This is a rush transcript from "The Five," August 15, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. I'm Andrea Tantaros, along with Bob Beckel, Eric Bolling, Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld.
It's 5 o'clock in New York City and this is "The Five."
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TANTAROS: Lots of breaking developments today out of Ferguson, Missouri.
Police have released this surveillance tape showing 18-year-old Michael Brown the night he was killed allegedly stealing cigars in a robbery. Police also identified the officer who shot Brown.
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THOMAS JACKSON, FERGUSON POLICE CHIEF: The officer that was involved in the shooting of Michael Brown was Darren Wilson. He's been a police officer for six years. He has had no disciplinary action taken against him. He was treated for injuries which occurred on Saturday.
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TANTAROS: And -- and this is big -- we're learning that Officer Wilson did not know the teenager was a robbery suspect before his run in with him on Saturday night.
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JACKSON: And we're thinking it was the same officer who handled the robbery as the -- as was involved in the shooting. That is not the case. There were two separate officers. This robbery does not relate to the initial contact between the officer and Michael Brown.
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TANTAROS: So, why did this Wilson initiate contact with Brown in the first place?
Chief Jackson says the officer was in the area coming off a sick case and stopped him because the teen was blocking traffic. Just moments ago, at a press conference, the Brown family attorney said that they still want answers because it doesn't make sense if he didn't know he was involved in the robbery, then why did he stop him, did he have probable cause?
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BROWN FAMILY ATTORNEY: We heard from the chief and we believe that certainly and the rest of the world sees it for what it is worth the pictures that were released and the video has nothing to do with what happened and how he was killed on that thing. That's very important, that people understand that and see it for what it's worth.
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TANTAROS: Still more questions than there are answers, Bob. Six days later, people are wondering why the police would release that surveillance footage in the stop and shop or in the store and bring up this alleged stealing of cigars.
Why do you think the police did that six days later? Was it to make sure they had all the information, or -- I was just reading some blogs, they said, oh, they are doing this to taint Brown?
BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Well, I -- certainly, I'll tell you my instinct is to taint Brown. The other thing is, if you follow this thing, they were supposedly blocking foot traffic, she was walking with his friend the officer pushed -- moved -- pushed him over to where he's standing and the kids had his hands up, according to a number of witnesses. If that's true and then he shot him, then this officer has a real problem.
The other thing that's amazing to me is, I understand that a lot of blacks don't want police officers in that area and it's 80 percent or 90 percent white officers, but the elected officials are all white in that area, so I find -- that's very unique. I can think of another place I thought about before in the country where you have such a large minority population -- and no, I mean no elected officials that are minority.
TANTAROS: And, Greg, we still don't have answers to what happened that night. I think we do have to bear with the police on some level because they have been busy quelling these riots. So, it's a little tough to get the investigation going when there's a dangerous situation in Ferguson.
GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Yes, an assessment can only be made once you have all the facts and we're not there. I think, you know, because of the media treat these stories, it feels like life should be an episode of "Law and Order" where you have -- where it follows a distinct pattern with dramatic interludes of music and then at the end everything is wrapped up. It's not that way.
The interesting point about this footage is that cameras end all ambiguity. We see this footage in the convenience store and it tells us something. Imagine if you had that kind of footage about conflict between the police officer and Brown later. Cameras actually equal justice, cameras equal peace and footage clears the fog, and I think we need to think about that, you know, because now, as you see more facts, it makes -- it takes the black and white, and it makes it gray, which is the way life is.
TANTAROS: Well, a lot of people are trying to make this, Dana, about black and white and trying to make this about race. Bob does points out there are racial divisions in this town. But I want to talk to you about the release of this information and what your take is from a press perspective.
So, six days later, you have this surveillance footage released. But it only was what? A couple of hours ago, four hours after that video was released that we learned from the police chief, four hours later that this police officer had no idea he was involved in the robbery. Why would they stagger them like that?
DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: The only thing I can imagine is that this is not something that the Ferguson PR department, Ferguson County, the police department is used to doing. I mean, these types of crisis communication things -- the reason you have crisis communicators on staff is usually because they are experienced in trying to release information.
I don't know -- maybe we'll find out there was a nefarious reason to try to release the tape. Truth is the tape was going to come out at some point, whether it was released by the police officers or by the owners of the business. At some point, we were going to find out more about Michael Brown. Maybe it should not have come from the police, but at some point that was going to come.
I also think that, Bob, to your point, there was one other statistic we haven't talked about in this town. The public high school graduation rate is about 69.8 percent. That is not good enough. That is one of the things when you talk about the soft bigotry of low expectations that it's in a community like that where school choice, reform, all that kind of effort, if you start at the beginning of somebody's life and I think there's probably a lot of agreement on that, then maybe you get to a point where you have police officers from that community, from all walks of life that are able to make it on the force. But right now, they are not there with the 69 percent --
BECKEL: I would imagine you have to have at least a high school degree to be on the police force, right?
PERINO: I'd imagine, or GED equivalent and go pass your test.
TANTAROS: Eric, a lot of people are frustrated and I get that because you look at this surveillance footage today and stealing a pack of cigarettes does not warrant somebody getting killed, and so you can imagine the outrage there. But everybody is up in arms, these rioters, these protests, you have civil rights leaders, nobody knows what happened after that what went down.
ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: I'm 100 percent in fact, I booked Kevin Johnson -- Jackson, I'm sorry, because I wanted him, he was the one who was saying keep calm let's get the facts. I talked to him. But then this information came out. I've been telling you, I've watching this stuff nonstop. This police captain, police chief, Thomas Jackson from Ferguson, at one point did say that the officers, Darren Wilson and other, were responding because there was a call away from -- they were doing the sick call. There was a robbery at the convenience store and they were responding.
At one point he said that. I heard him say that. Now, whether or not he backtracked on it the second time, I'm just baffled. But then taking it one step further and releasing this video that he says, quote, "I've been sitting on for six days," his words, and then releases the name Darren Wilson, I'm having a hard time saying this Ferguson police department really has bungled this thing and really is the basis for a lot of the angst in Ferguson.
Now, that said, Captain Ron Johnson who was assigned most recently, kept the peace last night. He kept the peace. And I'm sure he's scratching his head now, how am I supposed to handle this when the Ferguson police department is really -- listen, I think they're screwing it up.
They really need to sit down to get together and say, this is what happened, we'll be as transparent as we possibly can, we need to listen to the Brown attorneys and family, and ask for calm and peace, but here's all the information -- instead of this piecemeal release what they want to do and the way they are doing it is just -- it's terrible.
TANTAROS: I wouldn't necessarily critique them releasing the video a couple of days later, because Rudy Giuliani used to wait to put out all the information, because when he would race to put out all the information to get the facts out, people would criticize him, you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't. Oh, you're rushing to judgment, you're just throwing everything out there, so there is a delicate dance.
But I think you make a good point, Eric, it has been all over the place. I mean, why would they release a video and then hours later, this huge revelation that the officer had no idea he was involved in robbery?
BOLLING: Which is opposite of what he had said earlier. This morning, he said, I believe it's this morning, I've been listening to this stuff for days. At one point, words came out of that police chief's name, Johnson, he said they were responding because there was a robbery at a convenience store. They were on another call. But that's why.
So, if you make that leap, if you hear those words coming out of his mouth, you are saying, those officer left the sick call to respond to the convenience store and on the way, there's a suspect that matches the description, he had said the description was put out over the radio of the convenience store hold up or whatever it is, theft. So, he kind of implied and he may have even said it, but he at least implied that was the suspect they were looking for. That's why it was stopped.
Now, all of a sudden, this afternoon, he backtracked and said, oh, nothing to do with. It was all about blocking traffic.
TANTAROS: And Al Sharpton has been on the scene. He's been making comments on this for days. He says that we're not out of this yet. Take a listen.
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AL SHARPTON, NATIONAL ACTION NETWORK/MSNBC HOST: Let's not act like we solved the problem because we've now had the cop marching with the marchers. We still have an unarmed young man that was killed. We're not out of this yet. We even haven't had the funeral. What happens when these kids see their friends laying in the casket? I've been through this more than one time. We're not out of the emotions because we all of a sudden had one good night of marching.
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TANTAROS: Greg, we asked this question earlier, he may be exactly right -- we're not out of this yet because nobody knows what happened still. But when he weighs on it does it hurt situations like this because of his lack of credibility?
GUTFELD: Yes, before -- whenever you discuss Al Sharpton, you have to preface it with Al Sharpton's history. Freddie's fashion mart which ended in a number of deaths. You have the Tawana Brawley hoax. Those are the two big part of his history, that never should be forgotten about this charlatan.
So, there's a positive development here, one of the few positive developments from this tragedy. There are a growing number of sober voices that are drowning out Sharpton. He seems more marginal by the day.
If he actually cared he would stay away, because he actually harms the cause. When he shows up everyone moves away from him. He's like the stinky guy on the subway. But the stench is his history. So, when he shows up, people go, God, not him again. Please, we're actually getting somewhere -- and when you see people like Johnson, finally there are people you can listen to and you're getting away from the charlatans who were there to gin up outrage every day.
BECKEL: You know, the other is, for Sharpton to say we had one good night of marching, the fact is they had many good nights of marching. There were rioters who were out there who were not part of the march. And you almost want to say to Al -- Al, probably you thought it was one good night, probably wished it wasn't a good night, right?
It's almost as if you're saying, all the rest of the marches were riots but we had one good night. Maybe we'll get back to riots.
That's not the case. I said this yesterday, I'll say it again, there's a very small percentage number of people who committed these acts of violence.
TANTAROS: And it's tough to differentiate between the two, Dana, because there are peaceful marches, and then there's the riots. But, oftentimes, you look up and you say, Al Sharpton is weighing in. This is a big issue. He's contributing to this. Maybe he's not contributing to it at all.
PERINO: I think it's a great point about Al Sharpton being marginalized, because I think, maybe for the first time within this last year, when he has spoken, most people has sort of went, oh, God, not him again.
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GUTFELD: It's just us talking about him.
PERINO: And him talking about himself.
GUTFELD: Yes.
PERINO: And he gets a lot of media attention for it.
One thing I think is interesting about what this community will be doing next and I think the sober voices that you mentioned are the ones that have to look at this from a short, medium and long term perspective. The short term is, we're not out of the woods yet. All right. The immediate thing is to calm the situation down.
In the medium term, they're going to have to have a very transparent investigation, and they need to have a communicator that is disciplined enough not release information that they are not prepared to fully release so they don't have problems like today which undermine the confidence.
And then, in the long term, it's a question of can that community pull together to deal with not only the shooting and the peaceful protest and the rioting, but also what you saw in the videotape. I mean, that, when you -- if you're a small business owner, if you're sympathetic to the business owner, you think, why would the business owner want to be there? That's something that Ferguson doesn't want to have happened.
So, that's why I think there's three things that need happen simultaneously but they're not all in the same track.
BOLLING: And one more thing. When you release the information and you're transparent, when you get it, when it's ready and not hold -- quote- unquote, "I've been sitting on it," you also prevent things going on. I say one of the worst things that have happened besides the death of Michael Brown, twice now, there was a group that released the name of the officer, they thought the officer who shot --
GUTFELD: That's Anonymous.
BOLLING: OK. So they released this name and it wasn't him.
Then the second time we heard when the morning press conference, the officer's name Darren Wilson was released -- they were posting pictures of the wrong Darren Wilson who happens to be another cop in St. Louis.
So, you eliminate all this stuff. You just be open and transparent, and you won't hurt people. These people are really probably hurt now.
BECKEL: The other thing is we're guilty of it as every other network. The only video we're running is either glass being broken and people rioting a small percentage and we've seen at least six times so far this kid being thrown out of this convenience store.
Now that is a part of the story. That's true. But it is a small part of the story, and they are making it to be the story. And I think people out there better under just because we run video of this stuff, because we have nothing else to run apparently --
BOLLING: What else would you run?
BECKEL: Huh?
BOLLING: What else would you run?
BECKEL: Peaceful marchers. How is that for an idea?
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BOLLING: I think that was on TV today. We saw calm. We woke up this morning, calm night -- thanks to Ron Johnson.
BECKEL: I'm talking about the two nights in a row where they had town meetings where people did not get up and scream and yell. We didn't run that.
GUTFELD: But you know what? You can actually move beyond that microcosm to the macro level of stories in general. The priority and proportion of stories are changing. We don't even talk about MH-17, the Ukrainian plane. Robin Williams came and went in a flash. ISIS. The Nigerian girls, due to an insatiable desire for novelty.
Priority is a casualty. News is almost like pornography, disposal, replaceable. How do you make a story stick? I guarantee you: this story will be replaced by something else next week. That's the way it rolls.
TANTAROS: And the hottest footage, the rioting and surveillance video --
GUTFELD: Yes.
TANTAROS: -- irrespective of any facts, gets rolled over.
GUTFELD: Yes, knocks out the peaceful marching.
TANTAROS: OK. Up ahead, there's a lot of debate about the militarization of police in America following the response to the protests in Ferguson. We'll debate that next.
Plus, it's Facebook Friday, so send your questions now to Facebook.com/TheFiveFNC. You may have it answered. That's coming up.
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GUTFELD: It's the new outrage -- the militarization of the police. So, is all that gear out of proportion to the fear? Yes and no. Yes, in that I question sniper rifles pointed at the peaceful and camo seems a bit odd.
But then, again, where there are riots, you do need some riot gear. You can't stop anarchy with a stern look. Just weeks ago, people praised Israel's Iron Dome. The principle is the same, it's like an SAT question, the dome is incoming rockets as body armor is to Molotov cocktails.
During the looting, a store burned to the ground. I bet businesses didn't mind the arrival of this ominous cavalry. Those scary soldiers save their stores.
But I get the libertarian take. Their response is always don't. Never do. Which is great as a small government addict, I'm a huge fan of don't it's why I want a program, a robot to say no and then run for president.
But incidents like these are chaotic. No police officer wants to beat someone, tussle over a gun or resort to deadly force. So, maybe it's better to look scary than be scary. It's for your sake, not just theirs.
And really, you don't need a sniper rifle to maim or kill. Example, a retired cabbie in his 70s knocked out for no reason. Example, a pregnant woman knocked out for no reason. Example, the harmless Jeffrey Babbitt, one punch in the head in Union Square, dead for no reason.
Of course, a militarized police looks odd, but that look worse for all of us.
So, Dana, the Pentagon transferred half a billion just this year of equipment, 2013, it all came from Afghanistan and Iraq. Is it a good thing that it's used? Does it make sense? Does it have any place in a civilian context?
PERINO: I've been watching this debate for a few years because people have been sounding the alarm for a long time, mostly from the far right, I'd say the far right or on the libertarian side saying, why would any police community need this?
Now, this is farfetched but I'm just going to mention something. We talked about Ebola last week and the concern what happens if it spread. When I was involved in an exercise where we did this simulation of whether there was a pandemic flu --
GUTFELD: Right.
PERINO: -- what would happen if you had to close down a border in a state and need to contain that in a state or if people were clamoring for the one cure and it was only in Georgia and everybody was trying to get there. It seems farfetched and it seems over the top, I don't think it was needed in this case, but do police departments need some type of heavy equipment? I would argue yes.
GUTFELD: That's the problem. For peaceful protests, no. But for rioting, how can you deny the body odor? Body armor, not odor.
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BOLLING: But look what happened when Ron Johnson walked with the protesters without a helmet, without a vest. So, he calmed things down.
So, the theory is, use equal force, use equal defense with the amount of force you're probably going to see. I love the idea of using half a billion dollars that we've already spent giving it to SWAT teams around the country. I just don't think they should be deployed for peaceful protests -- OK, rioting, looting, cops can handle that. They can handle it with tear gas. They probably don't need be there on top of those big amphibious vehicles with guns aimed down.
Look, I back the police as well, but just -- you know, an equal response or appropriate response I would hope for.
GUTFELD: Bob, you know, the Senate is going to reviewing the militarization of police in the defense bill. Do you think this is going to change how -- change anything?
BECKEL: Not really. I think you got all this excess equipment and they're going to put it somewhere. They're not going to put in moth balls. And police departments who get it feel the need to use it.
But having said that, and sort of hard to put yourself in the position of a minority in a community like that, but it feeds into their view of what the police are like. You see these people coming down the street with these camouflage things and SWAT rifles and the rest of it, and saying, there they are, there's the cops they are after us.
Now, I think that -- first of all, the idea there was rioting, there were break-ins and burnings of buildings, that's true. You can conclude that's rioting. But the vast majority of the people were not involved in that and there was no reason to bring out the Patton and his army.
GUTFELD: I think though, but, Bob, to my -- there's some businesses that were grateful that they were there because it prevented it from spreading.
BECKEL: Well, maybe that's so. If I'm a business I suppose I could say that. If I was there to peacefully protest and I saw that crowd coming down the street, it would get me right angry.
GUTFELD: Yes. Andrea, so over 20 years violent crime has dropped, 42.8 percent. Probably little do with this. But doesn't this make look weirder, the fact that it's calmer but you still have this camo-clad sniper look?
TANTAROS: Yes, I'm less worried about the guys in fatigues and military guns and rifles and all that equipment, because I'm not on the ground there. I'm assuming if they make the decision to use this type of armor, it's because they definitely need it.
But I think it's probably more of a PR issue. You know, Bob makes a good point you see these people coming down the street. It doesn't look good.
I'm assuming, though, they figure, you know what? Who cares if it doesn't look good? It's better than a dead cop --
GUTFELD: Right.
TANTAROS: -- which is what they are trying to prevent. However, I do think there is an argument to be made that certain police forces, not all like the NYPD, has become part of its citizenry. Some police forces have not and view the citizens as the enemy.
More and more and -- that's why there are more libertarians coming out of the woodwork -- more and more police fundraisers are seeing the citizenry as the enemy. They're stopping them random traffic stops, right? Collecting license plates. Looking at people, do they have their seat belt on?
I think people are feeling intimidated by the police lately and they shouldn't be acting this way. And I think it's become the modern ethos of certain police departments. It is a concern.
BECKEL: It's a very, very good point.
GUTFELD: All right. On that note, next, President Obama has declared victory in Iraq to rescue Christian refugees from ISIS, but many remain trapped. Should the U.S. really be heading out?
Later, Facebook Friday --
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PERINO: Yesterday President Obama emerged from vacation to declare our mission in Iraq to rescue Yazidis a success.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The bottom line is that the situation on the mountain has greatly improved. Because of these efforts, we do not expect there to be an additional operation to evacuate people off the mountain, and it's unlikely that we're going to need to continue humanitarian air drops on the mountain.
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PERINO: But the country's Yazidi, minority and Kurdish officials say many refugees remain trapped, and help is very much still needed to battle ISIS. Retired four-star General Jack King says the U.S. needs to figure out a strategy against this growing terror network. Take a listen.
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GEN. JACK KING (RET.), U.S. ARMY: ISIS has freedom of movement and has the initiative. They are attacking right now, as we speak, in over six different locations inside Iraq, also attacking in Syria and also attacking in Lebanon. This is an organization that is usually ambitious, has competent leadership and is very determined. The fact of the matter is they're destabilizing the Middle East. We really desperately need a strategy.
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PERINO: And this just in from Iraq officials. They say ISIS has just now massacred 80 Yazidis in a northern Iraqi town. So those were the people that we were going in to try to help.
But I think, Andrea, one of the concerns I had when the president came out yesterday was that it felt very premature and, you know, look, learn from previous mistakes. Don't declare victory yet, especially when the next day 80 Yazidis are killed by ISIS. Does the president -- I guess does he even care that it looks like they are behind the eight ball?
TANTAROS: First I would say 80 is a pretty good number for a J.V. squad of terrorists, as Bob likes to point out. It's shocking that President Obama wouldn't, as you point out, learn from the past mistakes of past administrations, because he and his staff were very critical about criticizing your former boss for using the words "mission accomplished." To me, Dana, this sounded yesterday like a "mission accomplished."
PERINO: And it wasn't -- that's even apples and oranges.
TANTAROS: To sort of spike the football and say, "Our job here is done." However, he has made comments about terrorism before: al Qaeda being decimated when we know that that's not the truth either.
It's -- look, if defeating or obliterating ISIS is the goal, which he doesn't seem to be making that point, that that is the goal, we're far from that. It seems like he's just allowing an evacuation route for Yazidis.
If the goal is to get rid of -- is to save Christians or to save the Yazidis, I think this administration is a little too late. There have been major ethnic cleansing in any region that ISIS controls that have Christians, in Iraq and in Syria. This administration is way too late to the game.
So my question would be what is the mission? What are we doing? Is it obliterating ISIS? Is it saving the Yazidis? Is it both? Because what we're doing here doesn't seem to be, I don't think, helping either of those two goals.
PERINO: I talked to some geopolitical experts today who said that -- that what their biggest concern, is that not only is ISIS a very brutal organization, but they're operationally very good. I mean, Eric, this is not the Keystone Kops of suicide bombers. These are people that we actually should consider a very worthy adversary.
BOLLING: Not only that, even -- take that and add in the fact that they stole $1.2 billion, a lot of it in gold, from an Iraqi bank. And this one, they're stealing oil from Iraqi oil fields, Iraqi oil pipelines and selling it. They're raising $3 million a day, ABC is reporting $3 million a day going into that group. If you know anything about these terrorist groups, you're more likely to get more people joining up for you when you're paying them well. You're outfitting them well. You're giving them guns; you're giving them cell phones.
This group, as Andrew points out, ain't the J.V., and they're only going to get stronger unless you cut off the funding. I mean, that's -- first and foremost protect those oil fields.
PERINO: Greg, you have some history living in Britain, and they still talk about the former British prime minister, Neville Chamberlain, who claimed that after he met with Hitler, "Everything's going to be fine. There's going to be peace." And it turned out to be very wrong.
GUTFELD: Well, President Obama said recently he believes in no victor, no vanquish. If you tell that to ISIS, they might keep you alive just for comic relief.
On foreign policy Obama is like a shower head in a cheap hotel: very, very weak. And you have -- we do not have the luxury of deciding when America can sit out in a quarter of a game of good versus evil, because evil never sits out. There's no such thing as half measures.
Our military never loses if you give them the option of winning. If they have a mission and they're told the mission, they will go in there and they will do it, and they will relish it. But you just can't do drop, drop, drops.
PERINO: Interesting, yesterday, Bob, a few congressional members were asking to be brought back from recess so that they could vote on something we were talking -- you and I were talking about in the green room. Do you think the president is going to, at some point, going to have to go to Congress and say, "I need to reverse course here, and I need your authorization to do so."
BECKEL: Well, I don't know the answer to that. I would certainly hope not, but I don't think it's -- in fairness to the president, he was talking about the people who were refugees on the mountain.
Even the NGOs, the government -- non-government organizations, say that the pressure has been released on these people, and they are out of the mountains. What he's talking about ISIS what they did today in that town is horrible, but when you have a gutless Iraqi military who's not there, you can be a J.V. and kill 80 people when you've got no military there. I still come back from one question: Where's the gutless Iraqi military that we trained so well?
TANTAROS: It doesn't matter. Dana, I think...
BECKEL: It doesn't matter?
TANTAROS: Foreign policy managed, designed to manage a news cycle. This is why there's no strategy. Because the only thing President Obama wants to avoid is the headline that says ISIS slaughters women and children. That's all. That's all he wants to do. He knee-jerks to manage the news cycle.
BECKEL: Wait a minute. That was a policy in two administrations, including Obama's that said, "We're going to train the Iraqi army, and we're going to push them." They are gutlessly running with our equipment and leaving it behind. And so don't tell me this is all Obama's fault. The fact is, the Iraqis, we put our money on Maliki. He's a crook. He's a bum, and he finally got out. And look at these soldiers.
PERINO: You don't think that President Obama had anything to do with Maliki's re-election in 2010?
BECKEL: I think -- no. You guys said it was a fair and open election.
PERINO: Bob, you're making my point.
BECKEL: No, no. Where did Maliki come from? When was he put in?
PERINO: Maliki won an election. He won a re-election in 2010.
BECKEL: Where did he come from? Where was he originally introduced to Iraq?
PERINO: This is, like, the weirdest academic exercise that we're having this week.
BECKEL: Why?
PERINO: Why? Because does anything that you're saying actually matter? The fact that the Iraqi -- I can agree with you. The Iraqi army is not up to par. OK, fine. But now have all of these -- all of these ISIS terrorists that are overrunning the country.
BECKEL: Wait a minute. You keep saying there's no strategy. The strategy was to make these guys a strong army. There's supposedly 100,000 of them. If they can't take these guys on, they're gutless. And the strategy of your administration and my administration failed.
PERINO: OK, so then we have to do something about it.
BECKEL: That's right. Get rid of Maliki and people like that, who was put in there before Obama was elected.
PERINO: "Facebook Friday" -- And re-elected in 2010.
"Facebook Friday" next on "The Five." We are really looking forward to answering your questions.
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BOLLING: Time for "Facebook Friday." We're going to get right to it, because we don't have a lot of time. A lot of questions. First, two questions are for Bob. First up, from Mary F.: "Bob, did you attend Woodstock? Forty-fifth anniversary today, by the way."
BOLLING: Did I attend the anniversary? No. Did I attend it? Yes, with my brother, and it was terrible. It was rainy, and it was -- and the acid was bad.
BOLLING: Oh, good lord. All right. Also, Bob, from Cory W.: "Bob, my wife and I are having our first child in December. What tip can you give a soon-to-be dad?"
BECKEL: Well, I would hope maybe in you're in a position to hire a nanny, I'd do that. If -- if not, I certainly would just keep in mind that you better get used to a smell that will linger for a long, long time. And if you invite people from outside in, warn them at the door. Say, "Inside, baby."
BOLLING: All right. Very good. All right. Dana, from Bob R.: "Were you a member of a sorority during college and if so which one?"
PERINO: No, there were no -- I think there was one fraternity at our college and no sororities. It was not necessarily known as a party school.
BOLLING: Any clubs?
PERINO: I'm sure that surprises all of you.
BOLLING: Any fun activities? Baseball?
PERINO: Yes. There was Silver Saddles, I think.
GUTFELD: You were in speech -- you were in speech club.
PERINO: Country western -- country western dancing.
GUTFELD: You were in the speech club. Weren't you?
PERINO: Yes. The club? Speech team. Of course.
BECKEL: Did you do square dancing, too?
PERINO: We did not do square dancing.
BECKEL: Oh, you didn't?
PERINO: But I did go to -- to country music.
TANTAROS: You were in Silver Saddles?
PERINO: I went to Silver Saddles.
BOLLING: What is Silver Saddles, before we move on?
PERINO: It's a restaurant, like a bar. At Silver Saddles.
GUTFELD: She danced for tips.
PERINO: I did not.
GUTFELD: You had to go through dental hygiene school.
BOLLING: Do you follow any sports? Rodeo?
PERINO: Do I follow anything? Not really. I just -- I -- I'm like a buffet. I just sample.
BECKEL: Football hostess.
PERINO: I feel so traumatized by the last block.
BOLLING: For Greg, from Dawn Z.: "Are you working on another book?"
GUTFELD: Yes, I am, as a matter of fact. I am.
BOLLING: Is Dawn Z. your publicist?
GUTFELD: Yes, exactly.
PERINO: You were Dawn Z.
GUTFELD: You know what? I can't say what is it, because it's a surprise.
PERINO: It's brilliant, though.
GUTFELD: But it's going to change the way you think and also dress and smell.
BOLLING: All right, for Greg from Michael M.: "Is Greg really into punk music as much as I hope he is?"
GUTFELD: I -- it changed my life when I got the Clash and the Sex Pistols, '77, '76, and the Ramones. I shaved my head. I dressed like an idiot, and I did that for about four years.
BECKEL: What's changed?
GUTFELD: Thanks, Bob. No, but it changed music. And everything you listen to now is somewhat influenced by that movement.
PERINO: Why did it change your life?
TANTAROS: Why did you shave your head?
GUTFELD: No, I mean, I got it cropped. I used to have long hair, and then I cropped...
BOLLING: No mohawk, though.
TANTAROS: It changed your life; it changed the way you dressed. But it didn't change the way you smell. Unlike the new book?
GUTFELD: Exactly.
BOLLING: Very good. Ands, from Jill B.: "Andrea, I was also born in Allentown, Pennsylvania. What do you miss most about living there? I miss the Pennsylvania Dutch food."
TANTAROS: I miss the quiet. And I miss the cheap prices.
BECKEL: Have you been to Allentown?
TANTAROS: Don't knock Allentown. Greg and I both lived in Allentown. I grew up in Allentown. I would miss the peace and quiet. And everybody is really nice, and the prices are really low.
BOLLING: Very good.
GUTFELD: King George Hotel. Dorney Park.
TANTAROS: The Chicken Lounge. We talked about this before.
GUTFELD: The Sterling Hotel.
TANTAROS: Yes.
GUTFELD: Beers around the world, blintzes (ph).
TANTAROS: The Pied Piper.
BOLLING: This was for Andrea also from William M. I think we've asked her this before. "What's your favorite exercise and why?" Haven't we asked you this?
TANTAROS: Yes. I get this same question. My favorite exercise, I would say probably running. What's so funny about that?
BECKEL: I was going to -- I was going to guess.
TANTAROS: Oh, Bob, you sicko.
BECKEL: No, it wasn't that. I thought aerobics or yoga.
PERINO: Eric, this is from Christine M.: "If you had to change occupations what would you do?"
BECKEL: Do every TV show there are.
BOLLING: I would be in politics.
PERINO: "EB2016." Do you have an announcement to make?
BOLLING: No, do I not.
TANTAROS: Will you make it on this show?
BOLLING: You know what? It was baseball. It was trading, and it was TV. And the next thing absolutely would be politics. I love it.
PERINO: OK. And the next one is, "If you had to change" -- same one. "Eric, I love your watch. Who is your jeweler?"
BOLLING: My wife is my jeweler. She bought it for me.
BECKEL: That thing weighs about 30 pounds.
BOLLING: All right. We got to go.
PERINO: That's why it's got...
BOLLING: My "Fool of the Week" ahead on "The Five" and a programming note: We'll be back here again tonight, 8 p.m. Eastern.
BECKEL: Oh, yes, we will.
BOLLING: For about a half an hour on the unrest in Missouri. Don't miss that. Back in just a minute.
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BECKEL: Dana is still upset by the fact she got bleeped. Don't worry about it. I'm used to it.
America used to be a place where you knew everyone on your block. But a new survey reveals that over half of Americans don't even know the name of their neighbors anymore.
All right. Greg, do you know the name of your neighbors?
GUTFELD: Absolutely not. You know what? I was thinking about this. Remember old TV shows, a neighbor would stop by for a cup of sugar?
PERINO: Yes.
GUTFELD: I dare you to do that now. You will get maced. I sometimes do...
PERINO: No one in New York has sugar.
GUTFELD: Nobody has sugar. And generally, your neighbors aren't wearing pants. So it's weird.
BECKEL: Dana.
GUTFELD: There's a fear to intervene. People don't want to get involved.
BECKEL: Dana, when you were a kid growing up, you knew your neighbors, right?
PERINO: Yes. They were the Townsends. And they were a really lovely couple. They -- their children had already gone through college, so they were empty nesters, in a way. My sister and I used to go. We could do all sorts of things at their house. Jump on the bed. It was fun.
BECKEL: And you know the neighbors in your current apartment, don't you?
PERINO: I do, and we get along great.
BECKEL: Yes.
PERINO: I know all sorts of names. In fact, you met some at my birthday party.
BECKEL: It was the longest discussion I've ever had.
GUTFELD: Or it seemed like that.
BECKEL: No, they were nice people.
PERINO: Very nice people. Ethan (ph) and Allen, they were there.
BECKEL: Now do you know your beachfront neighbors?
BOLLING: Donny. Yes. Donny...
TANTAROS: He owns the house next to them. His name's Donny.
BECKEL: You own the house next to your own house. You bought the house. How many people are in a position to do that?
BOLLING: Stop.
BECKEL: I mean, seriously. Let's stop for a second. How many people are in a position to buy your neighbor's house because of the music?
TANTAROS: And Donny lets you blast your music.
BECKEL: Did you know your people in Allentown?
TANTAROS: Oh, yes.
BECKEL: You knew everybody.
TANTAROS: I knew everybody on the street.
BECKEL: You did?
TANTAROS: Yes. I think in suburbia you do when you're growing up, because you have kids and you go to school with those kids.
Now, in New York City I do not know my neighbors, because no one talks to their neighbors. But I know all the dogs. So Miles lives next door, and then there was a giant Saint Bernard, Rocky, but he sadly passed away. But I don't know the names of the owners.
BECKEL: I don't know the names of any of my neighbors either now.
PERINO: I bet they know yours.
BECKEL: I bet they do. I sort of remember when I was a kid I did. But I remember everybody who was in rehabs with me. I remember my neighbor in the next bunk.
BOLLING: Who's your office neighbor?
BECKEL: My who?
BOLLING: Your office.
BECKEL: I don't ever go to my office.
TANTAROS: I'm his office neighbor.
BECKEL: See -- that's right, you are. That's right. Dana and I used to have the same office, and she moved out.
PERINO: I can't imagine why.
BECKEL: I can't either.
TANTAROS: I know you're in your office, because I hear you coughing.
BECKEL: Yes. Correct.
All right. Thirty what? I thought you said -- I thought you said you've got a tease. I can tease. OK, good. Folks this is television. "One More Thing" is up next.
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TANTAROS: It's time now for "One More Thing," and I will kick it off. So this administration oftentimes does things to manage a news cycle. Well, the V.A. scandal may be off our front pages, but the administration has decided to expand its program to veterans, allowing them more primary care services.
Now, this sounds great, but veterans beware. The reimbursement rates are so low that probably no doctor is going to be willing to see you. So when you see these stories and the administration is touting "We're doing more to help our veterans" after this V.A. scandal, don't believe everything you see. It's positively, I think, disgraceful.
Up next, Greg.
GUTFELD: Susan Olson, who is Cindy Brady in "The Brady Bunch," she's going to be on "Red Eye" tonight. It's a big deal, being a "Brady Bunch" fanatic.
But...
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GUTFELD: Greg's Secrets to Happiness.
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GUTFELD: All right. Roll the tape.
You know the key to true rewards in life is delayed gratification. By waiting and earning your pleasure the reward is that much greater, as this dog has learned. Instead of eating the dog biscuits he balances them on his nose, knowing that at some point, when they fall, he will have a great reward. And that is the secret to life.
BOLLING: Wow. That dog is awesome.
Cindy Brady?
GUTFELD: Cindy Brady.
TANTAROS: You mean Cindy?
GUTFELD: Yes. With the lisp. She's kind of cool.
BOLLING: Was she faking the lisp?
GUTFELD: She was quite the actress.
BOLLING: Breaking news.
GUTFELD: She was quite the actress.
BOLLING: My turn. It's Friday.
TANTAROS: "One More Thing."
BOLLING: So it's time for...
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GRAPHIC: Fool of the Week.
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TANTAROS: The music is here to stay.
BECKEL: yes, it's a democrat.
BOLLING: Love that music. Ferguson, Missouri, there are people who are calming. Captain Ron Johnson, Kevin Jackson, the Brown family all calming tones. There are those who aren't: Al Sharpton and the fools of the week, the New Black Panther Party. Watch.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's a shame as we speak the president of the United States is talking to Russia. He's talking to China. He's talking to North Korea. He's talking to Iraq and the Middle East about treating people better. He needs to go back to his roots and stop people from killing Africans in the streets right outside of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
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BOLLING: The New Black Panther Party, not helpful in Ferguson, Missouri, "Fools of the Week."
TANTAROS: Dana.
PERINO: OK. I'm going to see if you guys like this idea. OK. Daimler Chrysler, headquartered in Germany, they have a new e-mail policy for when you go on vacation. There's new software that they have...
GUTFELD: I hate it.
PERINO: Any e-mail that you get while you're on vacation automatically is deleted. So when you get back from vacation you arrive, and you have a clean inbox. Do you like that?
BOLLING: No.
PERINO: I thought you would love that.
BOLLING: No.
BECKEL: I don't read the e-mail anyway.
BOLLING: All the stuff you missed.
GUTFELD: That's a very strange thing.
PERINO: Why. Because then you don't have to stress out about...
GUTFELD: What if you were fired? You show up for work and you're there and everybody is staring at you and you can't find your desk. I fired many people over e-mail: "You're fired."
BECKEL: Yes. Panama Canal turns 100 today. It was a treaty that I helped get through the Senate, which is a pain for a lot of people. One million vessels have gone through the Panama Canal. It changed world trade. It set a great job.
And the other thing I want you to know is, I'm going to be here with Andrea tonight for the 8 p.m., and I'm going to have a Swiss burger, a chocolate milkshake, New England clam chowder, and boneless chicken wings.
PERINO: You're like that dog.
TANTAROS: That's all? That's it?
BOLLING: A milkshake?
TANTAROS: Set your DVR so you never miss an episode of "The Five." "Special Report" is up next. We'll see you live at 8 p.m. for a special "Five."
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