shorter, and then it's going to be cold.

GUILFOYLE: I know, but a good idea for Sunday nights, your crock pot.

BOLLING: What if we did -- I don't know, we did a practice show with someone from MSNBC. I don't know. Wouldn't we end up in a big brawl like that?

GUTFELD: Yes. But is it necessary to brawl during a football game? It's like snacking during dinner. I mean, you don't need it.

BECKEL: Practice.

GUTFELD: But by the way, I have to argue with you on the Raiders.


GUTFELD: 1976, Stabler, Casper, Biletnikoff, Hendricks, Matuszak, Tatum, Upshaw, Art Shell...

GUILFOYLE: Oh, I remember Matuszak.

GUTFELD: ... Cliff Branch.

BOLLING: I know.

GUTFELD: Mark van Eeghen. Mark van Eeghen. The greatest Super Bowl team ever.

GUILFOYLE: No, he hasn't...

GUTFELD: I loved it.

BECKEL: Bleeping idiots in all football.

BOLLING: Let's move on to our next up. Jimmy Fallon is crushing it at late night.

GUILFOYLE: Forty-Niners.

BOLLING: Check out Fallon making some very poignant and accurate observation about the similarities and differences between Hillary Clinton and President Obama. Watch.


JIMMY FALLON, HOST, NBC'S "THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH JIMMY FALLON": Next up it's height. For Hillary it's 5'7." For Obama it's 2009. After that there's biggest inspiration. Hillary's is John F. Kennedy. Obama's is that guy in the Corona commercial who gets an important call and throws the phone into the ocean.

And finally, we have personal motto. Hillary Clinton's is "2016 Can't get here fast enough." Obama's is "Ditto."

So I guess they're not that different after all.


PERINO: Still, it's kind. Still...

GUILFOYLE: That was, like, not even mean.

The sad thing is we flock to these bits like geese after stale bread crumbs. Because it's so rare. We know once that once there's a Republican in the picture for 2016, all sniping at the Democrats will cease, and the wagons will circle. And nobody ever gets hurt.

BOLLING: Isn't there a lot of comic material with Hillary Clinton between Bill and all the things...

GUTFELD: Whoever comes up against her will get it.

BOLLING: Yes, yes, go.

BECKEL: I was going to say, there's so much comic material surrounding Republicans. I mean you couldn't miss...

BASH: It writes itself.

GUTFELD: Yes, and because the Democrats are so perfect.

BECKEL: Well, they're pretty -- Compared to those idiots.

GUTFELD: Compared to Obama. The most incompetent president.

BECKEL: Oh, come on.

GUTFELD: Yes. Incompetent.

GUILFOYLE: That was so nice. I'm with Dana. That's totally nice. I don't know.

BECKEL: Yours.

GUTFELD: Lincoln was a great president.

GUILFOYLE: And you like Jimmy Fallon. I still love Jay Leno and Jimmy Kimmel.

BOLLING: So Do you think he's cutting Democrats slack?


BOLLING: All right. How about this one? Robin Williams' death left a big gaping hole in the hearts of many. Check out how late night comedians handled the loss of one of the most talented men to ever walk the earth.


SETH MYERS, HOST, NBC'S "THE LATE SHOW WITH SETH MYERS": We just want to say that we miss Robin. We're also very lucky to have had -- had him at all.

FALLON: We like all of you were shaken up a bit last night. Genius comedian and actor Robin Williams passed away. And you watched him, and you would cry laughing. He was like the Mohamed Ali of comedy.

CONAN O'BRIEN, HOST, TBS'S "CONAN": Five years ago I went through publicly kind of a bump in the road. Out of the blue, Robin Williams buys me a bicycle. He's the first person to buy me a bicycle since my parents bought me a bicycle. And so often I would just look at that silly bike and think what a wonderful spirit.


BOLLING: So Bobby, here's the question. There was a lot of coverage of Robin Williams when he passed. There was a lot of coverage the following day. There's a smattering of coverage today. Are our attention spans so short that, as of tomorrow, no one's going to cover Robin Williams?

BECKEL: I think it's going to run a little longer. Look, in the midst of all that we're putting up with in this world today, this is the guy that brought laughter, you know? Laughter is such an incredibly smooth -- it's the one thing we need more of.

And he -- the sad part of it is to know that behind that laughter there was a -- somebody who was very, very sad and depressed. But I think this -- I tell you, like I said yesterday, Princess Diana, John Lennon, Robin Williams, they all deserve that much -- those are the three big ones.

GUTFELD: Dom DeLuise.

BECKEL: Well, I'm not sure about that.

BOLLING: Kimberly.


BOLLING: Let me ask you. A lot of the debate back and forth going today was whether or not he killed himself because of money problems. I mean...

GUILFOYLE: I don't believe that for a minute. I don't believe that for a minute. And I don't think anybody in his family or anyone who knew him well would believe that. This is a man who was rich because he had tremendous generosity of spirit and humor, and he went out of his way to make people feel better about themselves, no matter what kind of day they were having.

He was incredibly supportive to many charities. I worked on a number of them with him. You know, I thought he was great. I mean, to meet him was to just truly be inspired by someone who was always giving back.

BOLLING: Thoughts on...

GUTFELD: Well, I mean, he is the pope for comedians. You know, he's the guy that shows up. When he shows up everybody just stops, and he's very friendly, so it's no wonder. It's devastating to those people who influenced him. Just have to be careful about extravagant tributes, because...


GUTFELD: ... people fantasize about such responses in their own lives, and, you know, that's...

BOLLING: Copy cats?


GUILFOYLE: I feel bad for his children.

BOLLING: Anybody in the wings that could take -- fill his shoes, partially, at least?

GUTFELD: No. He was pretty -- he was one-of-a-kind.


PERINO: I liked the story that Conan O'Brien told. And I think it is a good reminder that, you know, you can pass on the suicide hotline number and all sorts of other things. But that one story about just a random act of kindness when somebody is down, like to do something really nice for them. That's something we should all keep in mind once in a while.

BOLLING: Even in a kind act, he was wildly creative. Right?


BOLLING: A bicycle. Who would think to give someone a bicycle?

All right. Ahead Dr. Ben Carson warns looters in Missouri to be careful about jumping to conclusions about the police before they know all the facts. You're going to hear from the doctor next.


GUILFOYLE: Another night of unrest in Ferguson, Missouri, after a black teen was shot and killed during a confrontation with a cop on Saturday. Police are asking protestors to peacefully rally only during the day to ensure everyone's safety.

The identity of the officer who shot 18-year-old Michael Brown is still not being released, and Ben Carson is cautioning rioters not to rush to judgment before all the facts are out.


BEN CARSON: How can you possibly even understand how these parents feel? But at the same time, we also need to recognize that police are individuals, too. They have feelings also. And we need to hear from this police officer. We need to understand why did he decide to shoot to kill instead of shoot to stop?


GUILFOYLE: That's what an investigation is for. Whenever you're an officer involved in a shooting like this, they do what's called an officer involved shooting investigation. They'll do -- put together a murder book, find out whether or not any charges should be filed.

And that's the job of the investigators to do this and determine whether or not it was a valid shooting meaning accidental and not some kind of manslaughter, homicide, et cetera.

BOLLING: Yes, and a couple of the facts surrounding going what's going on now.

There was a group that leaked the name and phone number and address of the -- the chief of police of Ferguson, Missouri. His family is all nervous now. They're getting death threats, as well.

So really, honestly Dr. Carson is right. Let's just wait and see what happens. If there's something wrong that happened then prosecute. I think Eric Holder has announced that he's going to take a look into it, as well. So, we'll get the facts.

But in the meantime looting and rioting is just absolutely plainly stupid and shouldn't be done.

PERINO: This is just so far out of my experience and expertise that all I know what to do is trust the authorities, whether that be at the justice department and the attorney general and also the police officers. I agree that no one wants an escalation, but I just have to believe that the police officers are trying to handle the situation as appropriately as possible right now.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Greg?

GUTFELD: In matters of race you can always count on the media to make it worse. And every talking head that's asked to be on a show has to come up with a position or else they won't be on TV shows.

And so the culprits are all of this is the "us versus them" machine, as if every issue is mandated by law to have two sides when there might be five; there might be ten different sides.

Why do I have to pick a side? Why do I have to say that I'm pro- police. Why do I have to say I'm with -- I'm with the protesters? Why can't I say, "We need calm and justice." That's all you have to say.

This is the reason why we saw so much crap with the Trayvon Martin stuff because people need to fill the buckets of news with information, and it gins up more outrage when, in fact, you can just say why does it have to be them versus them? Why can't we just say we want the same thing?

GUILFOYLE: What about that, Bob?

BECKEL: I find it amazing the name of this policeman hasn't leaked. That's incredible to me. Four days this has gone on.

The other thing I think we ought to underscore here is the people who are protesting, and rightfully so, I mean, there's been a history of this, and the guy may be just fine. I wish he would speak out.

But the fact is that the number of looters are very small compared to the community at large, and yet the number of camera people are with the looters and not with the peaceful protesters which is too bad.

GUILFOYLE; You feel that maybe perhaps they are fueling the situation and the unrest?

BECKEL: Sure. I mean, I think they're feeding into a stereotype of a poor black neighborhood where everybody goes in whenever there's an opportunity and rouse people. Yes, there are people who do that. People in the white community would do that.

The problem is, they're not taking into account right down the street from where the drivers (ph) were taking place, there were thousands of people gathering in a memorial for this kid. And yet, they took the cameras down where they broke into stores.

GUTFELD: Tonight I have a question for you. Kimberly, because you're smarter than me.

GUILFOYLE: I know you're looking at the same gear in the city streets that you would normally see on patrol in Afghanistan. You see -- there used to be just one SWAT Team. Everybody looks like they're -- it's SWAT. And they're wearing camouflage in the city.

Is there a theory behind this, in the sense that, if you look intimidating, the conflict will be resolved without actual conflict? Because that's the only thing I'm thinking. Now, if you see something that scary you stop.

GUILFOYLE: But it's also special protection for the officers. It's their riot gear. And I think it does have beyond the tactical effect; it has the psychological effect. So they're being well-equipped. They have to protect themselves with extra body gear.

GUTFELD: Right. Body armor makes sense.

GUILFOYLE: Because in a situation like this you're kind of out in the open. You're exposed. You're not necessarily in your vehicle, which provides a layer of protection. So you can get somebody to come at you behind all angles. You're quite vulnerable in the field in that sense, that they have a responsibility to make sure their officers are safe.

BAIER: I told you she would have the answer.

PERINO: Great question.

GUILFOYLE; Up next, does "The Five" know how to flirt? You're about to find out. How's that for a tease?


BECKEL: Trouble. Now, a new study out about flirting, and apparently there's some misconceptions about flirting, that you don't necessarily have to be the best looking man or woman to be successful or score.

And in my case, I like to consider myself a ladies man, but I'm not exactly what you'd call the most handsome guy in the world. But I do score on occasion.

Now, I'm going to turn to the biggest flirt...

GUILFOYLE: Wait a minute.

BECKEL: I want to turn to the biggest flirt on "The Five" and ask what your best flirtatious moves are -- Dana.

PERINO: If you went to Kimberly, I was going to be very offended. Although I did write, "Ask K.G. She's the expert." She is. You're the best flirter I know.

GUILFOYLE: Thank you so much.

BECKEL: Yes but...


GUILFOYLE: No, it's not.

PERINO: Is Bob a flirt? Am I a flirt? What is the question?

BOLLING: No. What's your best flirting move.

PERINO: oh, I don't really have -- no.

BECKEL: All right. Greg? You remember when you flirted last?

GUTFELD: No, you know what? This study is bogus. Because if ikimf flirting as a variable remains constant, then looks will always win. Physical beauty signals unavailability, basically saying, "I'm out of your league." Flirtation says you've got a chance. Has nothing to do with attraction but availability.


GUTFELD: So, if you make -- if you make flirting constant, like to Kimberly, who -- if both me and George Clooney were flirting with you, you would choose Clooney. So flirting means nothing.

PERINO: You gave this a lot of thought.

GUILFOYLE: That's interesting.

BECKEL: Yes. Who would you pick?

GUILFOYLE: Who would I pick?


GUILFOYLE: You mean Clooney or Gutfeld?

GUTFELD: Come on. Rosemary Clooney.

GUILFOYLE: Is this, like, mean-spirited day?

BECKEL: You're talking about flirting. You said it sounded like I was giving you a hard time. You're the one that asked me in the break about the...

GUTFELD: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.


GUTFELD: Bob, remember when you said to us...

GUILFOYLE: Hover over the button.

GUTFELD: ... please touch you off before you get into trouble? We're doing it.

BECKEL: Is that what it was?


BECKEL: It was a money something.

It also says in this study.

GUILFOYLE: I'm going to purify your mind for a second. Hard to do, but I think it's in the eyes.

BECKEL: I see. Right.

PERINO: Flirting is in the eyes?

BECKEL: They say that...

GUILFOYLE: In the eyes and a little swagger when you leave the room.

BECKEL: ... a woman who is not so good looking. She walks away and doesn't pay any attention to you. Now Eric, this happened to you years ago before you got whipped.

BOLLING: It's been a while.

BECKEL: But do you remember it was not necessarily the best looking girl. If you saw a woman who was, like, an eight but she was available, sending out signals she was available...

BOLLING: Can I go the other way?

GUTFELD: Yes, please do.

BOLLING: Like -- no, no, no. Like...

PERINO: What did you say, Mom?

BOLLING: As I recall my wife, I saw her across -- she wasn't my wife. I'd never met her before, and I saw her across the room. Some guy was hitting on her. He was flirting, you know, full force. And I walked by and I heard, like, the worst pick-up line ever. And I just waited for, like, the opportunity. He turned away or he ordered a drink someplace, and I said, "Is that line going to work with you?" And that was it. And that's where it happened.

GUILFOYLE: But you're kind of out alpha male.

PERINO: I did flirt on the airplane when I met Peter.

GUILFOYLE: You did, Dana.

BECKEL: You did? What happened on that? Who flirted first?

PERINO: Well, he asked me if he could put my bag up above in a British accent. British accent is the No. 1 thing that women, American women like. But then I didn't let him put my bag up above, because my feet don't reach the floor of the airplane. And I like it there so I can use as a foot rest.

BECKEL: Did you tell him that?

PERINO: Later.

BECKEL: Oh, I see.

PERINO: Years later.

BECKEL: Greg, tell us about how you flirted with your wife the first time?

GUTFELD: I actually -- I don't think I did. Just -- because we just -- we were at a conference together.

PERINO: She's Russian. She doesn't have to flirt.

GUTFELD: I just stared at her for three days. And then I got drunk, and I went up to her and I told her she was hot. And she said, "I would have expected more from you."

GUILFOYLE: She still says that.

GUTFELD: Yes, every day.

BECKEL: Well, how do you know when a woman is attracted to you?

GUTFELD: When she's not pressing charges.

BECKEL: I won't do that because it gets me beat (ph)...


BOLLING: When she's not pressing charges.

GUILFOYLE: Dana, give it up. That was amazing. I love it.

BECKEL: There's only been a very few of those, by the way. The only time a woman flirted with me is when she divorced me.

OK. "One More Thing is up next. If you take multiple medications, a dry mouth can be a common side effect.


PERINO: It's time now for "One More Thing." And we're going to start with Greg.

GUTFELD: All right. It's time for...


GUTFELD: Greg's secrets to happiness.


GUTFELD: So, you know, let's roll this tape here.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

GUTFELD: When you have idle hands it leads to nothing but destruction, self-destruction, looting, terrible things. However, one of the key solutions is sports and recreation. I have it on good authority that this goat, if he wasn't playing soccer, would have knocked over a liquor store. Instead, he got himself involved in school sports, learned a trade and now is married and has three children and runs his own aerobic...

PERINO: You think he does? He does have three children.

GUTFELD: Three kids.

PERINO: Three kids!

GUTFELD: Well done, little one.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, you know, you're such a kidder.

GUTFELD: Anyway, there's a lesson in that. OK. I think that we'll figure out what that lesson is after the show.

GUTFELD: It was cute stuff.

PERINO: K.G. is next.

GUILFOYLE: OK. I have a good one. And it doesn't involve the royals, although American royalty, Madonna. So all 16 of the icons that were named dropped in Madonna's "Vogue" are now gone with the passing of Lauren Bacall, who was the last one on the list mentioned who just passed away.

PERINO: Yes, she was beautiful. Gorgeous woman -- Eric.

BOLLING: OK, so my original "One More Thing" got bumped for whatever reason. But I'm going to do this. This morning I was on "FOX & Friends" and there was a 13-year-old girl who is only the 17th female to enter the Little League World Series, I'm sorry, in 70 years of that championship.

Her name is Mornet (ph) Davis. She throws a 70 mile-an-hour fast ball and a bunch of curveballs, and she challenged me that if they win she was going to pitch me and see if I could hit against her.

GUILFOYLE: Do you have -- are you nervous?

BOLLING: We don't have a picture of this. You know what? I'm going to -- I'm going to point to center-field and hit one out. What do you think?

GUILFOYLE: I know what you're going to do. You're going to go to the batting cages.

BOLLING: Yes, I am.

BECKEL: I will give you $500.

BOLLING: To strike me out?

BECKEL: I'll throw 500 on top of that.

PERINO: Anybody else in? Anybody else in? OK.

GUTFELD: Ten bucks.

PERINO: All right. Bob, you're next.

BECKEL: The -- well, first of all, my "One More Thing" was also taken away but had to do with pictures. Sara Moynihan -- I think I pronounced that right. Moynihan, who is a young lady who got a double heart lung transplant where the government said you couldn't do it because it was adult lungs. She got it finally, and she blew out the candles recently on her 12th birthday. Congratulations.

BOLLING: Amen. Amen.

GUILFOYLE: God bless her. That's a very great story. Great, Bob.

PERINO: OK. My "One More thing" got bumped, too, because Peter, my husband...

GUILFOYLE: What is going on here?

PERINO: If you scene me something that's so funny and cute for "One More Thing" it has to be real and not a hoax. OK? There's that.

So instead I'm going to to tell you about something else. If you go to One.org, one campaign which deals with HIV, poverty all around the world started by Bono, I got to be the curator for this month, talking about women and girls. There's a lot to be concerned about in Africa, but there's a lot of hope and promise, too, and you can read about it at One.org.

All right. Bret Baier is next. Don't miss "The Five" tomorrow. We'll be back.

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