Obama admin. underestimating homeland security amid ISIS crisis?

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," September 4, 2014. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

ANDREA TANTAROS, CO-HOST: A Fox News alert, some very sad news tonight. A legend in the world of comedy, Joan Rivers passed away today at the age of 81. We're going to look back at her life and her remarkable career this hour.

Also this hour, the Department Of Justice is going to launch a civil rights investigation into the Ferguson Police Department over the shooting of Michael Brown.

But first, would their time be better spent investigating the Muslim terror threat here at home? Some very concerning developments, an American maybe behind a social media blitz by ISIS. A computer wiz from Boston is reportedly accused of helping the terror network spread its propaganda. And then there's this American, Don Morgan, from North Carolina, the former law enforcement officer and body builder actually just admitted on camera to NBC News that he tried to join ISIS.


DON MORGAN, FORMER LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER: Someone has to defend Islam, and somebody has to defend innocent Muslims. I purchased a ticket with the intent of entering to Syria, I've been joining up with medical and food aid convoys, or directly with the Islamic state. A push came from being mistreated by people around me who didn't share the views I had. I think there's a strong possibility that they'll charge me with supporting terrorist organizations, and participating in terrorist activities.


TANTAROS: Wow. And there are dozens of Americans overseas right now fighting with ISIS. Here's our defense secretary.


CHUCK HAGEL, UNITED STATES SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: We are aware of over 100 U.S. citizens who have U.S. passports, who are fighting in the Middle East with ISIL forces. There may be more, we don't know.


TANTAROS: All right. So we learned this week, Greg, the DOJ Civil Rights Investigation, the FBI focused on nude photos of celebrities. Does it seem a little misguided with this ISIS terror threat? And when you see footage of an American saying that he wants to join the fight with ISIS against America, on an American news network, it's a little bit disconcerting.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: Yeah. But, yes, to talk about Don Morgan is, it's a -- there's a clear trend here. All of these recruits are bona fide losers, radical Islam is a loser magnet. Which is why I have to ask, why do we stop them from going? I will pay -- I will pay the ticket for any radicalized Muslim in America to go to Syria. And everybody should go, we can call that the martyr exchange program. They -- we could all sponsor a terrorist and send them to their very own paradise, but you notice these guys, these guys are inferior beings because they feel that life has been rough on me, so I must go kill people. Generally if you're a holy man, if you're a holy person, you're OK with nonbelievers. You're all right with that, because you're confident. These are not confident people. They're sad, pathetic little beings that deserve to die. Let's accelerate their deaths.

TANTAROS: Almost like a cash for clunkers, but like a cash for camels.

GUTFELD: This one will work.

TANTAROS: Oh, OK. Yeah, it would. It sounds very good. Dana, the defense secretary, there's hundreds of Americans that could join this fight. Very troubling and very different from the message of the White House, but the message of the White House has been all over the map.

DANA PERINO, CO-HOST: And also -- but this is just the last three weeks that this has actually been on America's -- on the front pages. For about two years, there have been almost 12,000 foreign fighters that have western passports. That's not necessarily American, but from western civilizations, that have been fighting and training in Syria, it just -- it is obvious that some of them have returned. Now, the past radicalization is not necessarily straight, so maybe when they come back they're not going to actually blow up anybody, but I think that being vigilant is the most important thing. To Greg's idea, what if -- because one of the things that these people like Don Morgan are doing, they are looking for deals online, travel deals, OK. So I think that we should figure out a way to, like, really sweeten the pot, make those tickets really attractive, and then snag them and watch them walk away and leave them stateless so that they can't get back. I think that there are some certain things that we can do. We need to be as creative as they are. Last thing I would say is, on somebody like this, if he knew, if he was in Syria, and he were to find out about an American who was being held hostage who was about to be beheaded, I think he should be charged with treason and not allowed to come back to the United States.

TANTAROS: Eric, do you feel at ease, do you feel comfortable that the government is following these guys, that we're doing everything we can to protect the homeland? I mean, the border issue, I know that's not the topic for this block, but it certainly plays a role in all.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Of course, that plays a role. I don't think -- I think we're underestimating what's going on right here in the homeland, we talked about that terror. Well, let's -- they don't want to call it a terror cell, but three jihadist come from the same town in Minnesota, two of them went to high school together, major it out -- the Tsarnaev brothers, they're coming from here, they're coming from within and they're killing us. This -- I think he should be charged with treason. Better yet, send him to GTMO and Waterboard the hell out of him until he starts talking about what he knows, Waterboard -- we have a way of dealing with terrorists for a while, we decided that wasn't going to be nice enough to terrorists so we stopped doing it.

And look what happens, it's starting to sprout up again, we have dead Americans, we have beheaded Americans. They're not slowing down, Islamic terrorism isn't slowing down. They're not slowing down coming after Americans, they're speeding up, and the Obama administration -- Valerie Jarrett goes to the Islamic Society of North America. The Islamic Society of North America, and speaks to these people. They have associate close ties (ph) to the Hamas and the Muslim brotherhood, that group does. But -- and so we're extending the outreach to them. When will CARE condemn not just acts of terror, when will CARE say Hamas, Muslim brotherhood, Hezbollah, you're wrong, you're against everything we stand for and you should be stopped, and by the way, no Sharia law should ever touch the shores of America. They won't go that far.

TANTAROS: Well, the only positive thing I saw this week, and I not want to defend CARE, but they did condemn the beheading of the American journalist.

BOLLING: The act.


BOLLING: The act.

TANTAROS: This is their time to lead. I'm with you, I don't see a lot of these organizations, though, they're starting to, I don't know how they don't condemn the act, when it's so horrific. But, Bob, when you read the papers in New York City and if you follow it closely, we were hit on September 11th, there've been a number of Jihadi suspects arrested in New York City. The NYPD has been spying on mosques for any potential radicals. Bill de Blasio, mayor of New York City, has shut that down. Do you think we've moved away, as Eric says, from some of these very successful terror- busting procedures here?

BOB BECKEL, CO-HOST: Well, you know, we've spent trillions of dollars on Homeland Security and it's paid off. From what I can tell, there seems to be a number of these incidents where we've intercepted them and stopped them. There was a couple there were high-profile but didn't go anywhere. The Idea of these guys coming back in the United States, I think is highly unlikely, once you (inaudible) for to get out now.

The chance of getting back in the United States is virtually non-existent, but this is, again, gets back to the point where you allow Muslims to come into this country, with student visas or anything like that on before, where 15,000 never showed up at their schools. There are other instances of this with England and France, look at all of them, we all have created Muslim communities. And those Muslim communities have flourished, and they have built mosques, and that's their right to do that, but it is not their right to carry out the terrorist -- to stay in terrorist organizations. And apparently they're doing that.

TANTAROS: There is a PR effort, Dana, which I want to ask you about. There was an op-ed penned by U.K. David Cameron, who's in a bit of political trouble himself, and I think he's also doing this to save his own duff. But he penned this in consort with President Obama, and they said that they vow not to be cowed by ISIS. For me, words are important, words matter, but it's really actions and what they're doing. And I am concerned that we're not taking all the appropriate steps, not just overseas, but back here at home.

PERINO: Well, we've been dancing around the political correctness of this issue. And in England, that really hit home over the -- last week, when the Rotherham case became to light with 1,400 young girls being systematically raped, abused, prostituted, by pedophiles that were Pakistani and Bangladeshi for the most part, and those Asian communities, but they were - - we have to refer to them as an amid (ph) in U.K. So, the words certainly matter. We -- I admire the west for how we try to handle assimilation. Of course we're an open society, we want you to be here, but we bent over backwards to the point that now we are hurting ourselves.

On the social media standpoint, that's where the PR battle, I think, is the most important. What we're watching now, is if Twitter existed in the seventh century, this is how human beings treated one other. We have all evolved. They have not. So, then PR war gets even more important, because evil doers like the beheaders, they actually have phones. And some of these phones are connected to these countries that have nuclear weapons, so it's totally different terrain.

And the other part of the -- I think what Obama and Cameron could have said is that, think about unprecedented it is that we have now had, in the last two weeks, a British citizen killing by beheading an American citizen over a Syrian civil war. That is what we have to come to terms with, that we are actually -- now we have Americans, both British and Americans actually fighting one another over a Syrian war.

TANTAROS: And the harshest words coming out of the administration, Joe Biden, but go ahead first before I...

GUTFELD: Yeah, just because you brought up the -- is the Rotherdam or Rotterdam? I'm not quite sure.

TANTAROS: Rotherham.

GUTFELD: Rotherham, the 1,400 girls raped or sexually assaulted over a long period of time. The true enemy to radical Islam is not other religion, it's actually women, the -- their entire gig is about controlling and abusing women. Because once women gain any power, and that totalitarian ideology, it crumbles. They have to keep women covered. They have to keep women as third, fourth class citizens.

And it would be nice, it would be such a great thing if you see feminists rise up, and I would love to see an army of killer women that would -- whose sole job is to ice these people, because they're the number one threat to women worldwide. And feminists have to actually take the lead, and it would be great for the military to create specific...

PERINO: You know, where that actually exists, it's in Israel.

GUTFELD: Yeah, they have women...

PERINO: The women fighters are fierce.

GUTFELD: And make them as ruthless and as -- almost as atrocious as they are.

TANTAROS: And you know we can be if you get us at the right moment.

GUTFELD: I know, if we touch your shoes, Andrea...

TANTAROS: You not want to touch the front line.



BOLLING: Guys, it's another issue that were -- this kinda getting lost in the shuffle of all this, Iran. We're talking about an Iran that wants to be nuclear capable to do whatever the heck they going to do. And they are as fanatic as these ISIS Islamic fundamentalists, they're just as bad. They have the whole structure between the religious sides that wants to -- they want Sharia everywhere. They want to promote Sharia law around the world, around the globe. They want Israel off the map. I mean, we've heard them say it time and time again, to allow nuclear capabilities in Iran, is just buying time before they become the next ISIS on a much bigger, and more finance.

BECKEL: But let's remember that Iran and ISIS are opposed to each other.

BOLLING: Yeah. And for now -- and remember when ISIS was against Syria?

TANTAROS: This is an issue I think that republicans and democrats could come together. Exactly what Greg said, I mean, you think about their anti- women sentiment, their anti-gay sentiment. I mean, this is an opportunity for everybody to come together. But the harshest rhetoric we've heard has been from Vice President Joe Biden. Take a listen to the V.P. yesterday.


VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN: Should know, we will follow them to the gates of hell until they are brought to justice because hell is where they will reside. Hell is where they will reside.


TANTAROS: OK. Bret Baier has a source who said this; chase them to the gates of hell. How the blank are we going to do that when we can't even leave the front gate of our base. And Colonel Ralph Peters last night said, really? We won't even cross the border into Syria. So, tough talk from the VP, but, again, we go back to words versus action.

BECKEL: Well, but we said that we're going to our troops in there to protect American facilities, which is exactly what we're doing.


BECKEL: If you're going to have -- if you're going to have a journalistic statement, I think you might have more than one source to that.

TANTAROS: Are you questioning Bret Baier's source?

BECKEL: Not at all. I wouldn't question Bret Baier -- well, I don't know Bret Baier's source, that's the whole point. I mean, are there two, three, four people saying the same thing? As I understand it there a lot of...

PERINO: the solid source.

BOLLING: You do agree that the message from Joe Biden delivered right there is vastly different from the message that President Obama has been delivering over the last...

BECKEL: Well, they're vastly different politicians. There's also (inaudible).

BOLLING: Bob, then fine. Then call it that, that's better.

PERINO: I think that the follow-up to Joe Biden is, OK, then forget President Obama for a moment, you, sir, what specifically then would you do? What are you willing to do to chase someone to their gates of hell? And I'd be interested.


GUTFELD: He might be talking about D.C.

PERINO: D.C. is hell.

GUTFELD: Yeah, yeah. Can I add a point -- I think the real -- one of the real enemies here is the complacency of a distracted country. We're ambivalent because we're so successful. We've got -- we have everything we need, so we have the ambivalence of a winner countered by the viciousness of losers. It's our turn to be crazy.


BECKEL: Well, Greg, we are. Every day there are bombs that are dropped on them. Nobody else is...

GUTFELD: No, but I'm missing my point -- you're missing my point. I'm talking about as an American citizen, becoming as insane as they are, as finally scaring the hell out of those who scare us daily. Why aren't we out in the streets waving flags and burning things? Why aren't we burning effigies? We don't do it, because we're complacent.

TANTAROS: We did it on September 12th, 2001, but we've gotten away from that. And that's -- it's really upsetting because it is true. Until more Americans die, that's when you're going to see people start to rise up.

GUTFELD: I'm for the bombing...

TANTAROS: It has a different ideology, that's what I think. He doesn't love and want to protect the United States and have the same feeling...

BECKEL: Who doesn't?

TANTAROS: President Obama. Just read the Cairo speech, it's all there. Ahead on The Five, a look back at the life and career of Joan Rivers who passed away today at the age of 81, Rivers will go down in history as a pioneer in the world of comedy. But first, the Justice Department says it's going to investigate the Ferguson Police Department over the Brown shooting, its politics behind the decision. Plus, fast food workers across America are demanding higher wages, and they walked off the job today. Dana is going to tell us about that ahead.


PERINO: Thousands of fast food workers walked off the job today in order to fight for a $15 minimum wage. Protests have been under way all day in more than 100 cities nationwide and dozens of arrests have been made. Democrats have been trying to use the minimum wage issue to garner votes in the upcoming midterm elections. But, Bob, you were saying yesterday after the (inaudible) poll came out that, that actually is not an issue that seems to be having too much of an impact in the mid-term.

BECKEL: Yeah. I think it's marginally in the African-American community and probably Hispanic community where there's lot of people who do fast food. I certainly hope they get $15 an hour, and I certainly hope I for one, not that it matters, I don't need it, but I'm not going to eat anything at a fast food joint for a week. I hope the rest of people, anybody out there who's got a conscience who think they can live on seven -- 25 an hour before, but I don't think they can.

PERINO: Bolling, mind if I ask you about to thing, on the politics side of it, I feel like the democrats continue to push for this raising hopes for people, for something that is not going to be voted on this year, or over the next two years. Possibly it will in the states, but there's not going to be a vote by Harry Reid on minimum wage in the senate. So, they're raising hopes and then not fulfilling promises to people. At the same time, couldn't they be doing other things that would actually put more money into the pockets of people that do work for minimum wage?

BOLLING: Well, OK. So on the first part, I hope, yeah, he has to have the unions, they spend some like 97 percent of their donations that go to democrats. So that's the week of hat tipping them this week, and then he'll move one to the next, probably, immigration after congress comes back from their next five-week vacation, and after the election. So this is how they get that -- check that box. But talking about what raising the -- artificially raising a wage does.

Here's what happens. The supply-and-demand curve for labor, the supply meets the man at a price, that's the wage that the free market, that the fair value of an hour's worth of work is worth to an employer and to a worker. When you artificially raise it, what you do is you create more supply of labor, more people want to get that higher wage and it -- on that same curve, when you do that, you drop the demand for it. It's more expensive for a company to hire people.

When you drop demand for labor, that's the definition of unemployment. So that's what you're doing, you're going to raise the wages but you're going to drive these people into the unemployment line, no question. What you really need to do is move the demand curve. Make the demand for labor more robust, that's called growth. When you do that, automatically, along the supply/demand curve, you increase wages and you've done it from the right way, not the artificial way.

PERINO: That's what you were saying, Greg, in the green room about -- how poor cities would actually be hurt worse by this.

GUTFELD: He said this better than me, though.

PERINO: He did.


PERINO: He had the whole supply curve thing...

GUTFELD: Yes. That's the stuff I didn't get with my English major. I would say like -- it would hurt -- this would hurt poor areas harder than not so poor areas, because $10 is different, a $10 wage increase -- wage is different in every part of town. So the increase may be larger in one area of a town which would cost more jobs, so -- because the gap is larger, you would have to hire less. So in a weird way, you would actually hurt the town that needs the help the most by eliminating jobs. And let's face it, the job of a unionist is strictly to expand a union. It's a self- perpetuating organism, it's not interested in helping these people, it's -- they're just interested in helping themselves.

BECKEL: Oh, come on. I mean, the union of this country is responsible for so many assets all of us enjoy every day. A vacation, I mean...

GUTFELD: I agree with you, Bob, years ago, but now it's changed. And the pendulum has swung and that's why unions are fading.

PERINO: It has changed. And I do agree with you, Bob, there are some good things that unions do. And you can understand why they want higher wages and why they want the best working conditions for their workers, I get that. I think what really ticks people off is when they see the unions negotiating these deals in the White House, like the ObamaCare law. Only to then exempt themselves from the deals. So they push these laws on everybody else, but then say, you know what, we want no part of this after they subject all of us to it. That's another huge problem that I think...

BECKEL: And let's go back to this thing. The last state -- a number of states have $15 above $10 an hour minimum wage, and I've not seen one person lose a job as a result of it.

BOLLING: That is the most ridiculous comment. So number one...

BECKEL: Where are they? Where are they?


GUTFELD: Bob, I haven't seen any...

BECKEL: (Inaudible) ISIS is behind the push, I believe.

BOLLING: If we increase the cost of labor, a payroll to a company, to any business, a burger joint or manufacturing company or a real estate company, if you increase the cost of labor, you have to get -- do one of two things. Drive the price of the product up or reduce the hiring, period. And the store, because people aren't -- companies aren't becoming more profitable.

BECKEL: Or maybe not taking on this profit (ph)...

PERINO: No. I think, also...

GUTFELD: Without profits, you don't have taxes, Bob, then where would we be.

BECKEL: Well, then we're in trouble.


PERINO: I think that's true that the benefits of raising the minimum wage and the consequence of raising minimum wage are exaggerated by both sides, in a way. But I also think that because of the other policies of the -- of this current administration, not to mention the cities and the states, but on energy and health care, if you are a minimum wage worker and you are able to get more money into your bank account every month, that will then be eaten up by the cost in taxes and regulations. So I feel like it's an empty promise.

TANTAROS: Well, I think you made the best point when you said this is basically a lie. I mean, unless the states do it which we see in...

PERINO: They're not going to get bill.

TANTAROS: They're not going to do this. And so what you're seeing is the Democratic Party open up its playbook and do the box-checking base-ginning activities, right? Immigration, OK, we'll get the Hispanics out to vote, right? Minimum wage will do this, check the box. And then the DOJ civil rights investigation...


BECKEL: They'll try to get states to increase minimum wage.

PERINO: But you know what's interesting, Andrea, on the four issues you mentioned, it's politics, if it's the consideration, it's actually not working for the democrats, which is why I think is why the president has backed off on immigration. I thought Eric Holder's comment today -- do we have time for that, anybody? OK. This is Eric Holder talking about the Department of Justice about to investigate the Ferguson Police Department.


ERIC HOLDER, ATTORNEY GENERAL: Anecdotal accounts underscore the history of mistrust of law enforcement in Ferguson that has received a good deal of attention. As a result of this history, and following the extensive review of documented allegations, and other available data, we have determined that there is a -- there's cause for the Justice Department to open an investigation to determine whether Ferguson police officials have engaged in a pattern or practice of violations of the United States constitution, or federal law.


PERINO: OK. They had a great -- they said they were going to do it, and there's the attorney general.

GUTFELD: I'm not surprise. And if they want to open an investigation, they certainly can. But this to me is a symptom of American derangement syndrome, it's a narrow obsession with America's evil past which prevents you from seeing anything else, like the progress that's been made in the past four, five decades, and current problems that we have right now that are potentially way more dangerous, the external threats abroad and so on, but we are focused on how bad America has been.

PERINO: All right. They're telling me we've got to go. I'm sorry. All right, next, did the head of the DNC cross the line? Debbie Wasserman Schultz compares Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker to a domestic abuser over his policies. We're going to debate ahead in the Fastest Seven.


BOLLING: Welcome back, everybody. Time for the "Fastest Seven Minutes" in TV. You know the drill.

I forgot they had that. Three fantabulous stories, seven fleeting minutes, one fastidious host.

First up, the comment that will likely earn her a "Fool of the Week" and "The Fastest Seven" back-to-back, DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, may have crossed the outrage line when she compared Governor Scott Walker to a man who delivers domestic violence to his wife.


REP. DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ, D-FLA., DNC CHAIR: Scott Walker has given women the back of his hand. And there is no -- I know that is stark. I know that is direct. But that is reality.

What Republican Tea Party extremists like Scott Walker are doing is they're grabbing us by the hair and pulling us back. And it's unacceptable. And it's not going to happen on our watch.


BOLLING: All right, Andrea, she tried to walk that back a little bit later, making some comments. But they're really trying to perpetuate this Republican war on women, aren't they?

TANTAROS: Yes. These comments are vile. Not only are they vile, they are untrue. But it tells me that Democrats are petrified of somebody like Scott Walker, petrified because he is in a very loving marriage, which is why these are untrue, and he's been very good to women in Wisconsin.

But he's turned the economy around. And what he did with unions is remarkable. So they need to kill him of quick before he becomes a bigger rising star in the Republican Party.

That being said, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, those comments, she's an insult to all women. And I want to apologize on behalf of women for her comments, because she's an embarrassment to her gender. And in fact, I wish she were a man. I'm so embarrassed.

BOLLING: Bobby, hang in there. Please allow me. Let me give the ladies first.


PERINO: This news popped around 4 p.m. yesterday. We talked about it on "The Five" quickly. And it made me think overnight about domestic violence is either a serious issue or it's not. To me it is. And I think making a mockery of it with a metaphor like that, especially for a governor who has done a significant amount of work on domestic violence shelters in the state, it does make you wonder where her self-respect is.

And I would also, if I was a reporter, I would be asking the White House if they are comfortable with the leader of the Democratic Party, the DNC, the president's hand-chosen person, if they are comfortable with that kind of rhetoric.

BECKEL: First of all, I'm shaking in my boots over Scott Walker. But I didn't hear her mention. You said in your open, both the U.S. Senate, I heard she say domestic violence once.

TANTAROS: That's what she was referring to. What was she referring to?  "Fifty Shades of Grey"?

PERINO: The back of your hand.

BECKEL: The back of the hand? Yes, yes...

GUTFELD: Grabbing women by the hair.

PERINO: What do you describe that as?

BECKEL: Going back to the days of keeping women barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen. I can think of a lot of it, but he just -- you said domestic violence is wife beating.

PERINO: What else could it be?

BECKEL: Wife beating? Wife beating?

BOLLING: Barefoot is one thing. Giving a woman the back of your hand and dragging her by her hair is a completely different...

BECKEL: Did I hear you say domestic violence towards his wife? Is that what you said in the open?

BOLLING: So I apologize if I said his wife.

TANTAROS: No, it was towards all women.

BECKEL: I think he said his wife.


BOLLING: I should have said all women. I'm sorry.

GUTFELD: I think she's awesome. I think her strategy is brilliant. In order to forget about something absolutely -- absolutely ridiculous that she says, she waits a few weeks and then says something even worse. And then, you know, don't hold your breath. She will always have this job, because they haven't fired her yet. They love her and the Afghans sleeping on her head.

BOLLING: All right. Very quickly. Let's move through the next stop.  ESPN blurred the lines with social and racial commentary on the Redskins name debate.

Here, Bob Ley, a longtime sportscaster, compares the simple team change name to racism, unfair treatment of Native Americans, and even -- wait for it -- Watergate.


BOB LEY, SPORTSCASTER: Is this a media creation? Of course it is. But so was Watergate when it first started, in the same town, incidentally. And 40 years after Richard Nixon left town with his playbook, nobody has a problem with the media's role.

Continuing overwhelming support for the nickname may be a resentment at expanding victimhood through an 80-year-old nickname when Indians, who have been treated shamefully through American history, have more real-life concerns.

But you wonder what the polling back in the day would have been on the Emancipation Proclamation or letting that Robinson guy play with the Dodgers back in '47.


BOLLING: We have to bring it around very quickly. Go.

PERINO: Pretty soon they are going to blame George W. Bush for the name of the Redskins. It's just heading down that road.

GUTFELD: You forgot the big bang.

You know, this is what you call a talk show topic. The more the -- the more there's chatter, the less it matters. It's like this only has meaning to very few, except for those who have to fill their news buckets every day. And it's a topic that keeps coming up. But most people are going, "I don't care."

BOLLING: Can't they just stick to -- give us the scores?

TANTAROS: A lot of the chat rooms in ESPN, the blog, say the same thing: We don't tune in for political commentary. We just tune in for sports. He even admitted it's a media creation.

Look, the owner of the Redskins, Snyder, has not done anything, I think, to help this out with his media interviews. But I mean, look, they have RG3 as their quarterback. Really, they made that...

BECKEL: Maybe. Maybe.

TANTAROS: Maybe. And this is the team that also walked out on the field in honor of Michael Brown with their hands up. So it's just not a fair comparison.

BECKEL: I've been listening to this for 30 years. Seems to me it's time to play football.

BOLLING: There you go.

And this one. Did you look at the celebrity nude pictures leaked this week on the Web? If you did, would you admit it? And would you admit it on national television? Jimmy Kimmel hit the streets to see how guys would answer that question.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have not looked them up. I followed the story on the news.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you plan to look them up?




UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And I thought it was crazy news to be spitting out.  But sexy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What did you see?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jennifer Lawrence was my most prized vision.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have not looked them up.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because I try to give my wife to give me naked pictures of her all the time. She said she won't do it because I'll put it on the Internet. So if I promote looking at other people, then this will confirm what she's saying.


PERINO: He's honest.

TANTAROS: Although I do think he looked at the pictures. I feel like every guy who've looked at the pictures, you walk by them on the street, and they just have this little twinkle in their eye and this grin all week.

But I didn't even mean to look on them. I just clicked on Perez Hilton, so I saw some of them. And someone sent me one when I was at the gym, and I opened it and it was the Kate Upton one. And I felt really guilty. And everyone thought I was a pervert. But I deleted it.

BOLLING: Bob, would you admit to it if you did?

BECKEL: I was -- certainly would. My Wi-Fi was broke down. I was going to look at the Byzantine Empire history, but...

PERINO: You did not.

BECKEL: When it came back on, finally, they were there. I don't know. It was just terrible piece of timing. Yes.

PERINO: Have you seen them, Bob?

BECKEL: Yes, I have seen them.

BOLLING: Dana, your thoughts on how these dudes admitted or didn't admit to looking at them?

PERINO: They're honest. I liked it. I liked it.

When you said Kimmel, I thought you meant Kim -- Kim Guilfoyle. When first I heard, I was like, "She went out there and asked that?" But it wasn't Kimmy. Kimmel.

BOLLING: Kimmel.

TANTAROS: Has she looked at the pictures? Let's ask her.

GUTFELD: It's -- men are disgusting. We will say we won't look, but we will look.

What worries me is this is like -- it's funny, because it's nude. But it wouldn't be funny if it was financial information. And that's what's scary about this.

PERINO: You know what's weird about this? I'm sorry.

GUTFELD: No, go ahead.

PERINO: So you take these pictures. And you know what? Who are you showing them to? Do you just, like, look at yourself? I don't get it.  Why do you take the picture?

BECKEL: Why do you put them up on the Internet is the question.

PERINO: No, they weren't on the Internet; they were on the iCloud.

BECKEL: Why would they put them on there?

TANTAROS: Because they thought they looked good.

BOLLING: They probably were sending it to each other, to their boyfriends.

PERINO: That's weird.

GUTFELD: They might be looking for a part.

BOLLING: We've got to go. Even Porter is now yelling in my ear.

Ahead, Joan Rivers has passed away after being hospitalized following a routine procedure last week. We're going to look back at her remarkable career and her impact on the world of entertainment, coming up on "The Five."

But first, simple addition made insanely hard for students nationwide by common core. Wait until you see how they're being taught how to add 9 plus 6, coming up.


GUTFELD: Common core is like a hangover. It makes everything harder.

Remember when it only took one step to add nine plus five? Now you can take this scenic route, because according to this common core helper video, young learners aren't altogether comfortable with nine plus six.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Our young learners might not be altogether comfortable thinking about what nine plus six is. They are quite comfortable thinking about their friend 10. Ten is emphasized in our young grades as we're working in a base 10 system.

So if we can partner nine to a number, and anchor 10, we can help our students see what nine plus six is. So we're going to decompose our six. And we know six is made up of parts. One of its parts is a one and the other part is a five.  We're going to now anchor our nine to a one, allowing our students to anchor to that 10. Now our students are seeing that we have 10 plus five.

Having now more comfort seeing the 10 plus five is 15. That's much more comfortable than looking at nine plus six, an isolated math fact.


GUTFELD: Is that amazing or what?

So let's get this straight. Nine plus six is so scary that we must partner nine, then anchor 10 and decompose six.

Partner, anchor, decompose. That's not math. That's the plot to "Silence of the Lambs."

Why don't you just add nine plus five for God's sake? We'll memorize it. But instead, to teach someone nine plus five, you change it to 10 plus six. Using this logic, if you want to teach me to fish, first teach me to fly a kite.

Thank you, Common Core, for making the lives of kids and their parents hell. Because that means there's fewer people at the movies, at the mall, in the park. I have the outside world to myself while families huddle over a manual like a lost book of the dead.

Common Core may be the most unsolvable word problem on the planet. Another government experiment sinking under its unbearable complexities. For you, one plus one equals two, but to Common Core, it's an uncomfortable situation for our fragile snowflakes.

So partner, anchor, decompose. It sounds like a horrible month at sea.  I'm so glad I don't have kids. It's court-ordered, but still.

By the way, I don't want to rag on that teacher. I thought she did, actually, a really excellent job. But Dana, what she did was basically explain what you do in your head after you've memorized it.

PERINO: Yes. I was trying to remember, in the commercial break, how did we learn how to do it?


PERINO: And I guess it was just memorization.

GUTFELD: OK. I use these things. They're called my fingers. And then you count.

PERINO: Do you know why six was afraid of seven?

GUTFELD: Because seven, eight, nine Dana, please.

PERINO: That's how you know your math.

GUTFELD: You just killed the whole segment without that joke.

Eric -- I think, Eric, you except for Bob are the only parent.



PERINO: That you know of.

GUTFELD: Yes, yes.

BOLLING: I'm stable (ph).

GUTFELD: This is worse for parents, though, right?

BOLLING: Because we don't understand it. When your kid comes and says, "Dad, what's you know, 15 minus 8,: and you go, "Oh, I'm not sure who the anchor is or who the composer is," it's terrible. Just get back to the multiplication tables. Memorize them. Rote memorization. That's how we learned.

I have a 16-year-old son. When we were about 6 or 7 -- when he was 6 or 7, we started with that. I also taught him the squares. One squared, 2 squared, 3 squared, all the way up to 25. He memorized it between -- under the age of 8. And to this day, it's just whatever he does at that age, and he was the math student of the month.

BECKEL: What's the square root of 25? Out of curiosity.

BOLLING: Twenty-five?

BOLLING: It's not 25. It's 15, but whatever.

BECKEL: Listen, first of all, I couldn't be sitting in this woman's class, because I would be bored to death. And I still don't understand what she was saying. I mean, still, nine, six -- is it nine plus six is 15?

It -- this goes back to my pet peeve about having tests that are nationwide, that one fits all. It does not work that way. You have to learn to teach individually. And some students may take to that. I doubt it. But some may. But I wouldn't.

GUTFELD: Andrea...

TANTAROS: I think that's fair.

GUTFELD: ... I think the instructor made sense with the curriculum she was using.


GUTFELD: But it was too -- is it necessary?

TANTAROS: You're asking a girl who took Algebra 1 three times. So I didn't know what they were saying under traditional...

PERINO: Get a partner.

TANTAROS: I did have a study buddy. I had plenty of study buddies and tutors. It didn't work. I can't imagine being in common core.

But I do think Bob hits on something. I don't think it's that the standards are too high for common core. I actually think that's the one redeeming thing about them. I do think it's that it's being implemented on a national level, and I think that is a problem.

But we do want our kids challenged. Maybe this was just a bad example.

GUTFELD: There's a few more, believe me.

I don't have kids, but people come up to me and say, "Please talk about common core."

TANTAROS: The content's real, but some of it's really warped.

GUTFELD: Yes, but I don't want to talk about it. It just seems so boring.  But that was not boring. That was hilarious.

All right. They're yelling at me to -- next, remembering Joan Rivers, who passed away today at the age of 81. Back in a moment.



JOHNNY CARSON, FORMER HOST, NBC'S "THE TONIGHT SHOW": Don't you think men really like intelligence more, when it comes right down to it?

JOAN RIVERS, COMEDIENNE: Please. Are we going to go back to that? Are you kidding?

CARSON: Sure. I mean, a brain, you know. A caring person.

RIVERS: No man has ever put his hand up a woman's dress looking for a library card.

I love the Golden Globes. It is the most fun reward show the entire season, because it's like a big party, you know. Everyone's laughing and talking and drinking. The only place you will see more drunk celebrities is at the Betty Ford Clinic.

I am a grandmother. It's hard to believe, huh? Pick a finger.


BECKEL: Comedic legend Joan Rivers died today at the age of 81 after being hospitalized following a throat procedure last week. Rivers was on life support after doctors brought her out of a coma.

Her daughter wanted to thank everybody and all the people that showed support. She has a lot of fans, millions of them around the world and around -- certainly around this country. Eric, anything of particular note?

BOLLING: I just, you know, recollect, recalling all the things she did. I love her stand-up stuff. I loved her on Carson. Remember, she was a fill- in for Carson. You wonder how she was ever going to pull off the big chair with Johnny Carson. And she did it; she nailed it. She was awesome.

And also, I really kind of liked her in "Celebrity Apprentice." I mean, you saw the behind-the-scenes, saw something that wasn't common. You just saw her, and she was well-liked by just about everyone. And those people tend to -- hate each other.

PERINO: She was very funny. But also an extremely shrewd business woman.  And very successful, with a quick wit. And very timeless, right? So everybody can laugh out loud at her jokes. It doesn't matter if you were a young kid or all the way up to a senior citizen. Everybody loved her.

GUTFELD: Well, some of her stuff was a little blue.

But the one thing you can learn from Joan Rivers, I don't think she ever apologized in her life for a joke. She could be vicious, but she understood they were words and they weren't deeds. And she's dying and leaving at a time when her kind, the outspoken kind, would be targeted, I think.

BECKEL: What did you like about her?

TANTAROS: I'm the die-hard "Fashion Police" on E! watcher. Joan Rivers changed the commentary, the red-carpet commentary, I think, in a way nobody else did. She was raunchy. She was awesome. She was awesome. She said everything that most people were thinking but did it in a way that no one could contextualize, even at her age. Awesome, and a role model for women in comedy. I mean, I am seriously upset by this.

BECKEL: You know, it's amazing. She was raunchy, but never used a really bad word to do it. Right?

All right. "One More Thing" is up next.

PERINO: You could take a lesson from her.

BECKEL: I could take a lesson. I could. You're right.


TANTAROS: It's time now for "One More Thing" -- EB2016.

BOLLING: OK. So last night Bill O. took it to Jen Psaki and the State Department. Take a look.


BILL O'REILLY, HOST, "THE O'REILLY FACTOR": With all due respect -- and you don't have to comment on this -- that woman looks way out of her depth over there.  Just the way she delivers. It just doesn't look like she has the gravitas for that job.


BOLLING: Bill saying what all of us are thinking. What's going on over at the State Department. But that didn't sit well with the State Department.  Look what Marie Harf, the deputy spokesperson for, I believe, Jen Psaki, tweeted this. She said, "State Department spokesperson explains foreign policy with intelligence and class. Too bad we can't say the same thing about @oreillyfactor."

The bottom line is, the Obama administration's obsession with everything FOX News continues. Stay tuned. More to come.

TANTAROS: I think we've actually said that she is incompetent on the show.  We haven't just thought it -- Greg.

GUTFELD: It's time for...


GUTFELD: Greg's Sports Corner.


GUTFELD: Because, you know, I know a lot about sports. I'm kind of like the expert here at FOX.

Let's go to the play of the day. This is the Arizona Wildcats. UNLV football match, I believe it's called. They've got that beach ball out there. They like to do that. It's fun.

But then this guy grabs it. You know what he does? He steps on it; he crushes it. You know what? If you think this man is wrong, then you are not my friend. He is an American hero.

Speaking of American heroes, my player of the day, right here. This guy enjoying a Dodgers game. He's got beers and a hot dog. And the best part, he's tanning because he thinks that's going to get him the ladies.

BOLLING: That Speedo.

GUTFELD: That's it.


PERINO: OK. This is another sport. It is called sock eating by dogs.  This is a Great Dane in Oregon. The parents put in a photo to show that their dog wasn't feeling well. It was a Great Dane. So they took it to the vet. It turns out he had swallowed 43 pairs of socks.

And good news is, he is doing fine. I have somebody -- those are all the socks. That's 43 pairs of socks. That's what it would look like inside one stomach.

GUTFELD: How many toes is that.

PERINO: Definitely eats socks.

GUTFELD: Of course.

BECKEL: Former Republican governor of Virginia, McDonnell, and his wife were convicted. He got 11 counts of (UNINTELLIGIBLE) accounts. She got 9.  He faces up to 30 years in prison for taking bribes.


TANTAROS: I don't have a One More Thing. Just going to miss Joan Rivers.  And remember: life is too short. As Joan would say, remember to laugh.  That's it for us on "The Five."

"Special Report" is up next. We'll see you right back here tomorrow, everybody. Have a great...

BECKEL: Everybody should know that.

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