This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 23, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Natalee Holloway has been missing for nearly a month, and investigators still have no idea where she is. Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, two of the young men seen leaving in Aruban bar with Natalee the night she disappeared, have been in jail for two weeks.

Earlier today, we got an exclusive interview with their mother, Nadira Ramirez. She told us about the night Natalee vanished.


NADIRA RAMIREZ, SATISH AND DEEPAK KALPOE'S MOTHER: They always come clean to me. You know, they are soft. They are not really scared of me, but I have them in line with everything. I have to know where they go, what time they come. You know, I keep controlling them, calling them, my cell always with me.

And then he start to tell me that, Mom, you know the girl that's missing. Maybe you guys read the paper and news and all those things. I said, Yes. And like, you know, I said, What do you know about this? And then he said that we give that girl a lift that night. So then I said, What, you know? Then he said, Don't be scared, Mom, that, We know we didn't do nothing. It's just a lift Joran asked us to give him and her, or something like that.

And I start to find out everything, and I said that, So what is it now? He said, Well, I think he went already to the police, or, like, investigation and those things, and maybe we will come over or ask you guys, and so, but we are telling you that it's just a lift. We don't know her at all.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know where your boys met up with Joran?

RAMIREZ: OK, I know that Deepak was working that day. And normally, he works, like, until 11: 30. Depends how busy is the place because it's one man running that place. If he's on that shift, he have to close.

VAN SUSTEREN: At the Internet cafe.

RAMIREZ: At the Internet cafe. So depends how if it's busy. If they paid down (ph) for some hours and they're not finished, then he just wait on them, like, it don't make any difference for 10 minutes on those things. So I assessed, like, maybe 11: 30. Maybe he's finished 11: 30. So I don't know. He told me that Joran called him and asked him that he need a lift.

VAN SUSTEREN: From the home to Carlos and Charlie's?

RAMIREZ: I don't know what he told him, but he just said that, Deepak I need a lift, if you can give me a lift or — and then maybe he asked him where or whatever. And why Satish is with him, because he don't go with his car to work. He love his car so much, that if it's a scratch, is a war (ph) in this house. And so he leave his car home. And like, his brother keep contacting him, What time you can pick me up, you know, like...


RAMIREZ: Yes. Or he know his time, like, five to 11: 00 or 10 to 11: 00, something like that, he comes out. And then he sit and wait in the car for his brother.

VAN SUSTEREN: So Deepak doesn't have the car at work. He needs a ride from Satish?

RAMIREZ: No, it's his car.

VAN SUSTEREN: But — but Satish...

RAMIREZ: He don't go with his car to work. Satish drop him and bring back his car home.

VAN SUSTEREN: OK. So Satish is at home with Deepak's car and goes to pick up...

RAMIREZ: Pick him up every night, yes.


RAMIREZ: So he went there automatically. Maybe his brother said that, yes, Joran asked me for a lift, or tat-tat-tat. I don't know. And then that's why the two were together to go.

VAN SUSTEREN: So in all likelihood, we don't know for sure, but they probably picked him up at his home and then went back to Carlos and Charlie's?

RAMIREZ: I don't know where they reach each other. He just said that he asked us a lift. So I don't know if they go home and pick him up or they go to Carlos and Charlie's. Those really small things I can't say exact what is it.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did Satish and/or Deepak say about Natalee Holloway? What did they say about her? What do they remember?

RAMIREZ: What you really mean, while she was in Aruba or what she said or...

VAN SUSTEREN: Anything. What do they know about her, or what do they remember from that night?

RAMIREZ: They don't know nothing about her. Only they know that she was with Joran, and he ask him a lift to bring her down by the hotel, that she have to drop her off, and seeing (ph) that Joran is with them, and he said, OK, it's fine. What he said when she went in the car, did her friends call her or something. And he said, I stopped my car, that if she want to go, it's fine. It's not that, yes, we forced her, or not we, she was with Joran. My son said that she didn't even introduce herself to them, like, hi, I'm Natalee or whatever. She didn't talk a word with my two sons.

And she was more like friend with Joran. My two sons were in front. Deepak was driving, the next one other side, and Joran was at the back with her. And he didn't say anything. I mean, he's a boy. I mean, if he have her like a girlfriend, he didn't interrupt. He just drive up, and then...

VAN SUSTEREN: Was something going on in the back seat?

RAMIREZ: Yes. He said that they were kissing. And he was getting a little bit upset because he said that he didn't like it in his car, that if you want to make love, go and pay a hotel and go in a hotel room, not in my car.

And then he said my brothers told me, Satish, he's a little more soft and understanding. (INAUDIBLE) yes, they're coming out just — I don't want to say nothing. And then when they reach up somewhere, he said that — I think Natalee asked that she can see the lighthouse, that she have to leave tomorrow morning, and if they can drive her up there. But he said he don't know if he can go because his car is very low. But he went up. He tried. He said he didn't stop at all because she was drunk. And she was like, Hey, here I am. I want to go back to the hotel.

They turned around back, what they told me, and they dropped her off by the Holiday Inn. I said, You're sure? He said, Yes, we dropped her. And then they put Joran home, and then they come home. Now that I heard that the story changed. I asked Satish (INAUDIBLE) that Satish, why you guys lie to Mama? Said, Yes, he's our friend, and we tried to lie — that — just, you know, to cover him or something. I said, Are you sure? He said, Yes. Joran asked us to leave him by the Marriott beach with Natalee.

And that's all. They come home, and they said they don't know further.


VAN SUSTEREN: Up next "On the Record," we spoke with Anita and Paul van der Sloot just hours before Paul was arrested. More of our exclusive interview coming up.

Plus, we're going to hear from the uncle of the party boat deejay who was arrested last week.


VAN SUSTEREN: Tonight, we are live in Aruba. Paul Van Der Sloot was arrested today just hours after our exclusive interview with him and his wife Anita. Their son Joran has been in jail since June 9, along with Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. The three men were the last people seen with Natalee Holloway the night she disappeared. Now I asked Anita how well she knows Deepak and Satish.


ANITA VAN DER SLOOT, JORAN'S MOTHER: I met them a few times.

VAN SUSTEREN: Your impression of them?

A. VAN DER SLOOT: Nice guys, ordinary teenagers, yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Both friends of your son or was one more a friend and one is just a brother?

A. VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know if you can tell because Joran had a few real good friends who he would share everything with. These were just like mates that were passing by and talking about soccer. He didn't see them that often. He doesn't know them that long but he introduced them to us and we thought these are nice but one is more — the one who is passing by and his brother is not really known to me at all.

VAN SUSTEREN: One of the things that you told me yesterday is that you have a house rule that when he came home with his father the night of May 29, his father picked him up at the McDonald's he sneaked out. Did that violate the house rules?


VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know if he'd been doing other things behind your back? I mean is it possible that you just don't...

A. VAN DER SLOOT: No, I don't know.

VAN SUSTEREN: You're the loving mother. I mean is that possible?

A. VAN DER SLOOT: You know when I asked him when I was in Holland that weekend or a week because of a family celebration and when I spoke to him the first time I was so angry, so angry with him.

"Why did you sneak out of the house?" He said, "Mom, if you would have been there, I wouldn't even have thought about it." And my husband was deep asleep. He didn't hear anything.

So, I don't think Joran is someone who would do things against the house rules often. I don't think so. He's a normal teenager. You remember how you were when you were a teenager. I remember how I was when I was a 17-year-old. Of course you try to come home a little bit later every time.

But he was ready to stand on his own feet, so we gave him a little bit more freedom just to know that we trusted him and, yes, he could go out once a weekend and it was almost party time because they were in the middle of their exams and it was almost over. So, I don't see anything negative about that.

VAN SUSTEREN: What has been seized from this house?

A. VAN DER SLOOT: The first time it was one computer that we all use. There's no lock on it so we can see what the kids are doing, one laptop of my husband that he only uses for his work, my digital camera what was on my desk, not in Joran's room on my desk. And I just had a field trip with middle-schoolers and I took pictures of a sand sculpturing project that we were doing because I'm an art teacher and there were like maybe 20, 25 pictures on it and I told the police, listen, this is material I want to use for school but for the rest there's nothing on it. You can look at it but they took that too.

They took all kind of things from Joran, a little kind of an MP3 player. They took tapes, also a tape of his tennis, college tennis camp. And the second time they took — they did a house searching, the garden, the pool. They took the two cars.

VAN SUSTEREN: Have you gotten any of that material back?


VAN SUSTEREN: They still have it?

A. VAN DER SLOOT: They still have it.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know why they took even your computer or your husband's laptop?

A. VAN DER SLOOT: No, we have no clue.

VAN SUSTEREN: How about your digital camera, any idea?

A. VAN DER SLOOT: No, no clue, ridiculous.


VAN SUSTEREN: Coming up, party boat deejay Steve Croes was arrested on Friday. He was not with Natalee the night she disappeared so how is he connected to her disappearance? His uncle goes "On the Record" next.


VAN SUSTEREN: Tonight we are live in Aruba where five men are behind bars in connection with Natalee Holloway's disappearance. One of the suspects, party boat deejay Steve Croes, was arrested last Friday. We took our cameras to the house where Steve lives with his grandparents and spoke to his uncle who lives right next door.


VAN SUSTEREN: Have you talked to your nephew at all?


VAN SUSTEREN: What is your...

SOLOGNIER: My wife went to the courtroom this morning.

VAN SUSTEREN: Right. What did they say in court today?

SOLOGNIER: Nothing. Nothing. They can't say nothing. He can't speak to her.

VAN SUSTEREN: They won't let Steve Croes talk to his...

SOLOGNIER: No, nobody.


SOLOGNIER: I don't know. I have to ask the lawyer.

VAN SUSTEREN: Steve is not your son, he's your nephew, right?

SOLOGNIER: He's the nephew of my wife.

VAN SUSTEREN: Where is Steve's parents?

SOLOGNIER: In Curacao.

VAN SUSTEREN: And sorry, he lives next door with his grandmother?

SOLOGNIER: Grandmother, grandfather.

VAN SUSTEREN: With your wife's mother and father then?

SOLOGNIER: Yes, yes, yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: And his grandparents. Any idea why they picked him up?

SOLOGNIER: I don't know. I can't even.

VAN SUSTEREN: Are they telling you anything at all?

SOLOGNIER: Nothing. I know nothing about Steve.


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