Not on his radar? President Obama admits ISIS surprised him

This is a rush transcript from "The Five," December 8, 2016. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

KIMBERLY GUILFOYLE, CO-HOST: Hello, everyone. This is Kimberly Guilfoyle, along with Juan Williams, Eric Bolling, Taya Kyle, and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City. And this is "The Five."

We're waiting for president-elect Trump to deliver remarks after meeting with the victims and first responders of last week's attack at Ohio State University. We will bring you his statement as soon as we have it.

But first, on the topic of terror, a stunning admission by President Obama claiming he never knew about the ISIS threat during the group's early days.


FAREED ZAKARIA, CNN: The rise of the Islamic state surprised you, it took you by surprise, it took the administration by surprise.

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: The ability of ISIL to initiate major land offensives, that was not on my intelligence radar screen.


GUILFOYLE: Not on his radar screen? Really? Even after being warned by his predecessor, President George W. Bush, about the consequences of pulling U.S. troops out of Iraq.


GEORGE W. BUSH, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Begin withdrawing before our commanders tell us we are ready would be dangerous for Iraq, for the region and for the United States. It would mean that we would be risking mass killings on a horrific scale. It would mean we allow the terrorists to establish a safe haven to Iraq to replace the one they lost in Afghanistan. It would mean increasing the probability that American troops would have to return at some later date to confront an enemy that is even more dangerous.


GUILFOYLE: What about President Obama's own administration officials who said this?


JAMES CLAPPER, DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE: Syria has become a huge magnet for extremists.

BRETT MCGURK, SPECIAL PRESIDENTIAL ENVOY FOR ISIL COALITION: Its current leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, is a designated global terrorist under U.S. law, and we believe is currently based in Syria. His mission is clearly stated in his own statements, it is to carve out a zone of governing territory from Baghdad through Syria to Lebanon.

LT. GEN. MICHAEL FLYNN, FORMER DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY DIRECTOR: The scale of what they are involved in right now, particularly the al-Qaeda element in Iraq and just the level of destruction that they're having, the level of killing that they doing inside of that country is just -- is terrible.


GUILFOYLE: All right. Eric, so despite all of these repeated warnings directly from the previous president to President Obama, his own administration officials, including you see General Flynn there making these comments and giving that testimony fell on deaf ears.

ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: So a young Senator Obama from Illinois with no foreign policy experience comes in. He is president. He is probably shocked by -- and overwhelmed by what is actually going on. But the problem is he didn't pivot, he didn't listen. He didn't hear his generals, he didn't hear the prior administration and changed his policy. He stayed with we're going to close it in my term, or first term or second term. We are going to do these things. He would never say Islamist extremist, never use those words, and try a friendlier approach to combat ISIS and terrorism, instead of going strong and hard. At least, we have a new president-elect who is listening to the prior president. He sat down -- Donald Trump sad down with Barack Obama, and said what's going on. He is listening. He is actually listening to some of the people who were at high level jobs within President Obama's White House. I think Donald Trump is doing things differently from the way President Obama did things when he walked in. And by the way, it has to be overwhelming to first hear about all the stuff that's going on.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, absolutely. All right, Greg. You are shaking your head.

GREG GUTFELD, CO-HOST: He shouldn't listen to President Obama. That's absolutely crazy. Look, he said it wasn't on his intelligence screen. Well, there's an alternative. It's called the television. He could have turned it on because we were talking about this. We were talking about this while they were still playing down the threat of ISIS. The reason why President Obama did not admit that this was a problem was for two reasons. One, he hated the source. He has a problem with adversarial criticism or even adversarial advice. If somebody from the other side says, dude, look out, this is a problem. He goes well, that's Fox News, or that's Dick Cheney, or that's George W. Bush, screw them. Also, the second part is he didn't want to offend. He has the constant like Islamaphobia-phobia. He realizes if he starts talking about radical Islam, he is going to piss off a lot of people. This will go down as President Obama's singular massive blind spot. It's like his drug problem. It's like when you go and you approach somebody and you say, I think you have a problem, he will consistently deny it to the very end. ISIS is not a problem, radical Islam is not a problem. And none of the people in his inner circle were willing to do that intervention that is necessary to say, dude, look at this stuff, it's real, people are dying. And now, we're at a point where they are everywhere.


GUTFELD: Well, you know, I'm talking as -- I'm talking as an interventionist.


GUTFELD: I want to help him.

GUILFOYLE: And he doesn't want to hear about it. The thing is you see that people that served in his administration are starting to come out, tell the truth about what's been going on. And we're going to see more about that. He will have to live with his legacy. And unfortunately, he has left ISIS on our doorstep. Hey, again, welcome to the program. I want to thank you and your family for the service, sacrifice, and your husband, what a heroic, amazing American soldier. So thank you from us on The Five. So give your thoughts because you know better than anybody having somebody that has served right there in the field, trying to deal with these situations and these issues. And then you have a president who despite the info and the intel from the field chooses to ignore it and also modify rules of engagement which makes it much more difficult.

TARA KYLE, GUEST CO-HOST: Yeah. I think it's a concern he says it wasn't on his intelligence radar. I think that might be a slight way to pass the buck to the intelligence community. But we can obviously see that wasn't the case. He did have the information and he chose not to believe it.


KYLE: I think that could come -- I don't want to psycho-analyze him too much, but you know based on his action in the past, I think we can assume that he doesn't have a whole lot of high regard for his military or his high-ranking officials, you know, secretary of defense was a guy with physics, rather than military, which is fine, except that again, it shows that he is not really respectful of generals, I think, that were leading in the fight.

So having said all of that, he would rather believe we are overstating things, that it's not as big a problem, that we don't have to worry about it that much. Like you said, he is really worried about offending people that are peace-loving Muslims, you know, who belong to the religion of Islam instead of calling them the extremists. So I do think that part of this is just him not wanting to admit it. And then maybe, he really legitimately was surprised. He didn't know that those terrorists could gather up and overtake a major city in Syria. Maybe he didn't think that they were that serious. But he certainly has learned that they are.

GUILFOYLE: Certainly found out it the hard way. All right. Juan, what do you make of this situation?

JUAN WILLIAMS, CO-HOST: Well, I just want to have a touchdown near reality some place in this conversation.


WILLIAMS: Because what Obama said to in CNN was, we're flawed, we make mistakes, we're human beings. But did we make the best decisions with the best information available? And he believes that he did. And what that best decision was to say that American intelligence did not give enough credit to what he was calling the JV and has been much mocked at this table and elsewhere on Fox. But the reality is -- and he points this out in the interview for those of you who want to read the transcript. He says look, there was no way to anticipate that the prime minister would pursue such a sectarian agenda that would absolutely alienate the Sunni Muslims and then drive them towards that al-Qaeda. Secondly, he had no way of knowing what was going to go on with Bashar al-Assad, the brutal dictator in Syria. And of course, we could talk about red lines and all the rest.

BOLLING: Why don't you?


WILLIAMS: I'm not. You are ignoring reality.

BOLLING: You are ignoring the fact they said if they cross the red line...


WILLIAMS: That's not the period he is talking about.

BOLLING: OK. Got you.

WILLIAMS: And finally, he talks about something Greg talks about every day, which is the propagation of terrorist agendas on social media. Again, Obama is simply saying, these were not elements in place at the time, Eric. At the time he is talking about...


WILLIAMS: One last point, everybody at the table says oh, but President Bush told him. President Bush told him. What President Bush told him was, he didn't want to withdraw the troops at the end. He said, you know what, this is going to open the doors. You heard in the sound. But what President Obama said was two things. One is -- by the way, General Petraeus -- everybody loves General Petraeus. He said there's no guarantee we would have had added leverage by having 10,000 Americans in harm's way on the ground at that time. And what President Obama said was, unless we can get a deal from them that protects for rights of our troops, doesn't subject them to being prosecuted, trialed by Iraqi courts, we're not going to play this game. And there was no guarantee it would have stopped al- Qaeda.

BOLLING: Can we start with the failure at Benghazi? Can we start with the failure at removing Gaddafi? Can we start with failures throughout the Middle East of removing people who you may not agreed their ideology, you may call them dictators, but in the absence of that, when you bring in these factions al-Qaeda, these factions of radical Islam that are going to fight for power, we're left with a more dangerous Middle East every single time.


GUILFOYLE: It has been destabilized.

WILLIAMS: Are you talking to me or you're talking to George W. Bush?


WILLIAMS: George Bush took out Hussein?

BOLLING: I'm not defending what George Bush did. In the last eight years, name one country that you feel is safer and we're able to have a better relationship with now than we did prior to Barack Obama, besides Iran and Cuba.


WILLIAMS: I think that Israel, our primary ally in the Middle East, is safer today...

BOLLING: You do?


BOLLING: You could be the only person in this region.

GUILFOYLE: Netanyahu wouldn't agree with you.


BOLLING: How about in the world? The world said this is a good deal to stop them from having nuclear weapons. How about the people coming in to Trump's own administration?

GUILFOYLE: You are speaking on behalf of Israel. I'm so sorry to tell you that Netanyahu completely disagrees with you. He knew that was a bad deal. It did not make Israel one of our key allies safer. It compromised our relationship with them. It compromised security and stability in the Middle East.


BOLLING: There aren't any countries that are safer. We have a better relation with.

WILLIAMS: I tell you what, the United States of America and our military young men and women who had to be on the ground, they are safer, they're not in harm's way.

BOLLING: Like I said, I will wait.

GUTFELD: One thing, I know we are going after President Obama, condemning him for abandoning the red line, which led to the migration disaster, which led to an increased worldwide ISIS threat. He chose the path that isn't much different than what we're hearing now, which is nonintervention. There are few people at this table by the way who are saying don't do anything on Syria either. So you can't say to him, he screwed up by not backing up the red line because there were a lot of other people that felt that way. The longer term thing is how are we going to reconcile with a belief system that disrespects the idea of a secular solution? The only way to keep these religions from destroying each other is a secular answer. It ain't going to happen with Islam. That's the long-term fear that we have is lack of assimilation. And the problem with President Obama lastly is that he is the one that is conflating radical Islam with Islam. When you talk about the threat of radical Islam, or ISIS, or al-Qaeda, we're not talking about Muslims.


GUTFELD: We're talking about radical Islam. However, when it comes to him, he goes we're not tarnishing the entire religion.



KYLE: I totally agree with that, especially on the religion point. You were talking about earlier today that you could say the KKK, can say they are all for Christianity and they represent Christianity. We know they don't. I'm OK as a Christian, passionate about Christianity to say, yes, they are claiming that, but they're idiots. They don't represent me. I think that we need to do the same thing with radical Islam. It's OK with me. That's fine, Islam, Muslims, like we understand that there are peace loving people in those groups. But this is a different group. This is a hate group.

BOLLING: Along the same note, I think you are talking about me when you said going into Syria. I was against going into Syria, absolutely against it. I still am against us getting involved in Syria. However, it's either go or don't go. I'm behind you, president, if you go. We are all behind you or I'm behind you if you decide not to go. However, when you say, if you cross this red line, we're going to go and then they do and you don't...


GUILFOYLE: He doesn't back anything up. Guess what, president-elect Donald Trump isn't even in the White House yet, he makes a claim, he backs it up.


WILLIAMS: Why do you -- why did Congress say oh, don't go? They refused to authorize it, Republican majority Congress.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Juan, that's about enough.

Coming up, President-elect Trump's fight to keep American jobs in America escalates into a heated war of words with a union leader from Carrier. Details directly ahead.


BOLLING: Less than three hours away from president-elect Trump's third thank you tour rally in Des Moines, Iowa. Stay tuned to Fox News for his live remarks at 8:00 p.m. Eastern tonight.

Meantime, after announcing his deal with Carrier to keep jobs from going to Mexico, the president-elect is coming under fire. The union leader of the Indianapolis plant he visited last week publicly slammed Mr. Trump accusing him of lying about the number of jobs staying in Indiana. The president- elect lashed out at him with this tweet, Chuck Jones, who is the president of the United Steel Workers 1999 has done a terrible job representing workers. No wonder companies flee the country. Jones then responded this way.


CHUCK JONES, UNITED STEEL WORKERS LOCAL 1999: He got up there and, you know, talked about 1100 jobs remaining here in Indianapolis, which is a falsehood. He denied ever saying anything that he promised to keep the Carrier jobs in this country, which was a falsehood. So, you know, I was calling him out on some of the things that he was less than honest with.


BOLLING: Then the president-elect tweeted again. If United Steel Workers 1999 was any good, they would have kept those jobs in Indiana, spend more time working, less time talking. So, Juan, so this is all over, president- elect Trump saying that 1100 jobs are going to stay. And in fact, 1100 are going to stay, 800 will stay at the Carrier plant, 300 will stay in America, but not at the Carrier plant. Meanwhile, a United Steel Workers union head is complaining that jobs are staying. Why this petty fight?

WILLIAMS: I don't think he is complaining of the jobs are staying. In fact, he says great, the jobs are staying. His complaint is that, as I read it, he said that president-elect Trump came out there, you remember, and he said 1700 jobs have been saved because I made a call, I intervened, I am where the buck stops, and I don't want American companies thinking they can leave without any intervention. In fact, what we know it is about 500 jobs are going to stay. We know about...

BOLLING: It's 800.


WILLIAMS: I'm sorry, 500 are still going, about 700 to 800 are going to stay. Another bunch of jobs in Huntington, Indiana, controlled by United Technologies are also leaving. So what Chuck Jones is saying is it wasn't as big as what Donald Trump had advertised. He said as a result, I think he used kind of offensive language talking about the president-elect. But he said the man lied.

BOLLING: KG, I look at states like Indiana, like Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, with union workers, a lot of blue collar workers...


GUILFOYLE: And they voted for president-elect Trump. So that tells you sort of the proof is in the pudding. They were very responsive. They wanted to hear what he had to say. They believed he, in fact, will get the deals done. We have seen evidence of this before, like I said, he has even moved into the White House, because he is being a man of his word. He said, I understand, I hear you, the working men and women out there that feel you have been forgotten. We will answer the call. I will heed this and we will in fact jump into action. That's what we are seeing. And I think this has been really effective because now you will see other companies think twice. It works as a pre-emptive strike before they think about exporting jobs out of America and into Mexico and into other places, they will say, wait a second, hold on. And they're in those shareholder meetings. They are talking about what decisions they are going to make. And the voice will come up and say, wait a second, maybe we better not take these jobs off of American soil or put it in Mexico or some place else.

BOLLING: So say 800 jobs with the steel workers union guys, you said 1100, it's only 800. Hey, he saved 800 jobs.

GUTFELD: It's unseemly. It's a silly argument. I have to say this. I don't think companies should have to think about in a free market. If this is going to help your shareholders, you should be allowed to do what to do in a free market. For example, if Amazon is introducing supermarkets using artificial intelligence, that eliminates say baggers and checkers, should that company be 35 percent? Should you put 35 percent tariff because they are using technological progress? If you are using heavy duty excavating equipment that replaced 100 workers, should they be taxed? And instead, should you have 150 workers with spoons digging dirt instead because that employs all of them. This is not a long-term solution. We have to understand this. This is not a free market idea. This feels good temporarily. But it's going to run out. We have to be honest with America about that.

BOLLING: Part of the deal though -- people seem to forget this is that every state, every governor of every state does the same thing. They try to entice companies to come into the state by offering them tax breaks, by offering them the same things that might...

GUILFOYLE: Incentives.


BOLLING: Mike Pence and Donald Trump arranged for Carrier.

KYLE: Yeah. It's a good idea. And I think bottom-line is Donald Trump is trying to cut through BS, and say that people like Chuck Jones, you have had fun being the leader of the union and acting like you are God Almighty, but you are not. Let me show you how simple this is in saving jobs. And yeah, we can squabble about how many jobs, but the bottom-line is, more jobs were saved than left. And I think Chuck Jones is offensive. He didn't do that.


KYLE: And Donald Trump seems to have done it pretty simply.

GUILFOYLE: He didn't have effective leadership. So now, he wants to try and minimize it with his lucky Mickey Mouse mask. These guys aren't serving people.


BOLLING: The guy saved jobs. And this guy represents the jobs that were saved. And he is complaining it was 800 not 1100.

GUILFOYLE: He wants credit.


WILLIAMS: This was not an incentive. He is trying to retain jobs.


BOLLING: Mike Pence arranged an incentive for them to stay.


WILLIAMS: An incentive to bring jobs in.


WILLIAMS: So to Kimberly's point, if I am an employer and I hear that, hey, guess what, I'm leaving, send me some money, too.


WILLIAMS: This is what George said yesterday -- George Willis said this is the first step of socialism.


GUILFOYLE: It's also about reducing regulation and making a business friendly environment that's conducive to jobs on American soil.

BOLLING: Every company with the same deal that Carrier got, American jobs...


WILLIAMS: It will be the American taxpayer.

GUTFELD: Here is the perfect metaphor. OK, next time, you go to vacation in Mexico, 35 percent tax because you didn't go to Dorney Park in America.


GUILFOYLE: Same thing. Same thing. It is. You are going to Mexico on vacation and taking money out of this country.

GUILFOYLE: That's not true.


GUTFELD: What if I don't want to go? Then don't go.

WILLIAMS: You are a bad man.

GUTFELD: Your incentives are telling the truth.


GUTFELD: You need the incentives because the choice is wrong.

GUILFOYLE: Those are apples and oranges. The water park?



GUTFELD: The choice was right.

BOLLING: You say I'm going to Mexico on vacation. The state of Pennsylvania says, we have a special at Dorney Park, it could be really cheap.


GUTFELD: You are threatening a 35 percent tariff. That's what Donald Trump is doing. That's not incentive. That's a threat. That's a stick not a carrot.

GUILFOYLE: Those are two spots to vacation. One you go to get engaged. One you don't. I know I wouldn't go to Dorney Park to get...


GUTFELD: You are missing out.


GUTFELD: You lose the ring in the water theme park.

GUILFOYLE: There you go.

WILLIAMS: Republicans arguing this case here because right on Capitol Hill, Paul Ryan and Kevin McCarthy say we don't like it, we are not going to do it, Donald Trump.

Up next, global warming alarmists Al Gore and Leo DiCaprio visit Trump Tower as the president-elect taps a climate critic to head the EPA. What's Mr. Trump up to? Details when we return.


GUTFELD: Leo DiCaprio met with Donald Trump yesterday to talk clean energy, meaning anything that can't fuel Leo's jet. It raises this question: How did Leo get here from Cali? Did he ride in on a horizontal solar-powered windmill animated by unicorn flatulence?

KYLE: Yeah.

GUTFELD: I know. Leo gave Trump a copy of his climate flick, which has more holes in it than a peewee golf course. Yes, this is what we need: A jet-setting yacht-lounging actor telling us how to live. It's odd that Leo is in Trump Tower especially after who was there: the climate bigfoot himself, Al Gore. I thought the point of Trump was to reverse this pretentious parade of elitist planet propagandists?

So what's the deal? Perhaps welcoming these climate kooks to offset her dad's skepticism. Remember, climate change is the one arena where the scientific method -- the testing and modification of theories -- is actually scorned. Infected by political ideology, if you dare question climate models, your career is done. But it's not that climate change doesn't exist. It's the irrational action linked to climate models that's bad and Leo loves those models.

But wait. Donald Trump just picked fossil fuel ally Scott Pruitt to head the EPA. Nancy Pelosi says Pruitt must be blocked for the sake of our planet and our children. Bernie Sanders agrees. The left is flipping out. So it's a good choice.

Talk about a head fake. Somewhere Al Gore is fuming, which only creates more global warming.

So Taya, do you think Donald Trump was trolling Al Gore?

KYLE: No, I mean, look, I think that Donald Trump is smart to listen to theory and philosophy and pie-in-the-sky ideas and entertain the thoughts of the people who are his biggest critics. I think that's smart, and I think he should be able to handle criticism before he moves forward with something.

I also think he's extraordinarily smart to get Pruitt in there, because while some people think that it's a criticism to say that you're a friend of the fossil fuel industry, I differ on that. I've got a lot of friends in oil and gas. And you know what? They've been laying people off for a long time now under this administration.

And I'll tell you what else: they're some of the most generous people, with philanthropy beyond what we see across the rest of the country. And they haven't been able to give to charities while oil and gas has been hurting.

So I would argue that Pruitt is actually helping people today, and that's important. And I don't think that it's ruining the world. I think, like you said, it's fueling Leo's jet. I think he could get behind that. And I think that we need to appreciate that Pruitt can kind of see past some of the theory and philosophy and help people who need their jobs today, help put money back in the pockets of the people that are working hard for it. And -- and let Leo and Al Gore talk about it at Trump Tower and have coffee. That sounds fine.

GUTFELD: Yes. I love that he just nominated the guy who's suing the EPA.

BOLLING: Suing. The best part.

GUILFOYLE: Look at how excited.

BOLLING: As people who dislike the EPA and the regulations and the way it's stifling business, he's seen as a rock star in that world. And he is currently suing the EPA, the group that he will be heading soon. Which tells you there's going to be a lot of rolling back of regulation. And I think that's going to free up a lot of money for business.

GUILFOYLE: There should be.

BOLLING: And a lot of -- as it is -- some companies -- the water regulations alone--

GUTFELD: Are nuts.

BOLLING: -- for farmers are insane, what you can have be near it, how you have to -- if they just -- if they spend the first two years working on water rights, that would be a huge win for America, especially the growing industry.

GUTFELD: Juan? Is he going to get through?

WILLIAMS: It's going to be a hellish confirmation fight. This is a guy who, according to newspaper reports, literally took an industry lawyer's letter, changed the heading to the Oklahoma state, and sent it into the EPA as a complaint. So he has industry -- oil and gas industry officials writing complaints, and he backs them.

He put together Republican attorney generals -- attorneys general across the country to support the oil and gas industry.

And the one that I really -- like oh, my God -- he lost his case, luckily - - but he tried to get a change that would have allowed big companies to pollute the air near national parks. It was called the Regional Haze Law. He -- I mean, it's out of control. At some point you've got to say, you know, I don't know. By the way, I love this thing about Al Gore and Leo going. I think Trump plays with us every day. Like, the press is like a dog. Just go, go, go, get out of here.


GUILFOYLE: It's like cat and mouse.

GUTFELD: Kimberly--


GUTFELD: -- do you think that Donald's choices -- he's not interested in presenting a compromise at the start, so he comes with the strongest person there and just sees what happens.


GUTFELD: I mean, this guy is suing.

GUILFOYLE: This is his right. This is what the people wanted. They voted resoundingly for this kind of change. Because he is tired of all the regulations that are crippling this country. He is tired of this past administration's war on coal. He wants to put forward a strong idea and platform for energy independence in this country. So we are not sitting there held hostage by the Middle East, because we are dependent on their oil.

Why not? Why not go for this development here? Fracking and all the wonderful opportunities that we have in this country that have been sidelined by this administration for eight years, including the pipeline? So get it going.

WILLIAMS: Well, let me just say, we do frack in this country.

GUILFOYLE: Not enough.

WILLIAMS: And guess what?

GUTFELD: Let's frack more.

WILLIAMS: To your point, guess what? Oil prices are low.


WILLIAMS: We pay low amount of money at the gas pump.

GUILFOYLE: Please stop.

WILLIAMS: That's why -- that's why you are -- that's why your friends in oil and gas aren't building.

BOLLING: Juan, a $50 barrel of oil is not low, is not cheap.

All right. Porter's yelling at us.

GUTFELD: All right. Up next, President-elect Trump meeting with terror victims in Ohio. We could hear from him at any moment. We'll bring it to you. Stay tuned.


WILLIAMS: Only a month after winning the election, where he campaigned on the promise to be tough on terror, President-elect Donald Trump flew to Columbus, Ohio, where he met privately with some victims and first responders of last week's attack at Ohio State University.

You may recall a Somali refugee, who the FBI says was inspired by ISIS and al Qaeda, launched a car and knife attack, injuring 11 before a brave police officer shot him to death.

Mr. Trump delivered remarks after his visit there moments ago.


DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENT-ELECT OF THE UNITED STATES: Well, this is a great honor for me today. We're in a fantastic state that I love, Ohio. And we just saw the victims and the families. And we were really -- I mean, these were really brave people, amazing people.

The police and first responders were incredible, the job done in particular by one young gentleman was incredible. And I got to meet him. And he was very brave. The families have done so well to come through this so well. And so a lot of respect.

And of course, Senator John Glenn today, the passing, he was really -- to me, he was a great American hero. A truly great American hero. I met him on two separate occasions, liked him. Always liked him. But he was indeed an American hero.

So nice that you're here. And this was an honor for me to be here today.

Thank you all very much. Thank you.


WILLIAMS: Greg, you can say what you will about Donald Trump, but I thought the fact that he met in private with people who were victimized by this terror attack was a great show of discretion and restraint on his part.

GUTFELD: Well, two points. One, after a terror attack, no mention of Islamophobia, no mention of backlash, which is somewhat refreshing.

But I also get the impression -- and I'm learning this from President-elect Trump -- that he will never set foot in the White House unless he has to. He seems at ease on the move. He enjoys going places. And you can't say he hit the ground running, because he's never stopped. He's always on the move.

I think this is -- again, this is the first on-the-road president. He goes and just goes and goes.

GUILFOYLE: Because he's a doer. He doesn't, like, sit there and talk about ideas. He actually goes out and meets the people and sees the situation, assesses it, talks to them, shakes the hand of the man that was able to save the people at, you know, the Ohio State University. This is what leadership looks like.

WILLIAMS: Wait a second. Wait a second.

GUILFOYLE: The reason why it see seems so shocking is because we didn't see it in this past eight years, going directly to the source and taking it to the people.

WILLIAMS: Wow. Holy smokes.

GUILFOYLE: It's true.

WILLIAMS: You mean President Obama, President Bush didn't go to meet with victims of terror?

GUILFOYLE: I did not say anything about President Bush. I said the past eight years.

WILLIAMS: I think both presidents have done this regularly.

GUILFOYLE: There's plenty of times where President Obama did not go.

WILLIAMS: Let me just ask about, what is your take on what Greg had to say about no mention of Islamophobia, no mention of radical Islamic terror by Donald Trump?

KYLE: Well, I think this is the benefit of going out and meeting the people, to Kimberly's point. When you really get there and you talk to the first responders who handled it, you talk to the families that were affected by it, you can see the heaviness in Donald Trump as he's speaking.


KYLE: I feel like I can feel the breath that he's taking. He's deeply affected, as he should be. And that's the importance of a president who's on the go, like Greg said, to get out and meet the people.

Also, just talking to the first responders is something we haven't really seen as far as giving the police respect and thanking them for what they're doing. That's a refreshing change.

For a guy who you say he's hitting the ground running. Technically, he's not even on the ground yet. I mean, he's not president yet, and he's already doing these things. So I think, in some ways, that's very refreshing to see somebody that actually is feeling the pain of it. Because it gives me comfort to think he'll do more to prevent terror attacks. He's actually feeling the pain and talking to the first responders who have to deal with it.

WILLIAMS: So the other side of that question, Eric is, as Greg said, no mention of Islamophobia or radical terrorist jihad.

BOLLING: There was.

WILLIAMS: Oh, there was?

BOLLING: Not by Trump.

WILLIAMS: That's what I was talking about.

BOLLING: By OSU students, who said this terrorist, "Oh, it must be -- it could be a misunderstanding." And that this terrorist must have experienced so much racism, and it must have been so traumatic for him. And they're actually -- the OSU students were sympathizing--

GUILFOYLE: Terrorist sympathizers.

BOLLING: Yes, it's insane. But I think over time they're going to get -- probably get used to the fact that Donald Trump isn't going to be Barack Obama. It will fall on much--

WILLIAMS: Let me just quickly add -- quickly add, so the other side of this is, though, that some critics would say that Trump's visit -- no one died, et cetera -- stirs fears of Islamic terror, even though he didn't mention it. Is that fair in your mind?

GUILFOYLE: My goodness.

BOLLING: He went and patted the first responders on the back.

WILLIAMS: Stirring up this--

GUTFELD: If he didn't go, you would be criticizing him for not going.

WILLIAMS: Well, what -- President Obama is the one, I think, in Kimberly's mind.

GUILFOYLE: My point is, different opportunities. Whether it was officers that were slain in the line of duty or whether it was flood victims, there was times like, hello, hello, where is the president? You know, hitting the back nine. Just saying.

BOLLING: He did go to hurricane -- and the victims.

GUILFOYLE: One of them.

WILLIAMS: Wait, wait. We can't have this. You're not supposed to defend Obama. Stop it. Stop it.

BOLLING: Well, I wasn't really defending him.

GUILFOYLE: It wasn't a defense.

WILLIAMS: All right. Some people are upset that Donald Trump appointed military people to his cabinet. What's up with that? Details next.


KYLE: So far, President-elect Trump has tapped three retired generals to join his inner circle. General John Kelly to head up homeland security, General James Mattis for secretary of defense, Lieutenant General Mike Flynn as national security adviser.

But some Democrats and members of the mainstream media claim there may be too much military influence in Mr. Trump's new administration. Retired four-star Army general Jack Keane disagrees.


GEN. JACK KEANE (RET.), U.S. ARMY: If the concern is that these generals somehow are going to push the country toward war, more than civilians would, that is -- that's nonsense.

Our history is, we force and demand our national leaders to exhaust all the options if they listen to us before they select a military force option.

When that force option is selected, the generals are insisting we want to see a set of clear objectives and an end state. They'll still go to war without it, but that is what they -- they insist on. So I don't see militarizing the national security function as being anything that's dangerous to this country. Quite the contrary.


KYLE: Kimberly, what do you think about general--

GUILFOYLE: I agree with General Jack Keane's comments, as I most often do, because they make sense. He is a smart, learned man. He is a man who understands war. He understands how we need to get things done. And he understands the importance of having true leadership in positions like this of tremendous importance to national security.

Why wouldn't you want to put America's best, brightest, most devoted and patriotic to this country? Everyone always talks about whenever you can, hire a veteran, because they make fantastic employees. They are hard- working, focused, disciplined, loyal. They don't look to make excuses. They take charge and they have solutions. They don't, like, wallow in problems; they get it done. And they move on target. So why wouldn't you want them?

I love already the dream team with Flynn and K.T. MacFarland, as an example. Kelly's another fantastic pick, and I mean, everybody loves them some Mad Dog.

KYLE: Juan. Agree, disagree?

WILLIAMS: I don't want to live in a military junta. I don't have any desire for that. I mean, the fact is you went through, Taya, you said John Kelly, general, homeland security; General James Mattis, defense. Don't forget, Mike Flynn at NSA, right? He was a general.

And then you go into some people that are really interesting. Remember, you've got someone under consideration, Navy Admiral Mike Rogers, to go to CIA; David Petraeus at secretary of state. And then of course, don't forget Mike Pompeii, who is going to go to CIA, went to West Point. And Steve Bannon, who's in there, was a former naval officer.

GUILFOYLE: Oh, my God.

WILLIAMS: Wait a second.

BOLLING: You're grasping for straws.

WILLIAMS: No, I'm not.

GUILFOYLE: He's digging deep.

WILLIAMS: I'm just telling you--

BOLLING: Bannon's former Navy experience?

WILLIAMS: I'm just telling you--

GUILFOYLE: This is too militarized.

WILLIAMS: Trump -- Trump has no military experience. I'll give you that. I will tell you this--

BOLLING: What military experience did Obama have?

GUILFOYLE: No, no, no. Juan -- Juan, be careful.

WILLIAMS: It's not Obama-Trump. This is President-elect Trump. But I will say this.

GUILFOYLE: Trump went to military academy. Be careful, Juan.

WILLIAMS: But the point is civilian control is so key to who we are as an American people. I think it's very important.

BOLLING: Can I just throw in here I'm extremely excited about this whole cabinet so far.


BOLLING: It's a very, very conservative cabinet. You look back, and you look over the years, even beyond Ronald Reagan, this is more conservative. You have generals. You have Pruitt, who will roll back the EPA. You have business titans who are heading up the economic development team. I think this is a conservative -- if you're a conservative, you've got to love this cabinet so far.

KYLE: Greg.

GUTFELD: Saying that you have too many generals is like saying you have too many adults. Because there are two assumptions about the military. They're disciplined; they believe in the chain of command.


GUTFELD: And there's no patience for ideas that aren't rooted in facts.

The false assumption, the reason why people are talking about it's scary, is that a warrior is intrinsically war-like. That's not true. The least bellicose are almost uniformly men in uniform, because they are saddled with unerasable memories of death and destruction. They have lost family members.

GUILFOYLE: Like General Kelly, lost his son.

GUTFELD: Yes. Exactly. So they -- they know -- they value life more than a pacifist.

KYLE: I agree. One More Thing is up next.


GUILFOYLE: It's time now for "One More Thing" -- Juan.

WILLIAMS: America lost a hero today. Astronaut, Senator, John Glenn passed at age 95.

One of the original magnificent seven astronauts, Glenn captured our attention. The world obsessed about him in 1962. The whole world was holding its breath as we waited to see if John Glenn would successfully orbit the globe and return to Earth. Which he did three times in five hours.

And he served our country before that, dropping out of college to enlist in the Army Air Corps, fly more than 60 missions in the Korean War. In 1974, he won a Senate bid in D.C. for four terms and then unsuccessfully ran for president.

But he kept us on our toes. In 1998, at age 77, John Glenn became the oldest person in space.


WILLIAMS: That's amazing. God bless him.

BOLLING: What a hero.

GUILFOYLE: What a phenomenal human being.

All right. So Greg, what do you have?

GUTFELD: I have some -- I think I have this.


GUTFELD: Dana Perino news.


GUTFELD: Tonight in Dana Perino news, we go to Josh Earnest, who fields a question today about Dana Perino.


JOSH EARNEST, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: She was certainly more than an honest broker. She was somebody who was determined to try to help us understand exactly what the job required and what resources were available to us to do that job as well as we possibly could. And so that's why, you know, a lot of us have enduring respect for Dana and the way that she did her job. And it's been fun having her around here today.


GUTFELD: See, I should have noted that she was there earlier that day. It sounded like something happened to her. But she was just visiting.

GUILFOYLE: She's -- she's alive and doing well.

GUTFELD: She's doing well. It sounded like something happened.

GUILFOYLE: All right. Dana Perino.

OK. Now it's going to be my turn. So in other news, Colin Kaepernick, does he have you down? Well, standing ovation for this admiral. U.S. Navy admiral received ovation for calling out Colin Kaepernick at an event commemorating the 75th anniversary of Pearl Harbor. U.S. Pacific command commander, Admiral Harry B. Harris Jr. took a swipe at the 49er quarterback for refusing to stand during the national anthem. Take a listen.


HARRY B. HARRIS JR., U.S. PACIFIC COMMAND COMMANDER: You can bet that the men and women that we honor today and those who died that fateful morning 75 years ago never took a knee and never failed to stand whenever they heard our national anthem being played.


GUILFOYLE: All right. And there you go. So that comment brought the crowd to tremendous applause, thunderous applause and a standing ovation. Respect the flag in this country and the anthem, all of it.


BOLLING: I have a great idea for Colin Kaepernick. He should take a cue from Shaquille O'Neal. Watch.


SHAQUILLE O'NEAL, FORMER PROFESSIONAL BASKETBALL PLAYER: Especially when I was growing up, the relations between police and people were very close. Somehow, we're starting to expand a little bit. We just need to -- just need to bring it back. You know, I really love and respect police. They have a tough job. They do a lot for our community. We just have to, you know, keep it tight.


BOLLING: So he's now -- Shaquille O'Neal is now a reserve police officer in South Florida. And what a great way for Colin Kaepernick, if he wants to continue to take a knee because the country is oppressing African- Americans, why don't you ride with a cop for once? Maybe just one or two days and see if you change your mind.

GUILFOYLE: Exactly. I love it.

What do you have for us?

KYLE: It's great advice, Eric, by the way.

Yes, so to the season, and I'll just tag onto what Shaquille is saying about appreciating our first responders. At the Chris Kyle Frog Foundation, our mission is to honor God and country by serving the marriages of those who serve. The reason that we do that is because in the Bible it says that you put God first, marriage second, kids third, and in doing that the whole family thrives.

So I want to take this opportunity to thank all the people who are out there serving and fighting and their spouses and families for doing it with them. We know that all of the people who serve could have done any number of things in this life. They chose to sign up, give their lives for this country for very little pay and very little appreciation. So God bless you and thank you for serving.

GUILFOYLE: All right. "Special Report" is next.

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